BREAKING NEWS: Local Pager Operator fired for complete ignorance of the fact THREE DIFFERENT HEISTERS were accessing two of the same pagers at once. Operator's words: "I was answering multiple pagers, each one kept cutting out in between."
Hahaha, he should ABSOLUTELY get fired for that! There's no way the situation isn't suspicious, but the poor guy is programmed to just sit there and continue accepting the answers :p It's really cool that pager juggling has been a thing since forever, and the OVERKILL devs seem to be fine with it! It's only used in very specific situations, but it's really fun to coordinate :)
@@adumbasswhoexists1217 This would make for a very interesting mechanic actually... imagine if PAYDAY 3 had male and female guards, and you had to answer the pager with a male/female heister to convince the pager operator. That would be kinda cool maybe! (of course this could only be applied to duo+ runs, otherwise it would be unfair for solo players... perhaps something for the highest difficulty? :p)
@@adumbasswhoexists1217 That's true yeah, overall it may not add much to the game, in terms of fun mechanics... perhaps only as an optional setting, for coordinated crews looking for the highest difficulty possible.
Pager operator: "What's going on there?" 2 Pagers: *Sounds of 3 persons speaking while juggling the pagers* Pager Operator: *"Understandable, have a nice day"*
He's not getting paid enough for this :p It would be so cool if the control responses played on repeat, together with the heister voice lines playing repeatedly :D
Thanks for joining me Blonde, it was really fun to plan and execute! Hope you had as much fun as I did :) One more off the list, indeed! There's still quite a few more that I want to take down :p
Hey again Fat CJ! Indeed, pager juggling is a technique that you don't see often, but it can be used on any heist, and it's a very useful skill to master for plan B situations! Have fun using it from now on -- it's really fun to coordinate with others :)
@@mauer1 Very true! Although Mallcrasher is generally easy with just 2-3 killed guards, so I rarely go for the juggling approach from the get-go. But when things go south in the middle of a stealth run, pager juggling until the helicopter arrives is a very powerful tool, and always my plan B! :)
Hahaha that's an interesting thought DUCK, there would indeed be a lot of bizarre reports coming from me, that's for sure :p Although as a player, I really have fun playing with these mechanics that were left in the game (oversights, or lack or "punishing coding") because they create very entertaining gameplay! :D
honestly? this seems like a good way to run car shop pugs with 4 mans - less risk of messing up stealth and easy as pie to complete! should get more folks to try this out!
Absolutely agree! This heist in particular is very short, so it would only save a few seconds at most, but it's definitely an approach that's less prone to mistakes, and it's also really fun for crews who enjoy ECM rushing heists. I definitely recommend trying it out! :)
This heist can be done solo in less than 5 minutes in full stealth, so whit 4 people it's better to just have one guy do everything while the rest just wait to get the keys and drive out, it's not gonna be the most fun experience, but it's the most effective.
it definitely used to be ecm rushable. we did it quite a few times when the heist was new. without any pager-juggling. the hack definitely went through during the ecm back then
This is 100% correct, Jürg! The heist used to be a very simple ECM rush, and thus they decided to modify the computer so that the hack is interrupted by the ECM effect.
Absolutely agree, Onthrax! I respect the devs for adding anti-ECM rush mechanics, but it's a lot of fun to look for ways around them! And at the end of the day it's just more strategies, and more content to enjoy, so I feel like this is absolutely fine! :p
just imagine being pager operator in this situation *click!* "uh oh..." *grave silence for next 5 seconds* *click!* "the number yo--" *grave silence for next 5 seconds* *same thing for next minute or so* pager operator: nothing suspicious here! also, you sure didn't mythbust car shop too much? i can see you duping 5th car in a month...
Haha yeah, it's surprising that such a thing is not suspicious, but pager juggling has been in the game for so long, that I guess the devs are okay with this! I've been doing a lot of Car Shop mythbusting lately yeah, although two of those videos were mainly solo-focused so I wanted to make one for crew strategies too :p I don't have any more Car Shop ideas for now, so the next mythbusting is guaranteed to be for a different heist! :D
@@mehdikamen355 I may do that, Cheese Addict! It would be considerably easier than Car Shop, considering that there's no mechanics to stop the rush, so it's all about proper pocket ECM chaining :p
I didn't think ECM rushing Car Shop was a thing holy crap! Another amazing guide (and mythbusting of course) by you Marcmb! Edit: finished watching, desync does suck but didn't know it could prevent you from securing the car!
Hey Sky! Glad you liked the mythbusting video, thank you! :) The heist is indeed designed to be impossible to ECM rush, however with the very basic trick of pager juggling, it can be reliably ECM rushed, which is fun to do every now and then! :p And the desync at the very end was very weird yeah, it's the first time I've seen that happening!
@@Marcmb Same on that desync bit, might have to abuse that pager juggling with a few friends since that could be a pretty good farming strategy if set up right :D
@@skystriker1408 Absolutely! I've considered making a short video in the future, explaining just the basics of pager juggling, its limitations, and its uses (so that players can watch a short video, to learn about that skill). In my opinion, it's a very useful skill that everyone should learn for plan B situations, and it's also really fun to coordinate! :)
@@Marcmb YES! Please! I think it could really be an interesting guide like the saw one was! (I loved the saw guide so much) Also while I'm here I have a question: How do you get 4 pagers instead of just three?
@@skystriker1408 Awesome! Good to hear that you like that idea, thanks for the feedback! I'll increase the priority of that video then, and think about everything that I want to mention, and a good script to explain everything in a clear way. As for the 4 pagers we get at the beginning of the rush, this would be very easy with a 4-man crew (each player would just answer 1 pager, and then we would start the rush). However, since we did this with the minimum number of heisters possible (3), one of us (Blonde in this case) starts answering his pager as soon as possible, so that he can reliably answer a 2nd pager after finishing the 1st. We delay the 5th and 6th pagers using ECMs, because those are the ones that won't be accepted by the pager operator, and the rest of the strategy is quite easy! :)
Oooh amazing! I totally didn't notice, but that's an amazing comparison! I guess to make it 100% accurate, the player currently answering a pager would have to let go before the next heister arrives (which would sound the alarm sadly), but other than that, the movements are really really accurate! :D 10/10 analogy!
Hahaha, it's also quite fitting due to the nature of this video, so I can see why you made the connection :p Glad you liked the video Niicko, thank you! :)
It really is a lot of fun! It requires a small amount of coordination, and it's very rewarding. Overall, it's a very simple skill, which I feel like everyone should know (and easily master) because it's very useful for any plan B situation :p
You just brought back memories from playing on PS3 when I saw you guys jiggling the pagers. Awesome you’re showing this because I try to explain this to some back then and they wouldn’t get it 😂 some heist have to make sure it’s done off cameras if they don’t have security rooms like Framing Frame day 3 we used to get one guard stuck with the drill and key card method then the last one we make sure it’s on the roof when we jiggle the pager so it’s closer to escape so we could take all the gold speed run style without ECM
Hey Yadiel! For some reason I have the same experience: back in the day, players used to do pager juggling a lot, but nowadays it's something that you very rarely see :p Hopefully it can recover a bit of its old popularity! Nowadays when ECM rushing Framing Frame, I like starting the rush at the very beginning, and using pocket ECMs to extend the rush time from 4m to 6m, which gives enough time to secure all the gold even if you started the rush as soon as the heist began :p
Absolutely, Ace of Spades! It's still really fun, and they're slowly adding new DLC while taking their time developing PAYDAY 3 (announced to come out 2022-23). Definitely still a great game! :D
Absolutely, darkdragon! But that's one of the easiest ones, so for now I'm doing other ECM rushes which are trickier for different reasons. However, I'm considering doing Shadow Raid in the future mainly as an introduction to players looking to learn how to ECM rush properly!
Haha thank you Lzk, I'm glad you're enjoying the content!!! I'm very happy to be where I am -- many more subscribers than I ever expected, and many heisters looking forward to what I teach in my weekly content! :)
Thanks petersmybro, glad you liked it! :D The game still has a lot of unexplored content, so I'm doing my best to go through all of that, while also revisiting the usual things and sharing my approach for those :)
A really good video even tough it's probably just a fun fact and wont be used because it makes things alot more inconvinient.. But as always, thanks for expanding the community knowledge about the game. Detailed and awesome work!
Thanks Martin, glad you liked this one! :D This strategy is definitely very unusual (as usual, haha), but it's actually on the easy side: pager juggling is quite easy to do, so for a crew that enjoys ECM rushing, this would probably be faster than a regular Car Shop run! Not very useful, but entertaining to play the heist in a different way, as you mention! :p
That's exactly right, Zaamy boy! It's a very cool trick to use if you're playing with a crew of 3: if you're about to finish a stealth heist, but for whatever reason you make a mistake and kill a 5th guard, you can designate 2 players to juggle that pager, while the 3rd player finishes the stealth objectives, and then you escape :) And it could even be used duo too, with very good coordination (and if the two players are fast enough to progress with the objectives before getting back to the pager to continue juggling) :p
Thanks Wrld dasher! Glad you're enjoying the content, much appreciated! And good luck in your content-making journey, make sure you have fun with it! :D
Thanks gryzio! It's a situation that comes up quite often in unorganized lobbies: someone gets spotted by a guard, and the situation gets out of control (everyone becomes alerted), and if you try to ECM rush, suddenly the hack stops and you can't complete the heist anymore! Glad you're enjoying the videos, thank you! :D
Nice ecm rush strategy, as always! I wouldn't really recommend this strategy for non cs versions though, I can typically get the computer hacked around the 2:30ish mark when i'm traditionally stealthing this one. Car shop is quite an easy stealthable heist once you learn all the nooks and crannies of it, I recommend players master this one as there's quite a lot of cover and the car race is always fun.
Thanks M3L0, glad you liked this one! This heist is indeed very easy when played regularly, so an optimized ECM rush can only save a few seconds at most: the rush is definitely not the optimal way to play the heist, so I only recommend it for crews who like ECM rushing and are interested in trying this one out :p Although I guess it would be nice to always keep this option in mind, for regular stealth runs that go south at some point!
Thank you Alex! Glad you liked this one :) This strategy in particular is quite easy, if you wanna try it yourself with a crew! :p It should work on console too, I'm 99% sure!
Thanks Nosgard! I'm not sure why, but my experience is the same: pager juggling used to be very common back in the day, but I haven't seen it in a long time!
