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FULL PRICE games & DLC are not enough, now they want TIPPING?!?
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Maybe if these companies weren't so top heavy they could pay their employees more.
They're both top heavy and bottom heavy. The mass layoffs show how much they overhired to the point of creating unmanageable teams, resulting in a much lesser productivity per dollar spent
Many of them get huge profits and never pay their people more.
@@jackmcslay They have to overhire. A team needs X competent employees, but also needs X diverse individuals. Ideally, they would find competent employees who are also diverse, but if those existed in large numbers, we wouldn't need laws requiring diversity.
If government stopped taxing it's citizenry into poverty, the current wages would go a lot further
@@jackmcslay The video game industry is following the trend set in the tech industry.
Tipping is an excuse for a business to get you to pay their employees. Gaming companies aren't even delivering good products. Why would I tip them!
Most games these days are a half finished mess riddled with bugs example hearts of iron 4 or any paradox game
Before it became an outright requirement, tipping made sense as a thing because it was one where they'd get paid an okay wage but tips were meant to be a sign of how good they were at it. With games, I could see some small games doing it...I know a few good ones where the thing with it is that it's cheap or free to buy the game, and if you liked playing it, you could tip them after the fact, a few with some minor things tied to it.
That's, essentially, how games like Cookie Clicker operate other than the pay requirement for the Steam version because they couldn't integrate the tip thing with it.
Do you guys remember the Calvin and Hobbes strip, where Calvin was selling lemonade in the middle of winter, and Hobbes comes by and asks about its.
Calvin says “I’m not selling much. Maybe if I charge more, I can make the same amount of money by selling less”
Yeah, that.
Instead of saying it isn't enough. Maybe restructure so that you aren't relying on whales. Instead of restructing it for whales.
Yeah, no. Game companies need to learn to work within their means and stop spending so much damn money.
I was so broke once that I was on a Ramen three time a day diet for nearly a month, and I got through it by being responsible with my money until I was able to get more income.
The simple fact indie and AA market are crushing it right now is the proof you don't have to spend $100 million+ to make a game people will buy. And I'm convinced they make that back easily anyway, and literally all this DLC and "tipping" nonsense is pure corporate greed.
Many game studios are horribly managed so development is chaotic without proper planning. This can also include clueless executives from publishers making ridiculous demands on the dev studio. This drives up budgets and increases development time. If a AAA game is taking an unusually long time to make, there is probably serious issues with leadership not leading properly.
Publishers somewhere down the line forgot that video games are a luxury item not a necessity
and that as digital product it is a one time sale. You want money from it? make DLC and items for the game.
Oz being paid to be unhinged. I support this.
I was told when stationed in Japan that Tipping was seen as the worker not being good enough at their job to make a living.
remember the game co-po layoff 600 devs while gift bonus $73m to the CEO? they need regulation not tipping
Nah, we don't want the government mixed up in this, let the laws of entropy take care of it. New companies like Warhorse Studios will spring up to fill the need for games
Tips... to the FBI? IRS?
@@theodoreharrold9875 the company did it was 2K parent company of Rockstar who making GTA 6, Evil still thrilling in Mordor
My only question is how long until they fall? So many good companies fall on the sword after a few years
@@judethenekogamer3651 their reputation was already long gone, if GTA 6 going to pander that be it, don't preorder
The bigger problem here, is that they're pricing games as products that you're "buying", but oftentimes, you're only renting/leasing the right to play the game, and don't actually own ANYTHING.
Until we're actually paying for receiving a product, they're absolutely not worthy of receiving tips of any kind, and they should, in reality, either sell their games, or price them appropriately as rentals/leases.
I'm American and I DESPISE our tipping culture. And instead of getting mad at the employer for not paying them appropriately or the government for allowing and/or encouraging the behavior, no people get mad at the customer if they don't tip OR don't tip what the server feels is an adequate amount! Also, if a server delivers a $12.00 burger or a $23.00 steak, it didn't cause them any extra trobule to serve the steak, why is the customer paying more for the service of the steak! Why is there a freaking percentage of the bill for a tip?
