I'm nearly 60 now and I remember sailing with my dad and older sister, we sailed just like that it was crazy and fun... We sailed in Lasers, 420's and then dad upgraded to a B25 Binks trailer sailer, modelled with a famous winged keel... Mum got to sail then, but she stayed mostly in the cabin🤢poor mum... Dad was so competitive and going in many boat races... He was always getting us to help rig up and go out crewing for him and for his many friends😅I was always trying to get out of it by running off swimming with my friends... 😅It was quite hair raising... I remember crewing for a friend with a twin hulled Catamaran, I had to get harnessed into a trapeze and I was only about 11 or 12 years old...and were out in the deep water and unfortunately we capsized and it put me off going out again... Dear dad we had great holidays every Christmas at Balnarring Beach Vic I reckon if you were to visit that yacht club, you would see trophy boards engraved with his name... 🤔⛵😔 RIP my dear dad ❤️Brian Hatley-Smith
This video prompted my first youtube post, after 10+ years of watching. It's been even longer since I sailed a 420/470 in that kind of breeze, but I gotta say, Bravo! That is _right_ on the hairy edge, in that boat, in that air, flying a kite.... I don't know if those guys felt fear, but I know I would've been close. This brought back so many great memories. Thank you, sailors, and camera person, and all others, for sharing!
I think the main is depowering because the boat moves faster than the wind while landing down from the wave. This is typical during downwind sailing in the high seas. Anyhow, a great video...
Huge balls! Very good, keep it up! As someone that's sailed as a helmsman in 420 from 2004-2010 I'd say you guys need some more experience in maintaining control of the boat in those kind of conditions, especially the helmsman, who needs to work a lil more with the mainsail and rudder.
Great video XD Sailed with my partner in 25 knots in the sea(salt water) and another time in about 30-34 knots in a lake haha...but we only weight 105 kilograms.. after all we couldn't raise the spinnaker since we barely managed without it :-) good job guys
You do realise that professional 420 and 470 regattas will give you 3 races on this wind with these waves without hesitation. I sail these myself and I've won regattas in these conditions, it's not "barely surviving" if you know how to work the boat.
@pegasus619Q "Reaching" is a larger range - it's whenever a boat is not sailing directly downwind (running) and not as close to the wind as possible (close hauled). When the wind is 90 degrees to the side, it's called a beam reach. The other reaches are "close" (slightly toward the wind) and "broad" (mostly away from the wind).
It's a chaotic, crazy ride. They don't seem to be in control at any point here - or if they are, it's just for a few moments and then they are back struggling to control anything. perhaps if they had pointed up slightly higher into wind. A lot of the time their spinnaker is flapping around with no control. I have sailed a dinghy in these conditions myself (a Hornet) but we had control. But then, we weren't attempting to use the spinnaker. In our case, it was gusting up to Force 8, and out of a fleet of 20 boats, only 3 of us made it to the finish line. We were the only boat to have avoided a capsize - but we didn't attempt to jibe at any point. Whereas we didn't even attempt to hoist the spinny, all the other boats kept putting up their kites, only to be blown over shortly afterwards.
I disagree on the turning higher up, that would just put power into the mainsail and make them loose more control. To de power the boat (at least for a 420 anyway) I find it best to head down to create more stability
Good effort lads. Crank in some main and keep the kite powered up, it will help you. Don't be afraid to push the boat; its what it was designed for! :D If the boats up and tracking, the apparent wind is less so loads are reduced, flow around the sails is steady and controllable, and you can cut down the big rudder movements as everything is in balance. Good luck and happy sailing!
Sick reach, skipper's gotta hike more and sheet in, bear off a touch and ease the vang. Speaking from experience. Jealous of the wind though, that's a nice day on Lake Ontario
@Theef3kw I have sailed both and my opinion is that 29ers are much easier to capsize. yes it is harder to contol a symetric than an asemetric, but on a whole i think 29ers are harder.
