Worst thing Frankie did getting involved with her she could have gone out with friends and leave Star with family who adored her just shows the chaos one person can create
They did let Star down. There should have been an investigation into the handling of the case. But even those reporting it said to not make it another 'baby p' safeguarding fail. What worried me was that Star was examined by doctors after a surprise inspection by social workers and they concluded the injuries could have been accidental. Doesn't take an expert to consider all the reports of concern alongside those injuries.
What shocks me is that this social worker Frankie kept putting off CONGENIALLY LET HER KEEP PUTTING APPOINTMENTS OFF. Frankie was stalling for time, probably because she was waiting for Star's bruises to heal/disappear before presenting her to a social worker. And this daft social worker should have REALIZED that immediately. Surprise visits need to happen more often, and in the face of FAR less evidence than these two racked up.
My mother was 16 when she had my brother and 24 by the time she had all four of us . My mum suffered postnatal depression and bipolar and still didn't do what these vile evil women did PERIOD 😞 NO EXCUSE. My mother also came from a dysfunctional family also ,no excuse for what they did 😢😮R.I.P Star ✨
The mother was clearly detached from her daughter and lacked maternal instincts from the beginning. I wonder if she suffered postpartum depression and never got help. The difference was at least Star had her mom’s family to look after her. Savannah clearly saw the opportunity to let out her rage on a defenseless child, knowing her mother was impressionable and too detached to intervene-even got her to participate in taunting her own child. This story is absolutely gut-wrenching!
Frankie’s comes from a dysfunctional family they have problems with drinking and drugs . She felt betrayed and abandoned when’s stars father cheated on her with her friend, Frankie was drinking and neglecting star because she was depressed seeing her ex boyfriend from high school on and off I don’t think it was postpartum , she wasn’t feeling loved , Savannah offered her a false love but she still guilty for not protecting her daughter
Frankie and her mum were very alcohol orientated. Frankie's mum was more like a friend to her, going out and getting drunk all the time. A friend of the family, Holly was left to pick up the pieces and seemed to be the only female in little Stars life who cared, looked after her and was first on call when the pair wanted to go out on the town.
So here's what I think. I DO think she loved her daughter, despite being abusive. Most abusers love the people they hurt, otherwise, they'd simply abandon them. I don't doubt that Frankie abused Star, she says as much in her texts and the videos she took. She made a crying baby stand in the corner for 20 minutes. She took videos of herself screaming at her baby to startle her awake, then laughed about it. But here's what I think happened. She prioritized her love life, that's clear, and for a lot of complex reasons. She did whatever Brockhill told her to do. Initially, she was afraid of going to social services for help because she was scared she'd lose Star, which she SHOULD HAVE until she was able to be a functional parent. I think it got to a point where she kept refusing an audience with the social worker trying to help her and Star because, in her mind, it had gone too far. She kept waiting for the bruises to heal before speaking with authorities, but that poor baby got fresh ones regularly, so that time never came. I think she avoided the whole thing. She avoided leaving Brockhill, she avoided taking Star to be safe with her parents and grandparents, she avoided seeing the social worker, who made EVERY attempt to meet her. This was just a terrible procrastination that was so bad it was neglectful. She clearly doesn't think ahead and plan for future events. She appears to just kind of drift through life. She thought she could fix everything on her own, and, given that she had an IQ of about 70, and that people with even double that IQ struggle to navigate abuse, that would never have worked. There are so many exit strategies that were HANDED to her, but she was too daft to take them and didn't have the good sense to realize that.