Gotta love places that automatically send a tip even when I saw my waitress twice and other workers came to give me service.
I don’t mind tipping for good service. I have tipped very well for service that I felt went above and beyond. But I never tip based on the price of what I ordered. That just seems..odd.
I feel for people who depend on tips, but if you expect a tip with every transaction, you need to exchange it for a service worth tipping for. I saw a video awhile back of a guy working at a movie theater, flipping the popcorn bucket, and dancing, and spinning while buttering the popcorn, and filling drinks. And I remember thinking to myself, "I would tip that guy, because he genuinely contributes to the experience of going there." But you can't be angry with people for not tipping you, when you do the base job, and prices are already too high.
In Hearthstone, they recently TRIPLED weekly quest requirements for only a 20% increase in reward. After significant outrage, Blizzard generously dialed back to only TWICE the effort required.
That was probably the plan from the start.
And that was the plan all along. Outrage people by going way too far and then dial it back to only going somewhat too far.
Blizzard is dead
These major companies legitimately think we are paying relatively little to the amount of entertainment they see themselves as delivering to us. They see the video game industry as the biggest growing entertainment industry, bigger than any tv shows or films, and they think we should pay a lot more for the video games that take tens and even hundreds of hours to finish. That's their distorted logic, they want us to pay monthly for games as a continuous entertainment service similar to what people used to pay for cable tv. They see the contraction with the film and tv industries and all they think is how to increase their profit margins and come out on top.
Tipping culture is outrageous in the U.S. employees almost everywhere will say, “there’s just a question for you,” and shove their iPad in your face while pretending to look the other way while you pay, it is guilt trip tactics. Guess what the minimum tip is at most places? 15-20%. It’s out of control. The culture of tipping has been bastardized in the U.S. to force more money out of the consumer to subsidize incomes.
Edit: “20% tip for pouring me black coffee?! Seriously?”
Most people don’t even bother to look the other way. It’s extortion. Will they do something to my food if I don’t tip? Will my service even change? Will they even get my order right? Tipping has just become and extra 20% tax.
@@SarahFearnley958 Right? There’s no point in even going out anymore. A lot of places will automatically charge you a fee for tipping as well. Automatically 15%-20%. What happens when your service is horrible but an automatic fee is applied? Then you have to fight to have it removed which most people don’t want to do out of “civility.” It really sucks too because tips used to be tax free, and a reward on top of your income. Now, in some states it’s not only taxed, but actually qualifies as a part of your total income. By taxing tips it places an onus on the customer to even give more through social conditioning. When it should be placed on the establishment…but at the end of the day the root cause truly is the government sticking its nose in everything, putting pressure on the restaurant, which places pressure on the worker, and then onto the customer. It’s why if you do tip, tip cash; and it also proves trickle down theory does work, it just depends whether or not the people up top (the gov/ CEOs) actually care about people. Otherwise it can be used negatively as well.
Making a good game doesn't make you earn a tip. They made great games in the past. And what did we get. Incomplete, bug infested, $40 skins. And covered up gambling.
I'm not American, The idea of tipping feels like begging to me.
Its a crowdfunding system made a long time ago by bosses that didn't wanna pay blacks a fair wage
We Americans do that too. We send school kids out to beg for money on street corners to afford their sports team jerseys because that $600,000,000 jumbotron the school bought with everybody's property tax money was just oh so necessary for little league and they can't afford to provide equipment to the kids actually playing.
Homeschool.
@@judethenekogamer3651 How did that work given segregation? You can't really argue that that makes any rational sense prior to the 1960s, while American tipping culture pre-dates the civil war, not just integration.
Was tipping culture maybe used by some racists after segregation ended to subsidize worker wages because of racial animus...technically possible but I've yet to see someone provide a demonstrable example. The idea that the entire system was designed so that racists could hire black people without having to pay them is laughably absurd though unless you just know absolutely nothing about the basic timeline of these events.
