New Zealand rugby pundits react to Ireland's win over Springboks in the Rugby World Cup | Breakdown
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- The Breakdown rugby show is back with John Kirwan and Jeff Wilson as they discuss South Africa losing to Ireland in the Rugby World Cup. #Breakdown
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Once again Mills is the only rugby brain present here. JK in love with his own voice as usual…
John's the worst, Andrew Mertins and Sean Fitzpatrick also bottom of the barrel scum...
Wilson is such an eejit. Always states the bloody obvious. And gets paid for it
yep......the butcher's apprentice is someone who seems to have tin-arsed his way through life......
thick as two short planks......
From safa i agree with u 100%
I feel bad for nz rugby supporters if this is the level of punditry when they have one (Mils) who knows going on in world rugby and two just stroke the ego of the good old days.
Mills is the only one in this panel I really appreciate. He certainly has a clear mind and is no muppet. RESPECT!! Mills.
The other two are rattled. Mills don't talk nonsense to show off like Goldie and JK. They must realize they can't talk the AB's into the semi's. But they will have a long time to talk about the AB's weaknesses when the Irish or the French or SA beat them again.
That's taking for granted that the A.B.s will make the quarter finals.
Can't stand Goldie, suprised he can see with his head so far up his on arse.
Mils the most objective in commentary. Wilson and Kirwan seems very emotional in backing the AB's
Kirwan forecast Ireland to beat AllBacks in that series in NZ back in 2022
Especially Wilson!
We don't take note if these $#@!% we let it matters on the field if these pundits are to stupid to realize that the Boks game against the Irishman was a real fake game of what the Boks are capable of then they shouldn't make comments, and with a different referee on the day the score would have been a different story.The Irishman got away with murder just listen to Nick Mallet and wake up.
Great comment, fully agree.
Indeed. Mils is highly rated as a commentator in South Africa. Sadly, the other two are not. Oh, and just as a side: one of the reasons the Oceanians (once known as the All Blacks) is facing an uphill (future) battle is because their three academies (Tonga, Samoa and Fiji) have now gone solo with increasingly spectacular results. The islanders are now finding much more lucrative opportunities in Europe (and in their national teams) and will undoubtedly find New Zealand (and the All Blacks) far less attractive in years to come.
Wait what?
Ireland wasn't tested before the world cup? Did I hear that right?
In the last 2 years, they've beaten France, Australia, South Africa and won the test in New Zealand
Also winning the grandslam at the six nations
How on earth has Ireland not been tested? How can you say that?
Totally agree
He meant like recently in the warm up games and opening pools games
@permertecrackers8419 even then I still disagree
Samoa came at them in horrible conditions, and there in the hardest group in the tournament beating the world champions
I dont think it could have been any harder for Ireland
Maybe he meant that Ireland wasnt tested by getting from Paris airport to Toulon or Marseilles without a tour guide. He surely wasnt talking about the sport of Rugby.
World cup rugby is different. Rankings don't mean shit. Boks have never been ranked 1 coming into the 3 cups they won. Ireland doesn't have a world cup reputation. Only for known as choking under big pressure games , not hating on Ireland but this Boks game was there big test in world cup competition. They did well and now can they advance further than ever ? On paper they are complete team but qtr finals will only tell.
As an Irish rugby fan for 50 years I still do a double take when I hear Ireland being talked of by top rugby countries as the best team in the world. 😮😮
Why
I picked Ireland to win it from the start. From an England fan.
But now you've earned the right to watch them straight in the eye and to enjoy the confrontation.
As a South African I'm happy for Ireland. It's damn good rugby you guys play
@@user-zo4nk4uq7z they'll be watching the semi and finals with ya lol
Ireland are a beast of a side- and the key is the play as a team - All 23 players are in sync with each other - its like a hive mind/ one brain , the decision-making the composure in tight situations. They are well worth their 93 point rating. It will take a monumental effort for a team to beat them.
Get the impression they are a band of brothers.They play for each other and are all invested in the whole..
Ye as a kiwi it scares me, and then theirs fucking france we gotta deal with first we might be fucked
I thought so too until I watched Saturday's game back, they are a bunch of cheaters,they will not survive against AB hope Ben o keefe stays far away from the whistle
@@bradrockl8330go back to bed horse!
@@bradrockl8330pathetic mate .. you lost 3 times in a row to Ireland
As an Irishman, I'm still keeping my hopes in check. We've had good teams in the past and still never made it past the quarters. And any NZ team should be treated with respect. This Irish side does seem to just know how to win though. The atmosphere would be amazing for that game.
