Canon R6 Mark II vs Sony A7IV - Which Is The Better Buy?
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- A full comparison between the Canon EOS R6 II and Sony A74. Image quality, low light, noise, dynamic range, slow motion, image stabilization, rolling shutter, features, physical characteristics, usability and recommendations.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS:
0:00 - Intro
1:22 - Image Quality
2:29 - Higher Frame Rates & Slow Motion
5:08 - Dynamic Range
7:08 - Low Light
8:23 - Image Stabilization
10:46 - Rolling Shutter
11:02 - Build Quality & Ergonomics
12:43 - What's The Same
14:02 - What's Different
17:48 - Why The Sony A7IV Is Better
18:17 - Why The Canon R6 II Is Better
18:44 - Which Should You Buy?
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I have nothing against Sony, I just own a lot of canon ef lenses. I’m going with canon.
My heart loves Canon but my head chooses Sony every time. It comes down to lens selection for me. Those third party lenses make the a7iv a much cheaper camera to buy, especially here in Australia where the r6 mark ii body is also $300 dearer than the Sony.
I think a lot of people feel this way. Thanks for sharing!
@@77dris Yours is a possible way of approaching to Canon mirrorless system and I considered It well, but It has some serious downsides. First, you buy old lenses (furthermore not original ones): they will lose their value quickly, bad investment. Second, I love and have all the Sigma art primes but I'm pretty sure that they can't be faster focusing than an RF L glass (there are at least two technical reasons, one is the focusing motor and the other is the fact that they're not optimized for a mirrorless system even if the adapter does well its job). Third, ergonomics that means even size and weight (not only good body) with adapted lenses you'll lose compactness and you don't surely save weight, not to mention that even the RF lenses (pro ones) are going more on the heavier side compared to Sony GM. Fourth, built: comparing R6 to A74, canon doesn't feel as well built as Sony even considering used materials (Canon feels Better in the hand but It feels even cheaper for using more plastic and not having a full weather sealing, not to mention that I personally find their grey color really unattractive and I still don't understand why they didn't go for black). Long story short, you embrace a new system but not at its own full potential.
@@emanueledonazza473 Please stop the bull 💩about Sony cameras being better built than Canon. Canon cameras are built like tanks to last forever. Sony cameras are made in Thailand for a reason. Cheap labor. Sony does have cameras made in Japan but they’re Pro Video cameras made for TV studios. Very expensive. All Canon cameras are made in Japan and follow a much higher quality control than Sony made Thailand cameras. EF glass works just as good on mirrorless system and has a much higher resale value for a reason. Sigma has decent glass and they are now working with Canon to make RF glass. Tamron, Rokinon, Samyang, Tokina, and TTArtisan are basically crap. Best way to find out why third party lenses are crap is find out their resale value. Emanuel your just another Sony fanboy. End of story.
In my place r6mii is 500$ more than a7siii and a7r5, and the same as r5. Build quality is defenitly better in Sony, canon body feels so plastic with its rf plastic lenses... But i like panasonic and Nikon way more
@@warhamburger40k81 if only Nikon cameras were good in autofocusing.. but as a Nikon shooter I'm not convinced by the new Z line lenses for their stepper motors..
I agree with you, and it is very nice to hear an honest and unbiased opinion. Each camera is good in its own way
Glad you enjoyed the comparison. Thanks for watching!
Very thorough. Excellent comparison
Thank you.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Well done Josh, you did an honest analysis without getting carried away by stadium cheering
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video!
This was extremely useful. Thanks man!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Great video, great energy thank you !
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Thanks man very informative video !! ✌️
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Awesome video I’m going for the R6 II this is good to dig deep with the detail of the pixel peep but for real when you do videos, for wedding couples, family get togethers, events people don’t know anything about what we know about this noise and other things the clients just love that what you did looks good and nice to them. And as of now there are talks with canon for 3rd party lenses I think from sigma and with the adapter go back to EF lenses and even the 3rd party EF lenses you do have a big selection with lenses but we do want new 3rd party RF lenses. Again awesome video I’m waiting for my R6II from Bestbuy order.
Thanks! Yup, it's the image at the end of the day that matters.
just want to say super useful video... appreciate it
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!
