All this twisting and turning to try and make what is unacceptable to the Lord acceptable in the churches. 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 comes to mind: “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”
Bridge building I'm so sick of all this waffle. I'm glad I have left. However how will this effect children's education in CofE schools. Living in love and faith. More like Living in Sodom and Gomorrah ... salt anyone. 😢
You faithful need to network and create your own “working province” regardless of what synod/bishops/archbishops say. Then use whatever leverage you have to pressure the official leadership to accept this new reality on the ground. The global majority is ready and willing to be in fellowship with a faithful English province.
To talk of reconciliation implies that the main problem is a falling out between conservatives and liberals and once they understand each other and forgive each other all will be well. In other words it is personal and not theological.
Hasn't the time come to recognise that the sheep and the goats are going to be separated, it is not possible to reconcile them, nor would it be righteous to attempt this.
The goat-run Apostate Church, run by the Whore of Babylon, drunk on the blood of the Tribulations Saints, Jezebel, is coming. Those who voted FOR the LLF today will be guilty of trying to drag those in their parish churches into the Abyss with them, no matter what smooth words they attempt. Telling G-d the Father that His Word, personified by Jesus, is wrong is a dangerous game to play, it is not holy but *strange* fire, and if Bible-believing orthodox Christians leave their churches over this, it will let them become like the US churches who have let their reprobate minds run riot, with LGBTQIPeBe+ drag-queen services and liturgies, and invoking G-d the Father to bless what He clearly describes as 'abominations' in His eyes and Word. They need to pray and fight while they can - oust bishops and archdeacons, or any clergy who pushes the above agenda and tries to justify it with Scripture. Scripture says that the Apostate Church will come, maybe sooner that we want, and the last three decades have been the time it has laid the first bricks - the Church Politic has had a seamy underbelly for centuries, but it's public face has been pious, at least. Not any more! The HoB and the AoC need reforming, and the General Synod need to keep voting the LLF down for as long as they can! But they had better heed why GAFCON came about and realign themselves in public repentence, as per 2 Chronicles 7:14 - "If My people...". Otherwise they will face a truly angry G-d, and lose their Lampstands (Rev 2-3), the Holy Spirit, and become abodes of demons. Not my rhetoric, but basic Scripture!
@@FiveLoavesTwoFish1My reply seems to have disappeared. Maybe Rev Dan deleted it, maybe the Mod, or the YT algorithm, or someone reported it. But thanks, anyway.👍😉
Of course biblical Christians - as opposed to those who think they somehow know better - will reject same-sex sex and marriage. But the problem is that from foundation the CofE has been essentially unbiblical precisely by being an established church, and indeed that has contributed considerably to the current crisis as well....
It's the same old problem, the Church of England is irreparably broken. It's been that way since 1992 when I left, and it was probably already broken before that. There is no common ground left to stand on. I suspect the conservatives and traditionalists will "triumph" in the end as the liberal church is visibly ageing and dying, but what will be left will not be the Church of England we have known.
Puzzled about why you left when the liberal, revisionist hierarchy supports same-sex marriage to the point that some bishops are openly living with their same-sex partners outside of marriage.
The real question is should we even discuss reconciliation with a group who wants to rid the Holy Bible from the CofE for that is the underlying aim of LLF. Too much time is being wasted on this fighting amongst ourselves while we have Islam gaining ever more influence & control over our😅 democracy that needs to be urgently dealt with. If not we will soon be yet another islamic state where Christianity is persecuted, Pakistan being the role model. What say you Asia Bibi?
Disagree, the gap is great but the church can change things around, any church can. They’re representative of the house of God. The question is are they representing the ways of God or is it purely a business? Will they continue to undermine other faiths or work together to help the people they serve? The conversation needs to change, and like you said in another video/short, What is God Doing, is a question those involved in the discussions need to ask of themselves. It’s so simple and ‘corny’; love each other, love every living thing and be thankful for your life, made possible through God’s love.
