We love also Fractal devices! In fact, Fractal allows to go very deeply in tweaking. As we said, tones were not tweaked in any way, is the pure result of the matching process embedded.
At first, I thought the Fractals were way off, but in the second half (with the Logic Pro X screenshot), I listened to the real amp again and then went straight to the Fractals; they aren’t as far off as it initially sounds, but by the time the video got to them, I think my ear was used to the Mooer sounds.
Great, but... I would like to hear the same comparison between this units, but always with the same riff. Preferably interleaving between amp and unit, amp and unit, amp and unit...
The least digital sounding, without that top end fizz and mid-low mud, with great definition and fast response, was TH-U. The dynamic seemed a bit level, but not displeasing. Second was the Mooer Preamp. The AXE FX and the Bias were last, in my book.
Please Please PLEASE upload a video of all the units playing the same parts of the riff. Seriously eyeing the mooer, but couldn't get any of the low notes in this comparison. Would really appreciate a 1:1 comparison, thank you very much! :)
All of them are very close to the original except the Fractal units. Bias is one of the closest, but sounds weird after the Axe units, which are way off. Tone comparison demos like this need to have the real amp in between each of the clips to reset your ears because people are way better at judging relative sounds vs. absolute.
I hear what your talking about, but the change was drastic when it got to axe fx, would like to hear the amp clip leading into each individual model so u can really hear how bias compares.
@@jasonhoddinott9413 I've been on and off the fence about it for so long haha, but most of my tones come from an amp sim from that video, and the Kemper sounded closer, so I think I should definitely pick one up this year. Maybe the unpowered rack and a class A/B power amp
@@metalloid3417 save yourself the trouble and buy the power rack. I have mine in a 4U Gator case with a Furman racked above it. I put my Line 6 G50 wireless on the inside of the case and I have a complete portable unit for jamming and gigging :)
@@jasonhoddinott9413 I might go for the powered head, prefer the look of the head more and they're the same price anyway. Won't be able to get one until November so lots of time to decide haha.
the rig player in th-u actually uses the same ir technology as kemper does, and, to my ears, it sounds excellent. the rest is up to what sample packs you get.
As someone said, all units with the same riff would be better for a comparison. But thanks anyway. The Kemper sounds great, a bit too boomy in the low end for my taste, but I'm really surprised by the sound of the GE300 and the MOOER Preamp Live. From all units their sound is most pleasant to MY ears.
Kemper and both Mooers. I'm sure you could tweak the AxeFX units to sound more like anything here, same for all others, but I'd go with my mentions for the simple fact that they capture real amp tones also and sounded great here.
Yep as expected. Mooer over axe. Amazing for the price difference. I use an axe II, and couldn't believe it the first time I used a mooer preamp. That ge300 is making waves also. And far easier to use...Fractal...
Good products. For me Kemper all day long. Kemper imho had always the best (100% identical) plug and play amp tone. But, man, just look what Moore has done for a few bucks! Mooer impresses me really with these two new units. Seems to me like whoever's spends thousands of bucks for "High CPU units" ... ;-) in the year 2019 ... only for amp modelling is simply nuts.
Idk why people are shitting on the bias so much? Considering that he didn't even tweak anything the tone matching was almost pretty damn spot on. The fractal sounded the worst imo, but I'm sure would sound spot on with more tweaking. The fact that any of these even sound remotely close is insane. Lesson learned: Once you learn how to EQ shit properly, you'll sound like the real deal in no time.
There are many things to like about this video: you didn’t waste time talking, you nailed the volume level differences between the units, you picked an appropriate song for the demo, and the soloed-guitar screenshot from Logic Pro X was a great idea. But the video also makes a fatal flaw that, for me, is a dealbreaker; you didn’t tweak the sounds in any way. This puts a serious disadvantage on the Fractals (which are the most tweakable units in the comparison), and gives an unnatural advantage to the Mooer and Overloud products, which have a lot less user-programming depth. Two suggestions for next time: 1. Instead of just playing the raw model, do what an actual player would do with each unit: tweak it to get it as close to the amp as possible; 2. Go back to the real amp between each modeler to refresh viewers’ ears. Great job, overall. Looking forward to the rest of the series!
