The Super Mario Sunshine We Never Got
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- Опубліковано 26 лис 2024
- sunshine is a bizarre little game and I have one or two things to say about it in this video
Checkout Super Mario Sunshine 2001 by Portable Productions
• Super Mario Sunshine 2...
Beta Assets provided by Portable Productions
Dolpic Town theme - • Dolpic Town - Super Ma...
Bianco Hills theme - • Bianco Hills - Super M...
S.U.N.S.H.I.N.E by / @plush_baby
Voice Actors
Mumsy - Alice Cashman
Nico - Mariam Sesiashvili
Rownie - AShadowlink
Daddy - x.com/Omega_J12
Flood Gate Inspector - x.com/APC_Cipher
Mayor of Dolpic Town - x.com/BriHardG...
Art of Nico created by x.com/BriHardG...
Sources
Retro Gamer Magazine Issue 173
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Nintendo Online Magazine
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GameCubicle Interview
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Shmuplations Interview
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Spaceworld Photo
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NGC 066
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IGN Spaceworld Sunshine Impressions
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Mario and Sonic shaking hands
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Pikmin 4 ask the developer Interview
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The Cutting Room Floor
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Nintendo Dream 1997
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Mario saying Ciao
• Mario randomly says "C...
Miyamoto on why 128 hasn't been seen publicly yet
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Press Release stating the game ran at 60
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128 had experiments with the DS
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Miyamoto claims the newness will be in 128 that was missing in Sunshine
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Miyamoto says sunshine could've been better if they had more time
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Miyamoto crushes 128 fans dreams
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Miyamoto busts the vault
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Playlists with all footage
• Sunshine
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Confused me there, “Fellow up to this”? I thought it was just some weird way to phrase a recommendation to your friends video or something, but it just seems that you misspelled it
Ya know, it’s still shocking we got Mario sunshine at all looking back. It’s THE black sheep of Mario games and it really doesn’t feel like any other Mario game to this day. I love it, my childhood Mario game 😁
Mario sunshine looks incredible for a GameCube game. I love the vibes and the unfair bs makes me kinda like it even more. I'm definitely not biased
@@ButtaDawg6969 yeah, it feels so tight and responsive, even if there is some jank. A yearly replay for sure.
@@IvanhoennIt has the same 4-frame action structure that sm64 has. It makes SMS and SM64 both absolute gold mines for programming experience. Studying their code can teach you so much about why certain code does certain things, and also studying the behaviours used by speedrunners and glitchers to bypass scripting behaviours, because it tells you a lot about why Mario was programmed how he was
@@ButtaDawg6969shut up. GC was amazing console
I liked it... It was fun running around with that water jet and flying 5 stories in the air with it...
It'd be cool to have a arcade style sequel of the game - where you just run around with the water gimmick.
3:58 you know this video is fake when he says that he got friendly interactions AND actual help on a public discord server
I've been in a couple of Mario discords and they just chill af
Agreed
@@Josuh I've been in a couple of Mario's discords, the dude's super chill fr
@@thegreatgonzales6813 he is truly a super mario bro
fr lol. I remember joining a games official server and getting told to kms when I opened a support ticket lmao
This is by far the most detailed video I've seen on sunshine's beta content. I'd never herd half of this stuff, and I'm a long-time, albeit casual, fan of the history behind this game. Thanks so much for making this!
The fact that Koizumi modelled out the entire island in clay is so cool, I wonder what happened to that model?
Its one thing to be a game that definitely needed more time in the oven, but not having a green Yoshi in the final game is something that makes me think: There's no way they forgot that.
sunshine deserves a director's cut. i wish i was skilled enough to do to it what sonic fans are doing with sonic 06.
If a FAN makes an alteration it is NOT the director’s vision or “cut” it is purely a fan mod
@@AgentsCinematicUniverse oh I'm aware. the two sentences aren't related. with "director's cut" i did mean i wish Miyamoto could finish the game and realize his vision.
super mario eclipse the closest we have since it has the delfino express, hotel lacrima, and other unused stuff while keeping the vanilla game intact
super mario eclipse came out not even a week ago, check it out sometime
I don't think the issue was the "original vision" being compromised but just the fact that the game was unfinished.
Great video.
I feel like this might blow up soon, fingers crossed.
TLG commented, video gets my upvote
You don’t have fingers!
