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I like the idea of cutting the cross member. Save some cash like that. I’m wanting to go from the 4l60e, which I’ve broke twice behind my 6.0 swap, to the 4l80e and was wondering which route I wanted to go with the cross member. I believe I’ll borrow your idea! Anybody have experience with a built 6l80 in a 06 silverado?
I inhaled and about choked myself. These shows have something against radiators and camshafts. They unbolt the radiator and just rip them out, then replace it with an $800 one and bang it off everything in the engine compartment. The cams they try to bang them as many times as they can on the way in it seems like. Like sayin this thing only has to last 18 more minutes and we really don't care at all
I build transmissions and I can tell you first hand Monster is the laughing stock of the trans industry. I see it all the time, people teardown a Monster trans and its the most hacked up, stock, non-updated POS ever.
I rebuild 4l80e professionally. I've been in 17 Monster Transmissions. They are junk. Please don't make the purchase of a Monster Transmission without calling the BBB and hear there customer reviews.
I build em for fun just for me, and I agree. But in this case I'd just keep the 6l80. A proper rebuild, good tune, and you're sitting pretty. It's a daily, keep those 6 gears.
I was actually looking for an opposite swap video when I found this one. I recently dropped an L96 6.0Lin my 08 Silverado 1500. It’s on it’s way to becoming a heavy half or full 3/4 ton. I have the low mileage donor 2500HD with the 6l80/90e (not sure yet, lol) that was behind the 6.0. Was thinking about swapping for the heavy 6 speed. I’m building my truck to pull my 30’ fifth wheel and my 20’ boat at the same time. Lol
Monster transmission is shit! since ive been a trans builder for 40 years, i think i would know. also not so sure why youre going with a 4speed, rather than, building the six speed? the 6 speed keeps your ratios closer. keeping you in your power band. dont let fear rule your build.
Good quote, don’t let fear rule your build. I have a bone stock 4L60 with 250’000km on it behind my 500 hp ‘01 1500 6.0. It shifts fine i just dont hammer on it till im moving in 2nd
Mike Baker totally agree here. Going from a 6L80 to a 4L80 is downgrade that requires a lot of work. If my 2005 Silverado could run the 6L80, I wouldn’t even consider a 4L80. Plus I am under the impression that the 6L80 is as strong or stronger than the 4L80.
I’d try to keep the 6 if possible, but he did mention why they tossed the 6 at 1:00. Some put good power through them with no issues, but some fail with stock power. Unless I could find upgraded planetary gear sets for them, I’d be leery of putting decent power through it.
Everyone does that. One guy said he recorded the pinion depth but lost the video. It took me just as you said the whole fckin day. That's the hardest thing I've ever done was the rear end gears.
So glad I didn't send mine to them..my 60e is with Chuck up at Finish Line Transmissions and cannot wait to get it back. Super nice guy to deal with and he actually does the builds himself.
You could have put in a built 6L80 for the money, as well. I like the 6-speed for the gearing, especially 1st gear, for off-road. When the 4-speed auto was fairly new it needed time and public R&D, also. You're pushing that segment, I get it. But, the 6-speed offers more performance/economy for the vehicles that have its computer. And a direct replacement.
Agreed, I have a 2007 GMC Sierra that just blew it's 2nd 4l60 and didn't even last past 10k. I plan on having a 6l80 swap done for faster acceleration and fuel economy.
I like how they neglect to mention what the cost of these builds comes out to. They spend more money on these builds that the average guy makes in a year.
Highly agree. people like me who dream of doing this type of shit, but it's extremely expensive and you probably have to make 150k a year to afford it all this.
I am impressed with the technology available to you guys... Exhaust proof hose to protect your tranny lines? AWESOME. In the 1980s, we never dreamed of that kinda stuff.
TRUCK OCD ... Had a Cammed 6.0 in my 16 2500HD (FBO). Trans (6L90E) held up beautifully. Truck was a beast, Launch @3k rpm in 4Hi was insane (especially with the 410 gearing), it had a 0-60 faster than my stock ecoboost. It just wasn’t good for a family of five.
what a waste of time this "swap" is. its like putting a carburetor on an ls motor. and that cross member he hacked up is the biggest butcher job ive seen on a show.
GM has made their driveline components survive by using massive amounts of torque management, making driveability shitty, and reliability with any power adders impossible.
@@bigman55434 Yup. I tune em for fun. It's nuts. My 4l80 swapped Yukon was easy. Remove all tq mgmt and have fun. My current 6l80 is nice, but a bitch in comparison to tune
@@bigman55434 their 4l80Es are unbreakable, and able to handle 700hp/tq from the factory. Their lighter duty stuff like the 4l60e, 4l65e, and any of the light duty tran's were made of glass, designed to be in daily drivers with low torque and smooth power curves. The 4l60e will blow out the 1/2 sun shell with just 500hp, and will strip the 3/4 clutch packs on its own with their 350hp 6.2l.
@@chubbysumo2230 It's torque that kills a transmission, not horsepower. All transmissions are rated for a certain torque input. Never will you find a trans rated for a HP input. Anyway, my point is that GM in their infinite cost cutting wisdom, introduced the fly by wire throttle and torque management so they could make lesser grade components live through the warranty period of the vehicles. Until the last few years, the powertrain warranty was 5 years 100k miles. Now its only 60k miles. More cost cutting. The torque management has made the gas engine HD trucks all but undriveable in the city. My 2008 was a roach. I traded that POS in after only 15k on the odometer. My 2007 wasn't much better, nor was the 2011 that followed. I gave up on GM after my 2013. The idiots that assembled it left out the inner front axle bearing, grinding the axle shaft and tube to bits the first time I went into 4wd.