Ireland did not have good teams in the past. What Ireland had was overhyped teams with two or three talented players. Irish rugby has been evolving for the last three decades. They fired Gatland because he insisted in playing winning but backwards game. Ireland have insisted on playing ball in hand rugby even when past teams were unable to do it.
Yup. The difference this time round is that if the ABs put us out, it won't be because we choked, but rather because the ABs have rediscovered their mojo
Never THIS good mate.
Can't help but think Ireland are heading for a sucker punch against ABs. They were so pumped up to beat SA they may have got ahead of themselves emotionally.
Or an even worse scenario for them, make the final and lose to boring old England!
@@jimbo1706
NZ are not confident at the moment and there is a good reason for that.
Looking forward to meeting the ABs again and playing a great game. These pundits were crying after Ireland won the test in New Zealand. See you on the pitch.
Southern Hemishphere need to make their own version of the 6 nations including the Island teams, possibly Japan. One game against each country. Winner takes all.
That is what Super Rugby did by creating southern dominance. But NZ and Oz decided they knew better and chased the money by pushing SA out. And now the proof is in the pudding....
i like it
Winner takes all what?
New zealand and Oz can play the island teams and Japan, us saffas are over all your guys shit. We can do an old school tour to new zealand and Australia
Distances mate. Distances. A round trip from Dublin to Paris is 1 560 km. Round trip from Johannesburg to Auckland is 24 376 km. And that is the reason why South African teams always found it hard to win in New Zealand. It is well known (and scientifically proven) that travelling east is faaaaaaaar more taxing than travelling west.
That game between the Boks and Ireland was a 50/50 game that could easily have gone the other way. The top 4 sides are incredibly close to eachother and this will make the Qurterfinals really intense. It's honestly impossible to predict who will win between SA vs France and ABs vs Ireland.
England and even Wales are both still capable of upsetting the top 4 too. Both teams have potential to be alot better than their form coming into the tournament. Could be some surprises yet
That Springboks side would have beaten the ABs for sure. Easily.
The top three sides are Nz is slightly further behind
@@agape777I don't agree with you on that one. The AB did beat the Boks in the battle of the Southern Hemisphere. AB lost to the Boks in the warm up match before the WC. I still feel the AB are more superior and you can only write them off at your own peril. Ireland have to go past the AB to win this WC I feel. Good as they are I still feel the real test is yet to come in the form of the AB.
@@BokgatNZ are the Southern Hemisphere champions by the way.
Good to be seeing you. 🏉🇮🇪
The World Cup brings in so much rugby talk. I'm loving coming to UA-cam every day now and the listening to the SA's, Kiwi, Irish, English pundits and players talking sport and competition.
Typical Irish cheek to too fool themselves that they are stronger in the scrums, it's only cheating by push and pull,, bad reff , and was lucky to get the try , +- 100 mm from dead line 😢😢
Is there a seat for a stinking cheese lover?
Rugby in the professional era still growing in ireland but still behind Gaelic football, hurling and soccer...seems like no matter what ireland do, taking into account their playing pool, these guys struggle to give the team and indeed irfu, the credit they deserve..lesson for irfu, with similar competition player pool wise, is to look at what's happening to the great Australia. Past winners. If it can happen to them it could happen to us. Really important to keep promoting the game here.
Absolute bollocks, Irish soccer is terrible the league is one of the worst in Europe and can’t even get into Europe, Gaelic and hurling is not even a professional sport people don’t do it for a full time job, Rugby and teams like Leinster dominate the European scene at times and is without a doubt the best sport and team we have and have had for years
No it's not absolute bollocks. Rugby is the 4th most popular / played sport in Ireland
@@cabraonropes5622Absolute bollocks? What! In Ireland Rugby does not have the same pulling power as the GAA and soccer, and it n where near as popular.
Soccer is far behind rugby union in Ireland 🇮🇪
@@alandalton7652In quality, yes. But not in participation and fan interest.
The “experts “ here are deluded .South Africa did not take a step backwards they just lost a match .These guys sound desperate .
They may have but it may soot them .... going back to 2019 playing style loading.......
Gibson-Park was unrecognisable there 😂
Ireland are pretty much always kicking to the corner in all tests including 6 nations and not taking the 3 points as JK says. They back themselves to score tries.
Wont work against a good goalkicking team. Aka France.
They beat ireland 3 of their last 4 matches under Galthié
@@antoneverbrighteh yes it will and yes it has as we’ve seen this six nations ..
@@daviiidoff home advantage, Ireland Will go home 👏
@@antoneverbright you guys will choke final against us just you wait and see
@@daviiidoff The Boks will definitely be in the final. The question is who will earn the honour of getting smashed by the Boks in the final, like the "invincible" English who got smashed 32-12 by the Boks in 2019's final.
