Mahindra has to keep the payload that low on paper to stay under the required weight limit (i think it is 3750 pounds GVWR max, not sure) to be classified and sold as a SxS/UTV. It's a gov't thing, not Mahindra. I carry a1000 pounds in mine all the time.
Your correct about the 3750lb GVWR. Thought I think it’s dealers who call it a SXS or UTV and Mahindra calls it farm equipment. Mandates also require it to be 1000cc or less to be a SXS/UTV.
@@ripnandtearing the emissions regulations on 1000cc or less is minimal compared to larger engine sizes. Manufacturers didn’t want to spend the R&D money to get larger sizes when technology could get more power from turbos and superchargers. Polaris realized they had done most of the work already in the slingshots engine. It’ll be interesting to see what other manufacturers do now that Polaris has crossed the line. Though almost $40k for an off-road toy will limit the market.
Rotor can carry a much higher load than advertised. It can easily be converted to be made road legal but they only sell non-road legal Roxors. It can easily be tuned to develop a lot more power and road speed, but it is sold detuned? Why? To meet the requirements for low tax import. Mahendra imports a detuned and de-specced vehicle, and allows American mechanics and suppliers to tune and re-spec it to the American customer's requirements. Roxor supports a whole infrastructure of small American businesses around it.
well this roxor is known as thar in india and we have seen a lot of time that thar is towing ford Everest when it reach to its off-road limit and even a fully loaded truck
I had owned an MM540 in India .. virtually the same vehicle for 10 years plus... regularly carried 500 kg ( 1100 pounds). In fact it is super smooth when heavily loaded!!
Put a couple of 20 ton axle stands (large slices of tree trunk) under the bucket if you leave it elevated. If the hydraulics fail...it could injure you as your feet would likely be under the front edge of the bucket when you move the weights...
These vehicles are heavily overloaded in the high range areas of India, sometimes carrying up to 21 people. Just calculating at 70Kgs. per head, that nearly 1500 Kgs. And mind you, this vehicle pulls such loads in off road terrain and quite steep conditions.
But still it's not rated around 1500kilos. In most 3rd world countries drivers often exceed the max GVM limits. The Mahindra MM550, (which is literally the same Roxor sold to the Indian public decades ago) had a GVM of only 1950 kilos. 500kilos might be the safest assumption.
Aaaah North Indian people with the ego and race superiority complex again. Indian men's average height is 5'6 (no claimed 5'8) and weight 65kg..I SAID MOST not North Indian men.. Even N indian men average height is 5'7-5'8..you guys have so little self esteem and a brittle ego
even 50+ year old mahindra vehicles (100s of them) are still used even at tropical hilly areas of south India... since other load bearing vehicles can't run in that offroad conditions and elevations, most of the people uses mahindra vehicles to carry even timber to sawmills...
In India they can pull more than 2 tons load capacity in a trailer and in a cabin this is what the Willys Jeep the Mahindra MM40 and the old Mahindra Thar did that has the same engine as the Roxor.Sadly the Mahindra cannot enjoy their freedom of Willys Licence in the USA as they have Rights in India and has been jelous by FCA that claimed that Mahindra can only produce the Willys Jeeps in India but not in USA its a shame FCA is allowed in India to manufacture their modern Willys Jeeps apart from Mahindra Willys Jeeps if they feel they are both made the same products the FCA must not sell their products in India too why sell the Wranglers when there are Mahindra Thars already but everyone know they are not the same types of vehicles they are more different they claimed that Roxor copy the Jeep design but they denied that it's not a copy but a legal Rights for manufacturing Willys Jeep like the CJs and CJ 7 Licensed by the Willys but not the FCA.This FCA company is a two minded company that do everything to add only to its own interest better to fight in courage like GM win their Hummer against the FCA and just ignore the company who didn't Licensed them and respect the honour of the old Willys company to enable customers enjoy their many different modern Willys DNA vehicles from different company
@@biondisubbaiah Yeah we load as long as it can still pull the loads in India but sometimes less sometimes overloaded but still missed the ability of the Willys Jeeps that can climb the rocky hills roads and can walk on the muddy roads of the valleys now even old Thars also i can hardly see them that they used as pulling jeeps somewhere here and there they still operate them now in India Pickup trucks are popular like Boleros the Gio the Supros the Ace the Bajajs the Zenons
It's dodge who is stopping them they have took them to court I think this year will be #4 trying to keep them out of the USA because mahindra makes a better jeep than Chrysler dodge and they know it will kill their sales in USA. I'm buying another roxor and setting a 1966 ford bronco on the frame because ford modeled the first bronco after the willis jeep
@@donald5125 The Mahindra should fight for their freedom of their businesses across the world like the FCA has it but they should fight for their freedom of their Willys License too like the GM did to their Hummer design they are bunch of them made the Willys Jeeps through legal Licenses from the Willys since the 1940s of the WW2 till now so they should have courage to fight for their Rights and Freedom in businesses just to differentiate a bit of designs on their cars who has the DNA of the Willys not so much like the FCA forced Mahindra for the Roxors where Mahindra is enforced and Licensed by Willys Company to first assembled the shifted parts of the Willys Jeeps in India from USA and later manufactured them in India by Mahindra itself they had produced millions of Willys Jeeps in India and now they started to fade away due to change of technologies and designs the only left is the Thars vehicles versions which still have some Willys DNA in it like the grille and little bit in fender but engines has changed so far to diesel fuel and the petrol engine also is different enough with the Willys where they had developed MStallion Engine Petrol Varaint type but still sound like the more silenced Willys engine
Automakers say all kind of stuff to pass the legal requirements. A great example is the gentlemen’s agreement between the Japanese car manufacturers. The key is to underpromise and over deliver. Mahindra is a master at that. In India, vehicles are costly and most families can only afford one. Hence, the machine needs to be reliable, cheap to own and fix. Indian automobile industry is super competitive. Brands like Toyota have a hard time selling just because the indigenous manufacturers are that good.
