WONKY CEILING Beam Scribing MAJIC - How to Get Perfect Fitting Scribes
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- In this video I take you along on a Saturday job where we fabricate and scribe in place some white oak box beams.
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Working alone makes Spencer very creative and being self reliant to not only get the job done but get it done well at the same time.
I’m self employed for my whole 45 years as a contractor and only on very rare occasions need help to meet my goal. Working alone gives your customers consistent finished results. I had employees here and there and it was more of a headache than it’s worth. I am going to retire in the next 18 months, I had a very prosperous career and think Spencer will even exceed me and it’s is WELL DESERVED.
I plan to keep in watching these videos as they are great, things are explained very well and really enjoy his creativity and how humble he is.
So LIKE and SUBSCRIBE, you’ll be glad you did.
I appreciate the kind words Clint. Glad to have you onboard.
This kid is good. Really into his work and craftsmanship. Learns from his mistakes. Practices good skills. This quality is so hard to come by these days. Finding a quality finish man like this is 1 in 500.
This guys no joke incredible
The shim idea is awesome how did I not think of that
Spencer, you’ve taught me so much. Thank you for being you! Purchased a Disto from the link. Love supporting your channel.
I appreciate that!
Thanks for taking the time to explain what you are doing in detail. It is much appreciated by us that don't know all the secrets. Keep up the good information coming.
Attention to detail and your passion for what you do and the joy you have doing this work really shows man! Hope your week is going great!
As Richard from Finish Carpentry TV might say, those beams definitely get the whistle of approval! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and tips and tricks on installs like this! That 46 degree trick with all the other tricks along with it is 🔥
Love your videos i watch you and finish carpentry both great blokes (dry sense of humour and both professional with your work) I have learned a lot from you both keep up the good work from the UK
Burnishing, a joiners beat friend
Awesome!!!!!! Thanks for another great video!
thanks for your vides, i usually use a big grip clamps and slide the piece through it to hold one end
Just the fact that you can pick up and move the large festool track quickly and continue on your same exact line doing a mitre is amazing..
Practice,practice,practice! The key to anything new you are trying to accomplish
Amazing techniques and workmanship. 13/16” is a huge gap. Many carpenters would use a molding to cover the gap. Taking the time to scribe it is above and beyond. Just ordered a Hock knife for scribing as the technique is perfect.
Tape and knife is next level scribing
A production carpenter in Columbus, OH.
I run a crew of of 4 guys, we typically trim 2 houses a week. Keep in mind...its production. Your homes seem higher end for sure. I would love to take a few days off and work with you for free. Experiencing your work environment and seeing your attention to detail would be great to experience. It would help me add to my crew. And may be something new to add to your channel. Just an 💡idea!
I like the fact you use a block plane to finish off the scribe, not everything can be done by machine, but an interesting combination of machine to do the majority and hand to finesse the end result.
I honestly dont know how you handle those lengths on your own. it looks so easy (but no way is it!)
LOL, so nice to get such a clear and concise video. Love it! Thanks.
Such great information. Thanks so much for sharing your process and tips. Super helpful.
Your level of detail is very encouraging. I would want you working on my house for sure.
Love your videos man.. helped me get better.
Just love the way you go about things. Hope your customers appreciate it
Amazing as usual spencer👍🏻 those scribe lines were something else, but must have looked good when finished as you always strive for perfection.
You mentioned working alone, and yes, I am amazed how easy you make it look, but after seeing you install that massive ceiling dome into the loft space, nothing surprises me anymore with you🤣🤣
Love your videos buddy!!!
Framers: Drywall will cover it. Spencer: Not so much.
I love your work man
Very good fine carpenter you are 👍👍👍
Using Lie Nielsen plane on the job site says apt about your skills. 🙏🏼🇨🇦
Dude your an artist with wood I’m happy to see young bucks like you still in the trade and a master at it also . Great work son🤙🏻
Lewis, great instruction on a true Hans “Solo” install. 6” PSA sticky backs on a 5.5x3x.75” MDF block with the front edge cut at 45 degrees. The sanding disc folded back over the front angle and the two long sq. edges has all but replaced my block plane and sanding with fingers,#220,150 & 80 grits. Spot on with 23ga pins and stain concept concealing holes!
I Like to use 1 ft. templates on vertical end scribes at walls with 1/2” ultralight MDF Sq edge then transfer to final work.
How do you bid this
More difficult and less fun than the actual carpentry
Thank you Spencer
Absolutely love your videos
Really nice music too
Great work. Nice choice with the white oak. Nothing like real wood.
