How to Pick Your First Espresso Machine! - Dialing In the Choices
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- So you’re in the market for an espresso machine? Well 10 months ago, I was too. Here’s everything I’ve learned since then about choosing your very first espresso machine that will be perfect for your needs and preferences. Covering everything from budget, experience, features, and of course, upgraditis.
Keep in mind this will be a HOTLY debated topic, so of course, do the research and form your own opinions. Be civil and discuss in the comments down below!
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-Rancilio Silvia
-Breville Bambino, Barista Express, Oracle Touch
-Rocket Appartamento
-Lelit Mara X, Bianca
-Profitec Pro 300, 500, 600, 700
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This will be a highly debated topic. Treat this video as one of many resources available online in your search for an espresso machine. Do the research and form your own opinions. Consider what you really need and want and where you might go in the future.
Don’t get something because some stranger on the internet tells you to (and I have seen the comments on a few of my vids about people saying “this is trash buy this instead” type things).
At the end of the day we all want the same thing - good coffee! Be civil and open up discussions in the comment section!
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Could you check out the ECM classika Pid ii and let me know you opinion on it? I’m still torn on to be conservative and get the gaggia classic and mod it with a Pid and change to 9bar pressure or go for the classika. Big price difference but I’m tempted for the classika 🙈 I’ve seen I can get an rokit apartamento for the same price as the classika. I’m in the uk by the way. Considering I’m mainly looking to drink espresso 85% of the time and not worried about serving guests. Do you think the classika or the apartamento is a better machine from looking at the specs and the fact that I’m mainly interested in espresso? Please please help me coffee god! 🙏😜
Xris help 🙏🙏🙏😁 ps merry Christmas
Merry Christmas!
I get too many questions/DM's, comments, etc. like this every day to do the research and reply to everyone.
Use my videos as a starting point for your own research!
@@MrHayden11 if you're mainly interested in espresso you should really consider a machine with the better heat stability. HX machines can be a bother on that point because of the cooling flushes you need to perform. Heat stability was also one of the main missing factors in this video for me.
Bro thanks so much for making a quality straight to the point video without all the extra bs. 🔥🙌🏾
Upgraditis is real! Started last month with breville bambino and breville smart grinder. I love the experience of the workflow to make espresso. Currently looking at the rocket apartamento and niche zero(whenever it comes back in stock)... started with Keruig. Now I’ve fallen deep in the rabbit hole lol. Thanks
i've been into coffee for 2 years , i drink at least 1 espresso a day, each espresson is on average $5 a double shot , so 730x$5 , thats bout $3650... im currently using a bialetti brikka and a pico presso..... i think im saving quite a bit
Great video, thanks!
I think one part that may not come across as so clear is that a nicer E61 “starter” machine like your Rocket Appartamento will take around 30 minutes to heat up. A Gaggia Classic Pro is ready to go in 10. Depending on your routine in the mornings that difference may be a deal breaker, just like if you are someone that steams milk for 4 drinks constantly then the Gaggia will not suffice. Make sure you understand what you are getting into and how it fits what you want to do.
If you're making four drinks at once on the regular my mind screams for an apron and tip jar.
That is a serious consideration. Right now I would be hard pressed to afford something that would be significantly quicker than a moka and press or aeropress and French press for two drinks.
Whatever I get will be slower.
I'm listening to this while doing some research on reddit and found myself reading a post by you while listening to this video haha thanks for the help!
No debating from me. I'm falling down the same Rabbit Hole you did only a few months behind. I love my Gaggia Classic Pro and even ordered a PID kit but I have already outgrown it. Tomorrow my Appartamento arrives. Really looking forward to exploring this new adventure in espresso. Keep up the good work on the videos.
This is probably the best video on this subject I’ve seen yet. Very informative but still to the point. Keep up the great content. (Also just a few more weeks till Christmas when I will be getting a Gaggia Classic Pro thanks to your videos) 🎉
Hello, at the current time, would you still recommend rocket appartamento or is there anything else to go for atm?
