Famous and Overrated... 8 Whiskies I Keep Buying Anyway
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
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Today I fess up and come clean about 8 whiskies I think are overrated and not really worth it, but I'm going to keep buying them anyway. Because of their legacy, I've been collecting them, or for whatever reason, I don't love these but keep dropping the cash to get them and I don't know why.
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Agreed. I'm done chasing high priced bourbon. Over my journey I've found about 10-15 bourbons I really like...all under $100 and most all of them under $60. I'm good.
I went cheap to see what's good.
@@artzilla3 that's where the fun is, IMO. 🥃
What are your picks under 60? Sipping the LBP B523 and it’s awesome! But it’s 75
...alot of choices under $60. Woodford double oak, Wild Turkey Rare Breed, mitchters around $50 range. Recently tried 4 roses small batch and single barrel $30-$40 range was pretty good, but I suspect it will be hard to get as when I went to get a new bottle was sold out near my area.
However, when I said i was going cheap, I meant bottom shelf prices. I picked up both grand old dad and Evan williams both BIB. 20 Bucks and under. I like both but prefer grand old dad BIB and that will be something that will be something always on my shelf from now on.
@@Bigdogshaving if you're a fan of LBP, I think you might be inclined to check out Makers Mark Cask Strength, 46, and 46 Cask Strength. On the non-wheated side, WT Rare Breed is ALWAYS a hit, Elijah Craig, Knob Creek 9, and 1792 are fantastic buys and thankfully all fairly easy to find.
This video raises the natural question, which you addressed the beginning: Why? It's a question I've asked myself this year. In my own experience and your channel and other whiskey tubers, there are so many other good options from smaller, local, and regional distilleries as well as store picks. I'm done hunting and certainly done over-paying. Allocations are cool, prestigious, but not that much better or in some cases worse than other options. This year, I'm committed to only buying store picks and local/regional bottles.
I’m content with my Rare Breed, JDSBBP (both the whiskey and the rye), ECBP, 1910, Pikesville, standard Buffalo Trace and Wilderness Trail. All findable and all can compete with the “allocated” tater tots.
Ditto on all that.
When I started my journey, sooo many people said they liked Basil Hayden, so I plunked down my $40 and went huh? I already know I like 15 bottles under $35 that blow it away IMO. 2 of them are $18 and $20, White Label EW and JTS Brown.
Basil Hayden is terrible unless you like flavored water
@@connieharris6553 🤣🤣
For me, it’s Bookers. I’ve had 3 of the past 8, and while they’re good I just done think it’s good enough for the price. For me, I’d take a barrel proof Knob Creek store pick at half the cost.
I agree, I have 5 or 6 of the bottles you had on the table and the juice is good but with the price increases it’s hard to call it great. But we are all bourbon enthusiasts and it hard to pass the next release. The intrigue always seems to win out whether my wallet likes it or not.
I've had Midwinter Night's Dram a couple times recently at bars. It is very good, but I agree that the current price is hard to justify. It's possible that I might buy it anyway - at least the current release is reasonably available.
In general, I find Buffalo Trace products to be overrated, but this is relative to the hype, the difficulty of finding them, and the exorbitant secondary pricing. For the most part, MSRP is fair, though I think Blanton's has crept up higher than it should be. To me, Blanton's is a perfectly adequate $50 bottle. I could have picked it up for $80 not too long ago, but I left it there and got other things that I like better. I recently tried Blanton's Gold at a bar and was underwhelmed. Compared to the other things I had been drinking that day, it was boring. Currently, I only have one Buffalo Trace product in my collection - a single barrel pick of Eagle Rare 10. I don't think I will get any more unless I get lucky and stumble upon a Stagg or a Weller Antique 107 for close to MSRP, and I strongly doubt that will ever happen.
Craft whiskies can be overpriced relative to their quality, but I'll buy them anyway. Small distilleries that are distilling their own whisky often come up with unique and unusual products, and I'm always seeking out something that tastes noticeably different from everything I've had in the past. One local distillery occasionally releases an aggressive and challenging cask strength monster, another one sometimes distills beer from local breweries, and yet another produces young whiskies from unusual types of grain, including a wheat malt whisky. Spending too much on these could perhaps be seen as an investment. I want these distilleries to continue experimenting and improving their craft.
Curious about which distillery is doing the beer distilling. Have a couple done from Boulevard brewery, and I find them interesting. I'd definitely try more.
@@billcall9063 Henebery - in Vista, California. It is a very small distillery that mostly concentrates on flavored rye for use in cocktails, but every now and then, they get their hands on a barrel of beer from a local brewery and do their work on it. These are their most interesting offerings.
I’ve had three different Magnus Cigar Blend batches and they were all fantastic. They go for $250 - $300 out here.
