Great job with this comparison. As a SONY/Canon shooter, I opted for the A7IV on lens selection alone. Truthfully, I could be happy with the R6 Mark II just the same, but economics prevail.
100s of EF lenses that work as good or better on mirrorless so the lens argument is moot. And the 3rd party lenses will eventually make their way to the full frame range
@@thetoyota86perspective54 > 100s of EF lenses 10:04 > will eventually make their way to the full frame range Tell that to someone buying this gear today.
I shoot with the A7C and the R6Mii. Having third party NATIVE lens options makes Sony a winner. Until Canon becomes less greedy, I'll continue investing in the Sony system, considering that for my RF mount bodies, my most-often used lenses are from Tamron and Sigma on EF mount.
Having owned both cameras your points are spot on. I will say I prefer the mode dial of the R6II though. The A7IV mode dial was the only thing that felt cheap on the A7IV to me and it was very touchy. In terms of IQ despite the resolution difference, I prefer the R6 II in terms of color and quality. The lack of 3rd party lenses is a HUGE problem for Canon. Currently I am stuck using older, heavier EF glass and while it works flawlessly, adapting is miserable. Also, when watching video, IMO Sony still blows Canon away. Maybe it is user error, but the video quality of the A7IV was far better. The main difference that left me with Canon was the burst rate. As a hybrid sports shooter, the A7IV just could not keep up on the photo side for fast action. All in all, both great cameras, but I think if I could do it all again, I would have kept the A7IV for the better video quality and lens selection.
The plastic exterior (R6 II) looks cheap, and when you open the battery compartment cover you can see the thickness of the camera on the outside - it's so thin that a bump would break it (not like my 5DIV). I prefer the Sony a7IV, it looks more robust and solid.
I’m lean heavy towards the video side of the house. Love the colors out of the camera and ergonomics. The big deal breaker for me is the potential for overheating. I did a side by side test of the Mark II v A74 indoors 72 degrees and both cameras set to 4k60. Best I could get in canon was 36!minutes. a74 went 1.5 hours with no issues. Would have gone longer but battery died. Speaking of batteries. Sony wins that battle hands down.
If Sony would make a camera around 30 megapixel, much better screen and evf and also clean up their menus. I would consider going back to Sony. Had the R6 earlier and loved that camera. Yes the lenses are super expensive. 85/1.2 Costa around 3100$ in Sweden that's bananas. I used EF glas and mostly sigma. Worked good and but it sucks that still almost 3 years down the line that they haven't released any third party lenses. Thinking on picking up a new camera but can't spend like 7500$ for three lenses which i want to own. 35,85 and 70-200 that's what I need to pay for used lenses. So conserving either a used r6 again or a new r6ii with a used 70-200 or a used 85/1.2
Hi Lee ..! I ´d like to know if you consider the difference between the 2 cameras in Dynamic range performance is significant or not , specially pulling shadows up. thank you so much .
If I was looking at a camera brand to spend loads of money on, I’d choose Leica lol. Sony between these two, easily. Cannon are shooting themselves in the foot
And they sell 8k TVs in their other departments... I seriously don't get why there isn't more cross-pollination between the amazing technological advances at the different branches of Sony.
I love the r6mii but the lack of lenses is holding me back more than expected. Wish I chose Sony after switching systems. In hand I found the Canon much more satisfying.
Canon’s EF (L) series adapted onto the R6MKII are razor sharp. So there are options to better price lenses but I see the RF lens lack of 3rd party point.
DO THE MATH. The $2500 price point can be misleading because once you factor in 3-6 lenses the cost of Sony with Tamron+Sigma Art vs. Canon with Canon RF the Canon kit will cost several times that of Sony.
Stop comforting yourself about sony weak IBIS by saying its less robotic hahaha it helps a LOT in photography if u have such a strong IBIS like in Canon
The S5 II is crippled in 4k60 and also in HD high speed modes... it also has "unreliable autofocus that hasn't caught up to Sony/Canon" - DSLR Videoshooter (go check his real world review of the S5 II and he discusses it's issues that most of the UA-camrs who got free cams will not discuss).
For me it's actually the shutter sound and grip comfortability. I shot a wedding with the R6. So smooth and quiet. Silent shutter was so easy Went back to my A7III. That clack is such a distraction in the quieter moments and then I have to worry about rolling shutter or lights in silent mode. Then the grip, I almost liken the Canon to an Audi. The user experience is really catered for. While the Sony feels more like a Volkswagen. Less comfortable but very practical. For me the best of both worlds would be the A9III with a bigger grip. Also Sony not having a stabilised 24-70mm f2.8 is baffling to me.
Good comparison video! IMHO whichever ecosystem you're currently invested in, that'll be the best camera for you. The great adaptable & vast EF L lenses and its falling prices makes up for the lack of 3rd party lenses on Canon. Shame on those people who complains about Canon's lack of 3rd party lenses but not using them in their Sony bodies lol! I'm using Canon R6 + RF 24-105 f/4 L with the Atomos ecosystem for hybrid use, greatly works for my use case. Peace 🙌🏼
in my 15 years make money from using canon ... i have just own 3 lenses... Sigma art 35 1.4, canon EF 85 1.4 L, and canon 16-35mm 2.8 L, and the rest i just rent it ...
@@leighann5308 i use from 5D mk 2, sell it and buy 6D, same sell it and buy 6D mk 2, again upgrade to EOS RP, and finally now is EOS R. And i have two EOS R, coz that good for filling my needs. R6 maybe better for some point, but EOS R still fill my cup, so not need for upgrade, for now.
@@denniemullete Yeah, how many lenses do you *actually* need... How do you adapt the Sigma lens to the RF mount? With the EF - EOS R adapter? How well does it work in practice?
Depends how much money you have/are willing to spend. Rag on Canon all you want for not having 3rd party lenses, but the R6 with Canon L glass, particularly their 28-70mm f/2, is superior to any A7 setup you can come up with.
