HEATED DEBATE: Haaland Is NOT The Best Signing This Season!
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"the impact Botman and Casemiro have had is underrated just because they aren't strikers" Truth
That’s exactly what I was thinking when he said that, literally the most true statement in this whole UA-cam video.
Mate I’m with reev.. yes haaland is a robot but city are second. The way United and Newcastle have transformed their form around due to botman, Casemiro and a couple of other key players. They deserve to be high in the list, the impact is felt more with these players than with haaland.
That is true, but Haaland is still miles ahead. We're talking about possibly the best signing in English football, Casemiros decent performances for 70 million don't come close
Yeah they are good , but I don't think even think they could come close the performances of Haaland.
@@ironheade22 what about botman being the best defender in a team that are the best premier league defence since like 2000s chelsea
I agree that 'best signing' implies best bit of business, not simply the best player who has signed
Yeah and on that investment, how much has the player impacted his club as a return on said investment. The impact is judged upon (quality of player+performance)
@@deec.9575 £51.2 million transfer fee for Haaland. He’s already “earned that back” and we’re only halfway through the season.
IF he were to leave in 3/4/5 years, the transfer fee would be at LEAST £100 million.
Nothing but profit (through goals/titles or money) whether he stays or goes.
Best bit of business by far.
@@GreasyGoon If he were to leave now it would be north of $150M.
even then reev is undermining haaland so much. So far the guy has played 19 games and scored in 15 of them. He only didnt score against liverpool chelsea united (2nd time) and brentford. In all of those games the guy didn't even get a chance because city weren't creating well. he's also severely overrating casemiro and botman as signings. While they've had a massive impact, they are one of five different signings that both teams made. Lisandro Eriksen Antony Malacia Casemiro, and Botman Burn Pope Bruno Guimaraes and Isak. Haaland is basically city's only first team signing.
Haaland was bought for a quarter of what he's worth
I completely agree with reev that the ‘best signing’ is not necessarily the best player on paper who was signed last summer. I think the fee, impact on the club and play style all come into the equation. The ‘best signing’ should factor in how much of a hole the player has filled in a team. It’s not saying one player is better than the other more so that it is the best decision by a club to sign a player based on who has fit in best and performed best relative to
the thing is, if haaland had gone to arsenal, united or newcastle. It wouldn't even be an argument that hes the best signing. Its just being debated here because he joined the team that was already the best in the prem.
So you agree botman has been a better signing than haaland? Don’t be silly
He's spot on tbh
@@sury9500 it’s because since he came in not much has changed at city, it’s just that other players are scoring less so he can score more
@@baggiesfan257 100%
Justice for Joao Paulinha.
Ball knowledge 🧠
Ball knowledge was on point until top 3, then it plummeted further than West Ham have in the table
Man city last year after 20 games (49 goals and 50 point)
Man city this year after 20 games
(53 goals and 45 points)
Haaland has essentially made no difference. The argument of his teammates having a bad year? I my opinion if he is an elite signing he should make everyone around him better which clearly isn't the case!!
Love the content!!
Common oliver W
Justice for palhinha, casemiro, botman…
Reev your ball knowledge is on point
Depends how you look at it. I think City without Haaland would still be in the position they're in there goals would of just came from elsewhere the players who have had the biggest impact 100% Botman and Casemiro
From who exactly ? Gundo , Bernardo, Foden , Cancelo are all off from.
@@mattiknowyourmum7521 There's surely a reason for that though maybe they've had to change how they play to suit Haaland. I don't know man
@@TheRandomDudee that doesn't make sense. Was Haaland playing with them at the world cup ? ,because they were off it while playing for their countries as well.
Son and Salah have not scored this season. Just because you scored in the previous season doesnt mean you will score next season.
The argument saying others would score Haalands goals is so BS.
Agree.