Thank you Jackgamer, I appreciate that! I do want to say however, that the channel has grown A LOT since I started, so I'm very happy to be where I am, and I couldn't ask for more! Glad to hear that you're enjoying the videos though :D
Hey again darkdragon! My HUD is a combination of _PocoHud3_ and _Additional PocoHud trackers._ The former is responsible for the ECM timers, as well as the floating timers for drills, time locks, hacks, pagers... (whenever they are present). It also includes other on-screen numbers such as: FPS meter, IRL clock, levels right next to player names, and some numbers for each player which are "Kills | Jokered enemies | Current downs | Maximum downs (before custody)". As for the latter, _Additional PocoHud trackers,_ I mainly use it for the 3.5s countdown before Sixth sense triggers, but it will also show you trackers for all kinds of things (any skill which has a duration or cooldown). Both are highly customizable so everything can be toggled on and off, depending on what you want! Since you asked, download links, together with install instructions, can be found here! steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/
@@Marcmb Thank you so much! By the way, I love your videos! Good luck on ECM-rushing other heists. I've finished big bank on DS loud today, and it's a great achievement to me because i've never really won a DS loud heist. I always die at the end or straight up in the middle of the heist
@@death1nsurance440 Thanks a lot darkdragon, glad you're enjoying the content, and the ECM rushes too!! :) Well done on that Big Bank DS loud clear! It's much easier when stealthing (loud DS can be very punishing at times), so congratulations on completing that! :p
Did you guys feel any pressure in doing this? And did you practice or not? I totally want to do this next time I'm going to play Car Shop, but will be be doable with randoms?
I would say this one is actually very easy, and very straightforward. With just a bit of coordination, I feel like it should be possible with any group of heisters! We did plan it quite a bit (because it was the first time such a strategy had been attempted), mainly to be able to reliably answer the first 4 pagers, and have the final 2 pagers close to each other, but the rest is absurdly easy! So almost zero pressure, and not a lot of practice needed! Also note, that with a full crew it would be even easier, because each heister just has to kill 1 guard, and when all 4 pagers are active just start an ECM chain. Plus if you have 2 heisters to juggle each of the 2 remaining pagers, you don't have to worry about the 2 corpses being close to each other. If the 4 heisters have a general idea of what's going to happen (by looking for an explanation, or watching the video) it should be very smooth with any crew!
Hey Matthys! I appreciate that a lot, hope you enjoyed the video! *NOW however, stop watching videos and make sure you're ready for the tests!!!* And good luck with your tests tomorrow, hopefully they go just fine! :)
@@cloaker2813 Nice! That means that you're a good learner just from your classes, but even then I would say it's still good to review your material briefly and make sure you're ready to get a 100/100! :p
@@cloaker2813 brooo fr I got 90% for my maths lol and I didn't even know what to study...I went to the teacher like the period before the test and asked her what to study and she told me without a care bc she knows I'm her A student.
Hey Diego! I appreciate that a lot, thank you very much! PAYDAY 2 is also one of my favorite games, easily the one I enjoy the most. I'm having a lot of fun making content about this game, so I'm glad you're loving it! Really big thank you :p
@@DiegoGarcia-nv1ou PAYDAY 3 is easily going to be game of the year whenever it comes out. The current game has thousands of concurrent players every day (even though it has been out for a really long time, and many players are already done with all the content), but the amount of people that own PAYDAY 2 on Steam is insane! I'm really looking forward to PAYDAY 3 on 2022-23 :) Oh and thanks for the compliment! I'm glad that you think so, and that you're enjoying my content :)
Jugling POPC(Pager Operator Phone Call) it should be like this:Still make the same thing with the PO(Pager Operator) until the other player ends placing the C4 and delay it as much as possible with two crew players stealing cars and then let the PO sound the alarm and then have a lot of time left when you have to escape! Perfect plan, make a video trying it to see if i'm right:D, i always wanted to have an idea for you to try out:)
Hey juan! If you rewatch this video in particular, you will see that we were only a crew of 3, which means that juggling 2 pagers is impossible as soon as one of us leaves to place the C4 :p But as I mentioned in text at 3:33, a 4th heister would make what you describe possible, and it would also be an interesting video, just to show how much easier it becomes!
Question, what would happen if you placed another ecm down while the other two were juggling? would that pause the pager like normal and you can stop juggling or nah since its been started?
Hey Ze Pig Man! As you guessed, once a pager has gone off, there's no way to further delay it by using ECMs. Once the juggling starts, it can only be ended by sounding the alarm (either by completing the pager answer, or letting go of the pager).
Alright, thanks! It has been a while since I last played pd2 so I wasn't sure. If you want an idea, I left around the time the safe debacle occurred (and was kind of resolved by making them free for future safes).
@@zepigman2831 I see! That was a LONG time ago, indeed. Luckily it was resolved very quickly, as they realized that adding P2W advantages would never be accepted by the community. If you still like the idea of a "heisting simulator", feel free to try the game again one of these days. It has a lot of new content, and it's still really fun! :)
Hey ARIF! I'm pretty sure pager juggling has never been fixed, as far as I know! I've seen it used recently on Yacht Heist, First World Bank, Car Shop... it definitely seems to work on any heist!
Hmm, thats weird, i thought if theres two person answered a pager, if the person who got the pager first release the interaction, the heist will go loud, thats what I thought all this time 😂 Well, great video, love it
@@AREPBOSS Now you know! Have fun using this very fun mechanic :p I think it was programmed like this so that, in situations where both heisters start answering the same pager by mistake, any of the two can choose to let go of the pager and do something else.
@@mfr3641 Nice! PAYDAY2 was also my only game for a very long time (until I reached about 2K hours) and then I took a break from it for about a year. However, there aren't other games with this kind of co-op stealth gameplay, especially centered around heisting, so eventually I came back :p
Hey there, TheCakeIsNotLie! I really like explaining that kind of thing, but generally I include that as a section of a full stealth guide for a particular heist. For example, in my White House stealth guide I mentioned the best trip mine locations (showing screenshots of common guard waypoints), same for Alesso... this means that I'll do the same for FF day3, but I'm not sure about doing all heists in a single video... maybe in the future, as a compilation of all "trip mine" sections for each individual video? Good suggestion though, thank you! I'm definitely writing this one down :)
Hey Payday 2 Walkthroughs! Very good question. However, that depends on each specific heist, so it's not something that can be answered with a general answer. In the case of Santa's Workshop, the heist is scripted to go loud shortly after any of the gangsters dies or becomes alerted. Counterfeit, for example, also has very bizarre "scripted assault" rules, which allow you to fully stealth the heist with some AI manipulation (video here if you haven't seen it: ua-cam.com/video/O7qaPho8O6A/v-deo.html ).
At first, i thought you were walking into the carshop and was wondering why the guards werent getting suspicious...But you're in freecam. It took me 2 seconds to figure that out.
Hahaha I wonder how they would react if they saw this one! Glad you liked the concept, Nuke, and feel free to try it yourself if you find a crew that enjoys ECM rushing! :)
Hey man, you seem to know a lot about Payday 2, so i wanted to know if you can answer a question i have? I 100% understand if you don't know the answer. Anyways, there is an achievement called "Completely Overkill" or something like that. What you need to do to get that achievement is; complete all heists on Overkill. I was wondering if you need to complete DLC heists to get that achievement? And also what heists do you need to complete to get that achievement? There have come out a lot of non-DLC heists over the years way after that achievement existed - do you need to complete those heists too? Thank you!
Hey Spicy boi! DLC, non-DLC, and all new heists are included, yes, but you can join public lobbies for that heist even if you don't own the DLC: you just need someone else hosting it (generally public, open lobbies). This will count towards your achievement as long as you're present starting from the "Preplanning/Assets/Ready-up" section (i.e., before the heist begins, or after a restart). This means that if you got your difficulty mask 5 years ago, you would have needed to complete perhaps only 40 heists. But if you want to get it today, you need to complete those 40 heists plus the 30 new heists. If I remember correctly, heists from the "EVENTS" contractor weren't included in the list of requirements back in the day. Nowadays, you can just go to your "ACHIEVEMENTS" menu ingame, look for the difficulty mask achievement, and it will give you an exact list of which heists you're missing for that achievement.
And here my buddies and I seem to have problems going about stealthing this normally (despite the fact I can solo this on mayhem just fine). Time to get the gang together again and teach them the art of the ecm rush.
Good luck with it, Xstriker! For some crews it's easier to coordinate ECM rushes, because your success comes down to coordination, and player skill, without worrying about things like desync, chain reactions, etc. Good luck with your attempts, and hopefully you'll enjoy the strategy! :)
There are a few tricks you can do while driving, yeah! I really love the driving controls in this game (and the driving sections in general), even though that seems to be an unpopular opinion :(
Haha true! Poor guy just chose to stop at the worst possible spot. While it makes sense to surrender and drop to the ground, doing that in the middle of the road (especially between shop and escape point) isn't the brightest move :p
Hey Peachy! That's _PocoHUD3,_ and _Additional PocoHud trackers._ The former is responsible for the ECM timers, as well as the floating timers for drills, time locks, hacks, pagers... (whenever they are present). It also includes other on-screen numbers such as: FPS meter, IRL clock... As for the latter, _Additional PocoHud trackers,_ I mainly use it for the 3.5s countdown before Sixth sense triggers, but it will also show you trackers for all kinds of things (any skill which has a duration or cooldown). Both are highly customizable so everything can be toggled on and off, depending on what you want! If you want to try them out for yourself, I have a Steam post with download links, and install instructions (as well as my specific mod settings), which you can find here! steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/ Alternatively, there are much simpler mods that include only the ECM timer: modworkshop.net/mod/26652 (follow install instructions above)
Absolutely! I believe this is the only way, as far as I know. Hacking the wrong one will instantly trigger the alarm (point of no return), so trying randomly is unlikely to succeed! As far as I know, there aren't any other indicators for the right computer. It would be cool if there were though! Hope you liked the rush :) Thank you for watching, Nop vlogs!