Very well done review. Your Iso and AF conclusions contradict several other reviews I’ve seen which probably just goes to show how close these cameras are. I own the r6 and slightly prefer the r6 ii overall, but the lens issue with Canon feels like a big FU from them. I’m considering returning the favor. Sony has so many great lens options and growing all the time.
Yeah. Alex Barerra did direct comparisons (with raw files provided) and the R6 II had better dynamic range and ISO noise than the A7IV, and also was surprisingly sharper.
Sony really needs to get rid of those dangling rings and change their hideous pleather grips to rubber, like Canon uses. Sony interiors (sensors, processors, etc) are Teslas and their exteriors are 1985 Trans-Ams. It makes no sense.
I stuck with canon, til now. The fact that they still dont allow third party lens manufacturers make lenses for the rf mount is beyond me. Insane. No battery grip for the r7 i had either, wtf... Sold of all my canon gear and bought an a7 iv
Gotta ask yourself the real question, is your skill sets over exceed the cameras capabilities? Otherwise you’re just a crybaby for wanting latest and greatest.
If Canon opened their RF mount to 3rd party lenses I would stay with them. Sony's E-mount has an enormous selection of 3rd party lenses as well as excellent choices made by them. I think the Canon AF system is great for all kinds of photography, and so is the Sony. But, the low fps of the Sony A7 IV is a major drawback for me. I can't understand why Sony didn't give the A7 IV at least 12 - 15 fps. I would jump to them for my next camera!
I made a mistake of pre-ordering canon r7, i got too exited. And now it sits on my shelf, because I shoot wildlife. With adaptor their old lenses do not perform as you would expect, tamron can be thrown out to trash and their 100-500, 3000k lense is 7.1 + you loose half range with their extenders. Mid blowing, even If I threw all my money on one lense. I cant justify it given performance and the fact that sony has half price 200-600 that is extra 100 reach 6.3. This is the lense that is making me think about switching, being canon user since the beginning. Canon r7 body 1.5k body + 3000 zoom, costs more than Sony R7 iv 2.2k + zoom 1.7k. I wish I bought sony for mirorless and regret my purchase, only if I knew they would not support 3rd party lenses!
I had the A7iv and currently have the R6II. Sony pros- more lens options, smaller lens, betters lens for video, better video quality all-i and less noise Canon pros: color science, ibis, eye auto focus, 4k 60 no crop, better grip and menu, better screen
I was on the fence last year over either the Cannon RF or Sony FE ecosystem. I fully bought into the Sony FE system and could not be happier. I know have Sigma, Tamron, Sony G, and G master lenses for my pro work. Awesome results on my A7IV & A7RV! I would have spent thousands more going with the RF ecosystem.
@@LeeZavitz … Great video. I could use your advice though. I bought an R6 Mark II 24-105/4L kit and don’t really find the results very sharp. Do you think I would see a big improvement with the 24-70/2.8L ? I tried the A7Iv with 24-70/2.8II Gmaster at a store and the results seemed much better than what i’ve been using . Thoughts?
@@mitchellglick8737The 24-105 F4 isn’t really a sharp lens and tends to be soft at F4. It needs to be stopped down to be sharp. There are much sharper zoom lens in canon but not for this price.
You are right! The robustness of Sony cameras is questionable. Actually Nick Paige has a video about this called "Goodbye Sony! I'm changing camera systems". His A7RIV fell apart completely after normal use and he switched to the R5 which is way more robust.
These two are so close. With the iso comparison I honestly couldn’t see what you were talking about, the canon looks just as sharp to me. Though I do know Sony has some behind the scenes noise reduction and sharpening going on that makes it appear to have less noise. When you turn high iso NR off, the Sony has some really bright chroma noise that isn’t evenly spaced throughout and can be a bit blotchy. But I’m not sure noise even matters anymore with the insane noise reduction AI that many softwares, including Lightroom, now have. The extra 8.8 megapixels on the Sony can be advantageous for cropping a bit more but at both of these cameras respective 100% crops, the sharpness and detail look identical, with the only caveat being that the Sony appears to be “closer” to the subject in the crop due to the larger image size. The video looks great on both, Sony may have a slight edge there in the image it captures, but that’s where it ends in my opinion. The bad ibis and rolling shutter limit what you can achieve with the A7IV to slower and more static shots. Panning is nigh impossible and any little shakes you get show up as wobbly or tilting vertical lines in the A7IV. It just can’t handle action or movement well at all with the 27ms sensor readout speed. The R6II is far better with this with a sensor readout speed that rivals cameras above it’s weight class. I honestly don’t know, man. It’s a really hard decision between these two. I just spend a year and a half shooting on an A7IV and it wasn’t always enjoyable. I had a few shoots ruined due to the rolling shutter problem, and it’s so settings and tech heavy that it’s difficult to keep up with all the little bits and bobs you have to set to get going. I just switched to the R6II to see what it’s like so I guess I’ll find out in the next year. Wish me luck. Lol.
Good afternoon. Thanks for the reply. How are things going with the Canon R6 m2 right now? can you make a preliminary conclusion and tell me if you like making videos on this camera? Maybe I already like it more than on sony m4. Thanks!
Imagine when canon opens their mount to third party I think everyone will switch to canon simply because of the superior auto focus and ergonomics superb ibis, great screens and awesome native glass. Sony keeps thinking they can pull off minor upgrades between cameras and no firmware updates for older cameras. Not anymore they have a serious competition and canon has done amazing in the last few years to catch up or may be push past Sony.
I have an option to get used sony a7iv or new canon r8, or just collect some money for couple months and get new canon r6ii. I like colour of canon more. Had Sony 7rii and canon 5dmark3
I honestly expected a much bigger difference in picture quality for the Sony since it has 33mp. It is not that noticeable at all, I had to pixel peep and really concentrate to see it.
yo! I'm using a 5D4 right now. I'm looking for an upgrade and doubting between these 2 camera's. I mainly shoot concerts, artist, partying people in clubs, so mostly low light conditions. For what should I go? I can not decide!