Great points of consideration when buying cameras particularly matching cameras with folks your working with and also the current system youre invested in. Coming off of Olympus E-M1s way back 2016 I've been longing for Sony A7 full frames but fast forward to 2022 I opted for a Canon R6 just because the team I'm working with shoots Canon and were well invested in Canon L glass. Pixel peeping doesnt make sense to me personally as you can see folks adding noise, grain on videos and slapping presets on stills. The R6 works great with a Ninja V so it provided better video workflow overall in my use case, no overheating with this setup either. Great video as always Josh!
Thanks! I think its important to do some pixel peeping but also go out and shoot in the real world too. Gives you an understanding of the details but also how the image actually looks. We are so lucky to have so many great options right now!
Thank you for the detailed analysis and review Have not decided which one to go with yet My uses are going to be for both indoor and outdoor situations Do like the color science a bit better on the Canon
Hi Josh, these series of the Canon R6ii are great. Thank you 👍🏻🏝🌋📸☕☀️🌊🌴
You're welcome!
Thank you so much Josh for the informative and helpful video, learnt a lot! God bless, good luck and keep creating!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
great work, thank you very much!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Hoping for clog2 and an open RF mount in the future for me to invest in another Canon body for my use cases. Wildlife shooters will be very happy with R6ii. Appreciate all your hard work and perspective
Agreed! I would love to see those two things. I have been very happy with shooting wildlife on the R6 II. Thanks for watching!
New sub - I really enjoy your content. Great stuff and info.
Thanks for the support and for watching!
Outstanding video!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Definitely the best comparison I’ve seen on the internet between these two cameras. Amazing work, bravo. +1 sub!
Thank you for the kind words!
Hey Josh, thanks for the awesome video as always! I'm also enjoying the R6 II currently and A74, but I would say the A74 is the clear winner here looking at it from my perspective and use cases. On paper I really thought the R6 II had the potential to be an A74 killer, but that has been proven to not be the case I would say. However, those Canon colors are so nice outside and the R6 II does seam to be noticeable better for wildlife with the 4k/60p, no overheating issues, way better rolling shutter, and slightly better IBIS. Really looking forward to the R5 Mark II :)
You're welcome Jay! Yeah, both have their pros and cons. Such a tough choice between these two cameras. I like both of them!
" better for wildlife with the 4k/60p, no overheating issues, way better rolling shutter, and slightly better IBIS." So why A7iv?
@@TOPSFANIS I don't shoot wildlife video and I am more a photography user overall so the 4k/60p full frame is not that big of a deal to me. The Sony AF is significantly better for humans in my opinion and Canon is significantly better for wildlife, but humans are what matters to me most. The A74 has a higher resolution sensor which I want for portrait editing and Landscape detail and it has a full size HDMI for when working in the studio with monitors which is nice. In addition, as you can see from Josh's testing, the dynamic range on the A74 is noticeable better than that on the R6m2 so that is the other key feature that matters to me personally. Lastly, the lens selection issue is a gigantic problem still for Canon when compared to Sony. Canon is catching up and making really awesome top quality L lenses, but that process takes a very long time due to the engineering complexities of new optics... The R6M2 is a great camera though don't get me wrong, but we each have a wants and needs that differ and I hope that clears up my comment above for you a little... All the best, Jay
@@Jason_Hermann Thanks, you did it well.
Hi guys, ill tell you my experience but I need a your point of view. I had a A73 (I had sigma 35 1.4 and 105 1.4 , the 105 amazing lens I miss) for two years, shooting portraits and motorcycles. I found something in that camera I didn't like: a lot of shutter lag, slow evf, ofc flash black screen problems. Then I switch to R6, have been a year now, great camera, not sturdy like A73 to hold in the hands but that not a problem. The R6 is so fast, no shutter lag like on DSLR, Evf 120hz perfectly for photograph motorcycles in tracks paired to a 135 f2 and 300 f4 L lenses. But after less than 8000 clicks appears a bubble on the shutter curtain and cost too much to replace it and I want to sell it and get something else (preferably with higher mpx). Miss the fact there's no much good quality native lenses like sigma on Sony. Would love to get the 85 1.4 DG DN. I maybe could get Z8/R3 but that's a lot of money (the Z9/A1 are out of my budget) Or should i just get a R6II, A7IV or something else? I don't know what to do. I even thinked about getting a Nikon D850 instead. No mirrorless problems.
Great Review
Thanks!
Great video !!
Thanks!
It is an amazing test, many thanks. I sold my A7III and i am waiting for my A7IV because of the dynamic range, the sharpness, the less noise, the stabilization, the 10bit and the codec ;) One time in the future i will buy a Canon, but not now.
