those videos are just commercials for bike brands, the other guys did one for the trek alr. theyre pushing the narrative that 3-5k is an affordable good value. its a joke.
Wow ! My steel bike has no carbon on it and weighs nine kg. His bike should weigh a lot less. Interesting video Reginald. Looking forward to your next video. All the best!
I've used Pirelli tpu tubes and can say they work great but cost much more than the ride now tubes of which now I use, ride now 24g, after taking your advice. Enjoyed the video!
Remind me never to race a crit with you. I race at least 12 crits a year and rarely, like once a year have a crash in my race. (it took 12 years before I got taken down). I have raced crits with 400m @8% climbs and others with hot dog turns, where you race down a road, turn 180 degrees and race up the other side of the road, dual lanes roads no so bad, but single lane roads require braking skills. As far as the GCN video it is the ultimate crit bike they can build with their sponsors (Cannondale and Shimano, hence all the Pro components) products. Hence the 11-30 cassette as it is the smallest 12 speed cassette Shimano makes. I generally agree with you on what makes a good crit bike. My crit bike is 15 year old alloy Canyon, with deep carbon rims (I only win crits from breakaways, so I need all the speed I can get), running 10 speed SRAM Red, 53/39 chain rings (I do ride to races) and 11-21 cassette, total weight about 7.0kg (it was UCI illegal when running shallower carbon rims and tubulars). Though weight does not really matter and would take aero gains over weight any day for crits. The one crash I was involved in, a rider on a new Giant Propel touched the wheel of a new Pinarello Dogma, they both went down, I was directly behind them, so nowhere to go, straight into the pair, over the bars and landed on the verge. I was winded, the only damage to my bike was a scratched wheel, both the Dogma and Propel had broken top tubes.
My crit pig purchase: I bought a slightly damaged rim brake CAAD10 (Shimano 105). Cost Aud$550 1. Dented chainstay from repeated workboot strikes during previous owners commute to work 2. "Ring of death" on fork. Had to slam stem to remove affected steerer tube (caused by poorly designed super thin Cannondale stem) Update: - $25 aliexpress specialized power knock off saddle - original alu bars and tape - my oldest shimano spd pedals - sram S30Al rims (too friggin narrow) - weight 6.8kg
I saw a Specialized Allez for sale here in Auckland at a second hand place with Ultegra in with Aksium Race wheels with All Condition Armadillo. The whole bike was mint and had the aerofoil shape that the 2006 and 2007 Tarmac. It was like new and the guy wanted $600 for it
I enjoyed GCN's crit bike building series. But the cost of this bike is pretty high for someone who lives in Asia... Probably an living standard and income differences are the reason. If Alex is allowed to build without sponsorship requirements, he can build something costs half the money and still be competitive with his race.
I will say having disc brakes are nice for the crits in river towns in the US, they typically have a super steep hill followed by a just as steep descent as the main feature.
Me personally, it’s not that important. Crit races are normally short and fast and high adrenaline, so you don’t have time to worry about it. 😁 But in longer races/stages races then yes comfort is very important. In my opinion more important than aerodynamics of the bike for example.
@@reginaldscot165 Yup, that was pretty obvious question ay? 😄 Like, there's new disc version of Allez Sprint, and it seems like they are really putting their point ever so slightly on the comfort. I've known Sprint to be a absolute crit machine. Wondering, where are they taking my dear Allez to...?
Excellent. 🙂 Well, the harder the compound the more wear on the rim but the better breaking. I find standard shimano pads have very good bite. But they do terrible damage to the rims. So I have opted to use BBB Techstop pads (BBS-23) they are a little softer, don’t seem to wear the rims at all and provide plenty of breaking power without being grabby.
Hello Reginald , just checking in again . I usually have some smart ass thing to say , usually manage to pry in a Brexit thing , you get a free pass this time . I even agree with most of what you said . 😅 .
