Reminds me of an interaction I had as a kid. Mum had a friend over, and for whatever reason I said "You're gay!" in a pejorative way - turns out she actually was gay, and she said "Yes, I am!" Really surprised my tiny child mind. Years later turns out I'm a butch lesbian myself. Go figure.
At a birthday party my kid attended last year, they were playing one of those Jackbox games where part of the game is coming up with funny one-liners and other players vote on their favorites, and some kid wrote, "That's gay... I'm in!" That line was overwhelmingly voted the winner, and although it's a very small thing, it gave me hope that their generation might turn out alright after all. 😊
I got pretty edgy when I played jack box so I don't think it's fair to judge someone's morals based off that. What determines what's off limits? Homophobia is bad but school shting jokes are fine?
When my sons were at school, they too picked up the phrase "that's gay" as a pejorative. I was shocked to hear it. I made it clear I would not tolerate the use of "gay" as a negative word, and whenever I heard any of their friends talking like that I also pulled them up pretty sharp. Not long ago my eldest, who is now 34 years old, surprised me with an unexpected remark; he thanked me for not letting him use anti-gay talk, even though it was the norm among his peers. I guess the other parents he knew at the time just acted as if anti-gay talk was normal. But he remembered that I spoke up about it all those years ago, and it stuck with him. With the kids in our lives, we never know what values are going to stick and what won't. But it sounds like your nephews are on the way to being fine young men.
this is all very heartwarming and cute! I love that queer joy is being celebrated but as a gen Z it’s funny how she said “playing UA-cam” instead of “watching UA-cam” 😂❤
Someone recently reminded me that I need to give others a chance to surprise me. Given where I live, in the rural Midwest, I tend to assume most of the people around me hold bigoted views... but every so often, someone proves me wrong by being very open-minded and caring. It always warms my heart and makes me feel like maybe I can have a social life out here after all.
I live in a very liberal area, but I attended Missouri Synod Lutheran school for quite a few years, which is quite conservative. I always assumed that people I knew from those days were judging me/thinking I’m going to Hell when they saw me on social media. But I have had conversations with former teachers (which means they are significantly older than i am) who do not feel that way. I’m sure some do lol but I am glad I’ve had those conversations and positive feedback from some people who easily could have gone the other way
What a lovely video! I remember using "gay" as a pejorative when I was very young, as friends at school had used it. It's incredible how much heteronormativity imposes itself on children - you get socialised into homophobic conventions without even realising it, and unless you're lucky you end up having to unpack a bigoted set of behaviours years later. I was lucky. I grew up in a household that was progressive and I didn't use it again, and I'm so much better for it - LGBTQ people are people, and all people deserve to go through life without their identity being weaponised as an insult!. Half the reason homophobia survives is that it's too engrained in social norms to be called out by the people that hear it, letting the cycle continue for the next generation - makes it encouraging to hear when other people call it out as well.
@@owenmacdonald7428 thank you very much for your thoughts. I actually don’t think I used that word much but I’m not sure why. I did use other words that I no longer do. Use of the R word was widespread when I was a kid and I used it too. I did not think about how it would feel to some people hearing it. But eventually I learned and changed. I’m still in the process of adjusting some of my language that’s been ingrained in me!
@@kiralesley2957 Yeah, the R word was really common at school too, and sadly seems to have hung around in online spaces quite a bit as well. In fact, ableism is a form of discrimination that's a lot more difficult to halt, because much of it is woven into general thoughts about society and regular language (which isn't to say that other forms aren't! But whereas racist slurs can be spotted quite quickly, the words we use for disability are often words used in general) As an aside, would you like to talk more about issues like this on a stream at some point? I'm doing sociological research for my degree on topics like this (though primarily centred on the US election ATM), and it would be great to have a more direct chat about social issues like this. Let me know if you're interested!
@@kiralesley2957 Awesome! It'll be great to add your perspective to a group discussion. Do you have twitter/bluesky/threads etc. that I can message you on to make it easier to organise times and coordinate with the others?
Right? That was popular when I was growing up in the '90s and early '00s, along with the r-slur and a number of derogatory words, slurs, etc. I was saddened to hear that people still say such things in the year 2024. Guess I figured it would have died out by now, despite homophobia in general still being common... but at least more kids are aware that it's harmful.
We've already moved past it. LGBTetc people throw "gay" around as an insult all the time, because it's funny to follow it up with words to the effect of "and because it's gay, I like it". Meanwhile outside those spaces, "gay" has become a toothless insult, except when aimed at homophobes, where it's now funnier than ever. This is because the insulting power of the word gay was always in the target's fear of being perceived as gay, which could have resulted in ostracisation. Now, no one cares if you call them gay, because it's become destigmatised enough that people aren't scared of being perceived as gay, but at the same time, homophobes have become more afraid than ever of being called gay, which is hilarious.
