We've done some videos on surron o-ring vs standard chains and it's a dramatic difference in friction. Motocross racers never use o-ring chains the power it robs from you is quite significant and the smaller less powerful bikes you can feel it while riding. You'll never see a 125 or 250f MX racer running o-ring and those bikes have 6x more power than a surron. When you run o-ring on surron you are taking away both power and range. We sell Renthal and Primary drive for surron custom cut for the exact sprocket size. X-ring have slightly less friction than o-ring, but for Surron we HIGHLY recommend a standard chain and keeping it clean and lubed.
Yes we totally agree. In fact that's what brought this all on. The stock o-ring chain was robing so much power (especially from our stock bikes) that we wanted to see if there was really an advantage by going with an x-ring in an effort to keep it less maintenance than what's required of a standard chain. In hindsight I should have mentioned all three chain types. And that all are available on the link we provided. For locals we also cut to the length they need. Thankso much for you comment... great info!
I bought the Primary Drive non o-ring chain 4 months ago. I clean and lube every 3-4 weeks depending on look of the chain. PJ1 non oring chain lube so it's sticky and collects dust and grass. Bought it from you guys along with a Warp 9 aluminum 54-tooth sprocket.
The only down fall with a standard chain would be, your going to hear more chain noise I would think, But I would say you should notice a difference from ORing vs standard in power. Never really thought about the chain but now I want to throw the O-ring chain out lol.
Just got a 58t warp 9 sprocket, been looking to upgrade the chain after 1800 miles. So I used your code and ordered the X at 112 links, super excited to try them out next week!
Ive had my Talaria less than a week and im so in love with it. Already have about 80 miles on it. Itll climb whatever i point it at. Only problem ive had was the front brake rotor bolts came loose on a ride the other day. I eased it home and put loctite on them. Other than that its been amazing. Great range too. Ill have to get an xring chain too!
We're stoked for you! You clearly already know this but you're going to like it even more as you put more time on it and do some component upgrades, depending on the type of riding you mostly do. Here in Utah we're big on nasty rugged mountain riding. In terms of control, comfort, and overall riding fatigue, the Surron is hands down the go to for our type of riding. As for power as you alluded to, there isn't a clear winner; the Talaria is right there with the Ron. I can't say the same of the first Talaria we testing, it was noticably slower. Again, the Talaria has loads of potential but they're new and the consistency and quality control just isn't there yet, which is to be expected. Just the other day we made a rather small modification to our Talaria and it made an enormous improvement on the overall feel and ride of the bike. Keep an eye out for our coming videos where we'll be covering all that. Thanks a ton for your comment, and keep her pinned!!!🤙
@@landonhilton8845 perfect, thank you, reading the other comments, it seems you've now moved on to a bicycle chain for even more efficient, is that right?
Nice video, thanks for the info. I’m going to try my luck at a non oring chain since I’m about to get a new sprocket… but for the love of god please get a clip on microphone, I can barely hear anything you were saying for pretty much the entire video.
I bought an Niche X ring chain same specs as stock ... 420 106 links..... a few months of using it I noticed unusual sounds... I decided to use digital calipers to measure the widths of each the x ring and stock o ring.. | Stock O ring chain from luna (one installed on bike) - widths 14.5mm Niche x ring chain - width 15.5 mm also what was that intro ?? also the the x ring was not quiter at all lol This wasnt a very good test ... why not just use the same rider and measure the timings of each run and get an average >? no helmets nice...
Should have tested the different chain on the same bike. You testing 2 chains on 2 bikes with 2 different people. Both bikes may not run efficiently the same. Each of you weigh exactly the same?. A more accurate test would be to test both chains on the same bike.
You're right, testing both chains on the same bike would have produced a more definitive result however, at that time we weren't able to make that happen do to time restraints. Aside from it being done on two different (albeit brand new identical bikes) we were sure to have the weights on each bike essentially the same (within 1-2 pounds). Thanks for the comment.
LeninFPV thanks for the question. As long as you are staying with the same SIZE (not length) chain (420) which is required for a Sur Ron, then it doesn't matter what TYPE of chain (ie...standard, o-ring or x-ring) they will all require the same number of chain links for a given sprocket. Hope this helps. 🤙
We've done some videos on surron o-ring vs standard chains and it's a dramatic difference in friction. Motocross racers never use o-ring chains the power it robs from you is quite significant and the smaller less powerful bikes you can feel it while riding. You'll never see a 125 or 250f MX racer running o-ring and those bikes have 6x more power than a surron. When you run o-ring on surron you are taking away both power and range. We sell Renthal and Primary drive for surron custom cut for the exact sprocket size. X-ring have slightly less friction than o-ring, but for Surron we HIGHLY recommend a standard chain and keeping it clean and lubed.
