Dear Mike, hope you read this comment. I am living in Italy and I totally understand your point. Money helps but we don't live for money. As a long time fan, I saw the band 4 times, but still, I haven't had a chance to see you play Shower Day. You left Ribbed album out of the tour!!! I am crying and sad and disappointed 😢😢😢😢😢 Will I ever see you sing those songs?! By the way I live in Florence where you first saw Indigesti❤
@@agricola not at all man, it happened around the 2010s. Overly woke teens. 2000s was actually ok, but the "punk" genre wasn’t as hardcore, as it became highly mainsrtream, as you know.
this guy knows. so was "fag." very common parlance for young men in the 2000s. "that's gay" wasn't intentionally homophobic, it was more Iike a way of saying "that's lame." that's not to say that homophobia wasn't extremely common back then though.
@@hypatiastanhope8273 you weren't around back then, so I'm not surprised you don't understand the context. I'm not anti-any minority, and I regret using those terms, I'm just saying that we weren't intentionally being homophobic. someone being Jewish makes no difference, not sure why you'd even bring that up
Hell these Gen Z kids are bringing back Gay like we used to. It ain’t about your sexuality at all and no rational people use it that way. It’s all love in the end
I miss old punk rock. I can see somebody asking Johnny Rotten, "what about that time you were a meanie to that chick?" A simple "fuck off mate" would have ended the entire conversation.
you dont miss the old punk rock. you miss being able to be a cunt to young women for no reason without anyone questioning why you want to do that. get a life. move with the times and grow tf up.
@@d.h.foster8937 That's not why at all. Who told you that? He was disillusioned with the corporatisation of his beloved band to say the least. He's very proud of that album.
@@fuckamericanidiot if he was disillusioned by the sex pistols as a product he would've quit from the beginning since they were an advertisement for their managers clothing store
Hayley has been a commodity before Paramore. Her whole public existence is fraud. Signed to Atlantic as a solo artist but "she" didn't want to appear that way, so they created Paramore and funneled it through a subsidiary, "Fueled By Ramen" to make it look like she and paramore rose up through the ranks. Hayley and Paramore is one of the best examples of label manufactured bullshit that exists.
Hayley Williams is a much better person than Fat Mike ever has been. She’s way more talented and famous too. It’s not punk to be a total douchebag like fat Mike
@adenlarios The band's entire history is based in fraud. Atlantic signed Hayley to be a pop star. She wanted to do punk because it was the cool thing at the time. They then let her build a band and released their album on one of their niche subsidiaries for appearances. She never came up in the scene.
I saw DJ Quik at a NOFX backyard party…. Propelled them into God Tier for me. We opened up for the Gimmes in Vegas a lifetime ago and afterwards our friend Joni (RIP) let us crash her suite afterwards. It happened to be next to Mike so we were invited to the coolest after party. True to form, Mike ends up in his briefs and a dog collar giving people “horsie rides”. I was gonna say fuck it and hop on because I couldn’t think of anything more punk rock in my life at the moment but Johnny and Darius from SU wanted to go get food and I was in deep conversation with both so as I’m leaving Mike hollers at me “HEY” and throw a beer coozie at me like a ninja star it said “I party harder than Fat Mike” . One year at PRB my team bowled next to “The Pin Ladens” I was so excited I kept buying trays and trays of patron silver, Mike got super ham with us and had to do a show at HOB that night. He barely made it to his mic a fell upon his monitor. He tried to do his set from the floor. He did say “ fuck you to the guy feeding me patron shots all day at the bowling alley “ it was his last coherent sentence I remember. They were particularly bad this night but we all had a blast. The were crowd surfing the trash cans, we don’t even know where they came from. It was a shitty mess. I have tons of cool punk rock stories from my time in the scene. Mike happens to be in a few. He causes a great big tsunami when he moves around and I always find myself in the turbulence amongst punk rocks greats. I love the scene because the pioneers were so accessible if you weren’t a spaz or a dick they’d have a beer with you. I had the privilege to play and party with lots of them . I can’t wait to see the museum , and I fucking love the MBA🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
@@dylanraffaelli5204 you're right Dylan. I guess I'm just kind of a dick sometimes. Thanks for calling me out. I deleted my comment based on the fact that we really should try and be excellent to each other. Alcohol and my own bitterness is not an excuse to be a dick. Cheers
Hayley is an insanely talented vocalist. But she is toxic as shit. You can trash Josh Farro, maybe he has an ego and his Christian views skew fundamentalist... but I am sure part of her family is like that as well. She cheated on him, and then married and divorced the man she cheated on him with. Josh was not WRONG, she was THE ONLY ONE signed to the label, the rest of them treated like her band, when THEY were the band SHE joined. Further proof by screwing Jeremy out of more royalties and basically called him "just a musician" instead of a contributing member. It is great and all she is with Taylor, and Zack has come back and all, but if anyone thinks for a minute she is 100% in the right and has no responsibility to the toxic culture around her, they are delusional. Like it or not, the SOUND of Paramore musically was Josh.
It’s fine that it wasn’t something he thought was a big deal at the time. I don’t think she went after him either, just by mentioning something sexist from one of the biggest punk bands at the time of warped days
I have criticisms for Fat Mike, namely regarding his life-long anti-war stance then promoting mainstream pro-war politicians because it's the popular thing. But never, in my wildest dreams, would I accuse anyone in NOFX of being phobic lol Sounds like an absurd accusation.
What it is, is a misunderstanding around banter and nicknames. If you get a nickname that is like a backhanded compliment, it's not people insulting you, it's a way of incorporating you into the "group" and being accepted as a peer. It may be tasteless, but it's not meant as an insult, it's an in-joke.
Calling fat mike out for a shitty sexist joke 20 years ago? Cool Just a shame she was also side stage for BOTDF singing every disgusting lyric lmfao while they’re preforming in front of tons of warped tour kids no less
Why is anybody surprised Hayley got overly sensitive? THey were perceived as an emo band, not a punk rock band even when they started... so naturally she be whining.
Crazy story about NOFX, when I was 17 I was driving my moms car and the song drugs are good was playing and then I got t boned at a stoplight and nearly died, I woke up to the lyrics “drugs are good and when you do em people think that you’re cool” couldn’t listen to that song for years
I had a brake malfunction on my Mitsubishi Eclipse and ran into a ditch, deploying the airbags and totaling the car. As the smoke from the airbags cleared the CD in the deck was skipping on "The Lunatic Clause" at the part where Mike sings, "You're gonna kill you".. I thought it would've been more appropriate if it were playing, "Not Our Love" at the part where he sings, "Smoke filled cabin".. tho...