I’m a trim Carpenter too and I love working by myself... I seem to get more done lol. Love your work
Great knowledge dropped in this video, thanks a ton
Spencer, get a small nap roller & tray and roll the glue on your mitres, way faster, way cleaner.
Super good points Lewis!
I really appreciate them. Bought a new construction home and the builder stopped offering trim work. Judges panels, chair rail, etc.
I have a small amount of wood working tools but enough to tackle small jobs. Your tips will make me a better apprentice trim wanna-be carpenter! 🤣
Please do not judge me harshly. 😉
A marking knife...why didn't I think of that? I've been using a bandsaw, block plane, tape and 3rd grade compass, lol. The knife will be next level!
I didn't think lazer measures would be reliable but took the plunge and brought a really good one and now I use it all the time, absolutely bang on and can do numerous other things too, Wish I'd got one sooner but just diddnt think they would work as well as they do
They work great between straight things
But man they can be to accurate when walls are bobbing in and out
Things end up short or long by as much as 1/4 sometimes
@@foreverknowforever6403 yeah know what you mean m8, they have a time and a place but not always
Amazing Workmanship on Another Level. Awesome Instructions start to finish. Great advice for shims (gap fillers) well done Spencer
Nioce!, just finished a 42" ridge beam today, just like that, ("cept 4 1/2 racks of scaffold up) nice looking work there Spencer!
We do a lot of beams like that here in the Des Moines area, we like to do a miter lock, but my story goes like this, we were installing some beams and while doing so we’ve always hung our guns on the corner of the Perry scaffold, one of our carpenters mistakenly put the gun on corner with trigger positioned to be fire if bumped, and that he did, put an 1 1/4” 18gauge brad nail deep into the muscle of his thigh, be safe!
In NYC we would float the ceiling straight to the mill work. PS: you are a talented dude.
Excellent instructions as usual but that's some great advice so keep the reveal the same throughout. Nice job 👍
No going to town on Friday night is probably key to the whole process too )
Once again Spencer top marks.
Hey Spencer, I'm a custom cabinetry installer and when we scribe, we use General Scribing Compass and a pressurized ink pen (writes at all angles including upside down) this way you save the time of ripping off all the tape and can just scribe down to the pen line. Thought it may save you some minutes on the job. Thanks for the videos!
Nice work, 40+ years and I can say a lot of my colleagues do not even know what a low block plane is.
Fantastic video, a wealth of information. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for this video! SO helpful!!
Always a must watch video...thanks again!
I’ve heard guys say “ just caulk and walk” not you, keep up the good work. 👍
Another very helpful and interesting video. Thanks fort king the time.
I really am blown away by the fact of how much work you do by yourself. It's amazing. Thank God for helping me find your Channel because I am learning a lot from your videos. Thank you so much for all your share and teach us, God bless you. I pray i gain some skills like you one day lol.
But I have a question for you regarding these beams and it's also a question regarding scribing in general. How do you know how much wider to make the side pieces of the beams before you scribe them, so that you do not lose too much material after you scribe? For example, if the finished size is supposed to be 5 inches wide, do you add one more inch to account for scribing? I always worry about scribing and losing too much material if a wall or ceiling is way too off.
I'm jealous man.. id love to scribe in some white oak beams like that. Wish I could come work with you Spencer
Dang...that scribe, I'm like is that drywall even screwed in .lol ..worst scribe I ever seen, would have me guessing if i screwed that up...but ..looks amazing as always Sir....
Brilliant channel!
Subscribed 👍
Mint explanation as always thank-you 👌
thx. Great technique.
Lol I keep lifting my head to try to see ahead of where you're planing 😂
I struggle to get a good mitre on a 6” box - he’s doing good mitres over 16’ 😂
Make sure your saw is square, material is flat against the fence and table. when making your cut make sure your not pushing sideways on the saw head. That's some basics anyways.
Hmm. Is your saw dialed in? What kind of blade? How old is it? Big box stores isn't the place to buy quality blade. What kind of tools do you have?
Glad my ceiling isn't the only sucky one with waves! Brand new house and pretty sad show of craftsmanship from a customer builder...I'm not located too far from you.
A block plane is a beautiful tool
That Festool is the shit!
fantastic work!! Hats off to you!!
Life before Bosch 12V Max Planer (Bare Tool) GHO12V-08N
There isn’t a better sound or way to get finish a scribe 👌👌
So happy for your growing success! I found you at around 8k subscribers.
When scribing hardwood to a wall/ceiling, how do you account for expansion and contraction? Have you encountered problems later where the scribed wood joints were affected by wood movement?
