420 sailing reach with spinnaker 35+ knots

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  • @bernadettechandler4003
    @bernadettechandler4003 4 роки тому +33

    I'm nearly 60 now and I remember sailing with my dad and older sister, we sailed just like that it was crazy and fun... We sailed in Lasers, 420's and then dad upgraded to a B25 Binks trailer sailer, modelled with a famous winged keel... Mum got to sail then, but she stayed mostly in the cabin🤢poor mum... Dad was so competitive and going in many boat races... He was always getting us to help rig up and go out crewing for him and for his many friends😅I was always trying to get out of it by running off swimming with my friends... 😅It was quite hair raising... I remember crewing for a friend with a twin hulled Catamaran, I had to get harnessed into a trapeze and I was only about 11 or 12 years old...and were out in the deep water and unfortunately we capsized and it put me off going out again...
    Dear dad we had great holidays every Christmas at Balnarring Beach Vic I reckon if you were to visit that yacht club, you would see trophy boards engraved with his name... 🤔⛵😔
    RIP my dear dad
    ❤️Brian Hatley-Smith

  • @toms5964
    @toms5964 7 років тому +7

    This video prompted my first youtube post, after 10+ years of watching. It's been even longer since I sailed a 420/470 in that kind of breeze, but I gotta say, Bravo! That is _right_ on the hairy edge, in that boat, in that air, flying a kite.... I don't know if those guys felt fear, but I know I would've been close.
    This brought back so many great memories. Thank you, sailors, and camera person, and all others, for sharing!

  • @johnthefirst6049
    @johnthefirst6049 10 років тому +57

    very nice music. so peaceful

    • @crapotin59
      @crapotin59 3 роки тому

      Eole is a musician too.

  • @aliozsamsun9229
    @aliozsamsun9229 10 років тому +13

    I think the main is depowering because the boat moves faster than the wind while landing down from the wave. This is typical during downwind sailing in the high seas. Anyhow, a great video...

    • @cheezin2610
      @cheezin2610 4 роки тому +4

      It is impossible for a 420 to go 35 kts hahaha

    • @itisinfactpaul2868
      @itisinfactpaul2868 4 роки тому +3

      @@cheezin2610 yeah irk. The main is depowering cause the skipper dumps it so he doesnt send the boat straight underwater.

  • @lovrepeovic
    @lovrepeovic 9 років тому +13

    Huge balls! Very good, keep it up! As someone that's sailed as a helmsman in 420 from 2004-2010 I'd say you guys need some more experience in maintaining control of the boat in those kind of conditions, especially the helmsman, who needs to work a lil more with the mainsail and rudder.

    • @TheMrbombastic13
      @TheMrbombastic13 8 років тому +1

      you sailed 420 for 6 years???!!! were u high on lsd at that time?

    • @katieswikart4144
      @katieswikart4144 8 років тому

      AHAHAHAHA most likely

  • @Nickster1234567890
    @Nickster1234567890 12 років тому +3

    35+ knots? that's amazing. most extreme i've done on 420's was 2 meter waves and 15 knots of wind gusting to 20 knots

  • @trollfacejr1
    @trollfacejr1 10 років тому +7

    Pretty decent sailing however, keep the spinnaker powered up it will make it Easier don't be afraid to push the boat.

    • @TheMiccamuk
      @TheMiccamuk 3 роки тому

      that's easy to say if youre over 10 stone!

  • @edshift
    @edshift 14 років тому

    Best thing about the 420 is sailing in inappropriate winds.
    Luved that video.
    Bet you had fun.
    Thx

  • @talm12
    @talm12 13 років тому +2

    Great video XD
    Sailed with my partner in 25 knots in the sea(salt water) and another time in about 30-34 knots in a lake haha...but we only weight 105 kilograms..
    after all we couldn't raise the spinnaker since we barely managed without it :-)
    good job guys

  • @edshift
    @edshift 12 років тому +1

    Looks like fun. Scary but fun.
    Gotta love 420s for their abaility in crazy winds.
    Top stuff.

  • @trondwell13
    @trondwell13 8 років тому +57

    barely sailing - just surviving in the most awkward state

    • @thomaswalker9182
      @thomaswalker9182 8 років тому +4

      agreed

    • @Tintin-dm4ym
      @Tintin-dm4ym 5 років тому +4

      Nah, that’s proper sailing

    • @OhKnow379
      @OhKnow379 3 роки тому +2

      Look at those waves mate!

