Cable, just prefer mechanical cause I don't want to introduce charging to an activity I do to escape the technological world we live in ... Plus there's something almost romantic to a mechanical bike IMO
Cable just because I like the click. X01 on my Supercaliber and I love it. I have Red and Force AXS on my road and cross bikes. So ik how nice they are and I certainly love the 11 speed mechanical of CX1. But on the mtb, mechanical all the way.
Nice groupset, but... I was thinking in upgrade my GX 1x11 to the latest mechanical SRAM GX 1x12 mechnical Lunar groupset, until I realized that for the price of the XD cassette alone I could buy the Shimano SLX cassette, XT shifter and derailleur and the Microspline freehub. Good luck to SRAM in their princing strategy. I'm not buying at these prices.
We'd like to know where you've seen all of that for less than a GX cassette! an SLX shifter, XT derailleur and shifter and a replacement freehub for less than £130 is impressive
I Live in Brazil and the cheapest GX Cassette I can find local or abroad is US$ 180,00, and for that money I bought the XT RD and shifter for US$100,7, the SLX cassette for US$65,00 and the freehub went for US$63,50, mostly in Aliexpress. Now that I made the math, turned up over 50 bucks off the GX cassette I mentioned, and I would have to buy the XD freehub anyway. Their lack of a cheaper XD Cassette is the main reason what drove me off from remaining on the SRAM ecosystem. The other small one is the 52 tooth jump looks horrible.
I'd be one of those more-money-than-skill buyers that would jump at this upgrade, and my XC bike *is* built with an UDH, but I'll be sticking with GX Eagle AXS due to the wider compatibility. I *already know* how fast that shifts, and how to modulate my pedaling to sync with it, I don't need an electric brain making me wait for my shift point.
I understand the derailleur can't work with old cassete and chain, but what about the crankset, why does it need to be replaced too? Do the teeth have a different spacing? I just got the old GX AXS and I'm pretty happy with it, just worried about durability, which I can see the new one looks a lot more robust, but the price (of the whole group) is at a tough point. I understand there's no competition for this type of product but they would truly take the whole market if the price was more reasonable.
I believe the rollers on the chain are larger, and the chainline is a few MM different. I think you could get away with using old cranks but you would definitely need to use a T-Type compatible chainring.
it's all relative of course, compared to some things, lots of bicycle components are not cheap, but when this performs as well as something costing 3x the price in the case of XX SL, this seems great value when the only real downside is extra weight
Hard to argue with that, as previous GX AXS can be found very cheaply now. Performance wise, this has the edge, but it's very cool to have the choice; save a bit and get a lot of the same performance from an older package, or spend a bit more to get ever better performance! win win in our books!
@@smashlee6181 maybe i'm too gullible but i watched another video presenting it and he did a much better job at selling it and explaining the big improvements. might become a gamechanger
Dec 2023 and it’s getting harder to argue that the last gen is better value. The GX AXS upgrade kit with shifter, rd, battery/charger went down to $400 USD and now hovering back around $500-600 USD. While the GX Transmission full group is $1100 USD. But it includes chain/cassette/crankset on top of the new features.
Unfortunately not, and its not just the flat top chain that stops you. The new cassette is 2.5mm further outboard, and with no adjustment screws on the derailleur you can't the new derailleur to work with the old cassette, it just won't move far enough. What we would be interested to try is the new cassette with the old derailleur... No idea if it would work, so there's a challenge people of the internet, find out for us!
@@bikeradarWith the ebike groupset they *did* manage to ship the ugliest chain guard known to mankind 😂 I'm running mine without. Glad they gave us the choice to change later on!
We would say it comes down to preference, in terms of actual shifting speed, older AXS may have the edge going from one extreme of the cassette to the other, but comparing shifting under load, Transmission is a good step forward. But you can still buy the old stuff so whatever your preference, you have your cake and eat it!
Even taking this out of the equation, we struggle to see the downside to UDH, it makes life easier for consumers and shops and you can run pretty much any drivetrain you like
@@bikeradar they are working clearly. We need dampers, not friction clutches. Dampers can be turned for speed of input, slow gear changes allow movement and anything rapid it will stay locked
My 30 year old 7speed with rusty cables shifts better than this wireless battery crap. It's a solution to a problem created by a solution looking for a problem aka 12speed skinny cassettes.
Taking money out of the equation, would you pick a cable or wireless groupset?
Wireless. I really hate dealing with cables
Cable, just prefer mechanical cause I don't want to introduce charging to an activity I do to escape the technological world we live in ... Plus there's something almost romantic to a mechanical bike IMO
Cable just because I like the click. X01 on my Supercaliber and I love it. I have Red and Force AXS on my road and cross bikes. So ik how nice they are and I certainly love the 11 speed mechanical of CX1. But on the mtb, mechanical all the way.
Wireless!
Wirless. I know it sound sketchy to some, but the tech is there.
Did anyone else watch this video and get more hyped for that Marin bike rather than the drive train? That looks snappy and fun.
It is both of those things, stay tuned for more soon!
I’m looking to upgrade some parts on my bike and this looks like it’ll make a big difference. Great review
A must for my Orbea Oiz M20 TR 2021 next time my drivetrain needs service
Would be a nice upgrade!
Nice groupset, but...
I was thinking in upgrade my GX 1x11 to the latest mechanical SRAM GX 1x12 mechnical Lunar groupset, until I realized that for the price of the XD cassette alone I could buy the Shimano SLX cassette, XT shifter and derailleur and the Microspline freehub.
Good luck to SRAM in their princing strategy. I'm not buying at these prices.
Ok, you've got me there. The prices are extremely high. But I guess if that's the hold up, then you don't ride as much as I do.
