I had this very position in a tournament just last week. I announced mate in 130 and my opponent said, "I was wondering if you'd see that." and he immediately resigned.
I am somewhat skeptical about the possibility of that board appearing in a real game. there are at least 13 pawn captures out of the 14 total captures for black's position. and all of those must be in the correct direction. not to mention the queen capture by white and the promotion of one of the center pawns so the game probably needs to be played with the specific intention of reaching this position and even that would be nerve-wreckingly difficult.
Imagine you’re playing, everything is fine, you got lots of material advantages, then your opponent just says “Looks like someone blundered a mate in 130”
I've been counting 125 moves too. I think it would've been record setting if the pawn a5 started on a6, another pawn move, another run of the 5 move maneuver.
holy fucking shit dude this is so amazing and has helped me to win against my 7 year old brother who started to play chess and we had this exact position and i told him there's a mate in 130 moves but he didnt believe it so we took the time to play the 130 move sequence and it was such a huge victory that he went crying to my mom
This exact same position occurred when i played one of my friend we agreed to a draw because i calculated 129 move but not the last one ...ah good old days
I think I've seen a study with a 500 something forced checkmate, because instead of being like a 6 move sequence for zugzavang like it was here, I think it was like 20 or something. Great video!
@@GardenChess I don't think you read the comment I was replying to. They are talking about the "mate in 549" which is a mate prevented by the 50 move rule
Your videos are so creative! I feel like you're the only chess youtuber out there constantly thinking of new video concepts instead of doing the same thing over and over. Keep up the amazing work!
The black pawns need 13 captures to get to the sides like that. 12 of the 14 missing white pieces had to be taken by pawns to help them reach the side, the c and d pawns can't be taken in a way that helps so one of those white pawns must actually have promoted and the promoted piece taken by a black pawn to give the 13th capture necessary. History doesn't record what happened to the final lone white pawn....
@@violetasuklevska9074 good point forgot black was missing a couple of pieces as well! I think both of the black pieces would need to have been taken by white pawns in order to either move two of them across one file or one across two files to position them to enable blacks pawns to get where they need to go, but as you say that is another possibility.
In chess class, I was winning against my chess teacher as black with a forced mate in 49, but I thought it was a draw so we agreed on it and analized the position and there was a forced mate in 249!! With only one pawn left in the game that was 4 squares till promotion and had to move every 50 moves to avoid a draw. Tablebase is one of a kind
That's nothing compared to the mate in one million moves I recently saw in a blindfold simultan against the other 500 children in my kindergarten. I could easily calculate a million moves, but both my opponent and me agreed to a draw, because it would have taken too long for us to play so many moves. Regardless I am very proud I have seen the mate in one million moves even when playing blind. That might make me the strongest calculator in this comment section.
fascinating study! speaking of "the computer can't see that it's forced in 130" about how far out can they see? I'm having a little difficulty understanding why if I analyze a game it says for example white +8, yet it's not a forced checkmate yet? thanks to anyone who can clear this up for me
Hello, I have made a chess engine so maybe I can try to explain. Chess engines have a limited range for how far they can see because the number of possible positions grows exponentially. Looking 130 moves ahead would require looking through too many positions. Because an engine cannot look ahead an infinite number of moves, the engine must use an algorithm to guess how good future positions are to determine the best move. The evaluation of a position such as +8 or -4 is the engine’s estimation of how good the future position will be assuming the best moves from each side up to a certain depth. Chess engines will say forced mate exists only if every response by one side always will lead to an eventual checkmate. Because the engine cannot look ahead 130 moves, the engine cannot assert that forced mate exists. Eventually, the chess engine will detect the mate. For Stockfish, this is probably around 20 moves away from checkmate. If you have an interest in building or understanding chess engines, I encourage you to take a look at the Chess Programming Wiki. It is a very useful and informative resource and it may help you understand how engines work if my explanation was insufficient or confusing.
Thanks for the tutorial, I always get into a position with only my queen when the opponent has all his pawns on one file, but now I know how I can win from such a position!
He's probably making a joke though (on your defense you're probably making a joke) , but on my side though I'm actually just making a joke about you sounding so serious (actually more like sarcastic, but also probably a joke too) to a guy that's probably making a joke @@sanlikestea
I don't know if you're familiar with Shogi, but in Shogi there are many famous mate compositions that are dozens, even hundreds of moves long. In fact, the longest mate composition is over 1500 moves long (more than 750 moves each side, in shogi each ply is counted as a move), but there are many compositions that go to the hundreds. I know chess has some fairly long checkmate sequences found in tablebases, but the shogi compositions are usually created by composers and include a lot of pieces. They're often very thematic as well, is really beautiful. You can find many of those puzzles at Hidetchi's channel on UA-cam.