You make valid points, but ag the same time, the video is about each unit's ability to match the tone of the original right out the gate. Sure, you can tweak each to match the original sound, but that's more work the user has to do after all the time spent getting the original sound. Full disclosure: I am a Kemper user. I chose the Kemper because unlike the others, it has the ability to record and play back every part of the original signal chain with NEAR total accuracy, as opposed to being an interpretation of the original tone.
@@anthonyknight5114 Your video is about as useful as an amp demo with all knobs at noon unfotunately. I understand you put work into this but nobody uses these products that way.
@@Andromahlius you do know that not all amps sound and respond the same with all the knobs at noon, don't you? Soooooooo, I demo like that would actually be pretty useful if say, you were looking at two different amps and one turned out to be naturally darker than the other. If you tweaked them to make them sound the same, you wouldn't know about their natural tonal differences.
@@JiTiAr35 I play blind and it sounded good to me, lol... Good 7 string one note sometimes he even plays to strings ata time,,, How is this any comparison for anything other than djent. Terrible demo of examples...
th-u rig player is the best plugin format ampsim on the market and I would say it's more for the pros because it's hard to tweak the perfect tone, just like the real thing is, but you can get it all from it... but if the dude just want to have amazing tones quick neuraldsp is in another level of ease to use and amazing sounds.
wow! the kemper sounded exactly the same to my ears! Very dissapointed with the AXE FX though.... Probably with some tweaking It could get a closer sound but I understand that this is the direct capture from the Peavey. Im extrememly impressed with the mooer units. Well done!
This is a very good comparison, although did you use 6505 presets on all the modelers or did you use custom IR's and presets? did yo use the same IR on all the modelers? did you profile the amp with the kemper? It would be interesting to have a little bit more info on this. I thought the kemper was the closest of the bunch. The TH-U adds a little mids, the mooers sound very good, a little bit different, they kind of enhance low and high frequencies although, axefx were dissapointing, very digital sounding, muddy and middy, Bias sounds good although lacks character, maybe too trebly too, sounds a bit more digital to my taste... staying with the kemper... Mooer GE300 is impressive for its price and compact form, very promising. What do you think?
All are great, but still missing this kind of depth or air real amp has. I don't know what is it, is it transients or dynamic response maybe, but all amp sims still to feel a little bit more flat in response than real amp, more compressed like. But this is a comparison video yeah? I believe, if any of those would be used in just a song - well mixed song - no one would ever noticed or be bothered was it real amp or simulation of it only. For the price of a plugin especially vs real amp - no-brainer to me if speaking of home recording when room and loudness are an issue.
It doesn’t seem like the mooer emulates the 6505 at all. I personally don’t like the sound of the 6505. It sounds like it would be great for a mix though. The sound on for itself though on the mooer sounded great. I was hoping it would beat all the competition and while I was listening without looking I was hoping for something to FINALLY sound ok. Guess which one it was? The mooer. The others sound cold and the distortion is not interesting to my ears.
Nice job, but 2 critiques, would like to hear the same shorter riff go from amp to unit then amp to next unit, then amp to next unit and so on. I don't believe I'm saying this cause my hearing is for shit, but during the brief quite spots during the 2nd half of the video, I'm hearing some buzzing, and no it's not my tinnitus, lol.
@@ChopTonesOfficial That unfortunately doesnt help with the different style playing between the amp clips. I do really appreciate the effort but this would make it a lot better.
Overloud and Kemper are the heroes here. I'm frankly shocked the Fractal stuff sound sooooooooo far off considering their reputation. Listening on a set of Bowers and Wilkins PX7's so it def not my headphones.
bias fx 2 is great but i feel their better work is in Bias amp 2. the tubes configurations are impressive.. the one that i can't stop using is overloud thu on my ipad pro.... i would like to see a video comparing the quality of the sound engine from the desktop version to the mobile version... that would be awesome.. nobody has ever done that !!!
Did you make the tone capture of the same amp that you used in the video?? Or are just presets from the every device??. Can we get the audio files or the sesión??. Great video btw.
Yes, we used Tone Capture features of each device in order to capture the real amp, with the settings showed in the video. We'll not share the session but you could check the isolated tracks from 2:42 !
The Kemper was spot on. The two Mooer devices were close...they both sounded great but not as dead on as the Kemper. TH-U sounded pretty good. Didn't care for any of the others.