    • @death.9738
      @death.9738 2 роки тому +3

      You do realise that professional 420 and 470 regattas will give you 3 races on this wind with these waves without hesitation.
      I sail these myself and I've won regattas in these conditions, it's not "barely surviving" if you know how to work the boat.

    • @moaerdo1357
      @moaerdo1357 Рік тому

      “Barely sailing” cunt this is real sailing, and if your boat is rigged properly and your experienced enough this isn’t “surviving” it’s thriving

  • @nysailing
    @nysailing 13 років тому

    @pegasus619Q "Reaching" is a larger range - it's whenever a boat is not sailing directly downwind (running) and not as close to the wind as possible (close hauled). When the wind is 90 degrees to the side, it's called a beam reach. The other reaches are "close" (slightly toward the wind) and "broad" (mostly away from the wind).

  • @alexl6595
    @alexl6595 Рік тому

    This rather heavy duty material and human testing that classic 420 sailing 😅 very nice, tough guys 👍

  • @cowshittt
    @cowshittt 14 років тому +1

    nice. The crew stays in the water more than in the boat. :D

  • @timelwell7002
    @timelwell7002 2 роки тому +1

    It's a chaotic, crazy ride. They don't seem to be in control at any point here - or if they are, it's just for a few moments and then they are back struggling to control anything. perhaps if they had pointed up slightly higher into wind. A lot of the time their spinnaker is flapping around with no control.
    I have sailed a dinghy in these conditions myself (a Hornet) but we had control. But then, we weren't attempting to use the spinnaker. In our case, it was gusting up to Force 8, and out of a fleet of 20 boats, only 3 of us made it to the finish line. We were the only boat to have avoided a capsize - but we didn't attempt to jibe at any point. Whereas we didn't even attempt to hoist the spinny, all the other boats kept putting up their kites, only to be blown over shortly afterwards.

    • @desmondjason6195
      @desmondjason6195 8 місяців тому

      I disagree on the turning higher up, that would just put power into the mainsail and make them loose more control. To de power the boat (at least for a 420 anyway) I find it best to head down to create more stability

  • @awhapshott
    @awhapshott 12 років тому +2

    Good effort lads. Crank in some main and keep the kite powered up, it will help you. Don't be afraid to push the boat; its what it was designed for! :D
    If the boats up and tracking, the apparent wind is less so loads are reduced, flow around the sails is steady and controllable, and you can cut down the big rudder movements as everything is in balance. Good luck and happy sailing!

  • @Lock601
    @Lock601 12 років тому

    Sick reach, skipper's gotta hike more and sheet in, bear off a touch and ease the vang. Speaking from experience. Jealous of the wind though, that's a nice day on Lake Ontario

  • @Rockdamned
    @Rockdamned 14 років тому +6

    hawl that main! ;)

  • @Refrigerator1515
    @Refrigerator1515 5 місяців тому

    Holy shit that is my worst fear as a 420 sailor with those waves

  • @mommekampen
    @mommekampen 13 років тому

    Nice ride! Well, little out of control at some point, but that's my favorite sailing!

  • @dieselmotor1792
    @dieselmotor1792 3 роки тому

    That spin rlly took a beating!

  • @adamwconduit
    @adamwconduit 10 років тому +6

    very brave chaps !!!

  • @painterwithcurls2012
    @painterwithcurls2012 13 років тому +4

    0:38 is like the story of my life...

  • @29ersailor121
    @29ersailor121 12 років тому

    @Theef3kw I have sailed both and my opinion is that 29ers are much easier to capsize. yes it is harder to contol a symetric than an asemetric, but on a whole i think 29ers are harder.

  • @176988
    @176988 13 років тому +1

    You wouldn't be heeling to windward if you got the main in, look at the top of the sail.
    Move the weight back the skipper should be hiking as far back as possible. And the crew should be pretty much strattling the skippers back.
    Ive done 29er racing in 30 gusting 40, the faster you go the more stable you will be.
    Props for sailing in those conditions.

  • @Molotow4ever
    @Molotow4ever 13 років тому

    @mayersmusic when you put the jib down, where would you put the jib ? and it takes to long to put it down

  • @hendrixharlow
    @hendrixharlow 13 років тому

    Greeeaat! Probably like 18kt sustained puffs to 30+ Still nothing to shake a stick at though...