Tipping is fine if someone does an exceptional job, that simply surpassed your expectation. For example: I played the indie-game „Factorio“ for something like 7000 hour, and initially just payed 30 bucks. That just didn‘t feel right - so I donated 2 more copies to friends
Tipping is for services above and beyond what is paid for or expected. for a game that remains the same. If a game is good, then I will pay for DLC, items from that game's shop. The problem I have is that the money spent is not going to the dev crew that made the game all the time.
So ya, I can not in the case of gaming support a forced tipping system.
Certain publishers give out bonuses to their dev team if a game hits certain sales milestones. Unfortunately that isn't too common and often when it does happen, the lion's share goes to the people at the top of the studio.
@@fattiger6957 so like musicians. the label gets the cash and the Band gets money from the concerts.
I have avoided going out as often because of the massive price increases and the tipping issue. Tipping used to be 10%, now they expect 20-25%. Why should I compensate the employee for the business not paying a fair wage in excess from what was standard practice for years. Next year will it be standard to tip 100% ? and the year after that 150% ? Tipping should be actually optional and not expected.
The fact that it is a percentage of the total bill is a HUGE issue. The server is making no more effort bring you a lobster than a burger. Why should you pay more because you purchased a higher ticket item? I agree, tipping should be optional and not expected.
@@Aremalithia A server wants a tip? do a good job and Impress me. I soun like Mr. Pink but he had the right idea.
@@Aremalithia You have a great point. I never thought of it that way.
My response to that: Hell no
Tipping culture in the US was originally basically that these jobs were held almost exclusively by local teenagers, bussing tables wasn't thought of as a viable career path but a way for a kid wanting spending money to make a quick buck. Now though there aren't enough jobs to go around for the adults that need them, but they kept the tipping culture after minimum wage laws, and even carved out an exemption around it ironically at the behest of wait staff as well as business owners because they objectively make more money overall pawning the responsibility for their wages off on the customer, or at least did in times past.
No, tipping culture is still needed in the US, because jobs that typically tip pay less than min wage--and post their wages AFTER tips. For example, most waiter/waitress jobs pay like 3 dollars an hour and expect tips to make the difference.
So yes, it IS needed in the US. It doesn't mean I like it as a US citizen. I despise tipping culture, and it pisses me off these companies expect the customer to make up the difference in the employees wage; they can go pound sand.
@@shawnwolf5961 That's not how tip credits work my guy. Tip credits are a bad system but learn how it works before you open your mouth.
Really doesn't help with the song and dance made for tipping where it can get worse.
Some companies have the auto tipping where you get charged for the tip... And then that money is sent to the company where they use that tip to pay the paycheck of their employees.
Essentially making tipping a tax on the customers and not giving the money to the employees, while claiming it is to ensure people tip.
@@shawnwolf5961 yeah, that's the exemption I referenced above, and I disagree with that exemption to the current laws because it is precisely why tipping culture has gotten so toxic and out of control in the first place, because you cannot call it out without people pearl clutching about the poor poor wait staff that lobbied to be in that position in the first place where they hold the customer hostage for their wages rather than be reasonably paid by their employer.
@@shawnwolf5961That's what it is NOW, not what it started as.
Originally, it was more of a bonus thing for people doing more and more, then it got pushed further and further with things into the mess it is now. With shaming campaigns for not doing so even where the companies don't allow tips.
There's the entire stupid mess a couple days ago involving Trump getting McDonalds and not leaving a tip...and McDonalds is a place you'll get fired if you accept a tip. You have organized hate campaigns against people who may or may not have actually tipped or didn't tip enough.
No. You get a cut of the sale, and nothing more.
Wants you to give more money, but this time will do even less to earn it. Like I’d trust any Publisher to not abuse this system either.
DEVELOPERS? Not even the tortured programmers, but the fuckers who get all that money ANYWAY?
