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as someone who grew up in Cleveland all of your "hot areas" are where all the douchebags hang out real Clevelanders wouldn't be caught dead in any of those areas
You didn't even mention the "emerald necklace". Cleveland has one of if not the best metropark systems in the country. Before moving here 25 years ago I lived in several different major cities and none compare to the Cleveland Metroparks.
I am born and raised Californian whose dad was from Cleveland. He moved to California because he didn't care for the harsh winters. However, we would visit often because his entire family still resides in greater Cleveland and I just loved it as a kid. Cedar Point, staying the summers with my cousins at Catawba island and swimming and boating on Lake Erie. A Christmas Story House. The four seasons are something I actually miss and the lower cost of living when compared to living in Southern California. Cleveland has definitely improved over the decades and we are seriously considering moving out of California because it is more affordable and a really nice place to live and raise a family.
Having lived in Northern California, the cost of living is really unbeatable in Cleveland. You also hit the nail on the head, between things to do, excellent schools, excellent activities for families, it's hard to beat the cost to value ratio. If you do wind up looking at moving here, feel free to reach out!
@@livinginClevelandOhio216 I grew up in Northern California, in Sacramento. We've been looking at houses up there too, since we are totally priced out from buying in San Diego but I still get sticker shock with what you get for $500K in Sacramento compared to greater Cleveland Metro, which is a steal!
Im from Cleveland but lived in California over a decade. La is like Cleveland in that its hard to get from point a to point b after a night out. There is alot in both cities but knowing the right people makes all the difference.
@@tsarina24honolulu87 I’m from California 2 hours north of LA and lived in Cleveland for 3 months in 2021. Although the housing is cheaper than California I just couldn’t stay. I respect those who do love it there in Ohio.
It's not bad. I like the world class amenities at a low cost of living. These days there's a job here for anyone that wants one. I like the lake and beach and natural beauty and the park system. They're all pretty high end.
I don't take advantage enough of living on lake Erie. I wish, like Chicago, they made the lake public for everyone, still, there are public spots and it's beautiful to see the water. Excellent metroparks as well!
I like the cold and the snow, it keeps people from the outside from wanting to move here. For me as a Clevelander the weather is only bad from December to February maybe a little bit of March. I don't want Cleveland to turn into places like Atlanta, or Nashville, with bad traffic and high cost of living.
Cleveland was once a manufacturing powerhouse. Its former titans of industry bestowed the city with assets that are still evident today. Our town has world class amenities that are still here today.
I grew up in Northern California. Sacramento actually. And we have been looking at houses up there because we are totally priced out of San Diego and I still have sticker shock! I have family up there too but Ohio seems so much nicer and my Ohio family keeps asking us when we are going to finally move out there! Decisions decisions but I will definitely consider looking you up!
@@patpat8727 The Cleveland orchestra, Playhouse Square, Art museum, Zoo, Emerald necklace and university circles certainly are....where are you located?
Nice! If you have more specific questions, feel free to shoot me an email or reach out: joel@gabelmangroup.com. Coming out with some more info soon I think you'll like!
I'd agree with all of what you said. I was born and raise there, but moved away for school and career to NY state (and in NYC for several years). Likely retiring back to Cleveland--west sider here! The MetroParks are a jewel, and the proximity to the lake is also a big plus. One the past five years or so, I've been re-discovering my hometown and am always pleasantly surprised (I grew up there in the 60's and 70's---so a LOT has changed).
Has anyone noticed the lake effect has moved east? Westside now gets only 1/3 snow what the eastside gets. West hardly got any snow this year....and temps are warmer in Cleveland. Climate change....I love it!
As a former Clevelander, this is a fair assessment. Many consider the Cleveland Orchestra to be the world's best. When they go to New York, they are lauded. Severance Hall is great. Blossom Music Center is great. Culture in general in Cleveland is great. It's a darn shame that they allowed the Salvador Dali Museum to move to Florida - it was unbelievably cool. However, if you are going to the Cleveland Clinic, you best make sure your insurance covers it. It's a great area, and I did not mind the snow, or rain. However, the constant gray skies close to the Lake are a real drag.
Cleveland isn't San Francisco or Chicago but is still a major Metro Area. It is the 32 largest metropolitan area and counting Akron the 17th largest csa in the country. Top 20 tv market so it may not be a Chicago or San Francisco but it considered a major Metro Area. Actually before the population loss it was larger the San Francisco. Having said all that good video.
Cleveland is a great city! I did want people to know if they were coming from larger cities, it's a different vibe. Restaurant choices late night are limited (after 10pm), and it's not comparable to NYC, Chicago, LA etc.... That said, find me a larger city with great homes < $350k incredible homes < $750k. Tradeoffs of course. :) Glad you liked the video!
@@livinginClevelandOhio216 Your right in what you are saying. Cleveland did have nearly 1 million people at one time it was top 10 in population. Now it is considered a medium size city. But it is still a major Metro Area which was my point. I looked up TV markets and Cleveland Akron was the 15th now 19th largest. No you can't compare Cleveland, Columbus or Cincinnati to larger cities like NY, Chicago or LA. But don't cut the Cleveland Area short. Wikipedia counts it as a Major Metro Area. Counting Akron the 17th largest csa population in the entire U.S. but I do understand your point of people coming from much larger cities. I worked in Cleveland in the 70's when Cleveland was a great industrial hub. The traffic at rush hour was bad. Cleveland doesn't have that kind of traffic anymore. It is an easy city to navigate. If people want to get away from the very large cities like NY. Chicago, LA. or even Houston where the traffic is ridiculous Cleveland is a good place if you can stand the winters lol.
I love it here. I moved from San Francisco. We live on Public Square downtown. So much to do. The museum is world class. We have so many great restaurants. Really sincere, friendly people!
@@livinginClevelandOhio216 It’s so much more than I ever imagined. I miss SF too, but I can always visit there. And living here, I can afford to do that.
Did you mention the excellent public transportation system. I worked full time in downtown Cleveland and got by for a whole year without a car.... and then bought a car cash.
My son lives downtown. Has not had a car in 3 years and has no plans to buy one. Walks, bikes, skateboard or RTA/Cleveland state line or health line. Easy to get around.
@@livinginClevelandOhio216 How easy or difficult is it w/ public transportation if you live further away from the downtown core? For example, I am thinking of moving to CLE area for work at either UH or CCF hospitals. Thinking of staying in Euclid or North Olmsted. I'm a native Californian. Never lived anywhere else. Just can't afford it anymore. :(
@@calpolyca Honestly - I don't often use public transportation; however, I'd check out this link: www.riderta.com/routes. Also, other people have replied it's fairly easy to get around, but feel free to reach out directly via phone: 216-232-5248 or email: joel@gabelmangroup.com if I can be of further help.
As far as healthcare and you are a veteran don’t forget the VA! As far as things to do don’t forget the very robust live theater 🎭 scene in Cleveland with Karamu, Ensemble, Doboma, Playhouse Square, Beck to name a few!
Enjoyed your video. I was born and raised in Cleveland and I miss some things like the food. I’m 80 so probably not going back but I’d also like to add people are friendlier there and lots going on especially during the summer. Nice that those older homes are still there. You should’ve also mentioned the mass transit. I worked in the downtown area in the 60s and would take the rapid each day. From East Cleveland to downtown 15 minutes. At that time not too many people drove there. Hope that’s the case now.
Cleveland and surrounding area is Truly a hidden gem. My $400k home in Westlake has taxes less than $5 k per year with great amenities, police, fire and hospitals. 20 min from downtown, 15 min from airport. The metro parks are awesome. Awesome restaurants in all the surrounding burbs as well as downtown. Winters are not as bad as people think. Have lived in many places in the USA and overseas and love it here.