@@markiwi956 I am not a GM guy but I believe the 6l80E is a derivative of a German ZF transmission (which I have no idea what ZF stands for)... if that is the case that transmission is used behind pretty much every V8 in the modern world from the Hyundai Genesis to BMW 7 Series to Dodges and Chryslers I think even the hellcat uses it to Ford work trucks, there is a ton of aftermarket support for the ZF... Just a pricey trans to do stuff to but fuel mileage increases are pretty big (look at a 04 navigator to a 06 for a great example for an increase)
@@AtomicReverend ...no. the 6l is junk. You are thinking of ford 6r series. 60, 80 and 100. It is bulletproof. 6r80 1000 hp stock is not a problem. It has the gear train licensed from zf. Like the 6hp26. Lot of gm vehicles getting swapped to the ford 6r80. 6l80 is related to the zf but just not as good.
I've built and modded 4l80s in things like my previous gmt800 5.3 Yukon. My current 6.2 6l80 is just fine. A good rebuild and tune and a 6l80 can hold plenty. Perhaps not as much as the 4l80, but I like the extra gears.
6L80 to 4L80 for me is going to back, i bulid street cars around 800 to 1000 hp with the 6L80 and all is work fine, but the tune its something very important
I got a 2012 Chevy Silverado UT with a V6 and 4 speed transmission and I use it to tow farm equipment home from auctions. Works fine but I should probably put in air suspension.
Forgot to show the trans controller install and integration into the factory computer system. Plus, the contact pattern on the ring gear was not centered....Flat rate tech mentality and just send it.
Love my 6L80, if I were to build a 500+ HP motor, I would go 6L90 and not a 4-speed. While the 4L80 is more durable, the gearing cannot compete. LTs math was a little off too, the 6L80 with 3.42s is a 13.77:1 1st gear ratio. 1st in a 6L80 is 4.03 or 4.027. Still enjoy the show and watching those youngsters do the work I did when I was there age!
For the cost and hassle of re-gearing, going from a 3.43 to a 3.73 isn't a big jump. And the G80s have a bad rep, but only the ones on the smaller axles have the issue with breaking. The 3/4 ton and up axles are pretty stout.
😁 I work at a transmission shop I have pulled so many 60s and 80s smh I just pulled one yesterday I've done so many of them I actually timed myself, 40 minutes to get a 4L80 out 👏 for me lol but my boss don't get that kind of speed everyday so its about an hour in a half pull. Don't get me wrong I like GM I'm a GM guy I'm a psycho working on them, I hate electrical problems... but we work on anything and everything me and the guy I work with we both Hammer jobs out the door!! Awesome conversion kit keep up with the vids👍👍
The 6l80eis a better transmission for cruising or fuel mileage. The downside is that it cant take excessive power to it like the 4l80e nor can it stand up to the abuse of pulling or hauling. So it would depend on the overall use of the truck.
The 4L80E is better than the 6L80E in regards to how much power it's capable of holding and the abuse it can take. Obviously you do lose 2 gears but for something that makes gobs of power the 4L80E is proven.
Missed opportunity to do a 6l80 rebuild upgrade with sonnax parts etc. Now you have a trzns that spins the complete rotating assembly faster than engine rpm in 4th, yeesh what an upgrade ?
You need to post the link to the swap harness in your video description. If you have a 2009-2012 Silverado 4L60E it will not have an external PNP switch and will require you to not only buy the switch for a 4L60E, but also the dedicated harness which will run you around $350. Would have been great to have known this ahead of time. I could backhand a few people right about now. 😡
Sure complicated that crossmember fix. Could have welded a perch to the rear of that crossmember a lot easier and it would have looked a lot better. Bring back Stacy as the new guys are not as good.
you dont need to drain it i just did one yesterday didnt spill a drop its a sealed trans just a plug in each cooler line hole and one in the dipstick hole the output doesnt leak at least on the 4wd
Hi guys I was thinking of doing this to my 2003 Yukon xl SLT 5.3l 2wd but I'd like to know how much would a set up like the one you installed coast me? everything you did from transmission to differential.
I’d consider this a downgrade. In a pickup truck you gotta make some huge power for a 4 speed to make more sense than a 6 speed. Some really strong 6L80s on the road these days. 4L80 isn’t too special either until it’s built.
I think you missed most of the video because they spoke about everything you did and more. Watch the video again, you'll definatly learn something if you pay close attention.
This was a major down grade I'd take a 6l80e 6spd over the old out dated old technology 4l80e 4spd. If they were selling it and I was in the market for this truck and say I went and looked at it and seen they did this swap I'd tell the guy congratulations your a idiot and I'd walk away. This is a major down grade and it will hurt the resale value!!! I now consider this truck to be a hack job pile of shit!
It's true, a 6 speed to a 4 will lead to so much taller gearing, even with a low rear end. Stupid... 4L80 is a POS too... Blew up on my 3/4 ton Suburban w 105k and synthetic in all holes changed every 30k tops. Very little towing.