  • @henryburnes9764
    @henryburnes9764 10 років тому +4

    lol i love how all of the people on here who have no experience taking footage of sailing keep trying to shoot this video down and say that it is no where near 35 knots. I have sailed in 35 + knots many times before and have experience taking footage. Without the noise of the wind, it is hard to tell actually how hard its blowing. This video is clearly 35 knots and if you think its not get out of your chair and sail
    EDIT: the reason they aren't pulling the main in all the way is because they will flip
    and the reason the crew isn't flatwireing is because of the waves

    • @ushoys
      @ushoys 5 років тому

      I thought "35 knots" referred to the boat speed

  • @YRacingCAN
    @YRacingCAN 13 років тому

    Awesome! but why bother with the spinaker when the main is mostly flogging? still awesome.

  • @simon4043
    @simon4043 13 років тому +1

    Nothing wrong with the helmsman. You've got to move like that the surf the waves.
    Spinnaker and jib trimming could be better, but could I do that in 35 knots? I don't think so!

  • @kingson75
    @kingson75 13 років тому +1

    on music videos, lil wayne gets dissed.
    on sailing videos, the skipper gets ATTACKED lol

  • @farts491
    @farts491 14 років тому

    looks like an awesome place to sail where is it filmed at?

  • @joeecoollunder
    @joeecoollunder 12 років тому +8

    forget the sailing, i was just headbanging the whole time

  • @awhapshott
    @awhapshott 13 років тому

    Looks like good fun. If you man up and pull the kite in, the boat will go faster, be more easy to control and you won't Teabag so often. Whats the worst that could happen? ..You might get wet.

  • @Claasinator001
    @Claasinator001 13 років тому

    @djinphinity100 ccol segelst du auch 420ger ???
    oder was segelst du ???

  • @snakeking992000
    @snakeking992000 11 років тому +1

    C'mon guys, give these fellow sailors a break -- skill on the tiller becomes a graceful art while sailing downwind in waves. As for "35+", it might have been gusting to 35, but I agree, it's not consistently 35.

  • @wolfb4u
    @wolfb4u 12 років тому +1

    I'd say a little vang would clean that main up and stop the oscilating

    • @andrewwhite1793
      @andrewwhite1793 6 років тому

      Yes, after racing in too much wind a couple of Sundays in a row I have to agree. After a couple of capsizes in a usually slow old boat, leave the board down and all the vang you can pull was good advice that made it much more stable. Though my sailing looked just as untidy! I too would not have been so brave if the rescue boat had not been keeping a close watch.

  • @TheJimpickeringjr
    @TheJimpickeringjr Рік тому

    Pretty awesome!

  • @mrtedmiester
    @mrtedmiester 13 років тому

    was that 420 making those wakes?

  • @TheSoling27
    @TheSoling27 9 років тому +1

    Spinnaker in this level of wind is redundant -- did this in a 12' Echo with main and jib and had a blast...

  • @DogOffTheTube
    @DogOffTheTube 13 років тому

    @13lackhole yes, but you can use a gennaker or a 470's one

  • @Molotow4ever
    @Molotow4ever 13 років тому

    what winddirection is this ?

  • @TWIDDLE252
    @TWIDDLE252 13 років тому

    Looks fun - big waves and sunshine - but no way 35 knots. More like 23 - 25

  • @djinphinity100
    @djinphinity100 13 років тому

    @Claasinator001 ein bissien hast du den haupt segel gesehen der am ENDE der häte zerreisen könen

  • @Jehag2
    @Jehag2 9 років тому +10

    That is something like a 20 knot wind (5 Bft), not a 35 knot boat speed. And even that wind speed is optimistic, for there is hardly any foam on the waves.

    • @sirvidia
      @sirvidia 7 років тому +1

      420s are not terribly fast boats, either. same handicap as a Wayfarer

  • @morgman77
    @morgman77 14 років тому

    @tiv2fan umm no its a 420, hence the stubby bow, shorter mast, an 420 written on the top of the sail.....these dudes blow at sailing too, i used to race for a while on the east coast, i could have been rockin that shit

  • @enzocarpaccio
    @enzocarpaccio 13 років тому

    @pegasus619Q its the point of sail where the wind hits your boat at a 90 degree angle

  • @Davidech61
    @Davidech61 13 років тому +1

    that's not 35+ for sure. Waves and foam are for 20-25 knots

  • @harrysaunders5719
    @harrysaunders5719 12 років тому +2

    ~WARNING~ if you like your hearing or headphones please turn your sound down to 1 at 00:01

  • @pbr2424
    @pbr2424 13 років тому

    Thanks for posting. Nice video

  • @505KP
    @505KP 11 років тому +2

    Windy? Yes. 35+? No.