Kirwin and Wilson are like Waldo and Stattler from the Muppets. ..Thank god for Mills ...a proper balanced view .
Make no mistake, the quarter final with the abs is the ultimate test. Exact same fixture 4 years ago and it was a slaughter. The only enemy Ireland have now is history.
Can they do it? Theyre in damn good hands.
Yes they can do it, I believe they are better and should win it, Ardie is only thing that can stop us.
The real question is are SA better than the ABs. I think at this time they are head and shoulders above the ABs. Based on that Ireland will beat ABs, not by many but definitely more than 5 points. The ONLY thing that will stop Ireland is their mindset of historical failures at QF and personally I think they have put many many past failures to the sword this last 2 years - there is no better year for them to conquer this hurdle. Yes, Ireland will win.
Hello & kind regards from sunny South Africa 🇿🇦 👍👌
Jeff is such a homer. Like hall of fame level homerism.
😂 Sounds correct.
homer or homo?
Yea hea a fkn tool
And pissed off as well that he got all the push back over that famous SA loss. What a doos. He’ll be axed soon finally. At least Justin Marshall saw the sinking ship for what it is
The thing I love most about this World Cup from an Irish perspective is that it’s actually wide open between all pool winners and pool runner ups, this tournament has so many twists and turns in tow, it’s so exciting. Have to say too, no way are Ireland looking past this slick Scotland side.
Nobody believes Scotland will beat Ireland, not even Scotland nor Ireland...deep down you know, your team merely needs to get to the stadium.
After beating the Boks, and with France trying to patch du Pont with putty, Ireland is now the hands-down favourites to win this rwc.
"Think it, Don't jinx it" 😉🤣
@@pepeeeeeeeeeeeeee You really hate that Ireland have become the favourites....not good for the superstitious, is it.
@@vanrensburgarchitecturebim1641 it ain't over til it's over.
@@portna12 anything can happen, but can anyone honestly say, that deep down, they haven't already accepted Ireland as topping the pool, meaning they beat Scotland - with all the talk about them meeting NZ in the quarters, we really can be honest with ourselves.
I think rassie and Jacque was hiding alot of things before the quarter finals. I think their game will change completely when it comes to the quarter finals. Or let's hope so at least.
The boys weren’t really gutted after the game. Rassie always is 5 steps ahead all the time. The Boks will win this overall. Sorry chaps but well done 👍
he would definitely have preffered to face NZ though, it's just hopium on your part to think that they didnt try everything to beat Ireland.. Rassie is great, but don't let the facts mirror a distorted image of that@@TheSoetie
@@lilalife666 Time has shown otherwise! It seemed to us South Africans that we weren't besotted with winning the Irish game because we realize that the RWC is a marathon and going all out in a pool game risks players getting injured or red-carded. There was some suggestions that we would prefer France in the quarter finals. Where things stand now, 3 of the 4 semi-finalists lost a pool game and of the 4 teams that one all their pool games, only one survives. This seems to show that winning all pool games is not the be all and end all.
This show should be thankful for having Mills on it. Respectfully the only voice of reason. The problem with J & J is that their disdain for the Springboks are blinding their judgement and ultimately their credibility amongst rugby lovers.
Its really not that bad
People will generally always just root for their own team and be biased
South African pundits are the same
Its quite interesting to me how different these pundits are with each other compared to other shows like the RugbyPod or Boksoffice.
Very defensive, and attacking, for sure. Shimi, Jean, Schalla...they have a blast doing these shows. Always have a laugh.
And their banter is genuine and hilarious@@MauritzCTuit
Different style. The three have to fight for their jobs every week. The bitch is safe as per usual.
Mils, the legend! love from South Africa 🇿🇦
Competition is the best way of describing Ireland going up a gear at International level.
URC, Champions Cup, Six Nations are all super competitive compared to whats on offer for New Zealand right now.
Also SA are winning on both fronts because they are involved North at club level and South at international level. Its all knowledge
True my friend, true.
The way our springboks play changed alot and for the better since we playing clubrugby in the north for sure, we play exciting fast running rugby now and we are actually better, back at some point we played very boring rugby
"We are good enough.." hahaha. You are a has been good enough mate.
Mils, your observations as classy as your playing days used to be.
What you are forgetting is every Irish Match is a home Match - Thomond Park on Tour
All 32😉
Excellent, open commentary here. Deep thinkers who know the game, see the nuances and discuss these openly.
Not dismissing Scotland in any way, but this Ireland team vs the All Blacks will be a hell of a RWC meeting!