Thanks Spencer!
I don't feel that its much of a factor. Its nailed to the cleat. So it should stay pretty tight.
@@InsiderCarpentry Thanks for the reply!
Welcome back
Amazing
Nice work, especially for being a one man show. Hey Spencer, any chance you’d make a quick vid on your gluing technique, specifically on mitered box beams?
I’ve only used a track saw once. After seeing how well it worked here, I’m seriously considering putting one on my wish list.
Check out his channel, he has talked in depth about how he goes about beams. Looks at the miter fold videos
What gauge nails are you using to connect the mitered beams? I love this video, I cringed at how much of a beast this job is.
Love the shim trick! Maybe a pocket screw from the inside of the sides before capping the bottom would’ve helped
Definitely would have been a great option also. 👍👍
not sure how you maintained a consistent width from pieces you nailed up to accept bottom piece. looks like it worked. I would have built boxes in shop cut 45 on table saw then biscuit it together no nails , would probably use mini belt sander to do scribing . thanks
Another great video. Just curious. I seen you stacking and flipping the boards around. Did you mark the back to tell which one went where?
Yes, lots of grain matching, color matching, crown and cup noting, length finding...
Well done.
Love the shim idea. About the irregular ceiling: did you discuss with prime/site supervisor (or whoever) to decide whether to refloat before continuing with beam installation?
As a high end custom GC myself, I can say that floating out a ceiling with 5/8” discrepancies would be wildly impractical and expensive. Ceilings can not be floated flat over long spans like concrete. The easiest fix is at the framing stage. Scribing is the most cost effective given that this is a remodel project
For us it depends on who is doing the install. If our A crew is doing the install then it is easier and cheaper to let them scribe. If it is one of our others then typically we recommend they get ceiling floated. Those scribes typically come out cleaner however because they drywall guys still don’t get it anywhere near where it needs to be
I was given a heads up that it was bad. But you don't really appreciate just how bad it is until you see a cut scribe. LOL
@@MrAdamdumont89 This. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure I believe is the way the saying goes.
If I’m right the way to get these sitting flush with other boards is to scribe first then rip them down to size ?
Curious if you could/would just miter fold the boards after scribing. I'm guessing they would have been difficult to handle at that length. Good stuff man, I am envious of the skill.
Yep. Would have been unwieldy and hard on the old shoulders. LOL
New t-shirt: Always make sure to wipe the blood off your block plane.
Some beams you assemble on the ground and then put them up others you assemble on the ceiling peice by peice. What determines each way of doing it and what do you do most or whats better easier.
my question is? Is there a reason why those box beams aren't flush when you join thise 2 together, it looks like it's almost an 1 shorter than the others? is it preference? is it because the ceiling is waive and so if you where using a 1x8 once you scribe the board it then wouldn't be the same length? I mean obviously you could haide does gaps with crown if the customer wants crown but obviously this is oak? Great job man as always!!
I have a question. When you scribe your beams you end up taking off how ever much off. By doing this you shorten your beam. How do you deal with this when butting into another beam. Example: say one beam Is 7 1/2 inches from the ceiling and the beam that buts into it has to be scribed so you take an half in off in now its 7 inches. How do you deal with that?
That's why he found the biggest gap, which was 13/16 and took that much off all of them.
I thought he said the reveal was gonna be 5/16 but then he removed 13/16. Or was that taken into account before the heights were decided. Like what if the worst spot was an inch and you didn't want that large of reveals do you just have to leave the height long and figure out the biggest dip before cut the heights?
@@mattgardner1972 I have the same question. I don’t understand.
@@jeremymccook742 I understand that part but let's say you have one beam all ready set ok? And let's say that beam measures out to 7 1/2 inches finished. Now you have a beam that butts up to the beam that's already set. And you have to take say 3/8 off it because they ceiling is out. Now you have a beam that's 7 1/8 butting up to a beam that's 7 1/2. If that makes sense. I'm speaking on were the two beams meet if one is a
different size the won't flush at the bottem.
you are good😀
I always try to leave to a little blood on the job site as well 😮
Check your nail gun for nails after each board you nail on the ceiling. My father in law had beams installed just like this. The bottom board facing the floor fell down about 3 months later almost hitting my mother in law in the head. Ceilings are 12' high-quality could have liked her. We looked at the vertical boards, we could see nail holes from the nail gun. Being a wood worker I think what happen is the fireplace was on for several weeks and dried the wood shrinking it allowing it to fall. The nail gun ran out of nails before that piece was installed. If there was 1 or 2 nails in it, it probably would have never fallen. Save yourself a lawsuit or rework and check the nail gun before or after each beam to make sure nails went into the wood. If nail gun is out of nails, load it up and put more nails in the wood, it will save your butt.