@@smokesgtp That's right these 6l80e 6spd are way better Ive had over 13 000lbs of trailer on with them and no issues I've own many and I liked them very stout if they were so bad then why does gm out the 420+ hp 6.2 infront of it. There's no way this little pos white Silverado's whimpy 5.3 is putting out that power. Major down grade what next ls 5.3 to a shity carbed small block like really this swap really pieces me off
@@deankay4434 ya but now they just made themselves look like idiots by doing suck a stupid swap. They should of done a 4l80e to 6l80e 6spd swap they would if gotten way more views way let hate over it if any at all. The 6l80e 6spd is a way better trans then even over a mildly built 4l80e the 6l80e is a very superior transmission.
@@bmstylee I like lowered trucks if they're done right. The way that Silverado was lowered was done right without sacrificing comfort and daily-drivability.
Someone please help me out correct me if I'm wrong but is that a crack in the housing of the rear @ 14:27 the crack is going from the pinion gear housing to where the rear end housing molds in I do believe it a little crack but if you look for it you'll see it right after he knocks the pinion gear out
Did y'all have to adjust the linkage at all or change any brackets out for the linkage? When I did my 4L60E to 4L80E swap I have every gear except first and it almost feels like it'll go into 1st so I'm guessing there should be enough adjustment in the cable for it to work.
Man I love that these episodes are posting now! This particular one hurts:/ 6L90 would’ve been my upgrade choice. The 4 speeds are just awful to daily around. Slow slushy unresponsive. The 6 speeds are too but they’re a little better for whatever reason.
That’s a lot of pretty pennies going into that truck but I’m interested , I’m currently building nnbs single 4.8l for boost I doubt I’ll need all that but , it is reliable
10:20 sorry what planet am I living on where would the liquid go?! How is the sleeve going on the INSIDE of the AN line hahahha!!!! You meant outside? Too funny!
Reviews I've seen from other places on the interwebs have not been very favorable for Monster Transmissions. I personally have no experience with monster. What's the popular consensus on this brand of transmission?
I guess someday you guys will be pulling out a newer 8 or 10 speed to install a powerglide. Pull off the direct injection and install a carb. Cant say that the ideas on this show were ever very bright.
LOL it does seem they went backwards on this. 6L80s are stout. You'd be better off putting some money into that-or going with a 6L90-rather than losing the performance advantage of two extra gears and having to navigate the computer control issues. And then they went from a 1 piece to 2 piece driveshaft-for a performance truck that's going to limit your top speed.
Are y’all serious? Downgrading from a 6L80 to a 4L ? Thanks for letting me know this is the wrong channel for information. And a Monster Trans? What a joke y’all are.
Hey at least there is a show about cars, trucks, and engines! Beside gas monkey and crap. Instead of some garbage ass shit like, 20 kids and counting or dance mom's or some shit! All info may not be good but some of it is. Also, Pat knows his engine shit, Guarantee that! People act like they know everything in the comment section. It's comical lol
i like to see them do a 8 speed and why would u just get a 14 bolt rearend all that work and no twins and tuning can be done easy with hp tuners i got over 210k on my tahoe with my 6l80e i got 2500 stall and comp cam 54-602-11 with no problems at all
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1:30 if you had chance the transmission filter. The rear planet would have gotten adequate lubrication. You made the truck slower with the 4L80. 4:30 it doesn’t take a very long time for the pump to fill the torque converter with fluid. Where do actors get this bs from? 12:00 Installing 3.73 gears will not make up for the tall 2.48 first gear and it hurts mpg even more because the 4L80 .75 overdrive.
I'm still not sure why they only went to a 3.73. It's not a big upgrade over the stock gears. They spent a lot of time and money to correct for the deficiencies of a 4 speed when they could have just sunk the money in building and tuning the 6 speed.
How do I get a better transmission I have a 4l60e.its gone out on me once n i feel like I burnt out 3-4 it sat for awhile 6-7 months so could it just not have kept the fluid in it.. should I change out the transmission filter n do a flush. I want to upgrade the servo band n all the other weak points so should I just do that
That's a monster paperweight right there lol I ordered a monster, then had pump issues. Tore it down to replace it... it was an ebay pump. Only reason I know is because it had the same Chinese symbol logo that came on an ebay pump I bought for a 4l60 before. That Trans was already bad and in my junk pile so I confirmed to make sure... yep ebay parts on a high dollar trans.. monster is junk
Hmmmm. Going to an older platform because it works. 4x4s using powerglides, detecting a theme here. auto engineers listen. Make a platform that works, will hold up, end user serviceable, and can welcome aftermarket support you will have a loyal following and sales will be great. Focus on this instead of a sensor letting me know how far my beverage is seated in the cup holder.
Keep in mind 4L80 was never a half ton transmission. So this isn’t a return to the past in that sense. 6L80/6L90 is a better trans for a pickup truck IMO. Now days there are plenty of build up options for them. I am also pretty sure the early 6L80 was the weaker one. They’ve been known to be quite strong in later years. 6L90 is technically the successor to the 4L80/85 as both were for HD applications.
You want all that in a modern car? Buy a premium car then, not a Chevy. Take an Audi, Lexus or Mercedes SUV apart after only 150k miles, and you won't see the gears stripped off. In fact, you won't see that after 500k. Getting a modern SUV or truck with a big engine and lots of power for a TINY amount of money is bound to get you some mechanical issues, because nothing on that vehicle is over-engineered, it's all "that will do" to keep the costs down.
