I rode my “old” AXS yesterday and shifted under load numerous times. This product release, is so funny, reviewers are pretending the old Axs can barely shift at all. Sure there may be improvements, but Axs is still spectacular in all conditions.
I totally agreed, overwhelm by all of this reviews, I rode mi bike today and was wondering what they mean my axs shift well underload, is not comparable to shimano but it does the job.
Yeah my SLX drivetrain works flawlessly and I don't get how people suddenly say it's bad. Especially the "shifting under load" thing. Everybody was like "wow Shimano hyperglide+ so great to shift under load" and suddenly they're pretending it can't even shift on a bike stand xD
Great video! Thx! 👍 Most detailed and info loaded about the new drivetrain. You even did a clip about hitting the derailleur on a rock while cornering. 👍👍
Thanks for watching and for the feedback! Mick spent a good portion of a photoshoot repeatedly smacking the derailleur on that rock - he said it sounded absolutely horrible, but it was a perfect way to test out its strength! [Wil]
I've gotten Sram XO1 on all my new bikes since 2011, they have always shifted under load, lighter, easy enough to adjust, simpler is better for me, I'll keep my XO1 stuff on my sub 22 pound Epic EVO, weight is something that matters when your climbing up hill after hill in your late 70's, you can have all the Green Tricknology.. Happy Trails ;) !!!
I'm genuinely looking forward to getting this. I'll be saving up...yes it's pricey, but this sport never was cheap to begin with. From all the reviews and tests done by reviewers; the absence of all the adjustment screws, the robustness of the derailleur, the crisp shifting and shifting under full load, to me it's worth the price... you're paying for peace of mind while out on the trails. I think SRAM has really raised the bar.
SRAM EAGLE XO transmission is incredible... i am coming from old school cable derailleur so perhaps i am more impressed... Quiet, precise, and shifts when you need it most.
5:25 wait how is that different to a cable actuated derailleur? If a conventional deraileur breaks here, its because the metal bends, which is why the hanger was there in the first place. If the same situation happens, this deraileur has to take the impact which requires you to make it stronger/heavier
One thing I have noticed is that after extended time racing on the XXSL cassette, the teeth that match up with the shifting ramps are super worn down. Only been on it for 6 months but it is noticeably destroyed. Maybe it is the aluminum instead of steel plate?
…if there is a deficiency in the facing of the inner portion of the frame dropout where it interfaces with the cassette and integrated hanger, there will be alignment issues leading to poor shifting…at least with a traditional hanger you can adjust it.
You're absolutely right - the frame has to be manufactured to the tolerances required of the UDH design. Just like post mount brake tabs, pivot bearings, a BB shell or a head tube, if the frame has been built with poor tolerances, then there will be issues. [Wil]
Yes, which is more common than one might think. I worked at an LBS as a service manager and technician during the height of the pandemic for two years building entry to elite level bikes. Gently hand-filing post mounts to correct brake rub is something I could do without for a while.
Love my XX AXS transmission but the power meter seems unreliable as hell. I had some suspicious readings on a ride a month or two ago, but today had to re-zero it at least 4 times within 20 minutes. It gets out of spec really quickly. Just did the re-calibration process designed for a new bike installation and hoping it helps, but not holding my breath. 40Nm+ torque offset is concerning to say the least.
@@nicolapellegrino1072 sometimes it is necessary, we have convinced ourselves it is not necessary as up until recently most drivetrains couldn’t handle it. Shimano HG + and now SRAM Transmision have changed that.
It'll most likely be on just higher tier bike packages until they introduce a GX version. Until then the UDH absolutely will be on more and more bikes going forward since it's an open standard (very shrewd SRAM) and as long as you've got that you can buy the system later.
The UDH doubled as a captive nut. But now the derailleur is playing that role of hanger and captive nut. The axle comes through the non drive side and bolts into the captive nut.
Do you know if you HAVE to use the new eagle crankset/chainring with the new transmission? I wanted to know if you have to use the new chain and new cranks. I prefer to use my 5Dev cranks and oval chainring.
You could use your current 5Dev cranks, but you would need to ensure you had a 'T-Type' compatible chainring in the correct offset. This is because the new Flattop chain uses a 'T-Type' profile that is specific to the new T-Type cassette and chainring. [Wil]
It looks like Wolf Tooth is offering T-Type compatible chainrings; instagram.com/p/CqEaVbjyaCd/ I suspect plenty of others will be joining in soon too! [Wil]
I was told the new Sram GX Transmission can not be fit on my Dengfu E10 V2 Ebike. But it seems like it should work on any EMTB or MTB? But i am not a mechanic.