Both are great options. I prefer Sony but that’s because I’ve been shooting with Sony for along time now. But if you want to stay in the canon world the r6mkii is great! They will be very comparable in lowlight but a7iv has slightly more resolution at 33mp
Thank you! you helped me go towards the Sony a7iv. But do you think they will come out with new cameras this fall? If they do, do you they theyll lower the price of the Sony a7iv?
It’s a dream for me to get one of these cameras Both are expensive I have the original Sony A7 and I am looking forward to get a good Sony camera in the near future maby
Great video! Do you think Sony will push updates or firmware revisions to address a lot of the areas that it underperformed against the r6 or are they too indepth that they'd be corrected/improved on the next model? Thank you!
@@TomasRamoska lol both systems has their own respective flagships. With current market trend it's all about what you want and what you have. R6ii and 7iv are similarly priced in my region. If you are starting out new it'll be hard on your pockets to take r6ii than a7iv ( it doesn't make sense as well).
@@saidharshini4187 You should not compare the price of the bodies. The body has only very marginal impact on the image, quality lenses are much more important. The Sigma 24-70 F2.8 is 1300 euro cheaper than the Canon RF variant, while both give similar outstanding image quality.
I just bought the eos R6 ii and iam afraid i made a bad choice 😢 the Ibis wobble is horrible... The lenses are very expensive... The video codecs are very bad (no all-i and log2)... What do you think?😭
I don’t know, dude. The A7IV has some horrific rolling shutter in video, which actually ruined a shoot for me, and the ibis on the Sony does next to nothing, so you need to invest in a gimbal with the A7IV for video no matter what. With the R6ii, the ibis wobble is only visible below 22mm. So if you can manage shooting handheld at or above 22mm, then you have nothing to worry about, but again, you’d have to invest in a gimbal to shoot wider than 22mm on canon to get rid of the wobble(by turning stabilization off). The r6ii’s sensor readout speed is essentially twice as fast as the A7IV, so the tilt you see in video with fast moving subjects or while panning is negligible, but very noticeable on the Sony. Plus the r6ii can shoot sports photos with the electronic shutter at 40fps, while the Sony cannot due to its slow readout speed. Plus 12fps uncompressed raw on the r6ii vs 5fps uncompressed raw on the A7IV. As for codecs, it depends on what platform you’re shooting for. If it’s youtube or delivering wedding clients a video or something, IPB is totally fine. You will not notice a difference. If you’re shooting a big production then you may want the all i. Remember though, IPB is a compressed format, so when you’re editing it gets decompressed and retains most of the information that you’d get out of all i. From my experience the r6ii produces a nicer looking image in both photo and video. I had the A7IV for a year and it was a fine camera, but I really like what I’m getting out of the r6ii. More than what I got from the A7IV. To my eyes, everything on the canon just looks neater and more well put together when you pixel peep. When viewing at full width, the Sony’s images always looked so washed out to me, and it has a slight green tint to it. Not enough contrast and you can tell even after editing. This happens because of the great dynamic range of the A7IV. The canon’s colors are just immaculate, so is the contrast. But that’s subjective and it’s what I prefer. So no, I don’t think you made a bad choice because in the end, the two are strikingly similar in performance. If you tried both you’d probably find the differences negligible as I did.
Its not that Sony improved colors it’s that canon sucks now. The canon feels ten times better in the hand and the AF is better. Touch screen is better. Lee did you really think the Sony AF was better because the canon I could not shake off the Eye AF if I tried.
I have all the lens i need in RF EF in almost all the focal lengths, 3rd party lens is not an issue just want the RF 28-70F2 only Canon makes it ... no 3rd party or Sony makes that one. My EF lens focus better on the RF platform w/ the adapter that allows me to have ND/Pol filter, super convenient on the run and gun... so I picked up the R6ii and waiting for the R5ii along with the R1. Sold the Sony A1 with no AI chip before the price bombs and picked up the R3 with awesome specs.. My A7iv is collecting dust and having more fun with the Nikon Z6ii i bought on sale. Maybe i'll wait for the A9iii to see if it will have the AI chip. If you wanted to start today: At today's offerings... all the makers are really good..... they all are fun and great to shoot photos, videos with and all the makers are coming out with awesome focus algorithms (except Nikon), great unique lens....just choose a brand that fits your hand well and enjoy making images... . One serious problem i see is if you travel a lot, you will find some countries don't know, don't sell and don't support Sony.... recently Brazil...have lots of sad Sony users. Anyone sitll have their VAIO with the exploding batteries? i have 2 in the garage still waiting for my replacement batteries. but for traveling the Sony compact body and lens are wonderful to carry around.
I love the A7iv and it’s a solid camera but it comes with weaknesses. rolling shutter, cropped 4K 60, and slower burst rate. That’s where the R6mkii has it beat.
your wrong,. availability of 3rd party glass does mean your company has better tech,. FYI,. all sigma lenses blows out all sony GM lenses,. which mean,. SONY LENSE TECH is really a trashed,,. VS sigma lenses,. and can you tell me can SONY MAKE THEIR OWN 85mm 1.2 GMASTER LENSE??? if their tech is really superior??? does sony have 5.2mm DUAL FISH EYE LENSE?? do they have 28-70mm f2 lense?? do they have EF 50mm 1.0???? Does sony have 200mm 1.8????? does sony have 85mm 1.2??? REALLY??? SONY HAS SUPERIOR WHEN IN COMES TO LENSES???? YES PROBABLY right now because of 3rd glass only,. but it doest mean sony has superiority when it comes to innovations,. they have because they has been more than 10years+ in mirrorless game,. but canon has only 4years in mirrorless world,. and yet canon Beat out sony autofocused system in just a few years,.
