The Continued Story of Melee's Development

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  • @davidvkimball
    @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +34

    Thank you for watching. ❤
    Please check the description for all of the links.

  • @ryukoprop
    @ryukoprop 4 місяці тому +25

    The audio recording at 22:20 is honestly fantastic insight into the excitement people felt for this game. It definitely felt like I got transported back in time. Thank you for this video

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +4

      @@ryukoprop you're welcome! Yeah it was fun to go back in time.

    • @Gabbycatty
      @Gabbycatty 4 місяці тому +1

      that was so cool, he even noted the at the time Donkey Kong racing, and we all know what happens to that D:

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      @@Gabbycatty exactly. There's actually a lot more in that audio recording I took out, I recommend giving the original a good listen.

  • @Dairunt1
    @Dairunt1 4 місяці тому +12

    Speaking about the scrollwheel buttons Sakurai suggested, I remember there were patents talking about it during the NX speculation days. I can't unsee how Breath of the Wild's item management looks tailor-made for a scrollwheel.
    You press and hold the scrollwheel, you scroll left and right to select an item, and then release.

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +5

      Whoa, that's really interesting. I don't remember hearing about that.

  • @databased7812
    @databased7812 4 місяці тому +31

    That first documentary was phenomenal, excited to see what you’ve brought to the table this time man.

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +2

      Thank you! This one's not quite the same speed as the first, just a casual follow up video to fill in some details.

  • @ryan_ford522
    @ryan_ford522 4 місяці тому +18

    I remember hearing ages ago about how in the Melee demo, Mario could chain grab everyone, which had to get nerfed

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +3

      Oh really? Interesting I don't remember that

  • @MetroAndroid
    @MetroAndroid 4 місяці тому +2

    It was particularly nice hearing the interview from Jonathan and his stories about E3. Thanks for bringing all this scattered info together for us, David!

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      @@MetroAndroid you're so welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

  • @UltraNurture
    @UltraNurture 4 місяці тому +12

    That first documentary is a video I like to go back and watch every now and then. Thank you for all of the hard work you put into documenting the development of a childhood favorite of mine!

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      @@UltraNurture you're welcome! Thank you and I'm glad you enjoy these videos.

  • @AngryDemonBowser
    @AngryDemonBowser 4 місяці тому +6

    I remember seeing the videos and audio dairies a nearly 2 decades ago, in was fascinated by what NWR and PlanetGamecube had documented in Japan and I really like how oldschool it was. It was amazing, and I am so happy they put in this much effort into making it all happen. These are amazing time capsules thati from time to time look at a time long gone.

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      @@AngryDemonBowser couldn't agree more, that's so cool that you remember seeing them from back then. Thanks for your comment.

  • @ChaosKoopasPlays
    @ChaosKoopasPlays 4 місяці тому +8

    So glad to see a part 2! A few weeks ago I started playing a bunch of melee again going for 100%, and I rewatched a lot of your vids while doing it. The original doc is one of my favorite videos on the site and I’m so glad you’re back with more!

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      @@ChaosKoopasPlays thank you very much. I'm so glad you played again to go for 100%. How awesome.

  • @mrm64
    @mrm64 4 місяці тому +13

    This era of gaming is always dear to me. The Gamecube was my first console and I remember vividly the ads it had, along with the PS2 and Xbox. I love history too, so this is my shit lol.

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      Heck yeah. So glad to hear it. I love this era as well. My earliest memories were the N64 era, which made this era extremely special for me as well since I was older and more appreciative of it.

  • @cakehoarder
    @cakehoarder 4 місяці тому +1

    This is a great video. Nice work bro

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      @@cakehoarder thank you very much! I just watched some of your videos lol

  • @h_b_g_4
    @h_b_g_4 4 місяці тому +8

    Incredible video as always David !

