Trouble with DUAL SHOCKS? Finishing Rear Suspension COE RAMP TRUCK EP-18
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- Опубліковано 8 кві 2024
- On this Episode of Make It Kustom, I'm building REAR SHOCKS for the COE RAMP project.
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That belt sander for tubing is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen , anyone who builds tubular things should have one
I’ve been welding for over 40 years and STILL have not learned that you can’t lay your gun or stinger on the table, it ‘s gonna hit the floor! Glad I’m not the only one Karl!!
The rear shock mounts/towers look great. The bracing between towers would just make them that much stronger. Gonna be one stout hauler. Look forward to more. Be safe and stay well.
Great job. I think the cantilever or bell crank shocks would be cool, but the simple direct approach for a truck makes the most sense. I also think that you don't need to cross-tie the shock towers. Or you can cross the top to the frame on the opposite side to triangulate it.
Yup, agreed. More moving parts = more stuff that can break.
I would not have mounted the dampers this way, it's a bending load right in the centre of your lateral links, which is not what you want however you look at it or how much you reinforce the bar. A far better method, and one that wouldn't take much, if any, more work, and would be far more trick, would be a push/pull-rod and rocker set up. That way you can factor your 2:1 travel ratio into the rocker, mount the dampers inboard along the frame rails out of the way of everything, at an angle that doesn't impact the damping rate, and could even have utilised the sway bar to pick up from. Added bonus, you can say you have racecar derived suspension on your ramp truck lol
Yeah, definitely would’ve been cool to do a rocker set up
Outboard mount them to a cantilevered bar down to the lower link? Would save height.
That is such a clever design for the shocks and the welds are immaculate as always! Great job!
Type c for circle. Then type .625/2. Hit enter. Autocad will divide .625 by 2 to get the correct radius. Type Offset. Offset the resulting circle by .020 . Acad also allows several other ways to accomplish this. C,D,.625+.02 (enter)
Im surprised anyone still uses 2d cad I thought I was
the only one
you have to type c for circle, then pick your center point or 3p, 2p etc... then 'cal .625/2 or it wont do the maths... started using autocad in 1991 it was like ver 3.1 or something like that. been using it everyday since... well except for the few years we used cadvance and generic cadd.
@DontCallMeGarage Well we "Can't Call U Novice" then. Thanks for sharing.👍
@@basilwatson1 I'm still using Acad 2002 but I'm 71 and retired. It's a little tricky to make it run on Windows 10, but it still does what I need it to do.
Curious if you could cantilever the shocks. Mount them between but above the frame rails, but use a 90° link to activate them. The shocks could cross themselves in between the rails and not be s height problem for the bed. You could engineer an accomodation for travel into the transfer bar that could allow the full travel of the suspension but translate into the shocks decreased travel.
run the shocks off the bottom bar. reduce the height by half with the same travel. putting the shocks at an angle reduces the effective dampening of the shock.
Took the words outta my mouth
If you think about it angling the shocks doesn't so much reduce the amount of dampening as change the damping rate at the extremes of the shock travel. There were a few motorbikes that used this concept to let you change the damping rate - the Panther springs to mind. It is essentially a rising rate - which is probably what you want.
I was going to suggest the same aboutdoing g your shock mounts on the lower arms, might be worth your while taking a look at some trophy truck style four link rear set ups with parallel lowers & triangulated uppers.
Oh and if you can get your shocks close to 90° to the ground plane of the arm, fully closed at full bump/compression with maybe a 3-5° forward rake to prevent any shock bind it should travel & dampen nicely 😎
Great job. Love the ramp truck.
Horizontal shocks with a bell crank
LMFAO! That one eye welder squint made me laugh so hard my drink went up my nose lol.
Big man, you are a metal magician and artist!
Ramp truck is coming along so nice! You guy's are AWESOME!
looking good! And yes, we need more Elio
Love the channel, love your work. Something I didn't see mentioned here is that because the vertical movement is half.. but the time per-oscillation is the same - the shock velocity will be half. Because shocks provide resistance proportional to velocity the damping action will also be reduced.
