I have 1600 hours in Foxhole and I still remember back when I played for the first time. I was doing things that I shouldn't have been doing which could've been seen as alt behavior. I then met one guy who helped me learn and understand the basics of the game like logistics and basic combat and made myself useful very quickly. He was very patient with me and it was a very positive learning experience. When I see a new player that doesn't know what they're doing and is potentially and unknowingly harming their teammates, it's important to assume that they're just a new player and not an alt. I could've stumbled into the wrong guy when I started playing and it could've gotten me banned and made me quit the game before even playing. Those first interactions with new players are extremely important and is what makes people want to keep or stop playing the game. Great video btw!
Same! I definitely remember going into random players bases and messing around with stuff I shouldn't have. It's unfortunate that a new players experience is left up to chance if they meet a nice person or salty person ha. Wish we had like a set list of players that would be "mentors" or something that new players could see a list of in game if they are online and contact them for help or something ya know? That would be so awesome. Thanks for sharing your experience! And thanks for the kind words!
The problem is the reason people do things they shouldn't do is that it doesn't make sense. Harvesting resources from a field is not harmful to your faction, period. The fact that clans get this idea that claiming a field is a positive behavior and new players that don't understand the claiming system, because it objectively doesn't make sense, being told later that "they shouldn't have been doing that" is a load of crap. A big part of the game is back end logistics, and clans wanting to monopolize resource nodes is counter intuitive to that purpose, period.
The fact that the tutorial never teaches guns are hitscan and has slow tracers is MINDBOGGLING TO ME. I genuinely thought for 50 hours of infantry fighting that all weapons have no accuracy.
Maybe someone should start a clan on each side of the war and call it [Drill Sgts] or something, and primarily help new players with regular "boot camps".
One thing I find is that the revolving door of new players will grind away at your patience. You can explain the same 8 hours of information only so many times to people before you just have to stop. Its bloody exhausting that the devs rely on us to be the game's tutorial.
I agree. I have gotten tired explaining the same logi speech before to a new player. Definitely need something on the home island that helps with this.
We have 3 ~45minute-1hour training sessions you have to do to become a full regi member for ours, one in logistics, infantry and combat engineering (building) everyone has to go through it and a lot of people at least pick up some tips and info. It gets updated every so often and different trainers will put their own spin on the thing but there's still interest. When I first played as a solo player there was someone running training classes on home island and that helped a lot honestly.
I’ve had a fair few really bad experiences sadly with my 200+ hours so far starting back in war 108. The worst was the start of 109, my group claimed and found a good spot for our base. Then, Russian clans within the area all decided in a private discord call that one of their clans claimed that land and all proceeded to evict us without warning a week into the wipe. They just showed up and with broken English we managed to figure out what they wanted. Eventually we compensated if they helped us move and gave us stuff but it sadly broke the morale for most of our group and we were less than half the size as we started because no one could be arsed grinding again from the ground up. Apart from that, still fun. There is in game politics between clans and I’ve now joined 27th this current war with a bunch of our original group. It’s…. Interesting to say the least, looking at the clan/regiment perspective.
Yea the SIGIL 3rd party Discord system for claiming spots in Foxhole can be a pain. Especially for new players that don't even know it exist. Most people ignore that 3rd party system and go by first come first serve. As I mentioned in the game if they start teamkilling or destroying you can just report them and it might get solved. Unfortunately it may not get solved that day. I've normally just skipped the headache and found a new place to build my base. Sorry that happened to you though :/ And yea sometimes the other war in this game is with inner faction clan battles. I like that you all tried to meet halfway with them that was really nice of you! Hope you all are having better with 27th! They are a great group! Thanks for sharing your experience with this!
It's not "Russian clans all decided", it's the "awesome" system there clans have to be part of some "me and my friends" discord to get access to good spots. And "Russian clans" have to be a part of it or some random clan will come and destroy their facility saying that they had a "legitimate claim" in discord. Don't let me start how fast it turns into abusing the difference in fluent english and calls for mass report.
11:10 Just a note here for any new player, some logi clans or even just normal clans are gonna be happy to give you their outdated vehicles such as tankettes or scout tanks during late game, they don't cost that much resources and sometimes newer clans overproduce them and just get a huge stock of vehicles that they probably wont use.
Exactly! When you get to late war you can basically use any vehicle besides an SHT or BT. I've found that joining BT groups is still kind of easy to do when wars get past 25 days though. Thanks for sharing this!
@@RobertLovesGames Though I personally have never joined a SHT or BT group, just feels like a goal too far for me even as a small - medium sized logi group leader lmao.
Honestly, if you ask a clan nicely half the time they give you anything for free. Most vets are very relaxed and friendly. Like real life, its about attitude. Youre nice, people are nice to you too
Honestly there should be some kind of mentoring system where regiments can volunteer to become a mentor regiment and when new players log in they get given the list of these regiments on their side, what they do and a link to the respective regiments discord. This would help get new players in touch with experienced players who are willing to teach them
I've mentioned this in couple post as well about a mentor system. There should be list some place of trusted Foxhole players that shows up in game and you can see if they are online and whisper or contact them to ask questions or get help. Something to connect new players faster to those willing to train them would be great. New player sometimes just ask in chat which is good but another step to it would be nice.
This is a good idea, however there are quite a few large regiments filled with those salty vets that would sign up for this. Someone at siege camp would have to review mentorship positions to ensure they aren't going to regiments with griefing/alting history. Would hate for a new player to join a large regiment and get into the mindset of "I'm in a bigger regiment than you, so I can do whatever I want".
@@awowadas True that's a good point. The mentors would have to be vetted. Could have it if the mentors get complaints about them they are kicked out of the program. No second chances or anything.
Simplest solution seems to be hiring someone at siege camp who's only job is interacting with the community via dev blog, discord, and through the in-game reporting system. All those negative reviews about toxic vets and clans are 100% true, and completely deserved. The only people who are able to fix the mass reporting situation is siege camp. They NEED to be reviewing these automated suspensions, removing the suspensions that are erroneous, and then suspend EVERYONE who filed a false report for a full week. The only way to fix the problem at this point is to actually punish the people taking advantage of the in-game systems to grief another player(s). Taking the game away for a week for these vets will immediately have a positive effect.
Community Manager position would be pretty cool. Yea some of these vets I agree do need a reality check that they aren't in charge. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
Simplest solution is to update and rework tutorial. Main problem of game is that vets have no choice . Teaching new players is obligatory . You either teach them, instead tutorial, or they become time delayed bomb for your team. Why can't they just update tutorial? There is so many mechanics which have to be explained by vets ,but all them are same. How do you think, after how many new players teached by you ,you figure out , that you repeating same problematic things again and again. You become NPC, you become tutorial . This is not okay. Teaching for vets is another grind. Grind in game makes people toxic. Explaining basics is job of game, not vets. Expierience of new players depends on grind and time spend by other players. You've teached 10 people, 20 people, 40 people and etc. Some of them are just random dudes and some are your clanmates so you can track their ingame route. Well, you have clan with flow of new players, you teach them instead tutorial again and again, not about advanced things, just basics ,about logi and building. Most of them will understand ,that for most movements in game you need logi grind. So they leave game and never return, because you quickly open them eyes on how this game works. You wasted time on them. But some of them will accept it and stay. Those will split on casual players who will not grind at all , and no lifers , who will try to build their bases and facilities, who will supply everything, and who will do logi. Amount of wasted time melts your morale pretty quick.
@@RobertLovesGames Wait when did you start playing because there was a dedicated community manager position at one point but he gradually moved out of that role. Also, player vote bans can be appealed with the support system which will in fact get investigated. The original comment is highly overblowing the problem.
@@stavros6969 they do? could have honestly fooled me by their inability to even communicate patch notes to players for the last 3 minor updates. Kind of feel bad for them, any company in the future that looks them up for a CM position is going to see how bad they were in the role.
Some good advice here for new players. But ultimately this community issue is just a symptom of the bigger problem of how poisonous alting is to the community. I made it past the new player experience but ultimately quit the game when I realised that the chronic level of alt facilitated partisan strikes just made building high tier facilities not worth the effort.
I think alting has decreased a lot though honestly. But I think we still have our same level of paranoia mindset we had when alting was its worse. Dang that stinks :/ sorry to hear that! Thanks for sharing your experience though! Appreciate it!
New player - I've gotten plenty of help from vet pleyers who are happy to help with any questions I have to ask, the only negativity I've gotten or toxicity from other players is from the opposing enemy side. Which I mean, *we're at war* of course they're gonna tell me to "off myself." I don't think there is as much toxicity in the game as the reviews believe, more that it is a communication issue. I mean everytime I respawn at a bunker there's always that one vet player being super helpful telling new players what to do and how they can help. Right now my biggest issue with the game is the logistic delivery's, bringing a bunch of guns but no ammo for those guns. Nothing makes me realise that we've lost a frontline foothold then seeing 200+ respawn tickets but having only 42 rifles with only 20 something ammunition for those rifles. For any logistics players reading, if your gonna bring respawn tickets for players bring as many rifles and ammo for those players to use, we're not gonna win this war with sidearms alone😂
Welcome to Foxhole! Glad you have only gotten negativity from opposing side. That honestly rarely happens as well. Most people say GG and make cross voice chat fun. Vet players at bunkers telling players what to do are normally right in what you should be doing but sometimes just don't say it the right way lol. I do logi a lot! If I see a lot shirts (tickets) in the bunker and low guns I normally bring a lot of rifles and 7.62. In one crate you can bring a ton of 7.62. If you are on the front and see you are low make sure to make a map post with "logi list" and request rifles and ammo with the front you are on. Or type in logi chat what you need and where you are at. Let me know if you have any other logi questions and I'd be happy to answer them! Hope you keep having a good time with Foxhole! It's a great game!
I can recommend you to invent or use existed pyramids of supply. Which help you to find out what and in how many you should delivering in bbs, town halls, relics etc. Better bring 10 less shirts sometimes and pick one more crate of at or ammo. It takes 20-30 seconds more to figured what really in need on frontline, but then you can realy improve you logi effectiveness in game by using this pyramids.
sometimes resources get burnt fast they probably had a reasonable amount of ammo before everybody started reloading rifles can be nearly immoral if you have bring loot back to base
The list of Do's and Don'ts can be expanded upon by distinguishing what is considered a logi town from the start of the war and those which are not. Then make said list always appear before they spawn in the hex, and make the list toggleable on the settings to not annoy vets. Like the TF2 tips system when you connect into a match. Just make it nice and short, like most good introductions should be.
I like that idea! It could sort of be like the Code of Conduct that pops up in home region. Or maybe they could just add on to Code of Conduct a little more? I like this! Thanks for sharing this!
Or even an admittance that the tutorial island isn't a great start. Have a big splash screen that pops up the first time you spawn in a war "Foxhole is a large game with many moving parts. If you are a new or returning player, ask your fellow players if you need help with any of the following: (a bulleted list of game aspects like creating items, logistics, building, medicing, and on and on)" The community is already largely willing to accept new players, it often just takes a question ✋😔🤚
We have a similar experience then. I'm about 1,000 hours and I've had many 3-4 "vets" yell at me for doing something and I've only had to mute couple people for being toxic. Thanks for sharing your experience!
@@RobertLovesGamesi had one toxic moment out of 200 hours; when i was trying to do arty and one guy got frustrated and kicked me out . But i guess thats fustration as we were losing
930 Hours here and I can tell you that, there is NOT a time i log in where there is NOT any toxic players. Also played on both sides many many times and this isn't just a one side issue. Too many people in this game think that they have some kind of dominion over others. It is honestly down right disgusting and does not surprise me of the way the community has turned toxic towards new players, or people outside their circle.
Yeah, I'll fully admit that I wanna pick up foxhole but all the negative reviews about the community have given me pause. I've been banned in New Worlds due to an erroneous mass report. I cheered in GC for another company when they took a region. The company that lost that region mass reported everyone that cheered. Couple that with social anxiety, I find it hard to relate to civilians after my military service, and I'm just happy to live foxhole vicariously though youtube. Keep up the good work mate.
Rightfully so. And I appreciate that you can enjoy Foxhole though UA-cam though! If you ever do decide to get the game hit me up on Discord and I will see if I can help you get the lay of the land :D Thanks for your support!
0:30 YOOOO. That guy, DVSwhitescar, have 5 accounts in Foxhole and you could often see nicknames "DVSwhitescar" and "DVSwhitescar5" in the list of players on server. He just used them to flagged, if some building was in the way. He won't cooperate, he talk less and he wanted only what he needed and he dont care. if someone wanted to give him access to resources and use factory, he refused because he wanted to do it his own way. What's why "community in it are awful" Hard to say, play 5k hours in foxhole - that's wild and cool
Oh wow I didn't catch that! He sounds like a super toxic sweaty vet honestly. Not someone I would want to play with. Hopefully he is not around much. Thanks for sharing that!
I’m not sure what the devs have done to mitigate alting but I’ve definitely still seen it even in this most recent war. My clan’s solution was to essentially have a “guard” if we had a vehicle we really didn’t want stolen that we couldn’t put in the seaport. We had our fair share of “hey do you need help?” With low ranks wandering our facility and some would just be looking for the front or something and we’d help them but most wouldn’t reply and just run away. We’d never know if that was just some younger player scared of some random person talking to them or an alt potential scouting our base. So yeah the alt paranoia is real
I have a slide in the video that shows somethings they have added. Like if someone throws a logi truck full of supplies into the water the supplies actually just go back in to the seaport. Where in the past they were actually lost. They have made a lot of small changes but they have helped a lot honestly. Yea unfortunately it's still really hard to tell ha. Having a guard is a good idea. Or at least someone with radio and checking on your base for any circles every now and then is a good idea as well. Thanks for sharing your experience with this!
I followed general etiquette by not taking what wasn't mine, but starting toward the beginning of the war in the backline may have helped. I asked questions then anounced I was new to the game. I usually always got help, and people told me about their fear of alts. Many of my starting questions were whether or not I could take things, because I knew it took time and resources to make everything. Joining the game for logi may have affected the way I approached the game. I think I went on a rant, but this time it felt right.
This is basically how I started the game as well. I got Foxhole because of logi. And logi are like the nicest people in the game so I think our experience is why we haven't had as many bad experience with Foxhole. 99% of logi bros are super patient and kind unlike the more combat focused players. This was a great rant and great read for new players if they are looking through this comment section! Thanks for sharing this!