To everyone who thinks a forced mate in 130 is unrealistic: remember that a drunk Magnus Carlsen may appear and play against you and after your first move (he will let you play as white) he already has a checkmate in 130: he could checkmate you early but since is drunk he will treat you as his food and make you waste 129 more moves before ending the game.
Well, even though such a position will never occur in practice, some of the ideas might well, which is the reason grandmasters have solved hundreds of strange puzzles like this. The mian repeating manouver here actually reminds me of some common manouvers in the endgame queen vs rook. Those "micromates" are very common.
Nelson I'd really appreciate it if you would credit the creators of these studies. AFAICT the study was composed by "J. Halumbirek 1955 (after O. Blathy)" given by CCC archives
Subject: Here are seven more ... Author: Jim Monaghan Date: 05:46:42 09/23/03 Go up one level in this thread Hi Uri, Here are nine of the longest compositions ever. Two of them (1 and 6) are ones you have quoted. Note that number 4 has the longest solution. N. Petrovic 1969 (after J. Babson), 271 moves, Bb1 8/Bk3p1p/1P3p2/KP2n2p/1P1p4/1Pp2p2/B1P5/7B w - - 0 1 O. Blathy, 127 moves, Qe1+ 8/7p/7p/p4n1p/b3Q2p/K2p3p/p1r5/rk5n w - - 0 1 O. Blathy 1929, 290 moves, Rd1+ bBrb1B2/P1n1r2p/1Kp1Pb1p/2pk1P1p/5P2/1P2pP2/1pP1P3/1R4n1 w - - 0 1 O. Blathy 1889, 292 moves, Qd7+ q5nn/1p2p3/p1k1P1p1/6Pp/PKp1p1pP/8/2P1P1PP/3Q4 w - - 0 1 L. Neweklowsky, 267 moves, Qxf6+ 1N1B3Q/1RK1b3/5q2/8/6n1/8/4Nnrp/1R3Brk w - - 0 1 W. Jorgensen 1976, 200 moves, Qe6+ 6n1/p1BN3b/p1p3np/p1p3pq/6kr/K1P2r1p/2PPQ3/8 w - - 0 1 J. Babson 1913, 141 moves, Qc5+ q4b2/1pk1pPp1/p3P1P1/P4p1p/1p3P2/1p6/3K1Q1P/8 w - - 0 1 J. Halumbirek 1955 (after O. Blathy), 130 moves, Qd1+ 8/p6p/7p/p6p/b2Q3p/K6p/p1r5/rk3n1n w - - 0 1 O. Blathy 1890, 210 moves, Bd1 rBb5/P2p4/P2Ppp1p/1B1p1p1B/2prn3/KRnk4/3p4/b4N1N w - - 0 1 Cheers, Jim
I've seen that sort of thing. Played a guy once who was apparently bad at the opening game/midgame. You'd dominate him and take all his pieces til he's down to one or two pieces aside from the King while you still have most of yours. ...Then he just destroys you and wins and it was honestly impressive to see every time.
Stockfish actually does know, it is a draw, you don't play a6 first, you move your other pawns first, and then when your last pawn is about to promote, you play a6, which stockfish deems a brilliant move and then it's a draw
0:23 stockfish can acually see that far i have seen a few times that its checkmate in idk 200 moves or something but every single time that i saw that stockfish saw a faster checkmate after a few sec
Stockfish realized what was going on when there was only 66 moves left until mate, it detected mate in 66, imagine seeing “m66” pop up on the evaluation bar
@@vinesthemonkey Like just think about it if its a 7 piece tablebase endgame and all 5 pieces other than the kings are pawns, you could stall to 250 moves (50 moves per pawn). So no.
I was able to solve this after a while(a few hours... 10), thanks to some of your other lessons, though it is quite amusing seeing a *specific chess friend of mine* having no idea how to solve it Thanks a lot!
@@kujklokp ... legit as soon as i saw the "mate in 130" i knew it was something with forcing the opponent to play a bad move, then it was just a matter of finding it
@@trollar8810 Mate in any number indicates that you force your opponent to make bad moves bro, that's why it is called "forced mate" Doesn't matter if it's Mate in 2 or mate in 965
I am not sure how but I arrived at this exact position against 4 2000 elo players today and I earned a lot of easy wins because of this video so for that I thank you
O.T. Blathy composed a few checkmate problems that are even longer, and there is a theoretical ending which takes more than 500 moves to win with perfect play.
