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Apparantly, they tried to hire personal security on the day but the security company wouldnt accept 70% of comps.
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How much responsibility do the Dallas Card Show promoters bare? I mean a guy was stacking chairs for an hour in and out of dealer space? Nobody from the show questioned this? He wasn't wearing a DCS t-shirt. This is a bad deal all the way around. Terrible black eye for this show.
Agree, goes to my safe comment. Shows probably need to start doing more as the valuations of cards continue to increase
I think the fault lies with the owner of the cards. He wasn't there and has 3 employees working, but doesn't tell them to have at least one of them hold the suitcase at all times or at least keep right by their side? That's why my first instinct was that the 3 employees were paid off to allow the theft. How do the 3 employees leave it unattended and a good 20 feet away from all 3 of them; as it was at the start of the video? And then not grab it and bring it closer when there is some stranger who is walking right by it and stacking chairs?
Very frustrating to see. Hate to hear 1.5 million bucks in cards were stolen! I must ask, if that case were filled with 1.5 million dollars in cash, would it have been left alone so unguarded?
Hard to believe isn’t it.
There is an easy way to find out. The guy supposedly stacked chairs for an hour without gloves, fingerprints all over those chairs
Yup!
How many fingerprints you think are on them chairs 😂😂😂 100 different ppl maybe
not when tehyre illegals
People got greedy during the Covid bubble. I remember when people were fighting each other over boxes at the shops.
nfts
Why would they leave such good cards unattended? Potential fraud imo
Bingo
The owners probably worked with the "crooks". Insurance fraud, crack them out and re-sell
They’ll get caught very quickly if they’re involved. FBI likely to investigate given the money involved
Technically they weren't unattended. Three employees were intentionally distracted.
@@Collectwhatyoulike yup!
I'm surprised that more shit has not gone down at card shows over the last few years given the huge amount of money at these shows. There are youngsters and other vulnerable persons walking around with pelican cases with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cards and serious amounts of cash. Dealers and attendees are relatively safe within the show but in the immediate surrounds I would be very uncomfortable if I were carrying 6 figure cards and thousands in cash. They need to beef up security and increase awareness around these shows. Sadly, it will probably take a tragic incident to instigate meaningful change.
I agree. Especially at a place like the national tbh
In London you can’t wear a £5000 watch without risk of loosing your life so walking round with 100s of thousands in cards you get what you get that’s the risk
Rule #1. Don't take cards to a show that maybe .01% can afford just to flex. Nobody deserves to have their stuff stolen but seriously, your buyer base is more limited then winning the lotto.
It's a rather popular show for the West Coast and a good place to see the dealer's inventory in-person. However, after this event, I'm not sure its even worth traveling to anymore.
It’s a big show and these guys have been doing it for a long time. This might make dealers stop going though that’s for sure
It added up to $2 million, but it wasn’t like they had six figure cards. You would be surprised how many cards such as their 5 figure 52 mantles get sold at Dallas. These guys move a lot of them mentally. It’s not just a flex.
There is no proof what exactly was in that case. It looks like a setup from the word go. I don't feel sorry for them if it were legit. No one would leave a 1M+ case just lying around. I would have it handcuffed to my wrist.
You’d honestly be surprised. They were in the process of packing up, mistakes happen.
The national is so lax it's ridiculous. It would only take a couple people who knew what they were doing to rob the place blind. You could hide in the place overnight. Most the dealers only cover their booths with fabric. Leave the next day when it's opening back up with a backpacks loaded
I'm surprised something significant hasn't taken place. Perhaps it's because most serious crooks now deal in drugs and the days of professional armed robbery crews is long in the past.
I wouldnt even let a single Gretzky rookie card out of my hands in public, much less have a million bucks of cards sitting there in the open. Hire a goon, for one thing.
Executive security, $1k for a regular workday. Private Security is a lot less. A quick stop at a temp agency, probably get someone for $200. Definitely not a time to penny pinch.
Well they had three staff there and they got worked really hard
We need the whole video from an hour before the theft to a few hours afterwards. I would like to see the actions of the ownet before and after the theft.
I assume they have all that. The dealer has shared more footage in his IG
@@DanTheCardMan2 All I know is that when there is a theft of this magnitude, nothing and nobody can be ruled out. It doesn't matter how long someone has been in the hobby because we've seen horrible things done by dealers we thought we could trust for decades. I'm not accusing the dealer of anything and I hope they catch the people who did this. But everything and everyone needs to be looked at.
@@wisdomveritas6281the baseball card kid's "fire"!
Looks more like insurance fraud to me by the original owner. Who in their right mind just leaves a case full of millions of dollars in valuables just sitting out in the open without surveillance. The owner of these cards seems sus to me
There was indeed video surveillance which probably helped create a false sense of security.