    • @ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
      @ameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 4 місяці тому +2

      20 seconds ago is crazy

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +3

      Thank you! But have you watched it yet? 😅

    • @JosePlays_
      @JosePlays_ 4 місяці тому

      video dropped 9 mins ago, you commented 7 mins ago.....this guys VOD watching is out of this realm, homie seen a whole 1hr in 2mins lol

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +2

      @@JosePlays_ pretty impressive :D

    • @h_b_g_4
      @h_b_g_4 4 місяці тому +1

      @@davidvkimball Watching it at the moment haha

  • @TeamJustMark
    @TeamJustMark 4 місяці тому +1

    It's always such a pleasure to see your work, genuinely the best source for Melee knowledge on the website! Keep it up my friend!

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      @@TeamJustMark thank you very much! ❤️

  • @donnyf88
    @donnyf88 4 місяці тому +3

    Thanks for mentioning Consolevariations when showcasing the Dolpin! :)

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      Included a link to it in the description if you want the full writeup!

  • @GanonAutumn777
    @GanonAutumn777 4 місяці тому +3

    Your first documentary on melee's development was fantastic, Im so excited to watch more of it 🤩

  • @Brob2nd
    @Brob2nd 4 місяці тому +4

    I watched your first documentary, and i really loved it, i can't wait to watch this one right now!

  • @Poyostar
    @Poyostar 4 місяці тому +2

    Gotta say, there's a plentiful amount of great little details in this video. Nice watch overall!

  • @TetraFan1000
    @TetraFan1000 4 місяці тому +4

    Really nice stuff. Keep up the great work!

  • @KomanndA124
    @KomanndA124 4 місяці тому +2

    Loved your first video, can't wait to watch this one once I return home.

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      Thank you very much! I hope you enjoy it!

  • @thecyanbluefox3925
    @thecyanbluefox3925 4 місяці тому +3

    stellar my man, absolutely stellar.

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it. ❤

  • @thegameandwatch2799
    @thegameandwatch2799 4 місяці тому +7

    Another great Melee primary source vid from David V. Kimball!
    Have you ever thought about reaching out to a Hal labs dev directly, other than Sakurai, for an interview? Preferably one that worked on character balance? I could see it being extremely eye-opening for the Melee scene, finally shedding light on so many mysteries that we've wanted answered for so long

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +11

      @@thegameandwatch2799 I have actually reached out to HAL, and while their rep was very respectful, they were pretty clear about not wanting me to reach out to individual devs for this purpose. That hasn't stopped me from doing it anyway, but for their sake I have kept their comments confidential and won't be naming anyone I've talked to.

    • @thegameandwatch2799
      @thegameandwatch2799 4 місяці тому +3

      ​@@davidvkimball I respect the integrity in your decision. I'm thinking though that these individuals who worked on Melee may very well be happy to share their development knowledge, not in an association with HAL, just as a person. Do we know if the HAL devs of the time are restricted by any sort of NDA to discuss development?

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +4

      @@thegameandwatch2799 not sure about the specifics, I just don't want to get anyone in trouble.

  • @superepicproportions
    @superepicproportions 4 місяці тому +1

    I love this so much. Always wanted to learn more about the dev cycle and hear more in-depth interviews with all the devs, and hear their feelings on the game and where it is today as well

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      Thank you! I'm so glad you got value out of it.

  • @bb010g
    @bb010g 4 місяці тому +1

    Thank you for the follow-up! The interview especially is wonderful.
    If anyone is trying to place the other baseball player in Seattle, that's Kazuhiro Sasaki, nicknamed Daimajin.

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      @@bb010g I was wondering whose name that other reference was! Thank you.

  • @TheHylian64
    @TheHylian64 4 місяці тому +1

    Great followup to the Melee Documentary! Never saw the HAL Labs Diaries before!

  • @zoomzoom670
    @zoomzoom670 4 місяці тому +2

    I get chills thinking of this game. I started playing it around the age of 4, and even then it captured me (i loved getting mr game and watch). What a great video man im looking forward to watching it

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      Thank you very much! I also get chills thinking about when it came out. I was 9 years old.

