How Hyperspace Tracking Works in Star Wars
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- Опубліковано 9 січ 2018
- When a ship jumps in to hyperspace it doesn't necessarily mean they've escaped, there are a few different ways an enemy can track someone through hyperspace. We'll also be looking at Star Wars Episode VIII The Last Jedi's new version of hyperspace tracking.
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And if you take a shot in your hyperdrive, don't stop on a dusty planet
why not? if its a sand planet, chances are high that you would find a powerful force sensetive who one day will decide the fate of the galaxie. It happend 3 times already.
Mengs Teldarim So the odds are there's a force sensitive in central Australia.
casbott or in the middle of Sahara...
Wait, that mean that Tatoowine really exist?!
Parisianphotographer *Tatooine
Wait, what if Snoke actually felt where Leia was and so was able to track their fleet?
I mean, look at what he could do with Rey and Kylo
Hux was the one to bring up that "We have them tied at the end of string."
Snoke appears amused and surprised when Hux brings this up to him in the film.
Arthur Sauls yes i did please our leader
The messing with hyperspace has created some deep set and troubling implications for the entire franchise. There were 2 sides to this problem; first the empire can now track people without effort. You can’t hide in hyperspace. Secondly we were introduced to the concept of engaging hyperspace to destroy enemy ships. In summary they have now weaponised hyperspace and the consequences are enormous. You now no longer need to try and find the rebellion, you already know where they are. This fact would stop any rebellion ever forming in the first place. Hiding allows space and time for a smaller antagonist to plan moves against a larger foe. It’s the bread and butter of the original films. Secondly we now have no need for any fighters of any kind to take on the empire or first order, just strap a hyperdrive to a dead ship or asteroid and point at the Death Star. They have managed to undermine their own plot devices to sevice a lazy script idea.
Is there some sort of hyperspace I can use to escape school when it begins in 2 weeks? I don't want this 6 week holiday to end
KingCodester111 6 weeks?! My school only gave us 2 week So!!!
Doggy Mods mine too...
Mine was 8 weeks
I only got three weeks. Were you affected by the Fires in California? They didnt reach me.
I live in Australia so my holidays are different to yours
I love your humour. The last little bit with the frame of Thrawn and his "pets" was great.
The resistance got tracked so hard they tore Snoke’s ship in half!
Technically it was only like a quarter of it, the ship still is functional since all she did was destroy a minor wing portion
Lame tech.. still easy to fool if you make 2 or 3 really short jumps in different directions in succession (each jump can be longer) you'll avoid being 'tracked' .. this isn't a tracker.. it is, as you said, a guesser...
In "Star Wars Rebels" Ghost crew does that, however such maneuver burns a lot of fuel. Basically, while it works, it is inconvenient and expensive
yea it is limited, although sometimes we underestimated how few mapped out hyperspace lanes are in each system
Generation Tech So not as versatile or useful for exploration as warp drive ......
*Cough cough...gah....gurgling sound.
[*gets Force choked]
Welp.
And the hyperspace tracking computer on the Supremacy was in a hyperspace bubble
Tom McDaniel Which apparently enabled the Supremacy to be hyperspace rammed, or purple hair just invented the most game changing tatic on the fly (there's a debate over whether hyperspace ramming works on any ship or the tracker made it vulnerable). So it's probably better to fit it on a corvette that flys nearby.
For the *EMPIRE!!!*
storm trooper lieutenant for the *first order!!!*
I did enjoy this video sir. I was very curious how the last Jedi happened
Intridictor cruisers prevent them from entering hyperspace in the first place ;)
yeah that would be handing especially given ramming shit in real space well going ftl is apparently a thing it sure would be handy if mega ship could stop people from one shoting it.
4:51 No they will just create some anti-tracking thing micguffin micguffin....
Sweet video.
Real size of Babylon 5 starships.
3:25 i never locked my ears and eyes so hard
cronau Radiation has existed in the expanded universe for quite some time. this allows a ship with the proper sensors to detect the radiation given off during an entry into or out of hyperspace. this allows for early detection and tracking the destination of a single hyperspace jump. so chasing them is important and making more than one jump is important to shake pursuers. of course this can be done by multiple ships and thus taking out a single ship won't allow you to escape. in fact you can have probes that relay data to a computer offsite in order to track a ship, making it far better than the last jedi's tracking system. though maybe their system allowed tracking through multiple jumps.
Live in Russia. Want myself a "Humanity first" t-shirt. Sad.