  • @philipdavis1159
    @philipdavis1159 10 років тому

    You have to deal with some leeward heel in these conditions, or else everytime a wave hits from the side the crew will get knocked into the water. You just needed a little bit more mainsheet trim.

  • @snipefordinner
    @snipefordinner 11 років тому

    Is skipper a beginner?

  • @PrettyGetGoing
    @PrettyGetGoing 13 років тому

    @Parkdaleperrys I would too! with those weaves!

  • @Theef3kw
    @Theef3kw 14 років тому

    @bomberchicken ye you can if you have enough windward heel on the boat...i know from experiance...its knowhere near as fast as 420 on a run though

  • @whiteboyfunk1
    @whiteboyfunk1 9 років тому

    Give 'em credit for not being shells on the beach, BUT, I'd need to see a wind indicator's reading..., I've been out on my Supercat 19 with gusts to 30, the swells were 8-10, couldn't tell ya' our speed, too much happening to care.

  • @kecuthbertson
    @kecuthbertson 13 років тому

    @Armyairborn1234 yea i know, i sail both types of boats, but 50-60 knots is a LOT more wind..

  • @Sliq_Mick96
    @Sliq_Mick96 13 років тому

    Why are you trapping so far forward?

  • @TheMiccamuk
    @TheMiccamuk 3 роки тому

    35+ knots windspeed not boatspeed which some people seem to think. Americas cup AC72 foilers typically do 30 knots, theres no way a 50 year old heavy dinghy designed as a trainer for 470's can do that!

  • @NeilBoltonRSPL
    @NeilBoltonRSPL 13 років тому

    UA-cam Nokia "18 ft Skiff in heavy wind". That's real sailing. This is a kiddie boat.

  • @peteconwaymusic6500
    @peteconwaymusic6500 4 роки тому

    That Was Hectic!

  • @jsmcguireIII
    @jsmcguireIII 14 років тому

    more a run than a reach, and more like 25+ knots. I would head up a tad for a (slightly) more stable ride and sheet that main. They must be Laser sailors - we always go when our brain says - maybe no. They were probably laughing like maniacs!

  • @suckerfree23
    @suckerfree23 13 років тому

    is the skipper even wearing a lifejacket?

  • @ironbirdhouse
    @ironbirdhouse 14 років тому

    fyi its an I420 because of the circular splashguard and national insignia, and its windier than it looks, ive noticed that that cameras remove 10 knots always haha

  • @ChrysaKrokida
    @ChrysaKrokida 13 років тому

    do you know the land?

  • @ابوايوب-ف7ق
    @ابوايوب-ف7ق 5 років тому

    Je suis un Algérien qui maitrise très bien le 470 malheureusement cette série olympiques on n'a pas des moyens ce qui veut investir dans le domaine soyez les bienvenus

  • @airscrew26
    @airscrew26 14 років тому

    Thats my point doggy. Would you try that, or do you have more respect for the boat and spinnaker than they do???
    Some people are sailors, and some are just crazy...

  • @RastaMon2121
    @RastaMon2121 12 років тому

    Gusty as shit dude but u have to love the 420's ability for the size of it

  • @Claasinator001
    @Claasinator001 13 років тому

    @djinphinity100 ??? kommst du aus Deutschland??? .
    ja du hast recht

  • @Claasinator001
    @Claasinator001 13 років тому

    @djinphinity100 achso coool
    segelst du auch In Verein ???

  • @viviziabibi494
    @viviziabibi494 11 років тому

    this boys have 14 and 15 years, they are very nice!!!!

  • @pegasus619Q
    @pegasus619Q 13 років тому

    whats reaching mean?

  • @loonyburton5
    @loonyburton5 12 років тому

    be happy you came home in one piece

  • @jamesgriffin96
    @jamesgriffin96 13 років тому +6

    great way to ruin you sails very fast :) hahahah

  • @khan2711
    @khan2711 12 років тому

    Hmmm that's a terribly trimmed main sail, flapping on the downwind? They would be going much faster if helm pulled in the main sail and crew toggled down on the wire... He's practically standing up on the gunnels!