@@a.m_blueberries sure! I was confused by that too, as I thought it seemed like that name would have been taken. I haven’t been active on UA-cam in quite awhile so I’m kind of learning how thus all Works (plus they change the settings a lot, hard to keep up!)
So the received love is the self-policing of two little kids, enhanced by the fact they are raised in the opposite direction by their religion. Correct?
@@brazilchem I was moved by the fact that my 5 year old nephew did not automatically perceive two women in a relationship was bad. He was not self policing. And as for the 12 year old, I was moved by the fact that he recognized using the word in a derogatory way might have real-world implications for two people he loves and have been a big part of his life. But you are implying that self-policing is a bad thing-in fact we teach children which words are appropriate to say and which are not. No, I don’t believe using gay as a slur is something we should promote. If he recognized that using gay as a slur in front of his gay aunts is potentially hurtful to them, then yes, I applaud him for his empathy and insight. As far as his religion goes, I’m just saying that there is a wider range of beliefs among Evangelical Christians than some people realize, especially people on the left.
Personally, I have no issues if my child learns and adapts to the paradigm that two people can be boy-friend and boy-friend... Or girl-friend and girl-friend... Or any combination thereof! However! What I DON'T want, is my child to believe that they can change their gender, just like they can change their socks! That I will reject 100%!!! But of course, once they hit adulthood, then they are free to do whatever the Hell they want!!
When you're teaching five year olds about gay history you should mention how the marriage ruling was just that, a ruling. It was forced on Americans top down. They knew the people wouldn't accept it on their own. Makes you think don't it
That is how laws work, yes. But all populations of English speaking countries mostly support gay marriage, so it makes sense for the law to reflect this.
It's also funny because of how we can apply this to things that are fully accepted today but still need laws to remind people. Like how old English laws denied Protestants certain rights and privileges. And despite knowing all religions are equal under the law, some still need to be reminded you can't keep trying to persecute Christianity and only Christianity.
lol thanks. I went to the Reddit cuz I was curious. When I saw the comment above I was like, if I were gonna make up a story, I’d make it punchier/more interesting lol
Why do I feel like you're saying this as some kind of "gotcha"? The way you're phrasing it, it just feels like you don't believe in nonbinary identities, which is weird to me as a nonbinary person as that's like saying you don't believe in gravity. There are more genders than can reasonably be known or counted by any one person. That's hard for most adults to understand. I don't think "how many genders there are" is a productive line of conversation regardless of how old someone is, because it's not a relevant question to be asking, as long as they know it's more than two.
@@binghamguevara6814 I’m not sure exactly what you are asking either, but I did not have any conversation with them. I was just living my life, playing hide and seek.
Lord these people need prayer. There is NO church that should ever condone this lifestyle bc it is a sin(and I would never attend it, if it did). The elder's/apostle's should be trying to deliver these souls through Jesus Christ holy blood. YES, God love❤s U butttt.... THIS lifestyle though, is NOT in his will. God is love, BUT don't get it twisted... He is an almighty/ awesome/jealous God and he wants for your life the RIGHT lifestyle/things/choices. God bless those. This lifestyle as I've heard is a very hard struggle but MY God can bring U out of that life of bondage and abomination. He can do ANYTHING! He wants your soul to rest in eternal heavenly peace with him. ❤️ 🖤 🙏 Just some words of encouragement and food for 💭.
Reminds me of an interaction I had as a kid. Mum had a friend over, and for whatever reason I said "You're gay!" in a pejorative way - turns out she actually was gay, and she said "Yes, I am!" Really surprised my tiny child mind.
Years later turns out I'm a butch lesbian myself. Go figure.
@@mintpalmer fam recognized fam ;) but seriously, it was sweet of her to respond in such a matter-of-fact way.
You're gay!
At a birthday party my kid attended last year, they were playing one of those Jackbox games where part of the game is coming up with funny one-liners and other players vote on their favorites, and some kid wrote, "That's gay... I'm in!" That line was overwhelmingly voted the winner, and although it's a very small thing, it gave me hope that their generation might turn out alright after all. 😊
I got pretty edgy when I played jack box so I don't think it's fair to judge someone's morals based off that. What determines what's off limits? Homophobia is bad but school shting jokes are fine?
Yeah that's wholesome
Their generation is *objectively* screwed and will not “turn out alright.”
Haha, gay children! So adorable and wholesome.
When my sons were at school, they too picked up the phrase "that's gay" as a pejorative. I was shocked to hear it. I made it clear I would not tolerate the use of "gay" as a negative word, and whenever I heard any of their friends talking like that I also pulled them up pretty sharp.