Feel free to dismiss Scotland.
I'm quite nervous about the AB backline - they're very dangerous, no matter who says what.
Ireland go home at the quarter finals. New Zealand going to destroy Ireland.
No one in the Ireland squad is dismissing Scotland. That would be very stupid.
Not dismissing Italy either ;)
All your comments are so interesting!! Thanks for the analysis of the Irish and the South African teams.
That 2 week break for Ireland after the SA game is massive! Think they're too good for Scotland. Can't see why they won't beat NZ. It ain't going well in the overall with Ian Foster. I've no doubt Razor will make a massive difference after the WC.
I think New Zealand rugby will struggle to recover going forward. They are now isolated from global rugby, what Super Rugby offered was tours and strong competition. In 2025 South Africa will leave the Rugby Championship and join the 6 nations. There's no will from South Africa to rejoin the South and we are looking to expand into other markets as our game needs to grow!
Be realistic now, Australia needs to make a real 180 as do Argentina Japan and the islands in order to have a league going forward... we talking a few years and alot of commitment from all parties. Without competition NZ is going nowhere!
@@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb you sure that's going ahead with SA going to the 6 nations!? Ridiculous if so. Was chatting to a few SAffers about it, they didn't agree with it either.
100% agree that the islands and Japan should be forming something. Argentina I'm surprised aren't improving since Los Pumas started up. Australia are backwards for years it seems with the same committee who have 0 forward thinking in terms of development.
@@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lbSad but true.
@@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lbNZ has always been isolated from global rugby. We are just one country less now SA left. Why NZ is in situation it is in now is because the current management has failed in developing our game. Instead of innovating, progressing, and developing our own unique vision of rugby, we have instead based our strategy on reacting to northern hemisphere rugby styles. And when this strategy was seen to not work, we keep using it expecting it to somehow change results. It's as if management are self focused and are trying to save face.
It's a 1 week break not a 2 week break, it's 1 game day off
As a South African I am backing the All Blacks to beat Ireland & Boks to beat France ..... Mils you are pretty accurate with your analogy.... Boks have been there before & will certainly improve. Still think All Blacks are going to peak & be more than ready for the Ireland game. A great final between the All Blacks & the Boks awaits.... this will be too close to call with any confidence! Two Southern hemisphere teams in the final..... mouth watering!!!! If SA Boks don't make the final..... I will definitely will be supporting the All Blacks .......
very fair assessment in my opinion, from an Irish fan
From a Saffa, Mils you are the only one of the fellas who are not emotional and irrational in your analysis. Good on you mate.
Remember when JK said we do t need the South Africans? Look what he is saying now? Since we left super rugby they have collapsed.
South African teams only won three Super Rugby titles since 1996 and last won it in 2009.
NZ's decline is more kids are choosing basketball and rugby league. There was a time when NZ use to win the U20's world cup every year and there was an endless conveyor belt of young talent coming through. They haven't won the U20's world cup for several years. I live in Auckland and our local rugby league team get far bigger crowds than the Blues rugby union team who are also based in Auckland. Former All Blacks coach Steve Hansen even admitted recently that rugby league is far more entertaining than rugby union. There's too much kicking, scrum resets and stoppages in union. I've played rugby league and it's harder than rugby union.
It's the Irish system of play that makes these ex Kiwis look so good.That's what the AB have lost.It's down to the coaching.
Yeah, Aki and Lowe are better players now than when they arrived. Especially Lowe.
@@Dreynoall 3 are so is JGP.
@@RazorMouth I always had him above Luke McGrath. So much was invested in McGrath that they persisted with him to JGP’a detriment for the first few years.
These guys are in denial. The AB’s are very much up against it.
Not denying that but Ireland were meant to beat us last WC and we hammered them ... Ireland should do it though, and to be fair if any team deserves the WC it's them ... Been good for a while now.
As an Irish fan, I remember watching this clip and thinking these pundits were disrespecting both Ireland and South Africa, going on about knock out rugby is different. Two months on, as I revisit this clip, how right they all were. I learned that knock out rugby is different, that the pressure is different. I learned a lot!!!
Congrats NZ for beating us, for getting to the final and showing me that no matter the form a team is in coming into the WC finals, you can never say any team will beat NZ, they are legends of the game!!!!
Goldie and JK remain the most entertaining rugby “analysts” on the net. Keep it up boys.
The Irish will be very hard to beat, they are very tough and know exactly what they are doing.
Classic. NZ pundits only now realising that their domestic competitions like Super Rugby Pacific might not be up to scratch.