Oh, may I just add another profile of domestic abuse? And it's one that a lot of people don't realize because there is no clear sense of aggression or violence involved. When someone is loving, caring, doting, and appearing to be fully functional in the relationship until they get upset. And, instead of yelling, screaming, becoming violent, or threatening to do so, they do one of two things that a lot of people don't recognize as being abuse. They either go radio silent and refuse to speak to the other person (and if they do, they're cold and distant) and refuse to communicate that they need time to process. Some people DO need time to themselves to process their feelings and thoughts. I'm one of those people. But I always calm down and communicate that. Just give me a few days to think. I love you, but I just need a bit of space for a minute. That's not what they're doing. They don't need space. They're pulling a disappearing act to punish you, hoping that, by the time they reappear, you'll be so turned around and worried that you'll just comply with whatever. Or they do the exact opposite and start threatening THEIR OWN safety. "Please don't leave me, I'll kill myself" - this is powerful, powerful control right there. And most people don't realize that it's a form of abuse. I don't think I need to go into any nuance here, except to say that if you are LEGITIMATELY feeling thoughts of suicide, and confide in your loved one, that's perfectly ok. But to use that as a weapon and a means of control, that's beyond despicable. Doesn't matter if you don't say one nasty or wrong word. That is one of the worst forms of psychological abuse that there is. I've been through that one, the latter. It is terrifying and devastating and horrifically crippling. And you truly feel as if you CANNOT leave, because you literally hold someone's life in your very hands (You don't, but that's the feeling). I had to go through some extensive work to overcome this kind of abuse. It still affects me to this day. And, judging from the tone of some of the messages, I suspect that both Brockhill and Smith were employing both of these tactics and beyond with one another.
Brockhill came from a traveling family. I'm not saying anything against traveling culture, of course, but Savannah and her family should be PAINFULLY aware of the unfairness of class structure because of how shunned their people have been in history.
I can't blame Star for throwing chocolate into the ground after her so called mother Frankie given it to her. The impact must had been so hard it would had made a dent into the ground like a comet. Frankie failed and abused her precious beautiful big blue eyes baby...poor little soul. R.I.P.
Star is one of the most beautiful little children I've ever seen. Now, no child deserves anything less than neverending love, protection, and affection from their caregivers, and it's equally heartbreaking when any child is abused and tormented the way little Star was. But I mean, to add to that, how could you not look in that child's angelic and beautiful little face and not want to shower her with kisses and cuddles, even if you don't normally like kids? That beautiful, funny, and clever little baby elicits nothing but the desire to make sure she knows she's precious, special, and loved. If I had been her caregiver, I'd have moved mountains every day just to hear her laugh. I just don't get how anyone could look at this little cherub and feel scorn or rage. Or could stand to see her cry in pain. Hell, when my child cries (7 yo at the time of writing this) it still destroys my soul when she is sad or hurting. I could never imagine being the cause of that hurt. Even moments when she's just sat talking to her toys, I feel humbled that I have the privilege of being her mother. How did I ever get so lucky? I just don't understand it.
I’ve read some articles stating that Frankie had an iq of 70 which is very much below average, and in fact, if she scored 1 point lower (69) she would be considered to have a mild intellectual disability which is equivalent to having the cognitive ability of about a 12 year old. That being said, I am not condoning or making excuses for Frankie as even 12 year olds have a sense of right and wrong and the fact that she still played a role in her daughter’s death. I’m just saying there’s no doubt her low intelligence played a role in her being easily controlled and manipulated by Savannah who seems very narcissistic and sadistic. This story is just so sad all around but I’m glad Star is finally safe from all the abuse from her evil, toxic, abusive and horrible excuses of “parents”. RIP Star ⭐️💛
I remember reading she had a low IQ. She was certainly very immature for her age. Unfortunately, this made it easier for Savannah to control and manipulate her. But I also agree that she knew the difference between right and wrong and those around her knew that poor baby was at risk. This was a needless death and I hope at the very least, lessons have been learned and protocols changed.