Just gotta separate the music from the politics. A lot of "punks" and rockers are just socialists. I think Rage Against the Machine opened my eyes to that when I saw the bs they're posting on social media.
I liked when they were anti-vegans in liberal animation. after that they just became a mouth-piece for the democrat party lol. but that's punk rock for you, i guess.
Punk rock isn't something that can be confined to a physical space but is instead a living and evolving subculture that exists wherever people embrace its values and spirit. The idea of a punk rock museum raises questions about who gets to decide what is or isn't "punk."
Ah, but the beauty of punk rock lies in its rebellious spirit-far beyond a mere collection of memorabilia confined within brick and mortar. It's a vibrant ethos that defies boundaries and thrives in the hearts of those who challenge the status quo. While the Hard Rock Cafe might label what's 'hard rock,' punk rock's essence rebels against such definitive categorization, doesn't it? Imagine, a punk rock museum, curating anarchic energy and disruptive ideas-now that's a thought-provoking canvas! 😄🤘
That sounds a little gate-keeperish. Fat Mike just wants to celebrate that ethos from a life of living it, it's a collection, not a hall of fame. Someone always has to try to be the one-above with their arbitrary 'ethics' outrage.
People really need to learn that saying provocative stuff and being politically incorrect on a verbal level is one thing. And by the way this has always been a huge part of punk rock itself. Remember Sid Vicious wearing a swastika shirt. It is the DNA of punk rock to insult, have fun and be a menace to society. So bragging about Fat Mike being rude is hilarious. But the most important thing is not what is being said but how you act. And NOFX has always been an anti-racist, pro-feminism Band with a singer who stands for sexual freedom like no one else in the whole punk scene. Someone who makes himself a target of conservative america by wearing female clothes and preaching about S&M. So to me … the fact that she is not responding to his calls shows clearly that she tried to use him for PR.
He said it, she remembered it. That's all I can say definitively. We can't control what people remember about us, and we aren't entitled to forgiveness when we fk up.
Fat mike and NOFX are one of my holy symbols of my youth. The feelings i had listening to them, living life with no stress and volume up. Hope the luck of life keeps smiling on you Fat Mike
@@georgetinsley1558 I'm not sure what he said, it probably wasn't kind. But she said he was a homophone...he's literally been playing shows in a dress since before she could play an instrument
@@jevinday she literally didn’t say he was a homophobe. she was talking about homophobia and sexism in the emo scene and said that he would frequently be SEXIST about her on stage. not homophobic. he misunderstood her words.
@@g.garcia7151 just as deluded as you are when you think that bullying people into accepting your point of view is somehow virtuous and makes you a good person. The irony is as @ModernKurtCobain points out, that punk was about rebellion and now those rebels can’t accept the fact that they have become the establishment, the very thing which they claim to have always hated. Now that the rebels have established power, they are resentful and hateful towards anyone who dares question their authority. The media are goons, anyways have been and always will be, and they serve as propagandists for the established power. I don’t owe anyone an explanation for anyone else’s behavior, just as I don’t have any right to tell someone they cannot say something.
it was a crude joke from someone who has spent over 5 decades making crude jokes. more recently he made a joke in Vegas about the shooting, people didn't find it funny. but he's owned it all because he's a solid dude. she doesn't want to take his call because she knows his apology will be legit and it will disarm any ill feelings she has towards him. I feel her refusal to hear him contradicts her own personal beliefs of forgiveness. nowadays, people reserve the right to be a victim. I don't doubt she's had to put up with all kinds of rubbish that females in entertainment all endure, but in a way it's like she's taking it all out on him. there are plenty of creeps in the world, Fat Mike is NOT one of them, he just has his own brand, which like NoFx, is not for mass consumption.
Fat Mike, don’t sweat that bullshit. Think about this: I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart and just know that when you opened up with the decline however many years ago in Myrtle beach.. that was one of the best moments in my life. At the time I never thought you guys would even play that song much less 1st, I could see that it wasn’t easy and you played it just like the record, for real thank you :)
those fuckers pulled the same shit in new orleans once. Came on stage and mike said "ALRIGHT, We've got 2 set lists back here, one with all the hits, and one with a few of the weird songs and this one really weird long song, whatcha want?" We got hit with the decline live too and it fucking rocked.
@@crnkmnky punk and rap was about the dirty grit of the streets and calling things the way they are sadly music industry became about unrealistic bubble gum pop
Punk and rap both started with "woke" ideas of acceptance non-judgement and fostering a caring welcoming scene. The term woke is only a bad thing to the far right, only an idiot would think telling someone they're awake is a bad thing.
Punk has pretty much always been woke tbh dude. I like the sound of the music so I listen to some occasionally, but the lyrics are generally pretty retarded and the political commentary sounds like it was written by teenagers lol.
I love Paramore's music and as much as I try to learn as little as possible about artists I cannot help but notice that Hayley had kinda contracted.. what I call a "white women on twitter syndrome". She also went after Fantano and another reviewer (who is a hardcore paramore fan) because they criticized the way she was putting out singles. Like chill, gurl.
I absolutely LOVE Hayley Williams and grew up with her music, but I don't get why she doesn't want to talk to him about it. Maybe there's more to the story, but who knows.
I too am a target. All i wanted to do was start a website where we rate people based on the quality of their rimjobs and now it's like everyone is out to get me. Can't they tell it's a joke? Don't they know I'm funny? People used to tell me I'm funny but they don't do it anymore and I get that because it's such a burden so I will shoulder that burden for now and tell people how funny I am because I am also noble and good. I'm with you Mike...or Fat...or whatever.
Most of us don't know if Williams is genuinely hurt since we don't know her, but we know there is a power gap dynamic because Burkett is the warptour...and in real time she wasn't in great position to be assertive but also at nineteen, wasn't confident his judgement is questionable...He can be aware of that in himself, but Burkett's nature seems to be he feels more genuine being low self monitor and no reconciliation looks realistic there...Unless she takes high road, and that might not be so punk for either this point.