@@Countrysideboy247 Toyota is allowed to pay the same taxes (in terms of percentages over the pre-tax selling price of their cars) as Mahindra for Toyota car models that are manufactured in India. Toyota has a sprawling factory named, "Toyota Kirloskar Motor" (89% owned by Toyota) spread over 850 acres in a place named "Bidadi" in the southern state of Karnataka in India since the year 1997 and that factory currently manufactures Toyota models like Innova, Fortuner, Glanza, Urban Cruiser, Hilux, Legender, Camry etc with current production capacity of 320,000 vehicles per annum and sales tax on these models sold in India is the same as Mahindra cars sold in India. So it would be downright ignorance to claim that Mahindra does not compete with the likes of Toyota on a level playing field of the same sales tax levied on their respective vehicles manufactured in India. It is the high end expensive models that Toyota (or some other non-Indian multinatuonal automobike comoany) may not find to be financially viable to manufacture in India (given their high prices causing less sales in the price sensitive market of mostly lower middle class buyers in Infia) and instead choose to impose that attract heavy import tax when shipping to India but anyway thise models are in a different price segment commanding a small niche market of their own their own among India's super rich and high net worth people (very small percentage of India's total population) and not really pose themselves as competitor to Mahindra (or Tata for that matter) that aim for the mass market of lower middle class clients. The models Toyota make in India are far less expensive than their imported high end CBU luxurious vehicles and also do not pack in high horsepower monstrous gas guzzling powerpacks, leather and wood finishes but do fairly pack in up to date safety features and sophisticated automation features as well as amenities features but both Indian companies, namely Mahindra and Tata compete with them on those fronts which is how they have survived this long. Check out this review of Mahindra XUV700 the base variant of which currently costs less than USD 16000 (as of December 2022) in India that includes the sales tax : ua-cam.com/video/4s-piKqiKGM/v-deo.html Tell me which Toyota SUV model with better or atleast similar features will be competitive with this Mahindra model at that pricepoint even if all the taxes to be levied on that Toyota model, including even the sales tax that is levied on the mahindra model in India, is revoked.
@@Countrysideboy247 The point being made is that Toyota models sold in India, if manufactured in India, do not attract high import tariff otherwise imposed on CBUs (import tariff on CBU is much higher than on CKDs or SKDs). Regardless of CKD or SKD for Fortuner, Bidadi factory has press shop, weld shop and paint shop- not just assembly shop. What do you think press shop is for? And you missed the point. Toyota Fortuner base variant with sales tax is worth USD ~40.000 in India while even if the US does not impose heavy import tariff on auto components or on CBUs, the base variant of Fortuner still costs USD ~50.000 in the US. How do you think Toyota vehicles of priceranges close to Fortuner will be competitive with something like Mahindra XUV700 that is offered in a different price segment altigether? It is not like even if India drops import tariff on CBUs (or even CKDs or SkDs) of Toyouta Fortuner, Toyota Fortuner will become as affordable as Mahindra XUV700. Forget India; let us consider three important developing economies from three continents- Toyota Fortuner base variant costs USD 32000 in Indonesia and Brazil and USD 36000 in South Africa. How is then Toyota Fortuner competitive with a car that comes in less than half its pricerange? And Mahindra does import some auto components (infotainment and control electronics and certain electromechanical parts) for which it has pay as much import tariff as any other automotive company importing automotive components. Do your arithmetic.
I am fairly certain ( 99.9%) the payload is unrated purposely to meet some government restrictions. Such as to keep it from being designated a “ truck” instead of a UTV. Taxes and tariffs and safety requirements would be drastically different. Just as light duty trucks go up in registration costs by their capacity, ie; 1/2 , 3/4, 1 ton etc. tags get more expensive as capacity goes up. Since this “ looks” like a jeep, keeping the capacity low would keep it as a UTV. Under rating is used all the time. Boat motors are under rated as to HP in the smaller motors as some lakes have HP limits. Some say under 10HP, so the makers dub them 9.9, although some are easily way more powerful. “It’s all in the telling” as they say. Some makers way OVER rate things too, for obvious reasons.
Irs dumb insanity to me because my county is one of the best so side by sides are legal for road use you just need blinkers horn a rear plate insurance the usual thats it. It sucks when it costsnas kuch a s a corolla it foesnt even have blinkers. Its a kia. Why dont we make em better here save our money
We grew up commuting on this Utility Vehicle in India during the Mid-90s. It was our family vehicle. It was called the 'Mahindra Jeep' during our younger days. It's a beast of a machine for off-road and carrying heavy loads. Our family survived an accident as well.
The WW2 Jeep it was modeled after was technically a quarter ton payload (500 lbs) but could hold much much more. That's the maximum weight that kept the off road performance specified. Hill climb etc.
It has a leaf suspension in the rear, so you can go a lot more than this and it will ride better when there is more load. Although you would risk suspension to wear out quickly, they cost almost nothing. If you feel you are not able to add more weight, just add more leaf to the suspension and it will take more load.
The reason they rate it for 349 lbs is because there is no cab protection from the payload in the bed. There is nothing separating the load from crashing into the passengers if you have a front collision or roll it over something like that.. So it really boils down to a safety issue. The rating gets through the red tape of govt safety regulations and manufacturers liability.
The payload is limited because It's a safety issue, since the bed doesn't have a bulkhead like a traditional truckbed. The bulkhead keeps occupants safe from sliding cargo in case of a collision. That my theory anyway.
The Thar equivalent (pre 2020) in India is normally used to carry 8 to 9 passengers (illegal taxi services) over common rural or village point to point routes, often having ridiculous gradients & sharp turns.
Find the rear axle weight ratting. That is probably the limiting factor. Plus you do not have a cargo wall as a safety barrier between the payload and the seats. You stomp on the brakes at any significant speed, those weights are going to slide forward and smash into the back of those seats and pin you against the dash board. That could be a factor.
I imagine they put the weight limit in place for payload in the event of the load shifting forward into the seat. The extra weight could sheer the bolts holding them in place.