@@GOPACKERSJT ouch!! Yeah, I hear N.O. Is pretty bad. I pay roughly $4400 a year for a $490k(ish) house. Still WAY cheaper than what we were paying in Massachusetts or New Hampshire. My friends tax is $27,000 a year for. $700k house in the lakes region. Insanity.
Places are "affordable" for a reason. The houses that are available for sale in Cleveland don't sell for much because there aren't enough people who make a lot of money to drive up the cost. In SF there are a lot of people who make a lot of money so the prices for the houses available for sale are driven up by the wealthier people bidding again each other.
There are some truth in that. But bigger picture, your money goes so much further here. You can get an absolutely gorgeous home in Orange, Beachwood, Westlake, Hudson and Solon for under $750k. 750k in San Francisco will buy you a dump. 250K will get you a garage in San Francisco. It will get you a three bed two bath home here. Trade offs for sure, but bang for buck it's hard to beat Cleveland.
Lifelong Clevelander...pretty accurate with one glaring omission. Do your research regarding crime. Frankly, in Cleveland itself crime is a huge problem. Most suburbs are very safe but just make sure to look before committing to buying. I've lived here over 50 years and have no regrets. Northeast Ohio is a good place to live.
Cleveland is a city that’s extremely rich in well-established culture, museums, sports, and restaurants. It’s an extremely diverse area, and the fact that it sits on the huge lake makes it really quite appealing. It really is one of those sleeper cities, I enjoy living here a lot, and the people overall are pretty nice. It’s also relatively affordable compared to what you’re seeing across the country. It has a lot to offer, I also like the four seasons including winter which is mandatory.
You should do my videos for me. :-) you hit the nail on the head. I was driving downtown, which I don't often do, and I was able to look at lake Erie on the drive and remember how lucky we are to have this resource that at least for me, I don't take nearly enough advantage of.
What about the abysmal crime stats? And so much of the city is decaying, abandoned. The cultural amenities are stellar, hands down. The architecture downtown is amazing.
@@thebigskyguy Cleveland proper has some crime in different areas for sure. Ohio City and Tremont are gentrifying but have been for years; yet they still have great restaurants in a useful vibe. Other parts of Cleveland proper, and East Cleveland are not places I advise families to live. Most of my content focuses on the suburbs. There are parts of Cleveland proper that are great and parts that are not great. The flats for example have some awesome condominiums and the west side market area has some awesome townhomes and a vibrant area but they are not great for families which is typically my focus audience. Cleveland isn't perfect, but The areas that are safer, combined with the amenities provides information for people to make a better decision if they're considering moving here, especially if they're looking at the suburbs. I will be coming out with a video on the next week or two answering the question, is Cleveland safe. As I'm sure you can imagine, parts are and parts aren't. Just like any other city. :-)
Don't forget our world class Cleveland Orchestra! Also, my daughter & son-in-law just moved here from LA & bought a great century home in Lakewood a couple blocks away from the lake cliff, & they love the area! Very walkable & cool nightlife.
Of course there's poverty and some decay, but the city is always changing. Battery Park, the flats, new developments coming in Beachwood and University Heights. In Chicago, San Francisco and other places I've lived or visited, there's poverty. Go to San Francisco in the Mission - tell me about the homeless. I don't feel Cleveland is worse than other cities when it comes to poverty. As for decay, I spend most of my time in the nicer parts of Cleveland. I'm not suggesting Cleveland is perfect, but it's hard to beat the cost of living, food scene, things to do, excellent schools and things to do around the area.
@@diettabarker6881 "There are some people who can't afford to live anywhere but in those areas. Those are the people I feel sorry for." Well then, get out there and do something to help them.
Taxes. Gheesh. My home is 2700sq ft golf course next street over and taxes are like 5k. I'm in lake county. No way you move in Cuyahoga subs bc the taxes are crazy!
Yeah, I mean don’t do it. I’m from Cleveland born and raised still stay. Here I will say is segregated everyone’s talking about Brecksville, and all those other house scars of the city that’s not Cleveland Cleveland is the inner cities. The heart of Cleveland is the east side yeah they’re coming in with stuff, but we don’t have any police that keeps the area safe really like that because they don’t really care plus Cleveland as a corrupt city he didn’t say nothing about that. He didn’t get into it about that. I think when he starts to do his history and see if that is still goes on you have a different opinion on another video.
Even though there is snow, you still get an actual winter in Cleveland. I live in Orlando, the rest of the country is getting this wonderful winter and we get 90F days in February.
Wow! That's hot! The weather here in Cleveland now (2.2023) is WEIRD. It snows one day 8" and then the next week it's 52 degrees. Maybe global warming?? Now it's raining, but when it does snow, it's beautiful (unless it's wet and freezing snow!). Thanks for checking out the video!
@@livinginClevelandOhio216 It's been dry too here, we usually don't get rain this time of year unless there's a cold front. All of the previous fronts have been so weak that there's been no rain associated with it. Like you said with the temperature fluctuations, that's what we get here too. It doesn't stay cold for more than 1-2 days it's cold then mild to warm again.
Weather definitely changed here. When I was a little kid in 1970's, blizzards almost every week. Now, west side hardly gets any snow. Temps are "warmer" too. Low temp as a kid -15F, now 0F.....I like it!
I appreciate this video. Currently living in California but the cost of living is starting to catch up to me. I have a relative lives in OH and I'm considering moving there. This help gives some perspective on the pros and cons. Thank you
I love California, it's just really expensive! Let me know if you have additional questions about Ohio by emailing me: joel@gabelmangroup.com. Thanks for the nice feedback!
Just don't move her expecting your house value to increase. While the rest of the country experiences ups and downs we here only experience the downs. I know an idiot who bought a house "cheap " at the time, now 31 years later its still worth the same........ So there is NO retiring for me. Work till I'm dead. Thanks NEOHIO.
As a former West sider from the W. 130th. Area near Brookpark Rd., who now lives in Fargo, N D. the one thing you should be warned about is the inept, yet overly aggressive Regional Income Tax Authority, commonly referred to as RITA. I've never had to go back and pay back taxes on corrected tax submissions, that were prepared by H R Block twice. But it wasn't H R Block screwing up, it was RITA who rejected the very changes, they told me to make. RITA is literally the reason I would never move back into that area.
First off the cotton mouth is REEEEEAL lmao Secondly I appreciate all the information. Gives a great perspective. However I wouldn't tell anyone from California the home prices that way Cleveland doesn't turn into the next Portland, OR.
I grew up East side suburbs and left in 2011. Been in Phoenix since then. Phoenix SUCKS. Traffic, too hot, nothing to do..... Looking to relocate back to something a little more rural, out in the country so to speak. Also, considering Cinci for a little more moderate climate.
I hear Phoenix is SUPER hot! Water is at a shortage and I hear they paint their front yards/cement pads green b/c it's to expensive to have real grass. Come back to Ohio!
I’m from California 2 hours north of LA where housing isn’t as expensive as up north or down south CA. Lived in Cleveland 3 months in 2021 and came back to CA. It wasn’t for me..at all but for those who do like it there in Ohio, I’m happy for you.
@@livinginClevelandOhio216 very true, home values are outrageous and people are moving to Texas and other states. I was born and raised here. All my family are here and I come from a huge family. Cleveland was just not for me. But…I did love seeing so many old beautiful homes and churches. I am grateful I got to see the Eastern part of the US. Went to PA a few times. Totally different.
@@tpthegreat3587 come back. :-) views aren't as nice as the ocean, but there's a lot to love. If you are serious, feel free to reach out if I could be of any help!.
@@tpthegreat3587 can’t blame you. I don’t much like SoCal. I very rarely go there. I’m in the San Joaquin Valley. Life is short. I wish you best and be able to live where you are most happy.
My mom applied for a job there in Cleveland, this a major help in the being informed. Hopefully this job pans out and we can get out of Arizona and the 110+ heat.