Love the sneaky use of the plasma table to trim the part assembled brackets!
Really loving this build. Is the idea to eventually haul vehicles on the back of the truck? If so, will the height of the shock towers be an issue with the bed height etc? Keep up the excellent work, you are an inspiration to me, and I learn so much from watching your videos. Cheers, Scott (UK)
Cantilever shocks would be amazing!
Man you guys do great work, and make it look easy breezy while doing it.
Great to see Ellio in front of the camera, thanks for sharing your thoughts on the build, cantilevers would have been cool!
Definitely would’ve been cool!
Can't help but admire your intelligence and great personality to go with it.
Very KOOL Karl and Elio
Nice work Karl your workmanship and your skills are amazing cheers cs nsw Australia
Two (2) very talented young men.
Love the builds, and the calm matter-of-fact attitude. No drama, just design and build. It is a bit odd that the shocks are not parallel, but that is probably just the ADD in me, or some call it perfectionist.
Thank you for telling us directly who your sponsors are. I think youtube should require sponsors to be displayed on each video, sort of like a Nascar car. Some channels seem to go out of their way to obfuscate it.
Ha ha yeah it bugs me a little bit too lol I don’t know how I screwed it up but since it isn’t gonna hurt, I’m gonna leave it. Ha ha ha yeah I’m so happy to shout out our sponsors. They really help make the videos happen with their support along with yours. I think we can do better and better things.
Now that’s a shock mount 😂😂 Brent will be proud 😉
More awesome build. Thank you.
"That's too many monies." I feel that. 😂
Hahaha 🤣
Fantastic work! Love the stout, industrial design! Go Karl and Elio, keep moving forward!
Amazing display of craftsmanship. Karl the mastermind and mad fabricator and Elio the master CNC operator and apprentice from hell. Awesome work boys, keep up the great content!
Between the upper shock mounts would be a great place for extra battery boxes for lightning or wenches.
I also would dig seeing you build a vehicle of your own immigration starting with sheet metal and tubing. No pre bought body or frame. Would be wild to see what you come up with.
Love the work! I just recently got a CNC plasma table set up. It's like unlocking a cheat code to fabricating... Keep up the great progress!
Nice job boys! I can’t wait to see what you come up with for the ramp part of the amp truck.
That is one impressive build!! You guys make a great team!! Take care
It's coming along quite nicely. I like those shock mounts.
Thanks Tim! Can’t wait to go for a drive
Love the work your craftsmanship is bar none the best I gave seen thank you for your inspiration and helpful information
Nice! Coming together quickly at this point.
Can’t wait to see the bed get built!
i dont understand what you are about to do when you explain it but when you go to put things together its really cool to see what you did its like a big surprise at the end love the videos thank you
Ha ha I write on as long as you enjoy it!
It's been a few years since I was full time cad. I started in '90. I figured I had the syntax messed up but new a pro would chime in. Made (edited) quite a few lisp routines and made a bunch of custom toolbox buttons back in the day. I'm probably muddling all that up now that my memory is problematic. Thanks for the correction and input.
That turned out super cool ! Thanks.
Very cool setup. Can’t help but think there was an opportunity to double dip with the shocks on the sway bar mount but the end result was great. Definitely give Elio some more mic time.
I think there definitely was somebody also suggested that! I think it’s possible with a rock or set up, but we were trying to just go for dumb, easy and easy to replace
Top of the shock mounts make a perfect bed bracket mounting surface 👌
Awesome designing and creating…….you are “The Master”……..👍👍🫡🫡🏁🏁🇺🇸🇺🇸
Dude Carl, great job on this build! It's fascinating how your bringing this old cool rig back up and going again, the Make it Customs way! Great work and craftsmanship 👍. Keep up the good work! Also, I love how your friend and apprentice has become a real asset to your company, a real winner for you in the shop. He seems like a cool guy! Anyway, thanks for the video 📸.
