If he thinks being gay is a choice, that must mean he has homosexual urges that he _chooses_ not to act on. I am straight and engaging in gay sex is *NOT* an option for me. I don't think it's a choice but something that is natural.
@wesstkilda how does your sexual preference rather gay or straight has to do with your race? please explain this because this comment I hear often is very confusing to me. The color of my skin show where I originated from not the person I sleep with. I don't understand how the person we are attracted to has to deal with if you were born in africa or not so it's not the same thing
@AntichristComes But that's not really what I am talking about. I am interested in how you conclude that homosexuality is a choice. What is your basis for that position?
absolutely right. i remember the day when i was about 4 years old. right then and there i had two choices: straight or gay. i chose straight and so far it's worked for me. on a serious note now, you have to be out of your mind. if it really were that easy, do you think there would be more gay people or less gay people? come on, think for a second.
No one chooses to be hated. No one chooses to have their families, friends and society hate them. People are born with a "gay gene", it's in the brain and makes them look at sexuality different. People are born gay, transgender, bi sexual or straight. For those of you who disagree when did you chose to be straight, or black/white..., or male/female...
@meekintheweb can you please source some of your surveys? i googled it just now and the first piece of information i've found says that 47% of American's believe being gay is a choice, with 34% saying it's something you're born with and 19% saying they're unsure. Also, i was actually about to show some humility in this conversation until i read you're final sentence. honestly, what do you gain from being both condescending and pretentious?
tell me the exact moment in your life where you decided "hey, i'm going to be attracted to only women". i know for a fact that that moment isn't fresh in my mind. i couldn't tell you when i made my "choice" to be attracted to women, i just discovered i am. also, citing biblical passages will not help your cause if you want to actually convince rationally-thinking people that your claims are correct.
@AntichristComes I think that I shoult probably disclose upfront that I am a Buddhist, and so I don't believe in God or divine grace, so we can't use that as common ground in this discussion. I probably should have said that earlier, so my bad. My biggest objection to your argument would be that if a person is a homosexual simply by choice, then they should be able to change back by choice too.
as it is not wrong or weak to induldge in our weaknesses so long as we maintain the safety of ourselvesand those around us... i hope we can all just understand this one day
It's not my theory its a widely accepted theory by many psychologists, why do you think it always goes back to the mother and father with a psychologist every time someone has a sexual problem.
wow. I did not realize that those kids being bullied, kicked out of their homes, killed, depressed, and hated choose to be like that!! *sarcasm* this guy is a nut job plain and simple.
"Herman Caine's infidelity on the other hand was without a doubt, a choice." Perfect response. Ironic he's so worried about the "sanctity of marriage" when he can't put much importance into his own.
They should have asked him to talk about his choice to be straight. When he chose it, how he did it, I mean... Tell me how it's done and I'll choose to be straight too!
If someone thinks being gay is a choice, ask f they could see themselves having an intimate relationship with someone of the same sex. Ask them to imagine being witha person of the same gender; dates, kissing, sexual relations, long term, the whole deal. If, as I would imagine, they twist their face up and kick up a fuss about how disgusting that is, then point out that if they cannot choose to be gay, then nor can any other "heterosexual." If they get wood, then it's a whole other situation.
Being gay is not genetic or a choice, it's about how someone is raised. It's more of nurture than nature. If you study early child development and it's effect on sexuality, it is astounding, many theories starting from the great Freud
Mr Cain should explain the term DL(down low) a term very present in the black community especially amoung black men who live as heterosexuals but have gay sex
Being highly criticized and being physically lit on fire are two different things. If you think people would jump out of a plane for amusement if it risked being set ablaze by your community, you better be younger than 15 years old being this ridiculous.
That's my opinion, that's just my position. I'm just running for the President of the United States Office, you know not much, don't blame me for it. Just saying, duuuude
This can be answered from a psychological standpoint, bisexual woamn turning away from men because men are the aggressors. If a person has such a horrendous experience with something, the appropriate response is to avoid that same predicament. Do you have an example where a gay gentleman swaying to the direction of woman strictly? Better question, do you have any peer reviewed articles that you can bring to the table?
Well, it's nice to SAY that you won't let your personal beliefs get in the way of doing your job, but only a fool would think that's actually how the world works.
@wesstkilda how is he ignorant? because he believes differently? and how do you explain people who marry, have kids and YEARS down the line happen to turn out gay?