@@derbigpr500 Really, a Toyota, VW, or a Benz? Mercedes have not been overbuilt since the 126 body, everything after that is disposable. Toyota's and VW's have always been junk!
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I like the idea of cutting the cross member. Save some cash like that. I’m wanting to go from the 4l60e, which I’ve broke twice behind my 6.0 swap, to the 4l80e and was wondering which route I wanted to go with the cross member. I believe I’ll borrow your idea! Anybody have experience with a built 6l80 in a 06 silverado?
@@bowtiebuilding you can weld a extension on the back a lot easier and it would look cleaner.
PowerNation why replace the 6L80 with a 4L80. Makes no sense at all and Monster Trans not all that great as well.
I work on transit buses. one of our guys blasted through a radiator drilling .
@@bfmikee the 6L80E is not as good of a transmission as a 4L80E and besides, the truck in this video came with a 4L60E, not a 6L80E transmission.
Did anyone else almost have a heart attack when that drill bit went flying through towards the condenser*?
I was sure he nailed it, that was too close for me
Just saw that and was coming to comment on it too. Yikes!
I inhaled and about choked myself. These shows have something against radiators and camshafts. They unbolt the radiator and just rip them out, then replace it with an $800 one and bang it off everything in the engine compartment. The cams they try to bang them as many times as they can on the way in it seems like. Like sayin this thing only has to last 18 more minutes and we really don't care at all
Hahahaha I was thinking the same thing !!!
I definitely thought the drill was gonna go through the radiator
Love that 90's "Saturday morning excited" narrator voice.
That announcer guy was way too angry pumped up sounding almost as if it were a joke
LOL at Reliable “Monster Transmission”.
Ken Block is pretty happy with their products tho.
I build transmissions and I can tell you first hand Monster is the laughing stock of the trans industry. I see it all the time, people teardown a Monster trans and its the most hacked up, stock, non-updated POS ever.
@@MojoWitwicky what do you think of Certified Transmission's road ripper stuff? I have a friend that runs one of those in his cummins and he loves it!
@@seandeterman2499 Certified is good. They've been around for a long time and have a really good reputation
@@seandeterman2499 I know its late but also Jake's transmission is the one of the most regarded 4l80s in every ls forum im on
I rebuild 4l80e professionally. I've been in 17 Monster Transmissions. They are junk. Please don't make the purchase of a Monster Transmission without calling the BBB and hear there customer reviews.
I build em for fun just for me, and I agree. But in this case I'd just keep the 6l80. A proper rebuild, good tune, and you're sitting pretty. It's a daily, keep those 6 gears.
In your experience, what do you think of Certified Transmission's road ripper stuff?
Right! I would have modified the 6 speed!
I've got 108,000 miles on mine so far. Lot's of off roading and no issues..
Good honest feedback, thank you!
I was actually looking for an opposite swap video when I found this one. I recently dropped an L96 6.0Lin my 08 Silverado 1500. It’s on it’s way to becoming a heavy half or full 3/4 ton. I have the low mileage donor 2500HD with the 6l80/90e (not sure yet, lol) that was behind the 6.0. Was thinking about swapping for the heavy 6 speed. I’m building my truck to pull my 30’ fifth wheel and my 20’ boat at the same time. Lol
Monster transmission is shit! since ive been a trans builder for 40 years, i think i would know. also not so sure why youre going with a 4speed, rather than, building the six speed? the 6 speed keeps your ratios closer. keeping you in your power band. dont let fear rule your build.
Good quote, don’t let fear rule your build. I have a bone stock 4L60 with 250’000km on it behind my 500 hp ‘01 1500 6.0. It shifts fine i just dont hammer on it till im moving in 2nd
Mike Baker totally agree here. Going from a 6L80 to a 4L80 is downgrade that requires a lot of work. If my 2005 Silverado could run the 6L80, I wouldn’t even consider a 4L80.
Plus I am under the impression that the 6L80 is as strong or stronger than the 4L80.
The 4l80 is stronger than the 6l80 that's why.
I’d try to keep the 6 if possible, but he did mention why they tossed the 6 at 1:00. Some put good power through them with no issues, but some fail with stock power. Unless I could find upgraded planetary gear sets for them, I’d be leery of putting decent power through it.
You are so right, monster is truly junk
Love how they skimmed over setting the pinion depth. This process can take all day to get it right even if you have the proper measurement tools.
Like how they skipped removing torque converter bolts...
@@jackk8422 3:48
Everyone does that. One guy said he recorded the pinion depth but lost the video. It took me just as you said the whole fckin day. That's the hardest thing I've ever done was the rear end gears.
Monster trans: all marketing and paint. Call them 5 times it's a sketch show. Price will be wildly different each time. Just doing rattlecan rebuilds.
So glad I didn't send mine to them..my 60e is with Chuck up at Finish Line Transmissions and cannot wait to get it back. Super nice guy to deal with and he actually does the builds himself.
I'm needing a good 4l60e rebuild. Have only heard awful things about monster transmission and lots of big shows use them
@@jacobking4106 you can spend money on quality components or on marketing.