One thing I notice here is just how much sharper the R6 II is, especially at higher ISOs. Seems the R6 II has a weaker AA filter and the A7IV seems to have a lot of noise reduction applied to files making them "mushy". 3:16 is a great example of this... the A7IV has no detail at all in most of the frame.
Yea, possibly, but this difference is almost certainly due to the lens used and how it reacts with the very strong light in the frame. This affects contrast, but with some lenses more so than with others. I don't think it is due to the sensor.
@@Eikenhorst Interesting, so you'd say that the RF lens render more detail than the more affordable Sigma lens? Heard great things about both but I'm primarily shooting low-light and I'd like to invest in the right system.
Not in my experience. Had the A7IV for a year and it would rip through batteries quick. Just picked up the r6ii and the battery lasts forever (for shooting photos). If I had to make an educated guess for my experience, it’s probably due to the Sony doing more processing in camera for each photo taken.
@@YaYousef5 Most testing seems to show the S5II focusing is on par with these two cameras. For someone looking to buy a camera right now, why would they care how long it took for Panasonic to add PDAF? So long as it's available now and works well?
You lost me when you said "when it comes to image quality, Im not really gonna spend a ton of time talking about this" ...then why tf do a comparison of the cameras? Image quality affects purchase decisions.
Because the image quality is basically negligible. We are at a time in cameras where image quality has peaked and its about autofocus, lens ecosystem, feel of the camera in your hand, other creature comfort features.
@@LeeZavitz really? Is photography your main profession or making youtube videos? Because serious professionals like myself expect to watch these videos and be educated on the image quality before making a purchase. Better you say, image quality is not that important to you. Smh
Great job with this comparison. As a SONY/Canon shooter, I opted for the A7IV on lens selection alone. Truthfully, I could be happy with the R6 Mark II just the same, but economics prevail.
Maybe when you wrote this but not anymore. Canon has finally opened to 3rd party lens support
@@TheChadWork2001only for APSC
100s of EF lenses that work as good or better on mirrorless so the lens argument is moot. And the 3rd party lenses will eventually make their way to the full frame range
@@thetoyota86perspective54 > 100s of EF lenses
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> will eventually make their way to the full frame range
Tell that to someone buying this gear today.
I shoot with the A7C and the R6Mii. Having third party NATIVE lens options makes Sony a winner. Until Canon becomes less greedy, I'll continue investing in the Sony system, considering that for my RF mount bodies, my most-often used lenses are from Tamron and Sigma on EF mount.
Having owned both cameras your points are spot on. I will say I prefer the mode dial of the R6II though. The A7IV mode dial was the only thing that felt cheap on the A7IV to me and it was very touchy. In terms of IQ despite the resolution difference, I prefer the R6 II in terms of color and quality. The lack of 3rd party lenses is a HUGE problem for Canon. Currently I am stuck using older, heavier EF glass and while it works flawlessly, adapting is miserable. Also, when watching video, IMO Sony still blows Canon away. Maybe it is user error, but the video quality of the A7IV was far better. The main difference that left me with Canon was the burst rate. As a hybrid sports shooter, the A7IV just could not keep up on the photo side for fast action. All in all, both great cameras, but I think if I could do it all again, I would have kept the A7IV for the better video quality and lens selection.
The plastic exterior (R6 II) looks cheap, and when you open the battery compartment cover you can see the thickness of the camera on the outside - it's so thin that a bump would break it (not like my 5DIV). I prefer the Sony a7IV, it looks more robust and solid.
Greatly appreciated your detailed feedback. Very informative
I’m lean heavy towards the video side of the house. Love the colors out of the camera and ergonomics. The big deal breaker for me is the potential for overheating. I did a side by side test of the Mark II v A74 indoors 72 degrees and both cameras set to 4k60. Best I could get in canon was 36!minutes. a74 went 1.5 hours with no issues. Would have gone longer but battery died. Speaking of batteries. Sony wins that battle hands down.
Will XAVC-I offer better quality than IPB for video?
If Sony would make a camera around 30 megapixel, much better screen and evf and also clean up their menus. I would consider going back to Sony. Had the R6 earlier and loved that camera. Yes the lenses are super expensive. 85/1.2 Costa around 3100$ in Sweden that's bananas. I used EF glas and mostly sigma. Worked good and but it sucks that still almost 3 years down the line that they haven't released any third party lenses. Thinking on picking up a new camera but can't spend like 7500$ for three lenses which i want to own. 35,85 and 70-200 that's what I need to pay for used lenses.
So conserving either a used r6 again or a new r6ii with a used 70-200 or a used 85/1.2
Hi Lee ..!
I ´d like to know if you consider the difference between the 2 cameras in Dynamic range performance is significant or not , specially pulling shadows up. thank you so much .
Always favourite for Sony a7m4 ❤🎉
The Canon always seems to have a yellow shift to it but other than that very comparable!
Canon has half size raw files and c-raw is 10mb and could find and difference from raw...so it takes half size on your cards and hardrive
Will you do a camera comparison of the s23 Ultra against the iPhone 14 pro max?
Which cameras are these? Are they mirrorless?
If we use RF adaptor in canon, does it compromise the water resistant feature of the camera?
It the adapter is suppose to have sealing on it but it won’t be as good as a native RF lens
what is cinematch?
Horrible Rolling Shatter in Sony a7iv & over heating issue garbage Sony LCD
If I was looking at a camera brand to spend loads of money on, I’d choose Leica lol. Sony between these two, easily. Cannon are shooting themselves in the foot
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After so many years, Sony still puts horrible LCDs on their cameras.
And they sell 8k TVs in their other departments... I seriously don't get why there isn't more cross-pollination between the amazing technological advances at the different branches of Sony.
Sadly yes, you are right
It's called cost. Why do you think r6mk2 cost more.