Ridiculous! If you were following the US Constitution and not your personal beliefs you would not bring back Dont Ask Dont Tell. It is a discriminatory practice to fire someone from a job for being gay even if youre employed by the military.
@AntichristComes But in Mathew 19 Jesus is talking on the subject of divorce between a man and his wife, so his talking about man and woman is atributible to the context of the Pharisees' question.
Who cares even if it is a choice? It's just a flavor. If I can choose what car I drive or what religion I subscribe to then why not who I love? I'm just tired of people using "It's a choice" as a reason to condemn it, and then others validating that argument by taking offense and feeling the need to disprove it. It shouldn't fucking matter in the first place.
To be fair, he does say 'if you show me the science I can be persuaded'. At least it's a far cry from blatant anti-intellectualism and denial of the possibility that it could be biologically determined. :) He's not my bag of tea but he's not the devil that some of you seem to think he is.
@AnakarayaRavenclaw there is nothing wrong with being gay or lesbian or bi or straight. Its a personal choice and its made for those very reasons personal. People are easy creatures to understand they can adapt to anything but will whether a storm only solong before they choose to go to the comfort they desire which is a desire based on choice just as a person born to racism is more likely to choose to be racist a person born to not fear this choice is more likely to find happiness by doing so
@AnakarayaRavenclaw not because they were brain washed and manipulated into it, but because people ultimately choose to be happy and if your happiest dealing with stress outside your personal life, which most of us know is just a fact of life, but being with a member of the same sex in it then thats how your happiest. if you think every gay and lesbian out there validate there choice by how others treat them you have downgraded them to nothing more than animals that live off instinct alone
reads these posts sees that im not trying to belittle anyone nor am i dismissing the amount of injustices and suffering the gays and lesbians have gone through i just also hope that people think for a second on how it is that people choose to be who they are... and alchoholics son(me) and alchoholic himself(my dad at one point) though geneticly weaker to the resistance of such an issue also have the choice my dad choose to quit cold turkey i choose not to start its not weak or wrong to do so
@meekintheweb are you disregarding the millions of gay rights activists who say they've chosen to be homosexual? (btw, the whole n***** approach could be classified as racism if you said it to him so no, you don't have the choice to be racist/discriminative without repercussions)
The question is not is it a choice ,the question is "Is it right"...we all have tendancies...liars,alchoholic,thieves,promiscuity,anger....doenst matter if we CHOOSE...what matters is what GOD calls SIN.There is no special pass for the sin of homosexuality.In order to escape Hell,u must turn ur back on that lifestyle and ur heart toward GOD.Its not that God hasnt made a WAY for us to be RESTORED,its that men LOVE the pleasure of SIN...Until the CONSEQUENCES
They have a point of view they are pushing, just ask Dr Keith Ablow. Do little reading of psychology theory in general starting from Freud before you discredit everything because it disagrees with your views
AMEN!!!! He's a CHEATER... And the Bible says that CHEATERS will not inherit the Kingdom of God.... But These Republicans NEVER seem to want to talk about their own sins.....
@AnakarayaRavenclaw hmmm... lets see i seem to remember a long long time ago way back in the 1940's people were how'd you put it "bullied, kicked out of their homes, killed, depressed, and hated" because they made the coice not to give up a religion so hmmm yeah i think people are willing to suffer what you are talking about as a choice not as a genetic defect... to be continued
@AnakarayaRavenclaw I completely support gays and lesbians racists and non racists, republicans and democrats, jews christians and islamic people in their right to be just that and will admit that though many people seem to be preordained to be that way just as many suffer through pain after pain heartache after heartche before making a choice to change and become happier for it... i applaud them for their willingness to change and hope all humans do one day... so i hope everyone who
It pretty much is based on genetics. And biology. Nothing to do with choice. Look up the variation in the Hypothalamus's lining thickness in the brain for the proof you knob.
Your correct. I'm not belittling you in anyway. Only God can judge me too, I'm not saying gay people are all going to hell. Idk their lives for all I know allot of them will be in heaven
Yea Its a stronger urge. lets say I love weed, yes I fucking love weed, but everywhere in USA we are being taught its bad for you ect, & its illegal so don't do it. I tried to stop smoking for my job but realized I still love weed & its hard for me to give it up.I can stop smoking weed altogether because I chose to smoke but it takes DISCIPLINE, same concept applies to homosexuals but way more HARDER to change.& that suicide stuff is because of bullying and rejection. Everyday we make choices
Of course people with homosexual compulsions dont choose that behavior. But just because someone is born with a behavior, that doesnt make it 'part of who they are' or something they should shape their decisions and identity over. If someone is born with crippling anxiety that affects their ability to lead a normal life, they should seek medical help. The exact same is true of those born with homosexual compulsions.