@@jacobking4106 they make it look nice and good for the show but when people actually get it it's horrible
You could have put in a built 6L80 for the money, as well. I like the 6-speed for the gearing, especially 1st gear, for off-road. When the 4-speed auto was fairly new it needed time and public R&D, also. You're pushing that segment, I get it. But, the 6-speed offers more performance/economy for the vehicles that have its computer. And a direct replacement.
Agreed, I have a 2007 GMC Sierra that just blew it's 2nd 4l60 and didn't even last past 10k. I plan on having a 6l80 swap done for faster acceleration and fuel economy.
>Monster Transmission
forty keks
I guess they've never heard of a 6l90. Lol not only that, I have 2 friends with C6s making 900rwhp on a stock 6l80. All in the tuning
Also about weight. And a C6 weights a lot less than this truck
9:46 and now for an upgraded condenser...
Jus missed the radiator lol
@@Fony_turgeson and that can of wd40 with the grinder
Ya, and not even "take two"
Oops.
I like how they neglect to mention what the cost of these builds comes out to. They spend more money on these builds that the average guy makes in a year.
Highly agree. people like me who dream of doing this type of shit, but it's extremely expensive and you probably have to make 150k a year to afford it all this.
@@lt.schlechtnacht9414do a UA-cam channel about your builds 💰
This is everything backwards from what you what to do.
I am impressed with the technology available to you guys... Exhaust proof hose to protect your tranny lines? AWESOME.
In the 1980s, we never dreamed of that kinda stuff.
5:50 should of replaced the rear main seal since everything was out a good practice anytime u install or remove the transmisoon especially if it stock
6l80e is good with proper tuning. people have issues cause they disable tq management and don't tune it right
Why not build the 6l80 or put a 6l90 out of a 2500 gas truck? I mean 4 speeds where cool back in the 90s lol. It hurts my head you guys did this.
TRUCK OCD ... Had a Cammed 6.0 in my 16 2500HD (FBO). Trans (6L90E) held up beautifully. Truck was a beast, Launch @3k rpm in 4Hi was insane (especially with the 410 gearing), it had a 0-60 faster than my stock ecoboost. It just wasn’t good for a family of five.
what a waste of time this "swap" is. its like putting a carburetor on an ls motor. and that cross member he hacked up is the biggest butcher job ive seen on a show.
I agree with everything that you said, but the crossmember hack job. That will deff do the job.
"We are going to address some Chevy weakpoints, so we decided to replace the transmission, driveshaft, and rear end!"
LOL!
GM has made their driveline components survive by using massive amounts of torque management, making driveability shitty, and reliability with any power adders impossible.
Jb40 Now Yeah, sounds like a dodge more than a Chevy
@@bigman55434 Yup. I tune em for fun. It's nuts. My 4l80 swapped Yukon was easy. Remove all tq mgmt and have fun. My current 6l80 is nice, but a bitch in comparison to tune
@@bigman55434 their 4l80Es are unbreakable, and able to handle 700hp/tq from the factory. Their lighter duty stuff like the 4l60e, 4l65e, and any of the light duty tran's were made of glass, designed to be in daily drivers with low torque and smooth power curves. The 4l60e will blow out the 1/2 sun shell with just 500hp, and will strip the 3/4 clutch packs on its own with their 350hp 6.2l.
@@chubbysumo2230 It's torque that kills a transmission, not horsepower. All transmissions are rated for a certain torque input. Never will you find a trans rated for a HP input. Anyway, my point is that GM in their infinite cost cutting wisdom, introduced the fly by wire throttle and torque management so they could make lesser grade components live through the warranty period of the vehicles. Until the last few years, the powertrain warranty was 5 years 100k miles. Now its only 60k miles. More cost cutting. The torque management has made the gas engine HD trucks all but undriveable in the city. My 2008 was a roach. I traded that POS in after only 15k on the odometer. My 2007 wasn't much better, nor was the 2011 that followed. I gave up on GM after my 2013. The idiots that assembled it left out the inner front axle bearing, grinding the axle shaft and tube to bits the first time I went into 4wd.
Also draining the transmission fluid makes it lighter to move around
Buddy in the black shirt didn’t blink once
He's a robot
My built 6l90 is good for 1500 horse power. With a FTI converter. The key is engine and trans tune must work together
15:18 - Diff housing is cracked tho..
You know it’s 2019 right? Many 1000+ whp 6l80’s running and not breaking. The 4L is old news.
what upgrades can be done to a 6l80?
@@markiwi956 I am not a GM guy but I believe the 6l80E is a derivative of a German ZF transmission (which I have no idea what ZF stands for)... if that is the case that transmission is used behind pretty much every V8 in the modern world from the Hyundai Genesis to BMW 7 Series to Dodges and Chryslers I think even the hellcat uses it to Ford work trucks, there is a ton of aftermarket support for the ZF... Just a pricey trans to do stuff to but fuel mileage increases are pretty big (look at a 04 navigator to a 06 for a great example for an increase)
@@AtomicReverend ...no. the 6l is junk. You are thinking of ford 6r series. 60, 80 and 100. It is bulletproof. 6r80 1000 hp stock is not a problem. It has the gear train licensed from zf. Like the 6hp26. Lot of gm vehicles getting swapped to the ford 6r80. 6l80 is related to the zf but just not as good.
I've built and modded 4l80s in things like my previous gmt800 5.3 Yukon. My current 6.2 6l80 is just fine. A good rebuild and tune and a 6l80 can hold plenty. Perhaps not as much as the 4l80, but I like the extra gears.