I feel ya on this video. I’m really trying scale back the $$$$$ bottles and stay more realistic and affordable bottles that are still really good. I totally suffer from the FOMO disease!!
I’ve never bought a Blood Oath bc I just didn’t know about that rabbit hole!!
You should title this:
“Confessions of a Whiskey Buyer … and I’ll Keep Doing It!”
I feel for you man. Once a bottle lets me down I’m hard pressed to buy it again I just don’t have the funds but even if I did, I couldn’t.
Nice video! I think the human nature collector in most of us gets us caught up into keeping the collection going. I’m a little over a year into my journey and I have 10 Booker’s 🤪 although I only paid 72.00 each. I also have Larceny BP’ in order from batch b522 to the newest c923🤪!! My daughter collects Starbucks cups and my grandson collects toy cars from kids movies! It’s in our minds to not miss out:) I did get my first cigar blend batch 86 last week and it’s a great pour! Cheers
My bottles that I can’t pass up are much less expensive: Eagle Rare and Weller Special Reserve. I find Eagle Rare for around $25 to $35 dollars and Wellers at $23. I now have 14 Eagle Rare and 8 Wellers. Every time I see them for that price, I buy them. I really enjoy both of them. Knowing that I can’t drink them all I give some away to family and friends.
Want to sell one of each?
Where the fuck are you finding them for that price?
Weller abc fine wine and spirits. Eagle rare military exchange and county run liquor store.
This I understand, like back when MM46 was available for $30 at my grocery liquor store... basically paying me to drink it. I could understand buying ER at $30 but at $90... I could just buy some bookers or something.
Yeah I chase ER and just paid $70, the cheapest I could ever find is $50
Back when Elmer T. Lee was available everywhere at State Minimum Pricing (Michigan), I was underwhelmed. I love all Buffalo Trace offerings, but this one just didn't do it for me.
In general I have a hard time shelling out more than $100 unless I've tasted it already and even the $70-80 bottles have to compete with the fact I can drink WT RB or KYS for $60 or KC9/12 for $35-60 or OF WR stuff for $45-50 and that stuff is all great and readily available. I'll entertain $150 for an 18 year scotch and maybe a couple of special bottles if found at retail, maybe even $200 but I saw MWND after Christmas for $200 at my grocery store liquor shop and just... no... no. Also just in general I'm pretty stocked up. I would have to find something really interesting to make room. MM cellar ages, OF1924 are the only two I'm even considering at over $100 currently but I'm not paying over msrp.
Curious what you mean by “tainted” on the Magnus cigar blend
I feel you on the Woodford Batch Proof, I really liked the 124.7 proof and it disappeared fast. I'll buy the next one if I see it but probably only one... unless it's spectacular!?!?
Heh. Great video, and I couldn’t help smiling when you talked about the prices you paid. A Midwinter Night’s Dram …
I would love to buy a bottle. Every bottle. Beautiful bottle, great marketing and I’m a sucker for Port finished Ryes.
Here in Germany, it’s nearly impossible finding it. I saw a bottle in Berlin and the price was 400 effing Euros. I can’t pay that much and I wouldn’t do it if I could.
It’s similar rare to find a bottle of Elmar T. Lee here, and if you do, you have to pay 200+ for a bottle. Stagg is about 350 Euros and also very hard to find. You can’t find Four Gate Kelvin at all and so on. Germany is a diaspora when it comes to allocated Bourbon.
But hey, you get Buffalo Trace for 20 Euros and Eagle Rare 10 for about 30 Euros. Unfortunately, I don’t enjoy both of them too much .. So I have to stick with my Wild Turkey Rare Breed for 39 Dollars (or 50 Dollars for 1 l of the non-chill filtered version which is awesome). And speaking of Wild Turkey, I was lucky enough to get 2 bottles of WT 12 year old Japan Exclusive (98 Euros per bottle) and this is really great stuff.
So keep in mind, if you get A Midwinter Night’s Dram or Stagg for 200 Dollars in the US, you’re some lucky bastards ..
Great video! Put your heart on the line and I completely empathize. The bottle chase game is getting overrated in general. Right with you with Mid winters, WHY do I keep buying it!! I also keep getting the Blood Oaths, but I do like them and they are a general crowd pleaser, but the prices I find them for are all over the place. Sooner or later we’ll all go back to WT 101, Elijah Craig, and Evan Williams BIB and the whisky marketing departments will be out of a job
Thanks David for the great content as always. I love how honest this video was. I was surprised about how much you would pay up for ETL but hey it is what it is. Knowing your love for Stagg as well I would be interested in if you thought $195 was a buy or pass on a Stagg store pick? Thanks again!
For George T Stagg....maybe. For what used to be referred to as Stagg Jr thats definitely too much. For that price you're not missing out one bit.