Gotta cover the parks! Cuyahoga Valley, Metroparks, Mentor Headlands, etc. Great City parks as well. Coe Lake in Berea, the whole Chagrin Falls Downtown, the various Parks downtown such as Public Square. Downtown is extremely walkable, and frankly beautiful in terms of architecture.
I’m from Puerto Rico and the only thing I’m concerned about it’s crime….. is it worst than Puerto Rico or is like normal?? I don’t know! I will be moving on July!
Pretty ironic that as a result of being the butt of so many jokes, Cleveland is so desirable because people won’t move here. Cost of living is low and no traffic. Keep making those jokes!
I really miss Cleveland, having grown up in the eastern suburbs. I loved it, for all the reasons mentioned, and about the weather - though winters can be harsh, summers were generally delightful!
I rather stay in Nevada I’ve a great income I can live better as we unfortunately half of you people are coming here for better weather and jobs that pay better
Yeah - the winter can be beautiful & serene, and it can be a big pain in the butt. Tradeoffs of course. My friends in Arizona have to pay a BOATLOAD for fresh water (they are land locked), and my friends in California pay a fortune for property. Still, the Carolinas, Texas etc... nice places to pick from!
Cleveland weather can be an issue...but I've seen surfers in November and I've worn shorts and a T shirt to the St Patrick's day parade. The next week might bring snow, but we enjoy it when it comes.
I grew up in Cleveland but moved to LA and then overseas for 23 years. I am seriously thinking of moving back with my wife and 3 young kids for relaxing/retirement. I am a business consultant with global connections, and i am kinda afraid that I can't get the same exposure in Cleveland. I have a big in Westlake/Westside.. I miss Cleveland.
Of course you know your business better than anybody else. Cleveland Hopkins airport of course can take you wherever you need to go. If you wanted to discuss things further, or to get some ideas, feel free to reach out: joel@gabelmangroup.com or 216-232-5248
I go to Cleveland often but my all time favorite thing there is going to browns games in the fall and seeing a unique energy in the downtown area while walking to the stadium
Having been born and raised in the Cleveland area, I can testify that there really is no mystery or question about whether moving to Cleveland is a good idea or not… it is an ugly city with an ugly skyline terrible weather race relations that suggest the Civil War is still being fought, poverty, and just an overall feeling of bleariness especially in the winter and the feeling that all of history is happening elsewhere…nuff said😂😂😂
Wow! Sorry you feel that way. There are some rougher areas in the city proper, but most of the suburbs are excellent. Works for medicine, arts, sports and low cost of living... if you're rich, California is great too. Not saying Cleveland is the best in the world, but certainly FAR better than your perspective....
@@themistero Yeah right. I've live in NE OH for 54 years. The West Side is very white and boring once outside of Lakewood. The CVNP in on the East Side... the Grand, the Chagrin , and the Cuyahoga rivers all East Side.
@@petedog9581 so the west side is a cow pasture because it’s ‘all white’ . Ok . The east side has all the crime , poverty and traffic. You can keep it .
I'm really glad I watched this. I've considered fleeing San Antonio and moving to Cleveland. The jobs market in Texas is broken due to everyone coming here; there's like 100 applicants for every job in SA. People rant and rave about the low cost of living here, but retirees and active duty are the only people able to really benefit from it. Anyone who needs an actual job here has slim pickins to chose from. Low cost of living is moot if you can't secure any income at all. It's just a really unsustainable tourist economy in SA which is why no big employers ever want to set up shop here. The mayors try to lure them in but even with giant incentives, no corporation or institution in their right mind would move to San Antonio l. And the people are drop dead stupid here even near the universities. Also I can't get over how insane it is that Cleveland actually has subway transit. In San Antonio we keep building more and bigger and higher freeway exchanges, it's just so dystopian looking in the suburbs. I really hate it here. Looking for a fresh start, and I think Cleveland is the place for it. I'm originally from Michigan, so the weather will feel like old times I suppose.
@@thegreypath1777 I ended up going with Pennsylvania instead. Everyone's hiring there. But that sucks man, I hope things get better for you in Ohio, or you could move.
In 1950 Cleveland was the 8th largest city in the US. A Global manufacturing powerhouse with thriving neighborhoods, a vibrant downtown core with great shopping, dining and entertainment to compliment the office and government spaces, and an extremely well endowed Arts Community with world class museums and one of the greatest Symphony Orchestras anywhere. That was 70 years ago. Today Cleveland is around the 55th "largest" city in the US. You don't get from 8th to 55th without a TREMENDOUS amount of Disruption and Urban Decay. Nobody plans, or wants to suffer that kind of population and job loss. It's not pretty under the best of circumstances and Cleveland has long been recognized as being among the WORST major midwest cities in their transition from Rust Belts status. However... The world is an ever-changing-place and perhaps an emerging ZOOM economy will allow certain families and professionals to take advantage of the EXTREMELY low cost-of-living in Cleveland (and other towns like it) and who knows, maybe we'll see a renaissance of sorts. Cleveland has some nice things to offer and this video did a nice job of listing them out. But Cleveland is NOT a thriving major US city like Chicago or Phoenix or Seattle. Housing is affordable because good jobs are scarce. If you're going to move, bring your own job with you. And one more thing... Cleveland is NOTORIOUSLY xenophobic and suffers from an odd form of self-delusion that outsiders can find somewhere between off-putting and hilarious. Example? Cleveland boasts, relentlessly, that it is the cradle of Rock-N-Roll and the city that invented FM Radio because of their station WMMS. The truth is that Cleveland NEVER had much of a Recording scene (unlike Detroit or Philly or Nashville or Memphis) and while WMMS was among the vanguard of FM stations that broke free of the 3 minute pop song format, the idea had been spawned on the West Coast and came to WMMS when they were "Re-Programmed" by their owners Metromedia. Yet to this day, Clevelanders will bend-your-ear about how WMMS "invented" FM radio and that Bruce Springsteen and Genesis (among others) owe their careers to Cleveland. All of it is a silly and baseless boast. While it's pretty harmless (Don't get me started on all the so called "world class restaurants"), if you're coming from the likes of New York, LA, San Francisco, or even Dallas or Atlanta, hearing Clevelanders brag about how they are the "Best" at all these different things can get really annoying. Thought leaders, tech wizards and movie stars are not flocking to Cleveland. If Cleveland would have a better sense of itself, as say, Milwaukee does - everyone would be better for it.
For 10yrs, I've traveled all over USA. 3 cities per day. Job was to help mechanics/engineers. Every city thought they su cked. Cleveland is an average city. Its easy to get around and costs are low. Weather is the worst thing. Only 6 months over 60 degrees and another month of all day rain, wind, clouds, so only 5 months of nice weather.
I was shocked recently when I looked at recent house sales in the area I used to live (westside of lakewood) it seemed like a few buy/renovate/sell people most have made 50,000-100,000 profit. A couple of sale prices around $500,000 not close to lake
Im currently in orlando with my girlfriend. She recently had an interview with cleveland clinic and itbseems like a big possibility. My only issue ive seen is not too many houses with backyards and fenced in for my great dane.
Pollution, cold winters, salt on the roads to rust your car to pieces, crime everywhere downtown naturally spreading to the suburbs, that’s why it’s cheap to live there. Not to mention you have the worst name for a MLB team, The Guardian’s Haha, give me a break.
Came across your video and I must say it was interesting. I was born and raised in Ohio. Lakewood and then the suburbs. Moved to rural Pennsylvania for almost 20 years. I came back right before Thanksgiving last year. I forgot how rude people are in northeast Ohio. Traffic here is ridiculous. East and West is still a thing. I just wish the west side suburbs stop cutting down the green space to build even more houses. Very sad to return home and see my community screwed up with commercialization.
I grew up on the east side and now live southwest. The old money v new money part is spot on. Also, in places like Parma everyone has a job even the kids 😂. It’s a very blue collar area. When I worked in Woodmere there were people who lived a leisurely lifestyle and went to the bookstore it’s because.