I was at the When we were young fest and saw Paramore on stage. Before they played she said her speech. Made the concert awkward cas no one who she was describing was there. Then I found out she was talking about Fat Mike a couple days later. I thought the same thing, clout. And the joke you said was funny. Just learn to take a punch and give it back. Nice vid..!!
The argument is counter intuitive. If a woman is in a band and you treat her different because she is female then it's sexist right? Fat mike sais a joke which he'd say about anyone and it's sexist? Isn't that treating her equally? I guess not, I guess that too is sexist. Can't have it both ways. If you want to be treated the same don't play victim because of it. In this case I can't see why fat mike owes an apology when he.was literally doing what feminists claim to fight for... equally joking about her as if she were ANYONE else. I'm gay I hate to even have to say it as of its relevant but the whole idea of trying to label everyone and everything and walking on eggshells and this progressive mindset has turned so many into fearful politically correct robots who aren't allowed to be themselves without the consent of a mob who gets to decide what is and is not offensive. NOFX has bent over backwards to try and make people happy to such an extent that I think they have every right to say fuck everyone. If NOFX knows their own intentions and knows their own hearts they have absolutlry nothing to prove to anyone else. Rock on fat mike!
@@Redman8086 yeah it was dude, don’t be that person. I’m not saying some people go too far, there’s a bit of that in every single movement. But don’t be disingenuous.
'Woke Punk'? Punk has always tackled social issues, and social injustices. The difference is now you have like a thousand different Punk subgenres that is diluting the scene. Also we are in a strange place where everyone wants to be an individual but at the same time demands that you comply with their ideals. It is Anarchy homogenized.
@@mikecommins9429 I’m sorry bro but that isn’t Anarchy by any means. You just made my point for me. These people aren’t punks and they aren’t anarchists. They are sheeple bootlickers. They love big government. They believe the lying news media brought to you by Pfizer. I’m sorry bro but punks from the 70s and 80s would be denouncing this insanity. These zombies fully embrace it. Fitting in and being an accepted part of the group is way more important than individuality and originality. These coattail riders don’t have an original thought in their head. It’s punk in name only. It’s a fraud
the problem with society is, you shouldn't feel either way. It's not our fcking business and we are nobody to judge anyone. People who feel entitled to determine someone is a good or a bad person and give them sht or cyberbully them or try to boicot them or "cancel" them based on whate they hear in social media just make me cringe like nothing else in the world could
@José Eduardo Parra underrated comment duder 👍 We need the pendulum swinging back and bring back the grassroots punk rock mentality of not giving a fuck or else expect more of this Twatter-sphere high school gobbity gook that will be of our demise of our already declining rock/metal community...
Ahhh good old days of punk rock. I saw Guttermouth once and they had a vegan straight edge band open for them. Guttermouth opened their set carrying bags of McDonalds hamburgers throwing them out into the crowd. 😂
Tbh we literally have no idea that she doesn't want to accept his apology. All we know is that Mike said 'she would not take my call'. For all we know, she couldn't take his call, or wasn't even around to do so. We honestly don't know if this is even true. So we can't take his word for it. Also, she doesn't owe him anything. If I offend you, and I apologise for it, You are not obligated to accept it. If I'm the cause of the conflict, I have to deal with the other persons reactions. If I feel hurt that you won't speak to me, I literally only have myself to blame.
@@JohnMichael-h1r She was literally doing an interview about the topic and discussing her personal experiences. Plus, his original comment was made in public. He didn't give her the opportunity to tell him how she felt about it in private before he said it, so why should she? Actions have consequences. If you don't wanna be treated like a dick then don't act like one.
Everyone in these comments definitely dont know the full context lmao. Hayley was asked abt sexism and said his name once as something in the past. It wasnt focused on him. Yall are grown men being crybabies in the comments bc she brought up sexism
Hayley Williams recently said something about something Fat Mike said on stage in the 2000s and he apologized for it. However, she refused to take his call. He believes she is targeting him due to his current fame and he still wishes to apologize for his words. He has been singing feminist lyrics since the beginning of his career and he wishes he could take back what he said.
HW has wonderful talent, voice, stage presence and charisma. As a musician I have huge respect for her, but she has a long way to go with her political due diligence. Before she gets on stage and rants about whatever talking point TikTok or CNN tells her to, she needs to actually read in detail what she's talking about. She will avoid embarrassing herself and unnecessarily alienating part of her fanbase if she actually reads the HBs and Constitution. Have some understanding about how laws and rights work before she sticks her foot in her mouth.
Woke points count more that legit punkness at that pathetic travesty Fat Mike is doing. If anyone were to ask me, “what does the antithesis of punk look like?” I would say, look at the two dweebs in this video.
I love paramore and love Hayley. But what hes saying its true. If you had a problem with a comment/attitude, you just dont sit with them hand hand out.
He did nothing wrong. Learn to take a joke. Paramour sucks and deserves to be made fun of. Also, Fat Mike, I still never got my refund for the cancelled Punk in Drublic in Austin. Come on, they're starting student loans back up, man.
i was dying laughing after that rimjob comment :D Fat mike youre a legend, NOFX for life. Dont apologize for who you are, if ppl cant handle your humor they shall piss off I love u your one of my Childhood heroes
The point is in a scene that is supposed to be about acceptance it's not cool to talk about the weakest person in the group sticking their tongue up your ass.
Hayley was asked about sexism in the scene and literally mentioned Fat Mike in passing as an example in part of a much larger discussion. Also Paramore have being incredibly successful their entire career.
yeah, I remember that was the main controversy. However, not justifying that sort of thing...fat mike looked at her as an established mature well self made person and the gap in their ages was not even thought of. But yeah, that is the only thing I can think that makes this implicating...but then again, I also think it's an endorsement of respect. I love fat mike and nofx and when it comes to these sort of social interactions, I remain unbiased, but I truly believe this.
Full interview: ua-cam.com/video/vj1phlK8n5Q/v-deo.html
Dear Mike, hope you read this comment. I am living in Italy and I totally understand your point.
Money helps but we don't live for money. As a long time fan, I saw the band 4 times, but still, I haven't had a chance to see you play Shower Day.
You left Ribbed album out of the tour!!!
I am crying and sad and disappointed 😢😢😢😢😢
Will I ever see you sing those songs?!
By the way I live in Florence where you first saw Indigesti❤
🤔 Wasn't Tilt on Fat Records?? 🤘
NOFX isn't homophobic, they're just gay.