You could use hydraulic rams, fit an adjustable flow regulator between the two inlets and fill them with oil, the oil will travel from one side to the other but as there is a flow regulator it is restricted so will act as a shock absorber. You could even fit a reservoir which could be gas filled.
This is an awesome build! Can’t wait to see you and Brent working on it together. Would love to be there helping out.
Shock mounts turned out great!
Im trying hard to get my 50 studebaker done, want to drive it to Drumheller in May for the car show. 85 days averaging 4 hours per day so far.
I just love that welding machines sound when welding, set correct..👍👌👌
I was imagining you would put them rearward of the axle and mount them lower on the axle shafts. But the more stuff hanging down the more likely there are to be issues.
It will be cool to see the final result in action.
ah that was your original thought. 33:10
I'm really digging this build. It's learning on a large scale.
Right on man! Cheers!
I love the ramp truck build!! it's big beefy and crazy cool in all the right ways. I'm gonna throw an idea your way because i will never build anything big enough to use it lol and it fit's you and your style so well. Can't remember if the ramp truck is a floor shift eithier. but Being the metal fab fellow you are...How about scrounging up an old oxy fuel torch and using it as a gearshift and using the oxy lever for something like for a 2 speed rear or something along those lines. it just seems like something that would really fit one of your builds especially a work truck :D
This build is as interesting as zephyr and model a. Nice to see some thick steel fabrication
Thanks for more fast cut action. Lewis loves to watch this machine in full flow. Is a sliding bed with rams in your mind Karl. Or a ramp truck style. I no you call it the ramp truck. But a recovery bed would be cool. Many thanks to you and ellio. From Lewis and Tim stay safe best wishes.
Yeah, it’s gonna be just a stationary ramp, but the sliding deck would’ve been pretty sweet! No Ramos!
Looks like it’s time for some welding classes , nice work ! 😎
Cool.Can't wait to see what the ramp will look like 👍
Hoping it will be cool but worried. I’ll think of something better while I’m working on it and have regrets lol.
So SEMA? What show(s) are you going to do? Piggy back that Zephyr and barnstorm!
Amazing that’s such a cool design and more importantly it works so well ! Nice work fellas 👌also such an interesting video these types of video just have me fixated and honed in its a great watch 👍
It's going to be a one of a kind ramp truck very cool
Great progress!
awesome build cant wait to see it on the road!!
Awesome work Good sir
I remember seeing that blue cab in the background of one of your outside videos last century and being fascinated and wishing it was part of something. Fast forward and it's the best project ever.
There's a real _preying mantis_ / _grasshopper_ vibe about the rear shock geometry, WAY cool!
I’ve been building this in my head since I was a teenager sandblasting at the storage yard lol
@@MakeItKustom That's _EPIC!_ I've had to abandon so many projects over the years for one reason or another. Got a 6ton Merc' bus I'm doing major fab on now that I'm determined to see through to finale! Ramp Truck is mega inspiration, _THANKS!_
Hey just a thought, your skills are above and beyond, you should do small Fab courses. Just a few guys for a week or something. Teaching us from scratch. Cutting, welding, shaping, designing, and beer tasting, ok maybe not the last one lol. For instance, I want to learn TIG welding bad. I'm ok with ARC and MIG and Flux. But it's odd nobody around me does TIG. I'm not talking a 3 year course but just the basics. I'm recently unemployed so I couldn't go tomorow. But you are a genius and I'd take any chance to get a fragment of your knowledge!!!
That’s a really great idea and we are working on it! We are going to be opening our Kustom Academy soon! Starting out small with just monthly courses alternating between a few different subjects
Did you consider using a rocker style cantilever setup with dual shocks?
It would have looked awesome alongside your custom swaybar.
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1 eyed tac 😂we call that the pirate tac😂😂😂
Love the facials😂😂😂
I love this project.