I grew up in Parma Heights, and I never thought about it back then, but you're right: even kids have jobs! I started doing paper routes when I was 12 (how many parents today would let their kids walk outdoors by themselves at 4:30am?) and was washing dishes in a pizza parlor until 2am when I was 15.
The crappy weather and cloudy weather ruins the Cleveland area for most people. There is a reason it's so cheap! I moved to the south and it's SO much better! I feel bad for people who live in Ohio.
The south is a different energy. Some people like the four seasons, the lakefront and amenities. But don't get me wrong, if I can live in Northern California for the same price as Cleveland, I would move quickly. Is Cleveland perfect? No. Is it the best city to live in in the United States or the world? No. But you could do far far worse considering all the benefits. :-)
Hmmmm... don't remember where I might have mentioned it, but it was probably shoreline. Maybe I mentioned this when I was living in San Francisco and I enjoyed the shoreline? Maybe I mentioned it's nice seeing Lake Erie's shoreline? I don't recall... still - both views are great, albeit different!
@@TD05SSLegacy AHhhh! Yes! SEWER lines. Some older homes have clay sewer lines. I had a client who bought a home, never had the line scoped, and it turned out a week after he moved in, there was an.... odor. Plumber scoped the sewer line and it had collapsed, costing him around $9-11,000. Big trees look nice in the yard too, but the roots seek water, and they can penetrate sewer and storm lines too. Thanks!
There are some nice areas downtown though. Battery Park, the redevelopment of the flats, some other places but in general, there is a difference between the suburbs and the city.
Thanks for this bsluable info. I live in San Diego and would like to relocate due to the absurd cost of living here. I have friends in the Cleveland area and sm interested in the Parma area. Any thoughts on that area? I’m a young retiree.
Parma is great a nice area - especially if you have friends there! It definitely has its own feel. It's also far more affordable than some other suburbs with a median price point of around $180k. Feel free to shoot me a call or email to get more info! joel@gabelmangroup.com
Hmm.... this is interesting. I did a quick search and found there are lake quality reports for Lake Huron, Lake Michigan, Lake Superior, Lake Erie and Lake Ontario. It's certainly good to make sure ANY fresh water lake you play in is healthy.
I lived in the Cleveland area for four years.The clouds are omnipresent in winter. The crime is pretty nasty and prevalent in parts of the city. Those are the bad things. On to the GREAT things: arts and culture is AMAZING. Cleveland Museum of Art, Cleveland Symphiny, Cleveland Museum of Contemporary Art, and every other town has its own arts center-so you can learn how to draw, paint, act dance-you name it. Also FOOD! Terrific restaurants. Cleveland Clinic, MetroHealth AND University Hospitals are all topnotch. I’m from Chicago, and Cleveland is a small version of Chicago. Also, Theater! Wow! They get top notch Theater-often straight from Broadway. If you like to sing, there are several community choruses you can join. Traffic is not bad at all compared to other cities. Great libraries. And these beautiful bridges in the Flats. I was stunned by how gorgeous some of the buildings and bridges are. City club of Cleveland is where civic minded folks can network and hear nationally renowned speakers. Amazing public radio and public broadcasting. The athletes on the sports teams are pretty accessible to fans (the least they can do, given how bad they usually are -though the Browns are having a rare good year). An award winning park district, an arts parade every June, Dia de Muertos event in November, Ingenuityfest, A winter festival, on and on! Half an hour from an awesome national park, lots of boating/water sports on the lake. Pretty decent golf courses. There is ALWAYS something to do in the CLE. Rivers for kayaking, better grocery stores than in Chicago. Cheaper cost of living. I really loved it.
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as someone who grew up in Cleveland all of your "hot areas" are where all the douchebags hang out real Clevelanders wouldn't be caught dead in any of those areas
You didn't even mention the "emerald necklace". Cleveland has one of if not the best metropark systems in the country. Before moving here 25 years ago I lived in several different major cities and none compare to the Cleveland Metroparks.
Of course you're spot on. The Emerald Necklace of the metroparks is AMAZING. Thanks for the reminder!
Washington DC, Minneapolis and St. Paul are generally rated the best cities in the country for park spaces.
@@patpat8727I lived in DC and they’re park spaces were wet garbage.
I'm a youtube creator based in Cleveland. Been all around the world and moved back here. I love Cleveland. People are so nice.
And unlike NYC,which has their nice parks gated off,Cleveland has vast green spaces,accessible to anyone.
I am born and raised Californian whose dad was from Cleveland. He moved to California because he didn't care for the harsh winters. However, we would visit often because his entire family still resides in greater Cleveland and I just loved it as a kid. Cedar Point, staying the summers with my cousins at Catawba island and swimming and boating on Lake Erie. A Christmas Story House. The four seasons are something I actually miss and the lower cost of living when compared to living in Southern California. Cleveland has definitely improved over the decades and we are seriously considering moving out of California because it is more affordable and a really nice place to live and raise a family.
Having lived in Northern California, the cost of living is really unbeatable in Cleveland. You also hit the nail on the head, between things to do, excellent schools, excellent activities for families, it's hard to beat the cost to value ratio.
If you do wind up looking at moving here, feel free to reach out!
@@livinginClevelandOhio216 I grew up in Northern California, in Sacramento. We've been looking at houses up there too, since we are totally priced out from buying in San Diego but I still get sticker shock with what you get for $500K in Sacramento compared to greater Cleveland Metro, which is a steal!
Im from Cleveland but lived in California over a decade. La is like Cleveland in that its hard to get from point a to point b after a night out. There is alot in both cities but knowing the right people makes all the difference.
If you do, please don't bring your politics.
@@tsarina24honolulu87 I’m from California 2 hours north of LA and lived in Cleveland for 3 months in 2021. Although the housing is cheaper than California I just couldn’t stay. I respect those who do love it there in Ohio.
The Cleveland Museum of Art is excellent! West Side Market and Galucci’s too…
It's not bad. I like the world class amenities at a low cost of living. These days there's a job here for anyone that wants one. I like the lake and beach and natural beauty and the park system. They're all pretty high end.
I don't take advantage enough of living on lake Erie. I wish, like Chicago, they made the lake public for everyone, still, there are public spots and it's beautiful to see the water. Excellent metroparks as well!
I like the cold and the snow, it keeps people from the outside from wanting to move here. For me as a Clevelander the weather is only bad from December to February maybe a little bit of March. I don't want Cleveland to turn into places like Atlanta, or Nashville, with bad traffic and high cost of living.
Fair points!
Cleveland was once a manufacturing powerhouse. Its former titans of industry bestowed the city with assets that are still evident today. Our town has world class amenities that are still here today.
I grew up in Northern California. Sacramento actually. And we have been looking at houses up there because we are totally priced out of San Diego and I still have sticker shock! I have family up there too but Ohio seems so much nicer and my Ohio family keeps asking us when we are going to finally move out there! Decisions decisions but I will definitely consider looking you up!
I'm not sure the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame and the Browns are exactly world class.
@MsArri81 I hope you guys come you would love living in cuyahoga county
@@patpat8727 The Cleveland orchestra, Playhouse Square, Art museum, Zoo, Emerald necklace and university circles certainly are....where are you located?
@@MsArri81I am also from the Sacramento area, Folsom. I have friends in Westlake and am thinking the same thing. Did you make the move?
Learning about Cleveland . This helped. It's pulling me closer.
Nice! If you have more specific questions, feel free to shoot me an email or reach out: joel@gabelmangroup.com. Coming out with some more info soon I think you'll like!
I'd agree with all of what you said. I was born and raise there, but moved away for school and career to NY state (and in NYC for several years). Likely retiring back to Cleveland--west sider here! The MetroParks are a jewel, and the proximity to the lake is also a big plus. One the past five years or so, I've been re-discovering my hometown and am always pleasantly surprised (I grew up there in the 60's and 70's---so a LOT has changed).