A lot of crits here in the US feature very steep & punchy climbs. Agree that you don't need mountain gearing but just saying they aren't flat like you describe. Also a 50t chainring is plenty for most non-pros if you have a 10t in the rear, which many people do.
I guess it depends where in the US you live? Some places don’t have much in the way of hills. Also, generally Crit by normal definition is a race held on a flat road. But I’m not surprised to hear some, somewhere do have some hills. I think for the vast majority of people they won’t need climbing gears for Crit, but obviously if they include hills in your area then it would be sensible to add some bigger cogs. 🙂👍🏻 Safe riding! 🙏🏻
I think you illustrated some of the ideal gear much better than GCN. Just like their titanium frame review, they seem to miss a lot of the most important features.
Hi Reginald, mostly I agree with you, but he used Shimano 12 speed gruppo, short cage derailleur and 11-25 cassette doesn't exist anymore. In this scenario is better to use 11 speed Shimano group. Also it will be cheaper.
@@reginaldscot165well, 8 speed shifting isn't so fast and precise. In my experience, from Tiagra 10 speed and higher, you'll get the best shifting performance.
Hahaha 🤣 8.27 kg And he spent thousands of pounds! My simple aluminum SS/FIXIE with all aluminum parts,and weighty rear wheel,weighs 7.7 kg! I've spent around 400€ all together and build it myself 😊 Greetings from Croatia from Kris 😎 Great video Reggie!
Hi Reginald. I've never raced but if I understand what a crit race is then most of what you say makes sense. I would say the rim brakes and carbon rims are not the best combination, but then you said ally rims, that works well. I've seen some of the "city centre" racing and they had some steep streets but if you need easier gears for some races then change cassette. Steel SG is 7.8 and ally is 2.45. but the ally needs to be thicker/bigger so the saving is not so great. What really struct me about Alex's build was "value for money"and that not cheap custom paint job.
@@timtaylor9590 Yes and thats fine if you only ride in the dry. I too much remember wheels with chrome plated steel rims. A bit of rain and no brakes. No fun at all. Yes theres carbon wheels with aluminium tracks, an unfortunate proximity of disimilar materials. Its no wonder theres disc brakes.
@@emmabird9745 depends on the application, for pure speed and performance, not all conditions do it all, rim brake wins. Alloy brake tracks aren't a bad compromise.
For Crit? Or in general? For crit whatever you can get second hand. As stated, aluminium and rim brakes if possible. Bowman Palace R MK2 Giant TCR SL Caad 10/12 Allez Sprint Boardman Road Sport Something like that. 👍🏻
I agree that GCN didn't build the ultimate crit bike but what do you expect from them? Just par for the course. That said it's a bit unfair to compare to a used build, no doubt that can save a lot of money. And like it or not disc wheels are becoming the standard so spares and replacements are more easily available, they aren't necessary for crits but I don't find them to be a penalty. Carbon wheels do cost more and may not always save weight but man are they stiff, very nice for accelerating and sprints.
I kind of feel bad for the guy, he gets a lot of criticism when he seems to genuinely love what he does and wants to pump out educational content. As a collective I think we should all be a little nicer to him. In particular, we all went in HARD on his hookless video 😂
To Alex´ defence he´s not the only one weighing a bike without pedals. In my experience most manufacturers (and people) do. I agree however that it´s stupid to do so.
No need to swear. But you are also wrong. Not based on my opinion, but on scientific fact, weight matters. It affects acceleration. It’s just physics. 🤷🏻♂️
@@reginaldscot165only the inertia of the wheels! the lighter the outter rotating mass the better the acceleration. That´s why light rims, tyres and tubes are king. The weight of the rest hardly make a differance on the flat. That´s why TT Frames (9kg) are (compared to road frames 7.5kg) heavy as hell, cause the weight on flats is irrelevant. Physiks, not so hard to understand ;-)
Aluminium is 30% the strength of steel so has to be 3x thicker hence a similar weight as steel. Their bike is ridiculous but your manner makes you seem like a show off. It's a nit pick yawn fest even though I agree with a lot of what you conclude. Those GCN people are out of touch with the restores with their money no object projects and insincere plugging of expensive stuff.