As an avid Irish Rugby fan when I see the pressure come on the All Blacks they start looking very ordinary dropping ball wild passes and unnecessary infringement.The Irish seem to be able to adapt and stay cool headed with just about all the players being leaders and then there's the fans.
I guess we will see in the QF wont we.
I must say it was evident to me too - the Irish stayed calm under pressure and that stood them in good stead against my Springbok team!
unnecessary infringement is only when you get caught IRE just got away with lots in the last while even brought back some dirty ruck tricks from 2009 against the boks but well played to them 😂😂
Expect 50,000+ Irish fans at the stadium 👌
It's a home game for us, it will be epic.
Not saying that South Africa aren’t still favourites but they are vulnerable under pressure, we saw that against The All Blacks in Auckland and now the Irish.
Test Matches are won & lost up front and often from the resulting penalties.
Converting that dominance into points is the key.
Richie Mccaw often spoke about it coming down to the team that takes their opportunities being the ones that come out on top.
Just want the best team (of the 4!) to win….until you hear biased pundits…then want them to lose
Lovit they write us off, we love it !!! Sa fan
Looking back on the game could have went either way Ireland did well to win the game
Well both teams left points out there
No the game was always Irelands game. That was a pure tactical game from Ireland. Every time SA raised their game Ireland was always one step ahead.
The right team won that game boks in a better place with that loss. NZ need to "Richie Mcaw" up to see whose the GOAT between them and IRE looking forward to see that QF .... to the dark arts we go 😂😂😂
@@Art-is-craftAnd Ireland could have played better.. Ireland stopped SA from playing better.
@@johnmc3862
SA does that very thing to teams but Ireland turned that type of game back onto SA and there was no real game response from SA.
Bizarre to see New Zealand as the 4th best team. After watching them destroy my England team in ‘95, it’s hard to get my head around. The top 4 can all beat each other though. Let’s see what happens! Exciting world cup!
Australia have two World Cups and look at them. The fall off can happen to anyone.
And suddenly its an England vs Wales final ;)...........would be seriusly funny if the 2 of those top 4 implode in the semi vs England and Wales... obviously doubt it but it s still possible...
@@SignificantWinesif England wore on Irelands side of the pool they would be out already
@@Mark-99999 .... I know, I am essentially laughing at the idea that Wales and England will most likely be the other semi finalists and on the day could even win..... highly unlikely but possible.
@Mark-99999 well said..that is spot on
SA encroached on the Irish lineout multiple times
The Irish also turned that around.
Mistakes on both sides but who has played the perfect game with huge pressure coming from both sides.
There has been some great and exciting matches across the board and I’m looking forward to more 😊
Irish fans are still coming to terms with being no1 but remain very grounded. I make these comments before NZ -Italy & Scotland - Romania play their "should win" group games. You can never write Scotland off (from an Irish perspective). The All Blacks of New Zealand remain the greatest rugby nation in history (from and Irish perspective). I have had a life time of experience to know that the AB squad have the ability to surprise when you least expect it! For now, Irish fans have a new found confidence (not arrogrance) in this Irish team in which every game is a knock out and we know they will play the full 80mins "to win".
I’m a rugby fan. Love the game. I’m not going to say from where I come from because it doesn’t matter. May the best team win, and may the ref do the job right.
Interesting WC. All the Southern Hemisphere sides have tasted defeat at the hands of European sides in their first or second games. Don’t think that has had ever happened before. Looking forward to see how it goes in the knockouts.
As great as the game between us and South Africa was neither team are infallible. France can turn over South Africa even without DuPont and New Zealand could put 30 points on Ireland. Those two quarter finals are gonna be huge because the divide is so small. All 4 teams are at the pinnacle of the sport. The only guarantee now I think is that a World Cup winner will come from pool’s A or B.
nice assessment
R u saying they can beat Ireland by 30 points.
watching from NZ, I can't see AB's putting 30 pts on IRE. This irish team are slick. They are a finely oiled machine.
One of the few more sensible comments...
As and irishman, i agree 100% with wilson and kirwan, knockout rugby is a different animal, new Zealand are going to reach quarter's but as of yet don't know who they're going to be playing, Ireland?? Scotland?? South Africa?? Most likely Scotland or Ireland, South Africa missed some kicks last Saturday night but and nobody mentions this, we butchered 5 lineout throws which 95% of the time leads to tries, Farrell and o connell will sort that out very quickly, we still won the game and we will play alot better, will it be good enough?? Only time will tell.
You make a good point the answer to your question should open your eyes abit more.