Hey SpeedBoostMan! That's definitely one that I want to make in the future, because it's a bit different than regular ECM rushes (you have to first open the train wagons, then start the rush). Thank you for the suggestion! :)
Hey Diego! Unfortunately, we've already answered 4 pagers, so answering an additional one would cause the alarm to instantly go off. However, if you had a 4th player, he could easily place all the C4, while the other 3 players continue juggling the pagers :)
Hey ConeMax! It's absolutely very useful, and it's being displayed by two HUD mods: _PocoHUD3,_ and _Additional PocoHud trackers._ The former is responsible for the ECM timers, as well as the floating timers for drills, time locks, hacks, pagers... (whenever they are present). It also includes other on-screen numbers such as: FPS meter, IRL clock... As for the latter, _Additional PocoHud trackers,_ I mainly use it for the 3.5s countdown before Sixth sense triggers, but it will also show you trackers for all kinds of things (any skill which has a duration or cooldown). Both are highly customizable so everything can be toggled on and off, depending on what you want! If you want to try them out for yourself, I have a Steam post with download links, and install instructions (as well as my specific mod settings), which you can find here! steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/
@@Marcmb Thank you for taking the time to answer me thats really nice of you👍And i will definitely download those mods.I wish you happy end of year holidays 🎅🎄🍾
juggling pagers are quite useful really! but unfortunately its hard to do in pub cause there are many players doesn't know about it. but it still worth a try then just pressing restart : )
Hey there Lo0, no worries! It was a very long video, so I think people will just watch it when they require the help with Border Crossing, or want to learn a little bit more about the details :) Glad you liked this one though, thank you very much! :p
@@Marcmb I watched last vid after finishing that one. It was massive learn a lot, I was doing day ago Train heist (this with tf2 turret) with my brother and it amazing experience with silence saw trick. P.S. I got to go to sleep its 12:46 am.
@@lo039 Nice, thank you for watching that one too! Glad you enjoyed it :) And the saw trick is indeed very useful, and can be used on many many heists!
Oh hey there Xanaguy! I recognize your name :D I saw some videos a few months ago (from Unknown Knight I think) where you used that trick to ECM rush the Golden Grin, Car Shop, etc. It was definitely much more straightforward than this! But I guess the devs considered it a glitch and removed it :(
Hey Clone Boi! There are definitely a few heists that are clearly better than others for XP, indeed. I have some videos covering some of those heists, although I generally separate "good heists for XP" and "good heists for money", since each one has very clear winners!
Thats looks so fun, if only I had friends like Marcmb that were actually decent at the game. feelsbadman 🥲 I have a myth suggestion, can you achieve infinite ammo if you use the bulletstorm perk by replenishing 1 bullet, shooting with the effect on, then replenishing 1 bullet again in that cycle of events?
Hey BanzJo! The game does indeed become a lot more fun when you have experienced heisters to attempt this kind of stuff. That's why continuing to play the game, and improving in different aspects while finding other players who enjoy the same is so rewarding in PAYDAY2! :D As for your question, that would be very interesting if it could be done! Unfortunately, any bullets that you use during the bulletstorm effect will not lower your ammo count, preventing you from using the ammo bag again to re-activate bulletstorm. Thus, since the only way to gain the buff again is by using up some ammo to be able to interact with the ammo bag, the buff itself becomes limited by the fact that the ammo bag will eventually run out!
Good question Aurél! THE Diamond can be ECM rushed, indeed, and it's a very short heist so it's quite easy. Diamond Heist however, has TWO different anti-ECM rush mechanics, at two different points in the heist: the code panel at the end becomes jammed under the effect of an ECM, but also the two boxes that you have to hack at the beginning will be paused if you place an ECM. So that one may be the hardest one to ECM rush!
This is my plan for car shop 1. find the manager and get uts keycard 2. hack the pc so I can get the keys 3. planting c4 so I can have an scape 4. driving the car and secure it 5. go home and play payday
Hey João! Those timers are all displayed by my HUD, which is a combination of _PocoHud3_ and _Additional PocoHud trackers._ The former is responsible for the ECM timers, as well as the floating timers for drills, time locks, hacks, pagers... (whenever they are present). It also includes other on-screen numbers such as: FPS meter, IRL clock, levels right next to player names, and some numbers for each player which are "Kills | Jokered enemies | Current downs | Maximum downs (before custody)". As for the latter, _Additional PocoHud trackers,_ I mainly use it for the 3.5s countdown before Sixth sense triggers, but it will also show you trackers for all kinds of things (any skill which has a duration or cooldown). Both are highly customizable so everything can be toggled on and off, depending on what you want! If you want to try them out for yourself, I have a Steam post with download links, and install instructions (as well as my specific mod settings), which you can find here! steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/
The answer will always be yes before i even see the video. because that's you. I'd love to see a mod/heist or a whole game designed by you. Oh one more thing, would love to hear your voice narrate or at least use a nice quality text to speech voice.
Haha thanks Ryan! I'm glad that's your opinion about my projects, much appreciated! There are some custom heists out there that are really entertaining... sometimes I think that it would be nice to learn how to make them, and design one myself! :D Oh and as for the last thing, I am planning on including voice-over (together with the text-based explanations) to some videos at some point, but I'm still not sure how I'm gonna do it! :p
@@RyanJosepher Yup, this is definitely good advice, and it's what I usually do! It helps getting things done, in the best possible quality/efficiency, without getting distracted by other projects!
I had once experienced the parking desync where it appeared not parked properly, but summary said the car was secured. Later I found out when the car is secured, there won't be drive the car prompt anymore, in that run I experienced the issue, I thought my car hit the entrance of container and got bugged(I exit the car while it is moving in), couldn't be driven anymore. Also we had 4 ppl and summary says we had 3 cars, but later other player confirmed that they took a seat in someone else's car, which means my car was secured.
Interesting! For me this was the first time I had this happen, and you can see in the video I'm so disoriented that, after exiting the vehicle, I walk INTO the container rather than going OUT of it :D Luckily the car does count as secured, indeed. You can see that in two ways (before end screen): the driving interaction disappearing, and also the white loot drop-off zone disappearing. Quite glad to have this on video, since it's been so rare from my perspective! :p
Hey Leandro! That's _PocoHUD3,_ combined with _Additional PocoHud trackers._ If you're interested, I have a Steam post with download links, and install instructions (as well as my specific mod settings), which you can find here! steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/
I really like doing my own version which I call "Car Shop Loud" and I really like saying we're gonna do Car Shop loud to veterans and then suprising them, it takes advantage of RNG Modifier so I always know the right computer, its as easy as walking straightup to the first guard, going up the stairs and smashing the managers glass, you can get in and step out instantly just to activate the computers, do so and ready up the C4 in the time it's hacking, when the door opens you still got about a minute to finish the driving, its only possible upto Very Hard but I bet if optimized well or changed a little it can go upto Overkill or Mayhem
Hey L L! That's a very enjoyable way to do Car Shop on lower difficulties yeah :p For the lowest difficulties, the point of no return has a timer of 4 minutes, so you can do it even without RNG modifier. As for the highest difficulties, you need exactly 66 seconds for the driving section when fully optimized, so there are some interesting tricks that you can pull off to rush the heist in unusual ways! :p
@@Marcmb 66 seconds? That seems totally possible on at least Overkill not sure about Mayhem, when finishing on very hard it's usually 3-4 sec left so I could totally do it by abusing bot interaction speed buffs+yakuza speed buff+ broken armor speed buff, maybe since im getting discovered as soon as I enter I could use a grenade launcher instead of molotovs to get yakuza+broken armor faster too. Ill try this next time! By the way, really appreciate you replying to comments! it's something you just can't get watching bigger channels and ill be sad to see it go once you get blow up.
@@LL-yd8zz Aww thank you, very kind of you! I'll do my best to keep replying to every single comment :p Getting so many nice comments, great questions, and feedback, is the best part of uploading my content to YT :) But it may indeed become a bit problematic if the number of comments gets very very large -- hopefully I'll be able to keep up :D As for all these skills you mention to make the Car Shop rush even faster, these are all very useful ideas! I recommend checking out the fastest WR runs too :) It's very different from regular gameplay, because they play very planned routes with RNG modifier, but you can get some crazy ideas from watching them! For example they even use the "Running from Death" speed boost to make the run to the car even faster :D
Hey Sxar! That's the Locomotive 12G, a very useful stealth shotgun. I personally always use it because it looks really nice, and it can also change a lot (visually, from a 1st player perspective) depending on the mods you use. If you want to reproduce this exact look, here's the list of mods that I use (probably the most common stealth Loco setup): · BARREL EXT: The Silent Killer Supressor. · GADGET: LED Combo. (if you don't have enough concealment, you can switch this one for a Compact Laser Module -- or just remove the gadget) · GRIP: Straight Grip. · MAGAZINE: Extended Magazine. · STOCK: Tactical Shorty Stock. · AMMUNITION: 000 Buckshot. · BOOST: Team Boost. · SKIN: the new "Crypto" color that was obtained from the now removed LockeBreacher puzzle -- the settings I chose for the color are Paint Scheme: Inverted; Wear: Mint-Condition; Pattern Scale: Medium!
Marcmb aha ty so much it’s been in my head for quite sometime at first I thought it was cloud dasher but I realized he only used the judge and then hallelujah your video was recommended to me again and once again I’m glad you took the time to write down the attachments as well
That's right, White Rabbit! I respect the devs for adding anti-ECM rush mechanics, but I want to find ways around them (for each of these "no ECM-rush" heists), and make a full list of impossible ECM rushes :p
@@dewhiterabbit1337 I make sure to upload on my free day, and sit in front of the computer for a while right after uploading so that I can answer all comments without missing a single one haha :D
Hey Jacer! You absolutely can, yes, and that's in fact the strategy used for the _"Gone in 240s"_ achievement, on Normal difficulty. However, if you attempt it on DSOD difficulty, the point of no return will be only 120s, and the heist will fail! :(
That would be amazing! Car Shop is one of my favorite heists, and Meltdown is very enjoyable too, although sadly it's loud-only. Driving heists aren't liked by everyone, but they are easily among my favorites! :D
Thanks Greefoon, glad you liked it! In my opinion, among the "cheesy" ECM rushes, Car Shop is the easiest one. With 4 players, each heister can just answer 1 pager, and the final two can easily be juggled by 2 players each, with almost no difficulty at all. If you ever find a full lobby of players who enjoy ECM rushing, you can suggest this one, and it should be quite easy! :p
Hey SlaM! That would work for lower difficulties, but for DSOD the point of no return is only 120 seconds: with 66s (or more) being used in the hack, such strategies are absolutely unviable for DSOD!
I managed to ECM rush the heist by throwing down an ECM right at the front door, finding the name and PC, then waiting for the ECM to finish to hack it. The method made me almost last second the heist, but it is possible. Note: I did this solo. Doing this with other players is probably torture.