Love the name and shame idea for folks abusing the report button. I don’t consider it “witch hunting” if you have the receipts or proof to back up your claims. Unfortunately, folks who are community mods don’t agree with that sentiment. Last time I made a video name and shaming a salty player, the FOD community mod team gave me a warning and removed the video from the discord channel lol. I will say they also timed out the salty player but it’s weird that calling out toxic behavior can get you in hot water too. Great video Rob!
With how the social interaction in this game works it really is a shame that if you try and call someone out for being toxic that there is a possibility that you might get in trouble as well. Thanks for sharing your experience with this! I had no idea that happened to you! Thanks for the kind words and your support!
my rank is OCdt. Recently, at the end of the war, we were surrounded in breakwater, me and a few other colonials were guarding the northern road, then a warden ran and instead of shooting at him, we started larping, that we were a free republic, we were talking about the new update and stuff, then a major ran and he started shouting at us, he tried to kill us, but we defeated him, and literally 10 seconds later, he started yaping on world chat that we were giving out Intel to our enemies, teamkilling, and generally being alts, luckily, my clan found out about it and we were spared. sorry for my english
lol some people take this game way to seriously sometimes. Glad you all were having a fun time! Thanks for sharing your story! And you had great english! Really easy to read.
CB is the only person in Foxhole that can be trusted. Everyone make sure to hand over all your goods to him if you see him on the battlefield. He will single handedly win you the front!
My major issue with Foxhole is the weird current cult of personality surrounding SecretBismarck. For those new to Foxhole, Bismarck used to be a seemingly helpful member of the community, writing up manuals to teach new players and whatnot. However, as is the case with various "vets" (people who play foxhole for too long begin to suffer from brain rot, and actually believe they've experienced war from playing a video game), this took a turn for the worse. In an attempt at misguided vigilantism, Bismarck has taken it upon himself to "uncover" building exploits/glitches/bugs for the devs to fix. Well, that's what he tells himself anyway. Instead of finding said exploits for the pure purpose of removing them, he instead deploys them to his regiment's advantage, in active combat zones, and to the very least of my knowledge, has done so for the last 10 wars (well except when NEP quit because of Warden Bober exploits, ironic doesn't begin to cover it). I'm a builder in Foxhole, and I'll be the first to admit it is wank. However, creating new forms of glitches (Bismarck Cores, as he has so humbly named them, gravel foundations surrounding BB, making it nigh unkillable) isn't going to improve that.
I have noticed this a lot more frequently as well with Bismarck and a lot of vet players that find out exploits. They are under the impression that if they abuse them as much as they can it will help the developers remove them faster. Which I haven't really seen from Siege Camp. It's fine to try and figure out these exploits and find out how they work just don't use them against the other faction.
UA-camman bad. Now seriously... it's the broken window theory. There's toxicity yes, but the biggest issue is not the toxicity itself but the fact that it goes unpunished, so victims either quit the game or become toxic themselves. It used to be that the large coalitions of players (and clans) were the actual enforcers of civility within this game, not the moderators (which were really few and some... well... you know what they say, power corrupts people). At some point they started caring more about winning the war that about keeping the game civil and free of cheaters, and this is where it led us.
lol! UA-camMan is always bad. Very true! I've never heard that theory before. I know we all want to win the wars for our factions but we really need to make sure we aren't doing it at the cost of giving new players a bad experience. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this! Appreciate it!
Lock out " similar to weapon lock out 20min" what there should be instead of only banning we can lock out a players abiliy to do something and give them the reason example i steal someone vic like a tank they report me then i cant take or use that kind of vic i get a small side window tutorial stating the reason "you stole a players vic and got reported for it, every thing in this game is made by a player please understand that unless you made it ask if its ok to take. communication is key in this game." this can be done for new players for clear alts you still have the option of being kicked out of the game by players that banned you Zone message popup + when it comes to player made facilitys there should be area claim were as soon are you go into the zone there are popup message example messages like: "dont take vic or you will be shot" " this facility is for clan members and friends only... " abit like when you enter a new zone you get a notification about it. the messages will stating it will be semi locked into your screen unless your part of the clan or seen it for a while or click yes i understand on the message it will be auto translated for each language Highlighting when hovering over something states message + there should be high light marker that should state on the vic if i hover over it and its claimed by a clan it should state "private dont take" or "public free to use" each player can place it on there vic and leave a small message for other players to be aware this message gets specialy in faciliys or in private parking lots over all warning is key
I like that pop up idea explaining what the player did wrong. These types of things need to be in home region some place as well. That would be really cool if the communication was set up that way. We basically have to use signs for that kind of stuff right now. Foxhole does need a bit of a quality of life update for communication tools I think. I just want a quality of life update overall ha. No more vehicles for while besides the new ships that are coming out. I agree about having warnings in game is key. Especially with so many of them right now being unwritten rules. Thanks for sharing your ideas and thoughts on this!
I can honestly say, I played with a group of friends and we spent 5 days farming and assembling 3 trucks of artillery and ammunition, we took them to a city on the front and for those who know how artillery works, you can't use it anywhere due to the wind , distance, etc... We had information that an enemy convoy would pass carrying resources and the only area we could hit them was next to the city's respawn, we had about 30 seconds to get there, aim and fire, in this rush we ended up that we ran over a person because the city was busy, this person spent the next 4 hours following us, trying to steal our ammunition and vehicles and cursing us in the voice, after that we started to simply report anyone in their first "troll" attitude, then a few weeks ago we reported a guy who had entered our truck and after that he said in the chat that he was a newbie and didn't know how to play, FoxHole's biggest current problem is exactly that the line between a "newbie" and a "troll" is so tenuous that without dialogue it is impossible to differentiate, and this is caused exactly by the lack of a learning curve provided by the game to newcomers.
Oh my gosh! I'm sorry that happened that is so annoying! And I agree it's really hard to know where that line is. And I agree that the lack of tutorial is a cause of this. Thanks for sharing that story and your thoughts on this!
It really is a make or break for some of those new players with the stories I've heard. Some new player literally quit Foxhole just because they met a salty vet within their first 2 hours of playtime. I think it kind of stinks that sometimes the player retention is based on luck and who you meet when you first play.
@@RobertLovesGames Problem is that "salty vet" meet those 20-30 per day, of course they will lash it out on someone. But where are clips where salty vet actually helps the guy?
My worst experience which is 50/50 split in chat was half the people thinking it's "part of the game" to have other players take anything they want from your private base and if you don't have everything you own in a private stockpile instead of a private bunker base on your own island then it's your fault and everything should be free. Had my base I work for so long for on partisan island basically destroyed by friendlies who believe they could take whatever they wanted. When posted in chat 50% said this was okay while the other half backed me. The good thing was 2 nearby clans basically tried everything they could to help get me back to speed but I was kinda done after that and am on a long break from the game.
I honestly think some supplies can be taken from some bunkers. My example would be having a tank on frontline and we run out of ammo. There is a close midline bunker with 100+ shots. We will go take some of those to get back to the frontline to support as fast as we can. I think taking resources from bunkers in backline is not something you should do though 99% of the time. People destroying bases is never good. Did they explain why it needed to be destroyed? Sorry that happened to you :/ Thanks for sharing your experience and stories with this issue. Appreciate it!
@@RobertLovesGames If its public, its public. Supplies rotting in Backline dont help anybody. Things that are vital for Bases like Msupps and Shirts arent easy to take out anymore like it was in Beta
Yeah I mean shit in public stockpile is up for grabs. Doesn’t mean it’s not shitty to move certain things like fuel or base supplies or whatever, but it’s going to happen if it’s public. That being said anybody intentionally destroying supplies should be reported. As a regiment we have to consider overstocking our bases and shit for pubs. That’s how the game is. We can’t except every player to make their own shit and make their own bases. And honestly without pubs we don’t really have a game. They’re the backbone of the game as the majority of players are solo casual players. So we take that into account building our shit and making things available. Isn’t this normal to understand? Maybe more people are selfish and shallow minded than I thought.
@@Kesen2003 Late to this but exactly, in my base, it was pretty good rule that our storage was open to the public, and that anything in there *may* get taken or relocated. same with all of our vehicles, but it was the people who would come in the night when we were off line, and literally siphon our fuel, steal all our bmats- and supps and than fuck off that pissed us off, this was before you could see the logs on these things too.
Gets team-killed and mass reported because some control freak doesn't like the fact I had mats on me (despite the fact I'd stolen them from the other team) Oh but that makes me a troll trying to cause issues in the game I guess, guess I'll just uninstall. Clan man bad.
Sorry, but you are wrong in putting the blame onto the players for the community being toxic and unwelcoming. That is entirely fault of the devs. They could have kept the game size small and maintain moderation which in a game like this simply HAS to be there, the lack of it resulted in players taking on the role of policing. They could have made ACTUAL good and fun tutorial and tutoring system where new players assign themselves under one of the online vets that signed up for it. Average vet should not be responsible for teaching new players. Many don't want to suffer their incompetence, especially when encountering them while working toward something else, which for me used to be like 98% of gameplay. Everything in this game takes hours, building, preparing and transporting a tank to the front takes between 1-2 IRL hour, it obviously frustrates a vet when a Pvt. Joe "AcciDenTally" wrenches it, locks it and drives it into death, or just cluelessly stands behind the tank thinking we are a nice piece of cover for his personal benefit while blocking our only means of escape from potential enemy push, because the game doesn't let you drive over them if they are pressed against you and you aren't in motion. So many things like that exist and builders get it much, much worse than tankers. The game demands a lot from players so if you don't want to be yelled at you need to know a lot, because everything you do has potentially catastrophic consequences if you do it wrong. If the game was faster a mistake could only cost you 5 minutes to rectify, currently most mistakes will cause HOURS of lost progress so obviously they will grow deep resentment to those that cause those mistakes. A lot of vets see newbies as NPC drones that can't be used for anything. Unreliable, lacking general awareness and inefficient in anything they do. There is a reason why IRL armies don't accept people with under 83 IQ and a new player in as complex and niche game as Foxhole is essentially equivalent to the status of 'imbecile' until he learns and many won't be willing to do that before experiencing the great parts of the game and they won't experience those great parts because more and more of them are being locked behind significant amount of coordination and experience... That's why this is such common criticism in the negative reviews, it's not the toxicity, it's the direction the game took way back and now is simply paying the price for it.
I agree with you that it's the devs fault. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. I think I was more so trying to explain to players on how to avoid these types of interactions. Every gaming community has a toxic side that should be avoided. Thank you for pointing this out and calling me out. I need to keep myself checked on this at times as well especially if I don't explain myself clearly. I love your tutorial idea for helping new players! That sounds amazing honestly. Some kind of mentoring program. I agree that a lot of things in this game take a lot of work. And I get that vets with many many hours in this game can get very salty. There is no need for them to take it out on the players though. Should be teaching moments. I see new players as puppies that needed to be guided if they want to be and help them as much as I can. I know a lot of others have this mentality as well. There are just a few that make it worse for new players. And I agree that ever since facilities the direction for coordination with others has gone in the wrong direction. And I hope the devs address that soon. Thanks for your insight on this and having the conversation! Always feel free to call me out! Appreciate the discussion!
Foxhole players are extremely toxic, that's why i left a year ago, you know what they say? "Good, leave us, you're not welcome here" I tried gathering resources but a group of players chased me out for "taking their spot"
I have bought foxhole once but stopped playing cause i didnt understand how the game is seposed to be played. I had an playtime of 2.7 hours i think. But i still love foxhole
Never heard of that regi! You hate to hear this though. Sorry that happened to you! I think this is the kind of information need to know though so we can be like "oh yea T3c will mass report new players over anything" Thanks for sharing your experience with this and again sorry that happened to you!
All this really boils down to, is alting causes people to be overly paranoid which in turn harms the new player experience. So simply solution is people need to stop alting lol.
lol I agree! The devs have implemented ways to mitigate alting luckily but it's still out there unfortunately. I think the vets can take their paranoid mindsets down a notch or two at this point ha. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
@@RobertLovesGames I agree. I do my best to get to the bottom of supposed alting and have helped a lot of new players avoid the ban hammer. Luckily I'm well enough known and respected in game that when I determine it's just a noob making mistakes people lay off.
Well the point of this video is not every player is like that. There are a lot of nice players that will help you learn the game so you can do what you want. As I mentioned in the video it is sort of like a Minecraft or Rust. You can't really just join a server and start taking out other peoples buildings or taking their stuff that they spent time gathering and crafting for. But if are worried that you can just run free in the game and do as you please then this game is probably not for you. This is a team game. You join a faction and your goal should be to help your faction.
Foxhole NEEDS CLANS like FMAT! I just recently joined this AMAZING group! What is FMAT you ask? FMAT teaches all new players, everything that is made is PUBLIC ACCESS. Our whole PURPOSE is to make public infrastructure and materials for players no matter who you are. There’s no toxicity in this group (from what I’ve seen) and everyone is willing to help any player no matter how new they are! BE A KINDER foxhole player! BE like FMAT
Most annoying thing sometimes is seeing rankless or low rank players running around, try to reach out to them in both chat and voip to ask if they need help, and they just run away without communicating. Although i and my acquaintances have some success stories, sometimes training and introducing players to the game is pyrrhic, because once they learn the logi system they'll log out and never return.
Agreed! That makes me even more paranoid! I normally follow them around even longer if I have time. I've had that plenty of times as well of teaching new players and never really seeing them again. I just trained a guy in one of my most recent videos and I would not be surprised if he didn't come back and play Foxhole lol. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience with this! Also thanks for training new players!
The new player mass reporting problem ties into the Alt cheating problem. If a person makes an Alternate account and uses it to hand over a whole bunch of materials from a collie supply depot to the warden side whats to stop them from claiming "Oh im r nub, I make mistake."
Oh for sure. The devs have no put some other mechanics in the game to prevent that from happening as often. But your right we still do need mass reporting for those situations.
Great question! If a clan chooses to mass report a player the devs will find out and will find out who is coordinating the false report and that player can be perma banned. We know for fact it has happened to a few leaders in clans in the past. To get yourself in this situation is really difficult honestly. If you find out it's happening to you make sure you record or take screenshots so you can send those in with the report. If you have any other questions let me know! Feel free to DM me on discord!
to be fair, before Larry was banned he was being harrassed constantly by Alts they even took pride in their alting i remember watching the guy that was streaming himself alting and griefing Larry. I dont even know the full story of why Larry was banned but he was a good foxholer and colonial leader who helped lead the colonials to victory for like 6 straight wars including war 100
I did the mine thing where i placed mines with friendly tanks nearby. I got chewed out for it. I assumed since my logi truck wasn't trigging the friendly mines that tanks wouldnt have that problem either.