In India it is supposed to be 5 people carrier (average weight min. 70 kgs (@160 pounds) So 800 pounds approx and here in India many times there are around 10 to 15 persons (dont ask me where and how?) are regularly transported from village to village where no one is there to stop them
I remember here in India in my childhood 15-16 yrs back we used to load our jeep(extended version called commander) literally full of metal plates and drive hundreds of kilometre to our factory as there was no proper transportation facility. But it just used to glide it never ever sweats and reliable and not even any breakdown even after running 1-1.5 lakh kms just regular oil change straightening suspension plates that's it
Hey in INDIA the companies mention the loading capacity way less than the actual capacity so that even if customers overload the vehicle they feel uncomfortable beyond a point. So if the customers overload the vehicle they might not reach the actual capacity of the vehicle and the vehicle will keep running which increases the trust of people in the brand.
The payload on these things varies from user to user. Anywhere between a ton to 2 tons. If you'd own a Commander, nothing less than 3 tons is acceptable.
I wonder if this is like my Unimog? It's ex military 7.5 ton truck fully loaded...yet the payload is only 2.5 tons off road and 3 tons on paved. Why for such a big truck? well it's the axles that are the problem, they are not rated for high (sitting on top loads - Mog will pull a 20 Ton 4 wheel trailer) but the axles are going to have a lot of stress if a high load is put on them (on top).
They have to have that limit so it fits the UTV category. If you got into an accident and it was discovered that you were going over the weight then you have a huge liability. RV's do the same. They have a spec and while you can put more in them you are limited by what is on the plate to meet regulations. Guess what? Your car probably makes more power than the company advertises.
Im pretty sure that it could be a legal issue from there being no solid divider from the bed to cab. It is capable of a lot more, but not legally in america.
The same platform is used as the “Mahindra pickup “ with a 1.7 ton ( almost 3500 pounds )payload capacity and regularly overloaded far beyond that. With heavy duty high payload truck tyres in the back and slightly higher drive ratios.
It's fine on level surfaces but off road climbing a hill that weight will make the front end too light to gain traction. Also it could flip over backwards on a steep climb if you had say 500lbs back there. I think it's low to keep Mahindras liability low. Cheers 🇨🇦
You are not understanding the logic this vehicle have same engine witch Mahindra used to run their pickup trucks but pickup trucks are treated as transport vehicles and company need to pay more tax to that catogary so Mahindra hiding vehicles real capacity to stay in low end catogary Mahindra pickup trucks witch uses same engine vehicles real toing capacity is 1.3Ton official but you know not only Mahindra other car manufacturers also never mention their real capacity companies always mention vehicles toing capacity 25% low for safety reasons. Mahindra just hiding their vehicles capacity to stay in low end catogary.
If you want increase toing capacity just replace suspention with bigger one engine is capable of 1.7t you don't need to warry but vehicle will be stiff without load.
This vehicle is more reliable than Toyota. But back in days no marketing platforms were available.... I see lots of Mahindra vehicles rolling millions of miles with more than 50+ years of ownership 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I miss my old "Daihatsu F50" This 4x4 is basically the same, it is a shame i can't buy one were i live or i would buy one in a heart beat. Great 4x4 plain and simple with no bells and whistles.
It's not the load on the suspension you need to worry about. The little tiny clutch probably isn't meant for that kind of load. Same goes for the braking system. The old 80's Ford Rangers are good example of this.
Bro in India, a modified thar model with same engine can load upto 10 adults with half their weight as luggage, although not safe for high-speeds, but the machine still doesn't sweat in hauling it. 🔥
The 349 payload limit is an number imposed by the EPA cause for the Roxor to be sold as a UTV in the class it is, I believe it can not exceed 3750 pounds total. With the Roxor being the weight it is, plus an operator, it doesn’t leave much left for payload to stay under the limit to be sold in the class it is as a SxS. That’s why the payload is so low. (I think I have that right)
IMHO, it has to do with the liabilities associated with front collisions. There’s nothing to keep that weight of a rear payload from impacting the seats and possible shearing the seat mounts or collapsing the seat frame and pinning someone against the steering wheel or the front panel.
Basically it rated for 2 grown men and hit horable trails if you where to drive smoth grass field you be OK. Wouldn't want to go down straight away with alot of woops all loaded
I'm thinking if the rated load capacity is listed over 350 lbs, it will lose its qualification as an ATV....either that, or it's a typo that carried over from when it first came to America and the 349 lbs, was ttransposed from 349 kg, which is just shy of 800 lbs.
These Jeeps can hold a lot of weight I had a CJ5 delivery truck postal Jeep and I would load the whole thing up to the ceiling with firewood drive it to my camp from the woods two-wheel drive no problem at all
I haul my backhoe behind my TJ all the time can run 70-80 mph on interstate with the air on, can’t imagine paying so much for a toy not even street legal
Mahindra has to keep the payload that low on paper to stay under the required weight limit (i think it is 3750 pounds GVWR max, not sure) to be classified and sold as a SxS/UTV. It's a gov't thing, not Mahindra.
The low pay load is because there is no barrier between the back and the seats so they limit it so if you break fast it doesnt crush the driver. But it can handle more. IMHO
The problem isn't in the suspension, but the seats. There's no barrier between the seats and the load in the bed, so if you have to hard brake and that load slides forward, it will snap the seats and throw you through the windshield. That's why the weight rating is so low.
Hell I've had and hauled well over 700 lbs in my landlords John deere gators bed ! Yeah I could definitely tell I was pushing it front wheels occasionally coming off the ground 🤣 but it got the job done
Hitting bump stops is not an indication of payload capacity. Original tire load capacity, braking ability, power, and cooling capacity are just some factors.
His concern over its load handling isn't interesting to me. There are a couple of things I see that I don't like about the vehicle. One I don't like the swing open tailgate. I want one that lays down extending the bed length and second I don't like the metal bar protruding from the roll bar that I suppose is supposed to keep you from falling out. I also don't like the width of the tires. Where I live the wide tires on a light vehicle will get you stuck every time you take it in deep snow. Otherwise I suppose it's a great little 4x4.