7:04 -- well, technically, it *DOES* matter WHERE exactly the bishop moves to... If it moves to *b3* , then you have to do an extra round of ring-around-the-rosie, and then checkmate with queen *FROM d1 to b3* MATE #. So that's *138 moves total* , NOT "130" ... :P .
Finally, a worthy opponent for that one puzzle where black has a mountain of pieces but can only move the king back and forth while white only has a pawn.
This reminds me of a Robert Abbott maze, where the solution involves making the same moves seemingly over and over, but each iteration is just slightly different enough that you eventually leave the pattern to exit the maze.
As memey as this, there actually is a real and sometimes important chess concept here. The concept of "triangulation", where if you end up in a position where it's your move, but if it were your opponent's move, they'd be in zugzwang. You make a series of moves that results in the original position being repeated, but with it being your opponent's move. I learned this from Waitzkin's games that were uploaded to chessmaster, in his game against Matthew Bengston, in the bishop endgames section.
lol, u got me, "very crutial, very common techniche..." I was like: "wtf is he smoking? to even get the pawns like that is nearly impossible, let alone all the rest"
I had this very position in a tournament just last week. I announced mate in 130 and my opponent said, "I was wondering if you'd see that." and he immediately resigned.
I am somewhat skeptical about the possibility of that board appearing in a real game. there are at least 13 pawn captures out of the 14 total captures for black's position. and all of those must be in the correct direction.
not to mention the queen capture by white and the promotion of one of the center pawns so the game probably needs to be played with the specific intention of reaching this position and even that would be nerve-wreckingly difficult.
@@dimanarinull9122 dude the comment is a joke
@@Loogyy so is the reply you replied to
your a ultra gm bro
@@yuridapted7459 I don’t think a reverse woooosh is a thing…
POV: You made one slight mistake and the GM you're playing against mates you in 130 moves.
its you.... ok
one slight mistake of lining up 5 pawns on h
@@proudzerzurancitizen Just a teeny tiny little whoopsie daisy
This stuff dont happen from one small mistake ;-; the player is in need of jesus if they manage to put themselves into this position
@@viktoraxa8963 Jesus can't even save you from this position
Stockfish: 1 missed win
The missed win:
Ha
Fr
In another Dimension on Fichess :
Chess vibes : You missed a win
The win:
This brings me back to the time when I had this EXACT situation with my father, that was one heck of an unforgettable game
me too but after i win in 130 moves my father went to buy milk
bro whatt😭@@fthenri
I don't understand the joke / reference... :O
@@kurzackd the joke is that nobody would actually come across this position, so that's why people are making jokes
Is this possible
Imagine you’re playing, everything is fine, you got lots of material advantages, then your opponent just says “Looks like someone blundered a mate in 130”
Imagine playing chess and *m130* appearing on the evaluation bar.
Imagine playing chess and using engine to cheat
Edit: my comment was a joke too
@@Funnyguy127 i dont think that's what he was saying. calm down.
As he said, stockfish can't even figure it out
@@vincehomoki1612 yea but he was just joking
"Missed win"
Damn I only saw first 125 moves
Come on, don't lie.
We all know you are Alphazero trying to be humble, we all know you saw it.
Damn I was one move away 😥
@@gsas3012 Ever heard of a joke?
@@gsas3012 u couldn’t even tell that was sarcasm lol
I've been counting 125 moves too. I think it would've been record setting if the pawn a5 started on a6, another pawn move, another run of the 5 move maneuver.
Just had this position in rapid yesterday. Obviously, I found the right move, but then lost on time, no bonus seconds.
Fanny
Gotta work on the premoves man
this is a simple checkmate pattern just premove
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@@andysmith3737 wow lol
holy fucking shit dude this is so amazing and has helped me to win against my 7 year old brother who started to play chess and we had this exact position and i told him there's a mate in 130 moves but he didnt believe it so we took the time to play the 130 move sequence and it was such a huge victory that he went crying to my mom
Stop lying. Stop.
That's great man i was only able to find 127 moves but you manged it your mom would be so proud of you
@@abcdefgasdfg you're OP's brother aren't you
@@abcdefgasdfg r/woooosh
@@abcdefgasdfg okay I eating milk. thank you for your wise words of wisdom
if you can't remember the checkmate in 130, Qb2+ results in a forced stalemate after Rxb2
the bishop is unguarded
New puzzle idea: try to find a sequence of moves that leads to this starting position.