I will tip at a restaurant. I'll tip the bellboy who brings my luggage up. I'll tip the guy that brings my car around. I'll tip the uber driver if the ride was nice. It's a nice custom. It's a show of civility. Appreciation and respect and even honor to someone who is in that kind of subservient position... but that's as far as tipping should be taken.
@@Finn_MacCool indeed, all those slave - jobs. As is tradition in the US for US - Americans. You guys had the slaves, you can pay the tips.
Ignorant as always. Slaves have been everywhere. But emphasize America. Which wasn't even close to center of slavery.
@@Tajarim88 Service ain't slavery my dude.
@@Tajarim88 my poor child. *hug* 👁🗨 💋 👁🗨
There's already a method to "tip" developers. It's called merch.
Games do not need "tipping" there are already many viable ways for developers to monetize the customer sentiment of receiving an excellent product.
As mentioned in the video most games have DLC but there are also Deluxe Edition Upgrades, Sound Tracks, Art Books, and Merchandise. With all of these options to reward the developers and provide the customer with a little extra, NO there is no reason to have a way to provide a straight monetary gift to the developer.
This is just greedy & lazy.
Tipping?
Wait they want a tip after not supplying a full game when you paid the full price for something incomplete?!
EDIT: Oh the people making their stuff so they can then sell.
Huh got the wrong end of the stick!
I’d rather give them the middle finger. Rather than tipping a company for making a good video game. That should just be a standard. lol
an "I avow Oz" shirt would be incredible
I would wear it. LOL! also patches and coffee mugs.
Just to clarify - while I can't speak for the rest of the world - restaurants in the US are required to cover up to minimum wage if the tips don't cover the difference. It may be different in other countries, but I know here that they'll at least make minimum. Of course, then there's the argument that there shouldn't be such a thing as "minimum wage", because it only serves to hurt the lower wage employees in the long run. That said, I would never tip for a game, not even when I'm doing crowdfunding projects (e.g. Kickstarter, Gamefound, etc).
at least in Australia there is no job that has to make up the difference. you get miminum wage payments period even if you're in an industry with tips. there are no shortcuts there. the only way to abuse the system is typically fastfood who were caught out taking things like uniform costs out of peoples paychecks. they got blasted for that too.
You know how to actually increase wages? Support small and local businesses. I get that some economies of scale might not apply there, but what is cut out is the corporate greed. Of course, not everything can be localised or its so inefficient that any gain from the closer relationship of the managment to the regular workers is overshadowed, but still, its generally good for the economy to have a vast array of small to medium enterprises.
I live in a country with no minimum wage. here it is the worker/workers union and the employer/ employer unions that negotiate most of the rules. only a few things are decided by the gov.
If the programmers aren't making enough, then the big CEOs could sacrifice their big payments for the workers. But we know the jackass who wants "tips" would lay off thousands to get a billion dollars instead of a million bucks.
that same "Jack Ass" also likely supports a higher base pay for his or her favorite employees as well. so even more cost.
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Kiwi here.
Here's a funfact; you get taxed proportionally higher if you declare two jobs at the IRD. I believe its the same way in Aus as well. Overall you earn a crumb more, but its borderline slavery in favor for the government and almost not worth it unless you are absolutely struggling and need that extra sliver of income.
I have been an employee and an employer. Currently I've been working with some friends who have started up, and its astounding how much of their income is being taxed, or goes directly to rent. Many times employers want to pay their employees more, but most commercial properties are owned by trusts who are driving rent up every year. Higher rent means higher council rates, which is carried by the company renting as well. The council loves this as this means more revenue at the cost of degrading quality of life for everyone else.
Then you have rising utility costs (for infrastructure that has been paid of decades ago), waste management tax, council tax that is outside of the rental council tax and normal business tax, and on top of all this, many prime commercial properties will also demand a cut from your earnings as well (similar to what Westfield does if anyone is familiar).
Blizzard should get used to the idea that they don't "own" their games.
The trick with you guys is that WE would be considered the investors by subscribing to your patreon, subscribestar, etc. We are literally investing our time AND money into your production.