The hobby is full of the best the of the best 😂
Sadly I agree
Also won't be surprised that the owner might be incompetent enough to not have these cards insured.
@@crazycryptids likely cracked repacked.
@@crazycryptidseven insured, insurance won’t cover it. They would probably require security, and there wasn’t any
Police will not do jack shit about this despite the abundance of clues. My own personal experience I caught the thief or accomplice red handed selling my cards on eBay so I brought all receipts to the thief’s locations local P.D. PayPal receipts, pictures, scans of collection, etc. Mostly 1/1 1/10 and limited patch emblems autos. Police did NOTHING Sorry for your loss
I think this will be an FBI matter and not the police given the money involved and the way the scam went down
Dan,
Don't make ever apologize that you think you're over covering something. In my personal case you're one of two maybe 3 sports card UA-camrs I watch regularly. So often I hear from you first. It's not like I'm in lockstep agreement with you on all things sports cards but just enjoy your presentation mostly
I agree. Dan Dan the card man always gives a good take. EXCEPT where is his final interview with the mental midget PMG Ben guy who got taken for 23K? I bet e-bay never gave him his $$$ back as they promised, LOL
Thank you for the kind words mate
It was coordinated without a doubt. They even knew camera locations. If they are dumb they will resell in the same slabs. I think they crack and juice and resubmit doesn't matter who was involved. No way to confirm what was stolen either, and I don't trust anyone with vintage slabs or any card show stand, too many scammers, so can't discount owners involvement to not be more protective over that case and they knew which case to take? Seems suspicious
If someone puts Kurt's juice on these particular cards they are a gd fool
Don’t think dealer was involved they were on camera casing the table all day they knew what to go for. They knew what they were looking for. Never know but I’ll hold comments or judgement until the story unfolds. If it’s a honest theft it’s just very sad.
Many dealers have safes at their booths at the National. I think you’re right that more shows should be encouraging or even providing them for vendors.
What gets me is how did the perps know the dealers were going to leave that $2M box behind them, ON THE FLOOR, and with such easy access for any passerby to grab it??
Apparently they were watching them all day
@@DanTheCardMan2 But it seems like this must have been planned in advance, for so many perps to be playing their own part in the heist.
The group who robbed the box are a unit they went to the show to rob they aren’t buyers
Begs the question : Can PSA identify, with legal certainty, these cards if presented to them again ?
Nope
@@DanTheCardMan2 I would disagree, over a decade ago there was a 52 Mantle that was stolen and recovered years later due to the original owner having high resolution pictures and a police report. The flaws were identical and the card recovered. No different here. The cardboard will have certain flaws, fibers and coloration that is going to be unique, no matter the condition.
@@Collectwhatyoulike yeah but who discovered it? PSA barely look at each card. Once this thing is cracked out they aren’t going to pay close attention to notice imo
@@DanTheCardMan2 Agreed, that was over a decade ago but what's different today are the high resolution scans PSA does for those that have been recently graded. For older cards graded by PSA and other companies, definitely gotta hope you have high res pics and scans.
Thats why u dont leave ur shit lying around
Apparently there is clear cctv footage of the individuals who are suspected of doing it. I doubt these mugs will get much of a chance to cash in. They are on the run and will be rounded up fairly quickly one would assume. This was the polar opposite of an Ocean's Eleven style heist. Hopefully the dealer has insurance. Horrible.
Yes there is. If you go back to the IG I referenced in the video you can see everything
They need to use photo matching to determine if these cards show up at grading companies.
Just another indication of where the "hobby" stands and continues to go because of the boom.
these are real baseball cards. not junk slab wax era garbage shiney worthless trash
Fingerprints off chairs and polygraphs of the seller’s workers along with examining any outside surveillance which might show the thieves and their vehicles, these would be the starting places for the police.
Yep, the idiot stacked chairs well but forgot to wear gloves
Great point, Dan, about show promoters offering a safe-type service. Some promotors may think this is an unnecessary expense but it's not if you promote the high-end dealers and the big daddy cards they are bringing as an attraction.
Completely agree. Even if it’s an opt in only service and you need to pre register/ pay beforehand, I think it helps a lot.
Funny thing is Boozle, Ash travels with a big gun safe. The box just hadn't made it there yet, I guess. Plus, he lives in Dallas.
It was nice of the guy stacking chairs to keep an eye on them for him.
And why was the thief not even being asked what are you doing stacking chairs if he doesn't even work at the building.
I absolutely would not let these all leave my sight for any period of time! Really fucked up!
At the start of the video; all 3 employees are a good 20 feet or more away from the suitcase. Wouldn't the owner of the cards have a plan in place that one of the 3 employees is always holding the suitcase or sitting right with it? That's $2 million and it's 20+ feet from all 3 employees. The FBI will have to question the employees
Who leaves 1 person at a large area of tables with millions of dollars in cards packed in small cases? Why did the dealer have a case with $2m in cards so close to the far side of the area? Not saying they weren't robed but with the market down currently a simple theft of millions isn't outside the realm of possibility.