If he thinks being gay is a choice, that must mean he has homosexual urges that he _chooses_ not to act on. I am straight and engaging in gay sex is *NOT* an option for me. I don't think it's a choice but something that is natural.
I love Sherri's eye-roll at 0:03 when Joy interrupted her as she was about to speak lol
i sense evil from herman cain
Herman Cain = AWESOME!!!!
Did anyone else see Whoopi's expression while they were talking about Cain's beliefs? She was staring so blankly, it was chilling. :P
I can show him the SOCIAL Science that says being gay is not a choice. It is asking himself whether he chose his sexuality when he was a baby/fetus
@wesstkilda how does your sexual preference rather gay or straight has to do with your race? please explain this because this comment I hear often is very confusing to me. The color of my skin show where I originated from not the person I sleep with. I don't understand how the person we are attracted to has to deal with if you were born in africa or not so it's not the same thing
@AntichristComes But that's not really what I am talking about. I am interested in how you conclude that homosexuality is a choice. What is your basis for that position?
absolutely right. i remember the day when i was about 4 years old. right then and there i had two choices: straight or gay. i chose straight and so far it's worked for me.
on a serious note now, you have to be out of your mind. if it really were that easy, do you think there would be more gay people or less gay people? come on, think for a second.
I didnt choose to be gay, but Herman Cain chose to hate me.
This guy's a perfect example of what not to do to get nominated.
No one chooses to be hated. No one chooses to have their families, friends and society hate them. People are born with a "gay gene", it's in the brain and makes them look at sexuality different. People are born gay, transgender, bi sexual or straight. For those of you who disagree when did you chose to be straight, or black/white..., or male/female...
@meekintheweb can you please source some of your surveys? i googled it just now and the first piece of information i've found says that 47% of American's believe being gay is a choice, with 34% saying it's something you're born with and 19% saying they're unsure.
Also, i was actually about to show some humility in this conversation until i read you're final sentence. honestly, what do you gain from being both condescending and pretentious?
I never thought about it like that :D
tell me the exact moment in your life where you decided "hey, i'm going to be attracted to only women". i know for a fact that that moment isn't fresh in my mind. i couldn't tell you when i made my "choice" to be attracted to women, i just discovered i am. also, citing biblical passages will not help your cause if you want to actually convince rationally-thinking people that your claims are correct.
@AntichristComes I think that I shoult probably disclose upfront that I am a Buddhist, and so I don't believe in God or divine grace, so we can't use that as common ground in this discussion. I probably should have said that earlier, so my bad.
My biggest objection to your argument would be that if a person is a homosexual simply by choice, then they should be able to change back by choice too.
At least he said show me the science and then let's talk. Most of the people who hold his beliefs don't respond to reason.
as it is not wrong or weak to induldge in our weaknesses so long as we maintain the safety of ourselvesand those around us... i hope we can all just understand this one day
It's not my theory its a widely accepted theory by many psychologists, why do you think it always goes back to the mother and father with a psychologist every time someone has a sexual problem.
wow. I did not realize that those kids being bullied, kicked out of their homes, killed, depressed, and hated choose to be like that!! *sarcasm*
this guy is a nut job plain and simple.
if being gay was a choice being straight whould also be a choice
Exactly!
"Herman Caine's infidelity on the other hand was without a doubt, a choice."
Perfect response. Ironic he's so worried about the "sanctity of marriage" when he can't put much importance into his own.
science, disagress, you cant argue if its scientifically proven
If being gay is a choice, then why can't we let people have their choices and leave the politics out of it?
How can you have this kind of of onion unless you have walked in those shoes ? maybes his on the DL
They should have asked him to talk about his choice to be straight. When he chose it, how he did it, I mean... Tell me how it's done and I'll choose to be straight too!
lol tbh I think even if their grammar was right their argument still wouldn't make sense.
you can tell whoopi HATES him lol
Groping women is a choice. Being unfaithful to your wife is a choice.
If someone thinks being gay is a choice, ask f they could see themselves having an intimate relationship with someone of the same sex. Ask them to imagine being witha person of the same gender; dates, kissing, sexual relations, long term, the whole deal. If, as I would imagine, they twist their face up and kick up a fuss about how disgusting that is, then point out that if they cannot choose to be gay, then nor can any other "heterosexual." If they get wood, then it's a whole other situation.