Finger are crossed fingers are crossed fingers are fingers are fingers are crossed
It popped up in my recommended, so that's a good sign.
@@Allen1350 yeah same. Although it had like 1000 views when I saw it. So it seems like it did get traction which is nice to see
I've been wanting a more in-depth video on Sunshine's cut content for ages because there's so much more than what any other existing video that I know of will tell you. This is exactly what I'm talking about, and I really enjoyed it! Great job!
I'm a lurker on Sunshine Hut, so I saw a good chunk of the conversations that led to this video, so it's pretty cool seeing what that turned into.
I remember being insanely excited for sunshine. I also remember my mum shouting at me to stop playing as I was getting increasingly angry on some of the levels.
Thank you! This game deserved more
Bro speaks like Hinokuri2 killed his whole family
Very fun video. I've always been fascinated by this game's prerelease elements and you brought them to life in a way I've never seen before
Oh snap it's you, the legendary TJ-Henry-Yoshi!
I don’t know what he has against Hino_Kuri2. I think it’s a fascinating enemy, although it could’ve been made more cute (and lost the third eye) to make it more in line with the Mario style.
@@joshslater2426it’s ironic that the things they’re seemingly not trying to make scary end up way scarier than any of their intentionally scary stuff
@@Flac_the_Wavewho
Wind Waker is certainly a game deserving of a video like this since it was another game that had a lot of turbulent issues with development. Can't wait for the eventual Mother 3 video though.
I know how long it took for this video to get made, and how much of a stress it was on you to get this put together with your main editor moving on to other things. The amount of passion you put in trying to learn how to edit your own videos and get this whole project put together is genuinely really impressive. Excited to see what comes after this, and hope this does well for your channel.
Hey did you see the chairs in the smash direct hint at Skull Kid for smash ultimate?
@@huff1271 hi huff
considering how underpaid editors are even tho they do 99% of the work on this plattform Im not surprised
@@S4NSEalot of work but dont ve silly and say 99
@@S4NSE Video planning... audio... script writing...
Editing has a big job in it all, but let's not say it's 99% of it.
I've always been fascinated by the beta of Mario Sunshine, it feels like there was so much cut content that could have been it's own game in a similar way Mario Galaxy 2 was formed and this was an amazing showcase of the contents it used to have!
This game’s development history has always fascinated me. I remember watching beta footage for it as a kid and it looked so strange! It may have been what got me interested into this kind of thing. I always had more questions than answers though, until now. Yippee
It only took 20 years but here we are
There I am Gary, there I am!
Thank you for making this video
It's even crazier when you realize sunshine came out 11 months after the spaceworld trailer. Insane to think how much the game changed in less than a year
Sunshine is incredible just based on the warm tropical vibes.
You damn right. It’s unique.
i know this is a little unrelated, but i actually recently met charles martinet (marios voice actor) at a comic con to get my copy of sunshine signed, and he told me that sunshine was always his favorite, and that he wished nintendo made 4 sequels to it
Don't even think for a second we slept on this one
kug actually did to a degree get a 3d model in the files of pikmin
Feels kinda eerie the see clips from the older version, glad that it turned out the way it did.
44:05 The GioGio's Bizarre Adventure caught me off guard sooo bad omg what are they doing here
This video highlighted for me how insane it is that I've literally been playing this game since it came out 22 years ago and haven't experienced the crazy noclip and animation freeze bugs
Me neither
People playing Switch version or Emulated version could have bugs, actual Gamecube Disc version in a real gamecube or a backwords compatible Wii is not glitchy
"Y'know Mario, we're both middle aged men, so lemme be honest with you...
Life...takes you to weird places. If you'd told me a year ago, "you're gonna find yourself locked behind a comically absurd number of doors, elbow deep in icecream, unable to get it outside and to your daughter who you cannot afford to disappoint" I would've probably cried in the the corner for 30 minutes. The only reason I'm NOT crying right now is the cold is numbing my senses, and I may be developing frostbite. I'm losing hope, Mario. I'm losing my daughters love, my job at the factory, my grasp on reality, and soon, my hands. I'm not sure what left I have to loose, Mario."
Isn't Mario like 24
@jambone4464 Yes. I imagine that, while this man is losing his mind, Mario is just staring blankly into his eyes lol
Wahoo
The old version of mario sunshine shown at space world and just the game overall has always fascinated me sooo much, and this video scratches the itch I have for it just right 🙏 I can't believe after all this time there is still new things we're finding about this game
The train travel and station reminds me of sonic adventure.