How is it bro
It is much better as i though. I really love this camera.@@knowwork9
Amazing video. Thanks for detailed review.
I do not care much about crop on 60fps, seems that I'm selling my 15-35mm lens and Eos R and moving to Sony. Can't wait a few more years for fixed ibis
You're welcome! the A74 is a great camera, but for some people the 4K60 crop is a deal breaker. I am super curious to try out the A7R5 with the new IBIS. I'm sure that will make its way into future releases. Thanks for watching!
A great comparison video Josh, thank you for putting it together.
One important point IMO that I have not seen discussed much, if at all, in the review and comparison videos between these two cameras is the fact that a buyer has the option to purchase a used Sony A7IV for quite a bit less than a new Canon R6MKii.
Given that these two cameras are so close and comparable on many aspect the Sony would have the financial advantage over Canon at least for the next few months until R6MKii become available on the used market.
What are your thoughts?
Great point! I totally forgot to mention that and I usually like to talk about used prices too. I think saving a few $100 is probably not as much of the decision as lenses and the other things, but it can definitely be part of it, especially if you only need one or two lenses.
Even if you disregard the used pricing, the A74 is cheaper than the canon and you save literal thousands in lenses. If you are not in the canon system already (the R system) its still a no brainer. Try out the samyang 135 f1.8 and you will never look back.
I had the R6 and an A7iv when the R7 came out and I had to choose which one to sell. I was able to use all three for a short time and I found the front dial, rear wheel and four-way selector and customizations on the A7iv matched up with my R7 more comfortably than the R6 used with the R7. The A7iv also has 33mps instead of 20mps. Now that the R6ii has come out it has more megapixels but I still like the compatibility of my Sony and the R7. I adapt EF lenses like the EF300mm 2.8 L to both of them with great results. Also I especially love the Sony 135mm 1.8 GM and having the A7iv is worth it almost just for that lens.
Which adaptor do you use? Which one do you reckon would be a good adaptor for video functions to adapt an l series lens to Sony a7iv e mount
Catalyst browse on the Sony is very useful
Incredible break down of both of these cameras. Question: I didn't notice if you mentioned how you recorded on the A7IV footage that you put up against the R6 II's images - did you do IPB to IPB or IPB to Sony's ALL-I? If so, does the R6 II take a hit with dynamic range, etc. in comparison to the A7IV because of IPB? And especially the sharpness in IPB vs ALL-I - IPB softness was always my biggest complaint with the 6D MkII, but I know you and I discussed that the 6D MkII seemed to have something else going on to cause that softness. Love the new studio and lighting, and I love all the angles you're incorporating. Videos are looking great!
Thanks Matthew! Great question! For my tests I always shoot in the highest quality the camera can do internally. I usually explain all of the settings and parameters in the individual test videos. I left them out here to keep the video length down. The way I understand it is that IPB vs All-I will only really matter when there is a lot of motion in the frame. All-I records each frame but the IPB doesn't record every frame to save space and then interpolates the frames that are missing. This would cause some artifacting or loss of sharpness with motion (either subject or background). I haven't done a dedicated video on this, but I don't see much of a difference between the two for most things over the past few years. I usually personally shoot in IPB (Long GOP) most of the time to save on space because they look similar to me. I remember the softness on the 6DII, but I think that was from something else, not IPB.
@@Josh_Sattin Thanks, Josh - always learning something new from your camera expertise. 📸🧙🏻♂️
@@matthewTobrien You're welcome Matthew. I've learned a lot from you too!
Hi Josh, thanks for the detailed comparison. I like how you simply renamed the R6 II to R7 a few times^^
I'd like to know whether the High Temperature Shutdown Setting was set to High on the a7iv when it overheated on you? This info will probably influence my buying decision so I hope you're able to answer it. Cheers!
You're welcome. I'm not sure what you are referring to by renaming those cameras. Yes, I had the A74 temp setting to high, screen open and on a tripod. It overheated on me three times in 3 weeks. Some people have never had theirs overheat though.
I'm a Canon guy, but it hurts to see Canon not as professional as Sony when filming in very low light conditions, I have seen how sharp it is in low light, looking forward to get the Sony A7 Mark 4
Excellent work. Thanks. Personally i am disappointed with the R6M2 as I was waiting for it. DR is particularly disappointing
Thanks! Yeah, I really wish the dynamic range was better.