Welcome to Foxhole! And yes we all agree that Foxhole really should have a more in depth tutorial. I don't know if you have seen this other video by me but having the tutorial be from the players is actually pretty nice as well. ua-cam.com/video/JevQubDiEJI/v-deo.html Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this and welcome to Foxhole!
I can truly say that Foxhole has, on the whole, one of the best communities of any team-based multiplayer game that I've played in recent memory. If you ask for help, you will receive it. Old players love teaching new players (partly because new players have no preconceived notions about what to do, so they're down for whatever) because having another well-informed, invested player on your team only increases your chance of success 😐7
Hey just watched your video. just startet the game a few days ago and racked up almost 50hrs already. the thing i see here, or even other games and my personal friends is: I look videos about the games i play. i teach "myself" what to do an what not by watching videos like yours and others dont. I sometimes feel frustrated even with my friends because they dont inform themselfs first or even later in the game. I understand that not everyone will watch 50hrs of videos befor or while the play the game, but maybe at the beginning while the game is downloading, watch a video or two read some tutorials for beginners. often there are realy good 10-20 minute long videos explaining the basics of the game and do/dont stuff. Maybe it would be great to get a pop up when you start the game, or something about a tutorial video. ive seen this in other games where dev credit a content creator for the work with something like that. Hope you understand what i mean and understand my english. by the way, you made me buy the game finaly. ive seen it so many times but one of your videos got me into it and im loving it :D
Nice! I respect that you teach yourself how to play the game. This is kind of a hard game to do that in because the devs have built the game around working together. So if you don't know the unwritten rules about the game right away it can be hard to know what is right and wrong. I would love more tutorial information in the game! That would be awesome! Great English and I think I followed what you said :D Glad you are enjoying the game!
I bought a steamdeck just to play Foxhole, but the more I learn about the playerbase in this game, the more I regret my decision. The reddit as a stickied tread for advice and the other day I asked one question and got downvoted for it severely. Like if you can't even ask for advice in a safe space designed for asking for advice, how on Earth will this playerbase not just ban and suspend everyone?
Sounds fun! I know few players that plan on steamdeck. I would recommend ignoring everyone on reddit. The nice people are the ones actually in the game and playing it. Reddit Foxhole is mainly for complaining. Feel free to DM me on discord any time you need help with anything or have questions. I've built a really positive and helpful community to help new players.
I really want to play this game, I feel like I have been waiting my entire life for something like this, its like an RTS++ where I can just be a fucking conscript
Exactly! I played a lot of RTS back in the day. This game scratches an itch that no other game can. Feel free to DM me on discord if you have any questions about the game!
I was banned on the 3rd hour in for an hour. some guy accused me of stealing his tank when i just spawned in. i took the day off before jumping back in.
so there are more problems as a non clan affiliated person, clans will also tend to claim a are and resouces especially component spawn areas making it nigh impossible to make anything above basic supplies and clans also tend to hoard materials that could very well mean the difference between success or failure in a nearby battle. I remember running logi to origin and passing multiple pallets of arty shells and could not access them to bring to the front and there were the clan members online at the time ignoring origins pleas for arty shells. Clans get rather elitist as well and can sour the experience for those of us who cant spend more than a couple of hours in the game a week.
I've played on both sides and while there are a few clans who "hoard" resources most resources are still easy to get to make whatever you want. Just depends where you are in the war and where you are in the tech tree. Like once light tanks tech rmats are super hard to get. But once you give it a day for the rush to die down they are easy to get again. I agree with you that some clans out their hoard way to many resources and don't know when to release them to the public. I've seen containers and containers full of components that don't get used unfortunately. Like others have said it's sometimes just best to join a clan right away when you start to learn the game and that way you have access to basically everything without having to fight other people for it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this! Appreciate it!
maybe just have 2 servers? 1 for a new players, and 2 for the advanced servers (?) when joining the advanced server, give a warning that you will be played in a serious environment. vet can play on 2 servers and the main purpose they in the news server is to recruit and recommend new players to play in the advanced server if he/she is decent enough to play. let the newb server be an anarchy server without report system?. idk just idea on my top of my head xD
Unfortunately due to the game's population at any given time the game does not really run well with two servers. Makes one server basically dead and then the other just half populated. Idea works in theory but just not for this game at this time. If we had more of a player base I would be all for it! Thanks for sharing your idea and thoughts on this!
when I was a noob I saw a mine in the road if friendly and just as I was about to disarm it when a tank drove over it. I got blamed for laying the mine. in rage at the insult I barely manage to type "it wasn't mine" they insult me for trying to claim it wasn't A mine.(and reported me)
their should be a training shard where the noobs of both teams could learn to fight and build that is about1-3 hexes big center for fighting with uncontestable space for a few vets to test BB construction methods without pressure that gets wiped weekly to reduce memory issues going there would be less embarrassing than the training zone currently is
The report system should be overwatched. Someone at siege camp should review, especially mass, reports, and if reports weren't for a good reason, their reporting strength should be diminished, while players with good reporting habits should be more influential in reporting.
Agreed! I know they keep an eye on mass reporting but they don't have enough people to do it all the time it seems like. Hopefully they will continue to improve on the banning system.
I got mass reported for scrooping, they had "claimed" the node and decided that it was a good thing to mass report players for just trying to help. It IS the number 1 issue and it is an issue with the mentality that clans are their own faction.
Oof! Sorry to hear that :/ some people can be real jerks about resources sometimes. And I agree that this is still the number one issue with Foxhole. Though this type of situation I've found only happens to a small amount of the player base it's still not a good thing for it to continue. I hope the devs can continue to find ways for us to work together instead of clans thinking they need to horde all the resources. Thanks for sharing your experience with this!
Yeah, I first bought the game about a year ago. I found a base next to a scrap field and spent many hours just filling the bases resource transfer station with scrap using their vehicles. Then I got banned for stealing their vehicles. Gave up on the game entirely and only came back a couple days ago to give it a second shot
Oof! Sorry that happened to you :/ I would suggest finding a clan to play with for while or just letting people know that you are new. That normally helps people be less paranoid about what your intentions are. Let me know if you need help with anything! DM me on discord any time!
In my experience, Foxhole is the least toxic game i have ever played, especially with such a big community. As in every game, and the real world too unfortunately, there will always be toxic people. However, in this game i can count on one hand the toxic experiences i have had. The amount of positive experiences greatly out-shine the toxic ones.
I agree with you. There are a lot of kind people in Foxhole. I tend to tell players if you give off positive energy in Foxhole you will get it back. People that seem to tend to have problems with others tend to have problems with more than just one person and then it seems they may be the problem. Thanks for sharing your experience! Glad you have generally had a positive one!
Siege camp needs to do a better job on handling alts and instituting a successful and helpful turorial instead of the jump in follow deploy written on ground then chaos ensues.
I never understood ppl whining about not knowing what to do. Like I was there and figured basics on my own with wiki help, just slow the fuck down and learn instead of rushing in. seroulsly git gud newbs in all games of the world, its a game not quantum physics.
I agree with a lot of this. Might just be the zoomer type gamers that get everything fed to them from other games and come to Foxhole expecting something similar.
Best advice is for a newb to any mmo is to go in thinking "I want to learn how this works" instead of "I want to do this". Lone Wolf mentality will just make you enemies on both sides
Glad this helped! And I would say so. Especially when sometimes you need to have patience and work with others :D Feel free to DM me on discord if you have any other questions about the game or if you need help learning anything!
Witch-huntinting killed many times more organisations than witches themselves. Never had any problems with mass reporting but i can see where reviews come from. Just a few days ago i suggested a quick plan to a big clan on a frontline. Said plan included the use of barges and certain equipment in the inventory. Clan organised very fast, and in minutes we were ready. Except we couldn't move because one "random" player jumped on a barge exceeding its transport limit (6 people). Since inter-regiment comms become quite hectic, instead of spending a lot of time to explain the situation, clanman just killed the guy. Were they wrong? Probably, but the guy retaliated, team killing multiple clanman. Clanman then mass reported the guy.
Yea those situations are tough. Egos get in the way a lot in this game and cause situations like this. If people just let it go and moved on this wouldn't happen. Thanks for sharing that story. These are important stories to hear.
I got banned for like 12 or 24 hours from a mass report for building a trench some clan member didn’t like. Edit: I quit the game for months after this and eventually came back. I definitely left a negative review and made a seigecamp ticket and got that general email the next day saying I could play again. Didn’t help me at the time though because I play games like once a week, so banning me for a day is like banning me for a week. Needless to say I was salty and didn’t return for several months. And even now I’m distrustful of the population. I’m a casual player that does mostly solo but some regiment events.
Dang sorry that happened to you :/ hate people like that in Foxhole. I'm glad you came back though! And thank you for sharing your experience with this. It really helps new players understand that yes this is an issue but it has gotten better.
Simplest solution is to update and rework tutorial. Main problem of game is that vets have no choice . Teaching new players is obligatory . You either teach them, instead tutorial, or they become time delayed bomb for your team. Why can't they just update tutorial? There is so many mechanics which have to be explained by vets ,but all them are same. How do you think, after how many new players teached by you ,you figure out , that you repeating same problematic things again and again. You become NPC, you become tutorial . This is not okay. Teaching for vets is another grind. Grind in game makes people toxic. Explaining basics is job of game, not vets. Expierience of new players depends on grind and time spend by other players. You've teached 10 people, 20 people, 40 people and etc. Some of them are just random dudes and some are your clanmates so you can track their ingame route. Well, you have clan with flow of new players, you teach them instead tutorial again and again, not about advanced things, just basics ,about logi and building. Most of them will understand ,that for most movements in game you need logi grind. So they leave game and never return, because you quickly open them eyes on how this game works. You wasted time on them. But some of them will accept it and stay. Those will split on casual players who will not grind at all , and no lifers , who will try to build their bases and facilities, who will supply everything, and who will do logi. Amount of wasted time melts your morale pretty quick.
Totally agree. Think we all agree as a community the tutorial needs updated. In some ways I like that vet players teach new players as it makes the game seem little organic and alive more. But I think we can still do that and still have a better home region tutorial as well. There is a happy middle somewhere there. And yes the burnout can happen a lot faster as well. I've kind of always knew this game was a bit of a grind but I'm crazy enough to enjoy it for some reason ha. Thanks for your thoughts on this! Appreciate it!
When i played this game i was afraid of the report system so i just keep myself on the front with rifle and anything else, just constantly dying to the meat grinder or be a medic. I didn't took anything and stayed away from every vehicle or even weapons. I left the game because i downloaded it in first place because i wanted to do logi, but my mind went to every thing is occupied and even if i build something some clan could just report me or destroy what i build. So i just refrain to do it Btw i was more paranoic because even when i understand and i can talk english, im not fluent enough
I'm sorry to hear that! Come back and do logi! I or someone else would be happy to show you around! Your english sounds good to me. Even if you can only type in game. Or you can find logi group that speaks your language!
I was in the Krieg regiment, the big one. And that Avitus guy just banned me from the reg just because I was 'a noob' even tho my idea on the strategy at hand was better than his. Even in regiment the game is not that fun to be franck. I liked it more when people used to be togather and play as a team on each front rather than coordinating on discords.
Dang that stinks :/ does not sound like good leadership. I agree that I would much rather coordinate in game than in a discord. Devs need to keep giving us good communication tools to do that. Thanks for your thoughts on this!
It's sad how steam-rating can decide the faith of games these days. Most negative reviews is just some dumb shitkid who is frustrated because the game isnt dumbed down enough for them. Maybe its time to say ByeBye Steam.
In some ways I agree with you. I would say I hate how a playerbase that has played a really long time can change their steam review to negative if the devs do an update they don't like. I don't like that kind of review bombing. And yea if you are right. Even if you read through the Foxhole one's it mainly sounds like a bunch of troll players or people that don't understand the game and never asked questions that had a bad time.
I quit gaming entirely until i get my life back on track. Foxhole is the best game i have ever played. I simply dont have another 4,000 hours of time to dedicate.... been playing since 12/2019
Hmm.. They could look into putting in a volunteer moderator program. Some players who love the game would probably be willing and be mature enough to moderate the game.
My first week plaing this game (war 82) I got a 2 hour ban because I was digging a trench XD. I think it was my 3rd or 4th day playing and I got to a front and grabbed a shovel and started digging... this made the clan man mad and i got reported... I remember them yelling at me and telling me to stop, and in my defiance i told them to kiss my posterior (more or less worded differently :)). The ban didnt stop me from playing at all but it was at this moment I learned that the mob unfortunitly do have this power. through out the rest of my time playing this game I have had some bad experiances with regards to clans and have witnessed some stuff, however i have had WAY more good experiances and good fun that outway these blips. With many more hours under my belt and working my way up the ranks I can see where the mistrust is, and the frustration on new players... its difficult to say what the best way to manage the system to prevent abuse but I do feel like it needs to be rethought. This is a tuff one
The banning new players for making trenches is such a meme but too real at the same time lol. Sorry that happened to you ha. Glad that you were a good sport about it and that it didn't make you quit! And glad to hear you have had more positive experience than negative. I think new players need to hear this the most. I appreciate you sharing your experience on the situation! I hope to see you on the front some time digging trenches again lol!
Sadly it happens way too often. I hear people say "I don't trust no rank players" or "I don't trust a clanless person." I heard this yesterday while in reaching trail.
True! Like I said in the video even myself after 1,000 hours in this game is little paranoid around no or low ranks. But I try to help them first and make sure they aren't up to anything. I've actually never seen any crazy trolling or alting first hand. I've never really heard that people don't trust clanless players! Interesting! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
@@RobertLovesGames The issue with the clanless players is when you're high rank and no clan. It makes you wonder how they got that high without working with anyone. That's the big paranoia on that one. That's something shady's going on to get that high.
@@RobertLovesGames Yes, because if they have no rank no one will trust them, but if they have an actual rank then people are more likely to trust them if they're going to alt. So it stands to reason that if you see a person with no regiment tag, you might question them a little bit. Not to say that's the case with everyone that has a rank but no tag.