I think you can't do it your own matching, but they sell you the profile packs in their website, and Choptones have developed some packs for TH-U. I have the American Classics and maaaan, those Mesas sound reallygreat! they have some peavies (not this one tho), soldano and fender amps, and a gibson amp in that pack, just load a mesa mark iii for example and throw some overdrive pedal, and boom! awesome beefy tone in 4 secs!
not sure what you're hearing, but i thought BIAS sounded great. did you listen to the peavy amp and then skip to the BIAS tone for a direct comparison, or did you just listen to BIAS straight after the inaccurate muddy-sounding efforts from the two axefx units?
@@fnaah_au I did not like the AXE's either, but the BIAS, to me, feels as if it lacks attack and definition in around the 200Hz area and have some fizziness that I cannot really define. I have the BIAS FX2 (that I never use after I got the TH-U) and maybe there's just something there that I do not like. Taste?
Well, to my very trained ears, Kemper is the closest.. all of the others sound like they have a completely different EQ curve/tonality.. like if it was a different IR. The funny part is that BIAS is the 2nd closest in tone lol (which i don't get at all, since the Axe FX III should be way better, even without any tweaking whatsoever).
It’s cool to hear this but your comparing models to previous model, should be the actual amp clip leading directly into each model, cause u can’t really make out the differences otherwise.
Bias played right after the Peavey sounds way better than right after the axe. axe seems to have an undertone sub distortion thing going on. kemper not as impressive as i would have expected. all in all, they are all workable with some tweaks. matching amps is great but getting the 'best' tone regardless of match is key to me.
We love also Fractal devices! In fact, Fractal allows to go very deeply in tweaking. As we said, tones were not tweaked in any way, is the pure result of the matching process embedded.
ChoptonesOfficial it’s the problem with AxeFxIII... when I had it I spent hours and hours refining my sound, trying IRs and everything... it’s killing creativity and pleasure to play. With Kemper you always have good profiles and then time to really play guitar.
Samuel Guymer Kemper sounds the best. Just fantastic. I think your ears need syringing. Kemper is very, well Kemper like. If you hear a Kemper in a room it will be like a Kemper that has a loud sound. Kemper is Kempered, you know what I am saying. If you profile a Kemper will it sound like a Kemper or a Kemper profiled. It is really strange to think about. I have no idea with Kempers to be honest although I would like to hear a Kemper with a Kemper on the roof?
Glass bottles for the win in my opinion. Really awesome job with the 57 and 421, sounds kill. That being said, modern amp modelling is 97+% there and getting better every day. In the mix its virtually impossible to tell what was used. Conclusion: Yes
1. Kemper - hard to distinguish. 2. THU - Just a little loss of upper end clarity but otherwise very close! Impressive. 3. Mooer stuff - Lacking body, a bit fizzy and lack of definition. 4. Fractal stuff - definition not bad but something weird in the mids. sounds hollow. 5. BIAS - sounded a bit thin and brittle.
Bias is not an amp matching device, its a software amp simulation. There no work put into it that would make it sound similar to the original amps, and is therefore as bad as Amplitube. STL Tones just released 3 artist plugins and its ToneHub software and I'd like to see how it would match up on this list.
I think the edge of sound difference is erased. It is so small that you can not notice it. I prefer use compact size things and after buying processor there no reason to use real amps. It works for me.
The real thing (6505) is the best for me. Then i like a lot the Ge-300. The Fractal is not good at my ears. Would like to see Boss Gt-1000 in this comparasion. Cheers from Portugal 🍺🤘
Had a talk with mark Knopfler about his Kemper in Paris and he said « we have tested all those Fractal, Kemper and digital boxes and only Kemper has the level of amp feel and sound to reproduce the touch of my fingers and great tonality, in fact it’s an amp, not a modeler, that’s simple, try it by yourself » and « no I will not sell the profiles, just make yours by yourself with the sound you like, you can’t always rely on someone else creativity »... argl not so cool Mark ;)
By fact none of them will match the amp 100% cuz is still very hard to mimic a tube amp's response 🤔 My ranking: Kemper GE300 TH-U Axe FX3-2XL Bias ( very decent btw, I will start using it till I get a GE300...love that unit and what Mooer is doing)
Should use the same riff in order to hear the difference. Fractal the worst and please don't tell me you can tweak the fractal because all others can be tweak too just because you supported Fractal.