When did punk rock become so safe?
just don’t let it. just be yourself, fuck that noise.
2000 or so
@@agricola not at all man, it happened around the 2010s. Overly woke teens. 2000s was actually ok, but the "punk" genre wasn’t as hardcore, as it became highly mainsrtream, as you know.
id say around the time afi and first to last went mainstream hahaha
The same year Fugazi became the gold standard
Back in the early 2000s it was normal to use homophobic slurs. Saying "that's gay" was part of the vocabulary but it wasn't intended as anti gay
@@loganjk8990 sorry for your friend I hope he didn't let it go to his head (that's what they want) so don't let it
this guy knows. so was "fag." very common parlance for young men in the 2000s. "that's gay" wasn't intentionally homophobic, it was more Iike a way of saying "that's lame." that's not to say that homophobia wasn't extremely common back then though.
@@hypatiastanhope8273 you weren't around back then, so I'm not surprised you don't understand the context. I'm not anti-any minority, and I regret using those terms, I'm just saying that we weren't intentionally being homophobic. someone being Jewish makes no difference, not sure why you'd even bring that up
Hell these Gen Z kids are bringing back Gay like we used to. It ain’t about your sexuality at all and no rational people use it that way. It’s all love in the end
@@loganjk8990that is a real shame.
I miss old punk rock. I can see somebody asking Johnny Rotten, "what about that time you were a meanie to that chick?" A simple "fuck off mate" would have ended the entire conversation.
Yup. Political correctness and RnR don't go hand in hand. Also, this girl is a bible thumper. Let's talk about what they believe....
johnny rotten also recognized punk was infantile and lame which is why he decided to form public image instead.
you dont miss the old punk rock. you miss being able to be a cunt to young women for no reason without anyone questioning why you want to do that. get a life. move with the times and grow tf up.
@@d.h.foster8937 That's not why at all.
Who told you that?
He was disillusioned with the corporatisation of his beloved band to say the least.
He's very proud of that album.
@@fuckamericanidiot
if he was disillusioned by the sex pistols as a product he would've quit from the beginning since they were an advertisement for their managers clothing store
"We're not bros, bro."
We're brews.
Sporting anti swastika tattoos 🤘
OI OI
G.G Allin would laugh at them both before throwing his shit at them
Who gives af what GG Allin would do. May he rot in pieces-
gross
pushing those chips gg allin
Hayley isn't a punk. She's a pop star. She appealed to emo kids. Emo kids were cry-bullies.
Hayley has been a commodity before Paramore. Her whole public existence is fraud. Signed to Atlantic as a solo artist but "she" didn't want to appear that way, so they created Paramore and funneled it through a subsidiary, "Fueled By Ramen" to make it look like she and paramore rose up through the ranks. Hayley and Paramore is one of the best examples of label manufactured bullshit that exists.
I was always skeptical of paramore from the beginning
Hayley Williams is a much better person than Fat Mike ever has been. She’s way more talented and famous too. It’s not punk to be a total douchebag like fat Mike
@adenlarios The band's entire history is based in fraud. Atlantic signed Hayley to be a pop star. She wanted to do punk because it was the cool thing at the time. They then let her build a band and released their album on one of their niche subsidiaries for appearances. She never came up in the scene.
She is hot though
Had a gig at crappy LA downtown bar and thought no one really showed up there for anything. The next day, Fat Mike is there having a blast.
When did punk rock become so safe?
Better Apologize Mike,
When did punk rock become so tame?
when the corps figured out to co opt everything
pop punk [was always pretty safe]...there are plently of NOT safe punk bands, they just [dont] own record labels and museums.
During covid there were plenty of old “punk rockers” that sided with the government and big pharma. It was really sad to see
If that was meant to be a Rock For Sustainable Capitalism quote, I salute you.
@@wienersmcbutts It's from a NOFX song before mike went all batshit
Don't be offended she's just in the business of misery and there's a million other girls who do it just like her
She’s so scared of being canceled she retconned her own lyrics
It wasn't her intention to brag...
She’s got him where she wants him now
@@Zeta9966she doesn’t agree with those lyrics anymore, she wrote them when she was a teenager.
@@MiniatureLoaf😂😂😂
I must be old. It’s turned into a goddamned soap opera with these kids.
punk has always been catty as fuck but you didnt have instant access to the conversations before
Punk is for pussies except G.G Allins
When you haven’t made good music since 95 you need things to talk about.
They get offended over everything lmao
I saw DJ Quik at a NOFX backyard party…. Propelled them into God Tier for me. We opened up for the Gimmes in Vegas a lifetime ago and afterwards our friend Joni (RIP) let us crash her suite afterwards. It happened to be next to Mike so we were invited to the coolest after party. True to form, Mike ends up in his briefs and a dog collar giving people “horsie rides”. I was gonna say fuck it and hop on because I couldn’t think of anything more punk rock in my life at the moment but Johnny and Darius from SU wanted to go get food and I was in deep conversation with both so as I’m leaving Mike hollers at me “HEY” and throw a beer coozie at me like a ninja star it said “I party harder than Fat Mike” . One year at PRB my team bowled next to “The Pin Ladens” I was so excited I kept buying trays and trays of patron silver, Mike got super ham with us and had to do a show at HOB that night. He barely made it to his mic a fell upon his monitor. He tried to do his set from the floor. He did say “ fuck you to the guy feeding me patron shots all day at the bowling alley “ it was his last coherent sentence I remember. They were particularly bad this night but we all had a blast. The were crowd surfing the trash cans, we don’t even know where they came from. It was a shitty mess. I have tons of cool punk rock stories from my time in the scene. Mike happens to be in a few. He causes a great big tsunami when he moves around and I always find myself in the turbulence amongst punk rocks greats. I love the scene because the pioneers were so accessible if you weren’t a spaz or a dick they’d have a beer with you. I had the privilege to play and party with lots of them . I can’t wait to see the museum , and I fucking love the MBA🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
West Coast gngsta rap legend DJ Quick?! That's so cool.
This is what the comment section is for! Love what you had to say about the punk rock and the scene etc ❤
Joni was a legend. RIP
@@johnmacdonald3649 that's not very nice
@@dylanraffaelli5204 you're right Dylan. I guess I'm just kind of a dick sometimes. Thanks for calling me out. I deleted my comment based on the fact that we really should try and be excellent to each other. Alcohol and my own bitterness is not an excuse to be a dick. Cheers
Hayley is an insanely talented vocalist.