They had three people watching the table and they were each individually distracted
@@DanTheCardMan2 I see that now after rewatching it. My question would then be why were all 3 outside of the perimeter with that much in cards sitting around. It looks like they had the 4 tables to the bottom left but kept millions in cards by the open end on the opposite side? If someone is creeping by a location behind the tables where you have millions in cards why would you go to a customer instead of securing those cards better first? It smells of either a sever lapse in judgment or an inside job. Having done shows in the past I would never have high dollar cards behind me. I also wouldn't be in front of the tables especially if there were multiple access points to behind them. I grew up in a law enforcement household, dad is a retired officer and mom was the head of loss prevention for a large retail store chain, so everything either says to me that the criminals picked up way more than they were expecting (were hoping for a few thousand not million so it wouldn't be a huge store) or they had help from someone who worked there and knew exactly what they were getting.
These guys probably did this before. They had this planned and worked well as a team.
It’s unfortunate that we have to worry about stuff like this. I hope the cards are found. People are scumbags, however also a lesson to those who need it…protect the things you value. In a perfect world everyone is honest and trustworthy, world ain’t perfect.
Well said mate
Cards are left out, surprised it doesn’t happen more, let me rephrase, it’s sad it happens, truly believe you should round up the wagons, and leave no entrances.
Also, to your point at having your guard up in the hobby… I’ve had mine up since I was about 12 years old and had my favorite card stolen. As a vendor, my partner or I never really take our eyes off the inventory. Albeit pessimistic, I kinda just assume everybody has it in them to steal, unfortunately.
It’s honestly difficult, especially when a show is busy. These guys had three staff and still got caught slipping.
@@DanTheCardMan2 These vendors weren’t the sharpest tools in the shed
Ash texted our group last night on FB to please keep a lookout, which of course we will do. He's always been very professional to work with and is a nice guy- I feel badly for him. Also, the brunette lady on the middle right of the screen turns and pivots at the exact time the other guy picks up the case, and she continues to look in his direction as she continues her walk- just looks too coincidental to me. She is probably a spy for the team. Sorry Ash
I’ll need to watch it back. I have a good feeling the community will catch these people.
Great stuff my man. This hobby has ALWAYS been full of crooks and I know it’s not fun to hear but there are more crooks than good men in this hobby so just be more careful with merchandise and be aware of what buyers , sellers and companies are currently and historically doing.
1. Theft
2. False information
3. Market manipulation
4. Capitalizing on un informed individuals
That’s are markets dark side in order so be aware and be careful
You got that right!
"Virtually impossible" to track. I agree.
Any explanation on why the most expensive card the ‘52 Mantle PSA4 wasn’t taken?
I think it was in a separate case.
If I had cards if that value I’m not going anywhere without great cameras and security wow!
Definitely not 2 million, are their parents cousins? They’re pricing them like if that’s what those cards are actually selling for, they aren’t.
Its retail valuation
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Just sit this one out.
Terrible to see this happen in this hobby. But, as many videos that have been released it’s only a matter of time before one guy gets pinched and then rolls on the rest of the crew once the threat of prosecution and serious jail time for stealing 1.98M worth of cards comes up (saw another video by Jay from Mojosports where he totaled it up, was 165 cards totaling over 1.98M).
Yup! There is so much footage and this has spread like wildfire. Only a matter of time
The case stolen was poke bulk and owned is either an insurance scammer or the not smartest person on earth. If I had just one of those cards id have eyes on it at all times. You gotta be brilliant to put them all in one case and leave it unsupervised. Insurance shouldn’t pay due to negligence. They can’t be held accountable for the owner taking them in public and not caring about them. What a moron of insurance scam attempt
I am not entirely sure. FBI likely will get involved and so many eyes on this that they’ll get caught if they did
He has 6 huge cases like that one, LOL
Insurance scam? The owner was in cahoots with the thieves?
Vendor POVs are popular because they also act as a deterrent, besides just making content. I hope there were some vendor cameras (or buyer POVs) set up that may have some usable images for law enforcement.
Cameras everywhere problems is how much will the police get involved ive known them to drag their feet in certain cases
Sounds like multiple people were involved.
looks like it to. You must be a genius quiz kid
Totally careless on the part of the card owner.......
Wouldn’t say totally careless
Blame the victim?
Ok, please understand I am not blaming the victim. I will go to the macau show this year. So I discuss with my uncles whom will do shows at Jewel or Watches exhibition, from them, I learn that even the logistic part is covered with insurance. I think if your booth worths more than 1m or even multi m insurance is something on the table. It seems like it is not a thing for card shows for now.