R6mkii also has false colors for exposure. I love this camera.
I've shot with Sony A systems commercially since the original A7s and I recommend any new company to get it simply because of how many videographers are familiar with it and the wide range of affordable lenses available. But good god do I hate their colour science, it's always been a nightmare to grade with that strange greenish purple tinge that makes a person look a little like a zombie. Coming from the Canon 450d from way back, I would pick the R6 with it's beautiful skintones anyday for personal work. Really hope they open up to third party lens options.
You're absolutely right about a camera not being about simply raw specs.
Sony skin tones suck even though they have been better than previous generations.
I wanted to share my recent experience with the R6 Mark II (24-105 F4 Lens Kit) camera that I purchased. Overall, I am generally satisfied with its performance, but there is one specific issue I encountered related to the LCD screen. While using the LCD to compose my shots, I noticed a noticeable delay in the shutter response. For example, when I wanted to capture the moment my son smiles and press the shutter button, the camera would capture the smile a fraction of a second later than intended. Similarly, when attempting to capture the exact moment when someone's eyes open, the camera often captured moments when their eyes were closed instead. This resulted in several photos with such discrepancies when using the LCD screen. Interestingly, we did not experience any similar issues with our Canon RP camera. This situation led me to question whether my R6 Mark II unit might be defective, as it is concerning to receive a brand-new camera with such performance problems. Despite my efforts to find similar issues online, I could not locate anyone else with the same problem, which makes me think that I may have received a faulty unit from Canon. It is disheartening to encounter this issue right out of the box
you can maybe find someone from your area that has it and test it out on their camera
@CristianGilca1337 I actually returned the first one and bought a brandnew one from Canon. The funny thing is the second one has the exact same issue but fortunately I found the solution to fix it. All you have to do is to turn off Image Review (Canon set 2 seconds by default) and that's it. I think this maybe the firmware issue that Canon may need to address it as it's so ridiculous for such an expensive camera to have this kind of issue.
@@pnd2045 Ah, I see. It s nice that you managed to figure it out. And yes, for the price it s crazy that you find such bugs and it would annoy me as well knowing I paid a lot of money to have some dumb random bug. Thank you for sharing this, maybe someone will find it useful. 👍
I intend to purchase both of these camera's one day and the Canon R7 I have a four year plan
Hey Josh. Great vids as usual. Hey I was wandering … have you tried apsc mode at 1080p on the a7iv ?? . Apparently it’s better again. 1 to 1 readout which make the pic clearer. One of you fellow UA-camrs Aussie guy (Jason Morris) did a video on this and it appears to be close to 4K quality. An you try this ? Your opinion would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks! I haven't experimented too much with 1080p on the A74 because I generally just shoot everything in 4K. I am curious about the 1080p60 though since its not cropped.
Thanks
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
The problem is the lack of third party lenses. Tamron and Sigma has some killer lenses on the Sony FE-mount
My Sigma 24-70 F2.8 Art lense is an amazing one and it was 1000 dollar only.
No one should buy an expensive camera just to put cheap glass on it. It should be the other way around. You buy good glass then the camera follows. Sigma has decent glass and they’re now working with Canon to make RF glass. The rest like Tamron, Rokinon, Samyang, Tokina, and TTArtisan are cheap for a reason. The best way to know it sucks is to find out there resale value.
@@Davitor1 Tamron plays in the same league with Sigma. Their whole new product line is great. Excellent sharpness and autofocus performance. I have both Sigma art and GM lenses. But I use Tamron 35-150 2-2.8 80% of the time. This is an outstanding lens. No other manufacturer has made anything like this.
image if Canon imports CLOG 2 in the upcoming R1 and all future professional hybrid cameras after that
That would be great, but I will believe it when I see it.
Which is better for wildlife photography ? Please suggest me.
Great video. Many of the results are for video centric people though. Photographers need to hold out for another review.
Thanks. Yeah, I mainly cover videography on this channel because I personally don't do much photography. I'm sure there are other people out their covering the photo aspects.
@@Josh_Sattin I think the main thing is remember r6 ii photo dynamic range will probably*** be much higher with 14 bit.
Great and painful comparison - because as a Canon shooter I have to say that the image on the Sony looks better. And I really struggle with the noise in Clog3 on the R6ii.
Thanks! Yeah, the A74 does better than the R6II in some ways, but I like them both for different reasons.