I feel like games in the late 90's/early 00's went through loads of changes both ocarina of time and wind waker, super mario 64 and sunshine, pokemon gold and silver, starfox adventure and resident evil 4 being diferent too.
I've been watching a lot of *Super Mario Sunshine* retrospectives lately. I was 11 when the game came out in 2002, but my parents didn't buy new games often, so I replayed the ones I had, including *Sunshine*, on and off until the Wii was released. Listening to these videos feels nostalgic, comforting, and relaxing-it's like hearing people discuss a part of my childhood that feels personal and unique, yet relatable to so many others.
Sunshine is the first game i ever played and to this day i've never found a game with the same immaculate vibe.
Yeah it’s unique in the series I smoked so much weed playing this
i want to play this version so badly, very good video
if you want to play those stages that arent on the game try super mario eclipse and just enjoy bro
The original Sunshine kinda reminds me of Here Comes Niko. Helping people and learning about the island while collecting enough coins to move onto the next part. Seems super layed back. Sonic Adventure type humans who react to the world would have awesome too
Interestingly enough the Goomba seen as an unused model in Pikmin that was briefly shown towards the end of the video, STRONGLY resembles Kug! This seems to further prove that Sunshine and the potential GameCube era of Mario would have used those Goomba designs and made them into a prominent Goomba variant in the series.
This deserves way more views
57:00 I suspect if Sunshine got an extra year, it’d have run at 60 FPS. It’s pretty obvious why they cut the frame rate, look at the E3 2002 water and you’ll see what I mean, they added pretty impressive reflections that must have tanked the framerate. Now locking the frame rate over an impressive graphical effect wasn’t always the most common thing to see on the GameCube, but it was extremely common on the N64 and I can’t help but wonder if that mindset carried over a bit, and if that would have changed given extra time in the oven (and the chance to look at other games releasing around that time)
I've realized recently how important it is to support smaller content creators so I just wanted to say I really enjoyed watching this. Thank you for the work you put into it!
Tbh I do get the vibe that OG Sunshine might have turned out to be a disappointing game just because of the whole "doing menial tasks to help NPCs" thing instead of a collectathon might have ended up as a pretty boring game. Also considering how jank the final game already is I think it was for the best to shift it to something traditional.
Sunshine has always been my favorite 3D Mario despite all of its jank. It just has such a lovely feel to its world and it feels so real and alive.
Speaking of favorites, I just want you to know that Grotle is also one of my favorite pokemon. No reason why I'm sharing that.
:)
Super Mario Sunshine was my favourite Mario game, mostly cause unlike the other games like 64, and Odyssey (I’ve never played Galaxy), you felt like you were really changing things for the better with the shine sprites slowly bringing back the Sun. Now whilst I thing the original concept wouldn’t have been as good I would love a Sunshine 2 where we visit all the old levels plus the levels we already got just with more updated graphics. So basically a modern hybrid of the original Sunshine idea and the Sunshine we got
you never played galaxy? bruh you missing out
Play galaxy, it is the goat
I'm falling into a mario sunshine rabbit hole coming off of the mario eclipse mod hype and this of course did not disappoint, awesome vid!
Despite its flaws, it's still my favorite of the 3d mario games. Interesting seeing the evolution of this game. I was already in my late 20s when this game was released but I never knew about a lot these scraped version insights. Very interesting.
No, all glitches shown in this video can happen in the GameCube version, the first clip is literally on GameCube hardware please stop stating that they are problems with 3D All Stars, they are not, that is not how emulation works, Sunshine has glitches and that's ok
livingaretrogaminglife upload new of e3 1999 so he can upload new footage of spaceworld 2001
nah they cant i would know my cousin was a dev for this
@@trxsh_oc mayhe they fine new footage of spaceworld 2001
The Fire Chestnut looks like it belongs in Pikmin
For those asking about the voiced dialogue being heard on one ear only, I can assume it’s for the sake of evoking that retro vibe that was experienced in the last century, where CRT TVs were commonly used and only had a mono input; hence, why you tend to find old footage from decades ago online that can only be heard on one ear.
In fact, if you paid attention to how the thumbnail and each cutscene concept looked, there is a filter on top of them that gives it that old school tv look of having scan lines across the screen.