  • @PapaJohnsPie
    @PapaJohnsPie 4 місяці тому +1

    Great video and great work man

  • @Aero_Skies
    @Aero_Skies 4 місяці тому +1

    Reliving those childhood memories of my friends and I arguing about whether or not Sonic was secretly in Melee due to a certain April Fools joke. I was wrong :( but I always cherish my childhood memories of playing Melee with friends, my older brother and even his friends would let me play with them. Felt so magical. Great video David! Wonderful followup to Elevated.

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      Thank you very much! I'm so glad you enjoyed it. And great memories indeed, I remember thinking my friend was lying about how to unlock Mewtwo haha. Truly magical times.

  • @noa670
    @noa670 4 місяці тому +3

    Best and highest quality Smash Bros Channel online 🔥

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      @@noa670 that is very kind of you to say!

  • @coolbeans1998
    @coolbeans1998 4 місяці тому +1

    So excited to watch this!! Loved the first one man

  • @NunofYerbizness
    @NunofYerbizness 4 місяці тому +2

    53:49 To be truthful, I wouldn't quite hold my breath on anyone just happening to have a disc of Melee's E3 build outside of Nintendo or HAL Laboratory (be it the disc itself, or just the ISO on an internal computer drive), at least right now. Of what I've seen of the current prototype preservation landscape, showfloor builds of first/second-party Nintendo games looks to be as rare as they get. From the top of my head, we currently have 11 of them (counting Star Fox 2's WCES build… Maybe 12 if counting the ECTS build of Conker's Bad Fur Day?), and six of them are Pokémon titles. Doesn't mean that I'd refrain from biting my tongue forever though; Codebound showing up with Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga's E3 demo was definitely a surprise, as that was one of the lesser showfloor protos I've been wanting to play for years, and it's great to finally play around with it after over 20 years of its initial presentation… What I mean is, I do imagine we might get Melee's E3 build some day, most likely by unexpected surprise; But just based on the fact that it's Melee, I don't imagine acquiring the build would be as easy as just asking if someone happened to have it, as it would for say, the accidental early release of FNaF: Into the Pit.

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      @@NunofYerbizness totally agree and I understand it's a tall order. But still worth calling out just in case!

  • @deathcatthor
    @deathcatthor 4 місяці тому +2

    This video is very good! As a dev, this short of time for this big a game, with this small a team, it's a miracle this game exists at all.

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      @@deathcatthor could not agree more. thanks for your kind words!

  • @TramiNguyen-oi3kp
    @TramiNguyen-oi3kp 4 місяці тому +2

    Happy 23rd Anniversary, Super Smash Brothers Melee (2001-2024)!

  • @Andypatino7612
    @Andypatino7612 4 місяці тому +1

    59:30 I love the comparison of the models from different games & the coloring between Melee & Brawl. It is why I appreciate the character designs in the Smash series. It is something you rarely see back then in video games and why an artist like me loves the art styles in Smash.

  • @superepicproportions
    @superepicproportions 4 місяці тому +2

    26:28 looks like falcons down throw used to be similar to snake's down throw maybe?

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      @@superepicproportions I don't think so, looks more like just less knock back on it.

  • @ThePharphis
    @ThePharphis 4 місяці тому +1

    I love those audio diaries for the E3.

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      They're so good, right? So glad Jonny recorded those.

  • @nicivera6698
    @nicivera6698 4 місяці тому +2

    THE RETURN OF THE KING!!!

  • @comiclysmallspoon6652
    @comiclysmallspoon6652 4 місяці тому

    this is an amazing video, nice work.

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      @@comiclysmallspoon6652 thank you very much!

  • @Cactus7654
    @Cactus7654 4 місяці тому +1

    I would like to see the E3 build datamined. Need clean audio versions of the coming soon and adventure clear themes. As well as the OG onett theme. Not to mention the original stage designs

  • @the101stgec7
    @the101stgec7 4 місяці тому +10

    "Enjoy Super Smash Bros. Melee not only during happy moments but also to lift your spirits during tough times. May you have a long-lasting relationship with Smash Bros. Melee"
    Man, if only they knew 🥲

  • @ThePharphis
    @ThePharphis 4 місяці тому +1

    46:20 mario jumps 1-2 seconds after an air dodge on right side of FoD. I don't remember if that concept or mechanic was mentioned in your previous doc or elsewhere, but I thought it was worth noting

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      Thank you! Yeah I completely missed that. Really cool to see.