6L80 to 4L80 for me is going to back, i bulid street cars around 800 to 1000 hp with the 6L80 and all is work fine, but the tune its something very important
I do like the 60L..they use the gear shaft with a 1:5 ratio which puts perfect pressure on the gear locks. The 2:5 bell bearings do a great job too
SCORE!!! just what I needed to watch!
I thought the newer units were stronger
@@bilbobaggins4710 The 6l80 is comparable to the 4l60, the 6l90 would be the 6 speed equivalent to the 4l80.
This guy is script reading, his eyes won't blink....
...duh
I got a 2012 Chevy Silverado UT with a V6 and 4 speed transmission and I use it to tow farm equipment home from auctions. Works fine but I should probably put in air suspension.
Isn't this like really old? I swear I remember seeing this before and laughing when they went with Monster transmission
Probably. And these days people have figured out how to build and tune 6l80/6l90s for big power.
9.48 almost drilled into that radiator
I cringed when I saw the bit break through
Monster transmissions are garbage . Look them up . Look how many bb bureau complaints they have .
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Jason C. Look at bb bureau
Forgot to show the trans controller install and integration into the factory computer system.
Plus, the contact pattern on the ring gear was not centered....Flat rate tech mentality and just send it.
Love my 6L80, if I were to build a 500+ HP motor, I would go 6L90 and not a 4-speed. While the 4L80 is more durable, the gearing cannot compete. LTs math was a little off too, the 6L80 with 3.42s is a 13.77:1 1st gear ratio. 1st in a 6L80 is 4.03 or 4.027. Still enjoy the show and watching those youngsters do the work I did when I was there age!
For the cost and hassle of re-gearing, going from a 3.43 to a 3.73 isn't a big jump. And the G80s have a bad rep, but only the ones on the smaller axles have the issue with breaking. The 3/4 ton and up axles are pretty stout.
Take into consideration he said it was a daily go bigger expect 8-10 mpg
I've always had escalades and they are very reliable hold their value and get 300k out of them. THATS WHY THEY ARE HUGE IN THE LIVERY INDUSTRY
😁 I work at a transmission shop I have pulled so many 60s and 80s smh I just pulled one yesterday I've done so many of them I actually timed myself, 40 minutes to get a 4L80 out 👏 for me lol but my boss don't get that kind of speed everyday so its about an hour in a half pull. Don't get me wrong I like GM I'm a GM guy I'm a psycho working on them, I hate electrical problems... but we work on anything and everything me and the guy I work with we both Hammer jobs out the door!! Awesome conversion kit keep up with the vids👍👍
big Jon O'Dell if you were to swap trans into a much older LS powered car which transmission would you pick 6L80 or 4L80 ???
@@tonywalker2334 4l80...I don't want 6 fucking gears. You?
Monster transmission 😂
I’m all for a 80e swap where needed but that 6l80e is a much better trans.
The 6l80eis a better transmission for cruising or fuel mileage. The downside is that it cant take excessive power to it like the 4l80e nor can it stand up to the abuse of pulling or hauling. So it would depend on the overall use of the truck.
Craig Novakowski tf you talking about man
The 4L80E is better than the 6L80E in regards to how much power it's capable of holding and the abuse it can take. Obviously you do lose 2 gears but for something that makes gobs of power the 4L80E is proven.
@@liftedcj7on44s again the transition is about 500-550hp, less go with the 6l80, more 4l80.
Vocal inflection with dead eyes creeps me out.
This is mind blowing channel thanks
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Missed opportunity to do a 6l80 rebuild upgrade with sonnax parts etc. Now you have a trzns that spins the complete rotating assembly faster than engine rpm in 4th, yeesh what an upgrade ?
You need to post the link to the swap harness in your video description. If you have a 2009-2012 Silverado 4L60E it will not have an external PNP switch and will require you to not only buy the switch for a 4L60E, but also the dedicated harness which will run you around $350. Would have been great to have known this ahead of time. I could backhand a few people right about now. 😡
great video powernation,,,,,,, BUT THEN YOU SAID MONSTER TRANS
Man I thought that he was going to drill right through the radiator! Lol
Me too!!!
Condenser
I was taught to ALWAYS use a back-up wrench when working on fittings.
Sure complicated that crossmember fix. Could have welded a perch to the rear of that crossmember a lot easier and it would have looked a lot better.
Bring back Stacy as the new guys are not as good.
Michael Beattie Exactly, I miss the days when Mel and Stacy were the hosts when it was still Trucks!.
True true.
Relying on just it welded together is a very bad idea.
you dont need to drain it i just did one yesterday didnt spill a drop its a sealed trans just a plug in each cooler line hole and one in the dipstick hole the output doesnt leak at least on the 4wd
Got a little close there to that a.c. condenser with that drill bud. Lol
Hi guys I was thinking of doing this to my 2003 Yukon xl SLT 5.3l 2wd but I'd like to know how much would a set up like the one you installed coast me? everything you did from transmission to differential.
GREAT video!!! i'm at 4:20 so what was the driveshaft difference?? also will this work for a 2011 tahoe?
Make sure you hear 3 clunks, SMDH SMDH!, Then it clunks 2 times, LTFOL. Goodness
Does everyone just talk in abbreviations now? Wtf did you just say?