Ive been reported (back when report votes would show up in chat) for submitting 20 rmats to a townhall back in war 82 time (on shard 2). I wasnt banned but someone felt i was greifing by submitting 20 rmats to a logi towns townhall and clicked the report user button on me, still one of the funniest things ive experienced
When I was looking whether I would buy foxhole I looked at the reviews and saw all of the toxic clans mass reporting new player posts and it made me really question wheter i wanted to spend money on a game that if I made a mistake I would be mass reported and banned but in the end I decided to try. I got lucky aswell as when doing logi I fully was under the impression of most vehicles in seaports and towns are free to take people just lock them forget about them and what not so I wrenched a ironship at a seaport thinking someone left it there and got screamed at shot at while trying to explain that i dint know about it. I dint get mass reported but the reaction I got did make me switch fronts as I dint want to run into the people that wear really agressive to me for a mistake. (I also wasnt aware you could load more than one container on a Ironship). Now i'm 1.400 hours deep in a clan and I have seen alts and what not but still ill try to see and help new players as I once was a new player dealing whit the same unkown comunity. but yeah communication is really key
Thanks for sharing that! This helps new players a lot to understand this. I had a similar situation with the freighter happen last night when I was cleaning up the area. It still happens to us vets as well. Just some salty people out there ha. Glad to see you kept on playing! See you out there!
i started 3 weeks ago and everyone was super nice and helpful. i never encountered toxicity, every time i asked about something someone just took me on a tour and explained stuff in detail maybe im lucky but i feel this game is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar far less toxic than any other pvp game.... like smite, league, for honor, apex legends all full of realy disgusting people, in this game everyone is just chill and joking around.
I started playing foxhole last war and I can check off every item you listed about new players (except the banning part). I was blamed and reported for TKing a teammember who was stuck in a building and thus asked me to shoot him. Another occasion I was accused of suspicious behaviour when I was wandering around the map trying to understand logi. On the frontlines it is quite common to be yelled at for small mistakes. Of course in the heat of battle people get emotional, I very much get that. But I would definitely say that the amount of salty comments to new players is quite high in Foxhole compared to other online games. This however didn't stop me from playing Foxhole for 100 hours already. It is an awesome game with an awesome community. But still, how good the intentions of the majority may be, I feel that a salty minority do not leave enough room for new players to make mistakes and learn. In my opinion this is partly a community issue, party a development issue (tutorials are certainly outdated). For now: why not mark a region as "logi training"? Vet players could hang around if they like to teach and new players can learn and still contribute to the war effort.
Welcome to Foxhole! Oh no! All the bad things did happen to you! I'm glad you made it through all that and are still playing! Some players just quit unfortunately! I agree that "vet" players definitely push newer players away a lot more in Foxhole with how aggressive they are. I would love something like that! There are regi/clans that dedicate time to teaching new players which is awesome. I mentioned this in another comment but I would love to see a list of like "mentors" in game where it was a list of trusted players and you can see when they are online and message them for questions or something like that. This is a good testimony for new players to hear. So thank you for sharing this! Let me know if you ever have any questions about Foxhole!
the way I was able to bounce back from a few bad new player chew outs was hear people thank me for giving them my spare fuel after they ran out really sad that fuel lasts longer
I have about 1k hours in foxhole and I personally think the devs should just have less opportunities for team killing. Like maybe you can’t take out 10 cutlers in 50 seconds
Joined during the naval update learned how to operate a train and build Battle Tanks for the Wardens it was pretty cool however I didn't enjoy combat almost at all and it just felt frustrating and annoying with how guns work in the game and the dumb little curser that never knows what I'm actually pointing at
Dang you got into some end game stuff quick! Normally takes people few wars to get into things like Battle Tanks. I don't really enjoy the combat myself either. I like the logi and building side a lot more. If you want to get better at aiming there are guides out there that help! Thanks for sharing your experience!
New players who come across this video. Mh name is Godlyforce, colonial4life, if you ever see me in game, please let me know if you need any help or if there is anything you want to learn.
the toxic communities are not a minority considering how huge regs are. You said do something your not supposed to do. there's literally nothing you can do that deserves being verbally abused and harrased by a group of people playing videogame. It's supposed to be fun. Why are you yelling at someone and taking a tank that's not being used is not bannable at all. That's what squad locking is for, and also regs shouldn't be able to hog all the resources especially oil fields. They literally claim it are hostle to anyone they see. We are adults and should be able to have bases next to each other. It's silly. sorry as someone who' has a loud and unique personality that plays usually plays solo mostly because discord channels with like 30 people all hot micing gives me anxiety out the wazoo, but I stand out to say the least so I could see this toxic shit coming as soon as they came out of beta. I actually love foxhole it' was my favorite game, and it sucked watching it fall into this toxic greedy game where people are fighting wth their own team to protect really petty amounts of resources. I'm so bummed. I remember when I was learning facilities I would just go into someone's facility and see how they didi it. That's the best way i foiund to learn how to make facilities. I would literally just go scroop a bunch of shit scrap, comps w/e bring it to a facility and use what i scrooped and see the process, and you woulnd't believe the horrible time i had when regs showed up and how rude and mean they were. Most wouldn't even say hello. they would imedietly freak out. Me in my head is like what are you talking about i'm literally doing your job for you. I'm making this or that. They would harras me anyway. I swear this happened to me almost 90 percent of the time. It wasn't a minority. This shouldn't happened to someone just exploring the game being curious about a new feature of a game.
Not everyone in a reg is toxic though. Only takes few bad eggs to make a whole reg look bad. I agree with you that no one should be verbally abused. But this is the internet people are jerks. Best to mute and move on from those people. That is why the mute button exist. Exactly. If they don't want a tank taken they should squad lock it. That's on them. And I agree that clans should not be able to hoard resources. I've talked about this many a times. Some of us are adults and some of us are adults who still like children. It sadly is just that way. I get it sometimes it's the loud personalities that get yelled at the most in this game for no reason. I hate it. Yea something needs to change about facilities so that people aren't paranoid about others using them. Sorry that happened to you. I agree with everything you have said. Thanks for sharing this I really appreciate it. New players need to read this and know about this kind of interaction. Thank you!
That makes sense. Unfortunately there is only one server for Foxhole and team killing happens a lot by accident so it's hard to tell when it's on purpose or just an accident.
Newish player, 95% of people are great. Unfortunately I had a run in with the 5%. I killed an enemy, picked up his flamethrower to take it back to BB. But having never seen or used one before, I decided to give it a blip - I fired for half a second at nothing just to see the effect. A salty vet appeared out of nowhere immediately, screaming STOP WASTING FUEL!!!! It's like, dude. I captured this for the team, I'm bringing it back. I literally tapped the mouse to witness the fire. Muted him and moved on.
Sorry you had to run into the 5% of those toxic players! It seems like you handled it the best way and the way everyone should handle it! Mute and move on. Thanks for sharing this! This should help other new players understand that unfortunately yes these situations still happen but they can be dealt with.
yep it rally big Issue that is stil around . i see a lot of no reson bans abuse over last 5 years . i play game now 7 years .there ar stil lots of vets players that stil half not so much respect for new players . but there lots of friendly veteran around like me that rally want show good parts of to game , but ye what is probern wel all had learm about game so stop keeping hiting our new guys
Yea the problem is still around but luckily I think it has at least gotten better. I think some vets need to still take it down one or two more notches with how paranoid they are about alts. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
Game would benefit immensely from lower-stakes combat experience. A shitty player on an active front is worse than having fewer players there. I don't know if pve has a place in this kind of game but people have a very difficult time building skills when their average life expectancy is about 25 seconds after jumping in the trench
Yea a lot of games do. I think that is what people need to understand. This is not a Foxhole specific thing but something that happens in almost every community.
Makes sense. You can still have fun as a solo player though it's much harder. The devs really do want players to work together which is not bad just might not be implemented correctly. They are working towards it though it seems from their previous updates. Appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this!
I don't know if you heard but I read all 31,000 negative steam comments it is the #1 issue. lol But you are right I would say it's the number 1 problem for player retention which goes into player population issues and the size of the map as well. If I got to pick what the number one issue was right now I would honestly ques. Ques are really hurting this game. We need some kind of new system. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
The devs are unfortunately not that concerned about the quality of life in this game. I know they've been busy introducing naval warfare, but that has introduced many more balance issues that the game is seeing now. There is still so many issues this game has, and I wish they would communicate more about smaller changes that help new and veteran players. The next changes should really look back on all the content that was released and introduce balance/quality of life changes, so this game can be more enjoyable for everyone.
I agree with you. I think they focus on adding to many new mechanics and vehicles and just need to spend some time polishing what they already have. I think we all knew there would be balance issues with the new ships. It's going to be while before those get remotely close to balanced. Again I agree with you completely. Hopefully we see some quality of life changes in these next minor updates. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
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Yo! What do you find the most interesting about Foxhole? Logistics? Combat? Anything specific? I'd be happy to explain any of it before you purchase. Also feel free to DM me on Discord might be easier to talk about the game there as well.
I mean some clans are just plain obnoxious. They build huge fking bases everywhere and it often becomes a chore just to keep up defensive bases and small factories, not to talk about them building on top of your base to dry out Gsupps and they are as likely to steal vehicles that happened to me every time i set up a base for QRF, i always ended up having to replace armoured vehicles because they would keep getting stolen by the same people over and over again. Id say we should reverse the 1.0 update. Before it was quite simple to do logistics and setting up bases as of now, finding vets at the front is a rarity outside of operations. Also armoured vehicles should all be accessible at some point. I dont want to spend 8 hours a day keeping up a facility and competing with massive clans for resources just to get a single vehicle
Well known French clan try to stole me a ship with 4 containers full of bmats when I was coming with the last one. They're already stolen and claimed to be there's I told them where I was going and decided to return me the ship but wait for me there. Just to point me to the factory next to the shipyard. They far less knowledgeable than me but still managed to steal 2 bmats to their personal account, cause I was chilling on me own. Then I told them they have no fu***ng idea of this game works if I want to bring produced items that's what I being doing cause it takes less space on the ship + we are in the base Right Next to the mass production Factory I was bringing bmats for bases forward bases to advance. But they never return the bmats. Cause you know I don't know what I'm doing and they just helping the hole community disallowing me from thinking how to support the front. Basically they bring my supplies to a factory closer to the front cause they doesn't want to stay in base producing on the mass production one, new players do work for us that until they are allowed to be into our clan mentality I wasn't new btw. I played r2 engine "mods" I couldn't understand why zombie event never return or the fight club at the start of wars. Independence war was a fantastic one as well.
@@RobertLovesGames to be fair the community is lovely! But you know there is always some strange people. But bringing enemies to the medic to revive them saying that's a father of 3 little children🤣😂. Can wait to bite you in the Zombie event!
I think the biggest source of this problem is facilities, facilities are too hard for new players to try to learn as they can do a lot of damage from not knowing how the game works, facilities do not allow for collaboration
I completely agree. You can't really do facilities alone and new players who probably like the idea of Factorio or something like that think they can come in and do that in Foxhole. Then other groups get made about mssups in the region or something. I think facilities can allow for collaboration but only between clans not individual players really. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
definitely need a better way to indicate public vs private facilities even as a veteran I still end up stealing petrol a few times until bothering to go hunting for the gas station
its my face
That is the face I found for you on google! lol.
Everyone go follow KronusWinter on Twitch www.twitch.tv/KronusWinter best Foxhole streamer there is!
Oh look it’s the guy with the beard
Kronus always trying to help the new players! lol
Hello kronus face
@@RobertLovesGamesgrow a pair
I have 1600 hours in Foxhole and I still remember back when I played for the first time. I was doing things that I shouldn't have been doing which could've been seen as alt behavior. I then met one guy who helped me learn and understand the basics of the game like logistics and basic combat and made myself useful very quickly. He was very patient with me and it was a very positive learning experience. When I see a new player that doesn't know what they're doing and is potentially and unknowingly harming their teammates, it's important to assume that they're just a new player and not an alt. I could've stumbled into the wrong guy when I started playing and it could've gotten me banned and made me quit the game before even playing. Those first interactions with new players are extremely important and is what makes people want to keep or stop playing the game. Great video btw!
Same! I definitely remember going into random players bases and messing around with stuff I shouldn't have.
It's unfortunate that a new players experience is left up to chance if they meet a nice person or salty person ha.
Wish we had like a set list of players that would be "mentors" or something that new players could see a list of in game if they are online and contact them for help or something ya know? That would be so awesome.
Thanks for sharing your experience! And thanks for the kind words!
The problem is the reason people do things they shouldn't do is that it doesn't make sense.
Harvesting resources from a field is not harmful to your faction, period. The fact that clans get this idea that claiming a field is a positive behavior and new players that don't understand the claiming system, because it objectively doesn't make sense, being told later that "they shouldn't have been doing that" is a load of crap.
A big part of the game is back end logistics, and clans wanting to monopolize resource nodes is counter intuitive to that purpose, period.
Foxhole needs a tutorial, with some advice and a short list of things to be discouraged
Someone mentioned they should have community post/bulletin board in home region with this kind of info which would be cool!
The fact that the tutorial never teaches guns are hitscan and has slow tracers is MINDBOGGLING TO ME. I genuinely thought for 50 hours of infantry fighting that all weapons have no accuracy.
Maybe someone should start a clan on each side of the war and call it [Drill Sgts] or something, and primarily help new players with regular "boot camps".
Foxhole needs to get rid of clans and just make everyone solo players that co-operate witch each other instead.
They have a tutorial. I played it all. Didn't mention ANYTHING about the social aspects of the game.
One thing I find is that the revolving door of new players will grind away at your patience. You can explain the same 8 hours of information only so many times to people before you just have to stop.
Its bloody exhausting that the devs rely on us to be the game's tutorial.
I agree. I have gotten tired explaining the same logi speech before to a new player.
Definitely need something on the home island that helps with this.
We have 3 ~45minute-1hour training sessions you have to do to become a full regi member for ours, one in logistics, infantry and combat engineering (building) everyone has to go through it and a lot of people at least pick up some tips and info. It gets updated every so often and different trainers will put their own spin on the thing but there's still interest. When I first played as a solo player there was someone running training classes on home island and that helped a lot honestly.
@@venum4k I love this! What regi is it?
@@RobertLovesGames82dk
Hmm
I kinda love their enthusiasm and I’m just happy to have someone who is actually interested in being social
I’ve had a fair few really bad experiences sadly with my 200+ hours so far starting back in war 108.
The worst was the start of 109, my group claimed and found a good spot for our base.
Then, Russian clans within the area all decided in a private discord call that one of their clans claimed that land and all proceeded to evict us without warning a week into the wipe.
They just showed up and with broken English we managed to figure out what they wanted. Eventually we compensated if they helped us move and gave us stuff but it sadly broke the morale for most of our group and we were less than half the size as we started because no one could be arsed grinding again from the ground up.
