Undead at 20~ hp. Calls out to Wizard in the back, "Get it ready!!!" Warlock runs into large group of enemies, Wizard casts Fireball. Necrotic blast, Fireball... Undying hobbles out of smoke.
I plsytest it those days and boy i love it! Now 2lvl in cleric of twilight for sanctuary and heavy armor and martial weapon prof, and 6lvl in undead warlock with polearm-paktweapon+mastery, devils sight and darkness+ Form if dread 😍🤗
My understanding is by level 6 you can do 2d10+5 damage per beam of eldritch blast... seems a *little* strong. Maybe changing it so you can’t buff the damage of things you change to necrotic damage could solve this.
Lord Soth does not suffer the ridicule of fools. Lord Soth is quick to anger, yet can be quite slow to act... Your insolence has been noted. Beware future dealings with or within the ShadowFell where He is at His most malignant. For when you find your guard wanes only then will He make His intentions known! ....even now, His grasp extends to the Prime Material Plane & His Pact-Minions move amongst you. Perhaps even amongst your party members? Only when they act (or perhaps seemingly fail to...?) will you know that your end has been imminently circling ever closer until the very moment of your carefully culminated corruption!
@@robertcox9871 Yeah, but the Mists pulled him into the Demiplane of Dread and gave him his own realm for awhile. He actually escaped and got back to Krynn later.
Dragon's make for excellent patrons period, if you ask me. My hexblade has a shadow dragon patron. One of the cool things about dragon patrons is that your typical adventurer isn't much different from a dragon. They go around collecting hoards of treasure so the pact can simply be that: to gather a hoard of treasure and not spend more from it than you add. The DM can easily create hooks that tie things together with your pact. That holy avenger needed by the Paladin to slay the BBEG? "A fine addition to my collection", thinks the shadow dragon as it is happy merely being in the presence of such treasure. Specifically for shadow dragon's, you can make it so that it also likes consuming essence of the shadowfell which can be said to reside within undead (I know it's the plane of negative energy, but there's at least an overlap between the two). Also, shadow pseudo-dragon familiars are cute as heck. Just homebrew them so that they can turn invisible and "become one with their own shadow".
I just want to point out that Warlock's don't automatically know the spells from their expanded spell list. It just adds the spells to their spell list, they still have to select them when they level up.
DnD Detective He means not many classes have access to the spell. I like how you are trying to explain the rules of dnd to the people that work for Dnd/ Dnd beyond. Wow lol
for a Dracolich patron go for the Creeping Doom, or by his true name Daurgothoth. the strongest of all dracolich blessed by Mystra to keep inventing new spells. but in contrast for what i want for this subclass, i would want it to have medium armor and martial weapon proficiency, it would make it a true contestant for a melee build for warlocks. imagine a Undead warlock running around in bone armor and with a scythe (Glaive) :D
pact of blade warlocks (which is what I assume you would pick up if you wanted a melee warlock build) can essentially give themselves proficiency with any weapon and armor. Your pact weapon you are automatically proficient with and can turn into any melee weapon, while the eldritch armor invocation allows you to become proficient with any armor you magically don. So you can have your bone armor and scythe with this subclass :D
@@williamings773 jep it is, but UA is still not certain and subject to change. they put the UA out to play test things, some make it into books some does not, it all depends on the reviews we give. it where from Nov last year. but from what i heard the book after the next one with the ice queen, will be a book a bit like XGtE with subclasses and feats. so we can only hope we get it there. and i see a patterns that they are making psychic and undead themed subclasses atm, so the book after that might be a horror themed book.
The visual of a person who has ghostly features and powers was my first thought when reading the Form of Dread feature. You're not a servant of a distant undead entity, you share your body with a ghost and struggle for control, which manifests in these short transformations.
Not gonna lie, this feels like more of a Shadowfell patron than the Hexblade ever was... mostly because it actually uses SHADOWY and FELL magic. So, yeah, color me interested.
What happens if someone uses spirit projection and the spirit and body are both hit by fireball? It mentions that both gain resistance but doesn't say if the HPs are linked or separate. Would you take double damage? Would they get hurt separately and the soul HP doesn't matter as long as it doesn't go to zero?
Looking at the difference between the Undead and the Undying I feel like any theme that falls into avoiding death is what you get for an Undying Warlock, where an Undead Warlock is very much tied to specifically undead creatures. So like, I could see an Undying Warlock being a psuedo Sorcerous Origin where a cosmic or technological disaster ended up putting you down that road. Undead pacts are very deliberate moves made by an ancient entity.
Been wanting to play a Skeleton "knight". A paladin that died in battle centuries ago. And through "back story" reasons has awaken to find themselves in a tomb. They have sentient thought but can't remember their past. And they don't register as "Undead" nor "living" but something in between. Would be a fun race to RP and delve into why this might happen. Just something that's been pinging around in my head for a while.
I did too wonder when i looked at the level 6th feature. when i noticed i figured many might be confused and one way i thought to clearly make it seem powerful still but less confusing. I figured maybe only rolling one more eldritch blast beam or 1 more dice per casting of the spell. so at level 1 it would be treated as it was lv 5 for amount of damage. Also like other abilities they limit the extra damage to only one of the attacks. One way i possible see fixing some confusing tactics some may have with the ability.
I love this for a very specific warlock build. Entertainer background tome lock with Shillelagh, and either green flame blade or booming blade. Main weapon is a fancy cane/club and his patron is Jack Skellington.
So how would you describe the 2 different paths(undying an undead)? Imo looks like undying is in search of immortality either thru means of lichery(vecna), or thru ascension(gilgeam the demigod) tho point is by any means necessary good or bad. However undead looks to focus on the darker aspect as in an undead.
Only in your form of dread, and it doesn't double the damage, you roll an extra damage dice, you could double it or you could do 1 extra damage, sorcerers can twin firebolt and then quicken firebolt, is that broken? are battlemasters broken? people see an extra damage dice and think it's automatically broken, it isn't, I think a spell like vampiric touch gets more out of grave touched and later on spirit projection, Vampiric touch deals damage and heals you for half the amount of damage, grave touched increases both and spirit projection makes it so you would heal the full amount of damage you did (heal half the damage dealt from vampiric touch and half from spirit projection. From what I can tell the Undead patron Warlock isn't about doing huge damage (although it has some good options) it is more about survivability and control.