Ton has changed! Westlake, Bay village, Rocky River are awesome areas! I might do a video of the east side verse west side.
As westsider, I have to say that the Shaker, Cleveland Heights and University Heights area reminds me of Westchester NY.
Not to mention. The Theater district. Play House Square.. So many beautiful theaters. Best outside of NYC.
Including a beautiful shoreline and beaches going towards Erie
Despite the weather, crime & decay Cleveland is still way more interesting than Cincy, Columbus, Dayton, Toledo or Akron.
There is a pocket renaissance... New developments are coming in Cleveland Heights and downtown, and hopefully it continues. Lots of potential! :)
Yes your right. I moved to Cleveland 2 years ago. Still nice here
That’s not saying much
Being from Dayton you have variety 45 minutes from Cincinnati 60 minutes from columbus or us having the 4th largest metro it's always something to do
Has anyone noticed the lake effect has moved east? Westside now gets only 1/3 snow what the eastside gets. West hardly got any snow this year....and temps are warmer in Cleveland. Climate change....I love it!
As a former Clevelander, this is a fair assessment. Many consider the Cleveland Orchestra to be the world's best. When they go to New York, they are lauded. Severance Hall is great. Blossom Music Center is great. Culture in general in Cleveland is great. It's a darn shame that they allowed the Salvador Dali Museum to move to Florida - it was unbelievably cool. However, if you are going to the Cleveland Clinic, you best make sure your insurance covers it. It's a great area, and I did not mind the snow, or rain. However, the constant gray skies close to the Lake are a real drag.
Cleveland isn't San Francisco or Chicago but is still a major Metro Area. It is the 32 largest metropolitan area and counting Akron the 17th largest csa in the country. Top 20 tv market so it may not be a Chicago or San Francisco but it considered a major Metro Area. Actually before the population loss it was larger the San Francisco. Having said all that good video.
Cleveland is a great city! I did want people to know if they were coming from larger cities, it's a different vibe. Restaurant choices late night are limited (after 10pm), and it's not comparable to NYC, Chicago, LA etc.... That said, find me a larger city with great homes < $350k incredible homes < $750k. Tradeoffs of course. :) Glad you liked the video!
@@livinginClevelandOhio216 Your right in what you are saying. Cleveland did have nearly 1 million people at one time it was top 10 in population. Now it is considered a medium size city. But it is still a major Metro Area which was my point. I looked up TV markets and Cleveland Akron was the 15th now 19th largest. No you can't compare Cleveland, Columbus or Cincinnati to larger cities like NY, Chicago or LA. But don't cut the Cleveland Area short. Wikipedia counts it as a Major Metro Area. Counting Akron the 17th largest csa population in the entire U.S. but I do understand your point of people coming from much larger cities. I worked in Cleveland in the 70's when Cleveland was a great industrial hub. The traffic at rush hour was bad. Cleveland doesn't have that kind of traffic anymore. It is an easy city to navigate. If people want to get away from the very large cities like NY. Chicago, LA. or even Houston where the traffic is ridiculous Cleveland is a good place if you can stand the winters lol.
I’m glad we’re not Chicago or San Francisco …we’re Cleveland .. and we make the best of our city and surrounding suburbs.. love our metroparks
I love it here. I moved from San Francisco. We live on Public Square downtown. So much to do. The museum is world class. We have so many great restaurants. Really sincere, friendly people!
Awesome! I lived in San Francisco for a few years. I miss it - but Cleveland has A LOT to offer! So glad you're loving it here!
@@livinginClevelandOhio216 It’s so much more than I ever imagined. I miss SF too, but I can always visit there. And living here, I can afford to do that.
I work on Public Square.😊
There’s decay and poverty in almost all major cities, Cleveland for the most part is a great small city.
I like Cleveland but it is not a small city, it is a medium size metro area
Did you mention the excellent public transportation system.
I worked full time in downtown Cleveland and got by for a whole year without a car.... and then bought a car cash.
That's amazing! Even I didn't realize it was that good! Thanks for sharing.
My son lives downtown. Has not had a car in 3 years and has no plans to buy one. Walks, bikes, skateboard or RTA/Cleveland state line or health line. Easy to get around.
@@livinginClevelandOhio216 How easy or difficult is it w/ public transportation if you live further away from the downtown core? For example, I am thinking of moving to CLE area for work at either UH or CCF hospitals. Thinking of staying in Euclid or North Olmsted.
I'm a native Californian. Never lived anywhere else. Just can't afford it anymore. :(
@@calpolyca Honestly - I don't often use public transportation; however, I'd check out this link: www.riderta.com/routes. Also, other people have replied it's fairly easy to get around, but feel free to reach out directly via phone: 216-232-5248 or email: joel@gabelmangroup.com if I can be of further help.
Hear me out. Chicago is colder then Cleveland.
And more expensive! I think a Chicago versus Cleveland video is in the works. :-)
It can be and at times cleveland can get colder than chicago as well
As far as healthcare and you are a veteran don’t forget the VA! As far as things to do don’t forget the very robust live theater 🎭 scene in Cleveland with Karamu, Ensemble, Doboma, Playhouse Square, Beck to name a few!
I could have said it better!
Enjoyed your video. I was born and raised in Cleveland and I miss some things like the food. I’m 80 so probably not going back but I’d also like to add people are friendlier there and lots going on especially during the summer. Nice that those older homes are still there. You should’ve also mentioned the mass transit. I worked in the downtown area in the 60s and would take the rapid each day. From East Cleveland to downtown 15 minutes. At that time not too many people drove there. Hope that’s the case now.
I'm from San Diego, and this video makes me want to move to Cleveland.
Cleveland and surrounding area is Truly a hidden gem. My $400k home in Westlake has taxes less than $5 k per year with great amenities, police, fire and hospitals. 20 min from downtown, 15 min from airport. The metro parks are awesome. Awesome restaurants in all the surrounding burbs as well as downtown. Winters are not as bad as people think. Have lived in many places in the USA and overseas and love it here.
I love Westlake! If I moved to the westside, it would be Bay, River or Westlake. Thanks for checking out the channel!
I moved from North Ridgeville to AZ. My taxes went from $4K/year to $500/year and we have police, fire, and hospitals, too.
Not after the BS "assessment" we're all getting. My taxes in North Olmsted will now exceed $5k a year.
@@GOPACKERSJT ouch!! Yeah, I hear N.O. Is pretty bad. I pay roughly $4400 a year for a $490k(ish) house. Still WAY cheaper than what we were paying in Massachusetts or New Hampshire. My friends tax is $27,000 a year for. $700k house in the lakes region. Insanity.
Of course it's a gem when you live in a place like Westlake
Places are "affordable" for a reason. The houses that are available for sale in Cleveland don't sell for much because there aren't enough people who make a lot of money to drive up the cost. In SF there are a lot of people who make a lot of money so the prices for the houses available for sale are driven up by the wealthier people bidding again each other.
There are some truth in that. But bigger picture, your money goes so much further here. You can get an absolutely gorgeous home in Orange, Beachwood, Westlake, Hudson and Solon for under $750k. 750k in San Francisco will buy you a dump. 250K will get you a garage in San Francisco. It will get you a three bed two bath home here. Trade offs for sure, but bang for buck it's hard to beat Cleveland.
Places are "affordable" in Cleveland for a reason.
Lifelong Clevelander...pretty accurate with one glaring omission. Do your research regarding crime. Frankly, in Cleveland itself crime is a huge problem. Most suburbs are very safe but just make sure to look before committing to buying. I've lived here over 50 years and have no regrets. Northeast Ohio is a good place to live.