At least you don't got a clown man baby leader like in merica
Владимир Кузнецов no My Friend u need a slav first t shirt
Aaron Formanekgibson Wow, sounds racist. And stereotypical about me. I think all humans are equally cool and cooler than aliens. That's what "humanity first" is about.
Владимир Кузнецов greetings from both norway and Pakistan
So you're anti Archon then?
Woop woop. New vid ! Early too. Love the videos
Who TF is Bubba Fet?
I was about to correct your pronunciation of "Tantive" but I looked it up and it turns out you're actually right.
Everything I once knew is a lie.
The most sensible thing to do in TLJ would be to connect the hyperspace tracker with the weaponisation of the hyperdrive. The theory goes that Holdo was able to target the FO ship precisely because it had the tracker on board. This would allow the restriction of both using the hyperdrive as a weapon and of being able to track. Unfortunately, for this theory to be true it would mean that the tracker is more than a big probability machine.
Can you make an everything right/wrong with crait
@2:54 shouldn't Vader's cloak be blowing outward due to the gas escaping from his ship to space, rather than the gas being expelled from the escaping ship blowing against him?
There's probably an airlock system, the area of the ship where that door is is probably not under pressure.
Hi Allen, "backup hyperdrive"? Where did you get that info from? I always thought that the Falcon used sublight speed to reach Bespin.
Consider that it takes a month for spacecraft to reach Mars from Earth, it would have to be a backup hyperdrive of some description.
You are thinking, logically of course, but this is Star Wars, i just wanna know if that info is written in anywhere, because, otherwise is speculation. If there is any source material that I've missed please tell me =) Thanks
It's the likeliest explanation. And may have been a month long trip.
I love you allen!
That's pretty gay.
If Thrawn and the Ysalimiri show up in ep. IX, I will be so happy
As would a lot of fans (including me). But honestly - how should that work? The Republic is shattered (seem they did realy do a mess in the 30 years after the death of Palpy if the collaps so easy) and what is left from the Resistance has place on the Falcon. You do not need a Mastermind commander to beat them - just a able commander how is not SO dumb as the FO acts until now.
It would a twist if the resistance allied themself with imperial remnants outside the FO and/or the Chiss. Although I guess Thrawn would have a very low opinion of all of them. May it be the FO with their constant waste of ressources and giant ships (and their stupid leaders - I mean Hux is surely far inferior to men like Pellaeon etc. or women like Sloane), as towards the resistance with their inability to form a realy strong fleet (they never seem to muster more than a few ships and a small number of fighters, at least we see nothing like that) and the New Republic who crushes so easy. It would be funny if the Chiss and Imperials would in the end take over from both the FO (deposing Kylo with help of the Ysalimiri) AND the Republic/Resistance (after both have weakened them in their stupid actions) - but did you think we will ever see a likeable Imperial/Imperial ally in this films? Sadly I think it is not very likely
yea the problem with thrawn is he's so brilliant its always ridiculous when he loses
Well, he is never perfect and I think some of his failures are good explained (at least in the books like in the battle at the end of Heir of the Empire, where he shows real leadership in safe his men and ressources by ordering a planned retreat - what rarely happen in Star Wars, mostly it is defeat or desperate escape). In rebels I think this giant force-creature was a little bit deus ex machina, but after all he destroyed 85 percent of the rebel scum in that battle.
The main problem I think would be that they could hardly introduce such a major character in the last film without leaving many people with a lot of questions - beside use him in the last part to clear the field for the future films. Bring him in as a antagoinist (or difficult ally) just for the last out of three films would be a kind of waste if you could not build up on it. Hm, did I say that I am a huge fan of him (as of his second in command in legends, Pellaeon)?
Honestly, I'd be willing to have a sub part story as long as he's realized on screen and Lars Mikkelsen voices him. I really don't care for rebels, but I watch it anyway because seeing a character realized so brilliantly do anything makes me giddy
can you make a video about how luke uses the force to create a 3d image of him during the battle with kylo renon crait
We talked about it here ua-cam.com/video/-sAwA0A1K0Q/v-deo.html
Its called a force hologram its been used before by a sith attacking courscant
Its star wars, its Space Fantasy, thers tons of magical ways to track ships through hyperspace. there are even hyperspace tracking stations. Unless your protected by plot armor of course you can be tracked.