@@thefracturedbutwhole5475 it sorta feels like it’s built to compete with the power of hexblade (which is okay but really hexblade should just get fixed). I don’t think it’s going to make the average persons build that much stronger, it’ll make them do some extra damage a couple times a day, but for a sorlock mix max it’s definitely gonna increase the damage. This brings a eldritch blast plus quickened eldritch blast at 6th level from (1d10+5)*2*2 (~42) to (2d10+5)*2*2 (64) which is definitely significantly stronger. This obviously only applies to people looking to break the game and maximize damage, but the sorlock isn’t exactly an obscure idea and is still a somewhat cool idea- even if you aren’t looking to min max your way to endless eldritch blasting. All that said, the best way to solve it IMO is just change it to say “this can only apply to one roll of the spell” or “once per turn you can roll one extra dice....” which should solve the issue ( still a pretty good pick but not nearly as op) without sacrificing too much for casual players. I think such a change would be hardly noticed by casual players, at least in how the game plays out, but would solve the min maxing problem. Anyhow, I get where your coming from, but the warlock is generally the component to the terribly strong blasters (due to eldritch blast) and currently the way it’s worked in it benefits those types of min maxed blasters the most
I had a Wild Soul Sorcerer who was a zombie. She died as a young adventurer, and was revived by some mysterious force. I would love to change her to an Undead Warlock, with a few levels in, maybe Sorcerer again, to signify the class she was when she was alive. The potential multiclass flavor of this subclass is amazing.
I've been using an Artificer Lich as a patron for my Hexblade in a campaign but I like the idea of going pact of the blade on this. Take that one shield feat from the UA that lets you use a shield freely and use it as a spell focus and you've got a nice setup for a creepy dark warrior.
I love it. I'm a fan of everything undeath, so this easily pleases me. I do feel like it does cross paths with the undying in terms of pact origin, which is something we haven't seen, but I'm not against it. Anyway, here are my thoughts. for the spell list, although false life is very thematic, i doubt many people would choose it over armor of agathys. phantasmal steed is fantastic and i would take it 100% of the time despite its use being very situational for a warlock's limited casting. extra damage in dread form for spells like vampiric touch or enervation is *chef kiss*. the extra damage for an eldritch blaster is strong at lower levels, but ends up being about the same as hex blade's curse. though, you can use your form of dread twice as much initially, and 6 times as often by 17th level. I like the imagery of mortal husk, but I don't understand why your body would explode; it's not a very common undead ability. I think it would be more thematic to have your soul, being so suffused with necrotic energy, lash out before returning to your mortal husk and filling it with stolen life. having the soul or spirit do this would also lead nicely into the next ability, spirit projection. also, to make it less tailored towards melee warlocks, you could have the damage upon death target the thing that took you down. can you use spirit projection continuously? I'm imagining a warlock who keeps their body in a lead-lined adamantine coffin that they drag around and only interact in ghost form. please let this be true.
Grave Touched makes this subclass better than Hexblade for Eldritch Blasting, but it's harder to dip for a Sorlock so you really need to go full Warlock in a campaign where you can get the Illusionist's Bracers to maximize it. Math below: At Lvl 6: Attack Bonus (8), Target AC (15). Activate Form of Dread just before starting combat. Turn 1: Hex, Eldritch Blast 2x (Avg DPR = 28.75 / 42 with Elven Accuracy Advantage). Turn 2: Using Illusionist's Bracers for double Cantrips (Avg DPR = 57.5 / 84.1 with Adv) At Lvl 11: Attack Bonus (9), Target AC (17). Same setup with Eldritch Blast 3x. Turn 1 (43.1 / 63.1). Turn 2 (86.25 / 126.25). At Lvl 17: Attack Bonus (11), Target AC (19). Same setup with Eldritch Blast 4x. Turn 1 (53.6 / 82.9). Turn 2 (107.2 / 165.8)
I made a warlock for my brother who wanted to try D&D and he wanted to be a evil Necromancer and I told him this is it, with the summon undead spell from Tasha’s Cauldron of Everything and him being a Dimpirr as a lesser vampyr
Hey guys I’m new, when picking a patron can we make one up that isn’t as powerful like a dracolich instead of choosing a named patron or how does this work
A game on Ravnica benefits greatly from this subclass, because four Guilds dip their toes into the undeath pond. Sure, the Orzhov Syndicate could support Celestial Warlocks, they've got angels, and the Cult of Rakdos is literally a demonic cult, so Archfiend Warlocks are in. But all four Black-colored Guilds have undead. The Orzhov Syndicate is (or was) run by a council of ghosts. Zombies, vampires, and liches abound. It's a good place to be an Undead Warlock.
I REALLLY want te Alchemist Artificer to get an update that takes the idea from Grave Touched! They should totally be able to switch their spell damage to their limited damage list!! this one change would fix a ton of its issues with cantrip/damage battle output. since it would let them use all the cantrips.. like the debuff ones! That, and then double up the elixirs (make them equal to profiency in alchemist class) and 1 spell = remake the elixir amount.. class be perfect then. though gravy would be spell list alterations (prayer of healing for one)
Once I found this I quickly realized that my warlock paladin would fit this nicely because they actually cursed themselves through a friend so that when they die they'd become a deathknight & this curse is what makes them a warlock
Assuming they publish it and make it official. :-( Until then, that's the one thing that puts the Undying "above" (for lack of a better term) the Undead Warlock. :-(
Only if they publish gish cantrips in the same book. Something a LOT of people miss about Undying is access to Green Flame Blade and Booming Blade. Something Hexblade doesn't have, for instance.
@@blacklion8307 thats a barbarians rage damage, meaning they're getting half damage from mundane damage while that happens, and even then it scales. Grave touched doesnt, it only gains a single die when you are using your dream form. If you remove the OP eldritch blast interaction its good but it'll taper off.
Level 20 Undead Warlock (20 Charisma) using Eldritch Blast with Invocations: Agonizing Blast, Eldritch Spear [Range 300'], Lance of Lethargy 4 Beams = 2d10+5 per Beam = Min 7 Necrotic per Beam ||| Max 25 Necrotic per Beam
I don't like the level 14 ability in regards to theme, if I want to play a vampire character, or have a vampire patron, having myself leave my body like a ghost... that just doesn't work.
I understand that mechanically this 2 are very different and apparently quite a few people preffer the undead patron over the undying patron... but lorewise... what is really the difference? can't the same entity be either? It was mentioned that the undying is very associated with liches and liches are undead... so I fail to see from a lore point of view what differentiates one from the other.
My understanding is that the Undying focuses on "undeath as immortality", which is why its features deal with being very difficult to kill and why it's associated with liches specifically. The Undead is applicable to undead more generally, with features involving fear amd necrotic damage.
@@elekbuday81 that is thematically, but my question goes to for example, acererak is a lich yet he is suggested as an undead patron. from a lore point of view he can be either or, so there isnt really much of a difference between them from a lore standpoint.
While there is overlap the Undying focuses on the extension of life when it comes to necromancy while Undead focuses on pure negative energy. An Undying warlock might make a deal with a powerful necromancer to apply runes to extend their life but might not have the raw necrotic energy to actually make you into an Undead warlock. Meanwhile an Undead warlock might make a deal with a Nightwalker to become saturated with necrotic energy like a sponge, but a nightwalker doesn’t have the abilities nor the want to necessarily extend and safeguard another being’s life.