You wouldn't be heeling to windward if you got the main in, look at the top of the sail. Move the weight back the skipper should be hiking as far back as possible. And the crew should be pretty much strattling the skippers back. Ive done 29er racing in 30 gusting 40, the faster you go the more stable you will be. Props for sailing in those conditions.
lol i love how all of the people on here who have no experience taking footage of sailing keep trying to shoot this video down and say that it is no where near 35 knots. I have sailed in 35 + knots many times before and have experience taking footage. Without the noise of the wind, it is hard to tell actually how hard its blowing. This video is clearly 35 knots and if you think its not get out of your chair and sail EDIT: the reason they aren't pulling the main in all the way is because they will flip and the reason the crew isn't flatwireing is because of the waves
Nothing wrong with the helmsman. You've got to move like that the surf the waves. Spinnaker and jib trimming could be better, but could I do that in 35 knots? I don't think so!
Looks like good fun. If you man up and pull the kite in, the boat will go faster, be more easy to control and you won't Teabag so often. Whats the worst that could happen? ..You might get wet.
C'mon guys, give these fellow sailors a break -- skill on the tiller becomes a graceful art while sailing downwind in waves. As for "35+", it might have been gusting to 35, but I agree, it's not consistently 35.
Yes, after racing in too much wind a couple of Sundays in a row I have to agree. After a couple of capsizes in a usually slow old boat, leave the board down and all the vang you can pull was good advice that made it much more stable. Though my sailing looked just as untidy! I too would not have been so brave if the rescue boat had not been keeping a close watch.
That is something like a 20 knot wind (5 Bft), not a 35 knot boat speed. And even that wind speed is optimistic, for there is hardly any foam on the waves.
@tiv2fan umm no its a 420, hence the stubby bow, shorter mast, an 420 written on the top of the sail.....these dudes blow at sailing too, i used to race for a while on the east coast, i could have been rockin that shit
You have to deal with some leeward heel in these conditions, or else everytime a wave hits from the side the crew will get knocked into the water. You just needed a little bit more mainsheet trim.
Give 'em credit for not being shells on the beach, BUT, I'd need to see a wind indicator's reading..., I've been out on my Supercat 19 with gusts to 30, the swells were 8-10, couldn't tell ya' our speed, too much happening to care.
35+ knots windspeed not boatspeed which some people seem to think. Americas cup AC72 foilers typically do 30 knots, theres no way a 50 year old heavy dinghy designed as a trainer for 470's can do that!
more a run than a reach, and more like 25+ knots. I would head up a tad for a (slightly) more stable ride and sheet that main. They must be Laser sailors - we always go when our brain says - maybe no. They were probably laughing like maniacs!
fyi its an I420 because of the circular splashguard and national insignia, and its windier than it looks, ive noticed that that cameras remove 10 knots always haha
Je suis un Algérien qui maitrise très bien le 470 malheureusement cette série olympiques on n'a pas des moyens ce qui veut investir dans le domaine soyez les bienvenus
Thats my point doggy. Would you try that, or do you have more respect for the boat and spinnaker than they do??? Some people are sailors, and some are just crazy...
Hmmm that's a terribly trimmed main sail, flapping on the downwind? They would be going much faster if helm pulled in the main sail and crew toggled down on the wire... He's practically standing up on the gunnels!
a few things to say 1 sick video and everthing. 2 yoours sails were luffing for like 90% of the video 3 props to the crew for doing trap and spin perty hard shit 4 skip should try to control the boats beter suprised the crew dident do a forstay walk. that is all lol
make sure you incorporate all the great feedback from arm-chair skippers. also, people who call you out about tournaments like it's a kumate - be intimidated.
i don't think they would be out in 35knts of wind if they didn't already do this. 30 knots and the committee doesn't send any boats onto the water. this is 35knts. the rest of the fleet are probably sipping soda in the harbour.
@kjelsvik I got 8 and gusts to 9 beaufort on the nord sea once, the (I don't know the term in english cuz I'm dutch) iron thread at starboard snapped and the mast bended, luckely the boat was not mine but from a sports organization :D It was fun though, I went over board 6 times in 3 houres
Look at the mountains not much fetch i was out in a blow of 20 gust 25 and not 100 yards off shore and it was similar luck to have 5 mile fetch here water is a BAD indicator of wind
I'm nearly 60 now and I remember sailing with my dad and older sister, we sailed just like that it was crazy and fun... We sailed in Lasers, 420's and then dad upgraded to a B25 Binks trailer sailer, modelled with a famous winged keel... Mum got to sail then, but she stayed mostly in the cabin🤢poor mum... Dad was so competitive and going in many boat races... He was always getting us to help rig up and go out crewing for him and for his many friends😅I was always trying to get out of it by running off swimming with my friends... 😅It was quite hair raising... I remember crewing for a friend with a twin hulled Catamaran, I had to get harnessed into a trapeze and I was only about 11 or 12 years old...and were out in the deep water and unfortunately we capsized and it put me off going out again...