What happens with these "transmissions" if the battery dies while one is out on the trail? Can one carry a spare battery, and is the bike rideable when the battery is dead?
Carrying a spare AXS battery is a good idea if you're heading away for a week of riding and will be doing longer days out. They're lightweight and small, so it's an easy thing to put in with all your riding kit. We've never personally run out of juice, but then we charge the battery every 3-4 weeks when we're cleaning/servicing the bike. Because the Reverb AXS dropper uses the same battery, it's worth noting that you can swap batteries on the side of the trail if one of them runs out. Hope that helps! [Wil]
Indeed! As soon as it’s really whacked, or the derailleur rotates slightly where that rough texture eats into the a carbon frame, and will need to be screwed tighter, tolerances will go out the window!
Unfortunately not a lot. The new Controller Pods are backwards compatible, but otherwise all the moving gear stuff (derailleur, cassette, chain & chainring) isn't. For example, the new cassette sits 2.5mm outboard compared to a regular Eagle 12-speed cassette, so it may actually present physical clearance issues with some non-UDH dropouts. [Wil]
I may have missed it, but how much more durable is its wear life compared to the previous generation? I'm thinking e-bike, is it twice as good (200%) or more?
Great video. I got a question for you guys about the RS super deluxe ultimate coil RCT2 used on the Levo in the video. Is that a regular shaft or the new steel shaft? Thanks!
It was an easy install for Mick with his Gen 3 Levo. SRAM will be offering a variety of aftermarket T-Type chainrings in order to fit regular MTBs and e-MTBs, and we were able to source one of those to swap out with the stock chainring on the Levo. [Wil]
I’ve messed up two derailleurs this year as a result of my poor riding. Reckon it is worth the investment vs having to replace or realign one every month ?😂
Tbh I still like the good old fashioned derailleurs where they've to mounted on hangers. I like adjusting the L screws now and then...it's like a bond between you and your bike and by spending time with it like while adjusting your L screws, the bond gets stronger...
Best review on UA-cam! ❤ Thank you, guys! I'm left with two more questions: 1. Did you use the SRAM 104 BCD Chainring on the Levo? So chain line is fine with that? 2. According to some listings X0 derailleur should have the Magic Wheel as well. Can you confirm that? Thanks!
Yep, it's a SRAM T-Type 104 BCD chainring that Mick fitted to his Levo. I'm not 100% sure on the chainline but I'll check in with him to find out. I don't have the X0 derailleur to hand, but according to SRAM's specs it's only the XX and XX SL derailleurs that feature the Magic Wheel. I'd be surprised if you couldn't purchase those jockey wheels separately and upgrade the X0 mech with them though. [WIl]
Yes - SRAM is offering both 0mm and 3mm offset T-Type chainrings. If you had a wider SB crankset, I *think* you would need the 0mm offset option, though I'm not 100% sure on that. For reference, here's a Pivot Switchblade fitted with the new X0 groupset; instagram.com/p/CqDiOunvo4F/ [Wil]
The system seems impressive although the weakest point in the system will always break first. Before the weakest point was the derailleur hanger that cost change to replace. Now to me it seems like the weakest point of the system would be the pulleys cage, I wonder if the cost of the cage is lower/same/higher than the trusty hanger... Probably higher...it's the how to pull money from a product that's already been sold...time will tell✌
@LuLeBe Yep, most people will buy anything sugar-coated...one other issue I see with it is that a rider can cary a spare hanger in the kit, but cannot a pulley cage. It's been a while and I was right, have noticed reports of ripped of pulley cages.
I wouldn’t worry too much about no hanger there to protect your frame, the derailleur will be more expensive than most frames 😂 but seriously looks great, only downside looks to be cost (any idea on how much AUD?), small weight penalty, and only compatible with UDH frames, so for many this means you need to upgrade the frame not just the drivetrain.