But she is toxic as shit.
You can trash Josh Farro, maybe he has an ego and his Christian views skew fundamentalist... but I am sure part of her family is like that as well. She cheated on him, and then married and divorced the man she cheated on him with. Josh was not WRONG, she was THE ONLY ONE signed to the label, the rest of them treated like her band, when THEY were the band SHE joined. Further proof by screwing Jeremy out of more royalties and basically called him "just a musician" instead of a contributing member. It is great and all she is with Taylor, and Zack has come back and all, but if anyone thinks for a minute she is 100% in the right and has no responsibility to the toxic culture around her, they are delusional. Like it or not, the SOUND of Paramore musically was Josh.
Yep, love the music but she is a terrible person.
I don't think most people even care to know any of that . . Everything would be just fine if that entire band never existed
Has anyone ever seen Fat Mike and Ethan Klein in the same room?
very sus
Haha holy shit. Their vocal cadence is so similar
It’s fine that it wasn’t something he thought was a big deal at the time. I don’t think she went after him either, just by mentioning something sexist from one of the biggest punk bands at the time of warped days
I have criticisms for Fat Mike, namely regarding his life-long anti-war stance then promoting mainstream pro-war politicians because it's the popular thing. But never, in my wildest dreams, would I accuse anyone in NOFX of being phobic lol Sounds like an absurd accusation.
What it is, is a misunderstanding around banter and nicknames.
If you get a nickname that is like a backhanded compliment, it's not people insulting you, it's a way of incorporating you into the "group" and being accepted as a peer.
It may be tasteless, but it's not meant as an insult, it's an in-joke.
If being accepted into the group means someone calling me ass eating gary, I'm cool staying an outcast.
That's what we get for accepting this movement and those people into mainstream society. The whole LGBT movement is full of assholes.
Ahhh selective sensitivity. It runs rampant in today's society.
Yeah, I can imagine you telling someone an 18 year old girl in fact that she doesn’t give good head😂
But yeah, selective sensitivity. I’m guessing you don’t have kids or a sister or mother
Calling fat mike out for a shitty sexist joke 20 years ago? Cool
Just a shame she was also side stage for BOTDF singing every disgusting lyric lmfao while they’re preforming in front of tons of warped tour kids no less
Why is anybody surprised Hayley got overly sensitive? THey were perceived as an emo band, not a punk rock band even when they started... so naturally she be whining.
I’m so glad fat mike is here to tell us what a great person he is
😂
Yeah, he doesn't have an ego🙄
nailed it
What should he have said?
@@fuckamericanidiot He should have said he want his coke and fries
Crazy story about NOFX, when I was 17 I was driving my moms car and the song drugs are good was playing and then I got t boned at a stoplight and nearly died, I woke up to the lyrics “drugs are good and when you do em people think that you’re cool” couldn’t listen to that song for years
I had a brake malfunction on my Mitsubishi Eclipse and ran into a ditch, deploying the airbags and totaling the car. As the smoke from the airbags cleared the CD in the deck was skipping on "The Lunatic Clause" at the part where Mike sings, "You're gonna kill you".. I thought it would've been more appropriate if it were playing, "Not Our Love" at the part where he sings, "Smoke filled cabin".. tho...
You can look back at almost any song from NOFX from the last forty years and know they have always been an ally to whatever you want to be against.
Just gotta separate the music from the politics. A lot of "punks" and rockers are just socialists. I think Rage Against the Machine opened my eyes to that when I saw the bs they're posting on social media.
"an ally to whatever you want to be against" 🎯
You’re goddamn right
I wanna be against free speech for conservatives
I liked when they were anti-vegans in liberal animation. after that they just became a mouth-piece for the democrat party lol. but that's punk rock for you, i guess.
"punks" these days are no different from the Kardashians
Punk rock isn't something that can be confined to a physical space but is instead a living and evolving subculture that exists wherever people embrace its values and spirit.
The idea of a punk rock museum raises questions about who gets to decide what is or isn't "punk."
How so? It's just a building with memorabilia. Does the Hard Rock Cafe decide whose hard rock and who isn't? lol.
Ah, but the beauty of punk rock lies in its rebellious spirit-far beyond a mere collection of memorabilia confined within brick and mortar. It's a vibrant ethos that defies boundaries and thrives in the hearts of those who challenge the status quo.
While the Hard Rock Cafe might label what's 'hard rock,' punk rock's essence rebels against such definitive categorization, doesn't it? Imagine, a punk rock museum, curating anarchic energy and disruptive ideas-now that's a thought-provoking canvas! 😄🤘
That sounds a little gate-keeperish. Fat Mike just wants to celebrate that ethos from a life of living it, it's a collection, not a hall of fame. Someone always has to try to be the one-above with their arbitrary 'ethics' outrage.
The idea that punk rock has "values and spirit" raises questions about who gets to decide what is or isn't "punk."
If everything is punk then nothing is.
I've never been into NOFX but this dude seems like a fun person to be around. Always have time for a roaster
you should get into them if possible. They've written some incredible music over the years.
Scavenger type is the best Nofx song . Check it out
@@Crybaby-Media release the hostage, green corn, lizza, eek the meek, you’re bleeding. Those are some of my favourites
NOFX sucks, you're not missing anything besides preachy lefty bullshit
id like to go through a ball with him
Don’t expect a punk rocker to not be a punk rocker
had to burst out laughing twice during this. Mike is still killing it I love his ass man
You love his ass ? Sickening.
What about the rest of him?
@@2011jbone 💀
I love him too>> no homo
@@Lr-tv3mh its gay to say no homo.
People really need to learn that saying provocative stuff and being politically incorrect on a verbal level is one thing. And by the way this has always been a huge part of punk rock itself. Remember Sid Vicious wearing a swastika shirt. It is the DNA of punk rock to insult, have fun and be a menace to society. So bragging about Fat Mike being rude is hilarious. But the most important thing is not what is being said but how you act. And NOFX has always been an anti-racist, pro-feminism Band with a singer who stands for sexual freedom like no one else in the whole punk scene. Someone who makes himself a target of conservative america by wearing female clothes and preaching about S&M. So to me … the fact that she is not responding to his calls shows clearly that she tried to use him for PR.