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that must be really fun actually
was thinking the same thing
Seriously :is that possible? Then this would be the longest game ever with a forced checkmate
On it
1. h4 Nc6 2. h5 Nb8 3. h6 gxh6 4. g4 Nc6 5. g5 Nb8 6. g6 fxg6 7. f4 Nc6 8. f5 Nb8 9. f6 exf6 10. e4 Nc6 11. e5 Nb8 12. e6 dxe6 13. Rh5 gxh5 14. Nh3 Nc6 15. Ng5 fxg5 16. a4 Nb8 17. a5 Nc6 18. a6 bxa6 19. b4 Nb8 20. b5 Nc6 21. b6 cxb6 22. Ra5 bxa5 23. d3 Qf6 24. d4 Qf4 25. Bxf4 Kd7 26. Bg3 Nb4 27. Bh4 gxh4 28. d5 Kc7 29. d6+ Kc6 30. d7 Kc5 31. d8=Q Nd3+ 32. Kd2 Kb4 33. Bh3 Be7 34. Qxe7+ Ka4 35. Bf5 exf5 36. Qg7 Nf6 37. Qgg4+ fxg4 38. Nc3+ Ka3 39. Ne4 Bd7 40. Nf2 Ba4 41. Nh3 gxh3 42. Qg4 Nf2 43. Qd4 N6g4 44. Kc1 Bxc2 45. Kd2 Ba4 46. Qd5 Nh1 47. Kc3 Nh2 48. Kd2 Nf1+ 49. Kc3 Rab8 50. Kd3 Rb1 51. Kc3 Ra1 52. Kc4 Bc2 53. Kd4 Kb2 54. Kc4 a4 55. Kd4 a3 56. Kc4 a2 57. Kb4 Kb1 58. Ka3 a5 59. Qd4 Ba4 60. Qd3+ Kc1 61. Qd7 Kb1 62. Qd6 Rc8 63. Qd5 Rc2 64. Qe4 Ne3 65. Qd4 Nf1
I'm more impressed at how the existence of one extra rook turns a mate in 1 into a mate in 130
haha
lmaoo
Rook needs a nerf
Takes an absolute madlad to put their rook in front of a literal column of pawns too lol
add another rook
This exact same position occurred when i played one of my friend we agreed to a draw because i calculated 129 move but not the last one ...ah good old days
Stop lying bro no one believes you
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dang, I always forfeit when I end up in this position! I’ll have to write this on my arm next time so I know what to do next time it happens.
Someday in the future, when computers will be stronger, the computer will announce, in a middlegame position, mate in 300 moves.
I’m so glad you made this video! I’ve always hated getting this position in game, but now I know what to do.
This pawn structure can in theory be achieved by sacrificing 13 pieces and white has lost 14, just saying.
But don’t forget white lost 8 pawns that could have somehow promoted. With the 4 minor pieces and 2 rooks..
The real puzzle here is both players trying to legally come into this position
@@Lagger625 The credit is not mine, but here is the solution:
1. h4 Nc6 2. h5 Nb8 3. h6 gxh6 4. g4 Nc6 5. g5 Nb8 6. g6 fxg6 7. f4 Nc6 8. f5 Nb8 9. f6 exf6 10. e4 Nc6 11. e5 Nb8 12. e6 dxe6 13. Rh5 gxh5 14. Nh3 Nc6 15. Ng5 fxg5 16. a4 Nb8 17. a5 Nc6 18. a6 bxa6 19. b4 Nb8 20. b5 Nc6 21. b6 cxb6 22. Ra5 bxa5 23. d3 Qf6 24. d4 Qf4 25. Bxf4 Kd7 26. Bg3 Nb4 27. Bh4 gxh4 28. d5 Kc7 29. d6+ Kc6 30. d7 Kc5 31. d8=Q Nd3+ 32. Kd2 Kb4 33. Bh3 Be7 34. Qxe7+ Ka4 35. Bf5 exf5 36. Qg7 Nf6 37. Qgg4+ fxg4 38. Nc3+ Ka3 39. Ne4 Bd7 40. Nf2 Ba4 41. Nh3 gxh3 42. Qg4 Nf2 43. Qd4 N6g4 44. Kc1 Bxc2 45. Kd2 Ba4 46. Qd5 Nh1 47. Kc3 Nh2 48. Kd2 Nf1+ 49. Kc3 Rab8 50. Kd3 Rb1 51. Kc3 Ra1 52. Kc4 Bc2 53. Kd4 Kb2 54. Kc4 a4 55. Kd4 a3 56. Kc4 a2 57. Kb4 Kb1 58. Ka3 a5 59. Qd4 Ba4 60. Qd3+ Kc1 61. Qd7 Kb1 62. Qd6 Rc8 63. Qd5 Rc2 64. Qe4 Ne3 65. Qd4 Nf1
@@Lagger625 Not really a hard puzzle tho, just tedious
The Pentapawn in the right side wouldnt happen ever imo.
yea dude, totally gonna find this position my normal game
It's still theory.