@@pazzct😂😂😂
Man, as an Irish man, I've nothing but respect for SH rugby. Lived in Oz for a year and I have fond memories of watching one, Jonah Lomu way back in 2001 against our lads, O'Driscoll, Wood, Hickie et Al,...... However, guys you have to be more science and statistics based in your analysis. I love the passion and belief, but honestly, we beat you guys at home in a test series, something that no team had done in decades, only last year and we also spanked you a couple of times in Dublin. we won a grand slam this year in 6 nations, and also have beaten every other top team convincingly for the last 3 years. Could JK and Wilson not at least stand back and go , wow! for a small nation with rugby as its 3rd sport, that's an amazing achievement and jeez if they do win this, they're fully deserved of it. Ok maybe im biased too, but man, kiwi's are all rugby 🤣🤣
Mils cracked it.....got his own mic and on the start grid....my broer
Jk said O'Keefe was amazing 🤣
Anyone else blown away by the sheer arrogance of Boks fans on social media? They've been telling people for months they were going to beat Ireland by 20 points, now they're saying they wanted to play France all along and that they left 11 points on the field (ignoring that 1 missed penalty led to their try and that Ireland essentially left points on the field with those 6 lineouts they fluffed). But why would you care about the missed penalties if the plan was to play France all long anyway?
I still think SA could win it, but I'll be cheering on their opponents because you guys are such bad losers (and winners).
*Me, literally scrolling through dozens of posts of Saffas congratulating the Irish on a great game*
@@StephanDallaPriago onto the RWC videos. SA comments are pretty mind-blowing, zero class or respect and pure arrogance
It's only a small amount like NZ fans. Most fans are okay.
@@Irish-Gael-sg4lvThe fact some are claiming they threw the game on purpose just shows how little respect they have for Ireland, let's be fair their own team aswell, they are basically calling themselves cheaters but it's better to be a cheater than a loser in their illogical minds
So they think France at home will be easy! Ok, can’t wait for that game. By the way if France happened to win, I should expect SA fans to post countless videos about the unfair referring 😂😂😂😂😂 they are so so so good surely if they lose it can’t be because their opponent was better.😂😂😂
Did I miss the New Zealand v Italy game? Or the France Italy game for that matter ??
I loved John Kirwan in Up.
Over the last two years in the north there has been a decidedly big shift away from kicking points and more kicks to the corner.
That wingers try, was so close to the dead ball line.
Did they look at that
I love how everyone has written Italy off. The All Blacks are counting their chickens before theyve hatched here
Good insightful comments
I can see why NZ pundits want Wayne Barnes. Ever since Barnes very poor performance in 2007 1/4 final game against France, Barnes has been played by the All Blacks and hes awarding more penalties for NZ than any other ref and the opposite can be said for Ireland. On average hes awarded 2 more penalties than any referee per game against Ireland against any nation. Not hard see why they would want that ref. Complete joke if both sides get out of group and hes chosen
It'll be interesting to see if Ireland can handle the big match temperament of RWC quarters and semis?
Go NZ from SA! (I really hope WE see you in the final!)
Next round ..... Ireland vs All Blacks & SA Boks vs France ...... predict an SA Boks vs All Blacks final ...... just my humble opinion....
@@victoroakes2261 Not impossible!
Maybe the southern hemisphere sides should do there own 6 nations style league/tournament have New Zealand, Australia, Tonga, Fiji, Samoa with either Argentina/ South Africa/ Japan. Maybe this format style might strengthen those teams more to rival the northern hemisphere side’s dominance over the southern sides. Might be better than rugby championship & get more viewers
NZ - 3 world cups. South Africa 3 world cups. Australia - 2 world cups. England - 1 world cup. The North are not dominating the South. The south have dominanted for 8 of the last 9 world cups. Maybe this year is just another year like the one when England won it. 😂
Even England’s sole win was not anything dominant by the north. The south have always had only three teams all of which fired. The way I see it one of the three are not firing atm and the pools aren’t over yet. Don’t count your chickens son
This has not aged well at all. Within 2 weeks things have changed significantly.
NZ are being wrote off. They are very capable of playing our Ireland team off the field in that 1/4 final. They will be delighted that all the fuss is over SA, Ireland and France
There's 4 teams that are evenly matched for the World Cup title - Ireland, France, South Africa & New Zealand - It is very hard to call it.
Liked the discussion about NZers playing overseas and how they have become better players. JK was right on the money, it all comes down to the fact they are playing in a better competitive environment.
Players like Aki as an example dont get a chance to rise to the top in NZ. Fringe Super Rugby players are often targeted by NH clubs and are left with a choice of chasing the dream of an AB jersey or heading north for far better money. With that also comes more playing time at a very competitive level which eventually makes them into better players. Pretty easy choice for a bloke in his early 20s from a humble background.