Theo is already acting like snapshoteye in this video, creepy looking at the camera vibes
BTW Reev you are bang on, common Reev W
Reev is speaking FACTS.Defenders get overlooked far too often because they are not in the limelight as much as strikers...REEV knows ball.👏👏👏
They never get a look in for ballon dor and other best player of year awards like midfielders wingers and forwards
@@jacknelson927 It's just simply harder to measure the impact of a single defender because a defense also falls on the shoulders of each and every defender in the team including the goalkeeper and also the manager who develops the tactics. So it's almost impossible to tell. It's just basically all eye test. Not saying I agree that defenders shouldn't be considered for ballon d'ors but there is an explanation of why that is.
@@houdinilinguine It's also underlooked because it's just not glamorous. Despite how vital and transformative great defensive work can be it's aesthetically unpleasing unless you're Maldini and people are excited about great goals, not great defending.
Reeve does have a point
just not a good one
I think he has a very reasonable argument. The best signing can be determined based on factors like money spent and how the player impacted his team. This is why Antony at Utd has been called a flop so far because even though he has impacted Utd in certain ways, it’s not worth the money spent of him. Similarly, Haaland has scored SO much already but City are still second in the league. Haaland has the best performance but his impact isn’t as strong as someone like Casemiro’s
@@deec.9575 city fucked up, haaland is a crazy diff play style to what city like and grealish on top of that wins fouls all the time, stoping play allowing defences to reset, another massive downfall to city this season, Casemiro is easily the best signing in football this season, strangely followed by martinez and Jesus and zinchemko all tied second in my opinion
Theo’s football knowledge is actually shocking
Reev the only one that understands what makes a good signing
reev just never misses. also hows no one talking about theo and the geordie putting willian over eriksen. do they not realise he came in on a free as well
Agree with Reev's points here can't lie
Haaland has not improved city. lets make that perfectly clear. they are scoring the same number of goals as before. so...why was he a good signing? Yes, he is a goalscoring machine, but all he does is take goals off other players. A good transfer is a transfer that improves the club. Haaland does not do that.
@@HarryOKane123 there is no player that can go to city and drastically improve the squad. because they were already the best in the country. If haaland went to newcastle, man united, or arsenal. thered be no debate hes the best signing. Also haaland has improved the squad. The issues are at the back not the front. cancelo is out of form, dias, laporte and walker always having injury issues
Haaland wouldn’t score as much in those places theres no kdb feeding him
I love how confidently wrong Theo and friends are lol. Reev dub. Man knows ball.
This aged well
Broke the prem goal record for 60 mill who was wrong then lol
Completely Agree with Reev - United can't play the same way without Casemiro, Newcastle drop points without Botman But City can Still win without Haaland he's been incredible individually and stats wise but his impact on the Team doesn't compare to the other 2 #Noballknowledge #ReevLove
Theo and that beard bloke dont know nothing
Now that city have won the treble who you reckon was signing of that season?
Not having Lisandro Martinez is absolutely criminal. One of it got the best centre backs in the league this season, absolutely transformed United’s defence
If not*
He’s good but not even the best defender on his team so…
is he not the guy who conceded 4 to brentford, 6 to city, 3 to villa all while playing in one of the deepest back lines itl?
@@sharkfinn7234 one of the deepest lines in the league? Are you smoking crack?
@@jackgillin612 VARANE isn’t a new signing tho
If Haaland had scored 15 goals until now, which would still be great, I'd back Reev. However, he has beaten the golden boot tally from the previous 4 season half way through. And at 50 mil pounds that's unbelievable business. I know City are a great team, and most strikers would score a decent amount, but he's breaking records.
Giroud would be scoring double figures in that city team. Not taking anything from haaland, he is insane. The point is about impact you have in a team. Haaland hasn't taken city to a new level imo, but he was what they needed (and more) and 100% a top 3 signing.
@@sim0lation748 chatting rubbish , City wouldn't be able to play those though defense cutting through balls to Giruod cause he's got no pace. Giroud wouldn't start for city.
@@sim0lation748 Aguero, one of the greatest strikers in EPL history, never came close to Haaland's level? Why didn't he score that many in Man City if it was so easy?