Lol, even 3200 Stockfish just threefolds.
y i usual have this postioin like every 2 games from 5, common and standard as hell)
@@ИванПетров-ж7э lol
Man, Yesterday I had this position, and I yelled "It's 130 Time"
5:55 watch it with your eyes closed lol
Omg 😭😭
Nah😂😂
What?
🤣
funniest comment of all time 🤣
Hikaru be premoving the entire sequence
"Thats so easy chat, how did he not see it?" 😂
I think I've seen a study with a 500 something forced checkmate, because instead of being like a 6 move sequence for zugzavang like it was here, I think it was like 20 or something. Great video!
Those forced checkmates are prevented by the 50 move rule
@-Zelda- studies usually are made ignoring that rule
@@GardenChess usually not*
Also if you even watched the video you would’ve seen pawns moved which reset the 50 move rule
@@GardenChess I don't think you read the comment I was replying to. They are talking about the "mate in 549" which is a mate prevented by the 50 move rule
Just had this position, nice common idea!
😂
Chess master: I see force mate in 130 moves
Me: ouch! I do NOT see mate in 1
You elo 10 me elo 529
My elo 1800 idiots
@@ckv1985me elo 2000
@@ckv1985 slide ur user and 1v1 me if ur so good
woah ckv is so sigma!!
Движок: Потерян форсированный мат.
Также форсированный мат:
When stockfish say you miss a checkmate :
WOW, I would totally see that position in my game !!!
I actually had a position like this in my game, except I had a pawn instead of a queen
y i usual have this postioin like every 2 games from 5, common and standard as hell)
@@boevoikrikun lol
Your videos are so creative! I feel like you're the only chess youtuber out there constantly thinking of new video concepts instead of doing the same thing over and over. Keep up the amazing work!
Chess simp?
Next I want a study on how on earth a pawn file like that can actually get created in the first place
The black pawns need 13 captures to get to the sides like that. 12 of the 14 missing white pieces had to be taken by pawns to help them reach the side, the c and d pawns can't be taken in a way that helps so one of those white pawns must actually have promoted and the promoted piece taken by a black pawn to give the 13th capture necessary. History doesn't record what happened to the final lone white pawn....
@@mattc3581 They didn't have to be promoted they could have captured the queen or darksquare bishop to change the file they were on
@@violetasuklevska9074 good point forgot black was missing a couple of pieces as well! I think both of the black pieces would need to have been taken by white pawns in order to either move two of them across one file or one across two files to position them to enable blacks pawns to get where they need to go, but as you say that is another possibility.
this checkmate kinda feels like solving a rubik's cube
When you're at 1hp but your crush is watching:
In chess class, I was winning against my chess teacher as black with a forced mate in 49, but I thought it was a draw so we agreed on it and analized the position and there was a forced mate in 249!! With only one pawn left in the game that was 4 squares till promotion and had to move every 50 moves to avoid a draw.
Tablebase is one of a kind
If you have a link for it it would be cool to share so others can see it!
That's nothing compared to the mate in one million moves I recently saw in a blindfold simultan against the other 500 children in my kindergarten. I could easily calculate a million moves, but both my opponent and me agreed to a draw, because it would have taken too long for us to play so many moves. Regardless I am very proud I have seen the mate in one million moves even when playing blind. That might make me the strongest calculator in this comment section.
@@MarbleManiaNo1🤓
You… analized..?
@@mile.9768 yeah buddy
fascinating study! speaking of "the computer can't see that it's forced in 130" about how far out can they see? I'm having a little difficulty understanding why if I analyze a game it says for example white +8, yet it's not a forced checkmate yet? thanks to anyone who can clear this up for me
How +8 means there's forced checkmate
I don't think the engine has 130 depth.
@@onethegogd5783 if there is a checkmate it just says M any number
@@kirillzakharov7336 thats what I'm saying huh
Hello, I have made a chess engine so maybe I can try to explain.
Chess engines have a limited range for how far they can see because the number of possible positions grows exponentially. Looking 130 moves ahead would require looking through too many positions. Because an engine cannot look ahead an infinite number of moves, the engine must use an algorithm to guess how good future positions are to determine the best move. The evaluation of a position such as +8 or -4 is the engine’s estimation of how good the future position will be assuming the best moves from each side up to a certain depth. Chess engines will say forced mate exists only if every response by one side always will lead to an eventual checkmate. Because the engine cannot look ahead 130 moves, the engine cannot assert that forced mate exists. Eventually, the chess engine will detect the mate. For Stockfish, this is probably around 20 moves away from checkmate.