The both axefx where most of .the last plugin seemed closer but my ears where already too adjusted to the axfx. Would have prefered hearing that before them.but nevertheless al useable tones.modeling has come a long way
I thought they all sounded good until we got to Bias. They gonna have to up their game. The big winner is Mooer. They brought amp profiling to the $400ish price point. The others will have to take notice.
We love also Fractal devices! In fact, Fractal allows to go very deeply in tweaking. As we said, tones were not tweaked in any way, is the pure result of the matching process embedded.
ChoptonesOfficial if the Fractal was great, why didn’t the tone match do a decent job of capturing the tone of the sampled amp? That’s the whole point of tone match, so you would not have to tweak. Every good sound engineer knows that the initial recording has to be as good as possible before adding or subtracting.
ChoptonesOfficial I did not say Choptones did a bad job, because you did an great job. I’m talking about Fractal’s matching capability doesn’t seem as convincing in this demo as some of the other lower priced units.
![AXE FX III - TOP 5 ROCK/METAL AMPS [w/ patches]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/t31aWxeNikA/mqdefault.jpg)
Peavey 6505 2:43
Kemper 3:00
THU 3:24
Mooer ge300 3:43
Mooer Preamp live 4:01
Fractal Axe III 4:21
Fractal Axe II 4:38
Bias Amp 4:57
In is video,
the Kemper and Bias amp profil setup are the closest original 6505 recording.
Nice Angelo ! ;)
fixer this
Overloud TH-U was very impressive. The Fractals were disapointing.
We love also Fractal devices! In fact, Fractal allows to go very deeply in tweaking. As we said, tones were not tweaked in any way, is the pure result of the matching process embedded.
At first, I thought the Fractals were way off, but in the second half (with the Logic Pro X screenshot), I listened to the real amp again and then went straight to the Fractals; they aren’t as far off as it initially sounds, but by the time the video got to them, I think my ear was used to the Mooer sounds.
@@BeckyYork no man the fractals are like it is something else entirely. The most distanced of them all
THU is insane, i dunno how they do it
Great video, the Bias sounded way different, and I was impressed by the Mooer GE 300
Great, but... I would like to hear the same comparison between this units, but always with the same riff. Preferably interleaving between amp and unit, amp and unit, amp and unit...
Agree 100%...also to throw a snippet of the real deal before each model for easy comparison.
Great idea!
U know what else would be great?! Using the same IR for all of the units, this way we'd know the differences on the preamp sims.
THIS
i'm really impressed by the mooer preamp live considering it's only around 380 euro
It's crazy how good amp modeling has become. I would have killed to have any of these when I was young learning guitar.
The least digital sounding, without that top end fizz and mid-low mud, with great definition and fast response, was TH-U. The dynamic seemed a bit level, but not displeasing. Second was the Mooer Preamp. The AXE FX and the Bias were last, in my book.
All mooers suffering from lack of lows. That's becoming especially clear in the mix. Can be easy healed by eq-ing.
Kemper is the most faithfull but I must say I was surprised by the GE300. Bias didn't sound so bad this time, lol. Fractal was disappointing though
Fractal allows to go very deeply in tweaking. As we said, tones were not tweaked in any way, is the pure result of the matching process embedded.
@@ChopTonesOfficial Yeah, but you have to...
Please Please PLEASE upload a video of all the units playing the same parts of the riff. Seriously eyeing the mooer, but couldn't get any of the low notes in this comparison. Would really appreciate a 1:1 comparison, thank you very much! :)
All of them are very close to the original except the Fractal units. Bias is one of the closest, but sounds weird after the Axe units, which are way off. Tone comparison demos like this need to have the real amp in between each of the clips to reset your ears because people are way better at judging relative sounds vs. absolute.
THIS
For me this bias sounds worst. Also in my mixes, especially when it comes to lead sections. I mostly use th-u. It is so damn underrated.
I hear what your talking about, but the change was drastic when it got to axe fx, would like to hear the amp clip leading into each individual model so u can really hear how bias compares.
Kemper sounded identical IMO, may have to get one this year.
You wont' regret that decision! I've had mine since 2014....never looked back!