I know, my God. What's going on.
@@Enchanted3DPrints wdym no one does that:)
Why skip through the drive shaft install so quick?
I’d consider this a downgrade. In a pickup truck you gotta make some huge power for a 4 speed to make more sense than a 6 speed. Some really strong 6L80s on the road these days. 4L80 isn’t too special either until it’s built.
I think you missed most of the video because they spoke about everything you did and more. Watch the video again, you'll definatly learn something if you pay close attention.
This was a major down grade I'd take a 6l80e 6spd over the old out dated old technology 4l80e 4spd. If they were selling it and I was in the market for this truck and say I went and looked at it and seen they did this swap I'd tell the guy congratulations your a idiot and I'd walk away. This is a major down grade and it will hurt the resale value!!! I now consider this truck to be a hack job pile of shit!
It's true, a 6 speed to a 4 will lead to so much taller gearing, even with a low rear end. Stupid... 4L80 is a POS too...
Blew up on my 3/4 ton Suburban w 105k and synthetic in all holes changed every 30k tops. Very little towing.
@@smokesgtp That's right these 6l80e 6spd are way better Ive had over 13 000lbs of trailer on with them and no issues I've own many and I liked them very stout if they were so bad then why does gm out the 420+ hp 6.2 infront of it. There's no way this little pos white Silverado's whimpy 5.3 is putting out that power. Major down grade what next ls 5.3 to a shity carbed small block like really this swap really pieces me off
@@taylorh3930 it is a weird swap to put it lightly. I don't get it. Not to mention the highway fuel mileage will go from terrible to worse.
Upgrade to a GM 6L90-E. 452 hp and 531 TQ in a truck performance build.
These guys for real? 6L80 can handle a beating....
These guys are idiot's the 6l80e is a way better tougher trans them the 4l80e.
@@taylorh3930 Yea, but their sponsor was not willing to drop that dime for a quick promo. Retired ASE Master Tech ;)
@@deankay4434 ya but now they just made themselves look like idiots by doing suck a stupid swap. They should of done a 4l80e to 6l80e 6spd swap they would if gotten way more views way let hate over it if any at all. The 6l80e 6spd is a way better trans then even over a mildly built 4l80e the 6l80e is a very superior transmission.
@@taylorh3930 how much boost you running?
@@charlesbrittain434 there's alot of high powered vettes with lots of boost running the 6l80e
Wish I had that Silverado in my driveway
You’ll get one partner.
Sits far to low. No longer even remotely functional.
@@bmstylee I like lowered trucks if they're done right. The way that Silverado was lowered was done right without sacrificing comfort and daily-drivability.
@@bmstylee " not functional"
Can haul a car trailer ✅
Can haul in the bed ✅
Someone please help me out correct me if I'm wrong but is that a crack in the housing of the rear @ 14:27 the crack is going from the pinion gear housing to where the rear end housing molds in I do believe it a little crack but if you look for it you'll see it right after he knocks the pinion gear out
It's a flexplate not a flywheel. Also sealer is needed on bolts the will leak oil.
9.48 I was omg the condenser!!!!?!? Must see close call!
Wow that was close!
Would it have killed you to put in a built 6L80?
I love my 6l80 after it was tuned of course
Parts # list??
Can you still use the plus/minus manual mode on the shifter?
I had to replace my rearend and all i did is use a tunner but ive got a much better one now
Did y'all have to adjust the linkage at all or change any brackets out for the linkage? When I did my 4L60E to 4L80E swap I have every gear except first and it almost feels like it'll go into 1st so I'm guessing there should be enough adjustment in the cable for it to work.
thank you, One of the best info videos I've seen. Transmission upgrade very simplified.
Man I love that these episodes are posting now! This particular one hurts:/ 6L90 would’ve been my upgrade choice. The 4 speeds are just awful to daily around. Slow slushy unresponsive. The 6 speeds are too but they’re a little better for whatever reason.
6l80e > 4l80e
powerglide > everything else
@@basshead. unless you want to drive it. 4L80 all day. ua-cam.com/video/5BP99JlFNns/v-deo.html
Definitely. I have a 2012 Cadillac Escalade
@@basshead. Maybe in a drag car...
Did you keep the same cluster? 6 speed to 4 speed transmission...??
That’s a lot of pretty pennies going into that truck but I’m interested , I’m currently building nnbs single 4.8l for boost I doubt I’ll need all that but , it is reliable
Would you please give my UA-cam channel a Subscribe Dave's racing channel
Have you done any racing in this truck yet?
Won't the new drive shaft also have to be a different length?
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Question: why go from 6 speeds to 4 speeds
10:20 sorry what planet am I living on where would the liquid go?! How is the sleeve going on the INSIDE of the AN line hahahha!!!! You meant outside? Too funny!
150k is a good run.
Why didn't you go with the Allison LT1000 trans? Much more robust than an outdated 4L80. Just my opinion.
Reviews I've seen from other places on the interwebs have not been very favorable for Monster Transmissions. I personally have no experience with monster. What's the popular consensus on this brand of transmission?
They used to be good. But as they got bigger, their quality has gone to shit and they're a hassle to warranty anything.
@@Steve_I decent units but my God the money...
I guess someday you guys will be pulling out a newer 8 or 10 speed to install a powerglide. Pull off the direct injection and install a carb. Cant say that the ideas on this show were ever very bright.