OMG that is sooo exactly what I was going to write!
I'm gay I love you!
Amen !!!! This is part of who U are..... NOT A CHOICE !!!!! If there were an OFF switch for this BELIEVE ME alot of people would use it.....
Being gay is not genetic or a choice, it's about how someone is raised. It's more of nurture than nature. If you study early child development and it's effect on sexuality, it is astounding, many theories starting from the great Freud
Not BS its psychological theory, one example does not disprove a theory.
.....wait this guy ran for president?
ok, now discuss why the Bible should be considered a credible source the government should cite for how it's run
Mr Cain should explain the term DL(down low) a term very present in the black community especially amoung black men who live as heterosexuals but have gay sex
actions influence your dreams/thoughts btw
He already said he supported the reimplementation of DADT. This position alone tells me he WOULD govern based on his personal opinion.
Being highly criticized and being physically lit on fire are two different things. If you think people would jump out of a plane for amusement if it risked being set ablaze by your community, you better be younger than 15 years old being this ridiculous.
Hermain Cain, it's called "The gay gene" google it.
I don't know how I can't respond to That Boy Flash! The likely scenario is he turned off direct replies to stay ignorant.
I guess he won't look fabulous in those suits he wears anymore.
That's my opinion, that's just my position. I'm just running for the President of the United States Office, you know not much, don't blame me for it. Just saying, duuuude
This can be answered from a psychological standpoint, bisexual woamn turning away from men because men are the aggressors. If a person has such a horrendous experience with something, the appropriate response is to avoid that same predicament. Do you have an example where a gay gentleman swaying to the direction of woman strictly? Better question, do you have any peer reviewed articles that you can bring to the table?
Well, it's nice to SAY that you won't let your personal beliefs get in the way of doing your job, but only a fool would think that's actually how the world works.
@wesstkilda how is he ignorant? because he believes differently? and how do you explain people who marry, have kids and YEARS down the line happen to turn out gay?
I agree 100%
Thank you for posting this, LGBTQNation.
Only an idiot would say it is a choice.
@ZOMGYouSmell But he would leave it to the states to decide individually on gay marriage and abortion, because he believes in the Constitution.
Yeah! Go crazy Cain go! Looking like fool with your pants on the ground!
@AnakarayaRavenclaw i mean, is it rocket science? apparently to Herman Cain it is.
to be gay is a choise actully stop deny it.
no need for that. race is not a choice, of course it isn't. no one could properly argue that being gay is not a choice either
Haha i find it hilarious that the top comments are is ignorant as a child thinking the toothfairy is real
Go back to selling your pizza.
Ridiculous! If you were following the US Constitution and not your personal beliefs you would not bring back Dont Ask Dont Tell. It is a discriminatory practice to fire someone from a job for being gay even if youre employed by the military.
@AntichristComes But in Mathew 19 Jesus is talking on the subject of divorce between a man and his wife, so his talking about man and woman is atributible to the context of the Pharisees' question.
if being gay isn't choice than to all those gay teens who committed suicide didn't have a choice to commit suicide?
Who cares even if it is a choice? It's just a flavor. If I can choose what car I drive or what religion I subscribe to then why not who I love?
I'm just tired of people using "It's a choice" as a reason to condemn it, and then others validating that argument by taking offense and feeling the need to disprove it. It shouldn't fucking matter in the first place.
@xanderslover
exactly. this guy was a joke... just a scapegoat so republicans can say they aren't racist.
To be fair, he does say 'if you show me the science I can be persuaded'. At least it's a far cry from blatant anti-intellectualism and denial of the possibility that it could be biologically determined. :) He's not my bag of tea but he's not the devil that some of you seem to think he is.
then she was never straight.
he said he'll listen to the science when it proves otherwise? ill bet he believes the noah put 2 of every animal on one boat
@AnakarayaRavenclaw there is nothing wrong with being gay or lesbian or bi or straight. Its a personal choice and its made for those very reasons personal. People are easy creatures to understand they can adapt to anything but will whether a storm only solong before they choose to go to the comfort they desire which is a desire based on choice just as a person born to racism is more likely to choose to be racist a person born to not fear this choice is more likely to find happiness by doing so
Best comment ever!