@@r.0.b.429 The only case I can think of of an Undying patron that wouldnt qualify as an undead is one prologing their life through the clone spell... and that is a very impractical and expensive approach (Not discarding it, just pointing how unlikely it becomes after a while)... So I would say that basically most of the undying patrons are contained within the undead patrons. Again, i dont disagree that they are mechanically and thematically diferent, just that I dont see much difference between them from a patron's lore point of view.
One of the next characters i want to play (ive been a DM for many groups, my chances are low to be a PC sigh...but) i want to make a pumpkin headed jack magelock of the raven queen, using an undead aspect of warlock like this as the base
Gith, bard lore/ undead lock summoner style(and generally support.) I follow Vlaakith as my "patron." Been a pot of fun. Only 6 lvls lock and 14 bard to cherry pick spells and it just worked out that way.
Agonizing Blast and lvl 6 with a Charisma of 20 means for one action you can do 4d10+10 necrotic damage WITH A CANTRIP and you can do that as many times as you have actions to cast it. that is something I can see needing toned down.
The level 14 feature feels... meh, i'd rather have something else,like the level one feature going permanant or on an off switch, regardless it feels like something is missing
Exactly!! As a vampire fan, everything works until the capstone. How am I supposed to flavor this? Especially with that melee bladelock in mind. Really disappointing, so much so I might multiclass to paladin for 10 levels
Grave Touched makes this super powerful. Grab a few sorc levels for Quickened and you and you can do more damage than almost anything else on a single spell
As a DM, I don't think Grave Touched is broken but it is certainly strong. I think I would tweak it to the first time you hit a given creature in a round, you get the extra die.
Undead blade pact Warlock drow. With Elven Accuracy and focus on EB invocations after devil's sight and improved pact weapon with hex. That is 17 avg per bolt or 16 per blade if a D8 base. Not bad for a cantrip and 1st lvl combo
You... explode and then reform? You can prevent your own death? This just seems like The Undying all over again. They need to be more distinct than this. The only thing they should share is RAISE DEAD. WHY is Raise Dead not on the expanded spell list? I can flash vampire face but I can't create thralls? This subclass is a huge thematic miss for me.
Well golly gee there guys, could you maybe, perhaps, when you get the opportunity, put the link to the pdf in the description instead of a boatload of advertising? That'd be very helpful.
Does anyone know the difference between undying and undead patrons? The names imply that one has achieved immortality and can’t die and the other has already died and came back. But both subclasses use liches as examples as patrons, who I’d think would only count as undying patrons.
Liches are immortal and have stayed off death, but they are considered undead at the same time. They basically became immortal by making themselves undead.
absolutely! except with your spells refreshing on a short rest, you'd have an army. cast, rest, cast, rest... at level 11, you'd create 5 undead with each casting, 3 castings per hour, and in a single day you'd have 360 undead minions. imagine if your dm used this against you.
Fear effects don’t give you advantage on attack rolls against the frightened target so there is no synergy with elven accuracy. You should use a greataxe not a great sword so that at 6th level you do 4d12+8 (34) with thirsting blade or 4d12+28 (54) with GWM. It basically makes your great axe always crit if it hits. Compare to Eldrich blast on a normal warlock 2d10 +8 (19) and you see that it does around twice the damage without a feat and substantially more than that with one. Under perfect conditions you could be dealing upwards of 6d12+42 (81) if you hit all three attacks and drop at least one target allowing you to use your bonus action. This seems a little stronger than the other pacts.
Derian David that is correct until you get to add another damage die with the grave touched feature. It only allows you to add one extra damage die so a great sword attack would be 3d6 (10.5) while a great axe would be 2d12 (13)
I would have to continue arguing that this is too similar too the Undying warlock, and that I’d love to see more unique warlocks later. After all, a couple of the features of the two are quite similar and the expanded spell lists have nearly half their spells in common.
Wait, does Mortal Husk mean you don't need to worry about running out of breath underwater? What about poison clouds from traps or spells? And in the warlock considered an undead by spells or is just a magically mutated human, so to speak?
I'll answer in order. 1. Correct. 2. I assume so, unless otherwise stated (like with Cloudkill) (check with your dm just to be sure). 3. They are still considered humanoids (or whatever race they are since the Hexblood from Van Richten's makes your character a fey) for the purpose if spells.
On whther the additional necrotic damage is OP for Eldritch Blast, at 17th the Warlock could do 100 damage max to a target or 25 to 4 (crits are an option). At 17th, a Wizard can Fireball ~ 16x a day (with Arcane Recovery), which does guarunteed damage and can melt large swathes of enemies. 16 Fireballs at various levels will probs be far more than enough for an average day's combat, so I don't feel it's OP. Also this class loses out on some of the utility or healing of other Warlock patrons.
This one seems to be more about dealing damage through borrowed necromancy, where the undying is more about surviving through borrowed necromancy. I'd love to play a warlock who has a deal with one of his ancient ghost ancestors, or even just... a ghost kid who just wants a friend.
The exotica hits a new level. Some would say that it's a new low. Of course the flavor is awesome, but these rules are adding more of a random feeling and an incoherence somewhere between the view of what's happening in the game (and why) and the numbers. Perhaps people are losing sight of the storytelling for the lurching of mechanics.
Then we got the Undying and this... while all of it could have been done on a guide for adjusting potential Warlock flavors and we would have been spared the game mechanics, the benefits of those to the game basically achieved already by existing resources. I actually really like the Hexblade, though I see how potb could have simply had more options and all the benefits of hb could have been there
Personally I'm not feeling this one, there are invocations that just give you False Life and Speak with Dead, not to mention that a lot of things are resistant or immune to necrotic damage. Assuming when you 'go ghost' you're not just going somewhere on your own and are instead buffing yourself for a dungeon, surely that means someone else in your party has to carry your limp body around or just hide it in a crate outside where someone could just find it.The whole exploding when you drop to 0 thing could also be potentially really harmful to your friends if, as a bladelock, you're close to the frontlines. I really hope I'm looking at this the wrong way, I was very disappointed in the Undying warlock and I just wanna play a Warlock who's trying to become a lich with necromantic powers.
While your complaints are valid, i think there is a bit of an issue woth the wording. For the "going ghost" ability, you can teleport your body to you when it ends, so you can hide it outside the dungeon or at an inn or something, and call ot to you when the ability is done. The necrotoc damage is optional, and you can choose to do the normal damage for the attack if something resists. However, i do agree with the redundant options on the expanded spell list and the husk ability hurting allies. I think this subclass is in a pretty rough draft right now (with those over and underpowered options and the redundant spells), but to me, it definitely has potential
@@DracoRoma the best part is knowing they're remaking the Undying patron. The abilities are cool, some things are underpowered (see many soells of the list) some things are OP (in a fight where the enemy isn't resistant to necrotic your basic EB will deal 2d10+CHA on each shot). Also, you could leave your body at the inn, but you can stay like this for an hour. So it will end before you get to an important fight. It could probably be placed in a bag of holding (or similar), since you don't need to breathe and you cam bamf it out when you lose concentration.
