Why Singers Are A Pain In The A** To Work With!
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- Опубліковано 31 січ 2023
- Here is a clip from my long-form interview with Rick Beato where reveals the people he hates working with the most. Obviously, as someone who is part of that demographic I tried my best to defend us, not sure it worked though. You can watch the full length interview here: • Justin Hawkins Intervi...
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Hey Justin, How many vocalists does it take to change a light bulb? Just one. They hold the light bulb still while the universe revolves around them!
Love ya dude. Thanks man.
How do you know a lead singer is at your door?
Always late and doesn't have the right key
@@lawrencewheat1290 How do you know when a drummer's at your door? He's late, his knock slows down and he comes in out of time.
LOL...
Last night I left my banjo in my car.
When I woke up the side window was broken out and there were three of them now....
:D
How do you know your stage is level? The drummer is drooling out of both sides of his mouth.
@@joeruder The same thing happened with my accordion!
You are my favorite...but you two together are absolutely brilliant together! It would be so cool if could do a monthly/weekly thing. Man! Funny, insightful, and wildly entertaining. I'm 65, and you guys make me feel like I'm 64!
The little intro nod to ‘let’s do that again’ (the producer’s mantra with vocalists) was classic! 😂
“Performing music forces us to face our own inadequacies head on. It is horrible”- John McLaughlin
It was a great interview. I'd love to hear more like this. Rick Beato is an awesome guy.
Good lord I relate to this. I love singers, I’ve built my career as an instrumentalist around singers I adore. But when I’m producing, vocals are my least favorite part by far. It’s insanely tedious getting a final vocal where every part feels great. It can feel like a war of attrition until everyone kind of gives up and accepts that it’s good enough 😂
lol The way you describe this is both humorous and somewhat tragic. Honestly, good enough should suffice. We should'nt be expecting perfection from people. That is what we have autotunes for today (if you're the sort who requires a non-human sort of robotic perfection).
Good enough seems like it should be just that...good enough. That said, I'm the person LISTENING to all these finished productions that all you producers labor over for hours so people like me can listen effortlessly.
I'm thinking there must be songs that producers have to work so hard on that they can't even listen to them a year or two later without cringing, remembering how hard it was to achieve. lol
@@le_th_ i like glen frickers way of doing it, he autotunes the singers first efforts and gets them to learn the perfect version, then records them live singing, so it doesn't sound mechanical. benefit, the singer... goes away.
@@felderup that’s how I work. I put a real-time auto tune on the singer while they are singing. When I sing myself it’s helpful, you can hear it moving the note up or down so you know where to improve. It’s also builds confidence while performing. Once good takes are recorded I turn it off and correct any unpleasant moments manually. This way things feel more natural, it’s not robotized, but still “perfect enough” to meet modern listening expectations for pitch. Split the diff
As a singer from back in the 90s, one of the most interesting things I've come across lately, is the trick where singers would monitor with two speakers out of phase instead of headphones. This apparantly helps with pitch immensely. Two of note that have used this are Kenny loggins and chris Cornell. I wish I had known about that especially for doubling.
You guys were phenomenal last night in Birmingham!! Great video Justin 👍
Guitars don't argue, get tired, or talk back.
Honestly... you are so entertaining, I think you on your first duck hunt, Justin Hawkins tries ice-skating, plays Skyrim, finds groceries for the misses... just any ole thing really.
OMFG Just NO to ice skating. You NEVER allow your lead guitarist, drummer, bassist, triangle player...*anyone*...who uses their hands to ice skate just before or during a tour. My god, that is like inviting catastrophe AND causing dozens of people to lose their jobs, all because one person in the band...much less the lead vocalist and guitarist...decided to behave like a self-absorbed idiot who can't equate possible consequences with actions and go ice skating.
This is why professional sports teams FORCE their players to sign such extensive contracts on what they can and cannot do while under contract...even in their free time...even in the off-season.
One snapped wrist...one twist of the knee...bye-bye entire tour, and all the record sales that would've happened with it....and every single job, right down to the people who work security and concessions (drivers, roadies, tour managers, guitar techs...and many, many more).
ice skating smh
@@le_th_ Wow
SKYRIM
@@le_th_ jesus christ, it was obviously a joke......
Skyrim is like crack for women.