  • @swile121
    @swile121 13 років тому

    a few things to say
    1 sick video and everthing.
    2 yoours sails were luffing for like 90% of the video
    3 props to the crew for doing trap and spin perty hard shit
    4 skip should try to control the boats beter suprised the crew dident do a forstay walk.
    that is all lol

  • @dropsyfloorsy
    @dropsyfloorsy 14 років тому

    make sure you incorporate all the great feedback from arm-chair skippers. also, people who call you out about tournaments like it's a kumate - be intimidated.

  • @jadeng3879
    @jadeng3879 6 років тому

    Contronl technology is very good !

  • @thatoneguy99100
    @thatoneguy99100 12 років тому

    YOU. ARE. INSANE.

  • @asterixky
    @asterixky 10 років тому +12

    You guys need more practice. You have to feel the wind and the waves, and be very quick on your legs and abs.

    • @team3383
      @team3383 6 років тому +2

      i don't think they would be out in 35knts of wind if they didn't already do this.
      30 knots and the committee doesn't send any boats onto the water. this is 35knts.
      the rest of the fleet are probably sipping soda in the harbour.

  • @ikki_crew
    @ikki_crew 13 років тому

    @Claasinator001 einfach geil

  • @mayersmusic
    @mayersmusic 13 років тому

    Why would you use a spinnaker on a 420 with the jib still up? The jib is stealing most of the spinnakers wind anyway.

  • @fsant653
    @fsant653 13 років тому

    @kjelsvik I got 8 and gusts to 9 beaufort on the nord sea once, the (I don't know the term in english cuz I'm dutch) iron thread at starboard snapped and the mast bended, luckely the boat was not mine but from a sports organization :D It was fun though, I went over board 6 times in 3 houres

  • @ceounicom
    @ceounicom 12 років тому

    Is it me or they're having spinnaker problems the whole time?

  • @thrjygdcmnbfdzfsa
    @thrjygdcmnbfdzfsa 11 років тому

    ive sailed a cadet in forty knots with a spinnaker without capsizing

  • @Armyairborn1234
    @Armyairborn1234 13 років тому

    @kylecuthbertson we arent talkinabout a schooner....big difference bro.

  • @kecuthbertson
    @kecuthbertson 13 років тому

    ive sailed in 50 gusting 60 in an old wooden scout cutter.... we managed to stay up for like 5 minutes! didnt end well tho..

  • @NeilBoltonRSPL
    @NeilBoltonRSPL 14 років тому +1

    UA-cam: Nokia 18 ft Skiff in heavy wind

  • @DavidDetonation
    @DavidDetonation 13 років тому

    hang on lower in the trapeze,
    where is that?

  • @JdeRooy
    @JdeRooy 14 років тому

    thats just insane

  • @2lax4life
    @2lax4life 13 років тому

    as my coach always tells me... you break... you swim.

  • @TheTsunamiSam
    @TheTsunamiSam 13 років тому

    where you at hull speed

  • @3003mama
    @3003mama 12 років тому

    he could have made the trapeze longer so he gets a better angle and so sustain stronger wind

  • @bartsimpson995
    @bartsimpson995 12 років тому +1

    420 is awesome

  • @Theef3kw
    @Theef3kw 14 років тому

    @29ersailor121 i think 29ers are easier to sail than thes :P the symetric is a lot harder

  • @thimblethorpe
    @thimblethorpe 13 років тому

    I think my 420's mast would have snapped. I wouldn't have been out in that without a safety boat

  • @pcollins136
    @pcollins136 12 років тому

    that is sick

  • @barrygunton4883
    @barrygunton4883 10 років тому +1

    Give me a hobie 16 in the same conditions anytime.
    Barry G

    • @toms5964
      @toms5964 7 років тому

      that, sir, must be a jioke

  • @moby855
    @moby855 13 років тому

    The Helm is very slow. Mainsail.... ÁÁÁÁ The boat is unstable. More vang and use the mainsheet yeah!

  • @computerssuck100
    @computerssuck100 13 років тому

    Look at the mountains not much fetch i was out in a blow of 20 gust 25 and not 100 yards off shore and it was similar luck to have 5 mile fetch here water is a BAD indicator of wind