@@ricr.4669 naaaah... Even in the pricier cameras Sony uses shitty screen
The worse. My Canon RP looks better.
I love the r6mii but the lack of lenses is holding me back more than expected. Wish I chose Sony after switching systems. In hand I found the Canon much more satisfying.
same. im actually thinking of switching back to sony due to it being way more affordable than Canon to me
Same!
I don't see which lenses you can get for Sony you don't get for canon. Canons RF line does have some of the best lenses.
@@davidrenz1534 go to the camera store.
Canon’s EF (L) series adapted onto the R6MKII are razor sharp. So there are options to better price lenses but I see the RF lens lack of 3rd party point.
DO THE MATH. The $2500 price point can be misleading because once you factor in 3-6 lenses the cost of Sony with Tamron+Sigma Art vs. Canon with Canon RF the Canon kit will cost several times that of Sony.
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Stop comforting yourself about sony weak IBIS by saying its less robotic hahaha it helps a LOT in photography if u have such a strong IBIS like in Canon
Oh, really nice comparison! Would love to see the Panasonic S5 II in the mix 👏
The S5 II is crippled in 4k60 and also in HD high speed modes... it also has "unreliable autofocus that hasn't caught up to Sony/Canon" - DSLR Videoshooter (go check his real world review of the S5 II and he discusses it's issues that most of the UA-camrs who got free cams will not discuss).
Niche lens mount is what kills it as an option.
For me it's actually the shutter sound and grip comfortability.
I shot a wedding with the R6. So smooth and quiet. Silent shutter was so easy
Went back to my A7III. That clack is such a distraction in the quieter moments and then I have to worry about rolling shutter or lights in silent mode.
Then the grip, I almost liken the Canon to an Audi. The user experience is really catered for.
While the Sony feels more like a Volkswagen. Less comfortable but very practical.
For me the best of both worlds would be the A9III with a bigger grip.
Also Sony not having a stabilised 24-70mm f2.8 is baffling to me.
Good comparison video! IMHO whichever ecosystem you're currently invested in, that'll be the best camera for you. The great adaptable & vast EF L lenses and its falling prices makes up for the lack of 3rd party lenses on Canon. Shame on those people who complains about Canon's lack of 3rd party lenses but not using them in their Sony bodies lol! I'm using Canon R6 + RF 24-105 f/4 L with the Atomos ecosystem for hybrid use, greatly works for my use case. Peace 🙌🏼
If we’re talking about results I prefer the canon image but Sony has more lenses available for much better prices
in my 15 years make money from using canon ... i have just own 3 lenses... Sigma art 35 1.4, canon EF 85 1.4 L, and canon 16-35mm 2.8 L, and the rest i just rent it ...
@@denniemullete that’s all you need what canon camera do you use?
@@leighann5308 i use from 5D mk 2, sell it and buy 6D, same sell it and buy 6D mk 2, again upgrade to EOS RP, and finally now is EOS R. And i have two EOS R, coz that good for filling my needs. R6 maybe better for some point, but EOS R still fill my cup, so not need for upgrade, for now.
@@denniemullete Yeah, how many lenses do you *actually* need... How do you adapt the Sigma lens to the RF mount? With the EF - EOS R adapter? How well does it work in practice?
Depends how much money you have/are willing to spend. Rag on Canon all you want for not having 3rd party lenses, but the R6 with Canon L glass, particularly their 28-70mm f/2, is superior to any A7 setup you can come up with.
Sony implement the focus breathing and canon follows, u should have mention canon implement shutter curtain to protect sensor then sony follows too
Very well done review. Your Iso and AF conclusions contradict several other reviews I’ve seen which probably just goes to show how close these cameras are. I own the r6 and slightly prefer the r6 ii overall, but the lens issue with Canon feels like a big FU from them. I’m considering returning the favor. Sony has so many great lens options and growing all the time.
They are both awesome and end of the day the differences are so minimal for most people. Though I would say I wish a7iv had ff 4K 60p
Yeah. Alex Barerra did direct comparisons (with raw files provided) and the R6 II had better dynamic range and ISO noise than the A7IV, and also was surprisingly sharper.
I've been shooting with all three major systems (Canon, Nikon, Sony) and all have some serious deficiencies. Why can't they learn from each other?
At the point he mentioned iso, I came looking for comments like this because every other review says otherwise 🙃 but here you gave it to Sony
Sony really needs to get rid of those dangling rings and change their hideous pleather grips to rubber, like Canon uses. Sony interiors (sensors, processors, etc) are Teslas and their exteriors are 1985 Trans-Ams. It makes no sense.
I stuck with canon, til now. The fact that they still dont allow third party lens manufacturers make lenses for the rf mount is beyond me. Insane. No battery grip for the r7 i had either, wtf... Sold of all my canon gear and bought an a7 iv
I am literally thinking of doing the same
Gotta ask yourself the real question, is your skill sets over exceed the cameras capabilities? Otherwise you’re just a crybaby for wanting latest and greatest.
If Canon opened their RF mount to 3rd party lenses I would stay with them. Sony's E-mount has an enormous selection of 3rd party lenses as well as excellent choices made by them. I think the Canon AF system is great for all kinds of photography, and so is the Sony. But, the low fps of the Sony A7 IV is a major drawback for me. I can't understand why Sony didn't give the A7 IV at least 12 - 15 fps. I would jump to them for my next camera!
Thank you Lee, this video was the final push that I need it to go for Sony :-)
رايكم ايه Canon R6II + RF 35mm f/1.8 او A7IV sony
I made a mistake of pre-ordering canon r7, i got too exited. And now it sits on my shelf, because I shoot wildlife. With adaptor their old lenses do not perform as you would expect, tamron can be thrown out to trash and their 100-500, 3000k lense is 7.1 + you loose half range with their extenders. Mid blowing, even If I threw all my money on one lense. I cant justify it given performance and the fact that sony has half price 200-600 that is extra 100 reach 6.3. This is the lense that is making me think about switching, being canon user since the beginning. Canon r7 body 1.5k body + 3000 zoom, costs more than Sony R7 iv 2.2k + zoom 1.7k. I wish I bought sony for mirorless and regret my purchase, only if I knew they would not support 3rd party lenses!