Apart from that, still fun. There is in game politics between clans and I’ve now joined 27th this current war with a bunch of our original group. It’s…. Interesting to say the least, looking at the clan/regiment perspective.
Da lord al mighty pilps!
Bow to the total war God!
Yea the SIGIL 3rd party Discord system for claiming spots in Foxhole can be a pain. Especially for new players that don't even know it exist.
Most people ignore that 3rd party system and go by first come first serve. As I mentioned in the game if they start teamkilling or destroying you can just report them and it might get solved. Unfortunately it may not get solved that day. I've normally just skipped the headache and found a new place to build my base. Sorry that happened to you though :/
And yea sometimes the other war in this game is with inner faction clan battles. I like that you all tried to meet halfway with them that was really nice of you!
Hope you all are having better with 27th! They are a great group!
Thanks for sharing your experience with this!
NFML
It's not "Russian clans all decided", it's the "awesome" system there clans have to be part of some "me and my friends" discord to get access to good spots.
And "Russian clans" have to be a part of it or some random clan will come and destroy their facility saying that they had a "legitimate claim" in discord.
Don't let me start how fast it turns into abusing the difference in fluent english and calls for mass report.
11:10 Just a note here for any new player, some logi clans or even just normal clans are gonna be happy to give you their outdated vehicles such as tankettes or scout tanks during late game, they don't cost that much resources and sometimes newer clans overproduce them and just get a huge stock of vehicles that they probably wont use.
Exactly! When you get to late war you can basically use any vehicle besides an SHT or BT. I've found that joining BT groups is still kind of easy to do when wars get past 25 days though.
Thanks for sharing this!
@@RobertLovesGames Though I personally have never joined a SHT or BT group, just feels like a goal too far for me even as a small - medium sized logi group leader lmao.
Honestly, if you ask a clan nicely half the time they give you anything for free. Most vets are very relaxed and friendly. Like real life, its about attitude. Youre nice, people are nice to you too
@@N0d4chi Completely agree with this. Very well said.
Honestly there should be some kind of mentoring system where regiments can volunteer to become a mentor regiment and when new players log in they get given the list of these regiments on their side, what they do and a link to the respective regiments discord. This would help get new players in touch with experienced players who are willing to teach them
I've mentioned this in couple post as well about a mentor system. There should be list some place of trusted Foxhole players that shows up in game and you can see if they are online and whisper or contact them to ask questions or get help.
Something to connect new players faster to those willing to train them would be great. New player sometimes just ask in chat which is good but another step to it would be nice.
This is a good idea, however there are quite a few large regiments filled with those salty vets that would sign up for this. Someone at siege camp would have to review mentorship positions to ensure they aren't going to regiments with griefing/alting history.
Would hate for a new player to join a large regiment and get into the mindset of "I'm in a bigger regiment than you, so I can do whatever I want".
@@awowadas True that's a good point. The mentors would have to be vetted. Could have it if the mentors get complaints about them they are kicked out of the program. No second chances or anything.
Simplest solution seems to be hiring someone at siege camp who's only job is interacting with the community via dev blog, discord, and through the in-game reporting system. All those negative reviews about toxic vets and clans are 100% true, and completely deserved. The only people who are able to fix the mass reporting situation is siege camp. They NEED to be reviewing these automated suspensions, removing the suspensions that are erroneous, and then suspend EVERYONE who filed a false report for a full week.
The only way to fix the problem at this point is to actually punish the people taking advantage of the in-game systems to grief another player(s). Taking the game away for a week for these vets will immediately have a positive effect.
Community Manager position would be pretty cool. Yea some of these vets I agree do need a reality check that they aren't in charge.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
Simplest solution is to update and rework tutorial. Main problem of game is that vets have no choice . Teaching new players is obligatory . You either teach them, instead tutorial, or they become time delayed bomb for your team. Why can't they just update tutorial? There is so many mechanics which have to be explained by vets ,but all them are same. How do you think, after how many new players teached by you ,you figure out , that you repeating same problematic things again and again.
You become NPC, you become tutorial . This is not okay. Teaching for vets is another grind. Grind in game makes people toxic. Explaining basics is job of game, not vets. Expierience of new players depends on grind and time spend by other players.
You've teached 10 people, 20 people, 40 people and etc. Some of them are just random dudes and some are your clanmates so you can track their ingame route.
Well, you have clan with flow of new players, you teach them instead tutorial again and again, not about advanced things, just basics ,about logi and building. Most of them will understand ,that for most movements in game you need logi grind. So they leave game and never return, because you quickly open them eyes on how this game works. You wasted time on them. But some of them will accept it and stay. Those will split on casual players who will not grind at all , and no lifers , who will try to build their bases and facilities, who will supply everything, and who will do logi.
Amount of wasted time melts your morale pretty quick.
@@RobertLovesGames Wait when did you start playing because there was a dedicated community manager position at one point but he gradually moved out of that role.
Also, player vote bans can be appealed with the support system which will in fact get investigated. The original comment is highly overblowing the problem.
They do have a CM, and is as bad at it gets with the cm and their reddit/discord circlejerk with all the shitty drama
@@stavros6969 they do? could have honestly fooled me by their inability to even communicate patch notes to players for the last 3 minor updates.
Kind of feel bad for them, any company in the future that looks them up for a CM position is going to see how bad they were in the role.
Some good advice here for new players. But ultimately this community issue is just a symptom of the bigger problem of how poisonous alting is to the community. I made it past the new player experience but ultimately quit the game when I realised that the chronic level of alt facilitated partisan strikes just made building high tier facilities not worth the effort.
I think alting has decreased a lot though honestly. But I think we still have our same level of paranoia mindset we had when alting was its worse.
Dang that stinks :/ sorry to hear that!
Thanks for sharing your experience though! Appreciate it!
New player - I've gotten plenty of help from vet pleyers who are happy to help with any questions I have to ask, the only negativity I've gotten or toxicity from other players is from the opposing enemy side. Which I mean, *we're at war* of course they're gonna tell me to "off myself." I don't think there is as much toxicity in the game as the reviews believe, more that it is a communication issue. I mean everytime I respawn at a bunker there's always that one vet player being super helpful telling new players what to do and how they can help.
Right now my biggest issue with the game is the logistic delivery's, bringing a bunch of guns but no ammo for those guns. Nothing makes me realise that we've lost a frontline foothold then seeing 200+ respawn tickets but having only 42 rifles with only 20 something ammunition for those rifles.
For any logistics players reading, if your gonna bring respawn tickets for players bring as many rifles and ammo for those players to use, we're not gonna win this war with sidearms alone😂
Welcome to Foxhole! Glad you have only gotten negativity from opposing side. That honestly rarely happens as well. Most people say GG and make cross voice chat fun.
Vet players at bunkers telling players what to do are normally right in what you should be doing but sometimes just don't say it the right way lol.
I do logi a lot! If I see a lot shirts (tickets) in the bunker and low guns I normally bring a lot of rifles and 7.62. In one crate you can bring a ton of 7.62. If you are on the front and see you are low make sure to make a map post with "logi list" and request rifles and ammo with the front you are on. Or type in logi chat what you need and where you are at.
Let me know if you have any other logi questions and I'd be happy to answer them!
Hope you keep having a good time with Foxhole! It's a great game!
I can recommend you to invent or use existed pyramids of supply. Which help you to find out what and in how many you should delivering in bbs, town halls, relics etc.
Better bring 10 less shirts sometimes and pick one more crate of at or ammo.
It takes 20-30 seconds more to figured what really in need on frontline, but then you can realy improve you logi effectiveness in game by using this pyramids.
Just wondering, was it a Colonial or Warden who said kys?
@@FantasticMrJake warden's
sometimes resources get burnt fast they probably had a reasonable amount of ammo before everybody started reloading rifles can be nearly immoral if you have bring loot back to base
The list of Do's and Don'ts can be expanded upon by distinguishing what is considered a logi town from the start of the war and those which are not. Then make said list always appear before they spawn in the hex, and make the list toggleable on the settings to not annoy vets. Like the TF2 tips system when you connect into a match.
Just make it nice and short, like most good introductions should be.
I like that idea! It could sort of be like the Code of Conduct that pops up in home region. Or maybe they could just add on to Code of Conduct a little more?
I like this! Thanks for sharing this!
Or even an admittance that the tutorial island isn't a great start. Have a big splash screen that pops up the first time you spawn in a war "Foxhole is a large game with many moving parts. If you are a new or returning player, ask your fellow players if you need help with any of the following: (a bulleted list of game aspects like creating items, logistics, building, medicing, and on and on)"
The community is already largely willing to accept new players, it often just takes a question ✋😔🤚
In my 600 hours of playing foxhole I can count on 1 hand the amount of toxic interactions I have had in foxhole.
We have a similar experience then. I'm about 1,000 hours and I've had many 3-4 "vets" yell at me for doing something and I've only had to mute couple people for being toxic.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
@@RobertLovesGamesi had one toxic moment out of 200 hours; when i was trying to do arty and one guy got frustrated and kicked me out . But i guess thats fustration as we were losing
I can count on one finger!
930 Hours here and I can tell you that, there is NOT a time i log in where there is NOT any toxic players. Also played on both sides many many times and this isn't just a one side issue.
Too many people in this game think that they have some kind of dominion over others. It is honestly down right disgusting and does not surprise me of the way the community has turned toxic towards new players, or people outside their circle.
Thats not a lot, basically like any other online game
Yeah, I'll fully admit that I wanna pick up foxhole but all the negative reviews about the community have given me pause. I've been banned in New Worlds due to an erroneous mass report. I cheered in GC for another company when they took a region. The company that lost that region mass reported everyone that cheered. Couple that with social anxiety, I find it hard to relate to civilians after my military service, and I'm just happy to live foxhole vicariously though youtube. Keep up the good work mate.
Rightfully so. And I appreciate that you can enjoy Foxhole though UA-cam though! If you ever do decide to get the game hit me up on Discord and I will see if I can help you get the lay of the land :D
Thanks for your support!
@@RobertLovesGames no worries mate and cheers, I'll keep that in mind if I ever pick it up. Definately into the logistician gameplay.
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YOOOO. That guy, DVSwhitescar, have 5 accounts in Foxhole and you could often see nicknames "DVSwhitescar" and "DVSwhitescar5" in the list of players on server. He just used them to flagged, if some building was in the way. He won't cooperate, he talk less and he wanted only what he needed and he dont care. if someone wanted to give him access to resources and use factory, he refused because he wanted to do it his own way. What's why "community in it are awful"
Hard to say, play 5k hours in foxhole - that's wild and cool
Oh wow I didn't catch that! He sounds like a super toxic sweaty vet honestly.
Not someone I would want to play with. Hopefully he is not around much.
Thanks for sharing that!
damn that kronus pic looks like a mugshot lmao
lol I love it! Pretty sure it's the only picture that shows up of him when you google him.
I’m not sure what the devs have done to mitigate alting but I’ve definitely still seen it even in this most recent war. My clan’s solution was to essentially have a “guard” if we had a vehicle we really didn’t want stolen that we couldn’t put in the seaport. We had our fair share of “hey do you need help?” With low ranks wandering our facility and some would just be looking for the front or something and we’d help them but most wouldn’t reply and just run away. We’d never know if that was just some younger player scared of some random person talking to them or an alt potential scouting our base. So yeah the alt paranoia is real
I have a slide in the video that shows somethings they have added. Like if someone throws a logi truck full of supplies into the water the supplies actually just go back in to the seaport. Where in the past they were actually lost. They have made a lot of small changes but they have helped a lot honestly.
Yea unfortunately it's still really hard to tell ha. Having a guard is a good idea. Or at least someone with radio and checking on your base for any circles every now and then is a good idea as well.
Thanks for sharing your experience with this!
Regiment job position: Facility Security Personnel 😂😅
I followed general etiquette by not taking what wasn't mine, but starting toward the beginning of the war in the backline may have helped. I asked questions then anounced I was new to the game. I usually always got help, and people told me about their fear of alts. Many of my starting questions were whether or not I could take things, because I knew it took time and resources to make everything. Joining the game for logi may have affected the way I approached the game.
I think I went on a rant, but this time it felt right.
This is basically how I started the game as well. I got Foxhole because of logi. And logi are like the nicest people in the game so I think our experience is why we haven't had as many bad experience with Foxhole. 99% of logi bros are super patient and kind unlike the more combat focused players.
This was a great rant and great read for new players if they are looking through this comment section!
Thanks for sharing this!
Love the name and shame idea for folks abusing the report button. I don’t consider it “witch hunting” if you have the receipts or proof to back up your claims. Unfortunately, folks who are community mods don’t agree with that sentiment.
Last time I made a video name and shaming a salty player, the FOD community mod team gave me a warning and removed the video from the discord channel lol. I will say they also timed out the salty player but it’s weird that calling out toxic behavior can get you in hot water too. Great video Rob!
With how the social interaction in this game works it really is a shame that if you try and call someone out for being toxic that there is a possibility that you might get in trouble as well.
Thanks for sharing your experience with this! I had no idea that happened to you!
Thanks for the kind words and your support!
my rank is OCdt. Recently, at the end of the war, we were surrounded in breakwater, me and a few other colonials were guarding the northern road, then a warden ran and instead of shooting at him, we started larping, that we were a free republic, we were talking about the new update and stuff, then a major ran and he started shouting at us, he tried to kill us, but we defeated him, and literally 10 seconds later, he started yaping on world chat that we were giving out Intel to our enemies, teamkilling, and generally being alts, luckily, my clan found out about it and we were spared. sorry for my english
lol some people take this game way to seriously sometimes.
Glad you all were having a fun time! Thanks for sharing your story!
And you had great english! Really easy to read.
Reminds me of old PlanetSide 1 gaming days of trading jackhammers for lashers 😂
Everyone is an alt! Except for me 😎
CB is the only person in Foxhole that can be trusted. Everyone make sure to hand over all your goods to him if you see him on the battlefield.
He will single handedly win you the front!
@@RobertLovesGames win it for the other side 😅
My major issue with Foxhole is the weird current cult of personality surrounding SecretBismarck. For those new to Foxhole, Bismarck used to be a seemingly helpful member of the community, writing up manuals to teach new players and whatnot. However, as is the case with various "vets" (people who play foxhole for too long begin to suffer from brain rot, and actually believe they've experienced war from playing a video game), this took a turn for the worse. In an attempt at misguided vigilantism, Bismarck has taken it upon himself to "uncover" building exploits/glitches/bugs for the devs to fix.