Cleveland is a city that’s extremely rich in well-established culture, museums, sports, and restaurants. It’s an extremely diverse area, and the fact that it sits on the huge lake makes it really quite appealing. It really is one of those sleeper cities, I enjoy living here a lot, and the people overall are pretty nice. It’s also relatively affordable compared to what you’re seeing across the country. It has a lot to offer, I also like the four seasons including winter which is mandatory.
You should do my videos for me. :-) you hit the nail on the head. I was driving downtown, which I don't often do, and I was able to look at lake Erie on the drive and remember how lucky we are to have this resource that at least for me, I don't take nearly enough advantage of.
What about the abysmal crime stats? And so much of the city is decaying, abandoned. The cultural amenities are stellar, hands down. The architecture downtown is amazing.
@@thebigskyguy Cleveland proper has some crime in different areas for sure. Ohio City and Tremont are gentrifying but have been for years; yet they still have great restaurants in a useful vibe. Other parts of Cleveland proper, and East Cleveland are not places I advise families to live. Most of my content focuses on the suburbs. There are parts of Cleveland proper that are great and parts that are not great. The flats for example have some awesome condominiums and the west side market area has some awesome townhomes and a vibrant area but they are not great for families which is typically my focus audience.
Cleveland isn't perfect, but The areas that are safer, combined with the amenities provides information for people to make a better decision if they're considering moving here, especially if they're looking at the suburbs.
I will be coming out with a video on the next week or two answering the question, is Cleveland safe. As I'm sure you can imagine, parts are and parts aren't. Just like any other city. :-)
Don't forget our world class Cleveland Orchestra!
Also, my daughter & son-in-law just moved here from LA & bought a great century home in Lakewood a couple blocks away from the lake cliff, & they love the area! Very walkable & cool nightlife.
@@thebigskyguyWhat large city doesn’t have abysmal crime statistics?
UA-cam this isn’t funny. You didn’t need to recommend me this simply because I watched the tourism video
He doesn't mention the decay and poverty in Cleveland.
Of course there's poverty and some decay, but the city is always changing. Battery Park, the flats, new developments coming in Beachwood and University Heights. In Chicago, San Francisco and other places I've lived or visited, there's poverty. Go to San Francisco in the Mission - tell me about the homeless. I don't feel Cleveland is worse than other cities when it comes to poverty. As for decay, I spend most of my time in the nicer parts of Cleveland.
I'm not suggesting Cleveland is perfect, but it's hard to beat the cost of living, food scene, things to do, excellent schools and things to do around the area.
Dietta don't go in those areas
@@worldsbesttarot There are some people who can't afford to live anywhere but in those areas. Those are the people I feel sorry for.
@@diettabarker6881 "There are some people who can't afford to live anywhere but in those areas. Those are the people I feel sorry for."
Well then, get out there and do something to help them.
@@diettabarker6881 Those people are the REASON those areas are shitholes.
Taxes. Gheesh. My home is 2700sq ft golf course next street over and taxes are like 5k. I'm in lake county. No way you move in Cuyahoga subs bc the taxes are crazy!
No, I have zero interest in moving to Cleveland.
Yeah, I mean don’t do it. I’m from Cleveland born and raised still stay. Here I will say is segregated everyone’s talking about Brecksville, and all those other house scars of the city that’s not Cleveland Cleveland is the inner cities. The heart of Cleveland is the east side yeah they’re coming in with stuff, but we don’t have any police that keeps the area safe really like that because they don’t really care plus Cleveland as a corrupt city he didn’t say nothing about that. He didn’t get into it about that. I think when he starts to do his history and see if that is still goes on you have a different opinion on another video.
The suburbs aren’t too bad.
Note to self dont move here and talk smack about the browns. Its ride or die kids
Even though there is snow, you still get an actual winter in Cleveland. I live in Orlando, the rest of the country is getting this wonderful winter and we get 90F days in February.
Wow! That's hot! The weather here in Cleveland now (2.2023) is WEIRD. It snows one day 8" and then the next week it's 52 degrees. Maybe global warming?? Now it's raining, but when it does snow, it's beautiful (unless it's wet and freezing snow!). Thanks for checking out the video!
@@livinginClevelandOhio216 It's been dry too here, we usually don't get rain this time of year unless there's a cold front. All of the previous fronts have been so weak that there's been no rain associated with it. Like you said with the temperature fluctuations, that's what we get here too. It doesn't stay cold for more than 1-2 days it's cold then mild to warm again.
LOL "there is snow" is like saying "there is sand" in Arizona. Cleveland gets more snow on average per year than Minneapolis.
Weather definitely changed here. When I was a little kid in 1970's, blizzards almost every week. Now, west side hardly gets any snow. Temps are "warmer" too. Low temp as a kid -15F, now 0F.....I like it!
..and that's a complaint?
I appreciate this video. Currently living in California but the cost of living is starting to catch up to me. I have a relative lives in OH and I'm considering moving there. This help gives some perspective on the pros and cons. Thank you
I love California, it's just really expensive! Let me know if you have additional questions about Ohio by emailing me: joel@gabelmangroup.com. Thanks for the nice feedback!
DON'T move to Ohio! We are full.
@@thegreypath1777 opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one gaypath1777.
Just don't move her expecting your house value to increase.
While the rest of the country experiences ups and downs we here only experience the downs.
I know an idiot who bought a house "cheap " at the time, now 31 years later its still worth the same........
So there is NO retiring for me. Work till I'm dead. Thanks NEOHIO.
Coming from a city with a population of 39,000 in north east central hour away from Cleveland AND Columbus... Cleveland Is a big city to me😮
As a former West sider from the W. 130th. Area near Brookpark Rd., who now lives in Fargo, N D. the one thing you should be warned about is the inept, yet overly aggressive Regional Income Tax Authority, commonly referred to as RITA. I've never had to go back and pay back taxes on corrected tax submissions, that were prepared by H R Block twice. But it wasn't H R Block screwing up, it was RITA who rejected the very changes, they told me to make. RITA is literally the reason I would never move back into that area.
First off the cotton mouth is REEEEEAL lmao
Secondly I appreciate all the information. Gives a great perspective. However I wouldn't tell anyone from California the home prices that way Cleveland doesn't turn into the next Portland, OR.
I grew up East side suburbs and left in 2011. Been in Phoenix since then. Phoenix SUCKS. Traffic, too hot, nothing to do..... Looking to relocate back to something a little more rural, out in the country so to speak. Also, considering Cinci for a little more moderate climate.
I hear Phoenix is SUPER hot! Water is at a shortage and I hear they paint their front yards/cement pads green b/c it's to expensive to have real grass. Come back to Ohio!
Ohio is full!
I’m from California 2 hours north of LA where housing isn’t as expensive as up north or down south CA. Lived in Cleveland 3 months in 2021 and came back to CA. It wasn’t for me..at all but for those who do like it there in Ohio, I’m happy for you.
I miss California, but the home values are brutal... I understand a lot of people are leaving California for Washington and Texas...
@@livinginClevelandOhio216 very true, home values are outrageous and people are moving to Texas and other states. I was born and raised here. All my family are here and I come from a huge family. Cleveland was just not for me. But…I did love seeing so many old beautiful homes and churches. I am grateful I got to see the Eastern part of the US. Went to PA a few times. Totally different.
I've been in socal for 6 years now and this place is some trash. I'm thinking about moving back to Cleveland
@@tpthegreat3587 come back. :-) views aren't as nice as the ocean, but there's a lot to love. If you are serious, feel free to reach out if I could be of any help!.
@@tpthegreat3587 can’t blame you. I don’t much like SoCal. I very rarely go there. I’m in the San Joaquin Valley. Life is short. I wish you best and be able to live where you are most happy.
Spring and Summer is May- August. Winter Oct- April. Real estate Taxes in California are less then in Cleveland.