@@CrimePsychNO EXCUSE 😔 There are many many parents with very low IQ and don't do this ,and keep mentioning low IQ makes it's bad for all the many good parents with low IQ ,also it puts labels on people,so it makes it much easier for social services to remove children from people who have low IQ ,and that alone is sickening 😡 and it happens alot unfortunately as I know this through personal experience 😢😮
When Frankie refers to "It" - as in "It threw itself in front of a bunch of boys", is she referring to Star? As It? The reason I'm not certain is because, typically, she refers to Star either by her name, or as "she", from what I can see. If she is using "it" to refer to the baby, she's clearly not made that a habit, but the use of that pronoun is concerning. And confusing.
@@CrimePsychoh I don't know my Dad and I tried to change my sisters babies nappy. The baby was wearing a romper suit with zips. It took ages, neither of us had a clue?!?
Stars dad did care but was shunned out of the family because Frankie rebuffed his help, desperate cries for his daughter. Being young and naive he didn't know what to do
just a small thing but the background during your talk is very off putting. Could you not have some nice pot plants instead of diagrams and haphazard books?
Worst thing Frankie did getting involved with her she could have gone out with friends and leave Star with family who adored her just shows the chaos one person can create
Social care is responsible as well. They got reports..that the child was abused..and neglected. They deserve to be fired.
They did let Star down. There should have been an investigation into the handling of the case. But even those reporting it said to not make it another 'baby p' safeguarding fail. What worried me was that Star was examined by doctors after a surprise inspection by social workers and they concluded the injuries could have been accidental. Doesn't take an expert to consider all the reports of concern alongside those injuries.
Some of them deserve to be held complicit.
What shocks me is that this social worker Frankie kept putting off CONGENIALLY LET HER KEEP PUTTING APPOINTMENTS OFF. Frankie was stalling for time, probably because she was waiting for Star's bruises to heal/disappear before presenting her to a social worker. And this daft social worker should have REALIZED that immediately. Surprise visits need to happen more often, and in the face of FAR less evidence than these two racked up.
My mother was 16 when she had my brother and 24 by the time she had all four of us . My mum suffered postnatal depression and bipolar and still didn't do what these vile evil women did PERIOD 😞 NO EXCUSE. My mother also came from a dysfunctional family also ,no excuse for what they did 😢😮R.I.P Star ✨
I agree.
Frankie is the mother she was so evil with her daughter this woman is 100 guilty
Was constantly going to the pub, willing to leave Star with anyone. At least no access to alcohol in the prison.
@@Bogna1 I agree
Why didn't her baby's father ever try for joint custody.
He was in university, you see. He didn’t do a fraction of what he and his family could have.
@@BeckBeckGono excuse he and his family let star down.
The mother was clearly detached from her daughter and lacked maternal instincts from the beginning. I wonder if she suffered postpartum depression and never got help. The difference was at least Star had her mom’s family to look after her. Savannah clearly saw the opportunity to let out her rage on a defenseless child, knowing her mother was impressionable and too detached to intervene-even got her to participate in taunting her own child. This story is absolutely gut-wrenching!
It breaks my heart to think of what Star went through. She suffered, despite people tying to look out for her.
Frankie’s comes from a dysfunctional family they have problems with drinking and drugs . She felt betrayed and abandoned when’s stars father cheated on her with her friend, Frankie was drinking and neglecting star because she was depressed seeing her ex boyfriend from high school on and off
I don’t think it was postpartum , she wasn’t feeling loved , Savannah offered her a false love but she still guilty for not protecting her daughter
Frankie and her mum were very alcohol orientated. Frankie's mum was more like a friend to her, going out and getting drunk all the time. A friend of the family, Holly was left to pick up the pieces and seemed to be the only female in little Stars life who cared, looked after her and was first on call when the pair wanted to go out on the town.
So here's what I think. I DO think she loved her daughter, despite being abusive. Most abusers love the people they hurt, otherwise, they'd simply abandon them. I don't doubt that Frankie abused Star, she says as much in her texts and the videos she took. She made a crying baby stand in the corner for 20 minutes. She took videos of herself screaming at her baby to startle her awake, then laughed about it.
But here's what I think happened. She prioritized her love life, that's clear, and for a lot of complex reasons. She did whatever Brockhill told her to do. Initially, she was afraid of going to social services for help because she was scared she'd lose Star, which she SHOULD HAVE until she was able to be a functional parent. I think it got to a point where she kept refusing an audience with the social worker trying to help her and Star because, in her mind, it had gone too far. She kept waiting for the bruises to heal before speaking with authorities, but that poor baby got fresh ones regularly, so that time never came. I think she avoided the whole thing. She avoided leaving Brockhill, she avoided taking Star to be safe with her parents and grandparents, she avoided seeing the social worker, who made EVERY attempt to meet her. This was just a terrible procrastination that was so bad it was neglectful. She clearly doesn't think ahead and plan for future events. She appears to just kind of drift through life. She thought she could fix everything on her own, and, given that she had an IQ of about 70, and that people with even double that IQ struggle to navigate abuse, that would never have worked. There are so many exit strategies that were HANDED to her, but she was too daft to take them and didn't have the good sense to realize that.
This is not a psychological analysis. The facts of the case are merely being reiterated, which are already known.
She makes loads of pcychological observations and references. Whilst recounting the narrative.
She can’t diagnose two people she’s never met or treated.
I think Smith was more smart than people think she lied to social service.
Oh, may I just add another profile of domestic abuse? And it's one that a lot of people don't realize because there is no clear sense of aggression or violence involved. When someone is loving, caring, doting, and appearing to be fully functional in the relationship until they get upset. And, instead of yelling, screaming, becoming violent, or threatening to do so, they do one of two things that a lot of people don't recognize as being abuse. They either go radio silent and refuse to speak to the other person (and if they do, they're cold and distant) and refuse to communicate that they need time to process. Some people DO need time to themselves to process their feelings and thoughts. I'm one of those people. But I always calm down and communicate that. Just give me a few days to think. I love you, but I just need a bit of space for a minute. That's not what they're doing. They don't need space. They're pulling a disappearing act to punish you, hoping that, by the time they reappear, you'll be so turned around and worried that you'll just comply with whatever.
Or they do the exact opposite and start threatening THEIR OWN safety. "Please don't leave me, I'll kill myself" - this is powerful, powerful control right there. And most people don't realize that it's a form of abuse. I don't think I need to go into any nuance here, except to say that if you are LEGITIMATELY feeling thoughts of suicide, and confide in your loved one, that's perfectly ok. But to use that as a weapon and a means of control, that's beyond despicable. Doesn't matter if you don't say one nasty or wrong word. That is one of the worst forms of psychological abuse that there is. I've been through that one, the latter. It is terrifying and devastating and horrifically crippling. And you truly feel as if you CANNOT leave, because you literally hold someone's life in your very hands (You don't, but that's the feeling). I had to go through some extensive work to overcome this kind of abuse. It still affects me to this day.
And, judging from the tone of some of the messages, I suspect that both Brockhill and Smith were employing both of these tactics and beyond with one another.
1st time watching your video & I love it👍 I definitely subscribed 🤗
You love a video that describes the horrific murder of a baby?! Maybe not the most appropriate words
Thank you.
Excellent as always.
Mixing with "lower class". No comment. Like she was intellectual herself with great career.
@@barneyronnie ???????!!!!!!
Brockhill came from a traveling family. I'm not saying anything against traveling culture, of course, but Savannah and her family should be PAINFULLY aware of the unfairness of class structure because of how shunned their people have been in history.
As an aggressive and predatory lesbian, Brockhill will be living in heaven for the next 25 years.
I can't blame Star for throwing chocolate into the ground after her so called mother Frankie given it to her. The impact must had been so hard it would had made a dent into the ground like a comet. Frankie failed and abused her precious beautiful big blue eyes baby...poor little soul. R.I.P.
It is so heartbreaking. Anyone decent and good would have wanted that sweet baby.
Star is one of the most beautiful little children I've ever seen. Now, no child deserves anything less than neverending love, protection, and affection from their caregivers, and it's equally heartbreaking when any child is abused and tormented the way little Star was. But I mean, to add to that, how could you not look in that child's angelic and beautiful little face and not want to shower her with kisses and cuddles, even if you don't normally like kids? That beautiful, funny, and clever little baby elicits nothing but the desire to make sure she knows she's precious, special, and loved. If I had been her caregiver, I'd have moved mountains every day just to hear her laugh. I just don't get how anyone could look at this little cherub and feel scorn or rage. Or could stand to see her cry in pain. Hell, when my child cries (7 yo at the time of writing this) it still destroys my soul when she is sad or hurting. I could never imagine being the cause of that hurt. Even moments when she's just sat talking to her toys, I feel humbled that I have the privilege of being her mother. How did I ever get so lucky?
I just don't understand it.
@@BeckBeckGo Star is a adorable munchkin. They are vile sadist. Frankie is no better. They were jealous of her beauty.
@@MastersGraduate2023I think they were Jelous of star.
Nobody on earth could make me bully or hurt my child.
I’ve read some articles stating that Frankie had an iq of 70 which is very much below average, and in fact, if she scored 1 point lower (69) she would be considered to have a mild intellectual disability which is equivalent to having the cognitive ability of about a 12 year old. That being said, I am not condoning or making excuses for Frankie as even 12 year olds have a sense of right and wrong and the fact that she still played a role in her daughter’s death. I’m just saying there’s no doubt her low intelligence played a role in her being easily controlled and manipulated by Savannah who seems very narcissistic and sadistic. This story is just so sad all around but I’m glad Star is finally safe from all the abuse from her evil, toxic, abusive and horrible excuses of “parents”. RIP Star ⭐️💛
I remember reading she had a low IQ. She was certainly very immature for her age. Unfortunately, this made it easier for Savannah to control and manipulate her. But I also agree that she knew the difference between right and wrong and those around her knew that poor baby was at risk. This was a needless death and I hope at the very least, lessons have been learned and protocols changed.
@@CrimePsychNO EXCUSE 😔 There are many many parents with very low IQ and don't do this ,and keep mentioning low IQ makes it's bad for all the many good parents with low IQ ,also it puts labels on people,so it makes it much easier for social services to remove children from people who have low IQ ,and that alone is sickening 😡 and it happens alot unfortunately as I know this through personal experience 😢😮
Mother is the worst one out the tow she allowed it to happen.
Learn to spell ,it's two not tow ha ha ha
@@deanbarrington4637 Her love life was prioritized. She knew Savannah was an abuser.
When Frankie refers to "It" - as in "It threw itself in front of a bunch of boys", is she referring to Star? As It? The reason I'm not certain is because, typically, she refers to Star either by her name, or as "she", from what I can see. If she is using "it" to refer to the baby, she's clearly not made that a habit, but the use of that pronoun is concerning. And confusing.
Her mother joined in with the torture she was just as evil.
What is dry drowning.
It doesn't take experience..to change a baby's dirty diaper.
Correct, but it does take a sense of responsibility, which she lacked. I was a mother at 18 and nobody had to tell me to change a diaper.
@@CrimePsychoh I don't know my Dad and I tried to change my sisters babies nappy. The baby was wearing a romper suit with zips. It took ages, neither of us had a clue?!?
It does to do it safely, particularly with a girl, as feces need to be kept away from the vagina.
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Stars dad did care but was shunned out of the family because Frankie rebuffed his help, desperate cries for his daughter. Being young and naive he didn't know what to do
Family and family court are two distinct entities. Why did he not take her to court for custody?
just a small thing but the background during your talk is very off putting. Could you not have some nice pot plants instead of diagrams and haphazard books?