I have never tried. But I would imagine you would get a better cut on a pizza with a rotor than a chain ring. As the chain ring has teeth and would only perforate the surface as you rolled it backwards and forwards. But I’d gladly watch a demonstration. 😁
If suggesting rim brakes, let's match them with friction shifters and 7-speed. I feel I'm missing something, though. As if there may be better modern technology we could use 🤣
I don’t quite understand why he said it? I mean I get it’s just marketing and I’m ok with that. He could just have said, “I think this is a really good Crit build.” Or “this is the best Crit build with new parts on offer for these brands.” But what say “I genuinely believe this is the ultimate Crit build.” That’s so far from reality! 😅
@@reginaldscot165 They did a video on motor doping where they started off calling everyone who suspected it was real "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist flat earthers" then admitted people had been caught doing it lol. They're absolute bottom feeding shills, zero doubt they'd have defended Armstrong before he was caught, they have no morals at all.
is all you do now pass high and mighty judgement on other content? Opinions are like arseholes.....everybody has one. Would far rather see some of your useful tool and teardown vids
I appreciate the variety of content, and never get the feeling Reginald passes high and mighty opinions; they are fair and well constructed arguments. I have a lot of time for independent content creators that this 👍
those videos are just commercials for bike brands, the other guys did one for the trek alr. theyre pushing the narrative that 3-5k is an affordable good value. its a joke.
Yes that is a joke! 😂
true
Wow ! My steel bike has no carbon on it and weighs nine kg.
His bike should weigh a lot less.
Interesting video Reginald.
Looking forward to your next video.
All the best!
Thanks for watching! I really appreciate it. 🙂👍🏻
I've used Pirelli tpu tubes and can say they work great but cost much more than the ride now tubes of which now I use, ride now 24g, after taking your advice. Enjoyed the video!
Thank you! Happy riding. 🙂👍🏻
Remind me never to race a crit with you. I race at least 12 crits a year and rarely, like once a year have a crash in my race. (it took 12 years before I got taken down).
I have raced crits with 400m @8% climbs and others with hot dog turns, where you race down a road, turn 180 degrees and race up the other side of the road, dual lanes roads no so bad, but single lane roads require braking skills.
As far as the GCN video it is the ultimate crit bike they can build with their sponsors (Cannondale and Shimano, hence all the Pro components) products. Hence the 11-30 cassette as it is the smallest 12 speed cassette Shimano makes.
I generally agree with you on what makes a good crit bike. My crit bike is 15 year old alloy Canyon, with deep carbon rims (I only win crits from breakaways, so I need all the speed I can get), running 10 speed SRAM Red, 53/39 chain rings (I do ride to races) and 11-21 cassette, total weight about 7.0kg (it was UCI illegal when running shallower carbon rims and tubulars). Though weight does not really matter and would take aero gains over weight any day for crits.
The one crash I was involved in, a rider on a new Giant Propel touched the wheel of a new Pinarello Dogma, they both went down, I was directly behind them, so nowhere to go, straight into the pair, over the bars and landed on the verge. I was winded, the only damage to my bike was a scratched wheel, both the Dogma and Propel had broken top tubes.