I'll tip a waitress who otherwise makes 2.35 /hr, but a game developer? They can get stuffed. That's beyond absurd.
Especially if the game is a buggy half finished mess like certain games
Here´s my take on tips: If the customer wants to tip because they enjoyed something in particular, I see no issue at all. If the supplier starts EXPECTING tips I see huge issues in that, because an employer relying on the customers to pay their employees a livable wage... that´s not how that should work...
As a chef, it was always nice (but not expected) when the customers tipped. Problem is the tips were mostly given to servers who often decided not to share, pocketing them themselves. Very relevant here
Some restaurants in NA have a tipping out system. It is expected that a diner will tip and a portion of these tips go to the kitchen staff. MEANING, if the diner does not leave a tip, the kitchen's tip comes out of the servers pocket.
It's a broken system.
and the back of the house staff that did crap jobs were still given the fair tip when they did not earn it. So you have to earn that tip, front or back of the house.
@@shawn6860 It doesn’t work that way in the uk.
@@christanner8765 ah that sucks. all the places I worked were like that.
@@shawn6860 It does suck, but there you go. The tips aren’t shared equally, like I imagine the gaming tipping wouldn’t be.
Tipping used to be purely optional. Until the unions decided they wanted the money instead of letting their employees who actually earned it keep it for themselves. It's very similar to Microsoft's long battle against used game sales. They can't stand that someone's making money that isn't going to them first.
As a Brit living in the UK, I envy those who live in countries where elections are held.
In the US, my wife has convinced me not to tip anymore.
But a few weeks ago after paying 40$ something on pizza and wings, paid with cash, after paying and getting uo to leave the waiter started to follow us to the door asking about why we didn't give him a tip, uf it was something wrong with his service, he didn't do anything wrong, he did his job as he is paid to do.
If i was to have a complaint is my cup never got refilled.
But other than thay the only tip i have is don't follow me to the door and say I'm cheap.
Tipping has become extortion. I tip on those rare occasions where I order online simply because I don't want people messing with my food. They make it sound like it's optional, but you know it's not. I watched Waiting. I'm not taking the chance.
As an American I also despise tipping.
Tipping is so American. We don’t do that crap in Scandinavian countries either
No it's $70+ price as it keeps rising (Despite removing shipping and physical costs), DLC/ Expansions, TONS of Micro Transactions AND now tipping.
They want HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS per a full game....and it's all just PURE profit after like 2/3 the game price.
All the while releasing a buggy mess of a game and expecting the customer to spot bugs for them
The wages aren't the problem, the bloat is. Their only answer to get a greater output is to hire more and more people, which inevitably leads to less output per employee due to greater administrative costs, driving away better qualified developers and constant crunch. If there's good indie games out there made by one single person, I really doubt most AAA games needs to have a > 100 development team (not counting voice actors and mocap actors) which the company can invest training to make them able to produce high quality content with better efficiency - which they then *have* to pay decently for them not to leave to other companies - rather than having bloated teams making characters that look made out of wood like in Star Wars Outlaws
In the UK we also do not have a tipping culture but now restaurants are adding a 5-10% "service" charge to the bill. Its disgusting.
So I do agree to a certain degree tips give the employee more of an incentive to give you better treatment and want to give better treatment by the prospect of getting more money in exchange for better service, not on games tho.
Agree, optional tips and not a forced tip system. If its forced the employee never improves as they do not need to earn a tip.
"A product is given at a price. My ancestors refused to pay the price. And THAT'S how we ended up getting transported to Van Diemen's Land."
You cant vote your way out of Tyranny.
I hope I am just being a conspiracy theorist, but with more games requiring online access, I envision a scenario appearing fairly quickly where the bandwidth/server resources allocated to you are proportional to the tips you give.
a valid concern I think.
The societal contract in the US has been to tip for haircuts, sit down restaurants, and several other services. It has been this way for a long time, most people understand it, and is fine. The problem now is that other businesses want to get in on the action and starts to feel like gimme gimme gimme.