Yes we totally agree. In fact that's what brought this all on. The stock o-ring chain was robing so much power (especially from our stock bikes) that we wanted to see if there was really an advantage by going with an x-ring in an effort to keep it less maintenance than what's required of a standard chain. In hindsight I should have mentioned all three chain types. And that all are available on the link we provided. For locals we also cut to the length they need. Thankso much for you comment... great info!
I bought the Primary Drive non o-ring chain 4 months ago. I clean and lube every 3-4 weeks depending on look of the chain. PJ1 non oring chain lube so it's sticky and collects dust and grass. Bought it from you guys along with a Warp 9 aluminum 54-tooth sprocket.
The only down fall with a standard chain would be, your going to hear more chain noise I would think, But I would say you should notice a difference from ORing vs standard in power. Never really thought about the chain but now I want to throw the O-ring chain out lol.
Great video guys. Thanks for posting and sharing you thoughts on the chains
Just got a 58t warp 9 sprocket, been looking to upgrade the chain after 1800 miles. So I used your code and ordered the X at 112 links, super excited to try them out next week!
Looking forward to that Talaria video!!
Ive had my Talaria less than a week and im so in love with it. Already have about 80 miles on it. Itll climb whatever i point it at. Only problem ive had was the front brake rotor bolts came loose on a ride the other day. I eased it home and put loctite on them. Other than that its been amazing. Great range too. Ill have to get an xring chain too!
We're stoked for you! You clearly already know this but you're going to like it even more as you put more time on it and do some component upgrades, depending on the type of riding you mostly do. Here in Utah we're big on nasty rugged mountain riding. In terms of control, comfort, and overall riding fatigue, the Surron is hands down the go to for our type of riding. As for power as you alluded to, there isn't a clear winner; the Talaria is right there with the Ron. I can't say the same of the first Talaria we testing, it was noticably slower. Again, the Talaria has loads of potential but they're new and the consistency and quality control just isn't there yet, which is to be expected. Just the other day we made a rather small modification to our Talaria and it made an enormous improvement on the overall feel and ride of the bike. Keep an eye out for our coming videos where we'll be covering all that. Thanks a ton for your comment, and keep her pinned!!!🤙
Loving my Talaria too!
Can’t get enough of it;)
Can’t wait to see the mods you guys did.
Once an oring chain warms up it performs the same as a non-oring chain. You'd only see a noticeable difference in performance in the cold.
Thank you for this review, I got a little confused in there, is an x-ring chain a non-o ring chain? Like what you would use on a bicycle?
No, an x-ring chain is a specialized o-ring chain redesigned to improve efficiency and longevity. Sorry for the confusion.
@@landonhilton8845 perfect, thank you, reading the other comments, it seems you've now moved on to a bicycle chain for even more efficient, is that right?
No. Still using an x-ring chain. A bicycle chain is far too small for a Surron.
Nice video, thanks for the info. I’m going to try my luck at a non oring chain since I’m about to get a new sprocket… but for the love of god please get a clip on microphone, I can barely hear anything you were saying for pretty much the entire video.
I bought an Niche X ring chain same specs as stock ... 420 106 links..... a few months of using it I noticed unusual sounds... I decided to use digital calipers to measure the widths of each the x ring and stock o ring.. |
Stock O ring chain from luna (one installed on bike) - widths 14.5mm
Niche x ring chain - width 15.5 mm
also what was that intro ??
also the the x ring was not quiter at all lol
This wasnt a very good test ... why not just use the same rider and measure the timings of each run and get an average >?
no helmets nice...
Should have tested the different chain on the same bike. You testing 2 chains on 2 bikes with 2 different people. Both bikes may not run efficiently the same. Each of you weigh exactly the same?. A more accurate test would be to test both chains on the same bike.
You're right, testing both chains on the same bike would have produced a more definitive result however, at that time we weren't able to make that happen do to time restraints. Aside from it being done on two different (albeit brand new identical bikes) we were sure to have the weights on each bike essentially the same (within 1-2 pounds). Thanks for the comment.
How many links for your 60T sprocket? For non o-ring it was 114 for mine, but it seems like the o-ring & x-ring chains require different lengths?
LeninFPV thanks for the question. As long as you are staying with the same SIZE (not length) chain (420) which is required for a Sur Ron, then it doesn't matter what TYPE of chain (ie...standard, o-ring or x-ring) they will all require the same number of chain links for a given sprocket. Hope this helps. 🤙
@@landonhilton8845 that answers it, thanks! I'll snag a 114 link x-ring. Thanks for the testing!
non o ringchain > all chains
gay dudes ride talarias, men ride surrons
Quite the opposite actually