@@jasonhoddinott9413 I've been on and off the fence about it for so long haha, but most of my tones come from an amp sim from that video, and the Kemper sounded closer, so I think I should definitely pick one up this year. Maybe the unpowered rack and a class A/B power amp
@@metalloid3417 save yourself the trouble and buy the power rack. I have mine in a 4U Gator case with a Furman racked above it. I put my Line 6 G50 wireless on the inside of the case and I have a complete portable unit for jamming and gigging :)
@@jasonhoddinott9413 I might go for the powered head, prefer the look of the head more and they're the same price anyway. Won't be able to get one until November so lots of time to decide haha.
the rig player in th-u actually uses the same ir technology as kemper does, and, to my ears, it sounds excellent. the rest is up to what sample packs you get.
As someone said, all units with the same riff would be better for a comparison. But thanks anyway. The Kemper sounds great, a bit too boomy in the low end for my taste, but I'm really surprised by the sound of the GE300 and the MOOER Preamp Live. From all units their sound is most pleasant to MY ears.
Also the same ir cab files woild be great...
Kemper and both Mooers. I'm sure you could tweak the AxeFX units to sound more like anything here, same for all others, but I'd go with my mentions for the simple fact that they capture real amp tones also and sounded great here.
Yep as expected. Mooer over axe. Amazing for the price difference. I use an axe II, and couldn't believe it the first time I used a mooer preamp. That ge300 is making waves also. And far easier to use...Fractal...
Good products. For me Kemper all day long. Kemper imho had always the best (100% identical) plug and play amp tone. But, man, just look what Moore has done for a few bucks! Mooer impresses me really with these two new units. Seems to me like whoever's spends thousands of bucks for "High CPU units" ... ;-) in the year 2019 ... only for amp modelling is simply nuts.
Idk why people are shitting on the bias so much? Considering that he didn't even tweak anything the tone matching was almost pretty damn spot on. The fractal sounded the worst imo, but I'm sure would sound spot on with more tweaking. The fact that any of these even sound remotely close is insane.
Lesson learned: Once you learn how to EQ shit properly, you'll sound like the real deal in no time.
It is all good, for a modern distorted sound like this all work.
how do I get that th-u profile?
man the Mooer GE 300 was very good
For the price it would want to be.
Kemper sounded good but lacked a little bit of thump. Bias also sounded surprisingly close. Everything else changed the tone a bit.
There are many things to like about this video: you didn’t waste time talking, you nailed the volume level differences between the units, you picked an appropriate song for the demo, and the soloed-guitar screenshot from Logic Pro X was a great idea. But the video also makes a fatal flaw that, for me, is a dealbreaker; you didn’t tweak the sounds in any way. This puts a serious disadvantage on the Fractals (which are the most tweakable units in the comparison), and gives an unnatural advantage to the Mooer and Overloud products, which have a lot less user-programming depth.
Two suggestions for next time: 1. Instead of just playing the raw model, do what an actual player would do with each unit: tweak it to get it as close to the amp as possible; 2. Go back to the real amp between each modeler to refresh viewers’ ears.
Great job, overall. Looking forward to the rest of the series!
You make valid points, but ag the same time, the video is about each unit's ability to match the tone of the original right out the gate. Sure, you can tweak each to match the original sound, but that's more work the user has to do after all the time spent getting the original sound. Full disclosure: I am a Kemper user. I chose the Kemper because unlike the others, it has the ability to record and play back every part of the original signal chain with NEAR total accuracy, as opposed to being an interpretation of the original tone.
@@anthonyknight5114 Your video is about as useful as an amp demo with all knobs at noon unfotunately. I understand you put work into this but nobody uses these products that way.
@@Andromahlius My video???
@@Andromahlius you do know that not all amps sound and respond the same with all the knobs at noon, don't you? Soooooooo, I demo like that would actually be pretty useful if say, you were looking at two different amps and one turned out to be naturally darker than the other. If you tweaked them to make them sound the same, you wouldn't know about their natural tonal differences.
No doubt for the price Kemper is a masterpiece.
Could you make more style with this type of comparison video (to compare low end on Mesa boogie or Marshall)
Where's the low B tuner at 1:23???🤔
6505 vs Kemper profiling 6505 vs GE300 tone capturing 6505 blind test please.
All the devices are in this video...
@@ChopTonesOfficial sorry. I meant blind test. PS: edited.
Close your eyes :P
@@JiTiAr35 I play blind and it sounded good to me, lol... Good 7 string one note sometimes he even plays to strings ata time,,, How is this any comparison for anything other than djent. Terrible demo of examples...