@@peterfreeman3317 thanks I have looked I have a 2020 Scott spark ultimate with the newer SRAM axs but I can’t find if I have this universal hanger frame
Legacy tech: no derailleur hanger, horrible design, risk of bending the frame, destroying the derailleur Current tech: we added a derailleur hanger, frame is safe, derailleur protected, brilliant idea New tech: we removed the derailleur hanger, direct mount for derailleur, innovative design. Give me a break
Good question! All the new SRAM transmissions are optimised around a 55mm chainline, so all of the new cranksets and chainrings sit at 55mm, and the cassette is spaced out 2.5mm wider to match. All of those components will fit to an existing frame, whether it's been built around a 52mm or 55mm chainline. I guess your question might be around whether you can use your existing crankset with a 52mm chainline and the new SRAM transmission? Firstly, the T-Type profile of the Flattop chain requires a specific T-Type compatible chainring. SRAM is offering aftermarket chainrinngs that would allow you to do that, and I'm assuming there will be +3mm offset options that will allow you to use your existing 52mm crankset but match up the chainline for the new transmission. I'll double check that one for you! [Wil]
Only if it has a UDH, which seems to be most new mountain bikes these days. We've even started seeing some new gravel bikes using the UDH standard, which might indicate where SRAM is taking the direct-mount derailleur in the future. [Wil]
No sponsored content here folks! I can't speak for any of the other reviews online, but SRAM hasn't paid us to produce this video. I wouldn't be working for Flow if we were forced to churn out sponsored reviews. We have a lot of pride in our jobs, and I hope that dedication and experience comes across in our review content. Full disclaimer - SRAM sent us two of its new groupsets last year, so we didn't pay for them. That's the case with most of the bikes and gear that we review here at Flow. We've been testing these groupsets over the past six months, and this is our long-term review that draws from that experience. We certainly shared your scepticism regarding the lack of a derailleur hanger when we first starting riding the new transmission last year, but despite all the riding we've done, we're still yet to encounter a problem. The main downside with the new groupsets is cost - some of the components are very expensive, particularly when compared to say, a Shimano XT drivetrain. In terms of performance and durability however, we're yet to encounter any major flaws. It is properly impressive. Hope that helps explain, but by all means give us a hoy if you've got any questions! [Wil]
I don't like the delay when shifting really fase when you come out of a corner with no speed and then need to climb a hill against 20%.... sure if your name is Nino Shurter... but for us mortal riders it's not really feasible..or when you are riding an e-mtb for which clearly this groupset was developed for...
Pretty cool that sram can finally shift under load. Although shimano has had this for all eternity. With that price, the hype train will not be getting my $$$. I will wait 2 years for guiney pigs to sort out everything.
We're curious about that too! Many of the same technologies could be translated over to a mechanical system, and it sure would be interesting to see what a cable-operated direct mount mech would look like. Surely it would be smaller and lighter? That said, SRAM appears to be wholly committed to electronic groupsets from the GX/Rival level up, so perhaps we'll only see an entry-level mechanical groupset at the NX/SX level? [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeUA-cam it would be a shame if there were no cable operated counterparts, as I'm sure a lot of riders are not interested in electronics. Also I don't quite understand why there needs to be a new crankset. Maybe is we are lucky, they would release a cable operated GX with new cassette/chain and chainring.. Fingers crossed.
looks amazing but a strange time to release something so exy...bike shops cant get rid of bikes, and the second hand market is flooded with people trying to sell their pushies for dirt cheap.. time will tell.
Watched a few videos on this now and I can't believe all you guys stand on it to show its strength.. thats not a good way to show strength. I commented on a different video also but if you weigh 180lbs and clip a rock while going just 10mph that generates more than 14,000 lbs of force... but yeah stand on it to prove how strong it is. I want to see some reviews after some people have actually had strikes against it on rocks while riding. Not some gentle standing on it. Time will tell how good this actually is but im certainly not dumping that kinda money into actually testing it out.
I guess you didn't see the clip at 7:13 or hear us talk about it in the video? There's also a heap more detail in the full review regarding durability testing, setup, pricing, and our thoughts on a GX AXS version. You can check it out here if you get the chance: flowmountainbike.com/tests/sram-xx-eagle-axs-t-type-transmission-review/ [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeUA-cam no i didn't watch the whole thing. When someone stands on it and says see its strong that's time for me to roll me eyes and shut it off. How can I take anything seriously after that.
Paradigm shift you say ?? Ever heard of Pinion gearbox ? Well that's a paradigm shift , taking weight from the rear axle , and almost the same price of this stone age thing .. derailleur .. pfff
You know that in the transmission lifetime you'll have to replace chain chainring cassette and pulleys many times? You know how much these replacements cost? So you're going to spend a huge amount of money to have a derailleur that's still a derailleur but enormously expensive to maintain. Paradigm shifting? Lol I'll pass.