While the mono audio doesn’t really bother me that much, I can see why this is jarring for some.
Mono audio can still be played in both ears, mono simply means the audio is all mixed toghether in one channel while stereo is mixed in layers which allows for stuff like playing certain sounds in one direction to give a deeper sense of physical space to the sounds while in mono it would simply play on both ears.
I think they might have intended to make the clips sound mono but accidentally made it so it only plays on one ear, that's also why you see those videos where the sounds play on one ear only.
@@ginogatash4030 Thank you so much for stating this! You’re absolutely right about mono audio still being played in both ears.
2:15 I can’t take it seriously with that thing throwing it back
It’s like if Tina Belcher had a huge bazinga. But why was it there lol
original Gamegrumps Sunshine series was peak entertainment
40:00 i hate you man i was watching this at 3 am. i’m only forgiving you cause you just made one of the best videos i’ve seen in a while. thank you your excellent job!
The part with the hotel and doors could be a reference to the really old game ”Hotel Mario”, where you basically just close a lot of doors.
Great video!!!, tried to refind goku after watching because I swear it's in one of them chapter transitions. it's sad I couldn't find it Great video!!!
He's in the transition to Dolpic Town Episode 3. I saw this comment right as I saw him lmao
21:22 no matter where I go I can’t escape him
goku is here
I would have loved to get to experience the completed version of Sunshine, with working trains, airports, humans, soul coins, bigger cities, posh areas and even more to do. It's my favorite Mario game so knowing that there was even more to it than what we got is devastating to me
Super Mario Sunshine is one of my favorite games of all time and is a super important piece of my childhood. I love the beta and cut content for this game and this video showed me so much stuff I had never seen before. Thank you for making this!
40:07 that LTG clip was my exact reaction too LMAO
Mario Sunshine is the best & hardest mario game ever with a twist of Jamaican style .... Long Live GameCube the greatest nintendo console to exist
24:46 I feel like this story would take some 60s sitcom humor when it comes to these characters
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Hi Huff
Hi Emiiriri
lOVE THE VIDEO
but for accessibility for those with hearing issues or maybe only one headphone to use at work, dont HARD left or right any audio like you did at 20:00. If you want to portray direction in your audio but dont want to HARD pan completely, do 25% right ear volume, 75% left ear for example
I am forever fascinated with Sunshiene’s beta as there was so much that changed or got left out. We desperately need a beta build of the game to leak so that all the unused stuff can finally be explained. Also, as much as people seem to dislike Tramplin’ Stu, I think his concept was interesting and if they had made the design more ‘cute’ and replaced the third eye I’m sure the author of this video wouldn’t be so disgusted by him. The human family is also very interesting as we only had a brief low quality glimpse of the daughter and I’m super curious to know more. The train system would be an interesting thing to see too.
Dude I remember watching portable when he did his Luigi’s mansion beta restoration. One day he had released like a song or a concept video of some kind and I remember commenting about how a full Mario sunshine beta restoration would be awesome. You have no idea how surprised I was when he linked me a video to the trailer for it like 2 years later I had forgotten all about it😂
This video’s great! You clearly put a lot of time and research into this, and I really enjoyed it. As someone who loves Sunshine, it was really cool to take a look at what could’ve been, and I honestly really love some of what you showed in this. :D
great video! thank you so much for unlocking alot of old memories❤️❤️
The flood gate Pianta is asking for a cement mixer.
Amazing video! This was really informative. I honestly love how weird Sunshine is, and it's nice to learn about things such as the dialogue for the scrapped human family.
I always thought it was cool how they were originally going to have human NPCs on Delfino Island like the humans in Sonic Adventure.
My butt is firmly planted in a seat as a subscriber now. I'd love if you made videos talking about Sonic Adventure or especially Mother 3's development like you hinted at. They're super fascinating as well.
Like how Sonic Team used real-life pictures of South American temples as textures in SA1&2.
I wish the EarthBound 64 prototype would leak someday as well...
Gotta say, I’ve never experienced any of those “bizarre” things that were highlighted lol. I played it when it first came out and at least three times since.
Great video, and these beta clips and unused mission dialogs are fascinating. For my part, I feel like we got the better game. It was only the second fully 3D mainline Mario game; they could have gone anywhere after 64 but I'm glad they didn't. It's basically the gameplay of SM64 but with better graphics and a wider, tighter moveset. Totally addition by subtraction, here.