@@giorgiomauceri410 I totally agree. I think the flavor for undying is fine in its own way, but this is a much more offensive class. My perspective is that it just seems a bit rougher draft than a lot of other UAs (OP in some ways and UP in others), but i'm excited to see where it goes
in which way is this subclass underpowered? I honestly think it get's pretty strong pretty early I honestly wish this class was a variant of the undying with features that could be swapped or even an expansion to that template. There are beautiful features here but I think it's too over the place in mechanics and lore as it's currently written (specially since it has the whole issue of resembling undying too much flavorwise).
@@Booklat1 I don't think the subclass as a whole is underpowered, i think certain features are. While the husk ability certainly can deal some massive damage to opponents, you could also severely harm allies with it. I do love the idea of this being an option for undying tho. And I think it works woth the customizability they're adding in with class variants. Overall, I just think this needs work, because right now, it's really powerful with some glaring weaknesses.
I like the. Sub class but honestly but I am in love with the swordcoast the races and sub classes I honest hate the when I want to play the I have to manually. Enter them in roll20. What I normally play on. So I end up not playing them
Sadly there is no patron for dragons specifically, but I could easily imagine an ancient bronze dragon would make an excellent lurker in the deep patron
@@yanderenejoyer Yeah but I was wanting something more in line with a patron that bestowed dragon based abilities. Kinda like how a Sororcer does the same with the Dragonblooded. And yeah one could play a multiclass but what I really want is just a patronic spin on a dragon as a patron. That's ok, the DMSGuild has plenty of homebrewed ideas until there is an official one. Or maybe I'll homebrew my own and put it online.
@@greglong7170 I see what you mean. But the thing with a dragon patron is just... what would it offer? It can't be too similar to sorcerer. There's also like, 12+ dragons. I like to flavor existing patrons. Archfey has some green dragon taste, fiend has red dragon hints, if it wasn't for the last ability. Anyways, maybe it does have a place. I'll play with the concept too, sounds fun.
@@yanderenejoyer Dragon like abilities? I find it hard to believe that the Sorcerer has cornered the market on dragon inspired themes and that if folks sat down they couldn't find a list of dragon themed ideas that they could do for the Warlock. It's not like the Warlock hasn't overlapped with other classes, such as the Cleric in which several Patrons share themes with Domains and both the Undying and Undead share themes with a Death Cleric or a Necromancer. Plus you wouldn't need one for every dragon. Pretty much all of the Patrons, as it currently stands, has more than one person from which you can draw power from. The Fiend has like hundreds of Fiends to pick from. Both the Undying and Undead have lots of Patrons to choose from. The Otherwordly has the ENTIRETY of the Cthulhu mythos to draw from. The Sorcerer is just one way to do dragon themes and the game has plenty of overlap that allows people to play a variety of similar themes across all kinds of different classes so that you aren't locked into one specific class to play a character with.
@3:45 Warlock extended spells are not always available. You just get to choose them as an option when you are selecting spells.
Wonder if I could take Taliesin Jaffee as my character patron
Is it just me or does it feel like both these Archetypes were designed by/for Taliesin?
I'd allow it.
I mean I think Tal is a GOO but I could see justifying Undead. Lol
How about Sam Riegel LMFAO!!!
@@levgoldiner3098 Sam is obviously an Archfey.
Meanwhile Tal is clearly an undying.
Undead at 20~ hp.
Calls out to Wizard in the back, "Get it ready!!!"
Warlock runs into large group of enemies, Wizard casts Fireball. Necrotic blast, Fireball... Undying hobbles out of smoke.
Undead*
@@NxtGenDragon Thanks, I didn't notice until you pointed it out.
I am playing an undying warlock and BOY does this look good. I cant wait to switch to this instead.
I really hope this gets published and becomes official.
I plsytest it those days and boy i love it!
Now 2lvl in cleric of twilight for sanctuary and heavy armor and martial weapon prof, and 6lvl in undead warlock with polearm-paktweapon+mastery, devils sight and darkness+ Form if dread 😍🤗
My understanding is by level 6 you can do 2d10+5 damage per beam of eldritch blast... seems a *little* strong. Maybe changing it so you can’t buff the damage of things you change to necrotic damage could solve this.
Lord Soth does not suffer the ridicule of fools. Lord Soth is quick to anger, yet can be quite slow to act... Your insolence has been noted. Beware future dealings with or within the ShadowFell where He is at His most malignant. For when you find your guard wanes only then will He make His intentions known!
....even now, His grasp extends to the Prime Material Plane & His Pact-Minions move amongst you. Perhaps even amongst your party members? Only when they act (or perhaps seemingly fail to...?) will you know that your end has been imminently circling ever closer until the very moment of your carefully culminated corruption!
Lord Soth isn't that from dragonlance?
@@robertcox9871 Yeah, but the Mists pulled him into the Demiplane of Dread and gave him his own realm for awhile. He actually escaped and got back to Krynn later.
There’s a Dracolich in explorer’s guide to wildemount who’d make a cool patron
go for Daurgothoth The Creeping Doom, Black dragon lich.
the strongest of all dracolich blessed by Mystra
@@32Loveless50 I think Greyhawk had some undead former consort of Tiamat. That could be an awesome Dracolich.
Dragon's make for excellent patrons period, if you ask me. My hexblade has a shadow dragon patron. One of the cool things about dragon patrons is that your typical adventurer isn't much different from a dragon. They go around collecting hoards of treasure so the pact can simply be that: to gather a hoard of treasure and not spend more from it than you add. The DM can easily create hooks that tie things together with your pact. That holy avenger needed by the Paladin to slay the BBEG? "A fine addition to my collection", thinks the shadow dragon as it is happy merely being in the presence of such treasure. Specifically for shadow dragon's, you can make it so that it also likes consuming essence of the shadowfell which can be said to reside within undead (I know it's the plane of negative energy, but there's at least an overlap between the two).
Also, shadow pseudo-dragon familiars are cute as heck. Just homebrew them so that they can turn invisible and "become one with their own shadow".
Yeah I’m playing a undead warlock who’s a Dragonborn who’s patron is a dracolich that is one of his ancient ancestors. It’s pretty epic
I just want to point out that Warlock's don't automatically know the spells from their expanded spell list. It just adds the spells to their spell list, they still have to select them when they level up.
I think they know that lol
@@TVMAN1997 @3:45 Evidently not (when he says antilife shell is "always available").