Whenever I worry about noise I watch robocop to remind me that even big budget cameras can't fix it
The production value of this video is Bonkers
Thanks Brandon!
I want to buy a new camera, which one do you suggest?
I am still confused between sony a7 iv and Canon R6, which one is best for natural photography 😢??
Thank you for this comprehensive comparison video, Josh. I’ve been considering the R6II as a third Canon body for video work, but after watching some A7IV reviews recently, it has me thinking twice. Other than build quality and uncropped 4K60, the Canon pretty much gets molly-whopped in every other category by the Sony 😂
How so?
@@fredriksvard2603 in no way. No idea what video he was watching
@@shaolin95 all i know is canon ergonomics and colors are pretty good, i'd also assume the ef lens catalogue works pretty well with the 100eur adapter, which means used 16-35/70-200 lenses for like 4-500. The R6II is pricy though, and i can't deal with overheating like on the R6. Speaking of that, An A7IV overheated on me the other day within half an hour of stills and short video clips.
The Sony series makes a lot more sense to me… primarily as a stills photographer. I’ve kind of been running both systems for a while… trying to decide which one to go for 100%.
Thing that kills me though is the Sony bodies and ergonomics which I just don’t enjoy. The Canon’s feel so much better to use - even with so many other specifications stacked against them.
Don't discount how a camera feels and the experience you have interacting with it. Specs aren't everything and really the final image is the most important thing.
Do you think the R6 ii would be a good choice over a a7 iv for sports photo/video? I was thinking sony would be the way to go as the last camera I owned was a A7iii and I loved it for photos. Before that though I shot a Canon 5D iii and loved it as well before the mirrorless revolution. Would you consider either good enough for potential video client work or is something like the A7s iii or Fx3 really the better choice for that? I was originally thinking one of those two but as far as money goes I should really be looking at the a7iv/r6 ii range of price so I can still afford some glass. Photo is my main passion and what Im best at but starting my youtube channel and social media becoming so big since it has really made me start thinking about video more. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! This video was great by the way!
Thanks! Both of these cameras are fantastic hybrid options. The autofocus might be slightly better on the A74 for fast action stuff, but they both have a slow rolling shutter. I would base your decision more off the glass that you need. A7S3 or FX3 are better video cameras than both the A74 and R6II.
Thank you very much for your excellent video and fair comparison. I shoot mostly in wedding ceremonies and I need the quality stability and low temperature of the camera. Which one do you choose for long-term filming?
I like the color tone of the Canon, but the lenses are very expensive, and I'm stuck between the Sony with a lot of lenses and the Canon with the beautiful color.
You're welcome. Canon says the R6 II will not overheat in 24fps. I have had the A7IV overheat in 24fps.
@@Josh_Sattin Thank you for your answer
If you don't mind me asking, what focal length and aperture are you shooting that secondary side angle at? Looks great
Thanks. 40mm and F2.8 on the R7.
Thanks for this. Currently shooting on a Sony a7III and… I’m unsure on what I should move to. I don’t make enough money on this hobby to justify something like the a7rV or the R5 - plus, 61 megapixels is just too high for me - honestly, the forty something the R5 sports is pushing it for me.
So I’m stuck between these two… and I feel more informed and even more stuck after watching this. I think I’m just gonna rent both and go from there.
You're welcome. It can definitely be tough to decide between a lot of the cameras out there. They are all really good! Renting is a great idea!
@@Josh_Sattin thanks Josh! Yeah I’m rapidly approaching that same conclusion. My favorite part of your video was near the end where you mentioned the main reasons why someone might want one over the other.
Hi there, I wonder what did you get for upgrading the A7iii. I'm on the 7iii as well and thinking about the Z8, the R5, or waiting for the R5ii or the A1ii for birds. Cheers
Please suggest one in these two cameras..Please
i know this is mostly for video, but I think something on the Sony side for photos if you're shooting uncompressed RAW it is 6fps.
I think the Canon is the best camera for photography especially for live events given the focus tech and burst rates but the sony always wins when it comes to video barring tbe rolling shutter issue.
Josh, what do You think, is R6mark II better than R7? I know diffrent sensor size etc but still courious of Your opinion
I will be making that comparison soon.
Almost a great comparison, just because you barely touched the autofocus subject.
Also, would be good to shoot not only colour checker boards, but also charts with horizontal and vertical lines, to check the amount of moiré of the cameras.
