Carl Jung on Life After Death: "Death is Not an End"
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Carl Jung answers this question about death: Is there life after death? He says:
"Death is psychologically as important as birth, and like it, is an integral part of life. … As a doctor, I make every effort to strengthen the belief in immortality, especially with older patients when such questions come threateningly close. For, seen in correct psychological perspective, death is not an end but a goal, and life’s inclination towards death begins as soon as the meridian is passed." Jung, Memories, Dreams, Reflections, 306
_Video Chapters_
00:00 - "Death is as important as birth"
04:57 - Jung's Salt Metaphor/Potential Parable
05:48 - Psyche Needs the Afterlife Like the Body Needs Salt?
07:26 - Salt as the Quintessence of Divinity
10:58 - Jung & Christ Use Salt as a Symbol
15:00 - Bonus: Jung's Salt Metaphor Analysis & a Question For You
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Thanks TLife, I appreciate it
Perfect timing🤌
Glad to hear it! Synchronicity can be one of the most helpful things in life 💯
@JoshRueff A synchronicity indeed! I recently watched a video on the Buddhist teaching of anatta or the "No-self" teaching. ( if you aren't familiar I suggest checking it out)
I'll start by saying I completely understand how the Five skandhas aggregated together into memories over time can give a notion of self identity and once free from that mental constraint one can identify "themselves" or the lack there of as non-existant. HOWEVER that leads me to two questions
1, how can NO THING identify as NO THING. For "no-thing" to differentiate itself from its original "physical identity" it would inherently always have a notion of not BEING the physical body therefore still sharing a Juxtaposed position. ( maybe that's the limitation of language in explaining such topic) either way it would always have a Meta-identity I suppose you could say.
2. If there is not identity or "soul" because the "I" we identify with is simply no more than aggregates of stimulus in short. What can be said about near death experiences and the accurate descriptions the individual report along with environmental accuracys of events happening.
It seems to be like Jung believes that as the body needs its salt so does the Psyche. I believe out soul if you wish or a energetic form of us does live on differentiated from the whole but yet still realizing it is part of the whole thus birthing for awareness.
I didn't search for Jung thoughts of the after life. youtube notified me when you posted this video. ( which wasn't even possible to search at the time because you hadn't even posted the video) I must admit I was curious and you answered that curiosity. So a true synchronicity indeed👏👏
@@mattsparks8175 That is amazing. Wow, thanks for sharing that Matt, it's always great to hear stories like that, for so many reasons 🙌 It's very encouraging, for one, motivating - eye-opening too. No matter how much I experience synchronicity in my life, it's almost always a reinvigorating sort of surprise.
Yesterday I had an interesting synchronicity after reading/responding to your comment. I went to the bookstore, read/researched for a couple hours then went to my car. Waiting for me there, wedged in the handle, was a little rubber unicorn toy, with "X-Terra" written on the bottom, which is the brand of the vehicle I drive. Very odd I thought, made me laugh.
But then I remembered the conversation I had recently had with my wife, who had jokingly called us unicorns because of the way we live life (just a bunch very different lifestyle choices, most of which work out really well for us thankfully, but many of which many if not most would consider odd).
I'm not 100% sure what it could mean, or if it's just a funny coincidence, but it's definitely something I'll be thinking on, and keeping my eyes open for other dots to connect.
In my humble opinion, couple of points are understood a bit differently compared to what Jung intended and require some elucidation:
First, Jung does talk about certain obvious Reasons and Facts (Dreams, Visions, Prediction of future, NDE, etc) that he observed in his patients and people in general, that indicate some sort of existence outside of our physical bodies/confinements. Of course, he does not know the exact form of the existence after death, but he has definite indications from the unconscious that existence continues.
Second, I think the "Salt" is brought by Jung for just a simple comparison reasons, viz. observing his dying patients he noticed that psyche opposes the idea that the life will end and as he acknowledges "disregards the complete end", therefore (+ the reasons discussed by me in the first part of the commentary), for old people he recommends to "live on, look for the next adventure as if life were going on", even without definite proof that life will not end, still its worth to believe that it will continue and live in this "mode" until the end. And this way of living is healthier and better for the human being than living in fear and petrification that life/everything will end soon. And he brings the "salt" comparison - that we might don't know exactly why we eat salt, but we eat salt too, because you feel healthier and better. It's just a simple comparison, instead of salt, he could have said sugar, water, or something else that is essential for human existence and it has nothing to do with Eros, Divinity, Christ Symbol, Quintessence, or other.
Thank you for the critique, I appreciate it. It's good to weigh these things out, and poke holes wherever it's needed. Although I'm not sure where we disagree in your first point, and for the second, I'd say we only disagree if you're sure Jung used salt in a (relatively) arbitrary manner (not symbolically in the way I suggest).
I'm not certain he used it consciously or unconsciously as a symbol, but I think it's possible, and even probable. Interestingly, he understood the symbolism of salt more deeply than most, perhaps more than anyone from his time, and it clearly was deeply significant to him, considering the time and effort he spent to understand the symbol and to write and teach about it. It's speculative, and of course, there's no way of knowing whether he used it in a symbolically meaningful way or not.
But my guess is, as I said in the video, that it was symbolically purposeful and more relevant to the subject than most would pick up on, whether he planted the symbol consciously or unconsciously.
There seem (to me) to be some good reasons to believe that interpretation, but no good reasons to say it's impossible (not that this is your stance necessarily).
If Jung meant something different... I'll put it this way -- most Jungians read him at least slightly differently than others in some way, in the same way that every Christian denomination has at least a slightly different understanding of the scriptures.
Do you have good evidence Jung meant something different than what I propose here, or do you basically just mean you interpret what he said differently?
Hopefully I didn't miss something there, in a hurry and I may have, my apologies if I did.
@@JoshRueff Of course brother and thank you for the reply, its nice to have a friendly discussion.
As for the salt, considering the context/moment of the Jung's interview, I'm almost sure that the salt was mentioned arbitrary only, but I never thought and have no clue why Jung's conscious suggested the word salt in the first place and why not the other substance, water for example. This is an interesting question, but I think its beyond my knowledge and understanding to guess. Maybe you're right and his conscious/unconscious prioritized the salt because of the symbolical reasons and the fact that Jung has been researching this word many years in past, or maybe he wanted to hint to the listener of the word's significance, but honestly I cant really say.