If you have an interest in building or understanding chess engines, I encourage you to take a look at the Chess Programming Wiki. It is a very useful and informative resource and it may help you understand how engines work if my explanation was insufficient or confusing.
Thanks for the tutorial, I always get into a position with only my queen when the opponent has all his pawns on one file, but now I know how I can win from such a position!
7:25 Me 1462 elo player thought why Black's a2 pawn not take queen ? 🤔
you're 1462 and you don't know why a pawn isn't able to capture backwards, congrats.
@@sanlikestea😂😂😂😂😂😂
He's probably making a joke though (on your defense you're probably making a joke) , but on my side though I'm actually just making a joke about you sounding so serious (actually more like sarcastic, but also probably a joke too) to a guy that's probably making a joke
@@sanlikestea
Good one
@@Deleted-User12535
really hate when I end up in this position in games, but thanks to this video I know what to do. Thanks Chess Vibes.
I don't know if you're familiar with Shogi, but in Shogi there are many famous mate compositions that are dozens, even hundreds of moves long. In fact, the longest mate composition is over 1500 moves long (more than 750 moves each side, in shogi each ply is counted as a move), but there are many compositions that go to the hundreds. I know chess has some fairly long checkmate sequences found in tablebases, but the shogi compositions are usually created by composers and include a lot of pieces. They're often very thematic as well, is really beautiful. You can find many of those puzzles at Hidetchi's channel on UA-cam.
To everyone who thinks a forced mate in 130 is unrealistic: remember that a drunk Magnus Carlsen may appear and play against you and after your first move (he will let you play as white) he already has a checkmate in 130: he could checkmate you early but since is drunk he will treat you as his food and make you waste 129 more moves before ending the game.
Well, even though such a position will never occur in practice, some of the ideas might well, which is the reason grandmasters have solved hundreds of strange puzzles like this. The mian repeating manouver here actually reminds me of some common manouvers in the endgame queen vs rook. Those "micromates" are very common.
Yesterday I was playing a game that I had to do a lot of those queen’s dance moves, it was very counter intuitive when I started playing chess
What GMs see when they resign in the midgame:
stockfish: missed win
the missed win:
I have seen O.T. Bláthy - Cyril Banderier Checkmate in 290 moves., 1929 and some other over 200 moves checkmates
If they're forced in 290, I'd like to see them.
@@wiscorpio72 Blathy is well known for these problems. Just search "Blathy mate in 290".
@@mnemosy thanks
oh thx for this technique, an hour after watching this video I found myself in a situation precisely like this one and I preceded to win, thx again
jokes aside, this study was actually informative, at least the part of capturing the knights with check
Theorem : every chess game is forced mate in finite moves.
I'd love to see the puzzle of getting all the pawns into those positions that sounds tricky.
Nelson I'd really appreciate it if you would credit the creators of these studies.
AFAICT the study was composed by "J. Halumbirek 1955 (after O. Blathy)" given by CCC archives
Subject: Here are seven more ...
Author: Jim Monaghan
Date: 05:46:42 09/23/03
Go up one level in this thread
Hi Uri,
Here are nine of the longest compositions ever. Two of them (1 and 6) are ones
you have quoted. Note that number 4 has the longest solution.
N. Petrovic 1969 (after J. Babson), 271 moves, Bb1
8/Bk3p1p/1P3p2/KP2n2p/1P1p4/1Pp2p2/B1P5/7B w - - 0 1
O. Blathy, 127 moves, Qe1+
8/7p/7p/p4n1p/b3Q2p/K2p3p/p1r5/rk5n w - - 0 1
O. Blathy 1929, 290 moves, Rd1+
bBrb1B2/P1n1r2p/1Kp1Pb1p/2pk1P1p/5P2/1P2pP2/1pP1P3/1R4n1 w - - 0 1
O. Blathy 1889, 292 moves, Qd7+
q5nn/1p2p3/p1k1P1p1/6Pp/PKp1p1pP/8/2P1P1PP/3Q4 w - - 0 1
L. Neweklowsky, 267 moves, Qxf6+
1N1B3Q/1RK1b3/5q2/8/6n1/8/4Nnrp/1R3Brk w - - 0 1
W. Jorgensen 1976, 200 moves, Qe6+
6n1/p1BN3b/p1p3np/p1p3pq/6kr/K1P2r1p/2PPQ3/8 w - - 0 1
J. Babson 1913, 141 moves, Qc5+
q4b2/1pk1pPp1/p3P1P1/P4p1p/1p3P2/1p6/3K1Q1P/8 w - - 0 1
J. Halumbirek 1955 (after O. Blathy), 130 moves, Qd1+
8/p6p/7p/p6p/b2Q3p/K6p/p1r5/rk3n1n w - - 0 1
O. Blathy 1890, 210 moves, Bd1
rBb5/P2p4/P2Ppp1p/1B1p1p1B/2prn3/KRnk4/3p4/b4N1N w - - 0 1
Cheers,
Jim
I've seen that sort of thing. Played a guy once who was apparently bad at the opening game/midgame. You'd dominate him and take all his pieces til he's down to one or two pieces aside from the King while you still have most of yours. ...Then he just destroys you and wins and it was honestly impressive to see every time.