@@mattiknowyourmum7521 mate haaland has one of the slowest accelerations i’ve seen in football it’s got nothing to do with pace and giroud would do the exact same thing
@@abuhassan8849 aguero had more to his game than haaland does. he scored a lot more than tap ins and could actually take on defenders
Theo is such a child 😂 honestly Reevs ball knowledge is levels above his.
Reev is absolutely spot on, don’t know how he can mention Paulinha but not Boubacar Kamara, for £0 I’d have Kamara top 3
Some shocking ball knowledge on display here, Reev is completely right how can Haaland be the best signing if city are worse than the last few years
City being worse is because of players going out and injuries. Most of these other players have another signing that helps them as well
@@004TOBY no it's not. De bruyne foden mahrez gundogan and Bernardo silva goal tally have all gone down massively because the majority of the time they force the ball to haaland
De bruyne has 3/4 prem goals this season for example
@@mlg-antz2365 While he is on his way to beat the assist record, youre so dumb
@@limpan9999 i said his goal scoring did I mention assists
Reev once again showing his ball knowledge is a tier above everyone else around him
How can he claim that this is based on performance and then put Trossard on the list? He's played like 10 minutes for Arsenal so far
I know some people shouldn’t be allowed to talk about football at all
I think Reev is mad for Haaland at 3rd, but I 100% back him on Palhinha. Definitely top 10, arguably top 5
Why? Kane has 16 goals at this spurs team that is struggling… 16. Put him in that city team and he is also around 20-25 goals too. Defenders are grossly overlooked
Haaland has scored lots of goals, but he hasn’t had any impact on City at all.
Absolutely lost it when Tom mentioned signing god 😂😂😂
Ahlie
It's honestly such a good point he made though, not even god could have the same impact in terms of spots climbed on the table than Sven has, it's impossible... which is why it's silly Reev used it as his main argument. Plus, Sven hasn't even done it himself. It's honestly just quite a silly argument
BOTMAN for me is the best signing
If Arsenal win the league, Theo will be the first one to say Odegaard should win POTY even if Haaland scored 100 goals this season.
love how confident theo and the other guy were that reev would be crucified but everyone in the comments is agreeing with him hahahaha
If we’re talking about impact, Haalands first season at City will be remembered in Prem history for as long as we live. No one else on the list is doing anything near to what he’s doing atm. This is madness
Haaland has not improved city. Lets make that perfectly clear. They are scoring the same number of goals as before. So...why was he a good signing? Yes, he is a goalscoring machine, but all he does is take goals off other players.
Its because ten years from now none is going to be watching every game to se who made a bigger impact but one glance at the stats will show you haalands goals.
Yeah but rating transfers has to be based on their impact to the team. It's debatable that City would be better without him where as Botman has improved Newcastle dramatically.
@@HarryOKane123and also wins them a treble..
@@hellohi1445 Yeah cause he was so key in the finals....
It’s crazy how reev is always the only one with some sense🤦🏾♂️
yep definitely aged well didn’t it
The distance that Newcastle’s signings have taken their team is further than halaand has taken city
I'm sure the point of a getting a big signing is to improve the team? Haaland has made City worse imo and for all the goals he scored his big game impact has been minimal recently. The amount of times City's play breaks down because he doesn't drop deep is a big problem why city concede so many chances recently.
Do you still back this?
Tom saying Utd were in the conversation for top 4 at the start of the season is ABSOLUTE bollocks! and he knows it! we were predicted to have a shocking season, just look up PL predictions on UA-cam before the season, you'll struggle to find that many that have us making top 4. People predicted liverpool to be at their usual best, arsenal to improve, Tuchels Chelsea to improve with massive transfer window and Spurs under Conte were looking pretty good - most people said we were the 6th best team in the country at that point
Reev is spot on with his point, its the impact the players have had on the team overall. City were still champs even without Håland, they still are 2nd. Without Botman and Casemiro, can’t see their respective sides in the position they are. And to call him dumb just because he has a different opinion says a lot about the others.
Exactly. Theo can be really annoying when he lifts his nose up
Should have heard what the other guy said... U have the opportunity to bring a team from bottom half to the first half... How much can haaland improve man city if they were defending champ..