Yeah I race with some crazy people. 😂 Thankfully I have never been involved, but I was nearly taken out in my last race. 😅
I crashed in my very first race. I was the last rider to go down in this video. I really couldn't do anything ua-cam.com/video/pWy7LM4S0tY/v-deo.html
My crit pig purchase: I bought a slightly damaged rim brake CAAD10 (Shimano 105). Cost Aud$550
1. Dented chainstay from repeated workboot strikes during previous owners commute to work
2. "Ring of death" on fork. Had to slam stem to remove affected steerer tube (caused by poorly designed super thin Cannondale stem)
Update:
- $25 aliexpress specialized power knock off saddle
- original alu bars and tape
- my oldest shimano spd pedals
- sram S30Al rims (too friggin narrow)
- weight 6.8kg
Super nice 👌🏻
I saw a Specialized Allez for sale here in Auckland at a second hand place with Ultegra in with Aksium Race wheels with All Condition Armadillo. The whole bike was mint and had the aerofoil shape that the 2006 and 2007 Tarmac. It was like new and the guy wanted $600 for it
Nice! Bargain! The Ultegra new was worth $1000 on it’s own. 🙂👍🏻
I enjoyed GCN's crit bike building series. But the cost of this bike is pretty high for someone who lives in Asia... Probably an living standard and income differences are the reason.
If Alex is allowed to build without sponsorship requirements, he can build something costs half the money and still be competitive with his race.
I agree 👍🏻🙂
I will say having disc brakes are nice for the crits in river towns in the US, they typically have a super steep hill followed by a just as steep descent as the main feature.
Cool 🙂👍🏻
Regarding all these aspects you pointed out, I wonder whether comfort should be in the list of making crit bikes. What do you think?
Me personally, it’s not that important. Crit races are normally short and fast and high adrenaline, so you don’t have time to worry about it. 😁
But in longer races/stages races then yes comfort is very important. In my opinion more important than aerodynamics of the bike for example.
@@reginaldscot165 Yup, that was pretty obvious question ay? 😄 Like, there's new disc version of Allez Sprint, and it seems like they are really putting their point ever so slightly on the comfort. I've known Sprint to be a absolute crit machine. Wondering, where are they taking my dear Allez to...?
bought a caad12 ultegra about half a year ago, gonna swap the bars for alloy ones, also what brake pads would you recommend?
for alloy rims
Excellent. 🙂
Well, the harder the compound the more wear on the rim but the better breaking. I find standard shimano pads have very good bite. But they do terrible damage to the rims. So I have opted to use BBB Techstop pads (BBS-23) they are a little softer, don’t seem to wear the rims at all and provide plenty of breaking power without being grabby.
@@reginaldscot165 Thank you, i'll look for those then.
Hello Reginald , just checking in again . I usually have some smart ass thing to say , usually manage to pry in a Brexit thing , you get a free pass this time . I even agree with most of what you said . 😅 .
Ha ha keep up the good work! Always appreciate a smart ass comment. 😁👍🏻
A lot of crits here in the US feature very steep & punchy climbs. Agree that you don't need mountain gearing but just saying they aren't flat like you describe. Also a 50t chainring is plenty for most non-pros if you have a 10t in the rear, which many people do.
I guess it depends where in the US you live? Some places don’t have much in the way of hills. Also, generally Crit by normal definition is a race held on a flat road. But I’m not surprised to hear some, somewhere do have some hills. I think for the vast majority of people they won’t need climbing gears for Crit, but obviously if they include hills in your area then it would be sensible to add some bigger cogs. 🙂👍🏻
Safe riding! 🙏🏻
These would be my performance spec aluminium builds.
Rim brake
Cannondale CAAD12
Shimano 105 R7000
BBInfinite BB30A for Shimano Hollowtech II (steel bearings)
PRO PLT aluminium cockpit
Custom-configured 45 mm carbon wheelset (Nextie 45 mm rims + Sapim CX-Ray spokes + Sapim brass nipples + White Industries T11)
Disc brake
First-generation Specialized Allez Sprint Disc
Shimano Ultegra R8020 + Rotor ALDHU24 crankset
BBInfinite BB30 for Shimano Hollowtech II (steel bearings)
PRO Vibe aluminium cockpit
Custom-configured 4050 carbon wheelset (Nextie 40 mm front 50 mm rear rims + Sapim CX-Ray spokes + Sapim brass nipples + White Industries CLD)
Great comment! Thanks for being so detailed. 💪🏼👍🏻🙂
I think you illustrated some of the ideal gear much better than GCN. Just like their titanium frame review, they seem to miss a lot of the most important features.