I’m a 63 yr old bass player & singer kind of lol. First time I was in a professional studio we went to do harmonies after everything else was done. Now my bass parts were no problem but my vocals…..after a couple takes the engineer comes over the talk back & with a smile says..” hey Joe despite what you may have heard about what can be done in a studio I can’t make you sound like Paul McCartney I can only make you sound less shitty than you do lol” ….point taken.
Love ur channel thxs again for riding again
Prescott AZ
Hello Mr Hawkins, a few days ago, your band and yourself performed in Glasgow and played my favorite song "Heart Explodes".
I was present in the audience.
I thank you for it.
Love to Softy and Frankie's mum.
How is Frankie's mum? Was she at the gig?
Great interview, ty for all you do.
love to see you and rick work on a song for fun
ME TOO !
Bloody fabulous and insightful content.
Thanks Justin! 😊
I was avoiding the full interview cus I didn't want to commit. So good job on sucking me into an interesting snippet, so now your playful banter with Rick and both of your insightful stories compels me to just watch the damn interview
Omg how did I miss this! Love Rick Beato! Great video! ❤
Ha, I can tell you’re rehearsing because you just nailed that riff at the end, can’t wait to see the full interview …congratulations…
Really interesting interaction between these two legends. Recording is a strange scene. In my experience recordings with bands was always under the pump and so you had to have the practice under the belt to render close to the band vision. As a solo producer, I lay down the tracks with options to choose or sometimes space to develop a change. When there is enough substance I might start massaging some vox ideas into the groove. I might have lyrics written on things I observe or have some perspective on, and use these as a start, and they are always fluid. Maybe, singers get too precious about what they are articulating and get too fixed. I'm not really a singer and have limited range but I try to enhance the rest of what is going on as apposed to fighting the backing. Lately, playing acoustic versions of my tunes and jamming covers of the music I grew up with helps center the basics of what music and playing should be. Thanks Justin and Rick.
Rick is amazing 👏👏👏🥂thanks for your great videos 🥂
Another great musical video dude.
Hello Justin from Gold Coast Australia
Brilliant conversation 😉
This was awesome....one of your best!
Recording vocals is my favorite part of any production! I never get tired by it. The vocalists do though... I like to squeeze everything I can out of them.
Your intro was so funny. Love it!
There have been times when I have been tracking lead vocals and I wanted to but my head through the monitor. I think of lead singers as kind of a cross between a musician and an actor, and I imagine that a producer dealing with a lead singer in a recording session is not unlike a film director dealing with a lead actor on a film set. The energy must be similar.
That's a great point. Singers are frontmen/women; they want attention. And having known some actors - and opera singers, which truly is a combination of both - they're definitely drama-seekers offstage, too.😅
Hey Justin can you do more interviews with famous people now and again, really really interesting
Almost everything Desmond touched, turned to gold. He pretty much wrote or arranged every song I listened to in my younger days. Aerosmith and Bon Jovi for the win! ❤
Saw you last night in Birmingham with my 13 year old son Oliver. He didn't stop smiling all evening. Thank you to you and the Darkness crew for putting on such a fantastic show. Love you all.
That’s awesome 👏🏽. I have an Oliver myself halfway between Birmingham, Al , US and Huntsville-NASA et Al. We enjoy various great stuff ourselves. Music is important. Rock on. Enjoy the little big stuff. I’ve been revisiting Audioslave among others.
I can understand where Rick is coming from. It has been tough for me to lock in my vocals, and I don't have the equipment that either of you have. It is so much harder to tune and hone a living instrument, where so many little things can affect your voice.
I'm an amateur jazz singer and singing feels like I am in a rocket ship with 5000 buttons and switches, lamps blinking everywhere (especially pitch but far from being the only disturbance) and I think I know what half of the buttons do. I have to land this thing everytime I perform on a different planet while there is an invisible goblin that plays around with the buttons while I fly, before and after.
Starting a difficult piece feels like a fighter pilot but it helps to have pieces I love, where I know what to convey and it has somehow locked in. It helped having experience in acting but being a useful actor is still miles away from being a functioning vocalist.
I also know that instrumentalists think they could sing just as good or better but then they still don't do it. Because from the inside, it's much more difficult than it looks.
The audience should sometimes be happy they won't ever hear your inner voice while singing :)
Also there are pieces where you are expected to function just like one more alto sax or trumpet. I try to avoid these because they don't let us add our value. Good music is a conversation, not a march.
DUDE - your Beato thing was golden!
Awesome vid, thanks!
Justin's channel is blowing up man
You're great, Justin. Thank you sir.