For me I’ve realised that canon has way way better in body stability
Bro thx for being so clear! Really appreciate your video thx!
Canon is absolutely better on images but the video features are amazing on sony.
I had the A7iv and currently have the R6II.
Sony pros- more lens options, smaller lens, betters lens for video, better video quality all-i and less noise
Canon pros: color science, ibis, eye auto focus, 4k 60 no crop, better grip and menu, better screen
You are mostly right except when it comes to noise. For photos the R6 II is better but for video maybe not...
Does the IPB codex bother you?
@@DB-lr6kl I'm not a pro so not really but it sucks they don't have all-i for a $2500 camera.
@@kifley19I agree! Did you notice any difference in editing?
Which one do you prefer tho?
I was on the fence last year over either the Cannon RF or Sony FE ecosystem. I fully bought into the Sony FE system and could not be happier. I know have Sigma, Tamron, Sony G, and G master lenses for my pro work. Awesome results on my A7IV & A7RV! I would have spent thousands more going with the RF ecosystem.
Nice! So many lens choices for Sony. Can’t go wrong
@@LeeZavitz … Great video. I could use your advice though. I bought an R6 Mark II 24-105/4L kit and don’t really find the results very sharp. Do you think I would see a big improvement with the 24-70/2.8L ? I tried the A7Iv with 24-70/2.8II Gmaster at a store and the results seemed much better than what i’ve been using . Thoughts?
@@mitchellglick8737The 24-105 F4 isn’t really a sharp lens and tends to be soft at F4. It needs to be stopped down to be sharp. There are much sharper zoom lens in canon but not for this price.
Nobody talks about this on UA-cam, but I’ve had 3 shutters break between an A7III and 2 A7IVs. I think Sony has a problem.
You are right! The robustness of Sony cameras is questionable. Actually Nick Paige has a video about this called "Goodbye Sony! I'm changing camera systems". His A7RIV fell apart completely after normal use and he switched to the R5 which is way more robust.
You test so many brands, which one do you prefer? And, also, full frame or aps c? Fuji, canon, sony?
These two are so close. With the iso comparison I honestly couldn’t see what you were talking about, the canon looks just as sharp to me. Though I do know Sony has some behind the scenes noise reduction and sharpening going on that makes it appear to have less noise. When you turn high iso NR off, the Sony has some really bright chroma noise that isn’t evenly spaced throughout and can be a bit blotchy. But I’m not sure noise even matters anymore with the insane noise reduction AI that many softwares, including Lightroom, now have.
The extra 8.8 megapixels on the Sony can be advantageous for cropping a bit more but at both of these cameras respective 100% crops, the sharpness and detail look identical, with the only caveat being that the Sony appears to be “closer” to the subject in the crop due to the larger image size.
The video looks great on both, Sony may have a slight edge there in the image it captures, but that’s where it ends in my opinion. The bad ibis and rolling shutter limit what you can achieve with the A7IV to slower and more static shots. Panning is nigh impossible and any little shakes you get show up as wobbly or tilting vertical lines in the A7IV. It just can’t handle action or movement well at all with the 27ms sensor readout speed. The R6II is far better with this with a sensor readout speed that rivals cameras above it’s weight class.
I honestly don’t know, man. It’s a really hard decision between these two. I just spend a year and a half shooting on an A7IV and it wasn’t always enjoyable. I had a few shoots ruined due to the rolling shutter problem, and it’s so settings and tech heavy that it’s difficult to keep up with all the little bits and bobs you have to set to get going. I just switched to the R6II to see what it’s like so I guess I’ll find out in the next year. Wish me luck. Lol.
Good afternoon. Thanks for the reply. How are things going with the Canon R6 m2 right now? can you make a preliminary conclusion and tell me if you like making videos on this camera? Maybe I already like it more than on sony m4. Thanks!
How did it work out?
Sony just loves that magenta cast...
Imagine when canon opens their mount to third party I think everyone will switch to canon simply because of the superior auto focus and ergonomics superb ibis, great screens and awesome native glass. Sony keeps thinking they can pull off minor upgrades between cameras and no firmware updates for older cameras. Not anymore they have a serious competition and canon has done amazing in the last few years to catch up or may be push past Sony.
CANON is KING! 💪
I’ll go with the Canon R6m2
I will buy a camera.. Please nominate one of the two cameras for me
Sony A7IV OR Canon R6 Mark II
Sony A7iv geni.us/l33D3
The r6m2 is such a beast as compared to the sony but due to len selection i eventually went with the sony.
I have an option to get used sony a7iv or new canon r8, or just collect some money for couple months and get new canon r6ii. I like colour of canon more. Had Sony 7rii and canon 5dmark3
I honestly expected a much bigger difference in picture quality for the Sony since it has 33mp. It is not that noticeable at all, I had to pixel peep and really concentrate to see it.
Hi, thanks for sharing!!
I don't have any equipment yet. Which one would you recommend for studio photos, Canon R6 Mark II or Sony A7IV?
Sony a7iv
We really appreciate this video. You made it simple to u demand but very informative and exciting.
yo! I'm using a 5D4 right now. I'm looking for an upgrade and doubting between these 2 camera's. I mainly shoot concerts, artist, partying people in clubs, so mostly low light conditions. For what should I go? I can not decide!
Both are great options. I prefer Sony but that’s because I’ve been shooting with Sony for along time now. But if you want to stay in the canon world the r6mkii is great! They will be very comparable in lowlight but a7iv has slightly more resolution at 33mp
Сравните с Panasonic S5 II
Hi, would it work if I stacked lens adapters? RF - EF. Then EF - Emount.