My guess is that the video in the R6II is softer because has a low pass filter but also that gives you less moiré than the Sony.
Other than that great job as always! Thanks
I stopped comparing autofocus with Sony and Canon cameras because they work great. If I find any issues I will discuss them, as I did in this video. Thanks for watching!
@@Josh_Sattin Fair enough thanks!
@@Josh_Sattin Its better on Canon and its normal compare the AF. The sony lost more photos than canon
Thans you ! i work for Canon so the 40 % i save ... its the difference "" love my R7 and the 100 500mm L Canon for bird photos ..
I think in camera sharpness can be increased on R6 m2 as by default its in middle...
I have the a7iii and cant decide between the r6ii or the new a71V.
Grettings Josh,what is your opinion on lack of Sony Firmware Updates. ? Struggling myself to invest in sony anymore as a filmmaker !?!
It is frustrating and I wish that Sony would change their strategy and listen to their customers. None of these companies are perfect though. I usually recommend buying a camera for what it does now, not for what it might do in the future with potential updates. That being said, I think we should be getting some of these updates to the higher end (and slightly older) Sony camera.
Are you able to confirm, did the dynamic range and noise performance of the R6 II’s sensor drop in comparison to the R6?
Unfortunately I've never owned or used a R6 (first version).
The real question is do I really need all of these options ?
I hate that prores raw is incompatible with resolve. Átomos needs to make their own compressed raw codec :/
Can I use some of my old Canon lens on the Sony? I am upgrading from the Canon t7i. I will use mainly for photos of things and fps not as important as quality of photo.
Get the Sigma MC11 adapter and you'll get 90% of the compatability. You might lose live video af though.
Bought the Canon. Def regret it. Underestimated the lens situation. Will be dropping at a loss before I throw anymore RF money in the 🔥
I am photographer canon user
I wanna upgrade my and switch I like Nikon but the lenses are way so expensive and no tamron or other brands
So I was thinking of Sony a7iv and tamron 28-75 mm and 135 mm samyong
Doesn't the A74 overheat easily?
I have both cameras right now and it’s such a tough call on which one to keep. You really have to pick your poison, especially with stabilization.
I have both as well but I can't stand Sony's colors and ibis. I think Sony GM lenses are better than the RF lenses.
And my A7iv seems to front focus a lot and miss with the eye auto focus.
That’s where my head is at too @@kifley19. The Sony IBIS is terrible and almost non existent. And there’s no way around it with that tiny mount. I’ve been testing quite a bit with wide lenses on Canon and with EIS on, the wobbles are barely even there anymore.
I have a sick kit with my Sony (Sigma 16-28 f/2.8, 24-70 f/2.8 and 85 f/1.4) for basically the same cost of the R6mii and 24-105 f/4 so it’s such a touch call. Just don’t think I can get past how shaky my Sony footage always is.
Yup! Both have their strengths and weaknesses.
I am having a hard time debating whether or not to get the canon R6 Mark II or to get the Sony A7CII. I shoot some portrait photography but lately I have been shooting photo and video of my 12 year olds basketball team. which one would you say is better for this? I currently have a Canon 5D Mark III. I can't really find any review videos comparing the two cameras. Thank you for your help.
The A7CII and A7IV are very similar in terms of their capabilities. The main difference is the A7CII has the newest AF technology and a much smaller body.
Josh, so I am looking to upgrade to the Sony A74 and the 16-35 for shooting real estate, 4K30 it shoots regular but in 4k60 it auto crops/zooms to 52.5mm @35mm on lens? and your saying that crop is more clear then the 4k60 on the r6 2?
You can see those comparisons in this video. Cropped 4K60 is very challenging for real estate unless you use super wide angle APSC lenses.
big disadvantage in A7IV is LCD
For me both cameras are not ready for filmmakers yet. Just vacation cameras... Because rolling shutter on Sony is super unprofessional and lens option on canon (just Canon RF lenses) and not good IBIS for video also just IPB recording makes this thing unprofessional too. Filmmaker will take Sony FX6 / FX3 or Blackmagic 6K PRO or Canon C70, maybe Canon R5C both with EF lenses. Photographer will take Sony A7RV / A1, or Canon R5/3. Canon RF lenses are great, but Sony releasing new lens versions too for example stunning 70-200 GM II… For video I choose Sony, for photo actually does not matter what brand do you use. Maybe for wildlife and sports I will take Canon R3
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The black curtain is actually a black spot on Canon. I can't understand all these purple tints in all Sony cameras starting with the a7iii series.