For live performance (solo with guitar), when I am not connecting right, I stop, take a breath, look down and remember, for a moment, why I learned this song originally, and tap in to that emotion. For me, it works. Especially if I have played it many times in many places. I go back to the original emotion.
The Dramatic Monologue album is going to be brilliant. 🔥
Loved the bit when he told you you played a half diminished chord and you were like what???😊😊😊
Ha Ha Ha! Loved the opening! 😄
This is golden Justin, golden!
it took me a few watches to get the "full feature" watched. But this snippet was still worth a watch.
Can we please get a re-issue of Permission to Land this year? Thank you. Love you x
Justin man I really gotta agree with this dude. 20 year anniversary shows too, if you’d be so kind. Lots of love too x
We concur
Hilarious opening dig. I hope Rick sees it.
I love listening and watching you and Rick.
Rick is one of the classiest people in the music industry
Great conversation.
Unrelated, but hoping you make a video on the new band out of Liverpool, Cosmic. Extremely Queen inspired, and done really well.
Please do a review on Riverside. Their single Friend or Foe is right up your alley! Lots of synths!
Polish bass player fronted progressive rock.
Their UA-cam ad got me. “Friend or Foe” is excellent…great retro late 70s/early 80s prog.
On the topic of vocalists, Ozzy Osbourne announced his retirement from touring today. Means the Commonwealth Games Closing Ceremony last year could very well be the final live curtain for The Prince of Darkness.
😭 Very sad news. Much love to Ozzy ❤❤❤
I'm surprised he's managed to perform for this long tbh.
Who said it was live? I doubt his vocals were live
I think what ED G means with his comment is that was the last chance to share the same place with such a living legend. 🦇🤘
@@Rocksarum correct.
Ha Ha Ha. Excellent. Keep it short sweet and fresh. I can hear it in everything you do Justin.....
The entire key to what Justin said here, btw, first time watcher here, long time Beato watcher, however- is when you said, "When I GO BACK".
Yup- when I record my own vocals- same thing. Do several takes, listen back, this is ok, that's ok, oh, I like this, that sucks, great! All done! ... Leave for the day...
But we always have to GO BACK. Even when we tell ourselves not to, because we KNOW.. we just know.. it's not what Frodo said, "There is no going back", but far too many times, we wish that was the case..
This was awesome to watch. Rick was born for this, lol.
What a beautiful video!!! Two big...
That last "Yeah" 🤣. Killed man, my body wasn't ready for it 😂
Unrelated to this video - would love to hear your take on Primal Scream. They have explored a lot of genres in their time and are obviously most famous for making Screamadelica which is a classic dance album, but they've also made some very authentic-sounding traditional, bluesy rock in the vein of the Stones. I think Screamadelica is a masterpiece but am also very partial to a lot of seventies stuff like the Faces, Mick Taylor-era Rolling Stones, Dr. John, so I for one welcome their straight-ahead rock records, too, particularly the slower songs on Give Out but Don't Give Up.
Whenever Primal Scream do a rock album it tends to polarise people because it's probably just come after something that sounded completely different. You might've seen this quote from Steven Van Zandt: 'Primal Scream could be the biggest band in the world. They are fantastic when they make rock records - once every 10 years'. I personally feel that's a reductionist take on their output by someone who just isn't interested in their other stuff but also get that their genre shifts mean their appeal will change for different people from album to album.
What's your two cents?
My two favourite people. Wonderful.
Ha! I love your multiple take Theme Song just for Rick Beato. ♥️ Pure Slapstick. 👌
Ere........ your looking gorgeous today Justin😍🔥Thanks for sharing this clip, Rick is a legend, just like you x
This is such a funny video!
Factors why I think (if anyone cares, and I'm not defending vocalists) that vocals are the toughest instrument to play and succeed with on a recording (speaking as a singer AND instrumentalist): 1) More variables. An incredible amount of nuances can vary so slightly to give a completely different (and often, unfortunate) read of a line. 2) It's an internal instrument. Ultimately, the singer is, in essence, playing a slightly different instrument every day (and that's not even getting into emotional/psychological shifts). 3) It's the most versatile instrument. The good news is that it can get an infinite variety of sounds. The bad news is the same as the good news, and those sounds can be wrong, however slightly. 4) It requires exact audiation. In other words, it's not fretted, it's not something that can be fudged in moments by getting the fingering right on a static instrument, then recover to be inspired. Auto tune is often used to remedy this, and that's why auto tune is shit (except for rare spot treatment). 5) Very seldom, if ever, can a vocal be buried in a mix. 6) Vocals are usually the last thing, so they're expected to mesh with everything that's come before. (Oh, this has become so long it sounds like something a singer would go on and on about.)