Hey Leo! That does sound like a run that would end with very tight timing, indeed! The moment the alarm goes off, you have exactly 120s to reach the end. The alarm goes off about 12-13s after the ECM ends, and the hack takes 61.5s (solo with bots) to finish (from the moment the ECM ends, too). Thus, you end up with ~71.5s to get the keys, get to the car, and get to the escape! It definitely sounds possible (about 65-66s for the driving), but it would be quite close *for sure!* I remember having tried this in the past, but I don't think I ever managed to do it! So congratulations on pulling it off! :p I may try again in the near future, whenever I have some time :D
Haha, hey Mot! That's one technically correct way to describe it :p The heist, indeed, doesn't really need any tricks to make it easier (because it's generally quite easy), and the ECM rush can only save a few seconds at most. However, considering how easy pager juggling is, I would say this one could be feasible for a crew that enjoys ECM rushing, as a reliable and unconventional way to complete the heist! :D
Marcmb Yep-always enjoy this content~ And I love how while you work on videos for stealthable heists, me and carrot and kingishking are working on a steam guide fo the loud only heists. It feels nice knowing the community is at least a little bit rekindled-
@@Mot-dh5sx Thanks Mot! I appreciate that a lot :) It's very nice to see that the community is still very active, making all kinds of content. Plus, the response by the community is always very good! Looking forward to that guide, I'm sure it's gonna be very good :p
Hey there Snek! This one's very important, indeed! No breaking windows, and no letting the cops shoot the windows either. So many Car Shop runs fail because of this!!
@@benyammiinn Absolutely, I'm enjoying the reviews! If there's ever something bad (or something that could be improved), feel free to mention that too! All kinds of feedback are always greatly appreciated :)
Hey Danny! It's kinda possible, yeah! Usually there's less than 5 guards on that heist, so you could start an ECM chain, kill all guards and control the civilians, and also answer the pagers. Then you could finish the drills without worrying about anything, even if the ECM runs out (similar to how you would ECM rush the regular Bank Heist). If there's 5 or more guards, it would be impossible to rush solo, but very easy with a full crew :p However, that heist is so simple, that such things are often not considered! :D
Hi Jannis! Pagers do indeed go off, sounding the alarm, the moment you let go of F... UNLESS, there's another heister answering that same pager. It's a mechanic designed to prevent problems when multiple heisters click on the same pager, but it can be abused like this :)
Hey Joe! It's essentially just my HUD mods, which are a combination of _PocoHud3_ and _Additional PocoHud trackers._ The former is responsible for the ECM timers, as well as the floating timers for drills, time locks, hacks, pagers... (whenever they are present). It also includes other on-screen numbers such as: FPS meter, IRL clock, levels right next to player names, and some numbers for each player which are "Kills | Jokered enemies | Current downs | Maximum downs (before custody)". As for the latter, _Additional PocoHud trackers,_ I mainly use it for the 3.5s countdown before Sixth sense triggers, but it will also show you trackers for all kinds of things (any skill which has a duration or cooldown). Both are highly customizable so everything can be toggled on and off, depending on what you want! If you would like some help finding the download links, or install instructions, you can find all that here! steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/
Hey Dfuse! My HUD is just a combination of _PocoHud3_ and _Additional PocoHud trackers._ The former is responsible for the ECM timers, as well as the floating timers for drills, time locks, hacks, pagers... (whenever they are present). It also includes other on-screen numbers such as: FPS meter, IRL clock, levels right next to player names, and some numbers for each player which are "Kills | Jokered enemies | Current downs | Maximum downs (before custody)". As for the latter, _Additional PocoHud trackers,_ I mainly use it for the 3.5s countdown before Sixth sense triggers, but it will also show you trackers for all kinds of things (any skill which has a duration or cooldown). Both are highly customizable so everything can be toggled on and off, depending on what you want! If you would like to try it out yourself, I have a post with all my HUD settings, download links, and install instructions here :) steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/
jacket:*stands infront of guard* guard: huh whats that? gotta take my glasses also guard: wait a minute THAT GUY HAS SUNGLA- jacket:*kills guard* pager guy: i had a vision that a guard was shoot by a man whit glasses, gotta check pager guy: is anything fine down there? jacket answering: this number isn’t available right now press 1 to die or press 2 to cringe *also jacket letting pager of in the last mil second * pager guy: YOOO WTH!?! I AM DOIN THE ALARMS dallas:*kills every civ * *mission lost* bain: oh fuq my fault what have i done its not your fault bain ;( poor bain thinking he did bad even tho we are the losers
Indeed! It will work on any heist, and it's very useful whenever you reach the pager limit. Very useful skill to master for plan B situations, and very fun to coordinate! :)
Hey Viter! It's definitely very useful, especially when stealthing. The HUD is a combination of _PocoHud3_ and _Additional PocoHud trackers._ The former is responsible for the ECM timers, as well as the floating timers for drills, time locks, hacks, pagers... (whenever they are present). It also includes other on-screen numbers such as: FPS meter, IRL clock, levels right next to player names, and some numbers for each player which are "Kills | Jokered enemies | Current downs | Maximum downs (before custody)". As for the latter, _Additional PocoHud trackers,_ I mainly use it for the 3.5s countdown before Sixth sense triggers, but it will also show you trackers for all kinds of things (any skill which has a duration or cooldown). Both are highly customizable so everything can be toggled on and off, depending on what you want! If you want to try them out for yourself, I have a Steam post with download links, and install instructions (as well as my specific mod settings), which you can find here! steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/
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BREAKING NEWS: Local Pager Operator fired for complete ignorance of the fact THREE DIFFERENT HEISTERS were accessing two of the same pagers at once. Operator's words: "I was answering multiple pagers, each one kept cutting out in between."
Hahaha, he should ABSOLUTELY get fired for that! There's no way the situation isn't suspicious, but the poor guy is programmed to just sit there and continue accepting the answers :p It's really cool that pager juggling has been a thing since forever, and the OVERKILL devs seem to be fine with it! It's only used in very specific situations, but it's really fun to coordinate :)
“A female answered the pager, no female guards are on duty. Ehh whatever not my business”
@@adumbasswhoexists1217 This would make for a very interesting mechanic actually... imagine if PAYDAY 3 had male and female guards, and you had to answer the pager with a male/female heister to convince the pager operator. That would be kinda cool maybe! (of course this could only be applied to duo+ runs, otherwise it would be unfair for solo players... perhaps something for the highest difficulty? :p)
Yeah it would be interesting but a bit frustrating if they were opposite from you and blocking an objective
@@adumbasswhoexists1217 That's true yeah, overall it may not add much to the game, in terms of fun mechanics... perhaps only as an optional setting, for coordinated crews looking for the highest difficulty possible.
Pager operator: "What's going on there?"
2 Pagers: *Sounds of 3 persons speaking while juggling the pagers*
Pager Operator: *"Understandable, have a nice day"*
He's not getting paid enough for this :p It would be so cool if the control responses played on repeat, together with the heister voice lines playing repeatedly :D
This was loads of fun to record, thanks for having me Marc!. 1 more off the list of “impossible ecm rushes”
Thanks for joining me Blonde, it was really fun to plan and execute! Hope you had as much fun as I did :)
One more off the list, indeed! There's still quite a few more that I want to take down :p
If only the Pager operator wasn’t on minimum wage to care about how many people where answering the pagers
Haha yeah! The pager operator just doesn't care at all, he's not getting paid enough for this :p
the "ok thats great" line sounds like enough to prove he doesnt want to work rn
The fact that you can delay the alarm by replacing a person that already answers the pager blows my mind, because I didn't know it myself.
Hey again Fat CJ! Indeed, pager juggling is a technique that you don't see often, but it can be used on any heist, and it's a very useful skill to master for plan B situations! Have fun using it from now on -- it's really fun to coordinate with others :)
@@Marcmb yeah mallcrusher would be easy with pager juggling aswell, as there are only 5 pager guards.
@@mauer1 Very true! Although Mallcrasher is generally easy with just 2-3 killed guards, so I rarely go for the juggling approach from the get-go. But when things go south in the middle of a stealth run, pager juggling until the helicopter arrives is a very powerful tool, and always my plan B! :)
@@Marcmb so you can go for the golden grin casino camera room and juggle the fifth pager?
@@philipsd-b487 Hey Der Schröder! It will work on any heist, yes! The possibilities are endless!
if this guy was in playtesting team at ovkl, Payday 2 would never leave alpha
Hahaha that's an interesting thought DUCK, there would indeed be a lot of bizarre reports coming from me, that's for sure :p
Although as a player, I really have fun playing with these mechanics that were left in the game (oversights, or lack or "punishing coding") because they create very entertaining gameplay! :D
honestly? this seems like a good way to run car shop pugs with 4 mans - less risk of messing up stealth and easy as pie to complete! should get more folks to try this out!
Absolutely agree! This heist in particular is very short, so it would only save a few seconds at most, but it's definitely an approach that's less prone to mistakes, and it's also really fun for crews who enjoy ECM rushing heists. I definitely recommend trying it out! :)
This heist can be done solo in less than 5 minutes in full stealth, so whit 4 people it's better to just have one guy do everything while the rest just wait to get the keys and drive out, it's not gonna be the most fun experience, but it's the most effective.
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Haha it does feel like that yeah, I really appreciate that! I'm thankful to Bain for sending everyone here to complete the comment objective :p
it definitely used to be ecm rushable. we did it quite a few times when the heist was new. without any pager-juggling. the hack definitely went through during the ecm back then
This is 100% correct, Jürg! The heist used to be a very simple ECM rush, and thus they decided to modify the computer so that the hack is interrupted by the ECM effect.
they even added a trophy for doing the heist stealth with no ecms and a high detec, sort of as a reminder maybe
There's always a way around anti-ecm rushes.
Absolutely agree, Onthrax! I respect the devs for adding anti-ECM rush mechanics, but it's a lot of fun to look for ways around them! And at the end of the day it's just more strategies, and more content to enjoy, so I feel like this is absolutely fine! :p
just imagine being pager operator in this situation
*click!* "uh oh..." *grave silence for next 5 seconds*
*click!* "the number yo--" *grave silence for next 5 seconds*
*same thing for next minute or so*
pager operator: nothing suspicious here!
also, you sure didn't mythbust car shop too much? i can see you duping 5th car in a month...
Haha yeah, it's surprising that such a thing is not suspicious, but pager juggling has been in the game for so long, that I guess the devs are okay with this!
I've been doing a lot of Car Shop mythbusting lately yeah, although two of those videos were mainly solo-focused so I wanted to make one for crew strategies too :p I don't have any more Car Shop ideas for now, so the next mythbusting is guaranteed to be for a different heist! :D
@@Marcmb ecm rush fwb
@@mehdikamen355 I may do that, Cheese Addict! It would be considerably easier than Car Shop, considering that there's no mechanics to stop the rush, so it's all about proper pocket ECM chaining :p
@@Marcmb Oh nice, i have to see that
@@Soundwave1900 Thanks Soundwave! Glad you're looking forward to it :) ECM rushes are always really fun to organize and play!