DnD Detective
He means not many classes have access to the spell.
I like how you are trying to explain the rules of dnd to the people that work for Dnd/ Dnd beyond. Wow lol
The Undying: You can not kill me
The Undead: Death will not stop me
for a Dracolich patron go for the Creeping Doom, or by his true name Daurgothoth.
the strongest of all dracolich blessed by Mystra to keep inventing new spells.
but in contrast for what i want for this subclass, i would want it to have medium armor and martial weapon proficiency, it would make it a true contestant for a melee build for warlocks.
imagine a Undead warlock running around in bone armor and with a scythe (Glaive) :D
pact of blade warlocks (which is what I assume you would pick up if you wanted a melee warlock build) can essentially give themselves proficiency with any weapon and armor. Your pact weapon you are automatically proficient with and can turn into any melee weapon, while the eldritch armor invocation allows you to become proficient with any armor you magically don. So you can have your bone armor and scythe with this subclass :D
jep wish we get eldritch armor in one of the next books, and with other new invocations also.
@@32Loveless50 I think it is part of the Variant Class Features UA.
@@williamings773 jep it is, but UA is still not certain and subject to change.
they put the UA out to play test things, some make it into books some does not, it all depends on the reviews we give.
it where from Nov last year.
but from what i heard the book after the next one with the ice queen, will be a book a bit like XGtE with subclasses and feats.
so we can only hope we get it there.
and i see a patterns that they are making psychic and undead themed subclasses atm, so the book after that might be a horror themed book.
I hope wildfire druid stays...
This new Warlock SCREAMS Talion from Shadow of Mordor.
THATS SUCH A GOOD COMPARISON
ODWENNO O GWATH
The visual of a person who has ghostly features and powers was my first thought when reading the Form of Dread feature. You're not a servant of a distant undead entity, you share your body with a ghost and struggle for control, which manifests in these short transformations.
3 Level dip in echo knight makes it better. Can't wait to use this
Not gonna lie, this feels like more of a Shadowfell patron than the Hexblade ever was... mostly because it actually uses SHADOWY and FELL magic.
So, yeah, color me interested.
What happens if someone uses spirit projection and the spirit and body are both hit by fireball? It mentions that both gain resistance but doesn't say if the HPs are linked or separate. Would you take double damage? Would they get hurt separately and the soul HP doesn't matter as long as it doesn't go to zero?
I think that it'd work like meteor swarm, where you can't get hit more than once during the spell even if you're hit by multiple meteors.
Looking at the difference between the Undead and the Undying I feel like any theme that falls into avoiding death is what you get for an Undying Warlock, where an Undead Warlock is very much tied to specifically undead creatures. So like, I could see an Undying Warlock being a psuedo Sorcerous Origin where a cosmic or technological disaster ended up putting you down that road. Undead pacts are very deliberate moves made by an ancient entity.
The capstone feature, for me, changes this from blade lock into:
B.P.R.D.'s Johann Kraus, from Hellboy
That was actually the correct way to pronounce 'melee'. Such a rare thing to hear the correct pronunciation of that word on UA-cam!
This is certainly a Warlock version of the Phoenix Sorcerer
I'm impatiently waiting for this to be added to DND Beyond lol
Would love to see a Pumpkin King or some sort of Undead with a pumpkin flavoring as a Patron. Throwing fire and necrotic energy.
So undead and undying, interesting. Would love to have it where an entity gives you power, but gives you either form, like roll to determine which.
This made me think of the crew of The Black Pearl, from the first Pirates of the Caribbean film
Been wanting to play a Skeleton "knight". A paladin that died in battle centuries ago. And through "back story" reasons has awaken to find themselves in a tomb. They have sentient thought but can't remember their past. And they don't register as "Undead" nor "living" but something in between. Would be a fun race to RP and delve into why this might happen. Just something that's been pinging around in my head for a while.
I did too wonder when i looked at the level 6th feature. when i noticed i figured many might be confused and one way i thought to clearly make it seem powerful still but less confusing. I figured maybe only rolling one more eldritch blast beam or 1 more dice per casting of the spell. so at level 1 it would be treated as it was lv 5 for amount of damage. Also like other abilities they limit the extra damage to only one of the attacks. One way i possible see fixing some confusing tactics some may have with the ability.
This seems like a good foundation for a Renfield like character.
I plan to do that very thing.
So, anybody else want to grab the Agonizing Blast invocation while playing an Undead Warlock?
Conquest paladin undead warlock sounds crazy
I love this for a very specific warlock build. Entertainer background tome lock with Shillelagh, and either green flame blade or booming blade. Main weapon is a fancy cane/club and his patron is Jack Skellington.
So how would you describe the 2 different paths(undying an undead)? Imo looks like undying is in search of immortality either thru means of lichery(vecna), or thru ascension(gilgeam the demigod) tho point is by any means necessary good or bad. However undead looks to focus on the darker aspect as in an undead.
The undead is just your patron. You yourself can be in search of undying
Imagine releasing a subclass that doubles the damage from eldritch blast.
Only in your form of dread, and it doesn't double the damage, you roll an extra damage dice, you could double it or you could do 1 extra damage, sorcerers can twin firebolt and then quicken firebolt, is that broken? are battlemasters broken? people see an extra damage dice and think it's automatically broken, it isn't, I think a spell like vampiric touch gets more out of grave touched and later on spirit projection, Vampiric touch deals damage and heals you for half the amount of damage, grave touched increases both and spirit projection makes it so you would heal the full amount of damage you did (heal half the damage dealt from vampiric touch and half from spirit projection.
From what I can tell the Undead patron Warlock isn't about doing huge damage (although it has some good options) it is more about survivability and control.
@@thefracturedbutwhole5475 it sorta feels like it’s built to compete with the power of hexblade (which is okay but really hexblade should just get fixed). I don’t think it’s going to make the average persons build that much stronger, it’ll make them do some extra damage a couple times a day, but for a sorlock mix max it’s definitely gonna increase the damage. This brings a eldritch blast plus quickened eldritch blast at 6th level from (1d10+5)*2*2 (~42) to (2d10+5)*2*2 (64) which is definitely significantly stronger. This obviously only applies to people looking to break the game and maximize damage, but the sorlock isn’t exactly an obscure idea and is still a somewhat cool idea- even if you aren’t looking to min max your way to endless eldritch blasting. All that said, the best way to solve it IMO is just change it to say “this can only apply to one roll of the spell” or “once per turn you can roll one extra dice....” which should solve the issue ( still a pretty good pick but not nearly as op) without sacrificing too much for casual players. I think such a change would be hardly noticed by casual players, at least in how the game plays out, but would solve the min maxing problem. Anyhow, I get where your coming from, but the warlock is generally the component to the terribly strong blasters (due to eldritch blast) and currently the way it’s worked in it benefits those types of min maxed blasters the most
I do like the idea of pairing an Undead Blade Warlock with Zealot Barbarian
I'm compiling a list of Theros Warlock hooks and this is perfect.