At one point they got rid of tipping in France, servers were complaining that they were making less money.
I hate the practice of tipping! It has gotten completely out of control. Everyone expects a tip now for just doing their job.
As an American, I'm not against tipping as a concept. But recently it has gone way too far. Tips were great for when it was for basically food service only. But I started getting pissed when girls I knew who brought home sometimes $1000 a day complained they weren't getting paid well and wanted more than minimum wage while then also saying minimum wage should be $20 an hour. And now everyone wants tips. I'm almost about to agree with you that no more tips but my local coffee huts deserve them.
They raised the price of video games while at the same time stripping out key elements of the game including massive chunks of the content, to sell back to us at a later day, and 90% of the time the game is broken at launch and it takes months to even fix it if they even bother to fix it. So no they don't deserve tips if they can't even provide a full functioning game at launch.
Tipping waiters works well. I have had very good and bad service, and the ability to reward good service is useful both to customers and waiters. Tipping is definitely implemented more than it should be, but the practice itself has useful applications.
And there is Japan, where service standards are sky high, and it's illegal to not pay your workers, and tips are insulting to them, because it makes them feel like a beggar.
@@lootownica There are some things of the Japanese culture that we need to export here. The service standards and the "do not bother others" are two things I'd love to bring to the US.
SSKTJL: you had to pay ME 70$/sec to play this game...
I really enjoyed the banter on this one. You guys were particularly funny today.
You know what tips are in games? Microtransactions. If you really like a game, you're more likely to give the developers money for microtransactions. More often than not microtransactions are either currency of some kind, cosmetic items, or boost items. Cosmetic items take not a lot of work to make (Compared to making an entire game), and the other 2 take almost no work to make. So instead of putting in practically no work for a "Product" that actually has SOME substance for the player to pay you for, you should do NOTHING and expect to be paid multiple times for something the player has already purchased. Man I'm glad so many amazing games are coming out soon from smaller devs. Cause the bigger guys consistently show they either hate their consumers, are completely incompetent, or both.
If you had it tied to achievements, it would be really easy to make it work with most games.
When starting up or even on the store, you get told where the "refund zone" is, usually between finishing the tutorial and finishing the second mission/level, or a certain number of matches for most multiplayer games.
And if you want the refund, you go to the main menu choose refund and the game is removed from your computer/console and library
What he says makes sense if you take games as a service not a product. These guys provide a live service and typically in services you give tips.
This is a uniquely American thing though since a lot of people in those industries are known for being under paid, encouraging good work ethic via tipping for said behavior is the norm.
However when you are already paid 100k a year+ why the F should someone making 40k at a 10 hour job + commute then shell out an addition tip on top?
So I take it back, it doesn't make sense unless he wants an excuse to cut salaries.
At this point, we need to have "I Disavow Oz" shirts with Oz on the front looking angry/hurt. That would be an awesome piece of merch.
the problem is that executives pay themselves too much to also have fair asking prices. I think it's what's actually driving inflation in general
One of the big things, minimum wage jobs such as fast food, was never meant to be a full career for anyone, unless they chose it; it's was supposed to be something temporary on the road to better things. Ex a teenager.
Tipping here in the States has gone insane. They charge a "service fee" and then still EXPECT tips. Tips used to be considered 10%, 15% and 20% .... with 15% being considered for "GOOD service. Now they EXPECT A MINIMUM of 18% NOW? INSANE as you say for people that are struggling so much already
I came from europe, but i live in the US. NO MORE TIPPING.
Its gotten so out of hand that even the yankees are starting to rebel.
Firstly tipping devs is a dumb idea because the publisher would just keep most or all of it for themselves.
Secondly all the people who are suggesting this are idiots making work dog crap, so I would definitely not give stop because I don’t even buy the base product.