0:01 hello timed user
hello
hi notahuman25
Stockfish explaining you the blunder be like :
Stockfish: You missed an easy checkmate
The mate:
Pretty incredible, I love these videos of crazy puzzles
Stockfish actually does know, it is a draw, you don't play a6 first, you move your other pawns first, and then when your last pawn is about to promote, you play a6, which stockfish deems a brilliant move and then it's a draw
this takes "Dont hold the same piece twice" to a whole another level
0:23 stockfish can acually see that far i have seen a few times that its checkmate in idk 200 moves or something but every single time that i saw that stockfish saw a faster checkmate after a few sec
Stockfish has a depth of 20
Stockfish had black getting 5 brilliants, and every move that leads to the last pawns promoting is a blunder
This is the most impressive sequence I’ve ever seen, thanks again Nelson!
7:33 no wayy I'll be playing this position anytime soon. I'd simply resign lol
The position isn’t possible in a real chess game. He was joking.
@@MaskOfCinder theoretically it can be done.
PGN: (most optimized that I could do)
[Event "Not a Casual Game"]
[Site "no"]
[Date "no"]
[White "no"]
[Black "no"]
[Result "no"]
[PlyCount "124"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Variant "Standard"]
[Termination "because i felt like it"]
1. a4 Nf6 2. b4 Ne4 3. b5 Ng5 4. a5 Ne4 5. b6 Ng5 6. a6 Ne4 7. h3 Ng5 8. e4 Ne6 9. g4 Ng5 10. f4 Ne6 11. f5 Ng5 12. e5 Ne4 13. e6 dxe6 14. Nf3 Nc3 15. d4 Ne4 16. Bg5 Ng3 17. Bd3 Nf1 18. Rg1 exf5 19. Rh1 fxg4 20. Rg1 gxh3 21. Nh4 Ne3 22. Rg4 Nf1 23. Rf4 Ne3 24. Rf6 exf6 25. Bg6 fxg5 26. Bf5 gxh4 27. Bg6 Bb4+ 28. c3 Qd5 29. cxb4 Qa5 30. bxa5 cxb6 31. Ra4 bxa5 32. Rc4 bxa6 33. Rc5 Nf1 34. Rh5 fxg6 35. Nc3 gxh5 36. Ne4 Nc6 37. Nf2 Nxd4 38. Ng4 Ne2 39. Nh6 gxh6 40. Qd3 a4 41. Qd4 Nf4 42. Qc3 Nd3+ 43. Kd1 Nf2+ 44. Kc2 Nh1 45. Qd3 a3 46. Qc3 a2 47. Qd3 Rb8 48. Qc3 Rb1 49. Qd3 Ra1 50. Qc3 Bd7 51. Qd3 Ba4+ 52. Qb3 a5 53. Kb2 Rf8 54. Ka3 Rf2 55. Qg8+ Kd7 56. Qg7+ Kd6 57. Qg6+ Kd5 58. Qg5+ Kd4 59. Qg4+ Kc3 60. Qg5 Kc2 61. Qg4 Kb1 62. Qd4 Rc2 *
@@MaskOfCinderr/woooooosh for you my guy
@@aulainfospinelli5854 My guy, this was 9 months ago. I do not give a shit.
@@MaskOfCinder *average 9 year old moment*
Let's see the mate in 290 next 😁
Pov: The turns have tabled:
Human to Stockfish: You missed mate!
The mate:
pov: when stockfish tells you you missed something
Stockfish realized what was going on when there was only 66 moves left until mate, it detected mate in 66, imagine seeing “m66” pop up on the evaluation bar
I didn't knew the 50 move rule resets after a pawn move. But then again, I rarely have a game with 50+ moves from the very beginning to the end 😂
it resets after capture aswell
@@attilaseyfullah8522 yeah, knew the capture rule, wasn't a were of the pawn move rule
This is why I don't play the sicilian
The longest forced checkmate known to exist is mate in 549 moves. It is the longest 7 piece tablebase checkmate.
but probably not legal because of the 50 move rule...
depends on if there is a pawn move or capture
@@vinesthemonkey There isn't.