I didn't think ECM rushing Car Shop was a thing holy crap! Another amazing guide (and mythbusting of course) by you Marcmb!
Edit: finished watching, desync does suck but didn't know it could prevent you from securing the car!
Hey Sky! Glad you liked the mythbusting video, thank you! :)
The heist is indeed designed to be impossible to ECM rush, however with the very basic trick of pager juggling, it can be reliably ECM rushed, which is fun to do every now and then! :p
And the desync at the very end was very weird yeah, it's the first time I've seen that happening!
@@Marcmb Same on that desync bit, might have to abuse that pager juggling with a few friends since that could be a pretty good farming strategy if set up right :D
@@skystriker1408 Absolutely! I've considered making a short video in the future, explaining just the basics of pager juggling, its limitations, and its uses (so that players can watch a short video, to learn about that skill). In my opinion, it's a very useful skill that everyone should learn for plan B situations, and it's also really fun to coordinate! :)
@@Marcmb YES! Please! I think it could really be an interesting guide like the saw one was! (I loved the saw guide so much)
Also while I'm here I have a question: How do you get 4 pagers instead of just three?
@@skystriker1408 Awesome! Good to hear that you like that idea, thanks for the feedback! I'll increase the priority of that video then, and think about everything that I want to mention, and a good script to explain everything in a clear way.
As for the 4 pagers we get at the beginning of the rush, this would be very easy with a 4-man crew (each player would just answer 1 pager, and then we would start the rush). However, since we did this with the minimum number of heisters possible (3), one of us (Blonde in this case) starts answering his pager as soon as possible, so that he can reliably answer a 2nd pager after finishing the 1st. We delay the 5th and 6th pagers using ECMs, because those are the ones that won't be accepted by the pager operator, and the rest of the strategy is quite easy! :)
Exciting! Professional and neat! Glad to see the community coming up with stunning ideas!!
Thanks MedMike, very kind of you! Thanks for the kind words, and glad you enjoyed the idea! :D
Its funny to me that while you are juggling the pagers with three players, you are moving in the standard pattern for actual juggling :)
Oooh amazing! I totally didn't notice, but that's an amazing comparison! I guess to make it 100% accurate, the player currently answering a pager would have to let go before the next heister arrives (which would sound the alarm sadly), but other than that, the movements are really really accurate! :D
10/10 analogy!
0:32 I can almost hear the Vsauce song right there lol. Nice vid, keep it up!
Hahaha, it's also quite fitting due to the nature of this video, so I can see why you made the connection :p
Glad you liked the video Niicko, thank you! :)
Ok the juggling sounds hella fun.
Can't wait for more heists with this strat
It really is a lot of fun! It requires a small amount of coordination, and it's very rewarding. Overall, it's a very simple skill, which I feel like everyone should know (and easily master) because it's very useful for any plan B situation :p
Nicely done. I have to say i love watching how teamwork break the rules. I would love to see more Coop missions like this.
Thanks yulin! I agree that playing heists with more team coordination is so much more fun! Glad you liked the video :)
You just brought back memories from playing on PS3 when I saw you guys jiggling the pagers. Awesome you’re showing this because I try to explain this to some back then and they wouldn’t get it 😂 some heist have to make sure it’s done off cameras if they don’t have security rooms like Framing Frame day 3 we used to get one guard stuck with the drill and key card method then the last one we make sure it’s on the roof when we jiggle the pager so it’s closer to escape so we could take all the gold speed run style without ECM
Hey Yadiel! For some reason I have the same experience: back in the day, players used to do pager juggling a lot, but nowadays it's something that you very rarely see :p Hopefully it can recover a bit of its old popularity!
Nowadays when ECM rushing Framing Frame, I like starting the rush at the very beginning, and using pocket ECMs to extend the rush time from 4m to 6m, which gives enough time to secure all the gold even if you started the rush as soon as the heist began :p
Glad to see people still play this game :)
Absolutely, Ace of Spades! It's still really fun, and they're slowly adding new DLC while taking their time developing PAYDAY 3 (announced to come out 2022-23). Definitely still a great game! :D
But...Is it possible to ECM-Rush shadow Raid? Any difficulty.
Absolutely, darkdragon! But that's one of the easiest ones, so for now I'm doing other ECM rushes which are trickier for different reasons. However, I'm considering doing Shadow Raid in the future mainly as an introduction to players looking to learn how to ECM rush properly!
Yes it's doable with a 4 man team that know what to do and good communication. How I know it's doable? Because I've done it alot over the years.
HOW DO YOU NOT HAVE MORE SUBS!?
- Amazing work!
Haha thank you Lzk, I'm glad you're enjoying the content!!! I'm very happy to be where I am -- many more subscribers than I ever expected, and many heisters looking forward to what I teach in my weekly content! :)
Awesome video :) glad to see that the game is still alive and well :D
Thanks petersmybro, glad you liked it! :D
The game still has a lot of unexplored content, so I'm doing my best to go through all of that, while also revisiting the usual things and sharing my approach for those :)
A really good video even tough it's probably just a fun fact and wont be used because it makes things alot more inconvinient..
But as always, thanks for expanding the community knowledge about the game.
Detailed and awesome work!
Thanks Martin, glad you liked this one! :D
This strategy is definitely very unusual (as usual, haha), but it's actually on the easy side: pager juggling is quite easy to do, so for a crew that enjoys ECM rushing, this would probably be faster than a regular Car Shop run! Not very useful, but entertaining to play the heist in a different way, as you mention! :p
You can actually answer pagers indefinately as long as you have another person to swap it with? Huh, the more you know. That's kinda awesome!
That's exactly right, Zaamy boy! It's a very cool trick to use if you're playing with a crew of 3: if you're about to finish a stealth heist, but for whatever reason you make a mistake and kill a 5th guard, you can designate 2 players to juggle that pager, while the 3rd player finishes the stealth objectives, and then you escape :)
And it could even be used duo too, with very good coordination (and if the two players are fast enough to progress with the objectives before getting back to the pager to continue juggling) :p
Hi I love your videos in fact you inspired me to upload my first payday video keep up the great content 😃
Thanks Wrld dasher! Glad you're enjoying the content, much appreciated!
And good luck in your content-making journey, make sure you have fun with it! :D
@@Marcmb thank you so much this means the world to me
Very interesting video, i didnt know computer hack jams when theres an active ecm. Love your vids!
Thanks gryzio! It's a situation that comes up quite often in unorganized lobbies: someone gets spotted by a guard, and the situation gets out of control (everyone becomes alerted), and if you try to ECM rush, suddenly the hack stops and you can't complete the heist anymore!
Glad you're enjoying the videos, thank you! :D
Nice ecm rush strategy, as always! I wouldn't really recommend this strategy for non cs versions though, I can typically get the computer hacked around the 2:30ish mark when i'm traditionally stealthing this one. Car shop is quite an easy stealthable heist once you learn all the nooks and crannies of it, I recommend players master this one as there's quite a lot of cover and the car race is always fun.
Thanks M3L0, glad you liked this one! This heist is indeed very easy when played regularly, so an optimized ECM rush can only save a few seconds at most: the rush is definitely not the optimal way to play the heist, so I only recommend it for crews who like ECM rushing and are interested in trying this one out :p
Although I guess it would be nice to always keep this option in mind, for regular stealth runs that go south at some point!
As always you make the impossible seem possible great job!
Thank you Alex! Glad you liked this one :) This strategy in particular is quite easy, if you wanna try it yourself with a crew! :p It should work on console too, I'm 99% sure!
Nice Pager Juggling, haven't seen that trick in ages! :D
Thanks Nosgard! I'm not sure why, but my experience is the same: pager juggling used to be very common back in the day, but I haven't seen it in a long time!
You deserve more subscribers, your videos are fantastic!
Thank you Jackgamer, I appreciate that! I do want to say however, that the channel has grown A LOT since I started, so I'm very happy to be where I am, and I couldn't ask for more! Glad to hear that you're enjoying the videos though :D
Yeah, this is big brain time. Amazing execution as always, silly pager operator kinda breaks the mood tho. :D
Thanks ThicLizard, much appreciated! The pager operator is indeed a bit weird, somehow he doesn't consider this suspicious at all :p
Hey! I've got a question, What is the hud that you use, and may i get a download link for it?
Hey again darkdragon! My HUD is a combination of _PocoHud3_ and _Additional PocoHud trackers._
The former is responsible for the ECM timers, as well as the floating timers for drills, time locks, hacks, pagers... (whenever they are present). It also includes other on-screen numbers such as: FPS meter, IRL clock, levels right next to player names, and some numbers for each player which are "Kills | Jokered enemies | Current downs | Maximum downs (before custody)".
As for the latter, _Additional PocoHud trackers,_ I mainly use it for the 3.5s countdown before Sixth sense triggers, but it will also show you trackers for all kinds of things (any skill which has a duration or cooldown). Both are highly customizable so everything can be toggled on and off, depending on what you want!
Since you asked, download links, together with install instructions, can be found here! steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/
@@Marcmb Thank you so much! By the way, I love your videos! Good luck on ECM-rushing other heists. I've finished big bank on DS loud today, and it's a great achievement to me because i've never really won a DS loud heist. I always die at the end or straight up in the middle of the heist
@@death1nsurance440 Thanks a lot darkdragon, glad you're enjoying the content, and the ECM rushes too!! :)
Well done on that Big Bank DS loud clear! It's much easier when stealthing (loud DS can be very punishing at times), so congratulations on completing that! :p
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Hey there violence! Nice and quick comment, hope you're enjoying the video! :p
That's just brilliant. Too bad it requires 3 players though. It's still really cool that you figured this. GJ
Glad you liked it Lieutenant Morty, thank you! :D
It would indeed be kinda cool if these unconventional strategies were also possible solo, somehow :)
Did you guys feel any pressure in doing this? And did you practice or not? I totally want to do this next time I'm going to play Car Shop, but will be be doable with randoms?
I would say this one is actually very easy, and very straightforward. With just a bit of coordination, I feel like it should be possible with any group of heisters! We did plan it quite a bit (because it was the first time such a strategy had been attempted), mainly to be able to reliably answer the first 4 pagers, and have the final 2 pagers close to each other, but the rest is absurdly easy! So almost zero pressure, and not a lot of practice needed!