Well, that's what he tells himself anyway. Instead of finding said exploits for the pure purpose of removing them, he instead deploys them to his regiment's advantage, in active combat zones, and to the very least of my knowledge, has done so for the last 10 wars (well except when NEP quit because of Warden Bober exploits, ironic doesn't begin to cover it). I'm a builder in Foxhole, and I'll be the first to admit it is wank. However, creating new forms of glitches (Bismarck Cores, as he has so humbly named them, gravel foundations surrounding BB, making it nigh unkillable) isn't going to improve that.
I have noticed this a lot more frequently as well with Bismarck and a lot of vet players that find out exploits. They are under the impression that if they abuse them as much as they can it will help the developers remove them faster. Which I haven't really seen from Siege Camp.
It's fine to try and figure out these exploits and find out how they work just don't use them against the other faction.
UA-camman bad.
Now seriously... it's the broken window theory. There's toxicity yes, but the biggest issue is not the toxicity itself but the fact that it goes unpunished, so victims either quit the game or become toxic themselves.
It used to be that the large coalitions of players (and clans) were the actual enforcers of civility within this game, not the moderators (which were really few and some... well... you know what they say, power corrupts people). At some point they started caring more about winning the war that about keeping the game civil and free of cheaters, and this is where it led us.
lol! UA-camMan is always bad.
Very true! I've never heard that theory before.
I know we all want to win the wars for our factions but we really need to make sure we aren't doing it at the cost of giving new players a bad experience.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this! Appreciate it!
Lock out " similar to weapon lock out 20min"
what there should be instead of only banning we can lock out a players abiliy to do something and give them the reason example i steal someone vic like a tank they report me then i cant take or use that kind of vic i get a small side window tutorial stating the reason
"you stole a players vic and got reported for it, every thing in this game is made by a player please understand that unless you made it ask if its ok to take. communication is key in this game."
this can be done for new players for clear alts you still have the option of being kicked out of the game by players that banned you
Zone message popup
+ when it comes to player made facilitys there should be area claim were as soon are you go into the zone there are popup message example messages like:
"dont take vic or you will be shot"
" this facility is for clan members and friends only... "
abit like when you enter a new zone you get a notification about it. the messages will stating it will be semi locked into your screen unless your part of the clan or seen it for a while or click yes i understand on the message it will be auto translated for each language
Highlighting when hovering over something states message
+ there should be high light marker that should state on the vic if i hover over it and its claimed by a clan it should state "private dont take" or "public free to use" each player can place it on there vic and leave a small message for other players to be aware this message gets specialy in faciliys or in private parking lots
over all warning is key
I like that pop up idea explaining what the player did wrong. These types of things need to be in home region some place as well.
That would be really cool if the communication was set up that way. We basically have to use signs for that kind of stuff right now.
Foxhole does need a bit of a quality of life update for communication tools I think. I just want a quality of life update overall ha. No more vehicles for while besides the new ships that are coming out.
I agree about having warnings in game is key. Especially with so many of them right now being unwritten rules.
Thanks for sharing your ideas and thoughts on this!
I can honestly say, I played with a group of friends and we spent 5 days farming and assembling 3 trucks of artillery and ammunition, we took them to a city on the front and for those who know how artillery works, you can't use it anywhere due to the wind , distance, etc... We had information that an enemy convoy would pass carrying resources and the only area we could hit them was next to the city's respawn, we had about 30 seconds to get there, aim and fire, in this rush we ended up that we ran over a person because the city was busy, this person spent the next 4 hours following us, trying to steal our ammunition and vehicles and cursing us in the voice, after that we started to simply report anyone in their first "troll" attitude, then a few weeks ago we reported a guy who had entered our truck and after that he said in the chat that he was a newbie and didn't know how to play, FoxHole's biggest current problem is exactly that the line between a "newbie" and a "troll" is so tenuous that without dialogue it is impossible to differentiate, and this is caused exactly by the lack of a learning curve provided by the game to newcomers.
Oh my gosh! I'm sorry that happened that is so annoying!
And I agree it's really hard to know where that line is. And I agree that the lack of tutorial is a cause of this.
Thanks for sharing that story and your thoughts on this!
Man, I feel bad for those new players who happened to cross paths with those sweaty vets
It really is a make or break for some of those new players with the stories I've heard.
Some new player literally quit Foxhole just because they met a salty vet within their first 2 hours of playtime.
I think it kind of stinks that sometimes the player retention is based on luck and who you meet when you first play.
@@RobertLovesGames Problem is that "salty vet" meet those 20-30 per day, of course they will lash it out on someone. But where are clips where salty vet actually helps the guy?
@@eTheBlackDoesn't matter they don't have the right to lash out at random people
@@bobobobob2 or what? Who cares. Just mute and move on. If you cant handle that, then online games arent for you. Welcome to internet.
@eTheBlack Bro what 💀 I dont care if they're mean thats not the problem, the problem is that you get banned.
Don’t play foxhole , it’s bad for your health.
The addiction at the start is real once you are hooked.
I wanted to buy it but if you say so
My worst experience which is 50/50 split in chat was half the people thinking it's "part of the game" to have other players take anything they want from your private base and if you don't have everything you own in a private stockpile instead of a private bunker base on your own island then it's your fault and everything should be free. Had my base I work for so long for on partisan island basically destroyed by friendlies who believe they could take whatever they wanted. When posted in chat 50% said this was okay while the other half backed me.
The good thing was 2 nearby clans basically tried everything they could to help get me back to speed but I was kinda done after that and am on a long break from the game.
I honestly think some supplies can be taken from some bunkers. My example would be having a tank on frontline and we run out of ammo. There is a close midline bunker with 100+ shots. We will go take some of those to get back to the frontline to support as fast as we can.
I think taking resources from bunkers in backline is not something you should do though 99% of the time.
People destroying bases is never good. Did they explain why it needed to be destroyed?
Sorry that happened to you :/
Thanks for sharing your experience and stories with this issue. Appreciate it!
@@RobertLovesGames If its public, its public. Supplies rotting in Backline dont help anybody. Things that are vital for Bases like Msupps and Shirts arent easy to take out anymore like it was in Beta
Yeah I mean shit in public stockpile is up for grabs. Doesn’t mean it’s not shitty to move certain things like fuel or base supplies or whatever, but it’s going to happen if it’s public. That being said anybody intentionally destroying supplies should be reported.
As a regiment we have to consider overstocking our bases and shit for pubs. That’s how the game is. We can’t except every player to make their own shit and make their own bases. And honestly without pubs we don’t really have a game. They’re the backbone of the game as the majority of players are solo casual players. So we take that into account building our shit and making things available.
Isn’t this normal to understand? Maybe more people are selfish and shallow minded than I thought.
@@Kesen2003 Late to this but exactly, in my base, it was pretty good rule that our storage was open to the public, and that anything in there *may* get taken or relocated. same with all of our vehicles, but it was the people who would come in the night when we were off line, and literally siphon our fuel, steal all our bmats- and supps and than fuck off that pissed us off, this was before you could see the logs on these things too.
Yeah you make things public, that means it's for the taking. If you want only certain people to have certain things, you'll have to micromanage.
Gets team-killed and mass reported because some control freak doesn't like the fact I had mats on me (despite the fact I'd stolen them from the other team)
Oh but that makes me a troll trying to cause issues in the game I guess, guess I'll just uninstall.
Clan man bad.
Dang sorry that happened to you :/ you hate to see it
Sorry, but you are wrong in putting the blame onto the players for the community being toxic and unwelcoming. That is entirely fault of the devs. They could have kept the game size small and maintain moderation which in a game like this simply HAS to be there, the lack of it resulted in players taking on the role of policing. They could have made ACTUAL good and fun tutorial and tutoring system where new players assign themselves under one of the online vets that signed up for it. Average vet should not be responsible for teaching new players. Many don't want to suffer their incompetence, especially when encountering them while working toward something else, which for me used to be like 98% of gameplay.
Everything in this game takes hours, building, preparing and transporting a tank to the front takes between 1-2 IRL hour, it obviously frustrates a vet when a Pvt. Joe "AcciDenTally" wrenches it, locks it and drives it into death, or just cluelessly stands behind the tank thinking we are a nice piece of cover for his personal benefit while blocking our only means of escape from potential enemy push, because the game doesn't let you drive over them if they are pressed against you and you aren't in motion. So many things like that exist and builders get it much, much worse than tankers. The game demands a lot from players so if you don't want to be yelled at you need to know a lot, because everything you do has potentially catastrophic consequences if you do it wrong. If the game was faster a mistake could only cost you 5 minutes to rectify, currently most mistakes will cause HOURS of lost progress so obviously they will grow deep resentment to those that cause those mistakes.
A lot of vets see newbies as NPC drones that can't be used for anything. Unreliable, lacking general awareness and inefficient in anything they do. There is a reason why IRL armies don't accept people with under 83 IQ and a new player in as complex and niche game as Foxhole is essentially equivalent to the status of 'imbecile' until he learns and many won't be willing to do that before experiencing the great parts of the game and they won't experience those great parts because more and more of them are being locked behind significant amount of coordination and experience... That's why this is such common criticism in the negative reviews, it's not the toxicity, it's the direction the game took way back and now is simply paying the price for it.
I agree with you that it's the devs fault. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. I think I was more so trying to explain to players on how to avoid these types of interactions. Every gaming community has a toxic side that should be avoided. Thank you for pointing this out and calling me out. I need to keep myself checked on this at times as well especially if I don't explain myself clearly.
I love your tutorial idea for helping new players! That sounds amazing honestly. Some kind of mentoring program.
I agree that a lot of things in this game take a lot of work. And I get that vets with many many hours in this game can get very salty. There is no need for them to take it out on the players though. Should be teaching moments.
I see new players as puppies that needed to be guided if they want to be and help them as much as I can. I know a lot of others have this mentality as well. There are just a few that make it worse for new players.
And I agree that ever since facilities the direction for coordination with others has gone in the wrong direction. And I hope the devs address that soon.
Thanks for your insight on this and having the conversation! Always feel free to call me out! Appreciate the discussion!
Foxhole players are extremely toxic, that's why i left a year ago, you know what they say? "Good, leave us, you're not welcome here"
I tried gathering resources but a group of players chased me out for "taking their spot"
Sorry that happened to you! I have personally never had that happen and only heard stories. Some clans can be real jerks honestly.
Players will say that and continue to harass people off the game, and then blame the devs for the game dying a few years later
I have bought foxhole once but stopped playing cause i didnt understand how the game is seposed to be played. I had an playtime of 2.7 hours i think.
But i still love foxhole
Let me know if you ever get back on! I’ll catch you up and show you around if you want!
T3c loves to do this. Did it to me because I accidentally did 3% to a logi truck with a grenade. They are a garbage regiment.
Never heard of that regi! You hate to hear this though. Sorry that happened to you!
I think this is the kind of information need to know though so we can be like "oh yea T3c will mass report new players over anything"
Thanks for sharing your experience with this and again sorry that happened to you!
All this really boils down to, is alting causes people to be overly paranoid which in turn harms the new player experience. So simply solution is people need to stop alting lol.
lol I agree! The devs have implemented ways to mitigate alting luckily but it's still out there unfortunately.
I think the vets can take their paranoid mindsets down a notch or two at this point ha.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
@@RobertLovesGames I agree. I do my best to get to the bottom of supposed alting and have helped a lot of new players avoid the ban hammer. Luckily I'm well enough known and respected in game that when I determine it's just a noob making mistakes people lay off.
Ha glad to hear you are able to use your powers for good!
Why would i invest in a game if i can't play it when i want because i can get banned by the hardcore players.
Well the point of this video is not every player is like that. There are a lot of nice players that will help you learn the game so you can do what you want.
As I mentioned in the video it is sort of like a Minecraft or Rust. You can't really just join a server and start taking out other peoples buildings or taking their stuff that they spent time gathering and crafting for.
But if are worried that you can just run free in the game and do as you please then this game is probably not for you. This is a team game. You join a faction and your goal should be to help your faction.
Foxhole NEEDS CLANS like FMAT! I just recently joined this AMAZING group!
What is FMAT you ask? FMAT teaches all new players, everything that is made is PUBLIC ACCESS. Our whole PURPOSE is to make public infrastructure and materials for players no matter who you are.
There’s no toxicity in this group (from what I’ve seen) and everyone is willing to help any player no matter how new they are! BE A KINDER foxhole player! BE like FMAT
Hey, wanna start playing foxhole casually (because of time restraints). Is FMAT warden or colonial clan?
Most annoying thing sometimes is seeing rankless or low rank players running around, try to reach out to them in both chat and voip to ask if they need help, and they just run away without communicating. Although i and my acquaintances have some success stories, sometimes training and introducing players to the game is pyrrhic, because once they learn the logi system they'll log out and never return.
Agreed! That makes me even more paranoid! I normally follow them around even longer if I have time.
I've had that plenty of times as well of teaching new players and never really seeing them again. I just trained a guy in one of my most recent videos and I would not be surprised if he didn't come back and play Foxhole lol.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience with this! Also thanks for training new players!
The new player mass reporting problem ties into the Alt cheating problem. If a person makes an Alternate account and uses it to hand over a whole bunch of materials from a collie supply depot to the warden side whats to stop them from claiming "Oh im r nub, I make mistake."
Oh for sure. The devs have no put some other mechanics in the game to prevent that from happening as often.
But your right we still do need mass reporting for those situations.
My question is:
How are clans etc punished if it is revealed they reported without reason etc.
If the answer is, they are not punished.
Great question! If a clan chooses to mass report a player the devs will find out and will find out who is coordinating the false report and that player can be perma banned. We know for fact it has happened to a few leaders in clans in the past.
To get yourself in this situation is really difficult honestly. If you find out it's happening to you make sure you record or take screenshots so you can send those in with the report.
If you have any other questions let me know! Feel free to DM me on discord!
@@RobertLovesGames Thanks for the quick answer!
May we meet in battle next! :P
to be fair, before Larry was banned he was being harrassed constantly by Alts they even took pride in their alting i remember watching the guy that was streaming himself alting and griefing Larry. I dont even know the full story of why Larry was banned but he was a good foxholer and colonial leader who helped lead the colonials to victory for like 6 straight wars including war 100
I remember those days as well. I do wish we could get Larry back. I think he has been banned long enough.
I did the mine thing where i placed mines with friendly tanks nearby. I got chewed out for it.
I assumed since my logi truck wasn't trigging the friendly mines that tanks wouldnt have that problem either.