Dear dad we had great holidays every Christmas at Balnarring Beach Vic I reckon if you were to visit that yacht club, you would see trophy boards engraved with his name... 🤔⛵😔
RIP my dear dad
❤️Brian Hatley-Smith
you should start sailing dinghies
Sweet🥰
This video prompted my first youtube post, after 10+ years of watching. It's been even longer since I sailed a 420/470 in that kind of breeze, but I gotta say, Bravo! That is _right_ on the hairy edge, in that boat, in that air, flying a kite.... I don't know if those guys felt fear, but I know I would've been close.
This brought back so many great memories. Thank you, sailors, and camera person, and all others, for sharing!
very nice music. so peaceful
Eole is a musician too.
I think the main is depowering because the boat moves faster than the wind while landing down from the wave. This is typical during downwind sailing in the high seas. Anyhow, a great video...
It is impossible for a 420 to go 35 kts hahaha
@@cheezin2610 yeah irk. The main is depowering cause the skipper dumps it so he doesnt send the boat straight underwater.
Huge balls! Very good, keep it up! As someone that's sailed as a helmsman in 420 from 2004-2010 I'd say you guys need some more experience in maintaining control of the boat in those kind of conditions, especially the helmsman, who needs to work a lil more with the mainsail and rudder.
you sailed 420 for 6 years???!!! were u high on lsd at that time?
AHAHAHAHA most likely
35+ knots? that's amazing. most extreme i've done on 420's was 2 meter waves and 15 knots of wind gusting to 20 knots
Pretty decent sailing however, keep the spinnaker powered up it will make it Easier don't be afraid to push the boat.
that's easy to say if youre over 10 stone!
Best thing about the 420 is sailing in inappropriate winds.
Luved that video.
Bet you had fun.
Thx
Great video XD
Sailed with my partner in 25 knots in the sea(salt water) and another time in about 30-34 knots in a lake haha...but we only weight 105 kilograms..
after all we couldn't raise the spinnaker since we barely managed without it :-)
good job guys
Looks like fun. Scary but fun.
Gotta love 420s for their abaility in crazy winds.
Top stuff.
barely sailing - just surviving in the most awkward state
agreed
Nah, that’s proper sailing
Look at those waves mate!
You do realise that professional 420 and 470 regattas will give you 3 races on this wind with these waves without hesitation.
I sail these myself and I've won regattas in these conditions, it's not "barely surviving" if you know how to work the boat.
“Barely sailing” cunt this is real sailing, and if your boat is rigged properly and your experienced enough this isn’t “surviving” it’s thriving
@pegasus619Q "Reaching" is a larger range - it's whenever a boat is not sailing directly downwind (running) and not as close to the wind as possible (close hauled). When the wind is 90 degrees to the side, it's called a beam reach. The other reaches are "close" (slightly toward the wind) and "broad" (mostly away from the wind).
This rather heavy duty material and human testing that classic 420 sailing 😅 very nice, tough guys 👍
nice. The crew stays in the water more than in the boat. :D
It's a chaotic, crazy ride. They don't seem to be in control at any point here - or if they are, it's just for a few moments and then they are back struggling to control anything. perhaps if they had pointed up slightly higher into wind. A lot of the time their spinnaker is flapping around with no control.
I have sailed a dinghy in these conditions myself (a Hornet) but we had control. But then, we weren't attempting to use the spinnaker. In our case, it was gusting up to Force 8, and out of a fleet of 20 boats, only 3 of us made it to the finish line. We were the only boat to have avoided a capsize - but we didn't attempt to jibe at any point. Whereas we didn't even attempt to hoist the spinny, all the other boats kept putting up their kites, only to be blown over shortly afterwards.
I disagree on the turning higher up, that would just put power into the mainsail and make them loose more control. To de power the boat (at least for a 420 anyway) I find it best to head down to create more stability
Good effort lads. Crank in some main and keep the kite powered up, it will help you. Don't be afraid to push the boat; its what it was designed for! :D
If the boats up and tracking, the apparent wind is less so loads are reduced, flow around the sails is steady and controllable, and you can cut down the big rudder movements as everything is in balance. Good luck and happy sailing!