Since when does the number of spots climbed on the table determine a single players impact? Newcastle have changed hands and Manchester United hired a new manager, nearly the whole of the teams themselves have been restructured so how can you put all their success on one player? That is just downright silly.
By that logic no player city sign would be an improvement since they already won the league without them 🤡.
@@mattiknowyourmum7521 Exactly, it makes no sense. That's why Tom made the argument that even if City signed God he couldn't win signing of the year.
To be honest I was surprised zinchenko was not top 5 in every list? He has been marvelous this season and is a BIG part of Arsenals success!
I'm late to the party here but that was seriously entertaining boys! I don't think Reeve takes an L here. I understand the frustration that City didn't have enough improvement to do so Earling's impact but that's just how it is, isn't it... Great episode! Also Pope at #1 LMFAO
the fact no one had akanji is outrageous
I'd have
1. Casemiro
2. Haaland
3. Botman
Kane got the most goals and most assists a few seasons ago and didn’t win player of the season
Reeve is right - and he stood his ground, good lad.
The best signing is a question answered from the perspective of the club, and City have been worse with Haaland, therefore from Man City's perspective he is not the best signing of the window. Haaland has been the best player that was signed this season, but not the best signing.
Saliba, Martinez and Stones better than Botman ? GET THAT CASUAL OUT OF HERE. Haaland has made City worse lol, Reev is yet again the most sensible person here. Also, I’m a defender of Haaland being a “tap in” merchant cause you have to be there to score them BUT jesus, it’s not like he’s doing a Luis Suarez, scoring all types of goals, he’s basically only scoring tap ins.
agree with reev, successful signing is not the amount of goals scored its the impact that player has on the team
Toms argument tactic is just to scream the loudest ahaha common Reev W
Love how the last list just take the piss out of Theo and the other guy😂
I like Tom, Theo doesn't have a clue about football but their take on Haaland isn't 100%
After 27 games City had scored 1 goal less than the same stage as last season even with all of Haaland goals. They aren't scoring anymore than they were before, they have changed how they play and are simply running everything through him. What he has done is unreal but his impact has changed much for City.. They haven't even increased their amount of goals.
I listen to Pitch Side whist working and i've just thought.. If I got £1 every time Theo had bad ball knowledge, I wouldn't have to work.
Also, Reev is 100% correct. Best Signing isn't about goals, it's how they impact the team, City have remained the same and Newcastle are flying high. I'm not a Newcastle fan but their defensive stats this season are incredible.
Tom is spot on. Haaland is having an unprecedented season and it’s not being appreciated here
Haaland may be the best player out of all of them (maybe not Casemiro), but he hasn't filled a big of a hole as much as Botman, Martinez, Casemiro or even Palhinha.
IN A DEBUT SEASON, IN A NEW LEAGUE. 25 Goals in 20 games… after Haaland leaves the league people will realise we had the best striker since R9
If City were top of the league then it would obviously Haaland. But despite all his goals, they are second, so as a signing there is at least the chance that someone has been a better if you view it as the impact they have had on their team. I'm a Utd fan and I'm not certain it isn't Haaland still, but I agree there is a debate to be had.
Surely the best signing, is the best signing for the club and as City are playing worse by trying to accommodate Haaland, and United and Newcastle are much better for Casemiro and Botman they are better signings?
Reeve has taken an L but you kinda expect Haaland to break the record in this City team, its hardly a shock that he's breaking records 😅 Botman, Caesmiro have elevated their clubs. No one expected them to have the impact they've had so far but you expect Haaland to have the impact he's had. Best signing/best player shouldn't always be most goals scored.
exactly, so why is it a Reev L when you just agreed that "best signing shouldn't always be most goals scored"
Reev with actual ball knowledge. Snapshot eye and Tom have that twitter ball knowledge 😂
To toms point - city haven’t played with a striker for years. They’ve relied on 3-5 people getting goals and playing as a team. Not a system that creates opportunities for one player. Sterling, jesus, silva and mahrez is very different to Halaand
Listening to the prat saying Haaland is a worse signing than Botman is like listening to the biggest prat of them all - Mark Goldbridge. " United doesn´t need Haaland " Then United pay even more for Antony who are totally crap, and Wout Weghorst, who is a championship striker at best.