The closest I can think of to tipping is when I’ve double dipped on purchases for an excellent product by a good dev, like getting both a switch and ps4 copy I’d say monster Hunter rise.
the developers can open patron/subscribe star/a couple maybe even youtube channels and memberships. they don't need to add tipping in the game. Or the studio could open the same for the studio or even more specific ones for individual games that studio produces. So, there are already methods for them to set up "hey, if we did a good job, support us so we can continue to provide value for you" kinda deals.
As someone who lives in a country where tipping exists but it not mandatory, I agree that the transaction between customer and seller ends where the transaction is done. However, if it turns out I am extremely satisfied with the service I was given, surely I can give the salesman a tip to represent my satisfaction as a customer.
A tip was meant to reward service above and beyond normal. A tip was incentive for doing great work. Now it's expected for minimum service given. Hate it.
Tipping? No. Not at all.
Yeah, why _shouldn’t_ the people serving you your food be forced to choose that month between paying the rent, or eating? They’re only lowly service staff, so fuck them, right?
@@Markunator Perhaps they should take it up with their employer and the government instead of getting mad at the customer for not wanting to subsidize the wages the EMPLOYER should be paying.
@@Aremalithia Except they will get fired if they take it up with their employer, and their government exists to do the bidding of business owners, so yeah: TIP YOUR WAITRESS.
@@MarkunatorLmao. You vote for guys like Trump and Ted Cruz you suffer the consequences.
@@stc3145 What the fuck are you fucking talking about?!
the draw back of the tip/refund if that they will just double the price of games so that the refund {that everyone will undoubtedly claim) will still leave them in the green
One thing I've found myself doing with games I really love is buying them again for other formats further down the line. I'm sure I'm not the only one who does this.
If they want tips. The ceo better be ready to come to my house, set my chair, turn my console on, turn my tv on, put the game in and initiate the game, guide me through the experience, bring me water and snacks, and then leave after I'm done praising or shitting on their game. Then I'll tip.
There are plenty of games that have a supporter pack dlc, which is basically a tip, and it usually unlocks exclusive cosmetics. helldivers 2 has the super citizens pack
I'm an American and I hate tipping culture as well... there are actually legal loopholes designed around tipping here that allow restaurants to pay employees less than the legally set minimum wage because they are assuming tips will make up the rest of the wage.
The basic reason for that was that, originally, that meant that a portion of the costs was entirely up to the people they're hired to serve, do well and you'll normally get a really good payday, do poorly and you're better off getting a new job. Minimum wage kind of got pushed into getting mixed into it...and then places started viewing that as an excuse to pay crap and force people to tip as best they could.
And then they setup a hierarchy of priority players, reward those who tip the most, create abominations of games driven by tips. BAD IDEA.
I live in the US. I get tips and a regular wage. I would be ecstatic if the practice of tipping was utterly abolished. I also want tax to be included in prices.
They already have tipping, its called the cosmetic micro-transaction, if people enjoy the game and want to support it, they'll buy the funny costumes and paints
(that technically should be 1/4 the price they sell them at for most games).
And we all know the programmers and artists who *actually* built the game would never see a cent of those tips. The shareholders would though :\
Ybarra there is having a "Hello fellow gamers" moment...
Man, more and more companies to add to the blacklist, for a variety of reasons! Wooo. Blizzard was already on that list for several reasons, so just another reason to add.
Assuming they have something similar in Australia, what about something like a food delivery that you've prepaid for? It's been a conundrum for me as you can't do it related to the service so I tip depending on the last persons job. They added in a service fee because I don't think they were getting the tips they wanted. Then increase the default tip from 10 to 12%. Theres a difference between paying someone for a good job and me covering their wages with additional fees.
We have similar attitude towards tipping in Poland and I think it's the most sensible approach. Unfortunately it's been changing for the past few years because there are more and more people who want to be "modern" and "western" in everything they do and think
I can see it in service industries, not production industries. If someone goes above and beyond the expected a tip might not be out of line. But with the now "mandatory" tipping attitude and behavior even that is something I avoid doing. Several of the restaurants with take out options now include a surcharge to offset the lack of tips with take out and delivery.