Lol, transmission pertains to cars. Sorry sram! For MTB and road cycling it is still drive train! How about the delay under load! For racing this is a big if. I still go to to my XTR drive train.
I rode my “old” AXS yesterday and shifted under load numerous times. This product release, is so funny, reviewers are pretending the old Axs can barely shift at all. Sure there may be improvements, but Axs is still spectacular in all conditions.
I totally agreed, overwhelm by all of this reviews, I rode mi bike today and was wondering what they mean my axs shift well underload, is not comparable to shimano but it does the job.
@@xovimac shimano doesn't shift well under load it sounds terrible
im hard for the elimination of limit screws
@@Lee-ic2ynNot if everything is aligned . My TREK custom build runs beautifully with a Shimano cassette and Connex Wipperman chain .
@@Lee-ic2ynAll groupsets make some noise under load including Transmission , Eagle , Linkglide , Cues and 8x1 Essa ( just tested ).
Just wanna thank you guys in Australia for all your reviews and vids so good to have genuine quality
Thank you kindly mate, we appreciate the feedback! [Wil]
As always, the best review when everyone is reviewing the same thing
Thanks Eric! We put a lot of time into testing the new groupset, so hopefully that comes across in the review. [Wil]
Thanks for the detailed review. This is by far the most informative review I've seen for this new transmission so far.
Thanks for watching and for the feedback Ryan, much appreciated! [Wil]
The new SRAM T type stuff looks amazing The Elephant in the room is that most of us will need a new frame to get it!
Prices are coming down at least
Really?
My bike came with a UDH, I didn't really that wasn't a common thing
UDH adaptors , I have recieved some at the beginning of this year (2024) .
What a superb technical presentation. Another brilliant videos guys👌
Thanks very much Iain, appreciate the feedback! [Wil]
Very cool stuff. My shimano xt 12 speed works just fine after 2 years and 1 chain and 1 gear cable change, so I guess I wont upgrade any time soon lol
Yeah my SLX drivetrain works flawlessly and I don't get how people suddenly say it's bad. Especially the "shifting under load" thing. Everybody was like "wow Shimano hyperglide+ so great to shift under load" and suddenly they're pretending it can't even shift on a bike stand xD
Great video! Thx! 👍 Most detailed and info loaded about the new drivetrain. You even did a clip about hitting the derailleur on a rock while cornering. 👍👍
Thanks for watching and for the feedback! Mick spent a good portion of a photoshoot repeatedly smacking the derailleur on that rock - he said it sounded absolutely horrible, but it was a perfect way to test out its strength! [Wil]
That SB looks sick. Love my Revel Ranger but that SB 120 looks killer also. Especially with the new SRAM
This was a very good review video. Kudos!
Best review out there! Although I won't be buying, probably ever.
I've gotten Sram XO1 on all my new bikes since 2011, they have always shifted under load, lighter, easy enough to adjust, simpler is better for me, I'll keep my XO1 stuff on my sub 22 pound Epic EVO, weight is something that matters when your climbing up hill after hill in your late 70's, you can have all the Green Tricknology.. Happy Trails ;) !!!
transmission is simpler. no hanger no limit screws. 20 grams doesn’t matter at 70 or 80 years old
I'm genuinely looking forward to getting this. I'll be saving up...yes it's pricey, but this sport never was cheap to begin with.
From all the reviews and tests done by reviewers; the absence of all the adjustment screws, the robustness of the derailleur, the crisp shifting and shifting under full load, to me it's worth the price... you're paying for peace of mind while out on the trails.
I think SRAM has really raised the bar.
Thank you so much for your review, excellence work!! Enjoy watching your video all time.
Thanks very much mate, appreciate your feedback! [Wil]
You blokes rock. Best reviews. Thanks Wil.
Thanks mate!
Bend your hanger in a race and your done. Happened to me a few times. This is such an amazing design.
SRAM EAGLE XO transmission is incredible... i am coming from old school cable derailleur so perhaps i am more impressed... Quiet, precise, and shifts when you need it most.
Looks really neat and integrated with the frame, nice!
5:25 wait how is that different to a cable actuated derailleur? If a conventional deraileur breaks here, its because the metal bends, which is why the hanger was there in the first place. If the same situation happens, this deraileur has to take the impact which requires you to make it stronger/heavier
Bullshit of course. A lot of bullshit.