What an upgrade! I'd make this truck even better with a two speed non lockup Powerglide and a carburated big block. It would eat all the gas you want!
LOL it does seem they went backwards on this. 6L80s are stout. You'd be better off putting some money into that-or going with a 6L90-rather than losing the performance advantage of two extra gears and having to navigate the computer control issues. And then they went from a 1 piece to 2 piece driveshaft-for a performance truck that's going to limit your top speed.
I cringed when they drilled it close to the radiator/cooler. I wonder if there is some minor damage from drilling. (9:46)
DaNihselAuto even I can see that there isn’t any. Come on. These guys know what they’re doing.
lol, that 6l80e was better than the 4l80e, what a waste. better fuel economy out the 6l80e, better power management too.
Would like to know what it takes to swap a 4L60e to a 4l80e in a 96gmc c2500.
Are y’all serious? Downgrading from a 6L80 to a 4L ? Thanks for letting me know this is the wrong channel for information. And a Monster Trans? What a joke y’all are.
Hey at least there is a show about cars, trucks, and engines! Beside gas monkey and crap. Instead of some garbage ass shit like, 20 kids and counting or dance mom's or some shit! All info may not be good but some of it is. Also, Pat knows his engine shit, Guarantee that! People act like they know everything in the comment section. It's comical lol
@@slopoke22 it really is though...everyone in the comments does this shit for a living
what is the Frequency of the Sensors ?
i like to see them do a 8 speed and why would u just get a 14 bolt rearend all that work and no twins and tuning can be done easy with hp tuners i got over 210k on my tahoe with my 6l80e i got 2500 stall and comp cam 54-602-11 with no problems at all
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Only 20 minutes for a trans swap? Nice! Going to do this right now without a lift and none of the proper tools! Seems easy enough 😉
Not sure if i would go from a 1 pc to a 2pc driveshaft
1:30 if you had chance the transmission filter. The rear planet would have gotten adequate lubrication. You made the truck slower with the 4L80.
4:30 it doesn’t take a very long time for the pump to fill the torque converter with fluid. Where do actors get this bs from?
12:00 Installing 3.73 gears will not make up for the tall 2.48 first gear and it hurts mpg even more because the 4L80 .75 overdrive.
I'm still not sure why they only went to a 3.73. It's not a big upgrade over the stock gears. They spent a lot of time and money to correct for the deficiencies of a 4 speed when they could have just sunk the money in building and tuning the 6 speed.
So does the driveshaft still fit you kinda skimmed right over that and shortening driveshafts is not cheap
How do I get a better transmission I have a 4l60e.its gone out on me once n i feel like I burnt out 3-4 it sat for awhile 6-7 months so could it just not have kept the fluid in it.. should I change out the transmission filter n do a flush. I want to upgrade the servo band n all the other weak points so should I just do that
That's a monster paperweight right there lol I ordered a monster, then had pump issues. Tore it down to replace it... it was an ebay pump. Only reason I know is because it had the same Chinese symbol logo that came on an ebay pump I bought for a 4l60 before. That Trans was already bad and in my junk pile so I confirmed to make sure... yep ebay parts on a high dollar trans.. monster is junk
In a quarter mile pull what is everyone's guess as to how fast this full build on the truck would do? Mph & Time
15.2
When he installed the torque converter, he said "its definitely in there". Is that solely due to the three clunks? Or is there another way to verify?
Hmmmm. Going to an older platform because it works. 4x4s using powerglides, detecting a theme here. auto engineers listen. Make a platform that works, will hold up, end user serviceable, and can welcome aftermarket support you will have a loyal following and sales will be great. Focus on this instead of a sensor letting me know how far my beverage is seated in the cup holder.
Keep in mind 4L80 was never a half ton transmission. So this isn’t a return to the past in that sense. 6L80/6L90 is a better trans for a pickup truck IMO. Now days there are plenty of build up options for them. I am also pretty sure the early 6L80 was the weaker one. They’ve been known to be quite strong in later years. 6L90 is technically the successor to the 4L80/85 as both were for HD applications.
You want all that in a modern car? Buy a premium car then, not a Chevy. Take an Audi, Lexus or Mercedes SUV apart after only 150k miles, and you won't see the gears stripped off. In fact, you won't see that after 500k. Getting a modern SUV or truck with a big engine and lots of power for a TINY amount of money is bound to get you some mechanical issues, because nothing on that vehicle is over-engineered, it's all "that will do" to keep the costs down.
@@derbigpr500 actually Ram runs ZF_8HP_transmission in them. Best transmission in a 1500 truck.
@@derbigpr500 Meet me at the strip.
@@derbigpr500 Really, a Toyota, VW, or a Benz? Mercedes have not been overbuilt since the 126 body, everything after that is disposable. Toyota's and VW's have always been junk!
No way to keep the 6sp???
@@andrewthetool OR use a turbo 400 with a gearvendors overdrive unit and split shift for 6 gears that will never die.
What if I Wana got the other way? 4l60 to 6l80?
They ALMOST killed the ac condenser lol
At 14:30 is it just me or does that bearing races housing it sits in look cracked at the top as he’s taping looks like it moves could just be me
Yes, I agree. It does look like it's moving, whereas the rest of the housing isn't, so it's not the camera shaking.
My 2015 Silverado transmission threw metal in the pump and I had no transmission