Absolutely loving the ramp truck content! Just sayin...I'm in Calgary, you should really hit me up on your way through this summer. And I know I said it before...but I'll say it again. Street machine weekend in Lethbridge is the absolute best car show in this part of the country, and your machines really need to show up there. July 12-14. They do a poker run, 100' drag races, a big show and shine, a cruise night, and a drive in movie night.
Looking awesome💚🇬🇧🌱
You could have made the top link bar bent to get more height clearance for shocks.only the pivot points for the 4 link have to be parallel the link bars can be shaped
Great to hear from Elio!
Cream work bros ..
Nice turning swingbarm tube into square mount panhards 👍👍
Love your work.
always great work
Awesome!!
Glad to know this one is going to get finished! Bad a$$ shock savings
insta-like ,coolest project on youtube
Hi Karl, one thing, it’s the top plates that actually provides the strength. So from that standpoint it would have been better to weld them to the bushings, and cut the ends of the verticals to get debris out.
I’m sure yours will work great (I said theoretically), and love your work!
Wow. Metal Supermarket raw materials. $$$$$
Looks good
Nice job!
U guys rock!
Funny, the bracket steel (online view) looks insubstantial from plasma-cut to beginning weld, until you see them in close-up.
This ramp truck is going to be awesome
lookin good mate
How about mounting shocks off the sway bar,,,somehow?
Definitely a viable option if design from the beginning
Great project
If you plan on hauling a car on the ramp truck, you will definitely need some kind of bracing between the shock towers. Because of their height it will give more leverage to the load and try and twist the frame rails. I won't twist much, but enough to cause cracking down the road. Good job though!
👍💪 good job man
Nice welds!
Was thinking, if you mounted the shocks off to the inside, on the lower bar, it wouldn't be so high above the frame, but it's your truck, and it looks cool.
Instead of a couple of bars across the upper tower, try an X to the top of the tower and the upper frame C channel that will give the back area a lot of strength from twisting.
Are you going to box the mid area of the C channel behind the motor? Then, it would prevent much twist in the back area.
The job looks sweet, and I can't wait for more.
When mounting your shocks and you were worried about clearance to the bed, why not attach the shocks to the lower link? This would give more clearance to the bed.
Helllllio ! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
13:40 lol
You are making great use of the Fastkut - wish I had one. The shock mounts are super skookum. I also like how you created a separate structure to fit on top of the control arm instead of doing the easy but stupid thing of just welding on a bracket. The control arms should operated in either pure tension or compression and your design doesn't introduce bending moments. Nicely done.
Thanks very much you sound like an educated engineer! Hoping our predictions are correct and fatigue will not be an issue over time
@@MakeItKustom Thank your Karl! This is a great project and I appreciate your bravery in sharing on UA-cam- the armchair critics love to gather and criticize especially anything requiring welding. I think that negative criticism is only valid if you see something that is obviously dangerous. The reality is anyone who has made anything will under think some aspect of the design or come up with a better solution after the fact and that is a necessary part of your journey. If you ever get a chance to visit the Ferrari museum in Modena do so - you will see even at Ferrari a load of poor design albeit with excellent craftsmanship.
Just a thought. Instead of bars across the top shock mounts, could you incorporate the ramp itself into bolting to the shock mounts? Use the deck as a cross member effectively.
You need some fireball squares 😊
Looks really good maybe need a support between the two shock towers just think that tall my need it
Nice Work.
#STAYSAFE
#PHILLYPHILLY 🇺🇸
Well big brother....as I sit here I have a smile on my face. If i could talk to you as you proceed through this process on Auto Cad..... I realize that time is of the accent and you may not have time to explain what your doing intelligently but I have used auto cad for a while and I'm doing it in Auto cad in three D.... With the shock for clearances.....
Have you thought about making steel line for the air bags and using the fuel line install kits the switch from steel to neoprene at or near the bags? The fuel line repair kits should work for that I would think? It would make the system much more robust would it not? Seems like you are building everything else out to be as reliable as possible
That’s a really great idea also! The stuff that I’m using is for air brake line so I trust it and it’s easy to fix on the fly