No. It doesn’t work that way. You can only adapt EF lenses to RF mount or EF lenses to E mount.
@@LeeZavitzI see where I got confused, thanks!
They have different communication interfaces so a Sony E lens wouldn’t work at all on a canon RF mount camera. You can adapt EF lenses to both though.
Would like to see the comparison with the Sony A7R V and the R6 Mark II for photography especially the focus for an amateur photographer.
a7rv should dight R5 instead of r6mii
Thank you! you helped me go towards the Sony a7iv. But do you think they will come out with new cameras this fall? If they do, do you they theyll lower the price of the Sony a7iv?
I don’t think they will coming out with an a7v for at least another year. But I could be wrong
Loved the walk for testing auto focus 😜
Great video. Is the r6ii worth the +$1500 over the r7? As a landscape photographer the AF/video I could care less about.
Neither of those, I have Sony A7RIV and I need rather more than fewer megapixels for Landscape Photography.
It’s a dream for me to get one of these cameras
Both are expensive
I have the original Sony A7 and I am looking forward to get a good Sony camera in the near future maby
What kind of camera mount do you have where you can hold two cameras at once?
lets get a video on the most compact camera to beat the iphone 14 pro. and tips n tricks
Thanku so much sir for this information.. namaste India
Does anyone here facing lens detection and camera freeze issue in A7IV?
Big daddy Zavitz! What do you think has generally better video color/image? I’m considering r8 (same sensor as r6ii) or fx30. 😮
They are all good. Comes down to what you want in ergonomics and lens ecosystem
You get 16mpix from sony and 9.3mpix from canon in apsc mode
9.3 mpix from canon
I know what i will choose for
Did he already do video on Lumix S5 II?
I might be able to borrow one from a friend. But I have no connections with Panasonic so I have to either rent or buy one for review
@@LeeZavitz Take your time. A lot of your videos are good reviews.
Please do, I would love to see a review from someone that didn’t get flown out to Japan and given 10k worth of equipment for free.
Can I shoot on Rec709 in 4.2.2 10 bit in Canon? or just Clog3?
I think you can only shoot 10bit 4.2.2 in clog3 anything else is 8bit from what I remember
I like your frank and unbiased opening lines.👍
R8 ftw
Awesome job. Thanks for the comparison. 🙏🏻
Waiting for sony a7v😊
which camera should you buy to make large prints the canon R6 mark 2 or the Sony A74?
A74 has more mega pixels but I don’t know if it would be super noticeable 33mp vs 24mp
Medium Format lol
Nice review. It’s appreciated.😎👍
Great video! Do you think Sony will push updates or firmware revisions to address a lot of the areas that it underperformed against the r6 or are they too indepth that they'd be corrected/improved on the next model? Thank you!
Probably not. They will just have everything improved and more on the next a7V
@@LeeZavitz any hint of when Sony will release the new a7v?
Thanks for that !!
They are not priced the same
In Canada (where I am from) they are both $3200
What were the lenses you used in the first half of the video for each camera? Thanks.
Both are 24-70
@@LeeZavitz thank you
I think the Sony system makes more sense due to being much more affordable than canon.
Personal preference. VW is more affordable but I still want BMW
@@TomasRamoska lol both systems has their own respective flagships. With current market trend it's all about what you want and what you have. R6ii and 7iv are similarly priced in my region. If you are starting out new it'll be hard on your pockets to take r6ii than a7iv ( it doesn't make sense as well).
@@saidharshini4187 You should not compare the price of the bodies. The body has only very marginal impact on the image, quality lenses are much more important. The Sigma 24-70 F2.8 is 1300 euro cheaper than the Canon RF variant, while both give similar outstanding image quality.
@@Eikenhorst Yeah, similar - but when it matters? I don't know, there's a reason those things cost 1300€ more.
Give it three years both these camera's will go down in price.
ya think? 🤣
@@cpopefly I think yes
Let’s goo 🔥
I just bought the eos R6 ii and iam afraid i made a bad choice 😢 the Ibis wobble is horrible... The lenses are very expensive... The video codecs are very bad (no all-i and log2)...
What do you think?😭
Return it. SInce you seem to be primarily a video shooter, you would benefit far more from the capabilities of the Sony!
I don’t know, dude. The A7IV has some horrific rolling shutter in video, which actually ruined a shoot for me, and the ibis on the Sony does next to nothing, so you need to invest in a gimbal with the A7IV for video no matter what. With the R6ii, the ibis wobble is only visible below 22mm. So if you can manage shooting handheld at or above 22mm, then you have nothing to worry about, but again, you’d have to invest in a gimbal to shoot wider than 22mm on canon to get rid of the wobble(by turning stabilization off). The r6ii’s sensor readout speed is essentially twice as fast as the A7IV, so the tilt you see in video with fast moving subjects or while panning is negligible, but very noticeable on the Sony. Plus the r6ii can shoot sports photos with the electronic shutter at 40fps, while the Sony cannot due to its slow readout speed. Plus 12fps uncompressed raw on the r6ii vs 5fps uncompressed raw on the A7IV.
As for codecs, it depends on what platform you’re shooting for. If it’s youtube or delivering wedding clients a video or something, IPB is totally fine. You will not notice a difference. If you’re shooting a big production then you may want the all i. Remember though, IPB is a compressed format, so when you’re editing it gets decompressed and retains most of the information that you’d get out of all i.
From my experience the r6ii produces a nicer looking image in both photo and video. I had the A7IV for a year and it was a fine camera, but I really like what I’m getting out of the r6ii. More than what I got from the A7IV. To my eyes, everything on the canon just looks neater and more well put together when you pixel peep. When viewing at full width, the Sony’s images always looked so washed out to me, and it has a slight green tint to it. Not enough contrast and you can tell even after editing. This happens because of the great dynamic range of the A7IV. The canon’s colors are just immaculate, so is the contrast. But that’s subjective and it’s what I prefer.