@@davepugh2519 no. Christ founded his beloved ppl. Just follow christ and live the gospel, and may the Rev. pastor his little flock the best he is able. Non-denominational
Can they square a circle? Why bother? Why not just be Christian enough to work together in spite of different views. The Church of England has coped with different views for centuries. I am sure the Church of England can cope now.
Yes. They have reinterpreted the Bible regarding same sex relationships and marriage and want force their 'beliefs' upon the majority (it would seem) of Anglicans. Either accept or suffer LGBQT philosophy and sexuality, re-interpret scripture to permit it in church, or leave the Faith because you would not be considered as "DEI" - Diversity, Equity, Inclusivity sympathetic, thus hateful. (Curious that this acronym for the new ideological God is the genitive singular of Deus - God). It would, perhaps, be more appropriate if they themselves left the Anglican Church and formed their own denomination but (of course) they won't do that. They have a problem and are attempting to forcing others to comply with their desired solution and ideology. Doesn't seem overly Christian to me, but that doesn't seem to bother some bishops. Proverbs 3:5-6.
@@johnbruce2868 One can' 'leave the Faith' because it is not the Church Politic, any more than it is a football team. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of G-d. It is also a spiritual gift, and an act. I have no faith, as such, in my denomination as far as my salvation is concerned, but in the One who has the power to save me. In this context, denominalationism *is not important!* Witness: when a 'certain person' keeps coming to these sites to mock and scoff what he doesn't realise is that the Holy Spirit is convicting him of his need for Jesus to redeem and save him, but he's resisting and ramping up his sarcasm and incredulity at the fact that (1) he seeks out these sites and (2) actually listens to the presenters and reads the comments. The more he is witnessed to, the more he can't help being drawn, just like Herod the Great and John the Baptist! Sooner or later, something will challenge him to make a choice. He can choose Christ and real life,,or walk away from Him and denounce us. But if the first, then he can choose to join whatever denomination he feels led to, often a longish process of visiting them and seeing where he might fit in. Could be Catholic or any one of the number of protestant and house churches, not least the C of E! His faith grows and he is led into action, through discipleship and, bingo. His salvation is already assured, and he's showing the skepical world the power of his faith by the deeds he's prompted by agape (sacrificial) love to do, even though he is vilfied for believing. There it is, for what it's worth - if one's faith is in a denominational system, disappointment will be the outcome. If faith in Jesus first, then He won't disappoint - but *we* can disappoint Him, but He knows our weaknesses, and His Holy Spirit changes us from glory to glory, that we may end up looking as He is to those around us. By Grace, not Law. Goodnight and shalom!
@@kenbeach5021 It's a shared inspiration with the reader and the author, cotemporaneously. All the hooplah about this and that interpretation really comes down to our own ideas of time. Augustine said we perceive time as the present-past, the present-future and the present-present.
@@davidsprouse151 Differences of interpretation do of course exist, but in many cases I suspect are more differences in being willing to obey something that goes against modern culture and norms. Of course we all come to the text with subjective opinions, but I reckon over time the more objective nature of scripture as revelation will start to override that if we are willing.
All this twisting and turning to try and make what is unacceptable to the Lord acceptable in the churches.
2 Corinthians 6:14-18 comes to mind:
“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”
Who can we thank for this wonderful yolk?
@@davidsprouse151 Yoke, not yolk.
I left the C of E and now attend a Free Evangelical Church
Bridge building I'm so sick of all this waffle. I'm glad I have left. However how will this effect children's education in CofE schools. Living in love and faith. More like Living in Sodom and Gomorrah ... salt anyone. 😢
I've left the Church of England recently and joined the eastern orthodox church. Great decision. No liberal apostates.
You faithful need to network and create your own “working province” regardless of what synod/bishops/archbishops say. Then use whatever leverage you have to pressure the official leadership to accept this new reality on the ground. The global majority is ready and willing to be in fellowship with a faithful English province.
To talk of reconciliation implies that the main problem is a falling out between conservatives and liberals and once they understand each other and forgive each other all will be well. In other words it is personal and not theological.