Were test recordings made in log profiles? Canon have a blurry image in the c-log3 with default clarity, it is necessary to raise the clarity by 2 units.
Yes, I always shoot the R6II in Clog3 and the A74 in Slog3. Both were set to their default sharpness settings, which are all the way down. 0 on the R6II and -7 on the A74. That way they are comparable.
@@Josh_Sattinthink 0 on R6II kills the details with no possibility of return during post-processing
Currently shoot w Sony. But Canon has focus bracket and stacking done in camera + pre-shooting buffer in Raw burst mode ! A7iv has none of these features … :/
yes the sony a7iv has a better dynamic range thanks to the slog3 vs clog3, but it should also be noted that the clog3 is easier to work with. The final rendering whether in slog3 or clog3 will have the same level of contrast… in clog3 we will just lower the blacks less than in slog3, because clog 3 is more contrasted. Better dynamic range helps especially if you do a lot of post work… which is not the case when working with mirrorless cameras.
Regarding the lenses, there are complaints that canon has closed the rf mount, but last year I filmed plenty of weddings with the r5 + tamron 24-70 f2.8 stabilized combo, and found the AF just as good faster than a native rf lens, and the stabilization changes everything. With sony, tamron's f2.8 zooms are not stabilized...and I saw the difference in handheld. Everything is above all a question of which ecosystem we prefer.
a74 to be honest was a mistake from Sony, highly capable camera with very less money 😄😄 I had a chance to get one of the earliest shipments and until now no regressions, never failed, i would still buy 1 more.
didn’t they have focusing issues?
Now that you have both cameras and tested both of them. Lets say you can only pick one camera for your 2023. Which one will you pick and what will be your reasons to pick that?
Haha. You're trying to make me pick a winner! I can't. I own both and will use them for different things. Granted, I am very fortunate to be able to have both. As I discussed in this video, there are tradeoffs with both cameras and neither is perfect. It really depends on what you are using the camera for. My personal needs as a content creator and camera tester are very different from most people.
@@Josh_Sattin it's very hard for me to take decisions as been doing so much research and I like both cameras. I am no professional but I am keen in doing video and content creations. I can afford only one model not both like you. I currently have canon80d thinking to upgrade. Sony I liked low light, custom buttons, high dynamic range. Canon I liked colour science, lcd display resolution, 6k raw output future proof. Now I can't decide. Please help. I have 16 inch mac book pro 2019 Intel with 16 gb ram. I work on final cut Pro. I like to take pics as well. Should I go sony a74 or canon r6 mark 2.
They are both great so pick the one that feels best in the hand and to use. Ergonomics beat everything because if you don’t like using it you won’t want to use it.
@@iainm1594 all these time I was confused between 2 models now the 3rd one has come for more confusion Panasonic s5 mark 2 x
@@Paulsonjc I feel your pain. I have the 70D and a sigma 24 70 2.8 EX DG and a nice Canon Ef 70 200 2.8 L IS USM lens. I want to switch to the Sony a7iv, but that Canon 70 200 is holding me back. That was an expensive lens, which makes me lean to the R6 and might even look at the R5.
I really like Canon, but I am totally invested in Sony. And to be honest, I do not care about 4k60, so the crop of A7iv does not bother me. My complain with Canon would be the low mpx count, because for now I really need a more hybrid camera.
Is rolling shutter also a problem when in 1080p 120 ?
Unfortunately I haven't tested that.
Hey there ! I'm currently trying to decide which system I am going to invest in, coming from a D800. The lens selection is way better on Sony but the color science on Canon is unmatched IMO. I really can't decide but thanks for this very nice review. Cheers from France !
It is always a tough choice. The good thing is that all of these cameras are amazing nowadays. Thanks for watching!
If you shoot RAW/LOG there is no reason to choose based on “color science” since that is all handled in post. Sony is the much better value.
Coming from a 5dmkiv to a canon r6, I dislike the r6 colours with my editing style (film emulation). The skin tones pick up too much reds/oranges in the shadows, and it’s a pain to fix. Just my opinion and experience.
@@RandumbTech I always shoot RAW but the camera calibration (or science) is still ingrained in those files. Even tho, I agree that you can fix it in ppost with RAW files but it's an extra step in the process, including the terrible experience to not like any of your photos to begin with because of that grey-ish green color cast of Sony color calibration.