Also note, that with a full crew it would be even easier, because each heister just has to kill 1 guard, and when all 4 pagers are active just start an ECM chain. Plus if you have 2 heisters to juggle each of the 2 remaining pagers, you don't have to worry about the 2 corpses being close to each other. If the 4 heisters have a general idea of what's going to happen (by looking for an explanation, or watching the video) it should be very smooth with any crew!
Loving the vids Marc!
Happy to hear that! Thank you very much Bryce :)
I have 3 tests tomorrow, but I decided to watch you...don't ever question my loyalty 💜😂
Hey Matthys! I appreciate that a lot, hope you enjoyed the video!
*NOW however, stop watching videos and make sure you're ready for the tests!!!* And good luck with your tests tomorrow, hopefully they go just fine! :)
@@Marcmb And then there's me who never learns for tests but still gets an A.
@@cloaker2813 Nice! That means that you're a good learner just from your classes, but even then I would say it's still good to review your material briefly and make sure you're ready to get a 100/100! :p
@@cloaker2813 brooo fr I got 90% for my maths lol and I didn't even know what to study...I went to the teacher like the period before the test and asked her what to study and she told me without a care bc she knows I'm her A student.
Hey Marcmb been watching you ever since I found you. Really love your content since payday 2 is one of my favorite games of all time.
Hey Diego! I appreciate that a lot, thank you very much! PAYDAY 2 is also one of my favorite games, easily the one I enjoy the most. I'm having a lot of fun making content about this game, so I'm glad you're loving it! Really big thank you :p
Pretty easy to get addicted. Payday 3 gotta be a banger, and I consider you a top tier player. Considering you still upload payday 2
@@DiegoGarcia-nv1ou PAYDAY 3 is easily going to be game of the year whenever it comes out. The current game has thousands of concurrent players every day (even though it has been out for a really long time, and many players are already done with all the content), but the amount of people that own PAYDAY 2 on Steam is insane! I'm really looking forward to PAYDAY 3 on 2022-23 :) Oh and thanks for the compliment! I'm glad that you think so, and that you're enjoying my content :)
Jugling POPC(Pager Operator Phone Call) it should be like this:Still make the same thing with the PO(Pager Operator) until the other player ends placing the C4 and delay it as much as possible with two crew players stealing cars and then let the PO sound the alarm and then have a lot of time left when you have to escape! Perfect plan, make a video trying it to see if i'm right:D, i always wanted to have an idea for you to try out:)
Hey juan! If you rewatch this video in particular, you will see that we were only a crew of 3, which means that juggling 2 pagers is impossible as soon as one of us leaves to place the C4 :p
But as I mentioned in text at 3:33, a 4th heister would make what you describe possible, and it would also be an interesting video, just to show how much easier it becomes!
Question, what would happen if you placed another ecm down while the other two were juggling? would that pause the pager like normal and you can stop juggling or nah since its been started?
Hey Ze Pig Man! As you guessed, once a pager has gone off, there's no way to further delay it by using ECMs. Once the juggling starts, it can only be ended by sounding the alarm (either by completing the pager answer, or letting go of the pager).
Alright, thanks! It has been a while since I last played pd2 so I wasn't sure. If you want an idea, I left around the time the safe debacle occurred (and was kind of resolved by making them free for future safes).
@@zepigman2831 I see! That was a LONG time ago, indeed. Luckily it was resolved very quickly, as they realized that adding P2W advantages would never be accepted by the community.
If you still like the idea of a "heisting simulator", feel free to try the game again one of these days. It has a lot of new content, and it's still really fun! :)
I thought they patched the juggling of pagers, does juggling pagers only works on car shop ?
Hey ARIF! I'm pretty sure pager juggling has never been fixed, as far as I know!
I've seen it used recently on Yacht Heist, First World Bank, Car Shop... it definitely seems to work on any heist!
Hmm, thats weird, i thought if theres two person answered a pager, if the person who got the pager first release the interaction, the heist will go loud, thats what I thought all this time 😂
Well, great video, love it
@@AREPBOSS Now you know! Have fun using this very fun mechanic :p
I think it was programmed like this so that, in situations where both heisters start answering the same pager by mistake, any of the two can choose to let go of the pager and do something else.
Subbed and liked this is freaking amazing
Thanks a lot Dragonfearwolf! Glad you enjoyed this one :) Thank you for considering subscribing too!
@@Marcmb payday used to be the only game i played, I guess I grew up haha
@@mfr3641 Nice! PAYDAY2 was also my only game for a very long time (until I reached about 2K hours) and then I took a break from it for about a year.
However, there aren't other games with this kind of co-op stealth gameplay, especially centered around heisting, so eventually I came back :p
@@Marcmb I know right, I turned to gta and learned the heists arent fun in my opinion so I got rehooked on payday 2
@@mfr3641 Nice! It's indeed really nice that this game stands out as THE heisting simulator, as it has been carefully crafted around that :p
Here's an idea for your next video: optimal stealth tripmine locations for certain stealth heists (like FF day3, Shadow Raid, Murky Station, etc.)
Hey there, TheCakeIsNotLie! I really like explaining that kind of thing, but generally I include that as a section of a full stealth guide for a particular heist. For example, in my White House stealth guide I mentioned the best trip mine locations (showing screenshots of common guard waypoints), same for Alesso... this means that I'll do the same for FF day3, but I'm not sure about doing all heists in a single video... maybe in the future, as a compilation of all "trip mine" sections for each individual video? Good suggestion though, thank you! I'm definitely writing this one down :)
Would any heist that has a detection risk be stealthable? (e.g: Santa's Workshop)
Hey Payday 2 Walkthroughs! Very good question. However, that depends on each specific heist, so it's not something that can be answered with a general answer.
In the case of Santa's Workshop, the heist is scripted to go loud shortly after any of the gangsters dies or becomes alerted.
Counterfeit, for example, also has very bizarre "scripted assault" rules, which allow you to fully stealth the heist with some AI manipulation (video here if you haven't seen it: ua-cam.com/video/O7qaPho8O6A/v-deo.html ).
This is the holy place, you cannot just ecm rush it. God bless Lamborghini and his manager!
I guess he does have some kind of celestial blessing, after all! Although you can quite easily ECM rush his shop, with some coordination :p
At first, i thought you were walking into the carshop and was wondering why the guards werent getting suspicious...But you're in freecam. It took me 2 seconds to figure that out.
Hey darkdragon! Indeed, that short clip at the introduction was freecam :p at some point I almost went right through a guard too :D
Great video! i want you to be more recomended by youtube
Thank you elias! I'm glad that you think so, much appreciated! Thanks for watching, and glad you enjoyed it! :)
Almir listo:Wait that's illegal
For real that blew my mind you guys really did a great work
Thx for the tutorial
Hahaha I wonder how they would react if they saw this one!
Glad you liked the concept, Nuke, and feel free to try it yourself if you find a crew that enjoys ECM rushing! :)
Hey man, you seem to know a lot about Payday 2, so i wanted to know if you can answer a question i have?
I 100% understand if you don't know the answer.
Anyways, there is an achievement called "Completely Overkill" or something like that.
What you need to do to get that achievement is; complete all heists on Overkill.
I was wondering if you need to complete DLC heists to get that achievement?
And also what heists do you need to complete to get that achievement?
There have come out a lot of non-DLC heists over the years way after that achievement existed - do you need to complete those heists too?
Thank you!
Hey Spicy boi! DLC, non-DLC, and all new heists are included, yes, but you can join public lobbies for that heist even if you don't own the DLC: you just need someone else hosting it (generally public, open lobbies). This will count towards your achievement as long as you're present starting from the "Preplanning/Assets/Ready-up" section (i.e., before the heist begins, or after a restart).
This means that if you got your difficulty mask 5 years ago, you would have needed to complete perhaps only 40 heists. But if you want to get it today, you need to complete those 40 heists plus the 30 new heists.
If I remember correctly, heists from the "EVENTS" contractor weren't included in the list of requirements back in the day. Nowadays, you can just go to your "ACHIEVEMENTS" menu ingame, look for the difficulty mask achievement, and it will give you an exact list of which heists you're missing for that achievement.
And here my buddies and I seem to have problems going about stealthing this normally (despite the fact I can solo this on mayhem just fine). Time to get the gang together again and teach them the art of the ecm rush.
Good luck with it, Xstriker! For some crews it's easier to coordinate ECM rushes, because your success comes down to coordination, and player skill, without worrying about things like desync, chain reactions, etc. Good luck with your attempts, and hopefully you'll enjoy the strategy! :)
I noticed on when you secured the two cars you had 5 seconds left, when I first did car shop for story on very hard I escaped with one second left
That's quite close! I think "points of no return" are a very nice addition to the game. They generate situations that feel very clutch and exciting!
i love how the pager operator completely ignores that 3/4 people are answering 2 pagers at once, guess hes below minimum wage
He definitely doesn't get paid enough to deal with all this :p
Couldn’t you use pocket ecm/ ecm to delay the pagers to get down the c4?
Hey MrNubCake! Unfortunately that wouldn't work: the pagers were already active, so there is no way to delay them with ECMs at that point :)
Tip: Just Tap [S] while turning and then hold W to do a light drift
There are a few tricks you can do while driving, yeah! I really love the driving controls in this game (and the driving sections in general), even though that seems to be an unpopular opinion :(
4:26 I love how you just ran over some poor guy and just continue the video like it's nothing
Haha true! Poor guy just chose to stop at the worst possible spot. While it makes sense to surrender and drop to the ground, doing that in the middle of the road (especially between shop and escape point) isn't the brightest move :p
what mod do you use to show you the lengths of ecm and other things in the top left corner?
Hey Peachy! That's _PocoHUD3,_ and _Additional PocoHud trackers._ The former is responsible for the ECM timers, as well as the floating timers for drills, time locks, hacks, pagers... (whenever they are present). It also includes other on-screen numbers such as: FPS meter, IRL clock...
As for the latter, _Additional PocoHud trackers,_ I mainly use it for the 3.5s countdown before Sixth sense triggers, but it will also show you trackers for all kinds of things (any skill which has a duration or cooldown). Both are highly customizable so everything can be toggled on and off, depending on what you want!
If you want to try them out for yourself, I have a Steam post with download links, and install instructions (as well as my specific mod settings), which you can find here! steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/
Alternatively, there are much simpler mods that include only the ECM timer: modworkshop.net/mod/26652 (follow install instructions above)
@@Marcmb I was looking around on mod workshop for a mod like this and couldn't find one, so thanks very much!
@@peachy3.145 Awesome! Very helpful for ECM rushing, and that type of thing. Have fun with it! :)
Best way to find right computer in car shop: check the whiteboard in the managers office then find the name on the whiteboard. Easy.