I'll take TH-U for about a 10th of the cost of the Kemper.
Really impressed with the THU. Is this one your Pivy 65 or the stock one that comes with the plugin?
It's one custom Rig
th-u rig player is the best plugin format ampsim on the market and I would say it's more for the pros because it's hard to tweak the perfect tone, just like the real thing is, but you can get it all from it... but if the dude just want to have amazing tones quick neuraldsp is in another level of ease to use and amazing sounds.
wow! the kemper sounded exactly the same to my ears! Very dissapointed with the AXE FX though.... Probably with some tweaking It could get a closer sound but I understand that this is the direct capture from the Peavey. Im extrememly impressed with the mooer units. Well done!
Great test! Any idea when the 5150 for TH-U comes out? :)
Today ;-)
This is a very good comparison, although did you use 6505 presets on all the modelers or did you use custom IR's and presets? did yo use the same IR on all the modelers? did you profile the amp with the kemper? It would be interesting to have a little bit more info on this. I thought the kemper was the closest of the bunch. The TH-U adds a little mids, the mooers sound very good, a little bit different, they kind of enhance low and high frequencies although, axefx were dissapointing, very digital sounding, muddy and middy, Bias sounds good although lacks character, maybe too trebly too, sounds a bit more digital to my taste... staying with the kemper... Mooer GE300 is impressive for its price and compact form, very promising. What do you think?
Tone Matching features.
Where did you get the 6505-Choptones rig from? You're not selling it, eh?
:D
@@ChopTonesOfficial - ha, until NOW! \m/
is it worth it to buy choptones from THU ? or can i get those sounds tweaking around with different amps, pedals, etc?? thanks !!
These are based on real amps :)
All are great, but still missing this kind of depth or air real amp has. I don't know what is it, is it transients or dynamic response maybe, but all amp sims still to feel a little bit more flat in response than real amp, more compressed like. But this is a comparison video yeah? I believe, if any of those would be used in just a song - well mixed song - no one would ever noticed or be bothered was it real amp or simulation of it only. For the price of a plugin especially vs real amp - no-brainer to me if speaking of home recording when room and loudness are an issue.
It doesn’t seem like the mooer emulates the 6505 at all. I personally don’t like the sound of the 6505. It sounds like it would be great for a mix though. The sound on for itself though on the mooer sounded great. I was hoping it would beat all the competition and while I was listening without looking I was hoping for something to FINALLY sound ok. Guess which one it was? The mooer. The others sound cold and the distortion is not interesting to my ears.
Nice job, but 2 critiques, would like to hear the same shorter riff go from amp to unit then amp to next unit, then amp to next unit and so on. I don't believe I'm saying this cause my hearing is for shit, but during the brief quite spots during the 2nd half of the video, I'm hearing some buzzing, and no it's not my tinnitus, lol.
Thats exactly was i was thinking, use the same riff and switch from the"real"amp to the simulated and then back to the "real" and then the next one.
Switch to any point using timecodes :)
@@ChopTonesOfficial That unfortunately doesnt help with the different style playing between the amp clips. I do really appreciate the effort but this would make it a lot better.
Overloud and Kemper are the heroes here. I'm frankly shocked the Fractal stuff sound sooooooooo far off considering their reputation.
Listening on a set of Bowers and Wilkins PX7's so it def not my headphones.
bias fx 2 is great but i feel their better work is in Bias amp 2. the tubes configurations are impressive.. the one that i can't stop using is overloud thu on my ipad pro.... i would like to see a video comparing the quality of the sound engine from the desktop version to the mobile version... that would be awesome.. nobody has ever done that !!!
Did you make the tone capture of the same amp that you used in the video?? Or are just presets from the every device??. Can we get the audio files or the sesión??. Great video btw.
Yes, we used Tone Capture features of each device in order to capture the real amp, with the settings showed in the video. We'll not share the session but you could check the isolated tracks from 2:42 !
Kemper the best, fractal the worst
Fractal just added more “gah”, still good quality sounds
The Kemper was spot on. The two Mooer devices were close...they both sounded great but not as dead on as the Kemper. TH-U sounded pretty good. Didn't care for any of the others.
No Helix this time? :-(
Helix doesn't have stock Amp Matching features
Overloud doesn't do amp matching right????