Fantastic intro! 😂
I remember seeing that Vince Neal intervention / reinvention show. I also remember that part when Vince couldn't nail the melody.
When Rick said he was producing that I thought "no freaking way...well, of course he did." Lol
I'll have to check out the full interview.
Got to agree with Rick on this. My better half is the singer of our songs and she is great but I find comping vocal and backing vocal tracks mind bindingly tedious, then they often have to be automated to get them to sit "just so" in the mix.
Great!!
Have you listened to the latest ROTH SHOW!! Dave got the isolated vocals & harmonies of DANCE THE NIGHT AWAY! Talking how he tries to get those sounds. AMAZING
to see that 'distract the singer' technique in action, check out footage of how guy stevens brought in additional elements while the clash were recording london calling :P
Hi, you are right about vocals........funny, but they dont take forever to tune up. great show
Regarding Mutt Lange. When he produced Def Leopard's Hysteria album, he told the band to forget everything that they had learned and to do it his way. With Mutt also being a guitarist, he certainly knew what he was doing
...and the guitars were recorded via a Scholz Rockman.
This is so fucking good, I laughed too hard at this interaction (both men are truly hilarious and yet also somewhat fastidious and particular) making more funny
I do two takes in its entirety maximum and if you autotune it you cant hear a difference, its about practise and rehearsing well before you press record, Paul Rogers nailed it nearly every time first take because he was prepared and was talented.
Great 😊
Whonce again I shall say Mr Hawkins. You and Rick need to do something musical together. Maybe he can produce an extended cover of your theme tune. The purpose of teaching us not so fortunate peasants the fun of how to construct a ditty. Or not. You to have a nice chemistry. No pomp . Rock on \m/
Mr. Hawkins please, us The Darkness fans need that Hot Space tribute shirt. Please we need it in the online merch store!!
Much love to you Mr. Hawkins ♡
Part of the issue is that singing is the job where every little thing can affect it. I find some vocals I've done were tedious when it came to editing, but I didn't mind it to much. I usually do 2-4 takes song depending.
That being said, I found that I have worked with a person who didn't understand when I was sick (Had and autoimmune that effected lungs/breath control. . . drummer couldn't wrap his head around this idea. . . so now I record and perform alone)
Yeah. More of these long-form interviews, please!
Agree😊
Now I want to hear that instrumental album with some woffeling over the music
Love you Justin, Love you Rick
I watched the whole interview, but i like seeing bits agin it makes the dementia seem more normal. ''D'y know what i mean by that...''
Thanks
Bless Beato. He's a highly regarded educator & obviously his channel is a massive success. But he hasn't got much of track record as a hit making producer. I'm sure he gets plenty of offers now though.
Most of what is on UA-cam I dislike strongly but to hear that Justin Hawkins did an interview with Rick Beato, two people that I subscribe to, because they put out excellent content most of the time, is delightful news… I look forward to hearing this interview And I'm certain I won't be disappointed, but if I am, I will be sure to make my feelings known in the comment section for likely no one to read.
Loving the repeat failure technique
Justin, I recently heard that your band the Darkness did a show with the band Toto a few years ago. Carre to share any memories or thoughts on that experience?
Justin, what is your opinion on Zweifel Chips?
4.24 am in Australia 🇦🇺
Coffee ☕️ cigarette and Justin Hawkins rides again 👌
Ha ha ha...this is so true. Lol. Vocalists!!!! How many times have I mixed a track and it's really coming together, then you put the vocal in....ouch! I love singers who can work a track
...very few can. Lol
It's cool we'll fix it in the mix
Fun!
"I fell backwards into singing." I wish I could sing like Justin.
Great conversation. One other trick is to TRY to sing the part wrong. Something clicks and a singer will sing it correctly. I teach a speech class and students made to say a sentence incorrectly will often correct it internally.
When I was in music school, Vocalists were notorious for being the ones that flunk out first, as some could make it in with zero reading knowledge, but than crashes and burned when they needed to do more than listen.
Yeah!
Any chance of reactjng to the recent Rock Hall nominees Justin?
Are those Grado headphones?
Seriously amazing how he can name chords by ear. Genius .