I had the wrong approach to my brand new CJ7, same mistakes and issues of “exceeding design limitations”. OEM means something now I’ve had to fix what testosterone does to equipment.
30-35mpg. It's so much better than those plasticky SxS that only do 8-10mpg. The only 2 downsides to the Roxor are: (1) It's heavy, and (2) turning radius is bad. Otherwise, it'll last forever, smooth, quiet, built like a tank, and unbelievable mpg.
I am at a loss why you did not bring the bucket up to and in line with the bed and just slide them over? I believe in working smarter not harder but maybe I am missing something. What am I missing here?
Rotor is rated to get past import rules set for off road in order to sell it here, because jeep filed a lawsuit against them for being a direct competitor with an almost identical machine, Mahindra originally built military jeeps under license after ww2.
Mahindra builds cars that are meant to survive harsh Indian conditions where there are no roads, the weather can be extremely hot like a desert, extremely cold in the mountains of the Himalayan states or very humid like the rainforests in the East. So, coming from places like that, Mahindra has worked tirelessly on off road vehicles. Their products are frugal but will last you for over a million miles.
Also the engine has been severely limited by ecu software. 62 horsepower from a 2.5l turbo diesel? Come on lmao. Any decent tuner could easily double that with just software.
Is it possible this weight limit was established for legal purposes? If someone rolled the vehicle and took the company to court the lawyers would ask what you had in it. If the payload surpassed the weight limit the case would be thrown out. IDK ?
In India Rajasthan area Mahindra bolero 7seater carrying 20 plus people daily in taxi run continuously till evening... So don't doubt in Mahindra carrying capacity...👍
I am from India and people overload 10 times and these monsters just keep going. This is a remake of Jeep in India. We jam in 10 people on these things. It can easily take 1000 pounds.
People it's not a government thing it's a corporate thing they under a licensing agreement with Jeep can not sell it as a road legal vehicle in the US market.
These things went up in price by $5k and are not as good looking. Guess inflation and Chrysler law suits will do that. I would like to own one someday though
Sitting in your pasture...no it isn't breaking a sweat!!! Take it on a hi way, then surface road, then an actual " off road challenge" n then see!!?? Do it empty, do it with weights, n compare the 2!!????? What do you get?? Engine temps,oil pressures , Etc...( full of weight, n empty)??? What are your results???
That's for ALL operating conditions..............that includes going up a steep slope, an at an angle. This is an off road vehicle, same as a Quad or ATV. Cargo capacity is listed based on what conditions they list as acceptable for hills & stuff. My Quad can haul 900lbs on the hitch, on a level surface but easily spins out trying to go up a hill. God help me if I try to brake going down. Payload however is barely 100lbs. Those springs on that Roxor are going to get damaged if you go down a rough hill with weight on them.........but will handle probably 4x the rated load if you crawl around on a paved road nice n slow.
Mahindra has to keep the payload that low on paper to stay under the required weight limit (i think it is 3750 pounds GVWR max, not sure) to be classified and sold as a SxS/UTV. It's a gov't thing, not Mahindra. I carry a1000 pounds in mine all the time.
Your correct about the 3750lb GVWR. Thought I think it’s dealers who call it a SXS or UTV and Mahindra calls it farm equipment. Mandates also require it to be 1000cc or less to be a SXS/UTV.
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@@duke9173 the RZR pro R is a 2.0 inline four.
@@ripnandtearing the emissions regulations on 1000cc or less is minimal compared to larger engine sizes. Manufacturers didn’t want to spend the R&D money to get larger sizes when technology could get more power from turbos and superchargers. Polaris realized they had done most of the work already in the slingshots engine. It’ll be interesting to see what other manufacturers do now that Polaris has crossed the line. Though almost $40k for an off-road toy will limit the market.
@@duke9173 I forgot they used that engine before.
Rotor can carry a much higher load than advertised. It can easily be converted to be made road legal but they only sell non-road legal Roxors. It can easily be tuned to develop a lot more power and road speed, but it is sold detuned? Why? To meet the requirements for low tax import. Mahendra imports a detuned and de-specced vehicle, and allows American mechanics and suppliers to tune and re-spec it to the American customer's requirements. Roxor supports a whole infrastructure of small American businesses around it.
Tractor manufacturers need to start doing this for "25" hp tractors, thus circumventing the emissions crap
These vehicles are made to last in india , Indian s always put more load then its capacity
In india we load it until its full 🤣🤣🤣 Mahindra engine is ❤
well this roxor is known as thar in india and we have seen a lot of time that thar is towing ford Everest when it reach to its off-road limit and even a fully loaded truck
True
I had owned an MM540 in India .. virtually the same vehicle for 10 years plus... regularly carried 500 kg ( 1100 pounds). In fact it is super smooth when heavily loaded!!
Suspension gets even softer and rides pretty well in loaded conditions
In India the Thar can officially tow 1.5 tons, I've managed 3 tons but not regularly.
One durka ata time
Dude, save your back. You have a front end loader. Bring the loader to your Roxor waist high
Thought the same thing myself.
When ya get older ya get smarter lol
Put a couple of 20 ton axle stands (large slices of tree trunk) under the bucket if you leave it elevated.
If the hydraulics fail...it could injure you as your feet would likely be under the
front edge of the bucket when you move the weights...
SAME!
Work smarter not harder.
These vehicles are heavily overloaded in the high range areas of India, sometimes carrying up to 21 people. Just calculating at 70Kgs. per head, that nearly 1500 Kgs. And mind you, this vehicle pulls such loads in off road terrain and quite steep conditions.
True, but most Indians are thin so make it 1300kg lol. Its ok I am Indian
@@michaelruatfelaralte84 bro people in north india are on an average weight of 80kg
But still it's not rated around 1500kilos. In most 3rd world countries drivers often exceed the max GVM limits. The Mahindra MM550, (which is literally the same Roxor sold to the Indian public decades ago) had a GVM of only 1950 kilos. 500kilos might be the safest assumption.