You know this man personally to be dick riding him and his intentions?
He said it, she remembered it. That's all I can say definitively.
We can't control what people remember about us, and we aren't entitled to forgiveness when we fk up.
She is more famous than he ever will be. Who the hell needs to use him for PR? LMAO
@@totallyperfect8784 lmao in your age group she’s more popular maybe
@@crnkmnky No one who is self-assured NEEDS forgiveness. That is quasi-religious drivel language anyway.
Fat mike and NOFX are one of my holy symbols of my youth. The feelings i had listening to them, living life with no stress and volume up. Hope the luck of life keeps smiling on you Fat Mike
The freedom to not offend is no freedom at all.
talk about israel and find out bedside they take you taxes
Nobody owes anybody an apology. He totally brushed under what he said also.
What did he say, what did she say?
He spent plenty of that clip talking about how he felt bad and wanted to apologize to Haley. What the hell are all of you haters talking about?
@@georgetinsley1558 I'm not sure what he said, it probably wasn't kind. But she said he was a homophone...he's literally been playing shows in a dress since before she could play an instrument
@@jevinday she literally didn’t say he was a homophobe. she was talking about homophobia and sexism in the emo scene and said that he would frequently be SEXIST about her on stage. not homophobic. he misunderstood her words.
@@jevinday he literally says it in the video.
What it all boils down is people are super fucken sensitive now days and love to be victims... it’s a badge on honor.
Fax
Ironic too cuz punk was about rebellion 😂
@@g.garcia7151 explain how it's gross. I guess you like to shame people for their preferences, bigot.
@@g.garcia7151it is a mindset which springs forth from an ideal that hippy trash cannot possibly understand. Happy August 8th, such a beautiful day!
@@g.garcia7151 just as deluded as you are when you think that bullying people into accepting your point of view is somehow virtuous and makes you a good person. The irony is as @ModernKurtCobain points out, that punk was about rebellion and now those rebels can’t accept the fact that they have become the establishment, the very thing which they claim to have always hated. Now that the rebels have established power, they are resentful and hateful towards anyone who dares question their authority. The media are goons, anyways have been and always will be, and they serve as propagandists for the established power. I don’t owe anyone an explanation for anyone else’s behavior, just as I don’t have any right to tell someone they cannot say something.
Never apologise for not doing anything wrong just to placate the mob.
180 degrees my guy
@@appleshampewunrequired 180’s are destroying society. So thats a big fat nope. He didnt do anything wrong = no apology required. Pretty based really
When did punk rock apologize for being offensive?
the fact this conversation is happening proves punk is dead
It's not dead, we are just learning... 3 steps forward 2 steps back :/
Remember when if someone said something you didn't like, you'd just say, "wow that guy/girl sucks" and you'd move on with your life?
Sounds like that's what Hayley did but Mike is hung up on it
Everybody is an easy target right now . They will probably end up canceling the guy who farted at a sleep token show 😂😂
ok but did you just assume the gender of the farter? only men fart? you're sexist!
it was a crude joke from someone who has spent over 5 decades making crude jokes. more recently he made a joke in Vegas about the shooting, people didn't find it funny. but he's owned it all because he's a solid dude. she doesn't want to take his call because she knows his apology will be legit and it will disarm any ill feelings she has towards him. I feel her refusal to hear him contradicts her own personal beliefs of forgiveness. nowadays, people reserve the right to be a victim. I don't doubt she's had to put up with all kinds of rubbish that females in entertainment all endure, but in a way it's like she's taking it all out on him. there are plenty of creeps in the world, Fat Mike is NOT one of them, he just has his own brand, which like NoFx, is not for mass consumption.
@@dieselbabyhe said something like better it was country fans than punk fans or something. I mean dayum that's cold lol.
@@shekador very funny to me
Wasn’t it Melvin?
@@lukejanssen3539 no was def Fat Mike
@@shekadorNo it was Melvin. So easy to Google.
Fat Mike, don’t sweat that bullshit. Think about this: I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart and just know that when you opened up with the decline however many years ago in Myrtle beach.. that was one of the best moments in my life. At the time I never thought you guys would even play that song much less 1st, I could see that it wasn’t easy and you played it just like the record, for real thank you :)
those fuckers pulled the same shit in new orleans once. Came on stage and mike said "ALRIGHT, We've got 2 set lists back here, one with all the hits, and one with a few of the weird songs and this one really weird long song, whatcha want?" We got hit with the decline live too and it fucking rocked.
Woke-ness in punk or rap shows how the music business is dieing
Where is the line between so-called "wokeness" and your garden variety punk ideologies?
@@crnkmnky punk and rap was about the dirty grit of the streets and calling things the way they are sadly music industry became about unrealistic bubble gum pop
or maybe you don't understand what punk is about.
Punk and rap both started with "woke" ideas of acceptance non-judgement and fostering a caring welcoming scene. The term woke is only a bad thing to the far right, only an idiot would think telling someone they're awake is a bad thing.
Punk has pretty much always been woke tbh dude. I like the sound of the music so I listen to some occasionally, but the lyrics are generally pretty retarded and the political commentary sounds like it was written by teenagers lol.
I love Paramore's music and as much as I try to learn as little as possible about artists I cannot help but notice that Hayley had kinda contracted.. what I call a "white women on twitter syndrome". She also went after Fantano and another reviewer (who is a hardcore paramore fan) because they criticized the way she was putting out singles. Like chill, gurl.
here's my impression of her. "I'm Hailey Williams and I'm SAD >:("
My mans a mimic! 😂
Ik just going to go calling out Mike letting him know about is daughters great rim jobs, Hayley can't compare to the goat
"White women on Twitter syndrome" beautiful, I'm stealing that 😆
Funny about how paramore started as a christian band and is literally calling queer people homophobic lol
They were never a "Christian band"
@@andrewvasquez7872a simple google search would prove u wrong but ok
@@andrewvasquez7872they were indeed a christian band.
@@spiderpunk1265it was just a front.
@@Hero_Of_Old Front or not. They still identified as such.
I absolutely LOVE Hayley Williams and grew up with her music, but I don't get why she doesn't want to talk to him about it. Maybe there's more to the story, but who knows.
Most of these Hollywood women are narcissists.
I can think of one or two reasons 😂 and they’re nothing to do with his charm
@@dmd7472 Sounds like a cowardly answer to me.