@@vinesthemonkey Like just think about it if its a 7 piece tablebase endgame and all 5 pieces other than the kings are pawns, you could stall to 250 moves (50 moves per pawn). So no.
bro you know one pawn can move more than once right? every time it moves it resets the 50 move counter
7:30 i actually laughed pretty hard here
I cant find all move. I just gonna make a draw like Qxa1+ and stalemate. but 130 moves. Bro how
it wouldn't be stalemate because the King can capture the Bishop
I was able to solve this after a while(a few hours... 10), thanks to some of your other lessons, though it is quite amusing seeing a *specific chess friend of mine* having no idea how to solve it
Thanks a lot!
No you were not able to solve it pal. Just get real (:
@@kujklokp ... legit as soon as i saw the "mate in 130" i knew it was something with forcing the opponent to play a bad move, then it was just a matter of finding it
@@trollar8810 Mate in any number indicates that you force your opponent to make bad moves bro, that's why it is called "forced mate" Doesn't matter if it's Mate in 2 or mate in 965
@@kujklokp yeah i get that, i meant that i knew it was a zugzwang thing and it was just about finding a repeatable pattern
just curious, but what happens if bishop defends C2 at 2:07 ?
Then Queen to d3 and b2 mate is unstoppable
Ye, bishop C2 is a blunder
The longest mate I know is "Mate in 182" (by Karl Fabel). Notation: White: Kc8, Re1, Nd1, Ne2, b2, g3, b5, c6. Black: Kh1, Rh2, Bg2, Ba7, Nf1, Nh3, Na8, b6, c7, g4, g6, g7, h7.
Could you imagine the eval bar saying M130 lmfaooo
4:27, couldn’t the pawn just take it?
white is at the bottom, the black pawns walk down.
@@jort93z oh
Wait till 4:42 and you find out why
I am not sure how but I arrived at this exact position against 4 2000 elo players today and I earned a lot of easy wins because of this video so for that I thank you
6:54 can't you move the bishop to b3?
Yes. That wouldn’t change the outcome.
Black pawns are going downward
Cause queen will take the bishop, mate
I’m an amateur chess player and this video is amazing that someone could calculate that far into the future sequence of moves to say checkmate in 130!
O.T. Blathy composed a few checkmate problems that are even longer, and there is a theoretical ending which takes more than 500 moves to win with perfect play.
5:31 it is 124 move checkmate because the pawn can move 2 steps instead of 1
Black wants to live as long as possible. Else black could move the bishop before
7:04 -- well, technically, it *DOES* matter WHERE exactly the bishop moves to...
If it moves to *b3* , then you have to do an extra round of ring-around-the-rosie, and then checkmate with queen *FROM d1 to b3* MATE #.
So that's *138 moves total* , NOT "130" ... :P
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Wild
Stockfish: Missed win
The missed win
**Me opening the game review after completing a rapid game**
Miss: 1
*The mate I missed:*
Wow!
Finally, a worthy opponent for that one puzzle where black has a mountain of pieces but can only move the king back and forth while white only has a pawn.
man I just hate it when my pawns travel across the board horizontally so they can stack on top of each other
Pawns throwing themselves in the grinder one by one in a single file is hilarious.
stockfish telling me the mate i missed:
I love coming back to videos like this to see tempo engines in action.
This reminds me of a Robert Abbott maze, where the solution involves making the same moves seemingly over and over, but each iteration is just slightly different enough that you eventually leave the pattern to exit the maze.
Also the 50 move rule resets after a capture of any piece or pawn.
As memey as this, there actually is a real and sometimes important chess concept here. The concept of "triangulation", where if you end up in a position where it's your move, but if it were your opponent's move, they'd be in zugzwang. You make a series of moves that results in the original position being repeated, but with it being your opponent's move. I learned this from Waitzkin's games that were uploaded to chessmaster, in his game against Matthew Bengston, in the bishop endgames section.
Kudos to the person who took the effort to put his pawns in line
I love the fact that the position is actualy posible
That was hilarious! You’ve got to add a T shirt to your store with that board and “Mate in 130” on it. I’d buy it.
Rook: Can u fk off?
Queen: No
hikaru niggarora :- sees mate in 130
resign
The missed win in your first game stockfish saw:
White: Queen breakdance simulator
Black: Rook back-and-forth simulator
imagine sitting there for like 30 minutes and finding this and then your opponent misses the fact that the rook has to go to c2
"You must know this"
6:00 "My fingers are getting a little bit tired"
Geometry Dash Players: *Amateur*
lol, u got me, "very crutial, very common techniche..." I was like: "wtf is he smoking? to even get the pawns like that is nearly impossible, let alone all the rest"
Stockfish: "You had 1 missed win"
The missed win: