Yup Yup Yup!!!! And the Broadcast is one of the most underrated clean boosts out there I think. I love how it pushes my clean signal into the other pedals and my amp!
This feels like cheating a little bit but a JHS 3 Series Fuzz and a Boss Angry Driver. You can get the classic fuzz face sounds (and in an easier to use way as the fuzz knob is really just the input volume as the “traditional” fuzz knob is basically fixed at the only place a fuzz knob should be set at). You get the lighter breakup of the Bluesbreaker. You can get that “Marshall in a box” sound from the Angry Charlie which is a JCM 800 in a box. They also go very well together when stacked
Love my Angry driver. Run it in parallel mode: BD all set to 11:00. Ac at V 10:30-11:00 T 1-2:00 G 9-10:00. ymmv for volume. Smack it with a Deeptrip BoG Fuzz. spend half my practice time slumped over drooling over thick drones lol
I use the RC Booster into the Xotic BB Preamp into a Fender clean amp. Great overdrive sound. The RC is also great into an ODR1. Or as a solo boost after overdrive. Love the gain on the RC that can add just a hair of dirt. And to cut a little bass. Love the RC. Need at least one more.
@@VertexEffectsInc I have the chrome Xotic RC Booster-V2 Pedal and the Nobel's mini. I haven’t read through all the comments yet but...in this video you had the Nobel's after the RC boost. In a buffer video you may have had it before the boost but I can’t remember. What are your thoughts on these two pedals with the before and after? Thanks,
This was a fun one. I really love all the gain combos going on. I always loved the sound of a Klon into a Vox AC30 with a boost pedal in front to saturate the drive. Similarly, a Blues Driver into a Plexi sounds great with a tube screamer slamming the BD-1 under the right circumstances. Thanks for all of your work here, these videos really rock.
Currently I am using the EQD Plumes into the Nobels mini. Getting great tones with my Les Paul. Rollback volume and can get great cleanish tones too. Great video!
@@grantdickey I would do middle switch position when I ran those 2 like that, with each set at light edge of breakup, and together made a nice distortion. Of course these 2 have a ton of tones that can be made together
You could honestly do an afternoon show on this subject, I run 6 different drive pedals on my board, the trick is the more you have one the board is finding an overall order so you can pick and choose your stacking. Absolutely love this topic!
@@VertexEffectsInc you can tell what I play by the units lol, Ibanez Nu-tube screamer, MXR zakk Wylde overdrive, an original Boss HM2, Boss SD1 and a MXR 5150 overdrive, the 6th is an adjustable clean boost on the Earthquaker Swissthings pedal, all drive pedals are through the Rexx G8 via the 4 cable method. They all go through 3 amps. My problem is depending on the day ,I like different drives and stacking lol.
Timmy into anything is a match made in heaven. It's the supercharger/turbocharger or high lift camshaft + P&P heads of the pedal world. One of my go-to country setups is a Timmy or BB-style pedal into a Klon(e)(inspired by Josh from JHS, won't deny it). You get a nice, "chewy" and "tweedy" sounding tone that just works so well for country.
@@VertexEffectsInc As is the Vertex Boost and Greer LS! I don't know if it's true or not, but rumor has it that Nick Greer got Paul Cochrane's blessing on the LS.
Fulltone Full-Drive 3 is my favorite pedal stack. It has an independent clean boost and a tube screamer style circuit. A simple toggle switch lets you decide which pedal is first in the chain.
I utilize an MXR Classic 108 or a Seymour Duncan Tweak Fuzz into a Tech 21 Liverpool and a SP Compressor. With my guitar volume rolled back to 6 or 7, and the tone down to 8 on my jazzmaster, I get an incredible tone into my fender rumble 100 bass amp!
I find that you usually want pedals to complete each others frequency response. And you also need to put your amp's frequency response into that equation. For instance a mid boosted overdrive (like a Tube screamer) into a transparent drive (like the morning glory) into a scooped amp (like a Fender twin). Or something very low and thumpy (like a big muff with the tone down) with a pedal that has a sparkly top-end (like a Blues Driver). The other thing is stacking different types of saturation - making your harmonics more complex and interesting than just getting all of your distortion from one place. You get some even harmonics, some odd harmonics, some soft clipping, and some hard clipping all layered up. Keith Richards once said the best distortion is usually achieved by combining distortion from more than one place. He used to run a Champ into a Tweed Twin to double up the distortion. Then on top of that, in the studio there would be subtle layers of tape saturation, console saturation, saturation on any outboard gear, master tape saturation, etc. I think the Klon + Tube Screamer stack works best when going into a mid-scooped amp. I actually use that duo and I set my fender deluxe so that the bass is around 8 or 9 and the treble around 7. That makes the deluxe especially scooped when I'm playing clean. Then I kick on the Klon to get just a bit of dirt and crunch. It cuts a little bit of the low end and boosts a bit of the mids - which compensates for what my amp EQ is doing. Then if I want to play lead, I kick on the tube screamer and it boosts my volume a bit to further saturate the Klon, adds it's own gain, and really focuses the tone on the mids to cut through the mix for lead playing. It also is really nice because you combine the soft clipping on the Tube Screamer with the Hard Clipping on the Klon.
That's a good way to think about it in general terms but both those pedals - TS and Klon or TS and Blues Breaker all have a lot of mids, yet somehow work OK with their overlap through a scooped amp with scooped pickups (like a Strat).
@@VertexEffectsInc Yeah, to me, because of that double mid focus, the Tube Screamer + Klon combo works best for Lead. For rhythm usually you'd click one of them off. For me usually the TS is added on for lead, but the Klon alone will work for rhythm. As long as you don't dime the gain on a klon, it's not quite as mid-focused as the tube screamer. And both are definitely best with a scooped amp.
Yeah i discovered by accident stacking a Way Huge Green Rhino and an EHX Soul Food how amazing that is... I usually have the gain all the way down on the Soul Food and level about noon... And then use the Green Rhino's gain to taste... Very pleasing sound.
I love to run an MXR Micro Amp into a JHS Charlie Brown. The CB does a beautiful low gain old school Marshall tone and the MXR is perfect for adding more gain for leads without losing the dynamic character of the sound.
Man, great playing. For the last couple years on our church's worship team(since my modeler died, actually a great event) it's been that klon/ts thing for me- EHX soul food after earthquaker plumes in position 3. Subbed!!
Im currently experimenting running the V3 Tim into a JHS Ruby Red and really enjoying it! Lots of options for different amounts of gain with the boost sides on both pedals. You did a great job of showing just how dynamic the Timmy can be!
Believe it or not, I put my tubescremer before my rat pedal. I know you usually suggest high gain first, but I've noticed that the TS cuts some of the deep "woofy-ness" of the Rat I have, so it acts more like an EQ. I did try it the other way around but the compression of the Rat going into the TS was too much for me, even after lowering the gain. I do have a klon style pedal after both though, so I agree that the TS into Klon is such a good combo!
Tube Screamer into Rat into a Deluxe or Twin Reverb was SUPER common in late 80's "college rock" (which would later be called alternative or indie), at least in the Boston scene. I think Pixies, Come and Blake Babies all used this combo. Reverb did an article some years back called "Perfectly Pleasing Pedal Pairs" that also highlighted this combo.
I really love using my tube screamer into a Fulltone FullDrive 2 on comp cut mode. It’s basically like putting a clean boost after the tube screamer but with just a bit more dirt. It makes the ts sound incredible.
Nice Picking,Unc.Ive been seriously considering a Tim or Timmy,that and your Boost pedal was my favorite of the combos you demoed,I think my mind is a little more made up.Thanks for that,Brother.