Gents, Haaland scored 25 PL goals in 19 games not 20. He was injured for 1 game. As for City defense, Pep has chopped & changed the backline so many times, there’s not been a single backline lineup and position that has stayed the same for more than 2 games. That’s what is sinking the defense as well as some of the injuries. But Pep hasn’t allowed the backline to build any chemistry or partnerships bc of all his changing to a degree we’ve never seen before.
City will end on less points than previous years despite Halaands goals. Incredible goal scorer and one of the best signings, but it’s possible for other arguments to exist. Well done Reev.
Reev is 100% correct, you make a signing to improve team, so best signing is player who improved team the most, city are worse Newcastle improved 15 positions 😂 went from worst defence in league to best 1. Botman 2. Casemiro 3. Zinchenko (elite mentality is what’s winning arsenal the league) 4. Haaland (City are worse than last year) 5. Pope 6. Paulinhia 7. Martinez 8. Jesus 9. Mee 10. Estupinan
Terrible take even 6 months ago.
why does the football community see high amount of goals and that makes them better than others
Because city at the time needed a striker, so they brought one in and he had the best individual season a striker has ever had in the premier league and won the treble in his first season
Reev W as per, only one who actually does these lists correct
The guy on the right sound like Gary Neville
The best signing has been Casimero. He transformed United and we can see how much weaker without him. He really is the general of our team.
Kamara is a great shout near the bottom of the top 10, he'd be raved about if he was playing for a traditional top 6 side.
I agree with reev. Halaand has been mental ye but he joined a team that has already been dominating England , his stats are unreal ofc he’s been sick and you’d be silly to not to put him in top 3 but city would’ve realistically been top 3 anyway . But case and Botman have changed their clubs, no one expected united and newcastle to be where they’re this season. Reev W
That’s mad how someone who is gonna break a shit ton of goal records in his first season isn’t number 1….dudes literally gonna be in the record books
I back reev in this by far, but in this segment Tom reminds me of me, comes out with the most random stuff ever during a rant "a cats insurance" omfg. That got me going
As soon as someone starts shouting in an argument you know they've lost that argument 😭😭
Hardest thing to do is not score goals.. especially when most the goals he scores is tap ins.. clean sheets are the hardest thing to do
I think there’s definitely been other players in the Premier League that I’ve had a bigger impact than Harland, just because he’s scoring the goals doesn’t mean he’s the best player also this is why defenders don’t often win the big awards in football.
In comparison: Man City have scored 53 goals in 20 games this season with Haaland scoring 25.
Last season without Haaland they've scored 51. Not a huge difference imo, so I'd agree with Reev on this one. Botman or Casemiro would be first for me
Given Leeds current place in the table im not surprised that Tyler Adams wasnt included but he has been a massive signing this season given his price. Man locks down midfields every week.
Would u want a player that scores a goal every single time he steps on the pitch or a player that scores a hat trick every 4 games
What drinks are they drinking?
Theo doesn’t know 1 thing never watches ball reev brilliant
One of the best cases to prove Reev is right is Ronaldo last season. Yes, he bought goals and some vital ones but those goals didn’t help the team, dynamic or position in the league. An individual is pointless if their effect on the team doesn’t help/detriments it. Haaland is insane. He’s a goal machine BUT he hasn’t massively (if at all) improved City. They could easily get second at this stage without him.
That’s just so different though
I actually feel bad for reev having to deal with these bunch of fanboys they just say what everyone else says reev actually thinks about his list to make the show better
Martinez is the top 5 CB right now in pl and they don't even remember him
I reckon top three is
3 haaland
2 botman
1 casimiro
The reason is because that if you put haaland on a team like brentford or any mid table team he wouldn’t score half those goals the reason is he has the players around to feed him the passes and gets him all the tap ins even if he is in the right areas he wouldn’t get the right passes.