One thing I have noticed is that after extended time racing on the XXSL cassette, the teeth that match up with the shifting ramps are super worn down. Only been on it for 6 months but it is noticeably destroyed. Maybe it is the aluminum instead of steel plate?
Gripshift would be great for electronic shifting. Slight twist forward or back to shift.
So the derailleur is ok after hits but how is your frame now it's taking the force instead of the hanger ?
Great review. Really would wait how Shimano would respond.👍
…if there is a deficiency in the facing of the inner portion of the frame dropout where it interfaces with the cassette and integrated hanger, there will be alignment issues leading to poor shifting…at least with a traditional hanger you can adjust it.
You're absolutely right - the frame has to be manufactured to the tolerances required of the UDH design. Just like post mount brake tabs, pivot bearings, a BB shell or a head tube, if the frame has been built with poor tolerances, then there will be issues. [Wil]
Yes, which is more common than one might think. I worked at an LBS as a service manager and technician during the height of the pandemic for two years building entry to elite level bikes. Gently hand-filing post mounts to correct brake rub is something I could do without for a while.
Ordered the Bosch xx version for my Voima😀 can’t wait to give it a go!👏🏻
How are you liking it? Nervous Im not going to like it on what I just ordered...
such great teaching!
I love the new SRAM setup with the UDI, I just would like to run it with my Race Face crank set.
amazing video.. def got me sold on it.. now just need a small loan LOL...Thanx for all the vids u do!!!!
Love my XX AXS transmission but the power meter seems unreliable as hell. I had some suspicious readings on a ride a month or two ago, but today had to re-zero it at least 4 times within 20 minutes. It gets out of spec really quickly. Just did the re-calibration process designed for a new bike installation and hoping it helps, but not holding my breath. 40Nm+ torque offset is concerning to say the least.
If I am Shimano, i am coming out with new mechanical direct mount derailleurs. I like the idea of direct mount but without the battery.
Its still just a derailleur… gearboxes would be a paradigm shift.
Still can’t shift under load on a gearbox though
@@benwildman6164 on some of them you can, the 3x3 for example.
@Ben Wildman if you need to shift under load simply you need to learn how to shift better because is absolutely not necessary.
@@nicolapellegrino1072 sometimes it is necessary, we have convinced ourselves it is not necessary as up until recently most drivetrains couldn’t handle it. Shimano HG + and now SRAM Transmision have changed that.
@@nicolapellegrino1072 exactly... Ride right
Why is everyone spamming this … Its too expensive for something that is meant for wear en tear
Does the gx transmission also have the jockey wheel feature being if something gets stuck in it that it will freely spin
No
Nice! I wonder how many bikes it will come out on though. Mostly interested in shifting under load! Not so much the wireless
Any udh dropout bike is compatible.
@@duodecaquark3186 oh awesome! Might be a bit more compatible than I thought. I have since looked up the price though 😬
@@brokenlegz Yep. Lol not for the average mountain biker for sure.
It'll most likely be on just higher tier bike packages until they introduce a GX version. Until then the UDH absolutely will be on more and more bikes going forward since it's an open standard (very shrewd SRAM) and as long as you've got that you can buy the system later.
I want a cable one!
If you remove the rear wheel, is the derailleur at risk of popping off without the axle to hold it in place?
Not at all - the derailleur will stay fixed to the dropout. [Wil]
The UDH doubled as a captive nut. But now the derailleur is playing that role of hanger and captive nut. The axle comes through the non drive side and bolts into the captive nut.
Thank you for this Return. Can you give me the reference of the T-Type on your Turbo Levo ? I think X0 is also compatible ? Sorry for my english ;)
Everyone is talking about the durability of the derailleur but how does the cassette last
Do you know if you HAVE to use the new eagle crankset/chainring with the new transmission? I wanted to know if you have to use the new chain and new cranks. I prefer to use my 5Dev cranks and oval chainring.
You could use your current 5Dev cranks, but you would need to ensure you had a 'T-Type' compatible chainring in the correct offset. This is because the new Flattop chain uses a 'T-Type' profile that is specific to the new T-Type cassette and chainring. [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeUA-cam good info! Know anyone who is selling or making a T-type chainring with the offset that uses the older 3 bolt mounting?
It looks like Wolf Tooth is offering T-Type compatible chainrings; instagram.com/p/CqEaVbjyaCd/
I suspect plenty of others will be joining in soon too!