Unless NZR can offer more money to these players and set them up financially for the future the liklihood of this ever changing is next to nothing.
Eventually NZR will have to consider changing their stance on selection of foreign based players but thats opening a can of worms in itself.
@@jesseferguson4269 Yes I don't disagree with your analysis. I am of the opinion that Gibson-Park, Lowe and Aki in particular would all be part of the AB squad now but their potential wasn't recognised before they went North. I think your point about selecting foreign based players is very valid as the trend of fringe players heading offshore will likely increase.
Two very humble All Black fans and an objective Mils keeping it real...
Thought Kirsty was gonna get fired there for a second 0:58 😂
Mills is the brain in this whole panel.JK and JW forgot that they still need to play Italy
Jeff, your insight in the last 12 months has diminished in quality. You said it yourself, the reason why there are less tries in the tight games is because of the immense pressure.
Our biggest problem is our discipline
As a neutral I agree that the Ireland v SA game was a step back for SA - it took the shine off their recent dominant performances, and showed that, under pressure, and against a side that matched them in every aspect of the game, including the 7-1 nuke squad, there was no other secret sauce for them to turn to. While it certainly isn't a case of the Emperor not having _any_ clothes, it _was_ a case of showing that the Emperor's clothes aren't quite as fancy as he would have you believe. Knowing your opponent isn't invincible is a lot better than fearing that they are.
I can't agree that it was a step back...not saying you are wrong though because thats obviously just my opinion. That was very very poor game management which the coaches will wear, which they will know what needed to be different, and because blame largely lies with them, I don't think it really knocks the player confidence, not against a team such as Ireland. I have always thought there is less margin for error in the SA game plan/style so the message is not that the style doesn't work, it's that it needs to be better executed and managed. If it comes off I would back a win, if even slightly off its not impossible we get hammered.
Claiming you're a neutral when you clearly aren't lol
Not really a step back for SA IMO, I think anyone would rather play the home team in the quarters rather than in the finals which seems to be the path for the Springboks.
Keep in mind the only difference in the game was the kicking so SA won't be down at all, only in the little story in your head :)
The Irish played the ref really well. They milked the ruck penalties both attacking and defensive. Not blaming the ref just saying the Irish managed him better than SA. That built pressure on SA and they made some poor calls to go for posts when they should have been going for line outs and keeping the pressure on Ireland.
@@pauljansen6650that’s not correct, Paul, Ireland uncharacteristically missed their first 6 line outs in that game, several of which were near the SA line and, in the normal course, result in Ireland getting over the line. In the same way SA kicking misfired, the Irish line out misfired. If Ireland correct the line out (which they likely will), SA fixing it’s kicking does not automatically put SA out in front. Ireland left points on the pitch in the same way SA did, if not more. Will be interesting to see what extent the required fixes are achieved.
@@damienbyrne8255 I agree the Irish line out was a surprise but lineouts don't mean points whereas conversions/penalties usually get you a certain number of points depending on your accuracy.
I can guarantee you that you get a higher % of points from kicks than from lineouts
“I don’t think that (a loss) worries them (SA) very much” - no truer words spoken. We (Boks) might not go all the way, but they will use this loss to inspire them, but I don’t know whether a loss would have done the same for Ireland.
Lost 1st test to NZ and come back stronger won the series. Lost a game in 6 nations to France came back next year and won the grandslam. 28 wins from 30 tells you all you need to know about this ireland sides mentality.
@@colingibson5966 It's different at a RWC though mate. Knowing their history, Ireland will begin to feel the pressure of the 1/4 finals coming. While they will certainly be determined to change their record, the thought will still be there as a slight distraction. Not writing them off at all, just pointing out the obvious.
I think you’re right. The recent scars from La Rochelle/Leinster may have reopened. For that reason I think Ireland winning this game could have an equally inspiring effect on them as a team.
Its not so much the loss, its the tactical work arounds that clearly failed boks now need to decide do they persist or go backwards to the old game.... in otherwards they kind of forced into a corner abit.
Ben O Keefe was amazing 😂😂 ..bot many tests that last only 79 mins ..proverbially speaking . Great performance mate.
South Africa should never have gotten away with the constant encroachment at line out.
Two world class Englishmen will have say in this World Cup. 1. Wayne Barns 2. Andy Farrell
For shure Wayne Barnes makes me nervous you know the history with Rassie def wont be any help to boks.
One of them with an Irish name and strong irish roots.