1. botman
2.haaland
3.casemiro
if haaland made city a better team they would be clear of everyone in the league but they are trying to focus too much on getting him goals
The same reason why defenders and goalkeepers win ballon dors
Does Haaland take all the goals now for city? seems like they are not as spread like before. Reminds me of last season with Ronaldo! everything was fed to him! which meant less goal contribution from the rest of the team. If his goals dry up who scores?
The guy say casemiro was not good in the first 3 match while he have trossard in his list 😂
Hardest job in football is goalkeeper, no idea where striker being the hardest job has come from. Especially with how much more goalkeepers are expected to do now.
8 mins in and the guy on the right hasn't said a word still 😂
They’re all saying that Haaland has scored ridiculous amounts of goals, but I think I could score 10 for City in a season if you stuck me up front.
City scored fewer goals this season than last season. All they did with Haaland was move the goals around. City won the league "without a striker" and now they've won the league with a striker, just with fewer team goals. This isn't fantasy football, and Reev is right.
And also won the treble... you forgot that part.
I didn't forget that part. He didn't score in the final 6 games of the season. He didn't score in either leg of the Champions League semi final, despite City scoring 5, or score in the final. He didn't score in the FA Cup final. He's a magnificent #9 but I don't think he has been the difference-maker he's made out to be, hence why I don't think he's the signing of the season despite racking up plenty of goals. He didn't drag Man City to a treble, he just took part in it. You'd have a stronger argument if he hadn't scored so many goals but did score the crucial goals to get to the final, then win it. But he didn't.
@@b3n3jyou don’t think he’s been the difference maker? You’re so delusional. When he’s getting marked by 2/3 players he sacrifices himself to free up other players.
Reev is clearly the only one that watches ball with the Joao Palhinha shout... how are they putting 2/3 Fulham players ahead of him wahah
i’d say the best signing is from who gains their club the most positions in the table, haaland has been amazing but without him they’d still be 2nd or at very lowest 3rd, botman and pope have helped their team more than haaland as they’ve taken them up like 5 positions in the table
This argument doesn't work at all. City can't climb up 5 places from last season . They were 1st
@@dionb7584 in this case we would consider that same jump as being comfortable in first place but they’re not even in first
@@dionb7584 not exactly like that but u get what i mean, if newcastle go from 9th to third then whoever they signed has helped them more
People have already forgotten United were gifted a goal against City.
People forget that man United we’re robbed of two against Newcastle. LOOK MOM I CAN BE DUMB TOO.
Go do something about it then.
@@WizzyBoy Wasn't one off side and the other ruled out cause the ref was waiting for the free kick to be taken. Like his arm is still up also known as play hasn't started.
1. Haaland
2. Casemiro
3. Pope
4. Jesus
5. Botman
6. Martinez
7. paulinha
8. Zinchenko
9. Alvarez
10. Akanji
Completely agree with reev. Haaland has done nothin this season that ppl didn’t expect him to do. We all expected him to break the record. Every game when we look at the scores and c he’s got another brace or hat trick. Nobody is surprised
how it Gnonto not mentioned?
I see both points re Haaland. I would say tho that I do think city are worse team than last season - has haaland made them a better team? he hasn't, in fact hes changed the whole way they play and now they dont look nearly as scary as team.
Both Tom and Theo cant cope with being wrong. Reev was spot on
Reevs point is completely valid, the toprhy for the most goals is golden boot. Doesn't make you automatically the best player. How can a player who gets like 6 to 10 touches a game but bags a ton of goals be the best footballer if his goals don't win his team the league
Completely agree with everything reev has said, haalands personal achievement is great but ultimately when he doesn’t score he doesn’t do anything, furthermore city actually look like a worse team and more one dimensional with haaland.
Not knowing the difference between best player and transfer for you
Funny watching this a month later. The brunmie lad literally seeing the future
That is just wrong though
he's completely right about Botman and Casemiro being better signings that Haaland based on impact on their individual sides