[Wil]
So you don't need to buy the ebike specific cranks and chain ring?
I was told the new Sram GX Transmission can not be fit on my Dengfu E10 V2 Ebike. But it seems like it should work on any EMTB or MTB? But i am not a mechanic.
I want this transmission on a recumbent trike but i don't know which trike has an UDH....since they never mentioned it in the description...
Can you use an oval chainring on XX transmission?
What happens with these "transmissions" if the battery dies while one is out on the trail? Can one carry a spare battery, and is the bike rideable when the battery is dead?
Carrying a spare AXS battery is a good idea if you're heading away for a week of riding and will be doing longer days out. They're lightweight and small, so it's an easy thing to put in with all your riding kit.
We've never personally run out of juice, but then we charge the battery every 3-4 weeks when we're cleaning/servicing the bike.
Because the Reverb AXS dropper uses the same battery, it's worth noting that you can swap batteries on the side of the trail if one of them runs out.
Hope that helps!
[Wil]
Chordal resonance in the two smallest cogs of the rear cassette is ",STILL" a problem under load .
Now we need a frame alignment tool 😂 great ..
Indeed! As soon as it’s really whacked, or the derailleur rotates slightly where that rough texture eats into the a carbon frame, and will need to be screwed tighter, tolerances will go out the window!
@@deverenfogle3201 There's trim adjust in the mech, will fix your tolerances.
I have a non-udh frame, interested to know which parts of the new system could be used (in addition to the new control pods) if any?
Unfortunately not a lot. The new Controller Pods are backwards compatible, but otherwise all the moving gear stuff (derailleur, cassette, chain & chainring) isn't.
For example, the new cassette sits 2.5mm outboard compared to a regular Eagle 12-speed cassette, so it may actually present physical clearance issues with some non-UDH dropouts.
[Wil]
Great thorough review, thank you
Cheers mate, glad you enjoyed it! [Wil]
I may have missed it, but how much more durable is its wear life compared to the previous generation? I'm thinking e-bike, is it twice as good (200%) or more?
Great video. I got a question for you guys about the RS super deluxe ultimate coil RCT2 used on the Levo in the video. Is that a regular shaft or the new steel shaft? Thanks!
Cheers mate, appreciate the feedback! Not too sure on the SDU coil shock that Mick's running on his Levo, I'll see if I can find out for you! [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeUA-cam please if you have time. I heard SRAM is making a coil compatible with robust steel shaft for the Levo. Thanks!
Specialized 3rd generation turbo levo
I bought it. Is it possible to install the new transmission without any problems?
It was an easy install for Mick with his Gen 3 Levo. SRAM will be offering a variety of aftermarket T-Type chainrings in order to fit regular MTBs and e-MTBs, and we were able to source one of those to swap out with the stock chainring on the Levo. [Wil]
glowing review what if you crash
I’ve messed up two derailleurs this year as a result of my poor riding. Reckon it is worth the investment vs having to replace or realign one every month ?😂
Maybe if you wanna replace your rear triangle
Do you need a new hub if you want to upgrade to SRAM transmission?
No, it uses the same XD driver.
The Yeti SB 120 has the wrong rear shock. Why?
It's a custom build with the piggyback shock and a 140mm Pike. Pretty rad! [Wil]
Tbh I still like the good old fashioned derailleurs where they've to mounted on hangers. I like adjusting the L screws now and then...it's like a bond between you and your bike and by spending time with it like while adjusting your L screws, the bond gets stronger...
Also if you break something it'll be a cheap hanger and not a $300 derailleur.
Is it waterproof
Best review on UA-cam! ❤ Thank you, guys!
I'm left with two more questions:
1. Did you use the SRAM 104 BCD Chainring on the Levo? So chain line is fine with that?
2. According to some listings X0 derailleur should have the Magic Wheel as well. Can you confirm that?
Thanks!
Yep, it's a SRAM T-Type 104 BCD chainring that Mick fitted to his Levo. I'm not 100% sure on the chainline but I'll check in with him to find out.
I don't have the X0 derailleur to hand, but according to SRAM's specs it's only the XX and XX SL derailleurs that feature the Magic Wheel. I'd be surprised if you couldn't purchase those jockey wheels separately and upgrade the X0 mech with them though. [WIl]
Is this compatible with superboost frames?