For a Marshell DSL which has a lot of mids to my ears, I stack 3 pedals, the combination depends on the guitar: Boss SD-1 into the OCD 1.7 at 18v (tone at 9) into the xotic SL compressor (acting as a boost, blend is about 9). on the amp treble is 11 (o'clock :)), mids slightly less, bass at noon. on the drive channel with the drive at 9, volume at 12 o'clock + p&p attenuator with -15db.
RC Booster and Timmy, Blues Breaker and RC Booster, SD-1 and Timmy, Woodshed Compressor and Blues Breaker (this is really magic), Blues Breaker and BBMB+, SD-1 and TS808, TS808 and MXR Distortion +, TS808 and Overdrive Preamp 250.
Still love your videos. Of course I’m a fan of the sounds you discuss so that helps, but still great videos and have been using many of your pedals for years. Thanks for putting the info out and best of luck with your new amp. It looks awesome.
For me, it is the AIon FX Andromeda, and nobles, ODR clone, into the Aion cerulean, a blues, breaker circuit. My understanding is that it is fairly close to a morning glory. That is the order I prefer, although I may go ahead and trade places with them and see if I like the cerulean first.
@@strunkneb Oh yeah. A friend built the ODR and gave it to me, but I built the Cerulean myself a few weeks back. I may grab up the AION Zen Drive clone soon.
You play well, man. I like a Red Llama on a low-ish gain setting into a green Russian Muff at a low-ish gain setting. I put a Hot Cake in the middle and it also does some wonderful stuff.
A combo that I love, is a Marshall in a box style with a fuzz face. I have a JHS Charlie Brown (an old one w 4 knobs) w the drive controls dimed and an Analogman Sunface. Both pedals clean up w the volume knob on the guitar, so I set it where with guitar volume at about 5 it's huge, roll the volume to 9 for massive, dime the volume and it is gated madness.
I'm a busker so I'm using a Boss Street Cube ll. EHX Lizard Queen Fuzz, a Chinese Klon, a Boss DS-1w, a EHX Deluxe Electric Mistress, a Walrus Audio Fundamental Reverb. For power I use a Joyo rechargeable power supply. My guitar is a Fender Deluxe Player Stratocaster.
My secret weapon for stacking is a rare old HAO Rumble Mod (I have two of them), in boost mode. Basically a dirty boost or mild overdrive, with impedance buffering in and out. Always on. I will have a couple of other pedals in front of it - a Rat style, and a Fuzz Face style. Rat is probably a Woodcutter these days, fuzz is either a DBA Interstellar Overdriver or a “Rocktar” (a Mdou Moctar signature fuzz I got at one of his concerts). The fuzz is used for Hendrix-style glassy cleans as much as dirtier fuzz sounds. The Rumble Mod does a ridiculously good job at warming and shaping the fuzz tone.
@@VertexEffectsInc I wish someone would clone the Rumble Mod! Especially with a second footswitch instead of a toggle for the boost/drive, and maybe a separate color knob for each one. But it was never a big seller to begin with. Too expensive, and didn’t really sound like all the “Dumble” pedals of that era.
I got Ge fuzz face > treble booster > klone > spaceman polaris (LP filter, mid gain) then mercury IV Ge boost. Klon and mercury iv are great together. Fuzz face/treble booster is great with the polaris. Also the fuzz face and mercury are good with the amp cranked and the guitar volume on 2.
Hey thanks for the videos. Currently I have a spark mini into a Wampler tumnus (12,unity,2) into a nobels mini (12,3,unity). I use all combinations of those 3 and my lead tone has been all 3 at these settings. Always considering g swithing the tumnus and nobles but gravitate back. Any thoughts or insights. I’m on a Nashville telecaster lately most of the time.