I hope earlier versions (or concept art) could possibly shown at the nintendo museum that’s gonna open up soon
All E3 and Space World levels are playable in the post-game of Super Mario Eclipse!
still watchin, but so far video is goated, nice work
@59:31 That reminded me SO MUCH of the "genius" kojima. He really tends to talk a lot, and I get the feeling that most of his accomplishments have been nothing short of miracles. Anyway, this was quite fulfilling and enjoyable!
The real lore is Nintendo wanted to create a powerful weapon. Mario posessed a jet pack with blowing power and h2o. Luigi posesses sucking power with a vacuum and ghost energy (fusion). Together they create yin and yang and can create forcefields with their backpacks combined.
I love this theory, it makes perfect sense and jives with everything we know about Nintendo's history and development strategies.
Okay, just gotta say: The people who voiced the characters did an AMAZING job! Not only does it just sound awesome in general - it somehow also actually sounds like it could've been in some weird, alternate timeline version of the game.
I love how thia video refers to the fire chestnut like its a horror that should be locked at the bottom of the ocean. Because that's exactly what that creature is.
It feels like Nintendo was attempting their own GTA at 1st but did something completely different on the end to not get caught, lol.
I was almost done with this video when I noticed this has so little views...HOW?? Like bro I'm so surprised i thought this would have so many more views, it's so well edited and well made. This is one of the most through videos on the topic, and you did a great job explaining stuff, especially how you depicted the unused dialogue. This video is a good mix of fact and opinions on the beta of this game. Please make more videos like this, this was such an awesome video! Incredible work!!
bro it's 2 days old, how many views were you expecting?
lolll stop riding him
This is a really good video! The only thing I could say you missed is that when you enter Corona Mountain and the Plaza is Flooded, you can see a beta layout of the map
Amazing video Mz! It was cool to learn about so much content for sunshine it was my first Mario game so having some cool fun facts is nice. I do wish Yoshi stayed normal. I was also confused why I couldn't get a green Yoshi.
if you guys wish to see what the scrapped levels looked like from people's interpretations, go play super mario eclipse!! its a very fun romhack which adds these and even the train station!
I grew up with the trauma of never being able to find the Green Yoshi on the manual, i used to think as a kid thay there was a secret fruit that would make him green that i never found Lol!
You reminded me that the gap between 64 and Sunshine was only 6 years, that's insane
Thanks for making a video on this really specific topic, I’ve always been interested in this games development. Time to watch this video over and over and over and
i love videos like this about games like mario 64, this is gonna be great!
Mumsy is so SAVAGE....
I remember as a kid, trying every fruit to get a Green Yoshi, i was so sad the only way to see one was pretty much drop him in water. He turns green before evalorating..
Awesome work on the video! Having the cut missions formatted with dialogue and the characters made me so immersed haha
Super Mario Eclipse has all those cut levels! I had no idea they were based on the beta until now!
I am SO happy the family scenarios were cut. They were very annoying lol
thanks for making this dude this is my favorite game of all time and this video is sooooo interesting
there's not enough beta stuff that's easily watchable
As a long time player of super mario sunshine, I've never experienced those bugs before
Finally a new sunshine video deep dive to serve my niche
mario looks cute ngl
I think one of the things SMS maintains from the days of 64 is the unspoken importance given to the technology the game is running on. There's less need to create a compelling story when your viewers are completely distracted with state of the art visuals. This is a flaw both games share, and one Nintendo was forced to correct once 3d games became the norm, namely in Super Mario Galaxy.
Wow it’s such an aesthetically pleasing look I wish we got the beta tbh thank you for this video
maybe noki bay was going to be enterable from ricco harbor
Holy fuck the Mike Matei reference left me shellshocked. That was the most unexpected thing in this whole video.
56:50- There is a functionality to make goop appear where water drops. Note how shadow mario drops water when he does the spin. Maybe the objective was the player controlling shadow mario would have to cover the area in the goop while escaping from the other player controlling mario?
great video! super in-depth and there was so much i didn't know before about sunshine!
Sunshine recently got a HUGE mod that was needed and made the game 10x better.
I freaking love Super Mario Sunshine I smoked so much weed playing that game. Ganja and sunshine.
Absolutely amazing vid. I physically laughed when I saw the super mario sunshine crash, never thought id see an e3 demo crash.