Yes - SRAM is offering both 0mm and 3mm offset T-Type chainrings. If you had a wider SB crankset, I *think* you would need the 0mm offset option, though I'm not 100% sure on that. For reference, here's a Pivot Switchblade fitted with the new X0 groupset; instagram.com/p/CqDiOunvo4F/ [Wil]
The system seems impressive although the weakest point in the system will always break first. Before the weakest point was the derailleur hanger that cost change to replace.
Now to me it seems like the weakest point of the system would be the pulleys cage, I wonder if the cost of the cage is lower/same/higher than the trusty hanger...
Probably higher...it's the how to pull money from a product that's already been sold...time will tell✌
Yeah standard recipe. Make people want something, and slip in things that aren't immediately obvious but make them more money in the long run.
@LuLeBe Yep, most people will buy anything sugar-coated...one other issue I see with it is that a rider can cary a spare hanger in the kit, but cannot a pulley cage. It's been a while and I was right, have noticed reports of ripped of pulley cages.
I wouldn’t worry too much about no hanger there to protect your frame, the derailleur will be more expensive than most frames 😂 but seriously looks great, only downside looks to be cost (any idea on how much AUD?), small weight penalty, and only compatible with UDH frames, so for many this means you need to upgrade the frame not just the drivetrain.
$2600 for the XO
How can you find out if you bike is compatible?
There is a website that shows all bikes by brand that have UHD, I’d assume more will show up in 2024.
@@peterfreeman3317 thanks I have looked I have a 2020 Scott spark ultimate with the newer SRAM axs but I can’t find if I have this universal hanger frame
@@damiienevo4053 Call Scott. My new Scott Spark RC frameset is UHD. Just ordered the XX SL thru my LCS.
Legacy tech: no derailleur hanger, horrible design, risk of bending the frame, destroying the derailleur
Current tech: we added a derailleur hanger, frame is safe, derailleur protected, brilliant idea
New tech: we removed the derailleur hanger, direct mount for derailleur, innovative design.
Give me a break
ha ha ha😂
does it work with 52mm chainline?
Good question! All the new SRAM transmissions are optimised around a 55mm chainline, so all of the new cranksets and chainrings sit at 55mm, and the cassette is spaced out 2.5mm wider to match.
All of those components will fit to an existing frame, whether it's been built around a 52mm or 55mm chainline.
I guess your question might be around whether you can use your existing crankset with a 52mm chainline and the new SRAM transmission?
Firstly, the T-Type profile of the Flattop chain requires a specific T-Type compatible chainring. SRAM is offering aftermarket chainrinngs that would allow you to do that, and I'm assuming there will be +3mm offset options that will allow you to use your existing 52mm crankset but match up the chainline for the new transmission. I'll double check that one for you! [Wil]
Will it fit every frame?
Only if it has a UDH, which seems to be most new mountain bikes these days. We've even started seeing some new gravel bikes using the UDH standard, which might indicate where SRAM is taking the direct-mount derailleur in the future. [Wil]
There has never been a shortage of companies labeling old technology as "revolutionary". Almost always those labels are thought up by ad companies.
i still love vintage Shimano
Who doesn't!
Looks like a sponsored commercial not a review.
@@mtbohana exactly
No sponsored content here folks!
I can't speak for any of the other reviews online, but SRAM hasn't paid us to produce this video. I wouldn't be working for Flow if we were forced to churn out sponsored reviews. We have a lot of pride in our jobs, and I hope that dedication and experience comes across in our review content.
Full disclaimer - SRAM sent us two of its new groupsets last year, so we didn't pay for them. That's the case with most of the bikes and gear that we review here at Flow. We've been testing these groupsets over the past six months, and this is our long-term review that draws from that experience.
We certainly shared your scepticism regarding the lack of a derailleur hanger when we first starting riding the new transmission last year, but despite all the riding we've done, we're still yet to encounter a problem.
The main downside with the new groupsets is cost - some of the components are very expensive, particularly when compared to say, a Shimano XT drivetrain. In terms of performance and durability however, we're yet to encounter any major flaws. It is properly impressive.
Hope that helps explain, but by all means give us a hoy if you've got any questions!
[Wil]
@@mtbohana i call sponsered sir!!
Drivetrain has never been something I see as holding me back or needing major advancements. But it is cool to see new stuff.