I think you can't do it your own matching, but they sell you the profile packs in their website, and Choptones have developed some packs for TH-U. I have the American Classics and maaaan, those Mesas sound reallygreat! they have some peavies (not this one tho), soldano and fender amps, and a gibson amp in that pack, just load a mesa mark iii for example and throw some overdrive pedal, and boom! awesome beefy tone in 4 secs!
Did the units use stock IR's or did they all use the same custom IR?
Tone Matching features.
Is this a fair comparison? Most of these were hardware units, but @ChoptonesOffical is using the BIAS Amp software, but not with a BIAS Head.
They sounds the same.
there is not the same IR used on every unit, or is it?
i guess the amp matching thing does the entire rig, no?
Exactly!
And on the Axe Fx you are using the tone match block? Can’t believe that because the frequency response sounds quite different.
@@Schrotty90 TM Block
@@Schrotty90 yea i think so, why metalica, dreamteater used mesa boogie with axe fc II 😁😁😁😁
Oh, it hurts me to hear how BIAS Amp struggled to keep up. The TH-U stood up good, in my opinion, against the Giants.
not sure what you're hearing, but i thought BIAS sounded great. did you listen to the peavy amp and then skip to the BIAS tone for a direct comparison, or did you just listen to BIAS straight after the inaccurate muddy-sounding efforts from the two axefx units?
@@fnaah_au I did not like the AXE's either, but the BIAS, to me, feels as if it lacks attack and definition in around the 200Hz area and have some fizziness that I cannot really define. I have the BIAS FX2 (that I never use after I got the TH-U) and maybe there's just something there that I do not like. Taste?
Well, to my very trained ears, Kemper is the closest.. all of the others sound like they have a completely different EQ curve/tonality.. like if it was a different IR. The funny part is that BIAS is the 2nd closest in tone lol (which i don't get at all, since the Axe FX III should be way better, even without any tweaking whatsoever).
Fractal was disappointing, last one..... Anyone have the same low end of 6505... Excelent video. Thanks
It’s cool to hear this but your comparing models to previous model, should be the actual amp clip leading directly into each model, cause u can’t really make out the differences otherwise.
Bias played right after the Peavey sounds way better than right after the axe. axe seems to have an undertone sub distortion thing going on. kemper not as impressive as i would have expected. all in all, they are all workable with some tweaks. matching amps is great but getting the 'best' tone regardless of match is key to me.
No helix?
Mooer really really good and on the money.
Sorprendenti i mooer, bias e kemper quasi uguali anche se al kemper sembra di sentire un certo aliasing sulle alte, fractal deludenti
Why is the axe fx so off?!!!
Kemper is of course impressive here... Axefx II and III are the less accurate....
We love also Fractal devices! In fact, Fractal allows to go very deeply in tweaking. As we said, tones were not tweaked in any way, is the pure result of the matching process embedded.
ChoptonesOfficial it’s the problem with AxeFxIII... when I had it I spent hours and hours refining my sound, trying IRs and everything... it’s killing creativity and pleasure to play. With Kemper you always have good profiles and then time to really play guitar.
Kemper sounds thin and lacking harmonics. Worst in the bunch.
Samuel Guymer Kemper sounds the best. Just fantastic. I think your ears need syringing. Kemper is very, well Kemper like. If you hear a Kemper in a room it will be like a Kemper that has a loud sound. Kemper is Kempered, you know what I am saying. If you profile a Kemper will it sound like a Kemper or a Kemper profiled. It is really strange to think about. I have no idea with Kempers to be honest although I would like to hear a Kemper with a Kemper on the roof?
Glass bottles for the win in my opinion. Really awesome job with the 57 and 421, sounds kill. That being said, modern amp modelling is 97+% there and getting better every day. In the mix its virtually impossible to tell what was used.
Conclusion: Yes
1. Kemper - hard to distinguish.
2. THU - Just a little loss of upper end clarity but otherwise very close! Impressive.
3. Mooer stuff - Lacking body, a bit fizzy and lack of definition.
4. Fractal stuff - definition not bad but something weird in the mids. sounds hollow.
5. BIAS - sounded a bit thin and brittle.
Cazzuto come sempre!!! _\m/
Bias is not an amp matching device, its a software amp simulation. There no work put into it that would make it sound similar to the original amps, and is therefore as bad as Amplitube.