@@skyiswomb1 Thanks for sharing your experience. I also tend to process my "every day life" photos with film style so I'll try to get some RAW R6 files to try it out. Thanks again. My real dilemna here is the lens combo to begin with. For Sony it's simple : A7iv with Sigma 24-70 2.8. For Canon it's more complicated : I can't affort the canon RF 24-70 and it feels kinda bad to screw on an adapter on a brand new camera. The lack of 3rd party native lenses bugs me a lot :(
Not trolling, genuinely curious. Why is a full HDMI port so important compared to the mini or micro versions that are often there instead?
The micro HDMI is a less secure connection. The cables don't stay in there as well and the port/connectors are easier to break. Full size HDMI is just way more reliable.
@@Josh_Sattin I thought it was likely something like that. If they did change to the full HDMI would they have to drop some of the other connections though?
All of the modern Sony cameras have enough room for a full size HDMI along with everything else.
I just bought R6 Mark2 ,didn't use it yet but I don't want to sell all my canon lens.
get the r6 mk 2 trust me by this one.
It is not very obvious thing to test but R6 II has much sharper video in 1080p crop then in 1080 ff.
It’s interesting. Despite all these technical advantages leaning in a7iv favour I still think the image looks more pleasing out of the R6 mII. Instantly when you cut to that broll the R6 just looks great and the Sony looks good but has a ‘gray veil’ over it that seems to be a Sony thing. I guess people aren’t bothered by it.
Does the Sony have same kind of flip screen as the R6II?
Yes they both have similar style tilty flippy screens.
There are thousands of viewers who are actually interested in R50 or R10 or ZV-e10----- they are mid-level users (UA-cam talking head + small Vlog + family photo + Instagram reel). They need R10 review and comparison with R50--- Lens options---- real-life low light performance. USE in the vlog and compare with A6400. Comparison between XS-20 and R7 will also be interesting, but these are semi-professional (wildlife + second camera + behind the scene + small client project + UA-cam vlog).
You should add ”for recording video” to the name of this video. Almost everything in this video is directed to video makers.
Does your A7IV actually have 2 CF Express type A cards as you said, because you’re not the first reviewer to say that, and I’m starting to think they can’t all be making the same mistake, especially when you’re physically holding the camera and seem to have used it.
The A7IV has a dual slot (CFExpress A and SD) and a SD slot.
I thought when you record in regular raw on the r6ii it shows up as clog 2 in post software???
The R6II doesn't record in raw.
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I will buy a camera.. Please nominate one of the two cameras for me
Sony A7IV OR Canon R6 Mark II
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Great review. I'm a bit lot as to what's the point of comparing Sony vs Canon vs any other brand. It's not like people are going to switch brands left and right on a yearly basis. Once you've invested on a set of lenses, very hard to switch unless you're insanely rich.
Thanks! Some people are trying to decide on which camera system to by in to. Or maybe thinking about going from APSC to Full Frame. These cameras are direct competitors and definitely worth comparing.
I tested both at best buy. For point and shoot ready to print out the box. Canon wins. If youre into the orange browns and michael bay blue out the box. Then sony
what camera and lenses did you film your talking head with?
Canon R5C - RF 15-35 & Canon R7 - RF 24-70
Am i stupid or is this just a comparison of the camera's video capabilities ? Because i saw another video and when they compared the low light for photos the r6m2 had way better performance than the sony
Canon needs a 1.4 primes line up. The 1.8 lenses are trash and the 1.2 are too heavy and not good for video.
I would love to see those mid level lenses!
100%. Canon is butt fumbling this so bad. I’d be fine with a f1.8 prime if it was on par with the Nikon S 1.8 and Sony FE 1.8 and had weather sealing like those.
@@bryanbuff I agree. Their 1.8 primes are a joke compared to Sony, Nikon, and Panasonic which even has a better line up. Stm slow motors in 2023 is unacceptable, no weather sealing, plus they don't even come with a lens hood.
Bought a7m4 several month ago, now when i started to use wireless microphone i found a lot of awfull digital noise. Sony service answered that it's not their problem because Sony haven't any responsibility about non -Sony products. But all wireless microphones are not Sony. It's a pity to buy 2400$ camera and to receive nothing instead of support, as it had to be in this case.
I'll never by Sony again.