@@michaelruatfelaralte84 me a Punjabi India 97 kg 6.1
Aaaah North Indian people with the ego and race superiority complex again. Indian men's average height is 5'6 (no claimed 5'8) and weight 65kg..I SAID MOST not North Indian men.. Even N indian men average height is 5'7-5'8..you guys have so little self esteem and a brittle ego
even 50+ year old mahindra vehicles (100s of them) are still used even at tropical hilly areas of south India... since other load bearing vehicles can't run in that offroad conditions and elevations, most of the people uses mahindra vehicles to carry even timber to sawmills...
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In India they can pull more than 2 tons load capacity in a trailer and in a cabin this is what the Willys Jeep the Mahindra MM40 and the old Mahindra Thar did that has the same engine as the Roxor.Sadly the Mahindra cannot enjoy their freedom of Willys Licence in the USA as they have Rights in India and has been jelous by FCA that claimed that Mahindra can only produce the Willys Jeeps in India but not in USA its a shame FCA is allowed in India to manufacture their modern Willys Jeeps apart from Mahindra Willys Jeeps if they feel they are both made the same products the FCA must not sell their products in India too why sell the Wranglers when there are Mahindra Thars already but everyone know they are not the same types of vehicles they are more different they claimed that Roxor copy the Jeep design but they denied that it's not a copy but a legal Rights for manufacturing Willys Jeep like the CJs and CJ 7 Licensed by the Willys but not the FCA.This FCA company is a two minded company that do everything to add only to its own interest better to fight in courage like GM win their Hummer against the FCA and just ignore the company who didn't Licensed them and respect the honour of the old Willys company to enable customers enjoy their many different modern Willys DNA vehicles from different company
I think it's officially 1.5 tons limit but I've managed 3 tons, not that i do this regularly...i drive a thar M2DICR.
@@biondisubbaiah Yeah we load as long as it can still pull the loads in India but sometimes less sometimes overloaded but still missed the ability of the Willys Jeeps that can climb the rocky hills roads and can walk on the muddy roads of the valleys now even old Thars also i can hardly see them that they used as pulling jeeps somewhere here and there they still operate them now in India Pickup trucks are popular like Boleros the Gio the Supros the Ace the Bajajs the Zenons
It's dodge who is stopping them they have took them to court I think this year will be #4 trying to keep them out of the USA because mahindra makes a better jeep than Chrysler dodge and they know it will kill their sales in USA. I'm buying another roxor and setting a 1966 ford bronco on the frame because ford modeled the first bronco after the willis jeep
@@donald5125 The Mahindra should fight for their freedom of their businesses across the world like the FCA has it but they should fight for their freedom of their Willys License too like the GM did to their Hummer design they are bunch of them made the Willys Jeeps through legal Licenses from the Willys since the 1940s of the WW2 till now so they should have courage to fight for their Rights and Freedom in businesses just to differentiate a bit of designs on their cars who has the DNA of the Willys not so much like the FCA forced Mahindra for the Roxors where Mahindra is enforced and Licensed by Willys Company to first assembled the shifted parts of the Willys Jeeps in India from USA and later manufactured them in India by Mahindra itself they had produced millions of Willys Jeeps in India and now they started to fade away due to change of technologies and designs the only left is the Thars vehicles versions which still have some Willys DNA in it like the grille and little bit in fender but engines has changed so far to diesel fuel and the petrol engine also is different enough with the Willys where they had developed MStallion Engine Petrol Varaint type but still sound like the more silenced Willys engine
@@donald5125 Wow, a "Bronxor" would be cool as hell!!!
Automakers say all kind of stuff to pass the legal requirements. A great example is the gentlemen’s agreement between the Japanese car manufacturers. The key is to underpromise and over deliver. Mahindra is a master at that. In India, vehicles are costly and most families can only afford one. Hence, the machine needs to be reliable, cheap to own and fix. Indian automobile industry is super competitive. Brands like Toyota have a hard time selling just because the indigenous manufacturers are that good.
Shut up. Do you see any Japanese, German, Korean, US or even Chinese barking over their country’s autos? Just stick to your Indian cow dung stuff
And taxes are higher on Toyota than native companies.
@@shakebraza196 yes but that only because they choose to not build 100% in the native country.
@@Countrysideboy247 Toyota is allowed to pay the same taxes (in terms of percentages over the pre-tax selling price of their cars) as Mahindra for Toyota car models that are manufactured in India. Toyota has a sprawling factory named, "Toyota Kirloskar Motor" (89% owned by Toyota) spread over 850 acres in a place named "Bidadi" in the southern state of Karnataka in India since the year 1997 and that factory currently manufactures Toyota models like Innova, Fortuner, Glanza, Urban Cruiser, Hilux, Legender, Camry etc with current production capacity of 320,000 vehicles per annum and sales tax on these models sold in India is the same as Mahindra cars sold in India. So it would be downright ignorance to claim that Mahindra does not compete with the likes of Toyota on a level playing field of the same sales tax levied on their respective vehicles manufactured in India. It is the high end expensive models that Toyota (or some other non-Indian multinatuonal automobike comoany) may not find to be financially viable to manufacture in India (given their high prices causing less sales in the price sensitive market of mostly lower middle class buyers in Infia) and instead choose to impose that attract heavy import tax when shipping to India but anyway thise models are in a different price segment commanding a small niche market of their own their own among India's super rich and high net worth people (very small percentage of India's total population) and not really pose themselves as competitor to Mahindra (or Tata for that matter) that aim for the mass market of lower middle class clients. The models Toyota make in India are far less expensive than their imported high end CBU luxurious vehicles and also do not pack in high horsepower monstrous gas guzzling powerpacks, leather and wood finishes but do fairly pack in up to date safety features and sophisticated automation features as well as amenities features but both Indian companies, namely Mahindra and Tata compete with them on those fronts which is how they have survived this long.