Of course if you ask me, let's say my small collection of around 300k is covered, the money does not compensate the lost of the collection. (It is like, you shared about the card you look for and you finally get it and waiting to be shipped, you have shipping insurance but it was seriously damaged or lost, the insurance is not doing something good for you)
But I guess for those set up the booth as business. It might be something we should start thinking. Again, not blaming the victim, if my uncles did not share their experience, I wont even know even the logistic part should be insured.
I understand where you are coming from. Unfortunately this was just a really bad lapse in judgement. The thieves knew what they were doing and worked the staff really well.
@@DanTheCardMan2 I saw the video. Yes it is disgusting. Just I feel like maybe it is time we discuss about insurance for shows.
@@mingshuncheng8310 I agree, that’s why I mentioned the thing about safes. Like you see with watch conventions
Dont always believe what u see, looks sus.
It does but these dealers are well known and they’d be foolish to be in on it, these guys will get caught very quickly
Sucks that happen, you bring $2 million worth of cards to a show, to save on taxes and fees, you’re putting a target on your back, when you can just auction them. There’s a lot of scammers in cards by posting this everywhere your just giving others the blue print on how to do this, I’m sure it’s going to happen again
Definitely risky but this was super brazen
Its an insurance job or there all in on it, 70k bounty put up you'd ransom them for a mill
I talk to this in the next video. It would be beyond idiotic to be an insurance job
I have a lot of thoughts on this. I’ll try to keep it short.
The victim blaming is expected, but is nonsense. How could this happen? Easy… show was over closed to the public. So they had a false sense of security. They all thought each other were watching the cards. Dallas card show dropped the ball here you have random people stacking chairs with no credentials creating an unsafe environment for all the dealers trying to pack up valuables. Why are random people still on the floor??
I go back-and-forth about if I think they’ll be caught, I see some of the footage of them paying for admission, and I think OK somebody will recognize these guys
Then I think people are underestimating how easy these cards will be to move for the most part. Even the 52 Mantles. They’re not that unique. It wouldn’t even be tough to crack it and change the appearance just a bit. Lay low for a year and grade it.
A lot of the other stuff, although valuable is super common, not hard to find stuff
A lot of people are missing exactly what you said in your first paragraph. I cover this portion again in part 2 that drops in a few hours.
They will 100% get caught. I talk to that sentiment a little further in the next video as well as why they need to be careful that they don't add to their list of crimes.
@@DanTheCardMan2 oh cool can’t wait to watch part 2
Only cover it briefly but basically say portions of what you covered.
Crazy.
Insurance scam. Makes no sense
I am not entirely sure. FBI likely will get involved and so many eyes on this that they’ll get caught if they did
@@DanTheCardMan2 Ash is not going to risk his reputation which took him YEARs to cultivate with an Insurance scam, IMHO.
Why would someone post video of the people stealing the cards if they were involved in an insurance scam? They wouldn’t.
@@BringingTheHeat-VBCcompletely agree
@@tiffanycards960100%
I hope for the best for these guys and it surely sucks. But with the knowledge that sketchy characters are constantly peppered into every online and in-person platform, how can this level of lack of awareness be sympathized with? I learned my lesson with a single 1k card where I allowed myself to be distracted. How can this 1mil+ case not be attached to the hip? The only excuse for this level of carelessness is if it is a completely empty room other than your help. Even then, you watch for the backstab. I'm having trouble with that.
People are just too trustworthy and complacent. Mistakes happen but with that much inventory you’d think you’d be a bit more in your toes
If they were this coordinated these slabs are cracked and in repacks now.
Sadly, you’re 100% correct
Thanks for sharing Dan
You bet
All added to the Stolen Card Database.
Great work mate
Does PSA put their invisible DNA on all slabbed cards or only on unslabbed items?
I don’t think they’re actively using it yet
@@DanTheCardMan2 They do DNA tagging, but after researching I think only for auto certs. One reason the DNA slabs were once a different blue flip.
I cant understand you is it days daves sports cards like GEEZ 🤦
Days
make money off it ;)
?
this channel is boring , stop
Only if you say please
Whats his IG Handle Geeez ????
I mentioned it a few times
SHEESH FIRST 🔥
🫡
Im curious to know how fast he knew the cards were missing along with how fast je managed to get all the cards nicely in photos to post on social media
The cards were photographed when out on display in his table. Lots of dealers do this to track what sold over the weekend
it's well know he has those cards. He posts them weekly several places including his website. He a fair buyer and seller. He marks up high before coming down 10-12 %. He gets the cards and sells them too.
@@BringingTheHeat-VBC ok good for him.
Insurance fraud
If it was they are going to get caught really quickly. The FBI will get involved given the value of these things.
Bullshit.