It is funny, when the video first started I was thinking Midwinter Nights Drama and Blood Oath. I keep buying them, but I don’t think they are worth the asking price. It’s purely FOMO that keeps me buying them, but at my age, I can’t imagine I’ll be doing so much longer. I disagree with the Russells 13, as it has been very enjoyable, but only at their inflated retail price, I’d be upset if I paid secondary.
Speaking of secondary, I’ve noticed that most of the local stores (Central NJ) have been charging secondary prices. A friend referred to the allocated display as a trophy or museum case, not to be actually sold, but to be gawked at like you would a famous painting.
The one Four Gate I have is spectacular, but I really don’t care to open my wallet that much to see what the others taste like. If they manage to get a decent bottle at 80 bucks sometime, I’ll reconsider.
Lastly, I’m very happy with what Lucky Seven has been releasing, most under 100.00 and all are very tasty.
Was in your neck of the woods on Saturday night. Went to Sedona Taphouse, but sat and waited at Harrys Sidecar and they had an great selection of Whiskies and Bourbons!
I'm doing the same thing today. Not a huge blantons fan, but haven't been able to get one for a year (at retail). A local store is releasing 9 cases today at retail . I'm running there before work today
My #1 guilty pleasure is Old Forester Single Barrel Barrel Strength Bourbon. I pick them up whenever I see them at MSRP. I just picked up another 1 on Tuesday and another 1 on Wednesday. I now have 8 on the shelf. I do not consider them overrated, but probably do not need to get any more. 🥃
Dave do you live in Indiana. What store are you picking those up from?
@@DanDaWhiskeyMan82 I live in Belvidere, IL. I picked up another bottle Thursday at Woodman’s in Rockford, IL. The other 2 bottles I got at the Binny’s in Rockford, IL.
Love the content of this video. We all have our special ones that we overpay for for whatever reason and glad to see you owning up to it 😂
Remus Repeal Reserve. I rarely buy anything over $100, and refuse to pay inflated pricing in my area for basically anything. I would love to buy an Old Fitz BiB, Wild Turkey Masters Keep, and OF Birthday bourbon, but only if I can find them close to msrp. If I manage to find one of each, I'll most likely never but anything over $100 again except the Remus. And only buy it because of personal and sentimental reasons.
Stellum. I had an amazing store pick early last year. After that, I would buy regular Stellum bourbon, even though it wasn't as good as the store pick.
I’ve got batch 223 and 190 of the Magnus Cigar Blend. Paid Msrp for both luckily. More than worth it. I’ll not be doing it ever again. I’ve since set my limits at $120 and under. Even trying to be below $100 for the most part.
I always chuckle, when someone refers to collecting bourbon, wine, cigars, etc. I'm a whiskey drinker and a cigar smoker...so they don't "collect" 😉
Remember when WT was a brand known for putting out tasty whiskey at a value price?? I do.
Done with all Masters Keep, 13 year, and Rickhouse bottles!
What’s nice about UA-cam is you guys text a lot of these for us 🤣. Believe it or not I’ll go by a batch once a UA-camr with similar palate as mine says it’s good. It usually works out for me and I like it
If I had a UA-cam channel this big, and Patreon money backing it, I’d keep buying all these too.
Is there a list of tainted batches? I'm curious if my bottle is tainted lol
Really enjoy your shows and honesty and style. I just finished a JM Cigar 107 and it was delicious. Sorry yours and others you mention say it was tainted. So the Implication I sensed from you that all batch 107 is bad just ain’t so. Just could be my interpretation of your comment or my lack of real bourbon knowledge. All the best.
I seldom pay more than $100 for a bottle, but I really like Knob Creek 18 and will probably pony up for every release of it (msrp only)
I agree with you on the ET Lee. Opened one last night. Tasted good but didn’t have a lot of flavor.
Totally agree with you on ETL. Got mine at the Walmart for msrp. I love it in 7-up.
I came across an ETL, but I'm still not sure if I'll drink it and share it or trade it. The reviews on it are truly some of the most mixed I've ever seen.
Trade it. You can easily get a Blantons SFTB or EHTBP for an ETL. Much better bourbons than ETL.
@@jameslane9267 I'm not gonna lie... I have no idea where to trade. I'd love some recommendations, however.
MWND is $125. Bought two bottles in Park City last month. So it’s really not way off what it used to cost. Secondary market is to blame for the prices you are referring to.
MWND is $125 in Utah only. The MSRP for the rest of the country is $150.