Intentionally. 😁
@@reginaldscot165 what makes you say it was intentional?
GCN(Global Cannondale Network)
IYKYK
Money talks. 🙂
Cannondale? What about Orbea, Pinarello and SEVERAL others. They might be paid by EVERONE, but then what´s the problem?
Hi Reginald, mostly I agree with you, but he used Shimano 12 speed gruppo, short cage derailleur and 11-25 cassette doesn't exist anymore. In this scenario is better to use 11 speed Shimano group. Also it will be cheaper.
Yes I agree, hay why not go 8 speed! 😅👍🏻
@@reginaldscot165well, 8 speed shifting isn't so fast and precise. In my experience, from Tiagra 10 speed and higher, you'll get the best shifting performance.
Hahaha 🤣
8.27 kg
And he spent thousands of pounds! My simple aluminum SS/FIXIE with all aluminum parts,and weighty rear wheel,weighs 7.7 kg! I've spent around 400€ all together and build it myself 😊
Greetings from Croatia from Kris 😎
Great video Reggie!
Yeah that sounds like the real deal. 😀👍🏻 Thank you. 🙏🏻
Hi Reginald. I've never raced but if I understand what a crit race is then most of what you say makes sense.
I would say the rim brakes and carbon rims are not the best combination, but then you said ally rims, that works well.
I've seen some of the "city centre" racing and they had some steep streets but if you need easier gears for some races then change cassette.
Steel SG is 7.8 and ally is 2.45. but the ally needs to be thicker/bigger so the saving is not so great.
What really struct me about Alex's build was "value for money"and that not cheap custom paint job.
only in the wet will carbon wheels stop slower, but they do make carbon wheels with alloy brake tracks
@@timtaylor9590 Yes and thats fine if you only ride in the dry. I too much remember wheels with chrome plated steel rims. A bit of rain and no brakes. No fun at all.
Yes theres carbon wheels with aluminium tracks, an unfortunate proximity of disimilar materials. Its no wonder theres disc brakes.
@@emmabird9745 depends on the application, for pure speed and performance, not all conditions do it all, rim brake wins. Alloy brake tracks aren't a bad compromise.
Yes not really cheap by my standards. In my local money it would have been $6,000 BND That’s enough for quite a few upper/mid tier carbon bikes.
Hi mate, what would be your top 5 frames to go for?
For Crit? Or in general?
For crit whatever you can get second hand. As stated, aluminium and rim brakes if possible.
Bowman Palace R MK2
Giant TCR SL
Caad 10/12
Allez Sprint
Boardman Road Sport
Something like that. 👍🏻
I agree that GCN didn't build the ultimate crit bike but what do you expect from them? Just par for the course. That said it's a bit unfair to compare to a used build, no doubt that can save a lot of money. And like it or not disc wheels are becoming the standard so spares and replacements are more easily available, they aren't necessary for crits but I don't find them to be a penalty. Carbon wheels do cost more and may not always save weight but man are they stiff, very nice for accelerating and sprints.
You can still get new rim brake frames. 🙂
Standard? The only people I know using disc brakes are mountain bikers, and half of them hate them.
Very good video
Thank you! That is very kind. 🙏🏻
Alex at GCN is great.
I’m glad you like him. 🙂
I kind of feel bad for the guy, he gets a lot of criticism when he seems to genuinely love what he does and wants to pump out educational content. As a collective I think we should all be a little nicer to him. In particular, we all went in HARD on his hookless video 😂
And that time he tried to put a dura ace crank on an used giant...
The Durace crank was a small gaff. The hookless video on the other hand....
@@jrmhng I missed out on that video... Man that hookless video is tough to watch. More like an 10mins ad sponsorsed by zipp...
To Alex´ defence he´s not the only one weighing a bike without pedals. In my experience most manufacturers (and people) do. I agree however that it´s stupid to do so.