    • @papadelta9485
      @papadelta9485 3 місяці тому +1

      wow, good call. can you imagine if you could jump after air dodges in melee? wavedashes might be safer too

    • @ThePharphis
      @ThePharphis 3 місяці тому

      @@papadelta9485 I'm a fan of being actionable after air dodge like in rivals of aether. Gives lots of mixups which is fun

  • @thegamingguy1
    @thegamingguy1 4 місяці тому +1

    This is so AWESOME

  • @666blaziken
    @666blaziken 4 місяці тому +2

    I loved the 64 remade music that was on here

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed it! I have a link in the description if you want the whole playlist.

  • @jakedewitt3945
    @jakedewitt3945 4 місяці тому

    Uploaded 18 minutes ago, Best hour of my life.

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      Time-traveler? Thanks, I hope you enjoy it!

    • @jakedewitt3945
      @jakedewitt3945 4 місяці тому

      @@davidvkimball ty gl on yt bb

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      @@jakedewitt3945 much appreciated 🙏

  • @Mangocheese19
    @Mangocheese19 4 місяці тому +1

    I had experienced the development Timeline of Super Smash Bros Series, and melee one is so long

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      What do you mean?

    • @Mangocheese19
      @Mangocheese19 4 місяці тому +1

      @@davidvkimball i have expanded development timelines of each smash game by going through previous games from other series

  • @BuddyHolly94-e4j
    @BuddyHolly94-e4j 4 місяці тому

    Lets go the legend has return!

  • @Dionaea_floridensis
    @Dionaea_floridensis 4 місяці тому +1

    気にするな literally means "don't give it your energy" I love japanese man

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      @@Dionaea_floridensis what's the context for this? I want to put it into context haha

    • @Dionaea_floridensis
      @Dionaea_floridensis 4 місяці тому +1

      @davidvkimball what Fox says in Japanese for his victory quote lol

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      @@Dionaea_floridensis ah, thanks haha

  • @Invictissimi
    @Invictissimi 4 місяці тому

    One hour video? Let's goooo

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      Yes! Please enjoy. It's a deep dive into some dev-exclusive info.

  • @DrewOPowell
    @DrewOPowell 4 місяці тому

    OHHHH THIS IS GONNA BE PEAK

  • @DrunkenHotei
    @DrunkenHotei 4 місяці тому +5

    Hey you're the guy that helped me with using m-ex! I didn't realize I was already a fan of yours for that previous doc. Nice work, and glad to see there's more!

  • @pierrebidkhanian3135
    @pierrebidkhanian3135 4 місяці тому

    3:21 where can i find a video of those leather wearing people presenting game cubes on stage

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      I believe it's the E3 2000 GameCube unveiling.

  • @smb123w64gb
    @smb123w64gb 4 місяці тому +1

    Got to wonder how mario kart gp had same formating as melee. Maybe initial format for dolphin development

  • @bluebaron6858
    @bluebaron6858 4 місяці тому +1

    Nintendo world report is still going?!?!

  • @JnL_SSBM
    @JnL_SSBM 4 місяці тому

    I missed you!!!! 🥺

  • @daymare0
    @daymare0 4 місяці тому

    Oh this is about to be good

  • @zazenbo
    @zazenbo 4 місяці тому +4

    I miss my wife

  • @ZzigZaG00NIN
    @ZzigZaG00NIN 4 місяці тому +1

    1 hour wow
    melee is a crazy game

  • @CHUNGAandNANOOK
    @CHUNGAandNANOOK 4 місяці тому +3

    Based and melee-pilled

  • @Zac-mi7gr
    @Zac-mi7gr 4 місяці тому

    Hey - looking forward to watching this! Seems like your merch links aren't working? Maybe it's just me.