Awesome video. Excited to see your channel grow
I spent the last five days going back-and-forth between the Appartamento, the Bianca, the Elizabeth, and now back to the appartmento 😂😂😂
I can’t lie, the cosmetics of the machine definitely weigh on my decision! - spending over $1500 I want to appreciate the look of it of course LOL
Just hard figuring out the things I actually need, when I haven’t had a chance to try them.
But ultimately, I want the “look” of the rocket and Bianca - and the ability to make really good flat whites and Americanos, although easily have coffee three or four times a day, I’m the only one in my house that does.
Probably sticking with the Appartamento.
What made you chose the Rocket over the Mara X?
What about the the Profitech Pro 300?
It doesn't have the E61 but its dual boiler for around $1,500.
Great Video! I am a proud La Pavoni Owner and it is a totaly different experience indeed. It is not a machine for everyone since it forces you to deal in depth with the Espresso making process. Lever machines just give you another a New degree of freedom in Espresso making what just makes them so challenging and rewarding aswell.
I really want to try a lever machine like that! Keeping an eye on the Odyssey Espresso one at the moment!
Don’t you have heating in your apartment?
I laughed out loud thinking the beginning was a hipster parody. Nice hat. Thanks for the video!
my mom was going through chemo at the time so I had my head shaved in support.
My journey so far: Breville with pressurized portafilter --> Rancilio Silvia-->Bottomless portafilter (current day)--->, Silvia Pro, Appartamento or Cronometro Mozzafiato?
What are bars?
Thanks for this nice advice and information.
I usually drink filter coffee these days, but now I want to buy an espresso machine for my coffee corner.
I have a Breville Dose Control Pro grinder.
and machine prices are too high due to the difference in the dollar rate in my country. I am probably thinking of buying Gaggia Classic Pro, I hope I can and get good shots ...
Great vid ,,,you're correct about the Rocket!
Espresso hobby is way cheaper than audiophile hobby where 30,000 USD speakers are routine and a 15,000 USD integrated amp is common. Not to mention 5,000 USD cables 10,000 USD streamers or turntable. 5000 USD tone arms and cartridges. Did I miss anything?
have a cheaper alternative for semi auto machine? I was actually planning to get Appia Life but now thinking about it, it's quite expensive.
New to the espresso world and literally do not know anything about coffee. But I want a new hobby so Im going to purchase the Gaggia Classic Pro. Thanks for this video!
Don't make that mistake.. go for the Rocket
Great video!
Gaggia gang rise uppppp 😈😈😈
considering getting one again to bring back to the channel 👀
I’m currently considering the appartamento with a loose budget. Seeing the upgrade to Giotto V gets me PID and shot timer, while the R gets me rotary pump I’m now torn. Would love your insight here
Did you consider to upgrade your machine, and put on it a flow control device?
Best advice - choice Profitec ; )
I'm considering Appartamento and Mara X but they have much bigger boilers than lets say Gaggia, what's the minimum amount of water required to make coffee and to steam milk for one cappucino?
Love the breakdown
Nailed it
I see an appartamento in my future
ECM make some serious home espresso machines too. Thanks for this informative video.
yep! hoping to test some ecm machines in the future
damn this really made me decide more easily
Why did you go apartamento over the marax? I’m considering both
aesthetics!
For $$ (entry prosumer) budget I would highly recommend the Oscar II. It's at around $1k, you get HX, 58mm portafilters and INSANE milk froathing. Basically you're getting a machine very similar to Appartamento for lower price.
True, but if you want a piece of art, and a very competent machine (i.e. good temperature control), I think the MaraX is a real winner. The Oscar II is a great bang for your buck if you drink milk based drinks, but not stable enough temperature wise for straight espressos. Also, I’m personally not a big fan of its looks, but that’s very subjective.
@@Markiller15 I agree on the looks but disagree on espresso's quality :)
@@rafasuchodolski7955 I think you can achieve an awesome espresso with it, but it will need more work and more knowledge of all the parameters to adjust to get a great shot. Since the temperature is controlled by a pressurestat, it can vary a lot. The MaraX is more stable since it has a 2 probe (patent pending :) technology coupled with a PID. I still agree with your recommendation, I say it again, awesome bang for your buck.