Uh guys, hyperspace tracking existed in Return of the Jedi. When the rebels enter the imperial bunker on Endor and start setting charges, Leia looks at a large wall monitor and says to Han, "Han, hurry. The fleet will be here any minute." You can clearly see on the monitor the rebel fleet advancing toward Endor and the 2nd Death Star while still in hyperspace.
I believe the new guidebook says that the hyperspace tracker on the Supremacy works by having the computer systems be inside a localized hyperspace bubble. So yeah, it is basically a giant scaled up quantum computer/probability machine. If this was Trek, there would have been 30 seconds of technobabble explaining it LOL.
Vader tracked Leia via a radiation leak? That's better than some of convoluted plot twist methods some legends writer would have devised.
wow
So it’s a guesser, probably fooled by a few quick, random jumps if the pursuer doesn’t keep up. But lo and behold, it guessed right just once, just enough to convince the Resistance that jumping again was useless. Actually kind of clever/convenient; perhaps it managed to pull up a file on the old resistance base (that the First Order may not have noticed as the computer ran, or just ignored because who needs ski speeders) and jumped nearby.
Doesn’t explain managing to pull up DIRECTLY behind the Resistance, but movie has to movie. Good enough explanation for me.
wait what...?? Why is this unlisted?
What is that at 3:35? Looks like a Star Wars RTS game.
XP-8 TIM a No. It's the Force Unleashed game, it's a good game, and it's the part of the legends continuity, it tells how the rebellion was created, at least in legends.
Allen I agree humans first
Human power
#MakeCoruscantHumanAgain
Ok I said I agreed with Allen please don't take it to far
Destiny:2 Lore topic Ok
I remember the time, I hab an Ysalamiri (it was a part of the Thrawn action figure, from the EU-line, along wth Kyle Kartan, Mara Jade, the Clone Emperor, and a Dark Side Luke).
B.t.w.: shouldn't Hyperspace-Tracking be possible since the days of the Hyoperspace-Wars (legends)? I mean, during these "wars", certain hyperspace-routes were shut off. Why was this not pursued by the empire?
Could we make an arc 170 with the modern technology we have
So why is only one ship at a time able to track? The guessing computer is on multiple FO ships since if they blow up one, they'll track from another. But if tracking is mainly observing trajectory, I don't see how multiple ships can't track simultaneously.
Nah precursors first!
Lord Vader...
your comments are in every UA-cam video on star wars stop commenting!
Me or Lord Vader??
that one storm trooper on the death star, lord Vader
I mean he has the rights
You could have a mole on the inside and have them tell you when they exit hyperspace
we had those to I think theye were in the rebels show and way smaller thanks to the grand inquisitor #imperialnumber1
If I'm generation tech, I would like 10% of the profits made.
Allen should do a new comparison video on star wars hyper space drive. And the hyper space lanes. And the star trek trans warp. And trans warp lanes.
I love you allen!
If Rose and Finn can escape hyperspace tracking why didn't the resistance just send a bunch of shuttles to get more fuel?
Nah. Sangheili first
TheT7770ify do you mean covenant first?
No. Just the elites.
TheT7770ify yes
It's split jaws. If you're going to be racist at least use the right racism
Well not some xeno. The xeno who irradiated 30% of all of humanity
When I saw the Noghri in Rebels I almost cried due to Thrawn dying to him in legends. Whose with me?
you know because i read the new jedi order first i thought about Leia and Han's Noghri body guards
Yeah, theres a three books series that I read recently, it's really good, but can't think of the name...
Hopefully not Dark Nest?!
4:52 What?
I feel like hyperspace tracking without some kind of beacon is too OP. It's too perfect a solution to finding an enemy.
*>inb4 someone says that The Last Jedi sucks*
The garbage Jedi is garbage
My mom got a dwi on scarif
What does he mean by finding a way to block Jedi from using the force and a picture of Thrawn. What's do they have in common?
Energo17 Well in legends, Thrawn have a ysmilir ( I don't know if it's the correct spelling) on his side, a creature that is strong in the Force, so strong, in fact that they can made force-immune bubbles that is about 10 meters in diameter.
While playing with timespace to accelerate yer computers is a cool trick, to be honest I am unsatisfied by explanation behind the "tracker" given. it would be imo much better if it was factuall active sensive sensor array advanced enought to detect objects in ftl.
That way it would have much more strategical value and would actually seem as legitimate device....
What about trackbots? They can follow a ship through hypergiant.
See, if they actually elaborated on that in The Last Jedi, I would have liked the movie more.