Glue helps too… 😳😳😳😬😬😬 Yikes! Glad no one was hurt.
Wow!
I never saw finished rock that bad in a new or a old house for that matter… you can’t really blame the rockers (unless they didn’t bring it to the owners attention)… The tapers probably did what they could, but they also should have brought it to the owners attention.
I would have to blame the framers… I don’t know how they could have messed it up that bad unless it’s just really super bad lumber, but again it should have been brought to the owners attention…
- If this is a two story house, I’d like to see the upstairs floor, you could probably use like a skate park…
-by the way I’ve framed houses for over 20 years… hundreds of them, several developments along with many custom homes
Agreed. No excuse for that giant wave in the ceiling with all of the lasers and, hell, even a string available.
Gotta be the framers. I can't begin to think of what they did tho. With this being new construction, it's highly unlikely they used dimensional lumber. Engineered floor trusses or joists are nice and straight, where do those speed bumps come from?
said the framer to the other framer, "drywaller will fix it"
I sub scribed. 😊
Is there a reason you didn't you cut the 46° edges before scribing? Great video👍
Much safer to wait.
Any tips on how to avoid the glue squeeze out soaking into the wood? I've had issues with it not staining the same. I've tried stainable glue, wet rags, if anything it seems like it just rubs it in more
Hasn’t been an issue for me with TB 1 and 120 grit sanding.
Always be sure to wipe off your blood from your planer. Very important stuff.
Only 13/16"? Just squirt some of that brown caulk in there and call it good, man!
Also, before turning to carpentry, etc., I was a solo drywall hanger. Where there's a will, there's a way.
Nice work on the beams.
Nice shim trick. Does it produce a dark line once stained or is just such a small area the eye doesn't catch it?
Eye doesn't catch it. Especially after stain.
After you've scribed one side, how do you know how much to take off the other side so that the bottom attaches squarely?
nice
Great beam work!
I’m curious if you find it necessary to charge a premium for installing beams like this vs other scenarios you install? Not sure if you’re a cost plus, or bid every section of the job separately kind of guy.
But it seems like between being on the ceiling and having to scribe fit & re-fit, and fit again, massive lengths like this just to assemble the product, it would be a bit of a premium (cost wise) process for the customer then many other areas of a house on the walls and stairs?
I gave a fixed price of $5600 for labor on that ceiling. I felt it was fair. I'd say I make out decent considering I'm doing a two man job by myself.
@@InsiderCarpentry Thanks for the quick reply!
Would you consider that kind of beam work a premium product/service as far as the kind of work you typically offer?
I figure just the fact it’s against the ceiling really starts to weed out the hacks in the industry if you want quality work done.
It definitely is but I’m terms of my pricing I don’t really treat it differently aside from the fact that I’m definitely not working overhead all week and not make as least decent money. Not worth the wear and tear on the body.
@@InsiderCarpentry it’s always interesting to hear how people treat their pay structure for custom trim and millwork like that.
4:48 Spencer - after doing the scribing how do you determine the rip width, so as to provide a consistent reveal with the crossbeam? In the video you say "I'll mark about 1/16 to 1/8" offset". But at 0:24 you show one board with a 5/8" gap at the crossbeam. In reference to the bottom of the crossbeam, the bottom of that end of that board is going to be 5/8" higher than where it was before scribing. At some point, do you put a reference mark on the end of the boards, a set distance up from the bottom of the cross beams? (to determine a consistent crossbeam reveal)
13/16 was your biggest cap on both beam? so you removed that from both so they would be at the same height?
Damn... Framers really did a number on that house.
This is what I don't like what's happening in the industry. Lots of production framing crews. Can they frame sure... Can they frame level and plumb? No! It's so annoying to have to tile walls or install a shower door with floor 1/2 off on 42" floor. So Leveling it... You can see a huge gap on bottom. Come on framers... Pick it up a little...
Set all ur joists crown up! This man had to scribe the ocean on his beams come on!
I’ve never seen anyone scribe with a track saw particularly when it’s irregular and wavy, I use a jigsaw at a 5 degree angle. Before accurate jigsaws it was a hand panel saw 😉
I just get it decently close with a track saw. Follow up with a block plane.
Yes I see how you do it, just saying I’ve never seen a track saw being used I just cut to my line with a jigsaw and job done it’s just personal preferences. Keep up the good work 😉