My mom applied for a job there in Cleveland, this a major help in the being informed. Hopefully this job pans out and we can get out of Arizona and the 110+ heat.
Gotta cover the parks! Cuyahoga Valley, Metroparks, Mentor Headlands, etc. Great City parks as well. Coe Lake in Berea, the whole Chagrin Falls Downtown, the various Parks downtown such as Public Square. Downtown is extremely walkable, and frankly beautiful in terms of architecture.
A friend who left Cleveland for Texas 42 years ago for work reasons, recently visited. His heartfelt comment was “it’s good to be home.”
Very informative. Thanks Joel!
Glad you liked the info! Cleveland has changed a lot since I moved back here!
Traveled the world (!) - chose to settled in CLE to start our family…Best place to live - 40 years after !!
I’m from Puerto Rico and the only thing I’m concerned about it’s crime….. is it worst than Puerto Rico or is like normal?? I don’t know! I will be moving on July!
Pretty ironic that as a result of being the butt of so many jokes, Cleveland is so desirable because people won’t move here. Cost of living is low and no traffic. Keep making those jokes!
I really miss Cleveland, having grown up in the eastern suburbs. I loved it, for all the reasons mentioned, and about the weather - though winters can be harsh, summers were generally delightful!
What about wooster Ohio
Not as familiar with Wooster... The little I know, it's a nice, middle income area
Make sure you say it correctly! It is pronounced: "Wister" (short I), but it is spelled "Wooster". And you don't want to move here! We are full!
I rather stay in Nevada I’ve a great income I can live better as we unfortunately half of you people are coming here for better weather and jobs that pay better
Come to Old Brooklyn if you like Fireworks... We go hard af lol. Less then 10-15m from anything in Cleveland. Super cool place to live ngl.
I live in Cleveland and can’t wait till I can move I hate the winter weather
Yeah - the winter can be beautiful & serene, and it can be a big pain in the butt. Tradeoffs of course. My friends in Arizona have to pay a BOATLOAD for fresh water (they are land locked), and my friends in California pay a fortune for property. Still, the Carolinas, Texas etc... nice places to pick from!
If it wasn't for the weather I would move back lol.
Cleveland weather can be an issue...but I've seen surfers in November and I've worn shorts and a T shirt to the St Patrick's day parade. The next week might bring snow, but we enjoy it when it comes.
Born and raised and thats the main reason im looking to relocate south. Im sick of the cold. But the summers here are beautiful
Yes, the winters are too long, the summers are too short. Moved to Tucson, AZ. We have the heat, but you don't have to shovel it.
I grew up in Cleveland but moved to LA and then overseas for 23 years. I am seriously thinking of moving back with my wife and 3 young kids for relaxing/retirement. I am a business consultant with global connections, and i am kinda afraid that I can't get the same exposure in Cleveland. I have a big in Westlake/Westside..
I miss Cleveland.
Of course you know your business better than anybody else. Cleveland Hopkins airport of course can take you wherever you need to go. If you wanted to discuss things further, or to get some ideas, feel free to reach out: joel@gabelmangroup.com or 216-232-5248
Don't move back to Ohio! ❄️ ⛄️ We are full.
Excellent, Joel!
Good things missed: Metroparks! Theater District!
Loving Brecksville
Brecksville is awesome!
Eastside always gets hammered with snow but west side isn’t as bad. Snow belt.
I go to Cleveland often but my all time favorite thing there is going to browns games in the fall and seeing a unique energy in the downtown area while walking to the stadium
I'd love to move to Cleveland but on 788/mo I'm stuck in Canton...
Having been born and raised in the Cleveland area, I can testify that there really is no mystery or question about whether moving to Cleveland is a good idea or not… it is an ugly city with an ugly skyline terrible weather race relations that suggest the Civil War is still being fought, poverty, and just an overall feeling of bleariness especially in the winter and the feeling that all of history is happening elsewhere…nuff said😂😂😂
Wow! Sorry you feel that way. There are some rougher areas in the city proper, but most of the suburbs are excellent. Works for medicine, arts, sports and low cost of living... if you're rich, California is great too. Not saying Cleveland is the best in the world, but certainly FAR better than your perspective....
And, Cleveland is full! You definitely do not want to move to Cleveland.
Wow, I am trying fo move there but your comment is making me not want to. Is it that bad?
Born & raised on the east side of Cleveland and still live here. You did a very good job on this vid, really good.
Thanks!
The West Side is a cow pasture once you get past the Rocky River. The East Side has way cooler geography.
I don't think you have ever been to the west side. Like ever...
@@themistero Yeah right. I've live in NE OH for 54 years. The West Side is very white and boring once outside of Lakewood. The CVNP in on the East Side... the Grand, the Chagrin , and the Cuyahoga rivers all East Side.
@@petedog9581 so the west side is a cow pasture because it’s ‘all white’ . Ok . The east side has all the crime , poverty and traffic. You can keep it .
I'm really glad I watched this. I've considered fleeing San Antonio and moving to Cleveland. The jobs market in Texas is broken due to everyone coming here; there's like 100 applicants for every job in SA. People rant and rave about the low cost of living here, but retirees and active duty are the only people able to really benefit from it. Anyone who needs an actual job here has slim pickins to chose from. Low cost of living is moot if you can't secure any income at all. It's just a really unsustainable tourist economy in SA which is why no big employers ever want to set up shop here. The mayors try to lure them in but even with giant incentives, no corporation or institution in their right mind would move to San Antonio l. And the people are drop dead stupid here even near the universities. Also I can't get over how insane it is that Cleveland actually has subway transit. In San Antonio we keep building more and bigger and higher freeway exchanges, it's just so dystopian looking in the suburbs. I really hate it here. Looking for a fresh start, and I think Cleveland is the place for it. I'm originally from Michigan, so the weather will feel like old times I suppose.
There are NO jobs in Ohio.
@@thegreypath1777 I ended up going with Pennsylvania instead. Everyone's hiring there. But that sucks man, I hope things get better for you in Ohio, or you could move.
great point!
Glad you liked the video!
In 1950 Cleveland was the 8th largest city in the US. A Global manufacturing powerhouse with thriving neighborhoods, a vibrant downtown core with great shopping, dining and entertainment to compliment the office and government spaces, and an extremely well endowed Arts Community with world class museums and one of the greatest Symphony Orchestras anywhere.
That was 70 years ago.
Today Cleveland is around the 55th "largest" city in the US. You don't get from 8th to 55th without a TREMENDOUS amount of Disruption and Urban Decay. Nobody plans, or wants to suffer that kind of population and job loss. It's not pretty under the best of circumstances and Cleveland has long been recognized as being among the WORST major midwest cities in their transition from Rust Belts status. However...
The world is an ever-changing-place and perhaps an emerging ZOOM economy will allow certain families and professionals to take advantage of the EXTREMELY low cost-of-living in Cleveland (and other towns like it) and who knows, maybe we'll see a renaissance of sorts.
Cleveland has some nice things to offer and this video did a nice job of listing them out. But Cleveland is NOT a thriving major US city like Chicago or Phoenix or Seattle. Housing is affordable because good jobs are scarce. If you're going to move, bring your own job with you.
And one more thing... Cleveland is NOTORIOUSLY xenophobic and suffers from an odd form of self-delusion that outsiders can find somewhere between off-putting and hilarious. Example? Cleveland boasts, relentlessly, that it is the cradle of Rock-N-Roll and the city that invented FM Radio because of their station WMMS. The truth is that Cleveland NEVER had much of a Recording scene (unlike Detroit or Philly or Nashville or Memphis) and while WMMS was among the vanguard of FM stations that broke free of the 3 minute pop song format, the idea had been spawned on the West Coast and came to WMMS when they were "Re-Programmed" by their owners Metromedia. Yet to this day, Clevelanders will bend-your-ear about how WMMS "invented" FM radio and that Bruce Springsteen and Genesis (among others) owe their careers to Cleveland. All of it is a silly and baseless boast.