Elmer when it was $19-21 was an excellent buy but at todays prices it’s not. I have batch Joseph Cigar blend batch 10,13,72,110 and 118… the best is batch 13! Not so high in proof but lots of flavor! If I see Joseph M Cigar Blend under 250 I will buy it. Four Gate is good but ASW, Rare Character, Nashville Barrel and Barrel King have bottles half the price of Four Gate that I (me) find them better… but I keep buying them 😂…
Ive been hunting the 13 ever since i had a glass of it last year, now i'm less excited about never finding it
Most of those are too high at MSRP, but the elmer is less than 40 MSRP in my area and it is worth 40. The rest are not even worth the MSRP price, even though they are pretty solid bottles. I love the joesph magnus cigar blend but its not worth 200. I am over paying those prices, especially when you can get really good bourbon for under 100 all day long. EC C923 for 60 is an awesome deal.
I've never had any so im safe. But one I am going to say that seems to be hyped and overrated and probably not worth the price is Old Carter. I've heard it's really good. And I'd like to try it. But is it $200+ good??
I buy 95% of my bottles @ S.R.P. I do buy a lot of 100-300 dollar bottles though.
Why would a distillery release a tainted product?
i bought 3 elmers for $90 each. opened one and traded one. still have one left unopened.
definitely not worth secondary.
That ETL is just crappier Blantons I don’t get paying a dollar over retail.
Nice topic…have 6 ETL all at 40-50 bucks…will not pay more because you can just go pick up a Rare Breed or even Green River at 30! Thanks
One of them that comes to mind is Yellowstone LE’s. Don’t like them but I get them every year.
Agree with the four gate. I can’t believe it’s in ppls top 10
We all tater at some point. I have plenty I buy that aren’t worth it but buy them to keep the home bar selection good
Blanton's for me. I'm not even sure I like it, but if a store has it close to MSRP I'm buying.
Widow Jane 10. I tell myself not enough proof and just too expensive between 60 and 70 bucks. But damn is it good.
Never bought the first 4, have bought a couple of 5, 6 & 8, no 7.
Was that a quality control issue with the cigar blend?
My Russel’s 13 cork broke too 😠
From Justified, "3 fingers of Elmer T" I just want to try it….
I basically don't pay over $150 a bottle. I refused to pay $100 for an Eagle/😢 Rare...mine was $65
I'm the same way with Bookers 😔
I agree Russel’s 13 is overrated. Only had it once and I don’t know which release but it wasn’t awesome
How was the Magnus Cigar Blend batch 107 tainted?
The Magi blended rye is a much better value nowadays than MWND. 107 proof and close to half the price
Thanks for saving me some money in the future.
For the most part, I won't buy any Buffalo Trace products out of spite. Oh you're gonna allocate all your bottles? See ya.
This was a good video
Good video
U guys are killing me😮pappy 23 paid $255 pappy 15 paid 150 and so on weller12(4) bottles 29.99 Elmer (3) bottles I paid 35.00 all the good stuff just sat on the self now everyone and their mother wants it now and your saying Elmer should be $75 😮
Grab another JMCB! Not overrated at all.
Old Forester makes it all. No need to go anywhere else,.........Unless it the JD single barrel proof........
There could be whiskey segments in both marketing and psychology classes lol
EVERYONE I've talked to who has tasted mid-winter's night dram has thought it was GREATLY over-rated.
If I don’t spend $150 plus I dont get the rush I crave
Definitely I passed on Midwinter’s more then 10 times. It’s not worth the price. Way Over Rated!
I thought for sure Blanton's would be one of the eight.
You gotta get that cork outta there.
FOMO, its real, its expensive and it's a problem like gambling. Personally I've just simplified my life with a few distilleries I love and enjoy their bourbons.
My prediction for 2024 is that being a bourbon lover in Canada will still suck
Really sad to Hear you pay such exorbitant prices for overrated bourbon. It goes to show that scotch will remain king. So much complexity and profiles vs the narrow profile of bourbon. Scotch prices have also Skyrocketed but your mainstream 10 or 12 yr Deanston/Glencadam/Bruichladdie/Bunnahabban/Arran deliver more than those "rare" bourbons
Is there a bourbon out there no matter what the cost is, he just absolutely die over it because it is so good. All you can think about is this one bourbon. Is there one out there?
Blend your blood oaths, call it Dave’s transfusion. Maybe you will have a discovery
jack daniels bonded probably tastes better and its pretty well a value bourbon
I really like some of the Jack Daniels, but I have not been able to fall in love with the bonded or triple mash. The bottled and bond you can get at some airport stores is really good though and then the single barrel barrel proofs are awesome.
5:55 What do you mean tainted? Whats tainted about it? Do they know its tainted? If so why are they selling it?
It kind of sounds like you have FOMO and like to get bottles for other reasons other than drinking the whiskey.
The EHT is waaaaay more embarrassing than the Blood Oath! Both pretty bad but EHT is almost laughable.
$100 is my limit. Anything over that and I’m going to be disappointed
Maybe you like them.....
MWND Act 10 was not great
And people wonder why the prices are crazy. Obsessive bourbon hunters.
What a bizarre video.