Absolutely! I believe this is the only way, as far as I know. Hacking the wrong one will instantly trigger the alarm (point of no return), so trying randomly is unlikely to succeed!
As far as I know, there aren't any other indicators for the right computer. It would be cool if there were though!
Hope you liked the rush :) Thank you for watching, Nop vlogs!
How about ECM Rush: Murky Station
Hey SpeedBoostMan! That's definitely one that I want to make in the future, because it's a bit different than regular ECM rushes (you have to first open the train wagons, then start the rush). Thank you for the suggestion! :)
what if u answer 1 of the 2 pagers and continue tô juggle while the third player placê the c4?
Hey Diego! Unfortunately, we've already answered 4 pagers, so answering an additional one would cause the alarm to instantly go off.
However, if you had a 4th player, he could easily place all the C4, while the other 3 players continue juggling the pagers :)
what was the song playing when you were driving the cars? i love it
Hey Da Noob! That was _"Utter Chaos",_ especifically the loud section :)
How are you getting this icons/timer on the top left? Its seem really usefull(im new on this game)
Hey ConeMax! It's absolutely very useful, and it's being displayed by two HUD mods: _PocoHUD3,_ and _Additional PocoHud trackers._ The former is responsible for the ECM timers, as well as the floating timers for drills, time locks, hacks, pagers... (whenever they are present). It also includes other on-screen numbers such as: FPS meter, IRL clock...
As for the latter, _Additional PocoHud trackers,_ I mainly use it for the 3.5s countdown before Sixth sense triggers, but it will also show you trackers for all kinds of things (any skill which has a duration or cooldown). Both are highly customizable so everything can be toggled on and off, depending on what you want!
If you want to try them out for yourself, I have a Steam post with download links, and install instructions (as well as my specific mod settings), which you can find here! steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/
@@Marcmb Thank you for taking the time to answer me thats really nice of you👍And i will definitely download those mods.I wish you happy end of year holidays 🎅🎄🍾
@@psmax59800 No problem! Glad I could help with that :)
Happy holidays to you too!
When a car shop has the number of guards a mega sized bank would have in real life.
Indeed, those cars must sell for a really high price, if the store can afford all that surveillance 24/7 :D
juggling pagers are quite useful really! but unfortunately its hard to do in pub cause there are many players doesn't know about it. but it still worth a try then just pressing restart : )
Absolutely very useful! It also used to be very common back in the day, but nowadays it's been a really long time since I've seen it used :p
Hello my friend, nice video didn't see last one couse didn't recive notification. :(
Hey there Lo0, no worries! It was a very long video, so I think people will just watch it when they require the help with Border Crossing, or want to learn a little bit more about the details :)
Glad you liked this one though, thank you very much! :p
@@Marcmb I watched last vid after finishing that one. It was massive learn a lot, I was doing day ago Train heist (this with tf2 turret) with my brother and it amazing experience with silence saw trick.
P.S.
I got to go to sleep its 12:46 am.
@@lo039 Nice, thank you for watching that one too! Glad you enjoyed it :)
And the saw trick is indeed very useful, and can be used on many many heists!
Funny enough, I found a glitch that made ECM rushing more viable with this heist. Too bad it has since been patched
Oh hey there Xanaguy! I recognize your name :D I saw some videos a few months ago (from Unknown Knight I think) where you used that trick to ECM rush the Golden Grin, Car Shop, etc. It was definitely much more straightforward than this! But I guess the devs considered it a glitch and removed it :(
I feel in terms of exp and money it's better to do diomand store over and over than ecm rush hiests and come back with like 4 bags
Hey Clone Boi! There are definitely a few heists that are clearly better than others for XP, indeed. I have some videos covering some of those heists, although I generally separate "good heists for XP" and "good heists for money", since each one has very clear winners!
Thats looks so fun, if only I had friends like Marcmb that were actually decent at the game. feelsbadman 🥲
I have a myth suggestion, can you achieve infinite ammo if you use the bulletstorm perk by replenishing 1 bullet, shooting with the effect on, then replenishing 1 bullet again in that cycle of events?
Hey BanzJo! The game does indeed become a lot more fun when you have experienced heisters to attempt this kind of stuff. That's why continuing to play the game, and improving in different aspects while finding other players who enjoy the same is so rewarding in PAYDAY2! :D
As for your question, that would be very interesting if it could be done! Unfortunately, any bullets that you use during the bulletstorm effect will not lower your ammo count, preventing you from using the ammo bag again to re-activate bulletstorm. Thus, since the only way to gain the buff again is by using up some ammo to be able to interact with the ammo bag, the buff itself becomes limited by the fact that the ammo bag will eventually run out!
Cool vid man!
Thanks RandomSerbian! Glad you liked it! :)
Can The Diamond or the Diamond heist ECM rushed?
Good question Aurél! THE Diamond can be ECM rushed, indeed, and it's a very short heist so it's quite easy. Diamond Heist however, has TWO different anti-ECM rush mechanics, at two different points in the heist: the code panel at the end becomes jammed under the effect of an ECM, but also the two boxes that you have to hack at the beginning will be paused if you place an ECM. So that one may be the hardest one to ECM rush!
This is my plan for car shop
1. find the manager and get uts keycard
2. hack the pc so I can get the keys
3. planting c4 so I can have an scape
4. driving the car and secure it
5. go home and play payday
Haha step #5 was quite the twist :p Solid plan, but be very careful because that sounds like a one-down, no-respawns run! :D
I should have expected the juggling part, but I didn’t
Hope you enjoyed it, FairNut! Indeed, the key was pager juggling, because there were a few too many guards otherwise :)
Hello, i really want to know how to get the circles on the top left corner that show every timer on my game, anyone knows how?
Hey João! Those timers are all displayed by my HUD, which is a combination of _PocoHud3_ and _Additional PocoHud trackers._
The former is responsible for the ECM timers, as well as the floating timers for drills, time locks, hacks, pagers... (whenever they are present). It also includes other on-screen numbers such as: FPS meter, IRL clock, levels right next to player names, and some numbers for each player which are "Kills | Jokered enemies | Current downs | Maximum downs (before custody)".
As for the latter, _Additional PocoHud trackers,_ I mainly use it for the 3.5s countdown before Sixth sense triggers, but it will also show you trackers for all kinds of things (any skill which has a duration or cooldown). Both are highly customizable so everything can be toggled on and off, depending on what you want!
If you want to try them out for yourself, I have a Steam post with download links, and install instructions (as well as my specific mod settings), which you can find here! steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/
The answer will always be yes before i even see the video. because that's you.
I'd love to see a mod/heist or a whole game designed by you.
Oh one more thing, would love to hear your voice narrate or at least use a nice quality text to speech voice.
Haha thanks Ryan! I'm glad that's your opinion about my projects, much appreciated!
There are some custom heists out there that are really entertaining... sometimes I think that it would be nice to learn how to make them, and design one myself! :D
Oh and as for the last thing, I am planning on including voice-over (together with the text-based explanations) to some videos at some point, but I'm still not sure how I'm gonna do it! :p
@@Marcmb choose one thing you want to do, and focus on that and get it right before you move forward with something else.
@@RyanJosepher Yup, this is definitely good advice, and it's what I usually do! It helps getting things done, in the best possible quality/efficiency, without getting distracted by other projects!
I had once experienced the parking desync where it appeared not parked properly, but summary said the car was secured. Later I found out when the car is secured, there won't be drive the car prompt anymore, in that run I experienced the issue, I thought my car hit the entrance of container and got bugged(I exit the car while it is moving in), couldn't be driven anymore. Also we had 4 ppl and summary says we had 3 cars, but later other player confirmed that they took a seat in someone else's car, which means my car was secured.
Interesting! For me this was the first time I had this happen, and you can see in the video I'm so disoriented that, after exiting the vehicle, I walk INTO the container rather than going OUT of it :D
Luckily the car does count as secured, indeed. You can see that in two ways (before end screen): the driving interaction disappearing, and also the white loot drop-off zone disappearing. Quite glad to have this on video, since it's been so rare from my perspective! :p
Whats the name of the mod on the top left of the screen?
Hey Leandro! That's _PocoHUD3,_ combined with _Additional PocoHud trackers._
If you're interested, I have a Steam post with download links, and install instructions (as well as my specific mod settings), which you can find here! steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/
this is some advanced lvl rushing
Thank you, Awe Emperor of Chicken Killing! Glad you liked it :) It is indeed a bit more advanced than regular rushes, and also really fun! :D
I really like doing my own version which I call "Car Shop Loud" and I really like saying we're gonna do Car Shop loud to veterans and then suprising them, it takes advantage of RNG Modifier so I always know the right computer, its as easy as walking straightup to the first guard, going up the stairs and smashing the managers glass, you can get in and step out instantly just to activate the computers, do so and ready up the C4 in the time it's hacking, when the door opens you still got about a minute to finish the driving, its only possible upto Very Hard but I bet if optimized well or changed a little it can go upto Overkill or Mayhem
Hey L L! That's a very enjoyable way to do Car Shop on lower difficulties yeah :p For the lowest difficulties, the point of no return has a timer of 4 minutes, so you can do it even without RNG modifier.
As for the highest difficulties, you need exactly 66 seconds for the driving section when fully optimized, so there are some interesting tricks that you can pull off to rush the heist in unusual ways! :p
@@Marcmb 66 seconds? That seems totally possible on at least Overkill not sure about Mayhem, when finishing on very hard it's usually 3-4 sec left so I could totally do it by abusing bot interaction speed buffs+yakuza speed buff+ broken armor speed buff, maybe since im getting discovered as soon as I enter I could use a grenade launcher instead of molotovs to get yakuza+broken armor faster too. Ill try this next time!
By the way, really appreciate you replying to comments! it's something you just can't get watching bigger channels and ill be sad to see it go once you get blow up.
@@LL-yd8zz Aww thank you, very kind of you! I'll do my best to keep replying to every single comment :p Getting so many nice comments, great questions, and feedback, is the best part of uploading my content to YT :)
But it may indeed become a bit problematic if the number of comments gets very very large -- hopefully I'll be able to keep up :D
As for all these skills you mention to make the Car Shop rush even faster, these are all very useful ideas! I recommend checking out the fastest WR runs too :) It's very different from regular gameplay, because they play very planned routes with RNG modifier, but you can get some crazy ideas from watching them! For example they even use the "Running from Death" speed boost to make the run to the car even faster :D
What shotgun are you using?