She wants to have her cake and eat it too. She wants to call him a meanie and feel superior, and she doesn't want to accept his apology.
She doesn’t have to actually. This man seems very annoying and just like any other dude.
This whole "be nice" bs is hijacking punk.
Punk was meant to be abrasive, rude, honest...but never "nice"
Oh were you there in 1975? Sick of all these people trying to put their own agenda on punk rock. Shouldn't even use the term anymore.
I too am a target. All i wanted to do was start a website where we rate people based on the quality of their rimjobs and now it's like everyone is out to get me. Can't they tell it's a joke? Don't they know I'm funny? People used to tell me I'm funny but they don't do it anymore and I get that because it's such a burden so I will shoulder that burden for now and tell people how funny I am because I am also noble and good. I'm with you Mike...or Fat...or whatever.
Most of us don't know if Williams is genuinely hurt since we don't know her, but we know there is a power gap dynamic because Burkett is the warptour...and in real time she wasn't in great position to be assertive but also at nineteen, wasn't confident his judgement is questionable...He can be aware of that in himself, but Burkett's nature seems to be he feels more genuine being low self monitor and no reconciliation looks realistic there...Unless she takes high road, and that might not be so punk for either this point.
I'm an old punk....so who the hell is hayley Williams?
Punk rock is so tender now
She literally been making music for close to 20 years with same band.
Shes a fucking idiot for this, but don't act like she's a nobody either.
This new p.c. fat mike is gross
Lol she is not punk in any way
Paramore. She’s whiny lol
The reason why You haven't heard of her is that she's a pop star (although some people like to call the band she's in "punk" 😆)
I was at the When we were young fest and saw Paramore on stage. Before they played she said her speech. Made the concert awkward cas no one who she was describing was there. Then I found out she was talking about Fat Mike a couple days later. I thought the same thing, clout. And the joke you said was funny. Just learn to take a punch and give it back. Nice vid..!!
Why would he want Paramore in the Punk Rock Museum?
The NOFX dude can bald himself and actually be Dr. Evil from Austin Powers and would nail the role!!!
Wait, people still consider "bro" to be a real classification of a person? 😂
That’s the biggest takeaway from this 😂😂😂 what year do u they think it is
@@Tfististhis 2009 from the sound of it.
DO you even lift Bro?
The argument is counter intuitive. If a woman is in a band and you treat her different because she is female then it's sexist right? Fat mike sais a joke which he'd say about anyone and it's sexist? Isn't that treating her equally? I guess not, I guess that too is sexist. Can't have it both ways. If you want to be treated the same don't play victim because of it. In this case I can't see why fat mike owes an apology when he.was literally doing what feminists claim to fight for... equally joking about her as if she were ANYONE else. I'm gay I hate to even have to say it as of its relevant but the whole idea of trying to label everyone and everything and walking on eggshells and this progressive mindset has turned so many into fearful politically correct robots who aren't allowed to be themselves without the consent of a mob who gets to decide what is and is not offensive. NOFX has bent over backwards to try and make people happy to such an extent that I think they have every right to say fuck everyone. If NOFX knows their own intentions and knows their own hearts they have absolutlry nothing to prove to anyone else. Rock on fat mike!
By your argument the Nazis didn’t kill JUST Jews……so the Jews were just being treated equally? Lol
Great comment! Agree
It all begins to make sense when you realize feminism was never about equality.
@@Redman8086 yeah it was dude, don’t be that person. I’m not saying some people go too far, there’s a bit of that in every single movement. But don’t be disingenuous.
This modern day ‘woke punk’ is so far away from what punk rock was in the 70s and 80s it’s laughable
'Woke Punk'? Punk has always tackled social issues, and social injustices. The difference is now you have like a thousand different Punk subgenres that is diluting the scene. Also we are in a strange place where everyone wants to be an individual but at the same time demands that you comply with their ideals. It is Anarchy homogenized.
@@mikecommins9429 I’m sorry bro but that isn’t Anarchy by any means. You just made my point for me. These people aren’t punks and they aren’t anarchists. They are sheeple bootlickers. They love big government. They believe the lying news media brought to you by Pfizer. I’m sorry bro but punks from the 70s and 80s would be denouncing this insanity. These zombies fully embrace it. Fitting in and being an accepted part of the group is way more important than individuality and originality. These coattail riders don’t have an original thought in their head. It’s punk in name only. It’s a fraud
Punk has always been "woke" it was unity amongst the working class.
@@jimbo_1312Lmfaooo
@@jimbo_1312 unless the working class votes republican
ive always loved fat mike. what a cool human
I never got into nofx.but i do respect Fat Mike.he a real one man.mad respect.🤘🏻🎱🤘🏻
Mike said I looked like Kenny G once, I don't think you should ever take him too seriously
I’m pro-Hayley and I’m pro-Mike. I have no idea how to feel. Fuck.
the problem with society is, you shouldn't feel either way. It's not our fcking business and we are nobody to judge anyone. People who feel entitled to determine someone is a good or a bad person and give them sht or cyberbully them or try to boicot them or "cancel" them based on whate they hear in social media just make me cringe like nothing else in the world could
@José Eduardo Parra underrated comment duder 👍
We need the pendulum swinging back and bring back the grassroots punk rock mentality of not giving a fuck or else expect more of this Twatter-sphere high school gobbity gook that will be of our demise of our already declining rock/metal community...
"Something you said 25 years ago" Annnnd I'm not listening anymore ✌️
Ahhh good old days of punk rock. I saw Guttermouth once and they had a vegan straight edge band open for them. Guttermouth opened their set carrying bags of McDonalds hamburgers throwing them out into the crowd. 😂
I remember Guttermouth got kicked off the warped tour for "bullying" good Charlotte on stage.
Mark don’t take no shit 😂😂
Never been a fan of nofx but fuck HW for doing that. The dude is legendarilly nice to people so idk why she would go after him.
She wants to have her cake and eat it too. She wants to call him a meanie and feel superior, and she doesn't want to accept his apology.
Tbh we literally have no idea that she doesn't want to accept his apology. All we know is that Mike said 'she would not take my call'. For all we know, she couldn't take his call, or wasn't even around to do so. We honestly don't know if this is even true. So we can't take his word for it.