Sick reach, skipper's gotta hike more and sheet in, bear off a touch and ease the vang. Speaking from experience. Jealous of the wind though, that's a nice day on Lake Ontario
hawl that main! ;)
Holy shit that is my worst fear as a 420 sailor with those waves
Nice ride! Well, little out of control at some point, but that's my favorite sailing!
That spin rlly took a beating!
very brave chaps !!!
0:38 is like the story of my life...
@Theef3kw I have sailed both and my opinion is that 29ers are much easier to capsize. yes it is harder to contol a symetric than an asemetric, but on a whole i think 29ers are harder.
You wouldn't be heeling to windward if you got the main in, look at the top of the sail.
Move the weight back the skipper should be hiking as far back as possible. And the crew should be pretty much strattling the skippers back.
Ive done 29er racing in 30 gusting 40, the faster you go the more stable you will be.
Props for sailing in those conditions.
@mayersmusic when you put the jib down, where would you put the jib ? and it takes to long to put it down
Greeeaat! Probably like 18kt sustained puffs to 30+ Still nothing to shake a stick at though...
lol i love how all of the people on here who have no experience taking footage of sailing keep trying to shoot this video down and say that it is no where near 35 knots. I have sailed in 35 + knots many times before and have experience taking footage. Without the noise of the wind, it is hard to tell actually how hard its blowing. This video is clearly 35 knots and if you think its not get out of your chair and sail
EDIT: the reason they aren't pulling the main in all the way is because they will flip
and the reason the crew isn't flatwireing is because of the waves
I thought "35 knots" referred to the boat speed
Awesome! but why bother with the spinaker when the main is mostly flogging? still awesome.
Nothing wrong with the helmsman. You've got to move like that the surf the waves.
Spinnaker and jib trimming could be better, but could I do that in 35 knots? I don't think so!
on music videos, lil wayne gets dissed.
on sailing videos, the skipper gets ATTACKED lol
looks like an awesome place to sail where is it filmed at?
forget the sailing, i was just headbanging the whole time
Looks like good fun. If you man up and pull the kite in, the boat will go faster, be more easy to control and you won't Teabag so often. Whats the worst that could happen? ..You might get wet.
@djinphinity100 ccol segelst du auch 420ger ???
oder was segelst du ???
C'mon guys, give these fellow sailors a break -- skill on the tiller becomes a graceful art while sailing downwind in waves. As for "35+", it might have been gusting to 35, but I agree, it's not consistently 35.
I'd say a little vang would clean that main up and stop the oscilating
Yes, after racing in too much wind a couple of Sundays in a row I have to agree. After a couple of capsizes in a usually slow old boat, leave the board down and all the vang you can pull was good advice that made it much more stable. Though my sailing looked just as untidy! I too would not have been so brave if the rescue boat had not been keeping a close watch.
Pretty awesome!
was that 420 making those wakes?
Spinnaker in this level of wind is redundant -- did this in a 12' Echo with main and jib and had a blast...
@13lackhole yes, but you can use a gennaker or a 470's one
what winddirection is this ?
Looks fun - big waves and sunshine - but no way 35 knots. More like 23 - 25
@Claasinator001 ein bissien hast du den haupt segel gesehen der am ENDE der häte zerreisen könen
That is something like a 20 knot wind (5 Bft), not a 35 knot boat speed. And even that wind speed is optimistic, for there is hardly any foam on the waves.
420s are not terribly fast boats, either. same handicap as a Wayfarer
@tiv2fan umm no its a 420, hence the stubby bow, shorter mast, an 420 written on the top of the sail.....these dudes blow at sailing too, i used to race for a while on the east coast, i could have been rockin that shit
@pegasus619Q its the point of sail where the wind hits your boat at a 90 degree angle
that's not 35+ for sure. Waves and foam are for 20-25 knots
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Thanks for posting. Nice video
Windy? Yes. 35+? No.
You have to deal with some leeward heel in these conditions, or else everytime a wave hits from the side the crew will get knocked into the water. You just needed a little bit more mainsheet trim.
Is skipper a beginner?
@Parkdaleperrys I would too! with those weaves!