Check out this review of Mahindra XUV700 the base variant of which currently costs less than USD 16000 (as of December 2022) in India that includes the sales tax :
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Tell me which Toyota SUV model with better or atleast similar features will be competitive with this Mahindra model at that pricepoint even if all the taxes to be levied on that Toyota model, including even the sales tax that is levied on the mahindra model in India, is revoked.
@@Countrysideboy247 The point being made is that Toyota models sold in India, if manufactured in India, do not attract high import tariff otherwise imposed on CBUs (import tariff on CBU is much higher than on CKDs or SKDs). Regardless of CKD or SKD for Fortuner, Bidadi factory has press shop, weld shop and paint shop- not just assembly shop. What do you think press shop is for? And you missed the point. Toyota Fortuner base variant with sales tax is worth USD ~40.000 in India while even if the US does not impose heavy import tariff on auto components or on CBUs, the base variant of Fortuner still costs USD ~50.000 in the US. How do you think Toyota vehicles of priceranges close to Fortuner will be competitive with something like Mahindra XUV700 that is offered in a different price segment altigether? It is not like even if India drops import tariff on CBUs (or even CKDs or SkDs) of Toyouta Fortuner, Toyota Fortuner will become as affordable as Mahindra XUV700. Forget India; let us consider three important developing economies from three continents- Toyota Fortuner base variant costs USD 32000 in Indonesia and Brazil and USD 36000 in South Africa. How is then Toyota Fortuner competitive with a car that comes in less than half its pricerange? And Mahindra does import some auto components (infotainment and control electronics and certain electromechanical parts) for which it has pay as much import tariff as any other automotive company importing automotive components. Do your arithmetic.
I am fairly certain ( 99.9%) the payload is unrated purposely to meet some government restrictions. Such as to keep it from being designated a “ truck” instead of a UTV. Taxes and tariffs and safety requirements would be drastically different.
Just as light duty trucks go up in registration costs by their capacity, ie; 1/2 , 3/4, 1 ton etc. tags get more expensive as capacity goes up. Since this “ looks” like a jeep, keeping the capacity low would keep it as a UTV.
Under rating is used all the time. Boat motors are under rated as to HP in the smaller motors as some lakes have HP limits.
Some say under 10HP, so the makers dub them 9.9, although some are easily way more powerful.
“It’s all in the telling” as they say. Some makers way OVER rate things too, for obvious reasons.
Irs dumb insanity to me because my county is one of the best so side by sides are legal for road use you just need blinkers horn a rear plate insurance the usual thats it. It sucks when it costsnas kuch a s a corolla it foesnt even have blinkers. Its a kia. Why dont we make em better here save our money
I've put 1000 lbs of feed in mine several times and it even rides better.
We grew up commuting on this Utility Vehicle in India during the Mid-90s. It was our family vehicle. It was called the 'Mahindra Jeep' during our younger days. It's a beast of a machine for off-road and carrying heavy loads. Our family survived an accident as well.
The WW2 Jeep it was modeled after was technically a quarter ton payload (500 lbs) but could hold much much more. That's the maximum weight that kept the off road performance specified. Hill climb etc.
Was just going to say something like this before finding this post!
That diesel engine sounds good! And Mahindra is helping to keep the manuals alive!
Mahindra makes some great vehicles, reliable and cost effective.
It has a leaf suspension in the rear, so you can go a lot more than this and it will ride better when there is more load. Although you would risk suspension to wear out quickly, they cost almost nothing. If you feel you are not able to add more weight, just add more leaf to the suspension and it will take more load.
The reason they rate it for 349 lbs is because there is no cab protection from the payload in the bed. There is nothing separating the load from crashing into the passengers if you have a front collision or roll it over something like that.. So it really boils down to a safety issue. The rating gets through the red tape of govt safety regulations and manufacturers liability.
The payload is limited because It's a safety issue, since the bed doesn't have a bulkhead like a traditional truckbed. The bulkhead keeps occupants safe from sliding cargo in case of a collision. That my theory anyway.
The Thar equivalent (pre 2020) in India is normally used to carry 8 to 9 passengers (illegal taxi services) over common rural or village point to point routes, often having ridiculous gradients & sharp turns.
Find the rear axle weight ratting. That is probably the limiting factor. Plus you do not have a cargo wall as a safety barrier between the payload and the seats. You stomp on the brakes at any significant speed, those weights are going to slide forward and smash into the back of those seats and pin you against the dash board. That could be a factor.
nope. EPA limits sxs at max 3750 gvrw that is why. Roxor will carry well over 1000 pounds. It's a gov't thing, to manufacturer.
@@TlcBister ok, got it. Regulatory limit.
I imagine they put the weight limit in place for payload in the event of the load shifting forward into the seat. The extra weight could sheer the bolts holding them in place.
In India it is supposed to be 5 people carrier (average weight min. 70 kgs (@160 pounds) So 800 pounds approx and here in India many times there are around 10 to 15 persons (dont ask me where and how?) are regularly transported from village to village where no one is there to stop them
Weight capacity might not just apply to the suspension and spring clearnces. It could be what the transmission can stand.
I remember here in India in my childhood 15-16 yrs back we used to load our jeep(extended version called commander) literally full of metal plates and drive hundreds of kilometre to our factory as there was no proper transportation facility. But it just used to glide it never ever sweats and reliable and not even any breakdown even after running 1-1.5 lakh kms just regular oil change straightening suspension plates that's it
Hey in INDIA the companies mention the loading capacity way less than the actual capacity so that even if customers overload the vehicle they feel uncomfortable beyond a point.
So if the customers overload the vehicle they might not reach the actual capacity of the vehicle and the vehicle will keep running which increases the trust of people in the brand.
The payload on these things varies from user to user. Anywhere between a ton to 2 tons. If you'd own a Commander, nothing less than 3 tons is acceptable.