Surely it's biblical
Which ironically is itself a theological stance!
I suppose everything is ultimately theological @@Crucian1
Hasn't the time come to recognise that the sheep and the goats are going to be separated, it is not possible to reconcile them, nor would it be righteous to attempt this.
The goat-run Apostate Church, run by the Whore of Babylon, drunk on the blood of the Tribulations Saints, Jezebel, is coming.
Those who voted FOR the LLF today will be guilty of trying to drag those in their parish churches into the Abyss with them, no matter what smooth words they attempt.
Telling G-d the Father that His Word, personified by Jesus, is wrong is a dangerous game to play, it is not holy but *strange* fire, and if Bible-believing orthodox Christians leave their churches over this, it will let them become like the US churches who have let their reprobate minds run riot, with LGBTQIPeBe+ drag-queen services and liturgies, and invoking G-d the Father to bless what He clearly describes as 'abominations' in His eyes and Word.
They need to pray and fight while they can - oust bishops and archdeacons, or any clergy who pushes the above agenda and tries to justify it with Scripture.
Scripture says that the Apostate Church will come, maybe sooner that we want, and the last three decades have been the time it has laid the first bricks - the Church Politic has had a seamy underbelly for centuries, but it's public face has been pious, at least. Not any more!
The HoB and the AoC need reforming, and the General Synod need to keep voting the LLF down for as long as they can! But they had better heed why GAFCON came about and realign themselves in public repentence, as per 2 Chronicles 7:14 - "If My people...".
Otherwise they will face a truly angry G-d, and lose their Lampstands (Rev 2-3), the Holy Spirit, and become abodes of demons. Not my rhetoric, but basic Scripture!
I agree with you both, @kenbeach and @chrismaguire.
@@FiveLoavesTwoFish1My reply seems to have disappeared. Maybe Rev Dan deleted it, maybe the Mod, or the YT algorithm, or someone reported it. But thanks, anyway.👍😉
@@chrismaguire3667 I don't think Rev Dan deletes comments, but UA-cam certainly does. It's a pity because it was a good and truthful one.
But before they are separated, the sheep will be fleeced.
The two views - Christian orthodox, biblical teaching and progressive Christian revisionism, are simply irreconcilable.
The Church news is important, but would it be possible please to also have some Bible Study? Thanks
Of course biblical Christians - as opposed to those who think they somehow know better - will reject same-sex sex and marriage. But the problem is that from foundation the CofE has been essentially unbiblical precisely by being an established church, and indeed that has contributed considerably to the current crisis as well....
These liberal/woke shenanigans in the church and society were 'prophesied' by Monty Python 50 years ago.....The Brigadier and Bishop sketch.
All truths are timeless .
Will the last one too leave, turn out the lights.
How is all this related to saving souls?
Fortunately, souls don't need saving.
@@davepugh2519 Unfortunately, yours does. Again, just why are you here? To torment us? Or *yourself?*
It’s about obeying the Bible
Why should anyone do that?@@Raymond-w5i
I suppose those who voted down Ed Shaw’s amendment are hoping against hope that this will all just go away!!
It's the same old problem, the Church of England is irreparably broken. It's been that way since 1992 when I left, and it was probably already broken before that. There is no common ground left to stand on. I suspect the conservatives and traditionalists will "triumph" in the end as the liberal church is visibly ageing and dying, but what will be left will not be the Church of England we have known.
The rock of faith has become shifting sands
Puzzled about why you left when the liberal, revisionist hierarchy supports same-sex marriage to the point that some bishops are openly living with their same-sex partners outside of marriage.
The real question is should we even discuss reconciliation with a group who wants to rid the Holy Bible from the CofE for that is the underlying aim of LLF. Too much time is being wasted on this fighting amongst ourselves while we have Islam gaining ever more influence & control over our😅 democracy that needs to be urgently dealt with. If not we will soon be yet another islamic state where Christianity is persecuted, Pakistan being the role model. What say you Asia Bibi?
Disagree, the gap is great but the church can change things around, any church can.