I don't like the delay when shifting really fase when you come out of a corner with no speed and then need to climb a hill against 20%.... sure if your name is Nino Shurter... but for us mortal riders it's not really feasible..or when you are riding an e-mtb for which clearly this groupset was developed for...
I'm actually impressed, probably not going to like the price though.
Pretty cool that sram can finally shift under load. Although shimano has had this for all eternity. With that price, the hype train will not be getting my $$$. I will wait 2 years for guiney pigs to sort out everything.
I hope SRAM makes a cable operated version of this new "transmission"
We're curious about that too! Many of the same technologies could be translated over to a mechanical system, and it sure would be interesting to see what a cable-operated direct mount mech would look like. Surely it would be smaller and lighter?
That said, SRAM appears to be wholly committed to electronic groupsets from the GX/Rival level up, so perhaps we'll only see an entry-level mechanical groupset at the NX/SX level?
[Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeUA-cam it would be a shame if there were no cable operated counterparts, as I'm sure a lot of riders are not interested in electronics. Also I don't quite understand why there needs to be a new crankset. Maybe is we are lucky, they would release a cable operated GX with new cassette/chain and chainring.. Fingers crossed.
Cannot wait to get a new bike with the SRAM Eagle
So it's not belt drive for ebikes
Imagine how much better it could have been if they didn’t add unnecessary weight to make it durable enough for motorbikes.
I want it
looks amazing but a strange time to release something so exy...bike shops cant get rid of bikes, and the second hand market is flooded with people trying to sell their pushies for dirt cheap.. time will tell.
Watched a few videos on this now and I can't believe all you guys stand on it to show its strength.. thats not a good way to show strength. I commented on a different video also but if you weigh 180lbs and clip a rock while going just 10mph that generates more than 14,000 lbs of force... but yeah stand on it to prove how strong it is. I want to see some reviews after some people have actually had strikes against it on rocks while riding. Not some gentle standing on it. Time will tell how good this actually is but im certainly not dumping that kinda money into actually testing it out.
I guess you didn't see the clip at 7:13 or hear us talk about it in the video?
There's also a heap more detail in the full review regarding durability testing, setup, pricing, and our thoughts on a GX AXS version. You can check it out here if you get the chance: flowmountainbike.com/tests/sram-xx-eagle-axs-t-type-transmission-review/ [Wil]
7:07
@@FlowMountainBikeUA-cam no i didn't watch the whole thing. When someone stands on it and says see its strong that's time for me to roll me eyes and shut it off. How can I take anything seriously after that.
I noticed the standing being done by every channel as well. Trying to justify the $1500+ for a groupset, I guess.
Might be best to watch the whole video before commenting
Shimano has had Shadow tech for years
it makes my gx axs looks like a tourney. 😬😬... then again, it is more than twice the price.
Must be rough as a sponsored xc racer having to give up almost a pound of weight compared to 11 speed for no gain.
Will , you are my look - alike , how ironic .
All nine reasons are trumped by the price.
These will only be found on new bikes; with a markup as their "premium" line.
😮
Give me Linkglide ten speed any day and I'll keep the change thanks 🤪
They went far with pricing.
Paradigm shift you say ?? Ever heard of Pinion gearbox ? Well that's a paradigm shift , taking weight from the rear axle , and almost the same price of this stone age thing .. derailleur .. pfff
Shimano boardroom today frantically trying to get around the parents
It's cool but don't want electronics on my bike will see in time tho 1600 worth na not yet
It's amazes me how these transmissions cost just as much, if not more, than car transmissions.🤦
Almost £2500 though....My whole bike cost that...Ha !
My car cost less than that 😳
[Wil]
If it works better on bikes with engines, better stick to my cable transmission
Hold my beer , I can make it fail and break like any other . It’s a good beginning .
You know that in the transmission lifetime you'll have to replace chain chainring cassette and pulleys many times? You know how much these replacements cost? So you're going to spend a huge amount of money to have a derailleur that's still a derailleur but enormously expensive to maintain. Paradigm shifting? Lol I'll pass.
Big deal. We want automatic shifting & IGH
Price is a paradigm shift...
This shifter looks like not finished prototype
Long Term review, 6 months and 300 miles 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
mini term hahaha
It's actually more when you measure in kilometres like the rest of the world 😉
Lol, transmission pertains to cars. Sorry sram! For MTB and road cycling it is still drive train! How about the delay under load! For racing this is a big if. I still go to to my XTR drive train.
…. And I starts at $1599 USD. Pffffft.