I haven't heard anything from this panel that will shake up Ireland
Old mate Jeff Wilson was such a good looking bloke many years ago
So satisfying watching this knowing we just won our 4 WC🇿🇦
Well said, Jeff. A 'positioning' game.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 . Positioning .. missionary maybe
Correct about the competition. Munster ( Irelands best team ) play a lot of high level European games throughout the year as well as the 6 nations tournament for most of their players.
Kiwi fans are a pleasure to listen to. Always gracious in defeat and just humble people in general. Ive been to many countries and im yet to meet people as down to earth, humble and just easy to get on with than the NZ people. Great people. Best of luck for the rest of the world cup. From an Irish fan. ☘️ 🤝
@8:00 tougher tournament competition is essential. But team cohesion appears to be the magic stuff (according to data analytics). The AB's need to build a team from players who play with each other almost every week. That can be done with combos in the forwards and backs, but that also starts with fewer top tier franchises. NZ should have three SupR teams, a North, Central and South. then cohesion centres of units of key positions from each franchise... or something like this together with similar cohesion in youth development. Gone are the days when we can hope to be world No.1 by assembling a team of talented superstars and hope they gel together.
But still dominated by Christchurch and maybe one other with the rest fighting for scraps. Always a nucleus. Sa to a lesser extent back then and Aus a bit further behind. Ie Brumbies Tahs and reds at different periods.
England was the best team in the rugby world cup in 2019, SA 🇿🇦 won the final
Ireland are very like the ABs in 2015 - almost a complete squad.
Easy now, no one is like the ABs of that era.
Big match for South Africa 🇿🇦 vs Tonga 🇹🇴
I think this rugby world 🌎 cup is amazing
"6 nations is about taking your 3 points". Jebus that's so wrong it's laughable! Ireland kick to corner on almost every chance they have, knowing their lineout maul and/or set moves can be so effective for 7 points. They even did this 3 times in the SA match, eventho' they came away with nothing. That said, the key to this Irish team (which none of the boys in this analysis mentioned) is their pure accuracy. They are drilled to almost perfection. And the greatest compliment I can give to NZ is that we learned this from you over the years, and we've taken it a step further. I'm not dismissing NZ in the expected QF, I know you guys will give us a game, but this Ireland team is the best I've personally seen in over 50 years of watching Irish teams. It would be a massive win if you boys beat us. Good luck tho. 😉
100% But it was poor decision making IMHO Ireland didn't kick for points when the line out wasn't working.
@@johnmc3862 No arguments there. I was screaming at the tv "TAKE THE 3 POINTS!". But it's a tactic that has worked well over the last 18 months or so. The problem this time being the superb defensive SA line-out, even if they were getting away with closing. 😉
Can’t believe Ireland is even considered in the same league as NZ and SA. We’ve always underperformed in Rugby World Cups never gotten past the quarterfinals. And now we have bloody NZ next, very tough draw for us 😢
Mills is absolutely on the money. The boks are not fazed by the Ireland game at all. This game was not a knockout at all. Next time they meet will be a different story
World cups in rugby do not work like that. SA threw every thing the had at Ireland but found that Ireland was a step ahead every time. Rugby is not an easy game to just change on the fly.
Either will Ireland. Ireland will be confident against them again. Ireland have a massive unbeaten run because they keep improving and learn from theor own own shortcomings.
@@johnmc3862 SA ran you very close, actually too close for comfort because next time will be different and the same can be said of the ABs. Some pundits have said you not unbeatable. All top teams took note of that game and now know what needs to be done in order to beat you. Rassie and co knew they did not need to win that game and almost used it as a practise run to see exactly where they need to sharpen up. There are 2 teams that can and will beat you SA and NEW ZEALAND.
@@waynerockman1242
SA never looked like beating Ireland. SA simply had game plan or method to over come the pressure game of Ireland.
@@waynerockman1242 Used it as a practice run.?🤣🤣🤣
Respect to Mils for his objective opinion.JW and JK werent as good as they think.
Im surprised to hear Mils saying that the Northern countries are making better players out of the Kiwi talent that they have gained. That bodes well for us and is ominous for the ABs.
Kiwis have been coaching these Northern Hemisphere side teams for decades now, and now it’s our talent that’s headed there. How much Irish blood needs to be running in these players viens to play for them if they weren’t born there? Feels to me like the system is broken on a number of levels
Mills is the most rational here. Also, Luke Pearce is the best ref in the world by a long shot. We have to be real
Irish sysem has been in development for 10yrs..south sea players mentioned were absorbed,.moulded and fulfilled their potential in this system. granted 6 nations and European cup helped channel their development but it wasn't the seed...
SIR: " we are good enough" hahahahaha