Not long ago my eldest, who is now 34 years old, surprised me with an unexpected remark; he thanked me for not letting him use anti-gay talk, even though it was the norm among his peers. I guess the other parents he knew at the time just acted as if anti-gay talk was normal. But he remembered that I spoke up about it all those years ago, and it stuck with him.
With the kids in our lives, we never know what values are going to stick and what won't. But it sounds like your nephews are on the way to being fine young men.
this is all very heartwarming and cute! I love that queer joy is being celebrated but as a gen Z it’s funny how she said “playing UA-cam” instead of “watching UA-cam” 😂❤
@@Imjustkendall haha yes I realized that when I watched back the video but was like meh, that’s how it came out, too much work to change it 😂
Someone recently reminded me that I need to give others a chance to surprise me. Given where I live, in the rural Midwest, I tend to assume most of the people around me hold bigoted views... but every so often, someone proves me wrong by being very open-minded and caring. It always warms my heart and makes me feel like maybe I can have a social life out here after all.
I live in a very liberal area, but I attended Missouri Synod Lutheran school for quite a few years, which is quite conservative. I always assumed that people I knew from those days were judging me/thinking I’m going to Hell when they saw me on social media. But I have had conversations with former teachers (which means they are significantly older than i am) who do not feel that way. I’m sure some do lol but I am glad I’ve had those conversations and positive feedback from some people who easily could have gone the other way
Thanks for the uptick of hope; wishing you and yours the best.
@@chriscooper654 oh geeze, thanks very much. “Uptick of hope” is what I was feeling too :)
What a lovely video!
I remember using "gay" as a pejorative when I was very young, as friends at school had used it. It's incredible how much heteronormativity imposes itself on children - you get socialised into homophobic conventions without even realising it, and unless you're lucky you end up having to unpack a bigoted set of behaviours years later.
I was lucky. I grew up in a household that was progressive and I didn't use it again, and I'm so much better for it - LGBTQ people are people, and all people deserve to go through life without their identity being weaponised as an insult!. Half the reason homophobia survives is that it's too engrained in social norms to be called out by the people that hear it, letting the cycle continue for the next generation - makes it encouraging to hear when other people call it out as well.
@@owenmacdonald7428 thank you very much for your thoughts. I actually don’t think I used that word much but I’m not sure why. I did use other words that I no longer do. Use of the R word was widespread when I was a kid and I used it too. I did not think about how it would feel to some people hearing it. But eventually I learned and changed. I’m still in the process of adjusting some of my language that’s been ingrained in me!
@@kiralesley2957 Yeah, the R word was really common at school too, and sadly seems to have hung around in online spaces quite a bit as well. In fact, ableism is a form of discrimination that's a lot more difficult to halt, because much of it is woven into general thoughts about society and regular language (which isn't to say that other forms aren't! But whereas racist slurs can be spotted quite quickly, the words we use for disability are often words used in general)
As an aside, would you like to talk more about issues like this on a stream at some point? I'm doing sociological research for my degree on topics like this (though primarily centred on the US election ATM), and it would be great to have a more direct chat about social issues like this. Let me know if you're interested!
@@owenmacdonald7428 sure, I’d be interested!
@@kiralesley2957 Awesome! It'll be great to add your perspective to a group discussion. Do you have twitter/bluesky/threads etc. that I can message you on to make it easier to organise times and coordinate with the others?
Very sweet! ❤
@@awkwardukulele6077 thank you!
Using gay as an insult is so old. We need to move past it.
It literally makes no sense.
Right? That was popular when I was growing up in the '90s and early '00s, along with the r-slur and a number of derogatory words, slurs, etc. I was saddened to hear that people still say such things in the year 2024. Guess I figured it would have died out by now, despite homophobia in general still being common... but at least more kids are aware that it's harmful.
Who said insults have to make sense?
@@jfm14 yeah, I was kind of surprised too. It was definitely a thing when I was growing up, same time period as you it sounds like
We've already moved past it. LGBTetc people throw "gay" around as an insult all the time, because it's funny to follow it up with words to the effect of "and because it's gay, I like it". Meanwhile outside those spaces, "gay" has become a toothless insult, except when aimed at homophobes, where it's now funnier than ever. This is because the insulting power of the word gay was always in the target's fear of being perceived as gay, which could have resulted in ostracisation. Now, no one cares if you call them gay, because it's become destigmatised enough that people aren't scared of being perceived as gay, but at the same time, homophobes have become more afraid than ever of being called gay, which is hilarious.
Lol, it's coming back. We are so back
Done! Good job, Auntie❤
@@1linnell thank you!
Thank you for sharing
@@ishuboshi thank you for!watching!
@@kiralesley2957 thank you for thanking that person
@@JasonSpielberg thank you for thanking me for thanking that person for watching!
Love is love. ❤ Thank you for sharing this story. Sounds like these kids are wise beyond their years. Nice to hear.