The ODR-1 imho is one of the best overdrive pedals for stacking. It's one of the best overdrives _period._ An expanded lineup that can cover almost all the stages of gain you would want is the RC Booster > ODR-1 > Ibanez Mostortion. It gets multiple stages of gain while still maintaining clarity, string-to-string definition and a robust frequency spectrum. I also seriously cannot recommend enough that people in the market for an ODR-1 but who might he priced out by their current used market value (even for those who _willing_ to pay it) check out the Nordland ODR-C. It's built by Kai, _the_ original designer of the ODR-1. I'm fortunate enough to own several original ODR-1's (each can differ slightly in their amounts of headroom and bass on tap). Buying them long before their aftermarket prices exploded. So I feel very confident in saying that the Nordland ODR-C is every bit as good tonally as my best ODR-1's but with added control over the "Q" position (area on the frequency spectrum) of the mids. It also has all the headroom and bass of the best ODR-1's. A "low cut" control to help attenuate low end response depending on your guitar and amp. Most interesting of all, a knob marked "O.D.C." which works to dial *OUT* compression when you use the pedal at higher gain settings when you want to retain some dynamics - and it _WORKS._ Anyway, I'm obviously quite the fan but I digress, lol. My other favorite stacking combinations; - Tone Bender mk1 > "Ram's Head" Big Muff (doesn't have to be originals, any good version of those circuits will work of course) - Smallsound/Bigsound Mini > (or after!) Shin's Music Dumbloid ODS - Nobels ODR-1/Nordland ODR-C > Ibanez Mostortion as well as ODR-1/ODR-C before _or_ after literally any overdrive or distortion pedal I've ever paired them with. Seriously. 🍻 🤘🏻 💯
two stacks, both involving the Timmy- see, I use the Timmy as a tone shaper as much as an overdrive- so, Timmy into a soft clipper, like a Tube screamer, though I prefer the note clarity of the Cusack Screamer, in LED mode- but any soft clipper will do. Don't engage too much of the Timmy for clipping, but just to increase the signal into your Screamer, then use the EQ on the Timmy to shape the character. The other is a trick using the Timmy into a hard clipping Op Amp style- MXR Distortion +, DOD 250, or Rat- dial in a little bit of a mid scoop on the Timmy, not necessarily a V shaped EQ, but a bit scooped, and a medium gain, then, it'll feed into your hard clipper to create a fuzz-like distortion, but with enough distinct tones that you can still play complex chords, it's pretty wild, as you can use as much or as little gain as you want on the hard clipper, you still have some note definition.
David gilmour used a color sound Orange booster which was called a power boost at 18 volts that fed into his fuzz face he used that from 1969 until 1971 to get his trademark tone on before Pompeii. The guitarist of dinosaur Jr uses a fuzz tone pedal a vox fuzz bender that is fed into a big muff rams muff and that's how he stacks his overdrives he also uses a range master pedal whichs gets fed into a big muff but mostly his trademark sound is using a vox tone Bender fuzz tone straight in to a big muff that gets a stacked tone his trademark tone. Frank Zappa use a fan Armstrong Green ranger which is an octave Octavia that goes into a syntek harmonic Energizer which is a seventies pedal that is a parametric EQ it's a specialized parametric EQ that goes into a big muff and that gives his stacked trademark sound through his pig nose so he feeds all those pedals and and dials them up to get a very stacked honky horn like trumpet jazz tone that gets fed into his pig nose amp. The guitar artist Josh Holmes from Queen of the Stone age and kyuss has a very specialized setup of stacking distortions and over driving bass amplifiers and PV base amplifiers is there specialized amplifiers that he found in the '80s that gave a very unique sound to his distortion and it's considered desert Storm Rock that he invented to get that trademark sound but it's a very interesting way of how he would stack distortion overdrive pedals to drive Bass amplifiers to get that particular sound something to look into also if you're trying to go for that desert Stoner Rock tone
@@paulcowart3174 no Hendrix used a pedal by guild called foxy lady which is different than a big muff it was made by guild and it was a most right fuzz tone pedal that was modified to get more sustain that's what the circuit is it's called a guild foxy lady
@@VertexEffectsInc Marcus King uses a MXR mini Booster BEFORE stacked with a Tube Screamer it makes the strat bridge pickup get that texas "SQUAWK" tone. Try it out and make a video lesson about it.