They’re representative of the house of God. The question is are they representing the ways of God or is it purely a business? Will they continue to undermine other faiths or work together to help the people they serve? The conversation needs to change, and like you said in another video/short, What is God Doing, is a question those involved in the discussions need to ask of themselves.
It’s so simple and ‘corny’; love each other, love every living thing and be thankful for your life, made possible through God’s love.
Why try to save the institution?
Why doesn't he just start his own church?
@@davepugh2519 no. Christ founded his beloved ppl. Just follow christ and live the gospel, and may the Rev. pastor his little flock the best he is able. Non-denominational
I still do not understand how structural differentiation will help lay people who are square pegs in round holes 😮
I was never good at that.
Can they square a circle? Why bother? Why not just be Christian enough to work together in spite of different views. The Church of England has coped with different views for centuries. I am sure the Church of England can cope now.
I cant get the hang of these probs. Can someone explain what IS the prob please? Are the rainbow people causing division again?
Yes. They have reinterpreted the Bible regarding same sex relationships and marriage and want force their 'beliefs' upon the majority (it would seem) of Anglicans. Either accept or suffer LGBQT philosophy and sexuality, re-interpret scripture to permit it in church, or leave the Faith because you would not be considered as "DEI" - Diversity, Equity, Inclusivity sympathetic, thus hateful. (Curious that this acronym for the new ideological God is the genitive singular of Deus - God). It would, perhaps, be more appropriate if they themselves left the Anglican Church and formed their own denomination but (of course) they won't do that. They have a problem and are attempting to forcing others to comply with their desired solution and ideology. Doesn't seem overly Christian to me, but that doesn't seem to bother some bishops. Proverbs 3:5-6.
@@johnbruce2868 One can' 'leave the Faith' because it is not the Church Politic, any more than it is a football team. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of G-d. It is also a spiritual gift, and an act. I have no faith, as such, in my denomination as far as my salvation is concerned, but in the One who has the power to save me. In this context, denominalationism *is not important!*
Witness: when a 'certain person' keeps coming to these sites to mock and scoff what he doesn't realise is that the Holy Spirit is convicting him of his need for Jesus to redeem and save him, but he's resisting and ramping up his sarcasm and incredulity at the fact that (1) he seeks out these sites and (2) actually listens to the presenters and reads the comments.
The more he is witnessed to, the more he can't help being drawn, just like Herod the Great and John the Baptist!
Sooner or later, something will challenge him to make a choice. He can choose Christ and real life,,or walk away from Him and denounce us. But if the first, then he can choose to join whatever denomination he feels led to, often a longish process of visiting them and seeing where he might fit in. Could be Catholic or any one of the number of protestant and house churches, not least the C of E! His faith grows and he is led into action, through discipleship and, bingo.
His salvation is already assured, and he's showing the skepical world the power of his faith by the deeds he's prompted by agape (sacrificial) love to do, even though he is vilfied for believing.
There it is, for what it's worth - if one's faith is in a denominational system, disappointment will be the outcome. If faith in Jesus first, then He won't disappoint - but *we* can disappoint Him, but He knows our weaknesses, and His Holy Spirit changes us from glory to glory, that we may end up looking as He is to those around us. By Grace, not Law. Goodnight and shalom!
Good summary, Please don't use the phrase progressives though as definitely not progress, stick with revisionists
This is what you get when your 'holy scripture' was written by mere humans.
I think there is plenty of evidence to argue for the divine inspiration of the scriptures.
@@kenbeach5021 It's a shared inspiration with the reader and the author, cotemporaneously. All the hooplah about this and that interpretation really comes down to our own ideas of time. Augustine said we perceive time as the present-past, the present-future and the present-present.
@@davidsprouse151 Differences of interpretation do of course exist, but in many cases I suspect are more differences in being willing to obey something that goes against modern culture and norms.
Of course we all come to the text with subjective opinions, but I reckon over time the more objective nature of scripture as revelation will start to override that if we are willing.
@kenbeach5021 I reckon.