Happens to a lot of new players unfortunately ha
@@RobertLovesGames ya even if the developers had tips on the loading screen with these factoids. It would be a help.
Hello,
after listening to your feedback, and as a newish player, I really think a proper tutorial would do much good to the game.
Welcome to Foxhole! And yes we all agree that Foxhole really should have a more in depth tutorial.
I don't know if you have seen this other video by me but having the tutorial be from the players is actually pretty nice as well.
ua-cam.com/video/JevQubDiEJI/v-deo.html
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this and welcome to Foxhole!
I can truly say that Foxhole has, on the whole, one of the best communities of any team-based multiplayer game that I've played in recent memory.
If you ask for help, you will receive it. Old players love teaching new players (partly because new players have no preconceived notions about what to do, so they're down for whatever) because having another well-informed, invested player on your team only increases your chance of success 😐7
Agreed!
Very well said! o7
Hey just watched your video. just startet the game a few days ago and racked up almost 50hrs already. the thing i see here, or even other games and my personal friends is: I look videos about the games i play. i teach "myself" what to do an what not by watching videos like yours and others dont. I sometimes feel frustrated even with my friends because they dont inform themselfs first or even later in the game. I understand that not everyone will watch 50hrs of videos befor or while the play the game, but maybe at the beginning while the game is downloading, watch a video or two read some tutorials for beginners. often there are realy good 10-20 minute long videos explaining the basics of the game and do/dont stuff. Maybe it would be great to get a pop up when you start the game, or something about a tutorial video. ive seen this in other games where dev credit a content creator for the work with something like that.
Hope you understand what i mean and understand my english. by the way, you made me buy the game finaly. ive seen it so many times but one of your videos got me into it and im loving it :D
Nice! I respect that you teach yourself how to play the game. This is kind of a hard game to do that in because the devs have built the game around working together. So if you don't know the unwritten rules about the game right away it can be hard to know what is right and wrong.
I would love more tutorial information in the game! That would be awesome!
Great English and I think I followed what you said :D Glad you are enjoying the game!
I bought a steamdeck just to play Foxhole, but the more I learn about the playerbase in this game, the more I regret my decision. The reddit as a stickied tread for advice and the other day I asked one question and got downvoted for it severely. Like if you can't even ask for advice in a safe space designed for asking for advice, how on Earth will this playerbase not just ban and suspend everyone?
Sounds fun! I know few players that plan on steamdeck. I would recommend ignoring everyone on reddit. The nice people are the ones actually in the game and playing it. Reddit Foxhole is mainly for complaining. Feel free to DM me on discord any time you need help with anything or have questions. I've built a really positive and helpful community to help new players.
I really want to play this game, I feel like I have been waiting my entire life for something like this, its like an RTS++ where I can just be a fucking conscript
Exactly! I played a lot of RTS back in the day. This game scratches an itch that no other game can. Feel free to DM me on discord if you have any questions about the game!
I was banned on the 3rd hour in for an hour. some guy accused me of stealing his tank when i just spawned in. i took the day off before jumping back in.
Dang sorry to hear that :/ Let me know if you need to find some kinder players to play with and tank with! Feel free to DM me on discord!
All you have to do is say your new and ask for help. Worked for me
Biggest problem is that big clans own resources fierder which make new players difficult to build a verhicle.
90% of clans share the resources though and even help new players make vehicles. Just need to find the right clans.
so there are more problems as a non clan affiliated person, clans will also tend to claim a are and resouces especially component spawn areas making it nigh impossible to make anything above basic supplies and clans also tend to hoard materials that could very well mean the difference between success or failure in a nearby battle. I remember running logi to origin and passing multiple pallets of arty shells and could not access them to bring to the front and there were the clan members online at the time ignoring origins pleas for arty shells. Clans get rather elitist as well and can sour the experience for those of us who cant spend more than a couple of hours in the game a week.
I've played on both sides and while there are a few clans who "hoard" resources most resources are still easy to get to make whatever you want. Just depends where you are in the war and where you are in the tech tree. Like once light tanks tech rmats are super hard to get. But once you give it a day for the rush to die down they are easy to get again.
I agree with you that some clans out their hoard way to many resources and don't know when to release them to the public. I've seen containers and containers full of components that don't get used unfortunately.
Like others have said it's sometimes just best to join a clan right away when you start to learn the game and that way you have access to basically everything without having to fight other people for it.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this! Appreciate it!
maybe just have 2 servers? 1 for a new players, and 2 for the advanced servers (?) when joining the advanced server, give a warning that you will be played in a serious environment.
vet can play on 2 servers and the main purpose they in the news server is to recruit and recommend new players to play in the advanced server if he/she is decent enough to play.
let the newb server be an anarchy server without report system?. idk just idea on my top of my head xD
Unfortunately due to the game's population at any given time the game does not really run well with two servers. Makes one server basically dead and then the other just half populated.
Idea works in theory but just not for this game at this time. If we had more of a player base I would be all for it!
Thanks for sharing your idea and thoughts on this!
when I was a noob I saw a mine in the road if friendly and just as I was about to disarm it when a tank drove over it.
I got blamed for laying the mine.
in rage at the insult I barely manage to type "it wasn't mine"
they insult me for trying to claim it wasn't A mine.(and reported me)
Sorry to hear that :/ that stinks!
their should be a training shard where the noobs of both teams could learn to fight and build that is about1-3 hexes big center for fighting with uncontestable space for a few vets to test BB construction methods without pressure that gets wiped weekly to reduce memory issues going there would be less embarrassing than the training zone currently is
I would love that!
The report system should be overwatched. Someone at siege camp should review, especially mass, reports, and if reports weren't for a good reason, their reporting strength should be diminished, while players with good reporting habits should be more influential in reporting.
Agreed! I know they keep an eye on mass reporting but they don't have enough people to do it all the time it seems like. Hopefully they will continue to improve on the banning system.
I got mass reported for scrooping, they had "claimed" the node and decided that it was a good thing to mass report players for just trying to help.
It IS the number 1 issue and it is an issue with the mentality that clans are their own faction.
Oof! Sorry to hear that :/ some people can be real jerks about resources sometimes.
And I agree that this is still the number one issue with Foxhole. Though this type of situation I've found only happens to a small amount of the player base it's still not a good thing for it to continue. I hope the devs can continue to find ways for us to work together instead of clans thinking they need to horde all the resources.
Thanks for sharing your experience with this!
Yeah, I first bought the game about a year ago. I found a base next to a scrap field and spent many hours just filling the bases resource transfer station with scrap using their vehicles. Then I got banned for stealing their vehicles. Gave up on the game entirely and only came back a couple days ago to give it a second shot
Oof! Sorry that happened to you :/
I would suggest finding a clan to play with for while or just letting people know that you are new. That normally helps people be less paranoid about what your intentions are.
Let me know if you need help with anything! DM me on discord any time!
In my experience, Foxhole is the least toxic game i have ever played, especially with such a big community. As in every game, and the real world too unfortunately, there will always be toxic people. However, in this game i can count on one hand the toxic experiences i have had. The amount of positive experiences greatly out-shine the toxic ones.
I agree with you. There are a lot of kind people in Foxhole. I tend to tell players if you give off positive energy in Foxhole you will get it back. People that seem to tend to have problems with others tend to have problems with more than just one person and then it seems they may be the problem.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Glad you have generally had a positive one!
I'll be jumping into foxhole today and keeping this in mind, I personally just really wanna learn how to logi good!
That's awesome! Feel free to join my discord and DM me any questions you have or if you need help learning something!
Siege camp needs to do a better job on handling alts and instituting a successful and helpful turorial instead of the jump in follow deploy written on ground then chaos ensues.
Agreed on both of those. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
I never understood ppl whining about not knowing what to do. Like I was there and figured basics on my own with wiki help, just slow the fuck down and learn instead of rushing in. seroulsly git gud newbs in all games of the world, its a game not quantum physics.
I agree with a lot of this. Might just be the zoomer type gamers that get everything fed to them from other games and come to Foxhole expecting something similar.
Best advice is for a newb to any mmo is to go in thinking "I want to learn how this works" instead of "I want to do this". Lone Wolf mentality will just make you enemies on both sides
True! Very well said! Thanks for sharing that!
Been thinking about getting the game, and this was good to hear. This is clearly a game that takes work be good at.
Glad this helped! And I would say so. Especially when sometimes you need to have patience and work with others :D
Feel free to DM me on discord if you have any other questions about the game or if you need help learning anything!
Witch-huntinting killed many times more organisations than witches themselves.
Never had any problems with mass reporting but i can see where reviews come from.
Just a few days ago i suggested a quick plan to a big clan on a frontline. Said plan included the use of barges and certain equipment in the inventory.
Clan organised very fast, and in minutes we were ready. Except we couldn't move because one "random" player jumped on a barge exceeding its transport limit (6 people). Since inter-regiment comms become quite hectic, instead of spending a lot of time to explain the situation, clanman just killed the guy.
Were they wrong? Probably, but the guy retaliated, team killing multiple clanman. Clanman then mass reported the guy.
Yea those situations are tough. Egos get in the way a lot in this game and cause situations like this. If people just let it go and moved on this wouldn't happen.
Thanks for sharing that story. These are important stories to hear.
I got banned for like 12 or 24 hours from a mass report for building a trench some clan member didn’t like.
Edit: I quit the game for months after this and eventually came back. I definitely left a negative review and made a seigecamp ticket and got that general email the next day saying I could play again. Didn’t help me at the time though because I play games like once a week, so banning me for a day is like banning me for a week. Needless to say I was salty and didn’t return for several months. And even now I’m distrustful of the population. I’m a casual player that does mostly solo but some regiment events.
Dang sorry that happened to you :/ hate people like that in Foxhole.
I'm glad you came back though! And thank you for sharing your experience with this. It really helps new players understand that yes this is an issue but it has gotten better.
Simplest solution is to update and rework tutorial. Main problem of game is that vets have no choice . Teaching new players is obligatory . You either teach them, instead tutorial, or they become time delayed bomb for your team. Why can't they just update tutorial? There is so many mechanics which have to be explained by vets ,but all them are same. How do you think, after how many new players teached by you ,you figure out , that you repeating same problematic things again and again.
You become NPC, you become tutorial . This is not okay. Teaching for vets is another grind. Grind in game makes people toxic. Explaining basics is job of game, not vets. Expierience of new players depends on grind and time spend by other players.
You've teached 10 people, 20 people, 40 people and etc. Some of them are just random dudes and some are your clanmates so you can track their ingame route.
Well, you have clan with flow of new players, you teach them instead tutorial again and again, not about advanced things, just basics ,about logi and building. Most of them will understand ,that for most movements in game you need logi grind. So they leave game and never return, because you quickly open them eyes on how this game works. You wasted time on them. But some of them will accept it and stay. Those will split on casual players who will not grind at all , and no lifers , who will try to build their bases and facilities, who will supply everything, and who will do logi.
Amount of wasted time melts your morale pretty quick.
Totally agree. Think we all agree as a community the tutorial needs updated.
In some ways I like that vet players teach new players as it makes the game seem little organic and alive more. But I think we can still do that and still have a better home region tutorial as well. There is a happy middle somewhere there.
And yes the burnout can happen a lot faster as well. I've kind of always knew this game was a bit of a grind but I'm crazy enough to enjoy it for some reason ha.
Thanks for your thoughts on this! Appreciate it!
When i played this game i was afraid of the report system so i just keep myself on the front with rifle and anything else, just constantly dying to the meat grinder or be a medic.
I didn't took anything and stayed away from every vehicle or even weapons.
I left the game because i downloaded it in first place because i wanted to do logi, but my mind went to every thing is occupied and even if i build something some clan could just report me or destroy what i build. So i just refrain to do it
Btw i was more paranoic because even when i understand and i can talk english, im not fluent enough
I'm sorry to hear that! Come back and do logi! I or someone else would be happy to show you around!
Your english sounds good to me. Even if you can only type in game. Or you can find logi group that speaks your language!
I was in the Krieg regiment, the big one. And that Avitus guy just banned me from the reg just because I was 'a noob' even tho my idea on the strategy at hand was better than his.
Even in regiment the game is not that fun to be franck. I liked it more when people used to be togather and play as a team on each front rather than coordinating on discords.
Dang that stinks :/ does not sound like good leadership. I agree that I would much rather coordinate in game than in a discord. Devs need to keep giving us good communication tools to do that.
Thanks for your thoughts on this!
It's sad how steam-rating can decide the faith of games these days. Most negative reviews is just some dumb shitkid who is frustrated because the game isnt dumbed down enough for them. Maybe its time to say ByeBye Steam.
In some ways I agree with you. I would say I hate how a playerbase that has played a really long time can change their steam review to negative if the devs do an update they don't like. I don't like that kind of review bombing.
And yea if you are right. Even if you read through the Foxhole one's it mainly sounds like a bunch of troll players or people that don't understand the game and never asked questions that had a bad time.
I quit gaming entirely until i get my life back on track. Foxhole is the best game i have ever played. I simply dont have another 4,000 hours of time to dedicate.... been playing since 12/2019
Respect. Good to know when life comes first and when to take a break! Good on you!!
Hmm.. They could look into putting in a volunteer moderator program. Some players who love the game would probably be willing and be mature enough to moderate the game.
They tried this and community mods got to corrupt and power hungry ha
My first week plaing this game (war 82) I got a 2 hour ban because I was digging a trench XD. I think it was my 3rd or 4th day playing and I got to a front and grabbed a shovel and started digging... this made the clan man mad and i got reported... I remember them yelling at me and telling me to stop, and in my defiance i told them to kiss my posterior (more or less worded differently :)). The ban didnt stop me from playing at all but it was at this moment I learned that the mob unfortunitly do have this power. through out the rest of my time playing this game I have had some bad experiances with regards to clans and have witnessed some stuff, however i have had WAY more good experiances and good fun that outway these blips. With many more hours under my belt and working my way up the ranks I can see where the mistrust is, and the frustration on new players... its difficult to say what the best way to manage the system to prevent abuse but I do feel like it needs to be rethought. This is a tuff one
The banning new players for making trenches is such a meme but too real at the same time lol. Sorry that happened to you ha.
Glad that you were a good sport about it and that it didn't make you quit! And glad to hear you have had more positive experience than negative. I think new players need to hear this the most.
I appreciate you sharing your experience on the situation! I hope to see you on the front some time digging trenches again lol!
Sadly it happens way too often. I hear people say "I don't trust no rank players" or "I don't trust a clanless person." I heard this yesterday while in reaching trail.