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      Hey, thank you VERY much. It was down. I just fixed it!

  • @tutata
    @tutata 4 місяці тому

    So wicked!

  • @firecrackerd
    @firecrackerd 4 місяці тому +3

    OMG ITS TIME TO EAT

  • @Broken_Code
    @Broken_Code 4 місяці тому +2

    Love the videos also first enjoyed the vid

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +2

      Thank you, hopefully you'll watch it more than a few minutes. 😉

    • @Broken_Code
      @Broken_Code 4 місяці тому +1

      @@davidvkimball lol I’ll rewatch it like the others once I’m done watching it for now🧚🏽 ✨✨✨

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      @@Broken_Code Much appreciated ♥

  • @shadowxtulhybridtheoryep
    @shadowxtulhybridtheoryep 4 місяці тому

    can the old title screen some how be re-imported?

  • @BreakfastKids
    @BreakfastKids 4 місяці тому

    i miss melee

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      @@BreakfastKids why miss it? It hasn't gone anywhere!

  • @_Tygon_
    @_Tygon_ 4 місяці тому +1

    Hello fellow nerds. Melee is just the best.

  • @dwite3657
    @dwite3657 4 місяці тому

    shoutout barry

  • @7373walker
    @7373walker 4 місяці тому

    i always hated brawl's art direction. why would you "unify" the worlds when they're each so well designed already?

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      @@7373walker well there does need to be a sense of cohesion in a game or else it will feel scattered and disparate.

  • @CHUNGAandNANOOK
    @CHUNGAandNANOOK 4 місяці тому +1

    Gojira

  • @juliwomp
    @juliwomp 4 місяці тому

    DONKEY KONG RACING???

  • @thepoonhound3003
    @thepoonhound3003 4 місяці тому

    55:35 hmmmmmmm😏

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      @@thepoonhound3003 ?

    • @thepoonhound3003
      @thepoonhound3003 4 місяці тому

      @@davidvkimball oh lol i gave the wrong timestamp before, my bad

  • @WeebGamer101
    @WeebGamer101 4 місяці тому

    4th

  • @dragozillasaur813
    @dragozillasaur813 3 місяці тому

    I still believe Melee is overrated, The Competitive scene ruined for me and I HATE Yoshi's Model in Melee

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  3 місяці тому

      @@dragozillasaur813 I'm sorry to hear that. I love the game just as a casual experience and a masterpiece of a game. I don't think you should let a game's community dictate how you feel about the work itself. Regarding your opinion about Yoshi's model, though. Fair. Lol

  • @ProZangoose
    @ProZangoose 4 місяці тому

    When are we going to uncover the game is just a child soldier recruitment program they diverted from? Pokemon was a splash into brainwashing and sold lottery tickets to kids. Then yugioh. Then melee.

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +2

      what? lol

    • @ProZangoose
      @ProZangoose 4 місяці тому

      @@davidvkimball the porygon episode was a stress test for lights on children. im a high functioning autistic savant with regional and national level exp with pokemon tcg, yugioh, magic and melee. in the same way annas taqueria's guacamole tastes like the color pink; that rock beats scissors, and 1+1=2, i view melee=psych warfare training as the same level of truth. i will do a zoom call abt this with u if u want. they pimped out pemdas with lcanelling to make it addictive.

  • @Honeybread-ox5ho
    @Honeybread-ox5ho 4 місяці тому

    Salvation: repent(change your mind about sin and attitude to the way God sees it.) and trust in Jesus

  • @saturnjr9136
    @saturnjr9136 4 місяці тому +1

    46:19 apparently you could jump after airdodging

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому +1

      @@saturnjr9136 whoa!! Good catch lol

  • @gorgon5633
    @gorgon5633 4 місяці тому

    Oh hell yes I know what I'm doing for an hour

    • @davidvkimball
      @davidvkimball  4 місяці тому

      Thank you very much, I hope you enjoy it!