It's the matter of ear training.
@@DenEz_TV I guess I think you have to be a bit gifted tho😊
@@suzirox6599 it's actually not that hard if you learn music all your life. I can hear chords too, it's not difficult.
@@DenEz_TV I was classically trained to read I think it sets you back when it comes to hearing chords. Wish I had learnt by ear
@@suzirox6599 Exactly! I had the jazz education, I know how classical dudes can't hear chords, I played with them in bands.. it seems to me this thing is international, because i'm from Russia. And we have the same problems:)
That was funny!
I was a backup singer in a band in the silent movie era. As soon as we had to make noises, I was out of the business.
Professionally recording/producing instruments and vocals for a hit song is an absolute art form. I am incapable of doing either. I'd like to think that the vocals are the icing on the cake after the drums and instruments are set in place. Experimenting with the vocals sounds like fun to me! NO?
I get what you're saying, and intuitively it makes sense to think of the instrumental tracks as "the cake", but in most cases the lead vocal is the focal point of the song (the reason there is a song for the band to play), rather than icing or fluff. I would argue that it's usually the other way around; the lead vocal IS "the cake". Obviously this isn't always the case, especially in predominantly instrumental genres like Orchestral, Classical and Jazz, or in Funk, African Hi Life, Disco, EDM etc, where rhythm and groove are king.
While an instrumental arrangement and hooks can sometimes be as important as the vocal, I'd say most songs can be interpreted in wildly different ways, with chords, harmonic structure, rhythm all changed, yet the essence of the song is preserved in melody and storytelling. I don't say this to diminish the importance of the rest of the band. As a multi-instrumentalist, arranger, producer and songwriter myself, I often feel my greatest sense of accomplishment as an arranger or as part of the rhythm section. That said, I bet that If you were to ask the average listener to sing you the guitar part, or bass line of their favorite song, most wouldn't be up to the task. That's because the majority of people immediately tune into lyrics, melody and emotive performance, while groove, syncopation, and harmony strive to serve and support the song.
Years ago I had put my guitar down after a series of re-occurring issues with life choices 1985 or so. Quite a few years later my sisters then husband tried getting me back into it to back up his singing. It wasn't that easy and I was having trouble bringing back the nuances and muscle memory that were so easy ages ago, he made an issue of thinking picking up singing was just as difficult as my trying to relearn the guitar. What an ass!
For me 'Songbird' by Christine Mc Vie is the best piece of singing of all time. the best take ever. it was done in one take, no comping, it took them trying all night to get the good one though, but thats the persperation that Seasons Inspiration.
I'm thinking Steve Perry outdoes Christine McVie vocally, as lovely as her singing and music is/was. Freddie Mercury probably does, as well, especially live, but also recorded. Bonnie Rait's studio version of "I Can't Make You Love Me" is superior, not so much vocally, but in evoking emotion. There are many songs that are vocally stronger or more evocative than Songbird, which is a beautiful song. Even the Beach Boys have better vocal performances recorded than Songbird. Brad Delp on Boston's first album? I dislike the man's character, but I cannot find fault with his singing on that first album, each performance was just impressive.
You might feel a very sentimental attachment, linked to the time and place when this song first came out, and what it meant to you, which is truly wonderful and not at all to be discounted. That is the magic music holds for many of us. It takes us right back to the feeling we had during that place and time.
Like you point out, they had to try all night long, over and over again, to get one good take they could use. The real test is can these vocalists deliver live when they tour, which is really hard to do night after night. Do they sound better...as good...hit and miss...or cringe-worthy when they perform. It's a huge strain on their vocal cords to perform at that level, night after night, and it requires rest, humidification, protection from the cold outdoor temps if performing outside in fall, or at altitude, and many other accommodations.
When you see a band live, and the vocalist is even better live than on the recording, that is when you stand there, slack-jawed at what a truly extraordinary vocal performer they are. Few can deliver that live.
@@le_th_ music is like food.
If jazz is your thing, the most talented contemporary female vocalist by a Universe or two is Hailey Reinhardt. Her cover of Creep or singing live with Jeff Goldblooms Jazz set are just unbelievably nuanced.
@@le_th_ I agree with most of what you say but nam still astounded by Christines take thank you for such a cool opinion.
@@supertuscans9512 Thanks for the tip I think one of musics real powers is the subjectivness of what is ''good' all the best.
Vocals n lyrics are it.
2 Legends
Thanks ...