True! Like I said in the video even myself after 1,000 hours in this game is little paranoid around no or low ranks. But I try to help them first and make sure they aren't up to anything. I've actually never seen any crazy trolling or alting first hand.
I've never really heard that people don't trust clanless players! Interesting!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
@@RobertLovesGames The issue with the clanless players is when you're high rank and no clan. It makes you wonder how they got that high without working with anyone. That's the big paranoia on that one. That's something shady's going on to get that high.
Ahhh gotcha. I had never thought of that or heard of that.
@@RobertLovesGames Yes, because if they have no rank no one will trust them, but if they have an actual rank then people are more likely to trust them if they're going to alt. So it stands to reason that if you see a person with no regiment tag, you might question them a little bit. Not to say that's the case with everyone that has a rank but no tag.
Ive been reported (back when report votes would show up in chat) for submitting 20 rmats to a townhall back in war 82 time (on shard 2). I wasnt banned but someone felt i was greifing by submitting 20 rmats to a logi towns townhall and clicked the report user button on me, still one of the funniest things ive experienced
Wow that's crazy lol. The things some vets get upset about in this game really blows my mind honestly.
Thanks for sharing that!
When I was looking whether I would buy foxhole I looked at the reviews and saw all of the toxic clans mass reporting new player posts and it made me really question wheter i wanted to spend money on a game that if I made a mistake I would be mass reported and banned but in the end I decided to try. I got lucky aswell as when doing logi I fully was under the impression of most vehicles in seaports and towns are free to take people just lock them forget about them and what not so I wrenched a ironship at a seaport thinking someone left it there and got screamed at shot at while trying to explain that i dint know about it. I dint get mass reported but the reaction I got did make me switch fronts as I dint want to run into the people that wear really agressive to me for a mistake. (I also wasnt aware you could load more than one container on a Ironship).
Now i'm 1.400 hours deep in a clan and I have seen alts and what not but still ill try to see and help new players as I once was a new player dealing whit the same unkown comunity. but yeah communication is really key
Thanks for sharing that! This helps new players a lot to understand this. I had a similar situation with the freighter happen last night when I was cleaning up the area. It still happens to us vets as well. Just some salty people out there ha.
Glad to see you kept on playing! See you out there!
i started 3 weeks ago and everyone was super nice and helpful. i never encountered toxicity, every time i asked about something someone just took me on a tour and explained stuff in detail maybe im lucky but i feel this game is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar far less toxic than any other pvp game.... like smite, league, for honor, apex legends all full of realy disgusting people, in this game everyone is just chill and joking around.
Glad to hear you had a great first experience!
This is important for new players to see so thanks for sharing this.
And welcome to Foxhole!!
I started playing foxhole last war and I can check off every item you listed about new players (except the banning part). I was blamed and reported for TKing a teammember who was stuck in a building and thus asked me to shoot him. Another occasion I was accused of suspicious behaviour when I was wandering around the map trying to understand logi. On the frontlines it is quite common to be yelled at for small mistakes.
Of course in the heat of battle people get emotional, I very much get that. But I would definitely say that the amount of salty comments to new players is quite high in Foxhole compared to other online games.
This however didn't stop me from playing Foxhole for 100 hours already. It is an awesome game with an awesome community. But still, how good the intentions of the majority may be, I feel that a salty minority do not leave enough room for new players to make mistakes and learn. In my opinion this is partly a community issue, party a development issue (tutorials are certainly outdated).
For now: why not mark a region as "logi training"? Vet players could hang around if they like to teach and new players can learn and still contribute to the war effort.
Welcome to Foxhole!
Oh no! All the bad things did happen to you! I'm glad you made it through all that and are still playing! Some players just quit unfortunately!
I agree that "vet" players definitely push newer players away a lot more in Foxhole with how aggressive they are.
I would love something like that! There are regi/clans that dedicate time to teaching new players which is awesome.
I mentioned this in another comment but I would love to see a list of like "mentors" in game where it was a list of trusted players and you can see when they are online and message them for questions or something like that.
This is a good testimony for new players to hear. So thank you for sharing this!
Let me know if you ever have any questions about Foxhole!
the way I was able to bounce back from a few bad new player chew outs was hear people thank me for giving them my spare fuel after they ran out really sad that fuel lasts longer
I have about 1k hours in foxhole and I personally think the devs should just have less opportunities for team killing. Like maybe you can’t take out 10 cutlers in 50 seconds
Something like that would be really nice honestly.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
Joined during the naval update learned how to operate a train and build Battle Tanks for the Wardens it was pretty cool however I didn't enjoy combat almost at all and it just felt frustrating and annoying with how guns work in the game and the dumb little curser that never knows what I'm actually pointing at
Dang you got into some end game stuff quick! Normally takes people few wars to get into things like Battle Tanks.
I don't really enjoy the combat myself either. I like the logi and building side a lot more.
If you want to get better at aiming there are guides out there that help!
Thanks for sharing your experience!
New players who come across this video. Mh name is Godlyforce, colonial4life, if you ever see me in game, please let me know if you need any help or if there is anything you want to learn.
Thanks for offering to help new players!!
the toxic communities are not a minority considering how huge regs are. You said do something your not supposed to do. there's literally nothing you can do that deserves being verbally abused and harrased by a group of people playing videogame. It's supposed to be fun. Why are you yelling at someone and taking a tank that's not being used is not bannable at all. That's what squad locking is for, and also regs shouldn't be able to hog all the resources especially oil fields. They literally claim it are hostle to anyone they see. We are adults and should be able to have bases next to each other. It's silly. sorry as someone who' has a loud and unique personality that plays usually plays solo mostly because discord channels with like 30 people all hot micing gives me anxiety out the wazoo, but I stand out to say the least so I could see this toxic shit coming as soon as they came out of beta. I actually love foxhole it' was my favorite game, and it sucked watching it fall into this toxic greedy game where people are fighting wth their own team to protect really petty amounts of resources. I'm so bummed. I remember when I was learning facilities I would just go into someone's facility and see how they didi it. That's the best way i foiund to learn how to make facilities. I would literally just go scroop a bunch of shit scrap, comps w/e bring it to a facility and use what i scrooped and see the process, and you woulnd't believe the horrible time i had when regs showed up and how rude and mean they were. Most wouldn't even say hello. they would imedietly freak out. Me in my head is like what are you talking about i'm literally doing your job for you. I'm making this or that. They would harras me anyway. I swear this happened to me almost 90 percent of the time. It wasn't a minority. This shouldn't happened to someone just exploring the game being curious about a new feature of a game.
Not everyone in a reg is toxic though. Only takes few bad eggs to make a whole reg look bad.
I agree with you that no one should be verbally abused. But this is the internet people are jerks. Best to mute and move on from those people. That is why the mute button exist.
Exactly. If they don't want a tank taken they should squad lock it. That's on them. And I agree that clans should not be able to hoard resources. I've talked about this many a times.
Some of us are adults and some of us are adults who still like children. It sadly is just that way.
I get it sometimes it's the loud personalities that get yelled at the most in this game for no reason. I hate it.
Yea something needs to change about facilities so that people aren't paranoid about others using them. Sorry that happened to you.
I agree with everything you have said.
Thanks for sharing this I really appreciate it. New players need to read this and know about this kind of interaction. Thank you!
squad gives you a server ban if you do something againse the server rules like team killing
That makes sense. Unfortunately there is only one server for Foxhole and team killing happens a lot by accident so it's hard to tell when it's on purpose or just an accident.
I got an idea!
When u report someone u are obligated to write an 100 word essay on why that person should be banned
Not bad idea but I would hate to be the employee that has to read all of those lol
Newish player, 95% of people are great. Unfortunately I had a run in with the 5%.
I killed an enemy, picked up his flamethrower to take it back to BB. But having never seen or used one before, I decided to give it a blip - I fired for half a second at nothing just to see the effect. A salty vet appeared out of nowhere immediately, screaming STOP WASTING FUEL!!!!
It's like, dude. I captured this for the team, I'm bringing it back. I literally tapped the mouse to witness the fire. Muted him and moved on.
Sorry you had to run into the 5% of those toxic players! It seems like you handled it the best way and the way everyone should handle it! Mute and move on.
Thanks for sharing this! This should help other new players understand that unfortunately yes these situations still happen but they can be dealt with.
yep it rally big Issue that is stil around . i see a lot of no reson bans abuse over last 5 years . i play game now 7 years .there ar stil lots of vets players that stil half not so much respect for new players . but there lots of friendly veteran around like me that rally want show good parts of to game , but ye what is probern wel all had learm about game so stop keeping hiting our new guys
Yea the problem is still around but luckily I think it has at least gotten better. I think some vets need to still take it down one or two more notches with how paranoid they are about alts.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
Game would benefit immensely from lower-stakes combat experience. A shitty player on an active front is worse than having fewer players there. I don't know if pve has a place in this kind of game but people have a very difficult time building skills when their average life expectancy is about 25 seconds after jumping in the trench
Town of Salem and MVM from TF2 have the same issues.
Yea a lot of games do. I think that is what people need to understand. This is not a Foxhole specific thing but something that happens in almost every community.
I've learned only very recently that friendly mines didn't damage friendly vehicles, im pretty new to the game but still!
Friendly mines do damage friendly assault vehicles. They don't damage logi trucks or flatbeds.
It is all fun and games until FNG takes destroyer for a Joy ride and loose it 5 minutes in to gunboat. Bonus points if other side captures it.
LOL! That's so rough! So many gunboats taking out destroyers this last week.
actually this is the reason i never bought the game so far, i liked the concept and all but a game dependent on clans is not it.
Makes sense. You can still have fun as a solo player though it's much harder. The devs really do want players to work together which is not bad just might not be implemented correctly. They are working towards it though it seems from their previous updates.
Appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this!
This is good video i was just planning to buy game but this helps lot if givin me help in future
Good to hear! If you have any questions about the game feel free to DM me on discord!
I don't think this is the #1 issue of the game I do think it's an issue but in my opinion the size of the map and population is the #1 problem.
I don't know if you heard but I read all 31,000 negative steam comments it is the #1 issue. lol
But you are right I would say it's the number 1 problem for player retention which goes into player population issues and the size of the map as well.
If I got to pick what the number one issue was right now I would honestly ques. Ques are really hurting this game. We need some kind of new system.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
The devs are unfortunately not that concerned about the quality of life in this game. I know they've been busy introducing naval warfare, but that has introduced many more balance issues that the game is seeing now.
There is still so many issues this game has, and I wish they would communicate more about smaller changes that help new and veteran players. The next changes should really look back on all the content that was released and introduce balance/quality of life changes, so this game can be more enjoyable for everyone.
I agree with you. I think they focus on adding to many new mechanics and vehicles and just need to spend some time polishing what they already have.
I think we all knew there would be balance issues with the new ships. It's going to be while before those get remotely close to balanced.
Again I agree with you completely. Hopefully we see some quality of life changes in these next minor updates.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
Idk sometimes just because you in toxic clan people assume you are toxic like the people in the clan :(
Well yea. ha That will happen.
Foxhole NEED better tutorial on start or put in game links to YT to show new player what to do
Agreed! And I like this idea! Put Freerks videos up in the game!
Если вы новичёк,просто поступайте с людьми так,как хотели бы чтоб поступали с вами,не бойтесь замарать руки,кто то строит?Помоги.Кто то истекает кровью?Вылечи.В бункере заканчиваются бинты или рубашки?Поезжай на склад и привези.На складе нет бинтов?Создай их.В этой игре важен каждый игрок.И помните у всех вас одна цель,привести вашу фракцию к победе!
Agreed! Very well said!
Every new player needs to hear this.
Thank you!
i had a no rank dude shot my tank killing it. we reported him, i tryed to /w him i did yell at him when he shot my tank, idk
Wow! Sorry that happened to you. That's so messed up.
People really need to take a chill people with no ranks and take it down couple notches.
should i grab this game? i really like the idea, but i don't know how to learn it
Yo! What do you find the most interesting about Foxhole? Logistics? Combat? Anything specific? I'd be happy to explain any of it before you purchase.
Also feel free to DM me on Discord might be easier to talk about the game there as well.
The Scrap Hauler gameplay is a Psyop
Don't be fool new ppl !!
Lol!
I mean some clans are just plain obnoxious. They build huge fking bases everywhere and it often becomes a chore just to keep up defensive bases and small factories, not to talk about them building on top of your base to dry out Gsupps and they are as likely to steal vehicles that happened to me every time i set up a base for QRF, i always ended up having to replace armoured vehicles because they would keep getting stolen by the same people over and over again. Id say we should reverse the 1.0 update. Before it was quite simple to do logistics and setting up bases as of now, finding vets at the front is a rarity outside of operations. Also armoured vehicles should all be accessible at some point. I dont want to spend 8 hours a day keeping up a facility and competing with massive clans for resources just to get a single vehicle
Well known French clan try to stole me a ship with 4 containers full of bmats when I was coming with the last one. They're already stolen and claimed to be there's I told them where I was going and decided to return me the ship but wait for me there. Just to point me to the factory next to the shipyard. They far less knowledgeable than me but still managed to steal 2 bmats to their personal account, cause I was chilling on me own.
Then I told them they have no fu***ng idea of this game works if I want to bring produced items that's what I being doing cause it takes less space on the ship + we are in the base Right Next to the mass production Factory I was bringing bmats for bases forward bases to advance. But they never return the bmats. Cause you know I don't know what I'm doing and they just helping the hole community disallowing me from thinking how to support the front.
Basically they bring my supplies to a factory closer to the front cause they doesn't want to stay in base producing on the mass production one, new players do work for us that until they are allowed to be into our clan mentality I wasn't new btw. I played r2 engine "mods" I couldn't understand why zombie event never return or the fight club at the start of wars. Independence war was a fantastic one as well.
Dang sorry to hear that :/ And seriously then need the zombie event to return some day!
@@RobertLovesGames to be fair the community is lovely! But you know there is always some strange people. But bringing enemies to the medic to revive them saying that's a father of 3 little children🤣😂.
Can wait to bite you in the Zombie event!
I think the biggest source of this problem is facilities, facilities are too hard for new players to try to learn as they can do a lot of damage from not knowing how the game works, facilities do not allow for collaboration
I completely agree. You can't really do facilities alone and new players who probably like the idea of Factorio or something like that think they can come in and do that in Foxhole. Then other groups get made about mssups in the region or something.
I think facilities can allow for collaboration but only between clans not individual players really.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
definitely need a better way to indicate public vs private facilities even as a veteran I still end up stealing petrol a few times until bothering to go hunting for the gas station