Hey Sxar! That's the Locomotive 12G, a very useful stealth shotgun. I personally always use it because it looks really nice, and it can also change a lot (visually, from a 1st player perspective) depending on the mods you use. If you want to reproduce this exact look, here's the list of mods that I use (probably the most common stealth Loco setup):
· BARREL EXT: The Silent Killer Supressor.
· GADGET: LED Combo. (if you don't have enough concealment, you can switch this one for a Compact Laser Module -- or just remove the gadget)
· GRIP: Straight Grip.
· MAGAZINE: Extended Magazine.
· STOCK: Tactical Shorty Stock.
· AMMUNITION: 000 Buckshot.
· BOOST: Team Boost.
· SKIN: the new "Crypto" color that was obtained from the now removed LockeBreacher puzzle -- the settings I chose for the color are Paint Scheme: Inverted; Wear: Mint-Condition; Pattern Scale: Medium!
Marcmb aha ty so much it’s been in my head for quite sometime at first I thought it was cloud dasher but I realized he only used the judge and then hallelujah your video was recommended to me again and once again I’m glad you took the time to write down the attachments as well
Niceee another one down for an impossible ecm rush
That's right, White Rabbit! I respect the devs for adding anti-ECM rush mechanics, but I want to find ways around them (for each of these "no ECM-rush" heists), and make a full list of impossible ECM rushes :p
@@Marcmb noice. Also. How the hell do you have time to reply to everything lol
@@dewhiterabbit1337 I make sure to upload on my free day, and sit in front of the computer for a while right after uploading so that I can answer all comments without missing a single one haha :D
Fun fact you can break the managers window and enter the room earlier
Hey Jacer! You absolutely can, yes, and that's in fact the strategy used for the _"Gone in 240s"_ achievement, on Normal difficulty.
However, if you attempt it on DSOD difficulty, the point of no return will be only 120s, and the heist will fail! :(
will we ever get a murky station guide? there's a ton to cover there
when car shop 2, overkill?
That would be amazing! Car Shop is one of my favorite heists, and Meltdown is very enjoyable too, although sadly it's loud-only.
Driving heists aren't liked by everyone, but they are easily among my favorites! :D
What I find amusing is that this one run wasn't under the 4 or 5 min mark for the achievement
Here is the answer how operator didn't found anything suspicious: talking about c h e e s e .
Cheese indeed, this is one of the cheesiest strategies in the game :p
It was interesting to watch, but I will not repeat this.
Of course I could ... but .. I don't have friends who would
they did it.
Thanks Greefoon, glad you liked it! In my opinion, among the "cheesy" ECM rushes, Car Shop is the easiest one. With 4 players, each heister can just answer 1 pager, and the final two can easily be juggled by 2 players each, with almost no difficulty at all. If you ever find a full lobby of players who enjoy ECM rushing, you can suggest this one, and it should be quite easy! :p
If you aren't doin the heist stealthly, you don't even need to find the manager cause you can just break the window and enter the manager's office
Hey SlaM! That would work for lower difficulties, but for DSOD the point of no return is only 120 seconds: with 66s (or more) being used in the hack, such strategies are absolutely unviable for DSOD!
I managed to ECM rush the heist by throwing down an ECM right at the front door, finding the name and PC, then waiting for the ECM to finish to hack it.
The method made me almost last second the heist, but it is possible.
Note: I did this solo. Doing this with other players is probably torture.
Hey Leo! That does sound like a run that would end with very tight timing, indeed! The moment the alarm goes off, you have exactly 120s to reach the end. The alarm goes off about 12-13s after the ECM ends, and the hack takes 61.5s (solo with bots) to finish (from the moment the ECM ends, too). Thus, you end up with ~71.5s to get the keys, get to the car, and get to the escape! It definitely sounds possible (about 65-66s for the driving), but it would be quite close *for sure!* I remember having tried this in the past, but I don't think I ever managed to do it! So congratulations on pulling it off! :p I may try again in the near future, whenever I have some time :D
I love this impractical stealth strategies :v
Haha, hey Mot! That's one technically correct way to describe it :p The heist, indeed, doesn't really need any tricks to make it easier (because it's generally quite easy), and the ECM rush can only save a few seconds at most. However, considering how easy pager juggling is, I would say this one could be feasible for a crew that enjoys ECM rushing, as a reliable and unconventional way to complete the heist! :D
Marcmb Yep-always enjoy this content~
And I love how while you work on videos for stealthable heists, me and carrot and kingishking are working on a steam guide fo the loud only heists. It feels nice knowing the community is at least a little bit rekindled-
@@Mot-dh5sx Thanks Mot! I appreciate that a lot :) It's very nice to see that the community is still very active, making all kinds of content. Plus, the response by the community is always very good! Looking forward to that guide, I'm sure it's gonna be very good :p
In the hellscape that is 2020, videos like these are a welcome break. Also SUPER impressive!!!
Thanks Gwyndolin, I appreciate that a lot! Glad you're enjoying the content, and this video in particular too! :)
Love the vids new fan!
Thanks a lot XDontscam, I appreciate that! Glad you enjoyed the video! :)
And the most important tip: DONT. BREAK. F*CKING WINDOWS!
Hey there Snek! This one's very important, indeed! No breaking windows, and no letting the cops shoot the windows either. So many Car Shop runs fail because of this!!
scarface reviews says: i rate this a 11/10
:D Thank you very much, scarface reviews! This one in particular was really fun to plan and record :)
@@Marcmb i am good at reviews, yes?
@@benyammiinn Absolutely, I'm enjoying the reviews! If there's ever something bad (or something that could be improved), feel free to mention that too! All kinds of feedback are always greatly appreciated :)
Is it possible to ecm rush ukranian job DSOD? The drill will eat up your time
Hey Danny! It's kinda possible, yeah! Usually there's less than 5 guards on that heist, so you could start an ECM chain, kill all guards and control the civilians, and also answer the pagers. Then you could finish the drills without worrying about anything, even if the ECM runs out (similar to how you would ECM rush the regular Bank Heist).
If there's 5 or more guards, it would be impossible to rush solo, but very easy with a full crew :p However, that heist is so simple, that such things are often not considered! :D
A question what shotgun you use ?
Hey Saibot! That's the Locomotive 12G :)
didn't pagers use to go off if you let go of F?
Hi Jannis! Pagers do indeed go off, sounding the alarm, the moment you let go of F... UNLESS, there's another heister answering that same pager. It's a mechanic designed to prevent problems when multiple heisters click on the same pager, but it can be abused like this :)
what mod(s) are you using?
Hey Joe! It's essentially just my HUD mods, which are a combination of _PocoHud3_ and _Additional PocoHud trackers._
The former is responsible for the ECM timers, as well as the floating timers for drills, time locks, hacks, pagers... (whenever they are present). It also includes other on-screen numbers such as: FPS meter, IRL clock, levels right next to player names, and some numbers for each player which are "Kills | Jokered enemies | Current downs | Maximum downs (before custody)".
As for the latter, _Additional PocoHud trackers,_ I mainly use it for the 3.5s countdown before Sixth sense triggers, but it will also show you trackers for all kinds of things (any skill which has a duration or cooldown). Both are highly customizable so everything can be toggled on and off, depending on what you want!
If you would like some help finding the download links, or install instructions, you can find all that here! steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/
@@Marcmb thanks a lot
@@comradeskipper5232 No problem, you're welcome! :)
What hud are you using?
Hey Dfuse! My HUD is just a combination of _PocoHud3_ and _Additional PocoHud trackers._
The former is responsible for the ECM timers, as well as the floating timers for drills, time locks, hacks, pagers... (whenever they are present). It also includes other on-screen numbers such as: FPS meter, IRL clock, levels right next to player names, and some numbers for each player which are "Kills | Jokered enemies | Current downs | Maximum downs (before custody)".
As for the latter, _Additional PocoHud trackers,_ I mainly use it for the 3.5s countdown before Sixth sense triggers, but it will also show you trackers for all kinds of things (any skill which has a duration or cooldown). Both are highly customizable so everything can be toggled on and off, depending on what you want!
If you would like to try it out yourself, I have a post with all my HUD settings, download links, and install instructions here :) steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/
jacket:*stands infront of guard*
guard: huh whats that? gotta take my glasses
also guard: wait a minute THAT GUY HAS SUNGLA-
jacket:*kills guard*
pager guy: i had a vision that a guard was shoot by a man whit glasses, gotta check
pager guy: is anything fine down there?
jacket answering: this number isn’t available right now press 1 to die or press 2 to cringe
*also jacket letting pager of in the last mil second *
pager guy: YOOO WTH!?! I AM DOIN THE ALARMS
dallas:*kills every civ *
*mission lost*
bain: oh fuq my fault what have i done
its not your fault bain ;(
poor bain thinking he did bad even tho we are the losers
A compilation of the best PAYDAY 2 logic :p
Always sad when Bain apologizes for failing the heist, even though it's the heisters' fault though :(
what a kid would say now 1 like=100 $$dallas$$ for bain
@@gamingwithengi Here's 1 like then, hopefully we can get Bain back :p
Excuse me, Pager Juggling?! That is a thing? This kinda redefines stealth in Payday
Indeed! It will work on any heist, and it's very useful whenever you reach the pager limit. Very useful skill to master for plan B situations, and very fun to coordinate! :)
What HUD is that? Looks very useful to know the timer on stuff
Hey Viter! It's definitely very useful, especially when stealthing. The HUD is a combination of _PocoHud3_ and _Additional PocoHud trackers._
The former is responsible for the ECM timers, as well as the floating timers for drills, time locks, hacks, pagers... (whenever they are present). It also includes other on-screen numbers such as: FPS meter, IRL clock, levels right next to player names, and some numbers for each player which are "Kills | Jokered enemies | Current downs | Maximum downs (before custody)".
As for the latter, _Additional PocoHud trackers,_ I mainly use it for the 3.5s countdown before Sixth sense triggers, but it will also show you trackers for all kinds of things (any skill which has a duration or cooldown). Both are highly customizable so everything can be toggled on and off, depending on what you want!
If you want to try them out for yourself, I have a Steam post with download links, and install instructions (as well as my specific mod settings), which you can find here! steamcommunity.com/groups/MarcmbCrimeNET/discussions/0/2279330983559406525/
@@Marcmb Thank you very much :D I shall check it out. Have a great day~
@@BLeachRoX4eVa No problem! I definitely recommend it :) Easily my favorite HUD.
Good day to you too!
@@Marcmb *Update. Got it installed and working :) This is going to help immensely with timing. Thanks again :D
@@BLeachRoX4eVa Perfect! It is very very helpful, especially for ECM rushes :) Have fun with the new HUD!