Granted, but I wasn’t critical of the fact he didn’t weigh it with pedals. It was more about the weight itself. 🙂👍🏻
Are you trying to reintroduce reason into biking???
Trying… I know I’m an idiot. 😊
if they would have calculated the paint job within, then GBP 3250 will not be enough
For sure. 👍🏻
I feel happy,,,Oooomph
“See you Thursday.” 😁
That all got a bit messy didn't it from GCN Thank duck someone was paying attention.
Just me being picky for entertainment value. 😁
@@reginaldscot165 it's an unbearably channel.
😂
GCN dont really know how to make bike for the masses.
They know… but it wouldn’t fit into their business model. 🤔
On the Flat, like in crits...the weight of the bike dose not matter at fucking all!
No need to swear. But you are also wrong. Not based on my opinion, but on scientific fact, weight matters. It affects acceleration. It’s just physics. 🤷🏻♂️
@@reginaldscot165only the inertia of the wheels! the lighter the outter rotating mass the better the acceleration.
That´s why light rims, tyres and tubes are king.
The weight of the rest hardly make a differance on the flat.
That´s why TT Frames (9kg) are (compared to road frames 7.5kg) heavy as hell, cause the weight on flats is irrelevant.
Physiks, not so hard to understand ;-)
Aluminium is 30% the strength of steel so has to be 3x thicker hence a similar weight as steel. Their bike is ridiculous but your manner makes you seem like a show off. It's a nit pick yawn fest even though I agree with a lot of what you conclude. Those GCN people are out of touch with the restores with their money no object projects and insincere plugging of expensive stuff.
My lightweight steel rim brake frame is 2kg. A lightweight aluminium rim brake frame is 1.2kg.
Next.
So the aluminium frames still twice as heavy for the given tube size.. Your hubris is unnecessary @@reginaldscot165
Pizza cutters...? Come on. You won´t be able to cut pizza very well with disc rotors. Chain rings are MUCH more dangerous.
I have never tried. But I would imagine you would get a better cut on a pizza with a rotor than a chain ring. As the chain ring has teeth and would only perforate the surface as you rolled it backwards and forwards. But I’d gladly watch a demonstration. 😁
If suggesting rim brakes, let's match them with friction shifters and 7-speed.
I feel I'm missing something, though. As if there may be better modern technology we could use 🤣
Ah I see what you did there. 😉
@@reginaldscot165 Sorry, I couldn't resist! :-D
Like a cf frame?
GCN /Alex sinking the channel, no value in what they have been doing lately
It’s getting that way…
He knows that's not true. He used to race. I guess they do it for the comments. and to sell a bike. And get people riled up. for the comments again.
I don’t quite understand why he said it? I mean I get it’s just marketing and I’m ok with that. He could just have said, “I think this is a really good Crit build.” Or “this is the best Crit build with new parts on offer for these brands.” But what say “I genuinely believe this is the ultimate Crit build.” That’s so far from reality!
😅
But aren't these guys from GCN ashamed?
Obviously not. 🤷🏻♂️🙂
Can't stand those GCN shills
I can’t stand Si. The rest I tolerate. 😅
@@reginaldscot165I love Emma Pooley but sadly she's gone 😢
@@reginaldscot165 They did a video on motor doping where they started off calling everyone who suspected it was real "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist flat earthers" then admitted people had been caught doing it lol. They're absolute bottom feeding shills, zero doubt they'd have defended Armstrong before he was caught, they have no morals at all.
is all you do now pass high and mighty judgement on other content? Opinions are like arseholes.....everybody has one.
Would far rather see some of your useful tool and teardown vids
I do have a variety of videos. 🙂👍🏻
I appreciate the variety of content, and never get the feeling Reginald passes high and mighty opinions; they are fair and well constructed arguments. I have a lot of time for independent content creators that this 👍
No no, I know exactly the problem as I’ve figured it out. Just don’t look at him. Listen like a podcast and it’s like a whole different production.
I agree @JBR. He comes across as smug and arrogant even though their bike is a joke.