I wonder if this is like my Unimog? It's ex military 7.5 ton truck fully loaded...yet the payload is only 2.5 tons off road and 3 tons on paved. Why for such a big truck? well it's the axles that are the problem, they are not rated for high (sitting on top loads - Mog will pull a 20 Ton 4 wheel trailer) but the axles are going to have a lot of stress if a high load is put on them (on top).
They have to have that limit so it fits the UTV category. If you got into an accident and it was discovered that you were going over the weight then you have a huge liability. RV's do the same. They have a spec and while you can put more in them you are limited by what is on the plate to meet regulations.
Guess what? Your car probably makes more power than the company advertises.
Im pretty sure that it could be a legal issue from there being no solid divider from the bed to cab. It is capable of a lot more, but not legally in america.
The same platform is used as the “Mahindra pickup “ with a 1.7 ton ( almost 3500 pounds )payload capacity and regularly overloaded far beyond that. With heavy duty high payload truck tyres in the back and slightly higher drive ratios.
Mahindra Pik up are beast
my Suzuki samurai sj410 loves it some tonnage in the rear... those Mahindras sure are cool!
It's fine on level surfaces but off road climbing a hill that weight will make the front end too light to gain traction.
Also it could flip over backwards on a steep climb if you had say 500lbs back there.
I think it's low to keep Mahindras liability low. Cheers 🇨🇦
You are not understanding the logic this vehicle have same engine witch Mahindra used to run their pickup trucks but pickup trucks are treated as transport vehicles and company need to pay more tax to that catogary so Mahindra hiding vehicles real capacity to stay in low end catogary Mahindra pickup trucks witch uses same engine vehicles real toing capacity is 1.3Ton official but you know not only Mahindra other car manufacturers also never mention their real capacity companies always mention vehicles toing capacity 25% low for safety reasons. Mahindra just hiding their vehicles capacity to stay in low end catogary.
If you want increase toing capacity just replace suspention with bigger one engine is capable of 1.7t you don't need to warry but vehicle will be stiff without load.
EPA in the US limits sxs at max 3750 gvrw that is why.
This vehicle is more reliable than Toyota. But back in days no marketing platforms were available.... I see lots of Mahindra vehicles rolling millions of miles with more than 50+ years of ownership 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I heard it was because there's no division between operator cab and the bed so if you hit the brakes hard your payload can come into the cab
You could put the tractor bucket on it then unattached it to see if it can handle that extra metal
I miss my old "Daihatsu F50" This 4x4 is basically the same, it is a shame i can't buy one were i live or i would buy one in a heart beat. Great 4x4 plain and simple with no bells and whistles.
It's probably limited because there's nothing behind the seats to keep the weight from flying forward and injuring passengers.
most companies are modest on the weight ratings i think its for cya type things, i bet it towes alot more than its rated for aswell
Man I wish I would have bought this machine back in 2020 but I’m the cuter it will be my next purchase as a everyday rider lol
Same. I'm buying one as my next daily driver.
I would really like to have one of those little things, super cool.
Yeah man if I had some land to work and $28k to spend I'd love on too. It's basically a little jeep CJ with a modern TDI engine.
Bro u are funny 😂 we own 13 units of Mahindra Bolero pickups we load 2.5 tons of goods on our vehicles
It's not the load on the suspension you need to worry about. The little tiny clutch probably isn't meant for that kind of load. Same goes for the braking system. The old 80's Ford Rangers are good example of this.
Bro in India, a modified thar model with same engine can load upto 10 adults with half their weight as luggage, although not safe for high-speeds, but the machine still doesn't sweat in hauling it. 🔥
If no one else has said it. My gusss is that’s a manufactured pounding based on the fact they DO NOT want passengers in the back
Add more leaf springs, toll heavy, something every breaks just weld🤷🏻
The 349 payload limit is an number imposed by the EPA cause for the Roxor to be sold as a UTV in the class it is, I believe it can not exceed 3750 pounds total. With the Roxor being the weight it is, plus an operator, it doesn’t leave much left for payload to stay under the limit to be sold in the class it is as a SxS. That’s why the payload is so low. (I think I have that right)
IMHO, it has to do with the liabilities associated with front collisions. There’s nothing to keep that weight of a rear payload from impacting the seats and possible shearing the seat mounts or collapsing the seat frame and pinning someone against the steering wheel or the front panel.
These are based on a Jeep that is rated for 1/4 ton cross country that make it a 1/2 ton for on road use.
Basically it rated for 2 grown men and hit horable trails if you where to drive smoth grass field you be OK. Wouldn't want to go down straight away with alot of woops all loaded
I'm thinking if the rated load capacity is listed over 350 lbs, it will lose its qualification as an ATV....either that, or it's a typo that carried over from when it first came to America and the 349 lbs, was ttransposed from 349 kg, which is just shy of 800 lbs.
These Jeeps can hold a lot of weight I had a CJ5 delivery truck postal Jeep and I would load the whole thing up to the ceiling with firewood drive it to my camp from the woods two-wheel drive no problem at all
I haul my backhoe behind my TJ all the time can run 70-80 mph on interstate with the air on, can’t imagine paying so much for a toy not even street legal
@@lawnmowerman4040
Different use parameters.....
you are nothing re towing compared to a Mack semi....
which is just as relevant an argument??
I really like these but it would be good for trails and such but not much for towing or payload I'm sure
What if the 349 lb load capacity was a typo and they meant to say 3,490 lb
Mahindra has to keep the payload that low on paper to stay under the required weight limit (i think it is 3750 pounds GVWR max, not sure) to be classified and sold as a SxS/UTV. It's a gov't thing, not Mahindra.
The low pay load is because there is no barrier between the back and the seats so they limit it so if you break fast it doesnt crush the driver. But it can handle more. IMHO
The problem isn't in the suspension, but the seats. There's no barrier between the seats and the load in the bed, so if you have to hard brake and that load slides forward, it will snap the seats and throw you through the windshield. That's why the weight rating is so low.