STL Tones just released 3 artist plugins and its ToneHub software and I'd like to see how it would match up on this list.
I think the edge of sound difference is erased. It is so small that you can not notice it. I prefer use compact size things and after buying processor there no reason to use real amps. It works for me.
The real thing (6505) is the best for me. Then i like a lot the Ge-300. The Fractal is not good at my ears. Would like to see Boss Gt-1000 in this comparasion.
Cheers from Portugal 🍺🤘
It gets muffled in the 2 Fractals.
Kemper is the best !
Killer lick!!!
Kemper all the way
Had a talk with mark Knopfler about his Kemper in Paris and he said « we have tested all those Fractal, Kemper and digital boxes and only Kemper has the level of amp feel and sound to reproduce the touch of my fingers and great tonality, in fact it’s an amp, not a modeler, that’s simple, try it by yourself » and « no I will not sell the profiles, just make yours by yourself with the sound you like, you can’t always rely on someone else creativity »... argl not so cool Mark ;)
Kemper jonol...👍👍👍
By fact none of them will match the amp 100% cuz is still very hard to mimic a tube amp's response 🤔
My ranking:
Kemper
GE300
TH-U
Axe FX3-2XL
Bias ( very decent btw, I will start using it till I get a GE300...love that unit and what Mooer is doing)
I own an AXE 3. It's important how do dial in the tones. This soundclip is not good, sorry. Wrong IR in my opinion
Please check our other comments about AX3
mooer !!!! wow but you do something to the AXE FX wrong to make it sound Bad 🙄
just kidding 😜
Uhm... Why does axe sound like it's an amp mic'd up in cardboard box?!
Bias amp is the best in my opinion
THU!!
Bias plugin sounds almost same as original..other less...but all sounds good. good demo...thanks
Tomas Pavelka The high end frequencies sizzle and singe my ears! A simply low pass filter doesn’t help much because the midrange isn’t very defined!
Kemper for the win!
Th-u
Original and Kemper. Forget the rest.
*Positive Grid* no way
Im dont like bicorse you gais didint a only rif for bolth machines! This is the more corret way for make a compare!
Should use the same riff in order to hear the difference. Fractal the worst and please don't tell me you can tweak the fractal because all others can be tweak too just because you supported Fractal.
Yes, every platform could be tweaked, but this was the result of pure Tone Matching algorithm.
They all sound great, I love how The fractal sounds!
The both axefx where most of .the last plugin seemed closer but my ears where already too adjusted to the axfx. Would have prefered hearing that before them.but nevertheless al useable tones.modeling has come a long way
Bias Amp
Fractal Axe III
I thought they all sounded good until we got to Bias. They gonna have to up their game. The big winner is Mooer. They brought amp profiling to the $400ish price point. The others will have to take notice.
..... What?! You're gonna tell me the Fractal stuff sounded good? Listen to the amp and skip to the Bias.... It's nearly dead on.
Bias fx sounded the worst, no doubt about it.
lmao the kemper to me sounded better than the real amp
Bias FX
Mooer GE300.
That axe fxiii lost every single bit of tightness the 6505 had
use same riff next time
My grandma wouldn't like any of them.
ok
fractal it's so far...
We love also Fractal devices! In fact, Fractal allows to go very deeply in tweaking. As we said, tones were not tweaked in any way, is the pure result of the matching process embedded.
ChoptonesOfficial if the Fractal was great, why didn’t the tone match do a decent job of capturing the tone of the sampled amp? That’s the whole point of tone match, so you would not have to tweak. Every good sound engineer knows that the initial recording has to be as good as possible before adding or subtracting.
@@orbithesun1 Capturing Job has been done well by our side, with every platform.
ChoptonesOfficial I did not say Choptones did a bad job, because you did an great job. I’m talking about Fractal’s matching capability doesn’t seem as convincing in this demo as some of the other lower priced units.
@@orbithesun1 Tone match on fractal its just an extra, where Axe shines is on the modelling, not the "profiling".
Noise, Noise, Noise!!!!!
Kemper the best. Im really impressed by mooer. Th-u sounds good to my ears. Fractal the worst....
Hah I can`t belive but the Bias beat others,then next best is Axe.
You deaf m8? So much difference between the real thing and Axe Fx.