@AnakarayaRavenclaw not because they were brain washed and manipulated into it, but because people ultimately choose to be happy and if your happiest dealing with stress outside your personal life, which most of us know is just a fact of life, but being with a member of the same sex in it then thats how your happiest. if you think every gay and lesbian out there validate there choice by how others treat them you have downgraded them to nothing more than animals that live off instinct alone
Curiosity, bi sexual, lying to themselves...
reads these posts sees that im not trying to belittle anyone nor am i dismissing the amount of injustices and suffering the gays and lesbians have gone through i just also hope that people think for a second on how it is that people choose to be who they are... and alchoholics son(me) and alchoholic himself(my dad at one point) though geneticly weaker to the resistance of such an issue also have the choice my dad choose to quit cold turkey i choose not to start its not weak or wrong to do so
@Truth77Absolute Thank you.
0:45 classic argument from ignorance right there
@meekintheweb are you disregarding the millions of gay rights activists who say they've chosen to be homosexual?
(btw, the whole n***** approach could be classified as racism if you said it to him so no, you don't have the choice to be racist/discriminative without repercussions)
He doesn't agree with abortion in rape/incest cases? I just... Ugh.
I'm a hypocrite yet you claim to follow the good word by spewing hateful and judgmental ideals?... hahahahaha
So that means McCain is attracted to men and chose to be with a woman.
Herman Cain is awesome!
The question is not is it a choice ,the question is "Is it right"...we all have tendancies...liars,alchoholic,thieves,promiscuity,anger....doenst matter if we CHOOSE...what matters is what GOD calls SIN.There is no special pass for the sin of homosexuality.In order to escape Hell,u must turn ur back on that lifestyle and ur heart toward GOD.Its not that God hasnt made a WAY for us to be RESTORED,its that men LOVE the pleasure of SIN...Until the CONSEQUENCES
@AntichristComes
Totally agree!
They have a point of view they are pushing, just ask Dr Keith Ablow. Do little reading of psychology theory in general starting from Freud before you discredit everything because it disagrees with your views
yes because she's a lesbian. So the shoe fit her.
whats wrong with you people? this is america your free to be w/e it is you want to be what gives any of you the right to judge someones way of life
AMEN!!!! He's a CHEATER... And the Bible says that CHEATERS will not inherit the Kingdom of God.... But These Republicans NEVER seem to want to talk about their own sins.....
Eh science and biology do not agree with you... I respect your right to hold that opinion nontheless.
Even if it WAS a choice (it's about as much as a choice as being black is). What business is it of his OR the state - petes sake
This man is a lost cause
@AnakarayaRavenclaw hmmm... lets see i seem to remember a long long time ago way back in the 1940's people were how'd you put it "bullied, kicked out of their homes, killed, depressed, and hated" because they made the coice not to give up a religion so hmmm yeah i think people are willing to suffer what you are talking about as a choice not as a genetic defect... to be continued
@AnakarayaRavenclaw I completely support gays and lesbians racists and non racists, republicans and democrats, jews christians and islamic people in their right to be just that and will admit that though many people seem to be preordained to be that way just as many suffer through pain after pain heartache after heartche before making a choice to change and become happier for it... i applaud them for their willingness to change and hope all humans do one day... so i hope everyone who
no choice, you just are. simple stuff.
It pretty much is based on genetics. And biology. Nothing to do with choice. Look up the variation in the Hypothalamus's lining thickness in the brain for the proof you knob.
@eviie71 Exactly! Someone who is smart
Your correct. I'm not belittling you in anyway. Only God can judge me too, I'm not saying gay people are all going to hell. Idk their lives for all I know allot of them will be in heaven
you make absolutely no sense, please make arguments that people can actually understand
When can we get you to mind your own business?
Yea Its a stronger urge. lets say I love weed, yes I fucking love weed, but everywhere in USA we are being taught its bad for you ect, & its illegal so don't do it. I tried to stop smoking for my job but realized I still love weed & its hard for me to give it up.I can stop smoking weed altogether because I chose to smoke but it takes DISCIPLINE, same concept applies to homosexuals but way more HARDER to change.& that suicide stuff is because of bullying and rejection. Everyday we make choices
Of course people with homosexual compulsions dont choose that behavior. But just because someone is born with a behavior, that doesnt make it 'part of who they are' or something they should shape their decisions and identity over. If someone is born with crippling anxiety that affects their ability to lead a normal life, they should seek medical help. The exact same is true of those born with homosexual compulsions.
Herman McCain needs to go somewhere and be quit after all the dirt he's created lol...McCain learn to keep your zipper up bro
Liz is such a babe
Typical GQP know nothing.
RIP Herman.