@@Markiller15 100% agreed! :)
Great video! Some very good advice here. Breville, great Aussie brand, very popular in Aus and NZ (where I live). My Sylvia lasted 14 years and could have gone longer. Its a great way to start and learn. The Sylvia produced really amazing milk based drinks (after I figured out how to use it) and was a nice match for my Gaggia MDF grinder. For low quantity, and milky drinks HX machines are spot on. Not sure if you know but a couple of Kiwis ended up buying Rocket from ECM in 2007!
The availability and looks of the rocket are really appealing to upgrade from a Silvia. Have you found the workflow with cooling flushes to be an issue? Any regret not getting a dual boiler like the lelit Elizabeth or pp 300?
No regrets and no issues working with cooling flushes. I actually just ordered an E61 Group Thermometer to do some testing with that - so expect a video about that towards the end of the month or early February!
When battling upgraditis, consider this: if you drink coffee everyday, that will run you around 1000-1750 usd a year at a cafe. So if on the lower end of that range, your coffee station would start saving you money in a year if your set up was like a gaggia classic pro, a 300 dollar grinder, and 200 dollars in accessories (cups, tampers, distributor, etc). Obviously, this leaves out the price of beans and maintenance.
Also consider your time and drink ware. Milk drinks don’t tend to age well in a thermos if you need to run out the door to work. So you need to have a place at work to wash your container.
I actually did a whole spreadsheet for myself doing costs and calculating "what ifs" compared to coffee shops haha - in short: It's not saving me money
but then again, its a hobby and we all gotta enjoy something!
@@itsxris haha you sound like the engineer type (as am I). And you know, you are probably right about that. I just put in an amazon order for ~50 dollars worth of cleaning supplies lol. So yeah the costs of this hobby definitely adds up. I just got my gaggia classic pro this past week and I am pretty happy with it so far. I am wondering when I am going to get that itch to upgrade to a rocket or lelit, but until then I still have a lot to master with the classic pro. Keep up the great work with your content!
Great informative video! Thanks
1:51 bro, people all around the world drink espresso and it's not from 3000 usd grinders and its fine.
Great video. I was previously looking at Gaggia classic pro, low and behold I fall in that category. 👍👍
That is s sound guide. I am an atypical case, in the appliance bracket due to budget.
I void warranties, boomsquad technosaurus, Linux is how my iPod died a fiery death.
PSP did not have an easy sunset either....
I am looking at a reconditioned delonghi dedica.
Love the manual Flair, not sure what I want in a machine.
Small crowd hacking the dedica, having one might let me know what I want upgrading.
Might not want a semi auto... was a second wave barista in the 90's at a ridiculous bar.
Flair and French press is faster for two drinks than that bar... but nowhere near a Napoli bar.
Thanks for this!
do you do pour over coffee like v60 ? Seems like you'd be into these. Love the aero press and v60 .. Weekends are the chemex
I do - have yet to try Chemex or Aeropress though
@@itsxris you’ll love aeropress
Brevel or delongi la specialista
Rancilio Pro!
What do you thing about HX with PID? I’am looking for a Bezzera Bz13 pm, Profitec Pro 500, or Lucca X58.
I would also consider the Lelit Mara X, looks good and pretty nice and compact
Lelit MaraX is the only HX machine with PID that’s actually worth it in my opinion. It has a 2nd sensor in the HX (and not only in the steam boiler like the other PID HX machines) and can be run in « brew temperature priority », which really works. Only issue in my opinion is it’s a very new machine, so long term reliability is unknown.
Now youll have to make a video about grinders 😅
I want an Expresso Machine so bad and I’ve been looking at the Breville Oracle touch. The reviews are just so so and for the money that’s not good enough but I like the features on it. Still doing research and can be overwhelming with comparing all machines etc. thanks for this video
Hey Mel, I’m a coffee connoisseur , do you like to experiment with coffee or Do you just want a machine that does it all for you?
Quality video 👌🏻
Thanks!
high camera quality as always
8:00 hahaha, all those variables are the same, because are the same X. Next time you will need to writhe a different letter!
haha it was meant more to imply that that its basically a variable but I see what you mean lol
so americans have never heard of Europe's most popular brand: DeLonghi?