Also, she doesn't owe him anything. If I offend you, and I apologise for it, You are not obligated to accept it. If I'm the cause of the conflict, I have to deal with the other persons reactions. If I feel hurt that you won't speak to me, I literally only have myself to blame.
@@BewleyUK9wrong it becomes something else when you cry to the media instead of being like dude that was fucked up
@@JohnMichael-h1r She was literally doing an interview about the topic and discussing her personal experiences.
Plus, his original comment was made in public. He didn't give her the opportunity to tell him how she felt about it in private before he said it, so why should she?
Actions have consequences. If you don't wanna be treated like a dick then don't act like one.
@@BewleyUK9 cry some more dork
Why would anyone need to accept someone else's apology?
This is the opposite of punk rock.
Punk was about unity amongst the working class you absolutely fanny
It’s their Misery Business- let us Leave it Alone!
No need to apologize to whomever that is.
Fat Mike and Haley Williams are mere entertainers. Can we please stop pretending we care about anything they have to say.
Why watch it then?
@@nickchivers9029 because you jam sweet potatoes in your asshole. That's why!
Everyone in these comments definitely dont know the full context lmao. Hayley was asked abt sexism and said his name once as something in the past. It wasnt focused on him. Yall are grown men being crybabies in the comments bc she brought up sexism
Woman calls man sexist.
Man denies it.
Woman: omg what's the big deal lmao manbabies
Blue hair vs red hair
This whole situation is gay af
This is where he got the idea for Clams Have Feelings Too
This is totally gay.
( not that theres anything wrong w that )
Comment section didn’t pass the vibe check
You are sensitive.
Conservatism is the new punk
If you’re offended, that means the checks and balances of egos still exist. That’s important, and makes the world fun.
I like how old punk rockers are turning themselves into Real Housewives.
Really Punk, Fat Mike!!!
Came on to clear up his rep, came off as an even bigger prick. Elite stuff, man.
You mean the guy who made songs about keeping punk elite??
"Punk" has become so apologetic.. smh RIP
Hayley Williams recently said something about something Fat Mike said on stage in the 2000s and he apologized for it. However, she refused to take his call. He believes she is targeting him due to his current fame and he still wishes to apologize for his words. He has been singing feminist lyrics since the beginning of his career and he wishes he could take back what he said.
Decent summary, bud. 👍
Current fame, lol Paramore is literally 10x bigger than NOFX
Paramore 10x bigger than NOFX? Infinite lol. If that's the case, it explain pretty well why this world is mad
@@thirtythreeeyes8624 Uhh, maybe ten years ago... Paramore's has-beens at this point.
@thirtythreeeyes8624 you say that like nofx give a flying fuck about that
Now the woke people are ruining punk, what a shame 🥲
HW has wonderful talent, voice, stage presence and charisma. As a musician I have huge respect for her, but she has a long way to go with her political due diligence. Before she gets on stage and rants about whatever talking point TikTok or CNN tells her to, she needs to actually read in detail what she's talking about. She will avoid embarrassing herself and unnecessarily alienating part of her fanbase if she actually reads the HBs and Constitution. Have some understanding about how laws and rights work before she sticks her foot in her mouth.
some people need to be angry at someone or something in order to give their lives meaning 🤷♂️
I love how Fat Mike thinks that Haley needs to talk about him to get extra publicity lmao cmon man.
“When did punk rock become so safe?🎶”
About 1982
@@seabasssimpson4547 More like 2003, when Avril Lavigne and the corpopunks hit the scene.
Avril 🤮
Yeah something like the beginning of the 2000
Rock n Roll is sexist, so you can only be sexist towards men, or it’s the wrong kind of sexist.
Everyone stop fucking apologizing.
"I'm woke now, leave me alone." - Fat Mike
I like his old anti-feminist lyrics like “can’t change the world by blaming men”
Why exactly does Paramore/Hayley Willams deserve to be in the Punk hall of fame?
Woke points count more that legit punkness at that pathetic travesty Fat Mike is doing. If anyone were to ask me, “what does the antithesis of punk look like?” I would say, look at the two dweebs in this video.
I love paramore and love Hayley. But what hes saying its true. If you had a problem with a comment/attitude, you just dont sit with them hand hand out.
He did nothing wrong. Learn to take a joke. Paramour sucks and deserves to be made fun of. Also, Fat Mike, I still never got my refund for the cancelled Punk in Drublic in Austin. Come on, they're starting student loans back up, man.
i was dying laughing after that rimjob comment :D
Fat mike youre a legend, NOFX for life. Dont apologize for who you are, if ppl cant handle your humor they shall piss off
I love u your one of my Childhood heroes
So sexual comments to women is funny??? yikes
In short, she can't take a joke and she takes her self to seriously. Copy 😁👍 I concur.
The point is in a scene that is supposed to be about acceptance it's not cool to talk about the weakest person in the group sticking their tongue up your ass.
wow finally a good finn video and its cuz he barley talks!
You almost had it
FAT MIKE AND NOFX NEED NOT APOLIGIZE PUNK ROCK FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!
NOFX change my life Fat Mike is a fucking poetist and funny person if someone don't get it to bad
Now it is trendy to be offended by something.
So basically Paramore is going on tour and to get press for being irreverent for the past 15 years Hayley decided to hop on the bandwagon.
Paramore is still one of the most popular bands, you are just living under a rock or what
Hayley was asked about sexism in the scene and literally mentioned Fat Mike in passing as an example in part of a much larger discussion. Also Paramore have being incredibly successful their entire career.
@@victortejada2755 Band fell off after Josh left
Irrelevant 😂😂 they just dude the Super Bowl party in Arizona and kicked off the Taylor Swift Era’s Tour
Dude they're are so much bigger then NOFX lol what kind of cope are you on?
Complaining about someone using naughty words is very punk rock.
Why would Paramore have anything anywhere near the Punk Rock Museum? They aren't even slightly punk!
There's virtually nothing punk about Paramore, Hailey is basically just another popstar with a mall goth anesthetic
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t there a bit of an age gap when he made that comment? That would be the only thing that would be a little off
yeah, I remember that was the main controversy. However, not justifying that sort of thing...fat mike looked at her as an established mature well self made person and the gap in their ages was not even thought of. But yeah, that is the only thing I can think that makes this implicating...but then again, I also think it's an endorsement of respect. I love fat mike and nofx and when it comes to these sort of social interactions, I remain unbiased, but I truly believe this.