A blaster bolt able to go through plot armor?
They didn't the empire just blow up Yavin (the gas giant)? It would take the planet too wouldn't it?
Destroying gas giant requires several orders of magnitude more energy than destroying normal planet
Assuming that gas giants are proto stars (some theory about Jupiter, also the second book in the space odyssey series), you could just ignite a series of points in the lower/upper atmosphere of the planet that would cause chain reactions similar to the way a nuclear weapon goes off (at the atomic level). It wouldn't take much, single reactor ignition would suffice.
Why didn't they send the imperial fleet along to escort the Death Star? They could've surrounded the base and zapped em from space while the Death Star got in position
LashingMrX01 because the first Death Star had a 24h cooldown time, if they had Done that they would have t wait 24h to shoot again.
Test Test that's only with all reactors I think, isn't it? The destructive power equial to that of the destruction of Jedha City, which was a single reactor ignition. The 24 hour cooldown only applys to shots capable of totally obliterating planets, which use all available power?
Hello There.
Sounds like Alan is speaking from experience what are you not telling us Alan
I think smoke tracked them, not any device.
There is not a point to creating hyperspace tracking though if they can't escape to begin with. Gravity Well projectors were already possessed by the Empire so the New Order obviously would have access. Not to mention, how practical is it to have the technology at all if it takes something larger than a Super Class Star Destroyer to house and power the device? Yeah and those were 8 kilometers long but the tech needs something bigger. Compare that to an Interdictor cruiser that is what roughly half the size of a Star Destroyer and has 4 gravity well projectors. The tracker isn't viable if you can only use it in one conflict out of hundreds or thousands. Given that it takes a project almost on scale with the Death Star to build a cruiser like Snoke's, it would be more beneficial to have a toned down/more mobile superlaser installed instead and standard ships of the line equipped with gravity well generators.
Yssalamaders yeah those are evil
What about this tracting with this 'thing' that Leia and Rey had in TLJ? Finn and Rose found out why the resistance fleet was tracted from the first order from Hyperspace
It's basically homing beacon bracelets that tell you where the other is at all times.
Joel and the first order also has a similar thing in snokes ship and that's why the could track the resistance fleet. That's how I understood it
Not quite, the two bracelets were a binary system- i.e. they only detected each other. What the First Order was using was another system tracking the ships themselves, just they kinda explained the whole thing poorly. If it was the bracelets the FO was tracking, someone would have remarked "That bracelet/signal we were tracking just jumped off-ship! Should we send someone to go follow it?" or something to that nature.
AGrumpyPanda ok thanks (indeed a poor explanation in the film)
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Wait how can Vader create a Force bond with his meditation sphere when the sphere is technology and technology isn’t living so therefore the Force can’t connect the sphere to Vader!
Victor Peterson Something doesn't have to be alive to be bonded to, though I'd imagine that it would be easier. There were multiple examples of Jedi imbuing the Force into inanimate objects and being able to sense it anywhere within Legends continuity. There was also Quinlan Vos, who had the ability of psychometry, which allowed him to see the past by connecting to the residual Force-signature left on an object.
So, there is a precedence for this sort of thing.
Victor Peterson The Force exist within everything and that includes the vastness of emptiness in space, and also the hyperspace dimension. This means that the Force also exist within other dimensions.
Isn't it the Tantive 4 (IV)? Is he saying Tantive V 4? I've heard this before on other Star Wars-centric channels. I Don't get it.
Tantivy was apparently the original pronunciation (see the Star Wars Radio drama, 1993)
How come no one weaponized the hyperdrive if it was that powerful in the last jedi?
It’s a suicide mission. Hyperdrives are meant for faster travel, not being s speeding projectile. It would only work in visual range too, because unless you know the exact position of the ship you’re trying to hit, you’re going to end up missing, or hitting something else like a planet or star. Also in TLJ they used a huge Mon Calamari cruiser, not just a small fighter. A small fighter wouldn’t have that much effect on a ship the size of snoke’s, plus they’re not going to waste valuable capital ships to maybe destroy something else typically, only in desperation, so that’s why hyperdrives aren’t weaponized.