I had a Wild Soul Sorcerer who was a zombie. She died as a young adventurer, and was revived by some mysterious force. I would love to change her to an Undead Warlock, with a few levels in, maybe Sorcerer again, to signify the class she was when she was alive. The potential multiclass flavor of this subclass is amazing.
I love this!!! I feel like this gets back into the roots of warlocks becoming extensions of their patrons.
I've been using an Artificer Lich as a patron for my Hexblade in a campaign but I like the idea of going pact of the blade on this. Take that one shield feat from the UA that lets you use a shield freely and use it as a spell focus and you've got a nice setup for a creepy dark warrior.
Nazgul here i come :)
I love it. I'm a fan of everything undeath, so this easily pleases me. I do feel like it does cross paths with the undying in terms of pact origin, which is something we haven't seen, but I'm not against it. Anyway, here are my thoughts.
for the spell list, although false life is very thematic, i doubt many people would choose it over armor of agathys. phantasmal steed is fantastic and i would take it 100% of the time despite its use being very situational for a warlock's limited casting.
extra damage in dread form for spells like vampiric touch or enervation is *chef kiss*. the extra damage for an eldritch blaster is strong at lower levels, but ends up being about the same as hex blade's curse. though, you can use your form of dread twice as much initially, and 6 times as often by 17th level.
I like the imagery of mortal husk, but I don't understand why your body would explode; it's not a very common undead ability. I think it would be more thematic to have your soul, being so suffused with necrotic energy, lash out before returning to your mortal husk and filling it with stolen life. having the soul or spirit do this would also lead nicely into the next ability, spirit projection. also, to make it less tailored towards melee warlocks, you could have the damage upon death target the thing that took you down.
can you use spirit projection continuously? I'm imagining a warlock who keeps their body in a lead-lined adamantine coffin that they drag around and only interact in ghost form. please let this be true.
YES! Arvin Undead Warlock!
Looks like it’s time to make a new character.
I too have a character that keeps his demi lich grandfather's head .Whom worships him and seeks his guidance
Grave Touched makes this subclass better than Hexblade for Eldritch Blasting, but it's harder to dip for a Sorlock so you really need to go full Warlock in a campaign where you can get the Illusionist's Bracers to maximize it. Math below:
At Lvl 6: Attack Bonus (8), Target AC (15). Activate Form of Dread just before starting combat. Turn 1: Hex, Eldritch Blast 2x (Avg DPR = 28.75 / 42 with Elven Accuracy Advantage). Turn 2: Using Illusionist's Bracers for double Cantrips (Avg DPR = 57.5 / 84.1 with Adv)
At Lvl 11: Attack Bonus (9), Target AC (17). Same setup with Eldritch Blast 3x. Turn 1 (43.1 / 63.1). Turn 2 (86.25 / 126.25).
At Lvl 17: Attack Bonus (11), Target AC (19). Same setup with Eldritch Blast 4x. Turn 1 (53.6 / 82.9). Turn 2 (107.2 / 165.8)
I have really liked the idea of a Dragon Warlock, it reminds me of the first Dragonheart movie.
Also the naked Spirit Warlock could be fun. LOL.
Suddenly I'm looking at King Kaius III in a whole new light. You're a loyal agent of your nation, and he grants you power to better serve Karrnath.
I made a warlock for my brother who wanted to try D&D and he wanted to be a evil Necromancer and I told him this is it, with the summon undead spell from Tasha’s Cauldron of Everything and him being a Dimpirr as a lesser vampyr
Hey guys I’m new, when picking a patron can we make one up that isn’t as powerful like a dracolich instead of choosing a named patron or how does this work
Yes. Always check with your dm just to be safe, but most would love for you to help add to their world.
As a lover of the 3rd edition Dread Necromancer, this patron looks like it's to die for! I cant wair to see the official version.
A game on Ravnica benefits greatly from this subclass, because four Guilds dip their toes into the undeath pond. Sure, the Orzhov Syndicate could support Celestial Warlocks, they've got angels, and the Cult of Rakdos is literally a demonic cult, so Archfiend Warlocks are in. But all four Black-colored Guilds have undead. The Orzhov Syndicate is (or was) run by a council of ghosts. Zombies, vampires, and liches abound. It's a good place to be an Undead Warlock.
I REALLLY want te Alchemist Artificer to get an update that takes the idea from Grave Touched! They should totally be able to switch their spell damage to their limited damage list!!
this one change would fix a ton of its issues with cantrip/damage battle output. since it would let them use all the cantrips.. like the debuff ones!
That, and then double up the elixirs (make them equal to profiency in alchemist class) and 1 spell = remake the elixir amount..
class be perfect then. though gravy would be spell list alterations (prayer of healing for one)
Once I found this I quickly realized that my warlock paladin would fit this nicely because they actually cursed themselves through a friend so that when they die they'd become a deathknight & this curse is what makes them a warlock
The undying warlock is dead, this undead warlock comes to dispose of the rest and take his place
How ironic
Assuming they publish it and make it official. :-( Until then, that's the one thing that puts the Undying "above" (for lack of a better term) the Undead Warlock. :-(
I’d honestly prefer undead
Grave touched kills all of the others balance wise. Double damage from eldritch blast for the first ten rounds of most encounters during the day.
Only if they publish gish cantrips in the same book.
Something a LOT of people miss about Undying is access to Green Flame Blade and Booming Blade. Something Hexblade doesn't have, for instance.
Am I the only one who feels like the extra necrotic damage is crazy?? Like that’s 2d10+CHA two to four times on A CANTRIP?
An easy nerf would just be to have the feature be only able to be used once per turn.
Yeah, I'd change it so you add a d6, maybe a d4.
And even then, I can't help but think about how a Barbarian of the same level only gets +2 Dmg while raging at that Level.
You forgot plus Hex
@@blacklion8307 thats a barbarians rage damage, meaning they're getting half damage from mundane damage while that happens, and even then it scales. Grave touched doesnt, it only gains a single die when you are using your dream form. If you remove the OP eldritch blast interaction its good but it'll taper off.
Level 20 Undead Warlock (20 Charisma) using Eldritch Blast with Invocations: Agonizing Blast, Eldritch Spear [Range 300'], Lance of Lethargy
4 Beams = 2d10+5 per Beam = Min 7 Necrotic per Beam ||| Max 25 Necrotic per Beam
Would this class be able to survive inside items like a bag of holding seeing as it doesn't breathe?
I don't like the level 14 ability in regards to theme, if I want to play a vampire character, or have a vampire patron, having myself leave my body like a ghost... that just doesn't work.