@@ChuckSchickx thank you for watching and commenting :)
Could you link your nephew’s channel? There are a couple different channels with that name and I’d like to find the right one.
@@awkwardukulele6077 yeah sorry, I realized that later! Here you go youtube.com/@legendarydestroyers3364?si=rNXDTdLV9XRYQ5ZH
💖💜
Hey, can you link to your nephew's channel? There are many under that name, and I would love to give him a follow :)
@@a.m_blueberries sure! I was confused by that too, as I thought it seemed like that name would have been taken. I haven’t been active on UA-cam in quite awhile so I’m kind of learning how thus all
Works (plus they change the settings a lot, hard to keep up!)
@@a.m_blueberries @legendarydestroyers3364 ok
I don’t think linked correctly but that’s his handle
So the received love is the self-policing of two little kids, enhanced by the fact they are raised in the opposite direction by their religion. Correct?
@@brazilchem I was moved by the fact that my 5 year old nephew did not automatically perceive two women in a relationship was bad. He was not self policing. And as for the 12 year old, I was moved by the fact that he recognized using the word in a derogatory way might have real-world implications for two people he loves and have been a big part of his life. But you are implying that self-policing is a bad thing-in fact we teach children which words are appropriate to say and which are not. No, I don’t believe using gay as a slur is something we should promote. If he recognized that using gay as a slur in front of his gay aunts is potentially hurtful to them, then yes, I applaud him for his empathy and insight. As far as his religion goes, I’m just saying that there is a wider range of beliefs among Evangelical Christians than some people realize, especially people on the left.
This video and comment section is gay.
Kiss In Private, Avoid Judgemental Eyes.
@@vineetkullu2248 I do in general, but it was a photo booth picture that he happened to find
Personally, I have no issues if my child learns and adapts to the paradigm that two people can be boy-friend and boy-friend... Or girl-friend and girl-friend... Or any combination thereof!
However! What I DON'T want, is my child to believe that they can change their gender, just like they can change their socks!
That I will reject 100%!!! But of course, once they hit adulthood, then they are free to do whatever the Hell they want!!
When you're teaching five year olds about gay history you should mention how the marriage ruling was just that, a ruling. It was forced on Americans top down. They knew the people wouldn't accept it on their own. Makes you think don't it
What even is this comment.
@@Jimthewizard14 I don’t teach 5 year olds about history, gay or otherwise
That is how laws work, yes.
But all populations of English speaking countries mostly support gay marriage, so it makes sense for the law to reflect this.
It's also funny because of how we can apply this to things that are fully accepted today but still need laws to remind people. Like how old English laws denied Protestants certain rights and privileges. And despite knowing all religions are equal under the law, some still need to be reminded you can't keep trying to persecute Christianity and only Christianity.
@@bryanwoods3373 I didn’t know that about old English laws, very interesting. Thank you for sharing
Nationalism will win
Onward to victory
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@@Jimthewizard14go outside loser 😂
Hopefully you get the help you need to overcome this symptom of an admittedly complex and powerful condition. Let’s hope it’s not genetic
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I don’t know what you’re talking about
@kiralesley2957 that's one of the symptoms!
I wrote that WTF
I do not remember writing that sorry
things that literally never happened be like
R/nothingeverhappens
So true
lol thanks. I went to the Reddit cuz I was curious. When I saw the comment above I was like, if I were gonna make up a story, I’d make it punchier/more interesting lol
Why don’t you have a discussion on how many genders there are with the kids.
Why do I feel like you're saying this as some kind of "gotcha"? The way you're phrasing it, it just feels like you don't believe in nonbinary identities, which is weird to me as a nonbinary person as that's like saying you don't believe in gravity.
There are more genders than can reasonably be known or counted by any one person. That's hard for most adults to understand. I don't think "how many genders there are" is a productive line of conversation regardless of how old someone is, because it's not a relevant question to be asking, as long as they know it's more than two.
@@binghamguevara6814 I’m not sure exactly what you are asking either, but I did not have any conversation with them. I was just living my life, playing hide and seek.
What are you talking about lmao
What are you talking about 😂
@@cheshireket3132 what planet are you living on?
Lord these people need prayer. There is NO church that should ever condone this lifestyle bc it is a sin(and I would never attend it, if it did). The elder's/apostle's should be trying to deliver these souls through Jesus Christ holy blood. YES, God love❤s U butttt.... THIS lifestyle though, is NOT in his will. God is love, BUT don't get it twisted... He is an almighty/ awesome/jealous God and he wants for your life the RIGHT lifestyle/things/choices. God bless those. This lifestyle as I've heard is a very hard struggle but MY God can bring U out of that life of bondage and abomination. He can do ANYTHING! He wants your soul to rest in eternal heavenly peace with him. ❤️ 🖤 🙏 Just some words of encouragement and food for 💭.