Patrick Murphy But, still, they can just used hundreds of meters of ship or solid object that have hyperdrives on it and don't need for pilots, and just send the unmanned ship or solid object to a ship and obliterated it, without actually losing lives. This also includes the droid fighter in from Clone Wars, why didn't the Separatist just put hyperdrives in every droid fighter and just kamikaze every ship in the republic. Unless, there's a Gravity well generator, but it would proves useless, considering how the Millennium Falcon didn't got out of hyperspace even the ship go nearby a powerful Gravity well being generated by the Planet's mass or during Rogue One, when the U-wing just hyperspace on the atmosphere, meaning there's still Gravity Well. The last Jedi film is the biggest mistake to the entire Star Wars franchise especially the hyperdrive ram, in which completely bullshit and creates a massive plot hole to every single space battle, that just happens in Star Wars.
they have droids so its not suicide, as long as the mass is bigger than zero its going to do catastrophic damage at ftl speeds and there have been multiple cases like ANH, ROTJ or TFA that they would have been desperate enough to at least try and use it. there is no good excuse its shit writing added to make a pretty shot with no thought into any implications beyond how cool it looked.
What the warp trails or warp sig... wait
10th
Humanity First is da wae, bruddahs.
Luke green lightsaber plz
It is all over for the Rebels if they can't figure out away to defeat Imperial tracking technology. Good thing that all the best and brightest in R&D hate imperial working conditions and defect to the Rebellion at the first opportunity. Which is exactly why the Rebels have the best technology😜
Dang it, why do all of your videos have last jedi spoilers....
LightningEagle14 It's been nearly a month. You should have watched it by now.
Marylandbrony perhaps. I don’t really like watching movies in the theater, I prefer to wait for them to come out on dvd and save some money
In my area, A manatee showing is about ten dollars.
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The Last Jedi was so lazily written that i have low hopes for them being consistent with the lore in the next one. My hopes for this trilogy was that better and more careful writers and loremasters would be involved. Nope. Dissapointed, I am.
My thoughts exactly
Fans don't like what other fans create sometimes.
You mean to say TLJ is a fanfiction?
Edvin Löfgren
I didn't mention TLJ, basically, not all people like the same thing, to me I was satisfied with TLJ.
Good for you. is it a problem that I was not?
New Canon > Legends
Gold Leader Fuck off.
Make me.
Gold Leader The Hyperspace ram in the new canon is completely bullshit. If that we're to be the case, then the fuck why, didn't the Separatist mass produced drips fighters with hyperspace to basically kamikaze every ship in the goddamn republic. The Hyperspace ram idea have created the biggest plot hole in every space battle in star wars canon. Also, Rey beats Kylo Ren with no training, that's also bullshit, the new canon is already controlled by feminist like Kathleen Kennedy.
The only thing, that I' m glad, is that they wouldn't introduce the grey Jedi into the Star Wars franchise, if that were to be happened, it would ruin the idea of the Force.
I'm sure the Separatists wouldn't waste their war machine to build massive kamikazes just to destroy single Venators. It would be a incredible waste of money. Yes, the US could design giant unmanned ships to crash into enemy ones, but the expense of that is astounding.
Even the inept B1s were expensive. But spending millions of credits per ship, just to have them be destroyed and you need another batch would be ridiculous.
Gold Leader First of all, don't compare real life to Star Wars, the technology gap is huge by margin, and because of that, warfare is also different. Second, hyperspace ramming is an already idea back in Star Wars EU, two honorable devices that weaponize hyperspace is the Galaxy gun from the dark empire comic and the shawken device, the shawken device uses hard and solid objects and ram it into a planet, and split the planet apart, in which in turn, the planet's fragments would also go to hyperspace, in which hits more planets, the super weapon had the potential to destroy the universe and recreate the Big Bang.
Let's say a single X-wing activated hyperdrive to an imperial star destroyer, what happens, you might say? It's easy, the result would be the Imperial Star Destroyer get obliterated to oblivion, if the rebellion wants to destroy the Death Star, all they need is goddamn nebulon-B Frigate or corellian corvette and go to hyperspace, and destroy the Death Star. If the republic wants to destroy the Malevolence made by the Separatist, they just put a hyperdrive into an asteroid, and just fucking launch it into the Malevolence and destroy the dreadnought. This is why Hyperspace ramming is bullshit, if we're going to apply real science, the end result of the radius hitting the supremacy would be an invisible catastrophe and other ships that hyperspace ramming. Just watch the video made by Nerdist, you understand.
first comment boi
This reply chain tho
this is beautiful
A spy would have done better... For less...
Okay is it impossible for him to pronounce anything correctly. I mean come on he pronounces so many things wrong.