So no, I don’t think you made a bad choice because in the end, the two are strikingly similar in performance. If you tried both you’d probably find the differences negligible as I did.
Muchas gracias
S5Ii 😁
I tried both camera bodys, I my opinion if you need image with more detail and resolution and also you are doing video then you should buy Sony A7IV.
S23 ultra
Its not that Sony improved colors it’s that canon sucks now. The canon feels ten times better in the hand and the AF is better. Touch screen is better. Lee did you really think the Sony AF was better because the canon I could not shake off the Eye AF if I tried.
Yea, From my tests side by side in a bunch of shoots Canon af is not better because they are both awesome
@@LeeZavitz yea I can’t imagine it getting better than that was crazy good. The Sony files and the canon look very similar. Color and everything.
@@sols9449 Canon looks noticeably warmer, Sony more "realistic".
I have all the lens i need in RF EF in almost all the focal lengths, 3rd party lens is not an issue just want the RF 28-70F2 only Canon makes it ... no 3rd party or Sony makes that one. My EF lens focus better on the RF platform w/ the adapter that allows me to have ND/Pol filter, super convenient on the run and gun... so I picked up the R6ii and waiting for the R5ii along with the R1. Sold the Sony A1 with no AI chip before the price bombs and picked up the R3 with awesome specs.. My A7iv is collecting dust and having more fun with the Nikon Z6ii i bought on sale. Maybe i'll wait for the A9iii to see if it will have the AI chip. If you wanted to start today: At today's offerings... all the makers are really good..... they all are fun and great to shoot photos, videos with and all the makers are coming out with awesome focus algorithms (except Nikon), great unique lens....just choose a brand that fits your hand well and enjoy making images... . One serious problem i see is if you travel a lot, you will find some countries don't know, don't sell and don't support Sony.... recently Brazil...have lots of sad Sony users. Anyone sitll have their VAIO with the exploding batteries? i have 2 in the garage still waiting for my replacement batteries. but for traveling the Sony compact body and lens are wonderful to carry around.
X90 pro plus
Not even a competition. A7IV. Beside tech specs, lens selection for Sony is way superior
I love the A7iv and it’s a solid camera but it comes with weaknesses. rolling shutter, cropped 4K 60, and slower burst rate. That’s where the R6mkii has it beat.
your wrong,. availability of 3rd party glass does mean your company has better tech,. FYI,. all sigma lenses blows out all sony GM lenses,. which mean,. SONY LENSE TECH is really a trashed,,. VS sigma lenses,.
and can you tell me can SONY MAKE THEIR OWN 85mm 1.2 GMASTER LENSE??? if their tech is really superior???
does sony have 5.2mm DUAL FISH EYE LENSE?? do they have 28-70mm f2 lense?? do they have EF 50mm 1.0????
Does sony have 200mm 1.8????? does sony have 85mm 1.2???
REALLY??? SONY HAS SUPERIOR WHEN IN COMES TO LENSES???? YES PROBABLY right now because of 3rd glass only,. but it doest mean sony has superiority when it comes to innovations,. they have because they has been more than 10years+ in mirrorless game,. but canon has only 4years in mirrorless world,. and yet canon Beat out sony autofocused system in just a few years,.
@@kenjiyamamoto423relax dude lol
@@kenjiyamamoto423 and then there's someone around with his old DSLR that kicks your ass. How sad.
@@emanueledonazza473 👏👏🤣🤣
Yellow Tint on Canon?
One thing I notice here is just how much sharper the R6 II is, especially at higher ISOs. Seems the R6 II has a weaker AA filter and the A7IV seems to have a lot of noise reduction applied to files making them "mushy". 3:16 is a great example of this... the A7IV has no detail at all in most of the frame.
Yea, possibly, but this difference is almost certainly due to the lens used and how it reacts with the very strong light in the frame. This affects contrast, but with some lenses more so than with others. I don't think it is due to the sensor.
@@Eikenhorst Interesting, so you'd say that the RF lens render more detail than the more affordable Sigma lens? Heard great things about both but I'm primarily shooting low-light and I'd like to invest in the right system.
You forgot to add the battery duration between the two. R6 dies faster than Sony IV
Not in my experience. Had the A7IV for a year and it would rip through batteries quick. Just picked up the r6ii and the battery lasts forever (for shooting photos). If I had to make an educated guess for my experience, it’s probably due to the Sony doing more processing in camera for each photo taken.
Y U NO S5II
Cause this is about real cameras, not toys
I don’t have any connections with Panasonic and I really don’t want to buy one. If I can find someone to lend me one I could make a review with it.
Because the S5-II is 5-10 years behind in autofocus compared to Sony/Canon. They just added PDAF.... in 2023... It's a joke.
@@YaYousef5 Most testing seems to show the S5II focusing is on par with these two cameras. For someone looking to buy a camera right now, why would they care how long it took for Panasonic to add PDAF? So long as it's available now and works well?
@@aldolega Please share your sources for where you're seeing that the S5-II autofocusing is on par with the Sony A7iv and Canon R6 Mark II. Thanks!
Hello! When you het these amazing rec709 luts ? Can you provide a link please ? Thanks !
Pretty sure I used the official canon clog3 to rec709 lut. And just a few tweaks
Canon Nice
You lost me when you said "when it comes to image quality, Im not really gonna spend a ton of time talking about this" ...then why tf do a comparison of the cameras? Image quality affects purchase decisions.
Because the image quality is basically negligible. We are at a time in cameras where image quality has peaked and its about autofocus, lens ecosystem, feel of the camera in your hand, other creature comfort features.
@@LeeZavitz really? Is photography your main profession or making youtube videos? Because serious professionals like myself expect to watch these videos and be educated on the image quality before making a purchase. Better you say, image quality is not that important to you. Smh