Hell I've had and hauled well over 700 lbs in my landlords John deere gators bed ! Yeah I could definitely tell I was pushing it front wheels occasionally coming off the ground 🤣 but it got the job done
Amazing video!!; You've got a new subber!!.. 🇺🇸💪🏆
Come to India and you will see some 40 pax of nearly 120 pounds each hanging around mahindras with some extra leafsprings and merrily commuting!
I too was stunned and in disbelief when I heard about capacity
You should check on a gradient not a plain terrain .
Hitting bump stops is not an indication of payload capacity. Original tire load capacity, braking ability, power, and cooling capacity are just some factors.
Love those Typhoons, really sad I traded mine in HS
obviously to keep within the strict us utv regulations
What is this again???? And where do you go to check One out????
His concern over its load handling isn't interesting to me. There are a couple of things I see that I don't like about the vehicle. One I don't like the swing open tailgate. I want one that lays down extending the bed length and second I don't like the metal bar protruding from the roll bar that I suppose is supposed to keep you from falling out. I also don't like the width of the tires. Where I live the wide tires on a light vehicle will get you stuck every time you take it in deep snow. Otherwise I suppose it's a great little 4x4.
u can tune that engine to produce 200HP.
Must say the bed skin is rather thin. Rubberized mine + a rubber mat. 2010 Thar greetings (SA)
Makes me wish there was a truck version
I had the wrong approach to my brand new CJ7, same mistakes and issues of “exceeding design limitations”. OEM means something now I’ve had to fix what testosterone does to equipment.
My 2002 Kawasaki Mule is rated to
Carry 800 lbs in the bed and tow
1200 lbs for a total of 2000 lbs.
What's the fuel economy like on these?
30-35mpg. It's so much better than those plasticky SxS that only do 8-10mpg. The only 2 downsides to the Roxor are: (1) It's heavy, and (2) turning radius is bad. Otherwise, it'll last forever, smooth, quiet, built like a tank, and unbelievable mpg.
I am at a loss why you did not bring the bucket up to and in line with the bed and just slide them over? I believe in working smarter not harder but maybe I am missing something. What am I missing here?
When he pulled up with the dozer I knew he wasn't playin :)
What Dozer?
Simple, side x side guidelines when purchased
Why in the world didn’t he leave the tractor bucket raised while moving the weights? It would be a whole lot less work.
Rotor is rated to get past import rules set for off road in order to sell it here, because jeep filed a lawsuit against them for being a direct competitor with an almost identical machine, Mahindra originally built military jeeps under license after ww2.
Mahindra builds cars that are meant to survive harsh Indian conditions where there are no roads, the weather can be extremely hot like a desert, extremely cold in the mountains of the Himalayan states or very humid like the rainforests in the East. So, coming from places like that, Mahindra has worked tirelessly on off road vehicles. Their products are frugal but will last you for over a million miles.
Also the engine has been severely limited by ecu software. 62 horsepower from a 2.5l turbo diesel? Come on lmao. Any decent tuner could easily double that with just software.
no one keeps the stock tune on these. They are severely detuned for the same reason the payload rating is so low. Legality and liability.
I'd have left the tractor bucket 4' up and not had to pick all that weight off the ground! Lol. I miss my young back.
The Mahindra web site shows the payload capacity as ~1,200-1,500 pounds depending on model, so I don't know where this guy got his information from.
It reminds me of the old Willy's Jeep. I'd like one just to tool around in the sand
Is it possible this weight limit was established for legal purposes? If someone rolled the vehicle and took the company to court the lawyers would ask what you had in it. If the payload surpassed the weight limit the case would be thrown out. IDK ?
It's based on a CJ-5 tub FFS. How much payload capacity were you actually expecting?
I want one but here they dont sell them and I need it to be road legal
Good video. Thanks.
Why didn't you lift the bucket so you didn't need to bend down for each weight?
Because government restrictions.
It’s all due to legal reasons. They’re lucky to still even be sold in the US after the Fiat lawsuit.
In India Rajasthan area Mahindra bolero 7seater carrying 20 plus people daily in taxi run continuously till evening... So don't doubt in Mahindra carrying capacity...👍
I am from India and people overload 10 times and these monsters just keep going. This is a remake of Jeep in India. We jam in 10 people on these things. It can easily take 1000 pounds.
Maybe it's a misprint. Perhaps 1349lb payload...?? That would make more sense.
Its just a modern version of a 1950's willys jeep
People it's not a government thing it's a corporate thing they under a licensing agreement with Jeep can not sell it as a road legal vehicle in the US market.
modded it can be road ready/legal
@@tjellis1479 again this can't be sold by the manufacturer as road legal.
It can be whatevered by whomever as long as the manufacturer doesn't do it.
Congratulations you answer the questions no one asks...or cares about
These things went up in price by $5k and are not as good looking. Guess inflation and Chrysler law suits will do that. I would like to own one someday though
Why wouldn’t you keep the bucket of the tractor at waist height so you don’t need to bend over to move the weights?
Sitting in your pasture...no it isn't breaking a sweat!!! Take it on a hi way, then surface road, then an actual " off road challenge" n then see!!?? Do it empty, do it with weights, n compare the 2!!????? What do you get?? Engine temps,oil pressures ,
Etc...( full of weight, n empty)??? What are your results???
That's for ALL operating conditions..............that includes going up a steep slope, an at an angle. This is an off road vehicle, same as a Quad or ATV. Cargo capacity is listed based on what conditions they list as acceptable for hills & stuff. My Quad can haul 900lbs on the hitch, on a level surface but easily spins out trying to go up a hill. God help me if I try to brake going down. Payload however is barely 100lbs. Those springs on that Roxor are going to get damaged if you go down a rough hill with weight on them.........but will handle probably 4x the rated load if you crawl around on a paved road nice n slow.
No, this is a 4x4 truck. NOT an ATV. Comparing this to an atv is like comparing apples to balloon animals.
I love when people who don’t know what they hell they talking about try to explain things.