I understand that mechanically this 2 are very different and apparently quite a few people preffer the undead patron over the undying patron... but lorewise... what is really the difference? can't the same entity be either? It was mentioned that the undying is very associated with liches and liches are undead... so I fail to see from a lore point of view what differentiates one from the other.
My understanding is that the Undying focuses on "undeath as immortality", which is why its features deal with being very difficult to kill and why it's associated with liches specifically. The Undead is applicable to undead more generally, with features involving fear amd necrotic damage.
@@elekbuday81 that is thematically, but my question goes to for example, acererak is a lich yet he is suggested as an undead patron. from a lore point of view he can be either or, so there isnt really much of a difference between them from a lore standpoint.
While there is overlap the Undying focuses on the extension of life when it comes to necromancy while Undead focuses on pure negative energy. An Undying warlock might make a deal with a powerful necromancer to apply runes to extend their life but might not have the raw necrotic energy to actually make you into an Undead warlock. Meanwhile an Undead warlock might make a deal with a Nightwalker to become saturated with necrotic energy like a sponge, but a nightwalker doesn’t have the abilities nor the want to necessarily extend and safeguard another being’s life.
@@r.0.b.429 The only case I can think of of an Undying patron that wouldnt qualify as an undead is one prologing their life through the clone spell... and that is a very impractical and expensive approach (Not discarding it, just pointing how unlikely it becomes after a while)... So I would say that basically most of the undying patrons are contained within the undead patrons. Again, i dont disagree that they are mechanically and thematically diferent, just that I dont see much difference between them from a patron's lore point of view.
One of the next characters i want to play (ive been a DM for many groups, my chances are low to be a PC sigh...but) i want to make a pumpkin headed jack magelock of the raven queen, using an undead aspect of warlock like this as the base
Gith, bard lore/ undead lock summoner style(and generally support.) I follow Vlaakith as my "patron." Been a pot of fun. Only 6 lvls lock and 14 bard to cherry pick spells and it just worked out that way.
Agonizing Blast and lvl 6 with a Charisma of 20 means for one action you can do 4d10+10 necrotic damage WITH A CANTRIP and you can do that as many times as you have actions to cast it. that is something I can see needing toned down.
The level 14 feature feels... meh, i'd rather have something else,like the level one feature going permanant or on an off switch, regardless it feels like something is missing
Yeah this ability seems more ghostly whereas the rest seems kinda more zombiey
Exactly!! As a vampire fan, everything works until the capstone. How am I supposed to flavor this? Especially with that melee bladelock in mind. Really disappointing, so much so I might multiclass to paladin for 10 levels
Grave Touched makes this super powerful. Grab a few sorc levels for Quickened and you and you can do more damage than almost anything else on a single spell
I look forward to building out some concepts on beyond with this once it is added
As a DM, I don't think Grave Touched is broken but it is certainly strong. I think I would tweak it to the first time you hit a given creature in a round, you get the extra die.
Woot! Raven queen warlock themed blaster is looking like a darker future!
Lord Soth all the way! Loved this character and story.
Multiclass Sorcerer: Quicken Eldritch Blast + Grave Touch = 16d10+40 damage for 2 sorcery points.
So when can we expect to see this on DDB?
it usually take a few days to max a week for them to implement them, depending on how big of an UA it is.
@@32Loveless50 awesome. Thanks for the Intel my good goblin.
Undead blade pact Warlock drow. With Elven Accuracy and focus on EB invocations after devil's sight and improved pact weapon with hex. That is 17 avg per bolt or 16 per blade if a D8 base. Not bad for a cantrip and 1st lvl combo
My undying warlocks patron is the dracolich Daurgothoth. He is a forgotten realms cannon dracolich
I had a Centaur Undying Warlock whos patron was their Lich father
I would love to play this warlock with Lord Soth or Lord Ausric Krell as my patron in Dragonlance.
You... explode and then reform? You can prevent your own death? This just seems like The Undying all over again. They need to be more distinct than this. The only thing they should share is RAISE DEAD. WHY is Raise Dead not on the expanded spell list? I can flash vampire face but I can't create thralls? This subclass is a huge thematic miss for me.
There was a Dracolich in the novel Spellfire
Well golly gee there guys, could you maybe, perhaps, when you get the opportunity, put the link to the pdf in the description instead of a boatload of advertising? That'd be very helpful.
Does anyone know the difference between undying and undead patrons? The names imply that one has achieved immortality and can’t die and the other has already died and came back. But both subclasses use liches as examples as patrons, who I’d think would only count as undying patrons.
Liches are immortal and have stayed off death, but they are considered undead at the same time.
They basically became immortal by making themselves undead.
The big difference is that you can also use ascended gods as your Undying patron, whereas Undead is strictly for those that are undead.
I just wish you got Animate Dead with your expanded spell list
absolutely! except with your spells refreshing on a short rest, you'd have an army.
cast, rest, cast, rest... at level 11, you'd create 5 undead with each casting, 3 castings per hour, and in a single day you'd have 360 undead minions.
imagine if your dm used this against you.
@@fresh2924 good point. Maybe make it part of one of your abilities
I like the capstone, it reminds me of the necromunger leader in chronicle of riddick
Not as much as the Echo Knight class does.
feels like playable Sylvanas from WoW
I totally see Ludwig from bloodborne either being a hex blade or an undead. This is sick!
Fear effects don’t give you advantage on attack rolls against the frightened target so there is no synergy with elven accuracy. You should use a greataxe not a great sword so that at 6th level you do 4d12+8 (34) with thirsting blade or 4d12+28 (54) with GWM. It basically makes your great axe always crit if it hits. Compare to Eldrich blast on a normal warlock 2d10 +8 (19) and you see that it does around twice the damage without a feat and substantially more than that with one.
Under perfect conditions you could be dealing upwards of 6d12+42 (81) if you hit all three attacks and drop at least one target allowing you to use your bonus action. This seems a little stronger than the other pacts.
Greatsword is 2d6 though so wouldn’t it technically be the same but with a more consistent average
Derian David that is correct until you get to add another damage die with the grave touched feature. It only allows you to add one extra damage die so a great sword attack would be 3d6 (10.5) while a great axe would be 2d12 (13)
When will it be available in the character builder on dnd beyond?
I would have to continue arguing that this is too similar too the Undying warlock, and that I’d love to see more unique warlocks later. After all, a couple of the features of the two are quite similar and the expanded spell lists have nearly half their spells in common.
I was just being sad that there really wasn't any necro type warlock like a week before this came out. Nice.
Wait, does Mortal Husk mean you don't need to worry about running out of breath underwater? What about poison clouds from traps or spells? And in the warlock considered an undead by spells or is just a magically mutated human, so to speak?
I'll answer in order.
1. Correct.
2. I assume so, unless otherwise stated (like with Cloudkill) (check with your dm just to be sure).
3. They are still considered humanoids (or whatever race they are since the Hexblood from Van Richten's makes your character a fey) for the purpose if spells.