And most states now require the company to pay at least full minimum wage, and the staff are supposed to report the tips on their taxes/payroll as well. But a handful of places have no tipping policies where tips are collected into a pool for the whole staff if any are given (especially outside of restraunts, where in some cases taking a tip is instant termination)
- Sign up with an Internet provider $XX/Month
- Purchase game Console $700 (PC: $2000)
- Purchase Online Membership to be allowed to utilize your internet which you've already payed for $7-$14/Month (PC: Free)
- Purchase Triple-A game $70 (Deluxe: $110. Ultra deluxe: $150)
- Purchase Expansions
- Purchase DLC's
- Purchase Season Pass
- Purchase Battle Pass
- Purchase Micro-transactions
- Purchase P2W Premium membership $7/month
- Purchase Gacha (Gambling)
And finally...
- Donate money to corpos- I mean the developers... $10
This is all just one more way they want to try and squeeze your wallet dry like always.
One of the most widely accepted reasons behind the word “tip” comes from the phrase “To Insure Promptness.” game devs delay release too often
And when they do release the product is barebones (imperator Rome on release day)
A singe player game had an option to tip before but it was in-game currency to NPCs and it did literally nothing. Pokémon X and Pokémon Y.
8:01 I did literally the same thing,. Bought the more expensive all-swag-included edition after 100% completing the game like three times.
Please, I need an "I Avow Oz" tee shirt
I fully expect ubisoft to add at one point to their tos, that they own organs of their renters.
Tipping is only for significantly above standard performance.
Following that logic we should be able to get some of basic price back if product was subpar. Its a nice fantasy isnt it?
@@MortiXD09That's called a refund.
@@eefthebeef3047 not exactly, i honestly think those games are worth something. 10-20 bucks seems like a fair amount. but since their choice is overpriced them through the ass, im gonna stick to getting them for free.
there are already "support DLCs" that give you nothing (sometimes they throw in some concept art) for some indies
The problem with tipping in games is simple: A GOOD (AAA) game automatically sells high numbers, and pays its development well. Only bad games and rather niche Indy games would need the additional Tip at the end. And for those Indy developpers, many of us already do it - by donating a copy to a friend, by buying addons and such and so on. And the small indy companys deserve this type of Tips well. They often can‘t compete with AAA gfx-work due to manhours, but they do on ideas and creativity, and often surpass them.
Diablo IV generated $666 million in revenue within the first five days after launch, and reached 12 million players by August 2023. The PlayStation 5 version of Diablo IV was the second bestselling retail game during its first week of release in Japan, with 24,375 physical units being sold.
The best case scenario if you do tip these companies it all goes into a tip pool where it all gets divided but unfortunately the people who make the bad games get funded as well the whole tipping thing is primarily to support the failing games
Looting the coffers is the last phase of a dying empire
I personally don't mind tipping employees at restaurants or food delivery drivers for companies like door dash, because I know what it's like to be underpaid by a company and having to live off of the kindness of strangers to keep a roof over my head and food in my belly. I was underpaid because my pay was cut, and no-one told me about it or why it happened. And I'm sad to say that I still work there. I still work there because I'm having trouble finding work elsewhere.
Yeah nah to tipping unless full refund is also available, also we need to make something like deflation rates that fight against inflation like an indirect war against the greedy and corrupt 😂🤔
It might differ by country, but here in the USA, you can refund steam games with under 2 hours played if within first 2 weeks of purchase.
In the food industry, I think the purpose of tipping is that the waiter knows their income is directly tied to pleasing the customer. It certainly has downsides too.
In general though, I think tipping is a bait and switch. Oh, you thought it cost this but it REALLY costs that. Just like first day DLC and season passes, etc. Deceptive marketing has always been a thing, which is why journalism has always been a thing, as that's just deceptive marketing about information.
I agree, the only way to add a tipping system to video games properly, is to offer a bare minimum half a refund, for the opposite extreme. Otherwise, no tipping systems should be in any video game.