You can use MUtility's latency delay to compensate for any m4l device delay by sandwiching the device between an MUtility that delays the signal, then another MUtility that compensates for the delay, and macro the parameters.
Plug-in makers hate him! This is genius. But damn my brain can barely keep up, I've only had Ableton for a little over a month and learned so much so fast. You're the man Val
For anyone who is looking for an FL studio alternative, Frank Pole has a FREE patcher effect called Smoothe that also tries to be like Soothe, solid tool.
Right? It's like creating a bus in Pro Tools but with the benefit of applying it in between inserts. It would be nice if they made a dedicated device for this.
Jus commenting to boost engagement I never want these vids to stop. I remember watching VR tutorials and streams almost 10 years ago. Feels like old times :)
Don't worry the EQ compensation is not hacky and neither is the delay, that's literally what happens inside actual VSTs. You're actually doing everything the way you should, the only difference is that VSTs are optimized at a fundamental level to do one specific thing and (SHOULD) use less CPU as a consequence
Damn bro, I've been self taught Fruity Loops Studio for 10+ years. Honestly Ableton is hard for me to understand, but I love it's frequency shifter. Totally unmatched compared to all plugins. (Yes I've tested them, they dull and phase shift your sound usually by default)!
its so inspirational for me as a music producer! Ableton is just one of the best music producecing applications. My transition from FL to ableton was, interesting... What you can make with ableton is SOOO amazing. Its like a fully reprogrammable music production device. AND you can use it as dj program for live performance. I heard that bitwig is nicer for this like of stuff if you want to have EVERYTHING to control it. I appreciate your work and music you made, much love and respect
dude the way you seem to understand everything and how they interact with each other is incredible. if you were to ever do a video series on what are the most important fundamental knowledge and techniques are for Ableton or making music in a daw, it would be huge for me
your understanding of sound is just incredible. you itch the part of my brain that always wonders but doesnt have enough background knowledge to break down as well as you do
As one of the exclusive FL users, the chain select video looked so cool but i couldn’t make it work in Patcher without it being a complete pain to set up… so I actually slapped together a VST that recreates the chain select and works in any DAW
Alright this is insane. I keep getting your videos recommended in my sidebar but after this one I can't not subscribe and risk missing any video you ever make ever again
I've known of your existence since I saw your studio time vids and a video of you explaining your comeup and how you studied in Mannheim (literally random facts I remember form being a little 14yr old very inspired boy) and you never fail to inspire me even if i've moved to other genres and in general grown up. I still love your sound, the fact that you still explain sound design to us plebs and you never fail to fascinate me with your ideas! Thanks for all that has been and all that will.
I really hope vst software companies out there get in touch with Val, I'm sure he'll have tonnes of great ideas like these that could be cleaned up into amazing new software, awesome video as always!!
I am so excited to see VR play with BitWig! I feel like he's gonna have a blast playing with all the modulators. Especially since he used Ableton he'll already know how to use it.
A nerd is someone who's life is focused on computers and technology; but a geek is someone who's life is focused on computers and technology and likes it that way
omg! last night I was literally making a soothe-ish clone in bitwig's grid and was soon going to make a video about it. treemonster -> FX grid with the zero crossings module -> modulator out modulating a notch filter's frequency. then used some envelope followers to control the gain reduction. then duplicated the chain into 8 band regions. it seems to work really well so far!!! but big cpu usage.
I love this technique! I would try using the eq in mid side mode and only substract frequencies in the mid channel. That way the mixes changes less but still have the benefits
one thing i've found handy for the delay on the envelope followers recently is using MUtility, which has an option to set delay and then optionally report it as latency! so you can just link up two of those to a macro and have the thing the envelope follower is applying to between them and then it works like really easy lookahead (and its extra nice since i think track negative delay in ableton causes all synced effects like auto pans in the project to be desynced) really enjoying the videos, especially all of the more complex racks, seeing them has given me so many ideas of what's possible with the rack tools that I didn't really know about before! so far I've made a like "microdynamics enhancer" and a couple variants of a multiband pan centering thing since I find myself manually MSpectralPanning hihats to the center on breaks and stuff all the time lmao
remember doing this a while back in fl, definitely possible just kinda an eyesore, especially if you hate looking at wires on wires on wires. But nothing compares to the granular device I made using 16 instances of emergence, 2 stereo streams each, pitch linked to midi note, velocity to grain size and volume, etc.
it's a respectable effort to recreate soothe with free tools only and it sounds great as well. however it should be mentioned that soothe2 has a great cpu performance, especially compared to soothe1, because that's often overlooked in these kinda suggestions. sure you can substitute the effect and its workflow a bit but knowing that it kills your cpu to do that too much makes you hesitate on applying the effect. that's why i'm glad i have soothe2. also it has internal lookahead and all that, already reacting to transients before they appear. you could surely set that up in bitwig or ableton as well, but it would only make your rack even longer and harder to understand. i'd say racks like this are a great starting point to find out if you like such effects and surely great practice for people who just love dsp and sounddesign, but at the end of the day, just chill and soothe2 when you make music :)
at that resolution, trackspacer would probably do pretty similarly, esp if you had it sidechained from an eq’d signal that you couldn’t hear. and it’s much cheaper
i’ve built something similar but routed the sidechain input using a compressor in monitoring mode post fx, super super useful!!! i also like delaying the wet chain pre eq to get a better attack, at the cost of nudging the track back by the same amount (edit nvm you did this later in the video lol)
Reminds me of when people started using dynamic EQ plugins some 10 years or more back and I just set Ableton's compressor assigned to very narrow and specific bandpass points. I also find the autofilter in Ableton tends to react faster than EQ8, and have used several of those in parallel over a mix each with their own compressor to give me a master or sound I needed. And if you're not mixing to another file or device (eg when I used DAT) just rendering will remove 99% of the latency/delay issues.
WAVES Trackspacer does this dynamic sidechain thing (with a much lower resolution and less eq adjusts though) and you can get it on sale for 30 bucks, definitely useful to tuck vox into big pads, i mainly use it for singer vocal demos, to mix them into an already mixed instrumental, works like a charm!
I definitely like your version better. Mainly because it is more aggressive and I am making melodic bass and dubstep. Soothe is also really nice, I might get it eventually but I think I would use it on more of my 128bpm tracks like electro or melodic electro.
Bro. I love you, but I am going to straight up steal THIS and the 'camera goes in the ableton tutorial zone' thing. Both of these ideas reeek of a wrinkly brain! Love you man!
Garage band kids, where are you now? 🔥 I remember listening to Virtual Riot music when I was in middle school a lot of Monstercat as well, and I decided I would like to learn how to make music. Time passed kind of stayed away from it. No, I have a job and I do Ableton live on the side. What about you?
The ingenuity in terms of how people find ways to engineer solutions to problems with the limited modularity of Ableton is really astounding! I was wondering if you could clarify one thing. When loading this rack, I get the following error: "Mapping unsuccessful: A parameter cannot be controlled by more than one controlling device." I am not sure what is triggering this error and if/how it might be affecting the usability of the rack. Have you experienced this or have any idea as to what could be causing this? Thank you again for developing and sharing such an intricate device!
We’re getting straight spoiled. These vids are GOLD ty ty ty
his undersandings of sound design is incredible. he should make an album
Lol
you're not gonna believe this...
@@basedsmoke591 whoosh!
@@mrstarforge3572wooosh on you aswell xDD
@@mrstarforge3572bro did not just unironically woosh someone in 2024
You can use MUtility's latency delay to compensate for any m4l device delay by sandwiching the device between an MUtility that delays the signal, then another MUtility that compensates for the delay, and macro the parameters.
had no idea you did youtube too, that is awesome.
love your music, especially with danyka nadeau. such a great combination. listen to it all the time!
youre too smart bro.
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
XDDDDDDDD
He's gonna help so many people get back into producing and feeling inspired with these videos
I'm def one of them lol
Same here 😅
Plug-in makers hate him! This is genius. But damn my brain can barely keep up, I've only had Ableton for a little over a month and learned so much so fast.
You're the man Val
For anyone who is looking for an FL studio alternative, Frank Pole has a FREE patcher effect called Smoothe that also tries to be like Soothe, solid tool.
🔥🔥🔥
I only use frank pole patcher plugins 😂 endless smile, soothe, rc20 😂😂 he’s dope
Thank you brother 🤙🏻
@@FrankPoleAYOOOOOOOO 😳😳😳 patcher goat is here
@@elchupacabra33🫡🫡🫡
He should make a video on mixdowns
Using the Gate effect's sidechain in monitoring mode, to trick Ableton into giving you a virtual patch-cable from anywhere to anywhere. Perfect
Right? It's like creating a bus in Pro Tools but with the benefit of applying it in between inserts. It would be nice if they made a dedicated device for this.
can also be achieved with m4l btw.
this is awesome! - also for the peeps looking into soothe, it is expensive BUT does have a rent to own option u just gotta contact support
This is huge 🫶
YES SOOTHE IS SO COOL
Jus commenting to boost engagement I never want these vids to stop. I remember watching VR tutorials and streams almost 10 years ago. Feels like old times :)
VR is literally doing gods work. every single video hes been pumping out is so inspirational. a true goat of the scene.
He is a person who helps many people and always works hard...
Who doesn't love a virtual riot?❤❤❤❤
Absolute goat
Valentin’s Day is coming soon. All hail Virtual Riot!
Homemade vsts are amazing.
I think i made a soothe type thing on my own too
this thumbnail is insane
Guten Morgen, gute nacht, heut hat mich Virtual Riot ins Bett gebracht
thank you vr for all the help with muisc and sound design knowledge
6 videos in a row woohoo!!
These videos are making me realize that I should really use Ableton more often. I mainly use Reaper but I own both, so why not?
Don't worry the EQ compensation is not hacky and neither is the delay, that's literally what happens inside actual VSTs. You're actually doing everything the way you should, the only difference is that VSTs are optimized at a fundamental level to do one specific thing and (SHOULD) use less CPU as a consequence
Super useful! Built something similar in Patcher and it saved my ass so many times!
HOLY CRAP I WAS LITERALLY JUST ABOUT TO BUY SOOTHE2 TODAY!!! THANK YOUUU VR!!!
Damn bro, I've been self taught Fruity Loops Studio for 10+ years. Honestly Ableton is hard for me to understand, but I love it's frequency shifter. Totally unmatched compared to all plugins. (Yes I've tested them, they dull and phase shift your sound usually by default)!
again, my hero!
its so inspirational for me as a music producer! Ableton is just one of the best music producecing applications. My transition from FL to ableton was, interesting... What you can make with ableton is SOOO amazing. Its like a fully reprogrammable music production device. AND you can use it as dj program for live performance. I heard that bitwig is nicer for this like of stuff if you want to have EVERYTHING to control it. I appreciate your work and music you made, much love and respect
dude the way you seem to understand everything and how they interact with each other is incredible. if you were to ever do a video series on what are the most important fundamental knowledge and techniques are for Ableton or making music in a daw, it would be huge for me
Ur a god bruh
your understanding of sound is just incredible. you itch the part of my brain that always wonders but doesnt have enough background knowledge to break down as well as you do
Me and my boi virtual riot going all out making plugin companies go broke one video at a time 🍻
🔥🔥🔥
This is truly the best gift. You have no idea how many times I rewatch your older studio time/tutorial vids. 💖💖 much love 😢💖💖
As one of the exclusive FL users, the chain select video looked so cool but i couldn’t make it work in Patcher without it being a complete pain to set up… so I actually slapped together a VST that recreates the chain select and works in any DAW
Frank Pole did a soothe clone in FL and it’s gold: ua-cam.com/video/M8a5la4pz_g/v-deo.htmlsi=8s3HJt1SQd4OCLoZ
You are literally the a gift that keeps on giving, thanks for sharing your knowledge homie
These videos are sooo inspiring and the value is immense! Thank you so much for everything Val! We love u!
Why am I starting to love these videos? They are just so awesome!
bro thanks for posting these racks and detailing your process absolute goat right here
UA-cam Music Tutorial Renaissance Happens Here
German Engineering at its finest!
Bro you're legitimately a genius
Alright this is insane. I keep getting your videos recommended in my sidebar but after this one I can't not subscribe and risk missing any video you ever make ever again
Thank toy for all these videos lately we love you 👑
I've known of your existence since I saw your studio time vids and a video of you explaining your comeup and how you studied in Mannheim (literally random facts I remember form being a little 14yr old very inspired boy) and you never fail to inspire me even if i've moved to other genres and in general grown up. I still love your sound, the fact that you still explain sound design to us plebs and you never fail to fascinate me with your ideas! Thanks for all that has been and all that will.
I really hope vst software companies out there get in touch with Val, I'm sure he'll have tonnes of great ideas like these that could be cleaned up into amazing new software, awesome video as always!!
Thank you for putting it for ALL for free ! Thanks Valentin for this Valentine’s gift 💝
Bought soothe at black friday price. It has more than saved my time to make up for its price. Love the can opener preset on the master.
WE SAVING MONEY WITH THIS ONE 🔥🔥🔥
I'm just extremely impressed you figured this out by yourself. Mind is blown
I’m gonna try and recreate this in FL using Patcher. I’ve been screwing around with Patcher a lot for the past year or two, so i think i can do it
A guy called Frank Pole already created a clone of soothe in FL Studio 🫡 guy’s a genius
Search for “frank pole” on UA-cam, you’ll find his patcher clone of soothe for FL Studio. Cheers!
Frank pole already did it, go check it out. Thank me later 😉
Bro you are such a legend, truly a golden gem for everyone right now
I am so excited to see VR play with BitWig! I feel like he's gonna have a blast playing with all the modulators. Especially since he used Ableton he'll already know how to use it.
thank you very much !
A nerd is someone who's life is focused on computers and technology; but a geek is someone who's life is focused on computers and technology and likes it that way
Happy Valentine's Day Val! You are the best
omg! last night I was literally making a soothe-ish clone in bitwig's grid and was soon going to make a video about it. treemonster -> FX grid with the zero crossings module -> modulator out modulating a notch filter's frequency. then used some envelope followers to control the gain reduction. then duplicated the chain into 8 band regions. it seems to work really well so far!!! but big cpu usage.
My man is on a release streak . I can’t handle I’ve been so freaking expired the past week because of all of these 😎😁 Thanks Valentin
You are incredibly smart and talented, and its just a bonus that you are willing to share this with us for free
I love this technique! I would try using the eq in mid side mode and only substract frequencies in the mid channel. That way the mixes changes less but still have the benefits
Du bist eine verdammte Legende! Hab zur Zeit sehr mit mir gekämpft, ob ich mir soothe2 gönne oder nicht. Perfect timing 👌
Soon, VR will appear in the Ableton development team
We have soothe at home, is something i never thought i wish to hear someday
I can't wait to buy your VR BITWIGS RACKS & Amazing stuff 🤩
one thing i've found handy for the delay on the envelope followers recently is using MUtility, which has an option to set delay and then optionally report it as latency! so you can just link up two of those to a macro and have the thing the envelope follower is applying to between them and then it works like really easy lookahead (and its extra nice since i think track negative delay in ableton causes all synced effects like auto pans in the project to be desynced)
really enjoying the videos, especially all of the more complex racks, seeing them has given me so many ideas of what's possible with the rack tools that I didn't really know about before! so far I've made a like "microdynamics enhancer" and a couple variants of a multiband pan centering thing since I find myself manually MSpectralPanning hihats to the center on breaks and stuff all the time lmao
remember doing this a while back in fl, definitely possible just kinda an eyesore, especially if you hate looking at wires on wires on wires. But nothing compares to the granular device I made using 16 instances of emergence, 2 stereo streams each, pitch linked to midi note, velocity to grain size and volume, etc.
I think I'm gonna start music production because of you
soothe is so over-hyped, nice to see your alternative
We finally got what we wanted Virtual Riot daily videos 🎉🎉 The world is not ready for this😂🎉
Dude you are seriously the best. THANK YOU
Been following you since I was younger, please more studio time ✌🏽💜
best ableton salesman
Man literally built soothe. We must obey all his commands at this point
Thank you VR for the constant information you are giving
That's very useful and helpful
Thanks again keep it going
I support 🙏🏻
it's a respectable effort to recreate soothe with free tools only and it sounds great as well. however it should be mentioned that soothe2 has a great cpu performance, especially compared to soothe1, because that's often overlooked in these kinda suggestions. sure you can substitute the effect and its workflow a bit but knowing that it kills your cpu to do that too much makes you hesitate on applying the effect. that's why i'm glad i have soothe2. also it has internal lookahead and all that, already reacting to transients before they appear. you could surely set that up in bitwig or ableton as well, but it would only make your rack even longer and harder to understand. i'd say racks like this are a great starting point to find out if you like such effects and surely great practice for people who just love dsp and sounddesign, but at the end of the day, just chill and soothe2 when you make music :)
Damn I wish the first track will get released it sounds so cool
Men of culture, we meet again.
what about women of culture? this is literally sexism. /j
@@tauon_Please, how is that sexist??
@@agatonohlsson9294 i was having a laugh, it's not sexist
Quite indeed fellow chap much obliged
@@tauon_😅
VR please understand how much you help this community!!
oeksound punching the air
Goated producer man strikes again
at that resolution, trackspacer would probably do pretty similarly, esp if you had it sidechained from an eq’d signal that you couldn’t hear. and it’s much cheaper
I’ve been holding out on buying soothe, but I’ve almost pulled the trigger recently. Maybe one day.
thats just beautiful
i’ve built something similar but routed the sidechain input using a compressor in monitoring mode post fx, super super useful!!! i also like delaying the wet chain pre eq to get a better attack, at the cost of nudging the track back by the same amount (edit nvm you did this later in the video lol)
Reminds me of when people started using dynamic EQ plugins some 10 years or more back and I just set Ableton's compressor assigned to very narrow and specific bandpass points. I also find the autofilter in Ableton tends to react faster than EQ8, and have used several of those in parallel over a mix each with their own compressor to give me a master or sound I needed. And if you're not mixing to another file or device (eg when I used DAT) just rendering will remove 99% of the latency/delay issues.
WAVES Trackspacer does this dynamic sidechain thing (with a much lower resolution and less eq adjusts though) and you can get it on sale for 30 bucks, definitely useful to tuck vox into big pads, i mainly use it for singer vocal demos, to mix them into an already mixed instrumental, works like a charm!
I definitely like your version better. Mainly because it is more aggressive and I am making melodic bass and dubstep. Soothe is also really nice, I might get it eventually but I think I would use it on more of my 128bpm tracks like electro or melodic electro.
You should try Nasko’s N-MLC device to compensate for the latency within the rack!
Bro. I love you, but I am going to straight up steal THIS and the 'camera goes in the ableton tutorial zone' thing. Both of these ideas reeek of a wrinkly brain! Love you man!
😢OMG... He's heard of us FL Studio users.❤❤❤
Imagine him doing a video on trying FL Studio. I'm pretty sure he'd make FL bend to his will.
You're the best dude
Garage band kids, where are you now?
🔥
I remember listening to Virtual Riot music when I was in middle school a lot of Monstercat as well, and I decided I would like to learn how to make music.
Time passed kind of stayed away from it.
No, I have a job and I do Ableton live on the side.
What about you?
Thank you for everything. still gonna use soothe since I bought it 😂
I mean, you can just make a 24 band dynamic eq on pro-q3 and call it a day
thanks VALENTINE THE GOAT
Hey babe, wake up... It's Virtual Riot new video
Ableton should pay you a lot of money. Like a lot.
The lords work
The ingenuity in terms of how people find ways to engineer solutions to problems with the limited modularity of Ableton is really astounding! I was wondering if you could clarify one thing. When loading this rack, I get the following error: "Mapping unsuccessful: A parameter cannot be controlled by more than one controlling device." I am not sure what is triggering this error and if/how it might be affecting the usability of the rack. Have you experienced this or have any idea as to what could be causing this? Thank you again for developing and sharing such an intricate device!
at this point the ableton execs should just hire him.
ANOTHER VIDEO ARE YOU INSANE
Man, I'd love to see VR make FL tutorials or maybe an Ableton User tries FL studio Vid? That'd be a fun watch
I'd love to see him try FL. As an Ableton and cubase user FL is strange to me😂 the stock plug ins are insane though in FL