While it's pretty harmless (Don't get me started on all the so called "world class restaurants"), if you're coming from the likes of New York, LA, San Francisco, or even Dallas or Atlanta, hearing Clevelanders brag about how they are the "Best" at all these different things can get really annoying. Thought leaders, tech wizards and movie stars are not flocking to Cleveland. If Cleveland would have a better sense of itself, as say, Milwaukee does - everyone would be better for it.
Thank you. Finally someone actually telling the truth and not just spitting propaganda.
And, we are full. Don't forget to mention that.
For 10yrs, I've traveled all over USA. 3 cities per day. Job was to help mechanics/engineers. Every city thought they su cked. Cleveland is an average city. Its easy to get around and costs are low. Weather is the worst thing. Only 6 months over 60 degrees and another month of all day rain, wind, clouds, so only 5 months of nice weather.
Cleveland is much more interesting. Visually and culturally. Good luck!
I was shocked recently when I looked at recent house sales in the area I used to live (westside of lakewood) it seemed like a few buy/renovate/sell people most have made 50,000-100,000 profit. A couple of sale prices around $500,000 not close to lake
Awesome info!
I'm curious, since your wife never lived in Cleveland before, where is she from? 😊
I retired and moved away from Cleveland that day. This vid is giving me flashbacks of having to live there.
Let’s get a NHL hockey team into this town,what are you waiting for..
0:00 - "so youre thinking of moving to north-east ohio" - no i absolutely dont. 😂😂
If you are moving from California please leave your politics there
Dude, we do read internet articles!
Im currently in orlando with my girlfriend. She recently had an interview with cleveland clinic and itbseems like a big possibility. My only issue ive seen is not too many houses with backyards and fenced in for my great dane.
Tons of 1/2 acre lots in the suburbs with fenced yards.
@@rospencer611 will have to look again as long as they are within 30 minutes of clevland clinic
Crime is rampant too.
did you know it was in Ohio?
I clicked this video just on the ridiculous title alone: Moving TO Cleveland. You have got to be kidding me. 🤣🤣🤣
Pollution, cold winters, salt on the roads to rust your car to pieces, crime everywhere downtown naturally spreading to the suburbs, that’s why it’s cheap to live there. Not to mention you have the worst name for a MLB team, The Guardian’s Haha, give me a break.
Came across your video and I must say it was interesting. I was born and raised in Ohio. Lakewood and then the suburbs. Moved to rural Pennsylvania for almost 20 years. I came back right before Thanksgiving last year. I forgot how rude people are in northeast Ohio. Traffic here is ridiculous. East and West is still a thing. I just wish the west side suburbs stop cutting down the green space to build even more houses. Very sad to return home and see my community screwed up with commercialization.
I grew up on the east side and now live southwest.
The old money v new money part is spot on.
Also, in places like Parma everyone has a job even the kids 😂. It’s a very blue collar area. When I worked in Woodmere there were people who lived a leisurely lifestyle and went to the bookstore it’s because.
I grew up in Parma Heights, and I never thought about it back then, but you're right: even kids have jobs! I started doing paper routes when I was 12 (how many parents today would let their kids walk outdoors by themselves at 4:30am?) and was washing dishes in a pizza parlor until 2am when I was 15.
The crappy weather and cloudy weather ruins the Cleveland area for most people. There is a reason it's so cheap! I moved to the south and it's SO much better! I feel bad for people who live in Ohio.
Yet.. here you are
The south is a different energy. Some people like the four seasons, the lakefront and amenities. But don't get me wrong, if I can live in Northern California for the same price as Cleveland, I would move quickly. Is Cleveland perfect? No. Is it the best city to live in in the United States or the world? No. But you could do far far worse considering all the benefits. :-)
Great content here!
Thanks, Chris!
Love the CLE. Went to Chapin Forest today & some cool thrift stores. I’ve lived here 49 years & never get bored. And the FOOD 😙
What is a “sore line” or “shoreline”? I don’t think we call whatever that is here in the Northwest.
Hmmmm... don't remember where I might have mentioned it, but it was probably shoreline. Maybe I mentioned this when I was living in San Francisco and I enjoyed the shoreline? Maybe I mentioned it's nice seeing Lake Erie's shoreline? I don't recall... still - both views are great, albeit different!
@@livinginClevelandOhio216 12:56? I think you are saying sewer line?
Soux-er. vs. Show-are. Must be a lake effects accent! Lol. Seriously, i even ran with captions and could not get it.
@@TD05SSLegacy AHhhh! Yes! SEWER lines. Some older homes have clay sewer lines. I had a client who bought a home, never had the line scoped, and it turned out a week after he moved in, there was an.... odor. Plumber scoped the sewer line and it had collapsed, costing him around $9-11,000. Big trees look nice in the yard too, but the roots seek water, and they can penetrate sewer and storm lines too. Thanks!
Ceramic clay pipe. Ugh! Know it well! Yes, scoping for sure important pre inspection.
LOL "so you're thinking of moving to northeast Ohio"
DON'T!!!!
I moved to Cleveland from Stockholm, Sweden one year ago and it is much nicer here.
You may find a decent suburb but cleveland proper is a toilet.
There are some nice areas downtown though. Battery Park, the redevelopment of the flats, some other places but in general, there is a difference between the suburbs and the city.
@@livinginClevelandOhio216 there's not a place downtown I haven't been aggressively panhandled. I stand by my statement.
Thanks for this bsluable info. I live in San Diego and would like to relocate due to the absurd cost of living here. I have friends in the Cleveland area and sm interested in the Parma area. Any thoughts on that area? I’m a young retiree.
Parma is great a nice area - especially if you have friends there! It definitely has its own feel. It's also far more affordable than some other suburbs with a median price point of around $180k. Feel free to shoot me a call or email to get more info! joel@gabelmangroup.com
Parma is also congested, lots of traffic, but some homes with a lot of character and inexpensive cost of living.
Ohio is full!
I'm glad I moved OUT of Cleveland!
best is water quality daily reports - lets youyknow if your swimming in poop!!
mistake on the lake for sure!!
Hmm.... this is interesting. I did a quick search and found there are lake quality reports for Lake Huron, Lake Michigan, Lake Superior, Lake Erie and Lake Ontario. It's certainly good to make sure ANY fresh water lake you play in is healthy.
For those who like snow, there's Boston Mills, Brandywine, and Alpine Valley.
I lived in the Cleveland area for four years.The clouds are omnipresent in winter. The crime is pretty nasty and prevalent in parts of the city. Those are the bad things. On to the GREAT things: arts and culture is AMAZING. Cleveland Museum of Art, Cleveland Symphiny, Cleveland Museum of Contemporary Art, and every other town has its own arts center-so you can learn how to draw, paint, act dance-you name it. Also FOOD! Terrific restaurants. Cleveland Clinic, MetroHealth AND University Hospitals are all topnotch. I’m from Chicago, and Cleveland is a small version of Chicago. Also, Theater! Wow! They get top notch Theater-often straight from Broadway. If you like to sing, there are several community choruses you can join. Traffic is not bad at all compared to other cities. Great libraries. And these beautiful bridges in the Flats. I was stunned by how gorgeous some of the buildings and bridges are. City club of Cleveland is where civic minded folks can network and hear nationally renowned speakers. Amazing public radio and public broadcasting. The athletes on the sports teams are pretty accessible to fans (the least they can do, given how bad they usually are -though the Browns are having a rare good year). An award winning park district, an arts parade every June, Dia de Muertos event in November, Ingenuityfest, A winter festival, on and on! Half an hour from an awesome national park, lots of boating/water sports on the lake. Pretty decent golf courses. There is ALWAYS something to do in the CLE. Rivers for kayaking, better grocery stores than in Chicago. Cheaper cost of living. I really loved it.