We'd like to know where you've seen all of that for less than a GX cassette! an SLX shifter, XT derailleur and shifter and a replacement freehub for less than £130 is impressive
I Live in Brazil and the cheapest GX Cassette I can find local or abroad is US$ 180,00, and for that money I bought the XT RD and shifter for US$100,7, the SLX cassette for US$65,00 and the freehub went for US$63,50, mostly in Aliexpress.
Now that I made the math, turned up over 50 bucks off the GX cassette I mentioned, and I would have to buy the XD freehub anyway.
Their lack of a cheaper XD Cassette is the main reason what drove me off from remaining on the SRAM ecosystem. The other small one is the 52 tooth jump looks horrible.
Just got this for £679 in the sale so very happy with it for the money
I'd be one of those more-money-than-skill buyers that would jump at this upgrade, and my XC bike *is* built with an UDH, but I'll be sticking with GX Eagle AXS due to the wider compatibility. I *already know* how fast that shifts, and how to modulate my pedaling to sync with it, I don't need an electric brain making me wait for my shift point.
I'll keep my 2018 GX
And that's what's great, you can still buy that if you want it, or you can buy this!
which rift zone is this? looking for the cheapest full suspension bike to try this sram transmission.
I understand the derailleur can't work with old cassete and chain, but what about the crankset, why does it need to be replaced too? Do the teeth have a different spacing?
I just got the old GX AXS and I'm pretty happy with it, just worried about durability, which I can see the new one looks a lot more robust, but the price (of the whole group) is at a tough point. I understand there's no competition for this type of product but they would truly take the whole market if the price was more reasonable.
I believe the rollers on the chain are larger, and the chainline is a few MM different. I think you could get away with using old cranks but you would definitely need to use a T-Type compatible chainring.
"best value" is quite arguable here, when it costs as much as a decent hardtail (used to) costs.
Used to is a key point. Considering they haven't cost that for over 10 years.
it's all relative of course, compared to some things, lots of bicycle components are not cheap, but when this performs as well as something costing 3x the price in the case of XX SL, this seems great value when the only real downside is extra weight
$1800au is hardly value
What is the chain slap like on this model? Is the clutch stronger than the previous generation AXS GX or as strong as the current XX axs?
Chainslap is much, much better compared to older GX AXS and a match for the latest XX Transmission. It's very impressive!
the old gen is objectively better value
Hard to argue with that, as previous GX AXS can be found very cheaply now.
Performance wise, this has the edge, but it's very cool to have the choice; save a bit and get a lot of the same performance from an older package, or spend a bit more to get ever better performance! win win in our books!
the cost of innovation. the prices will probably come down eventually.
@@smashlee6181 maybe i'm too gullible but i watched another video presenting it and he did a much better job at selling it and explaining the big improvements. might become a gamechanger
Dec 2023 and it’s getting harder to argue that the last gen is better value. The GX AXS upgrade kit with shifter, rd, battery/charger went down to $400 USD and now hovering back around $500-600 USD. While the GX Transmission full group is $1100 USD. But it includes chain/cassette/crankset on top of the new features.
Could i just buy that shifter and derraileur and run with my GX cassette, cranks and chainring?
No because of the flat top chain. Just get the derailleur and shifter of the older style.
@@diehardbikes ok so the GX ASX upgrade kit. The only thing is that it would suck if you want to ride your bike and forgot to load the battery 🙄
Unfortunately not, and its not just the flat top chain that stops you. The new cassette is 2.5mm further outboard, and with no adjustment screws on the derailleur you can't the new derailleur to work with the old cassette, it just won't move far enough.
What we would be interested to try is the new cassette with the old derailleur... No idea if it would work, so there's a challenge people of the internet, find out for us!
This work on a Rockhopper? Have done some searching, no clear answer.
If you have UDH hanger it will work
i have a 2022 altitude and the battery location means i cant use the GX have to go XO oh well what a shame off for a bank loan
Is it flood proof lol
Wow. Those cranks are freaking ugly.
I dont agree. I've seen much uglier
They're a bit plainer than others, but not ugly and look good in the flesh!
@@bikeradarWith the ebike groupset they *did* manage to ship the ugliest chain guard known to mankind 😂 I'm running mine without. Glad they gave us the choice to change later on!
Another expensive joke?? How much bigger is it from 12sc mechanical? Which is already way to big from 11s ...
the previous gen AXS is so much better.
My personal opinion is that Sram messed up on pricing, and then also not making it compatible with the current cassettes.
We would say it comes down to preference, in terms of actual shifting speed, older AXS may have the edge going from one extreme of the cassette to the other, but comparing shifting under load, Transmission is a good step forward.
But you can still buy the old stuff so whatever your preference, you have your cake and eat it!
bad move with UDH ...
How so?
Even taking this out of the equation, we struggle to see the downside to UDH, it makes life easier for consumers and shops and you can run pretty much any drivetrain you like
I still Hate Sram.
I think if you hate any manufacturer of groupset then you havent been riding enough.
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Sram is a sham
So is Shimano a shamen?
3:18 clutch less? $1100 for that? Get real
No it definitely has a clutch
This actually has two clutches, the overload clutch in the gear box and the clutch for the pulley cage, just like previous gen AXS derailleurs
@@bikeradar they are working clearly. We need dampers, not friction clutches. Dampers can be turned for speed of input, slow gear changes allow movement and anything rapid it will stay locked
My 30 year old 7speed with rusty cables shifts better than this wireless battery crap. It's a solution to a problem created by a solution looking for a problem aka 12speed skinny cassettes.
No it doesn’t 💀
Good information...but are man boobs a thing now?