On whther the additional necrotic damage is OP for Eldritch Blast, at 17th the Warlock could do 100 damage max to a target or 25 to 4 (crits are an option). At 17th, a Wizard can Fireball ~ 16x a day (with Arcane Recovery), which does guarunteed damage and can melt large swathes of enemies. 16 Fireballs at various levels will probs be far more than enough for an average day's combat, so I don't feel it's OP. Also this class loses out on some of the utility or healing of other Warlock patrons.
It's like they made it for me. Lol. Perfect character option. I would choose this immediately
Todd: “I watch anything with vampires and werewolfs in it”
Me: *gasps* “twilight??!?”
Also love all of the liches
can you go in dread form while your in spirit??
I like undying batter but I always wants to play that warlock
This one seems to be more about dealing damage through borrowed necromancy, where the undying is more about surviving through borrowed necromancy.
I'd love to play a warlock who has a deal with one of his ancient ghost ancestors, or even just... a ghost kid who just wants a friend.
The exotica hits a new level. Some would say that it's a new low. Of course the flavor is awesome, but these rules are adding more of a random feeling and an incoherence somewhere between the view of what's happening in the game (and why) and the numbers. Perhaps people are losing sight of the storytelling for the lurching of mechanics.
felt the same way when hexblade came out instead of an actual fix for existing bladelocks
Then we got the Undying and this... while all of it could have been done on a guide for adjusting potential Warlock flavors and we would have been spared the game mechanics, the benefits of those to the game basically achieved already by existing resources.
I actually really like the Hexblade, though I see how potb could have simply had more options and all the benefits of hb could have been there
What about adding the d10 per target?
So dragonborn warlock for dracolich or take a race with natural attacks for when you go ghost form, hell be an exploding half orc.
You could be like a Hexenbiest & Zauberbiest from Grimm! Witah all that Death Hag vibe hehe
Personally I'm not feeling this one, there are invocations that just give you False Life and Speak with Dead, not to mention that a lot of things are resistant or immune to necrotic damage. Assuming when you 'go ghost' you're not just going somewhere on your own and are instead buffing yourself for a dungeon, surely that means someone else in your party has to carry your limp body around or just hide it in a crate outside where someone could just find it.The whole exploding when you drop to 0 thing could also be potentially really harmful to your friends if, as a bladelock, you're close to the frontlines.
I really hope I'm looking at this the wrong way, I was very disappointed in the Undying warlock and I just wanna play a Warlock who's trying to become a lich with necromantic powers.
While your complaints are valid, i think there is a bit of an issue woth the wording. For the "going ghost" ability, you can teleport your body to you when it ends, so you can hide it outside the dungeon or at an inn or something, and call ot to you when the ability is done. The necrotoc damage is optional, and you can choose to do the normal damage for the attack if something resists. However, i do agree with the redundant options on the expanded spell list and the husk ability hurting allies. I think this subclass is in a pretty rough draft right now (with those over and underpowered options and the redundant spells), but to me, it definitely has potential
@@DracoRoma the best part is knowing they're remaking the Undying patron. The abilities are cool, some things are underpowered (see many soells of the list) some things are OP (in a fight where the enemy isn't resistant to necrotic your basic EB will deal 2d10+CHA on each shot). Also, you could leave your body at the inn, but you can stay like this for an hour. So it will end before you get to an important fight. It could probably be placed in a bag of holding (or similar), since you don't need to breathe and you cam bamf it out when you lose concentration.
@@giorgiomauceri410 I totally agree. I think the flavor for undying is fine in its own way, but this is a much more offensive class. My perspective is that it just seems a bit rougher draft than a lot of other UAs (OP in some ways and UP in others), but i'm excited to see where it goes
in which way is this subclass underpowered? I honestly think it get's pretty strong pretty early
I honestly wish this class was a variant of the undying with features that could be swapped or even an expansion to that template. There are beautiful features here but I think it's too over the place in mechanics and lore as it's currently written (specially since it has the whole issue of resembling undying too much flavorwise).
@@Booklat1 I don't think the subclass as a whole is underpowered, i think certain features are. While the husk ability certainly can deal some massive damage to opponents, you could also severely harm allies with it.
I do love the idea of this being an option for undying tho. And I think it works woth the customizability they're adding in with class variants. Overall, I just think this needs work, because right now, it's really powerful with some glaring weaknesses.
did anyone else think of a night walker or similar creature as a patron for the undead warlock?
All we need now is Wizard School of Necromancy rework
I like the. Sub class but honestly but I am in love with the swordcoast the races and sub classes I honest hate the when I want to play the I have to manually. Enter them in roll20. What I normally play on. So I end up not playing them
Makes me think of Lucifer (TV show) showing his his devil face
Didnt Sword Coast have one of these already?
Speaking of Warlock patrons is there one for Dragons?
Sadly there is no patron for dragons specifically, but I could easily imagine an ancient bronze dragon would make an excellent lurker in the deep patron
Tiamat is a fiend right? That could work.
@@yanderenejoyer Yeah but I was wanting something more in line with a patron that bestowed dragon based abilities. Kinda like how a Sororcer does the same with the Dragonblooded. And yeah one could play a multiclass but what I really want is just a patronic spin on a dragon as a patron.
That's ok, the DMSGuild has plenty of homebrewed ideas until there is an official one. Or maybe I'll homebrew my own and put it online.
@@greglong7170 I see what you mean. But the thing with a dragon patron is just... what would it offer? It can't be too similar to sorcerer. There's also like, 12+ dragons.
I like to flavor existing patrons. Archfey has some green dragon taste, fiend has red dragon hints, if it wasn't for the last ability.
Anyways, maybe it does have a place. I'll play with the concept too, sounds fun.
@@yanderenejoyer Dragon like abilities? I find it hard to believe that the Sorcerer has cornered the market on dragon inspired themes and that if folks sat down they couldn't find a list of dragon themed ideas that they could do for the Warlock. It's not like the Warlock hasn't overlapped with other classes, such as the Cleric in which several Patrons share themes with Domains and both the Undying and Undead share themes with a Death Cleric or a Necromancer.
Plus you wouldn't need one for every dragon. Pretty much all of the Patrons, as it currently stands, has more than one person from which you can draw power from. The Fiend has like hundreds of Fiends to pick from. Both the Undying and Undead have lots of Patrons to choose from. The Otherwordly has the ENTIRETY of the Cthulhu mythos to draw from.
The Sorcerer is just one way to do dragon themes and the game has plenty of overlap that allows people to play a variety of similar themes across all kinds of different classes so that you aren't locked into one specific class to play a character with.
I feel the level 14 ability needs more clarification.
I can see this work with a Fey patron. Just change up the spells a bit and the flavor and your done.