@bomberchicken ye you can if you have enough windward heel on the boat...i know from experiance...its knowhere near as fast as 420 on a run though
Give 'em credit for not being shells on the beach, BUT, I'd need to see a wind indicator's reading..., I've been out on my Supercat 19 with gusts to 30, the swells were 8-10, couldn't tell ya' our speed, too much happening to care.
@Armyairborn1234 yea i know, i sail both types of boats, but 50-60 knots is a LOT more wind..
Why are you trapping so far forward?
35+ knots windspeed not boatspeed which some people seem to think. Americas cup AC72 foilers typically do 30 knots, theres no way a 50 year old heavy dinghy designed as a trainer for 470's can do that!
UA-cam Nokia "18 ft Skiff in heavy wind". That's real sailing. This is a kiddie boat.
That Was Hectic!
more a run than a reach, and more like 25+ knots. I would head up a tad for a (slightly) more stable ride and sheet that main. They must be Laser sailors - we always go when our brain says - maybe no. They were probably laughing like maniacs!
is the skipper even wearing a lifejacket?
fyi its an I420 because of the circular splashguard and national insignia, and its windier than it looks, ive noticed that that cameras remove 10 knots always haha
do you know the land?
Je suis un Algérien qui maitrise très bien le 470 malheureusement cette série olympiques on n'a pas des moyens ce qui veut investir dans le domaine soyez les bienvenus
Thats my point doggy. Would you try that, or do you have more respect for the boat and spinnaker than they do???
Some people are sailors, and some are just crazy...
Gusty as shit dude but u have to love the 420's ability for the size of it
@djinphinity100 ??? kommst du aus Deutschland??? .
ja du hast recht
@djinphinity100 achso coool
segelst du auch In Verein ???
this boys have 14 and 15 years, they are very nice!!!!
whats reaching mean?
be happy you came home in one piece
great way to ruin you sails very fast :) hahahah
Hmmm that's a terribly trimmed main sail, flapping on the downwind? They would be going much faster if helm pulled in the main sail and crew toggled down on the wire... He's practically standing up on the gunnels!
a few things to say
1 sick video and everthing.
2 yoours sails were luffing for like 90% of the video
3 props to the crew for doing trap and spin perty hard shit
4 skip should try to control the boats beter suprised the crew dident do a forstay walk.
that is all lol
make sure you incorporate all the great feedback from arm-chair skippers. also, people who call you out about tournaments like it's a kumate - be intimidated.
Contronl technology is very good !
YOU. ARE. INSANE.
You guys need more practice. You have to feel the wind and the waves, and be very quick on your legs and abs.
i don't think they would be out in 35knts of wind if they didn't already do this.
30 knots and the committee doesn't send any boats onto the water. this is 35knts.
the rest of the fleet are probably sipping soda in the harbour.
@Claasinator001 einfach geil
Why would you use a spinnaker on a 420 with the jib still up? The jib is stealing most of the spinnakers wind anyway.
@kjelsvik I got 8 and gusts to 9 beaufort on the nord sea once, the (I don't know the term in english cuz I'm dutch) iron thread at starboard snapped and the mast bended, luckely the boat was not mine but from a sports organization :D It was fun though, I went over board 6 times in 3 houres
Is it me or they're having spinnaker problems the whole time?
ive sailed a cadet in forty knots with a spinnaker without capsizing
@kylecuthbertson we arent talkinabout a schooner....big difference bro.
ive sailed in 50 gusting 60 in an old wooden scout cutter.... we managed to stay up for like 5 minutes! didnt end well tho..
UA-cam: Nokia 18 ft Skiff in heavy wind
hang on lower in the trapeze,
where is that?
thats just insane
as my coach always tells me... you break... you swim.
where you at hull speed
he could have made the trapeze longer so he gets a better angle and so sustain stronger wind
420 is awesome
@29ersailor121 i think 29ers are easier to sail than thes :P the symetric is a lot harder
I think my 420's mast would have snapped. I wouldn't have been out in that without a safety boat
that is sick
Give me a hobie 16 in the same conditions anytime.
Barry G
that, sir, must be a jioke
The Helm is very slow. Mainsail.... ÁÁÁÁ The boat is unstable. More vang and use the mainsheet yeah!
Look at the mountains not much fetch i was out in a blow of 20 gust 25 and not 100 yards off shore and it was similar luck to have 5 mile fetch here water is a BAD indicator of wind