I’ve been playing for 22 years, all styles and settings, I’m just a guitar player not a genre seeker. And my favorite voice for my guitar (‘99 Jap reissue ‘72 Fender Tele) is a Fairfield Circuitry Barbershop I bought ten years ago into a Walrus Audio Emissary boost. My ‘68 Bandmaster does the rest.
hey, question - 9:40 why did you place the RC Booster before the Nobels ODR-1? Logic dictates that the RC booster would have more clean headroom? Wasn't your advice from another video to place gainier, crunchier pedals first and cleaner pedals with more headroom later in the chain to avoid clipping that which has already been clipped to death? My thinking is that the RC booster is more of an "always on" type effect, is my logic wrong here?
Such an interesting video to me. Recently I picked up a klon style pedal (Octonaut) and I have a Friedman OD. If you crank the Friedman "tight" knob all the way right, it takes on a tube screamer vibe. I have been running that into the Octonaut. Now I see this video and am realizing I came to the same conclusion as you, even in the order I am running the pedals in my chain i.e. friedman>octonaut.
I had an odr1 mini and hated it and happened into a good deal of the full sized version so gave it a try. It was amazing. Love to see a shootout of mini pedals vs the full sized versions. Mine were light years apart
You should check out Bukovac's blind taste test of four ODR-1 pedals (including the mini). By the end, they were all dialed in to sound identical. Homeskoolin’ Special Episode, “Uncle Larry's Hearing Test” ua-cam.com/video/97gYbyzkzGs/v-deo.htmlsi=5RTQnQ2CCIGgLqf2
I've been stacking dirt boxes since the late 80s. Over the years I've tried numerous TS variants, a couple DS1s, a DOD overdrive plus, some tube works stuff, an MXR Custom Badass. After all this time, for the first time ever, I have no want or need for another dirt box. My perfect Trifecta is a TS mini, into a Nux Horsemam(klon), and then into an ibanez super metal. Depending on what's turned on, I get like 8 different blends of distorted waveforms. The Nux horseman is really the missing link I've been searching for. Running it solo or with either of the ibanez boxes, it's just right.
Lots of good ideas to try out! I’ve been stacking a KOT into the boost side of a Fulltone GT500 and IR really works for me. I play a G&L ASAT most of the time into a DrZ.
@@VertexEffectsInc i forgot... fuzz first and a compressor at the end sometime to get infinite sustain 🤪(so going to trey Anastasio style of sound to John mayer to carlos Santana with just coil tap on/off and the volume knob on my guitar)
Lately I've been running an Earthquaker Plumes which is a tube screamer style drive into a ProCo Rat. The Plumes is set with a low gain setting and the Rat on a mid/low gain setting, the tube screamer style drive really helps tame the Rat's low end.
@@VertexEffectsInc Yep, But, I like the sound of the bluesbreaker going into the ODR-1 which i think version 3 let's you do that. But duplicates not so sure...I'll Stomp on the blue side of the Protein and hit the Left (boost) of the KOT. Amazing. Hit the Green side of the Protein, maybe hit the Tumnus for a boost. Stomp on the ODR-1 into the Boost of the KOT. I'm sure you get what I'm doing, you should try it.
It honestly depends on what I’m after for pairing drive pedals. I use drive pedals all different kinds of ways. I have drive pedals I use as base OD sounds and put TS, klon or boost in front for more saturation or klon or boost behind it to get more volume. Some of my go to’s are Tumnus (set to boost)> EHX OD Glove(mid switch down gain set about 11 o’clock and volume at unity) and then I’ll run it into my Genesis Clean Drive set slightly above unity for volume boost. Or My Genesis Clean Drive> EHX OD Glove (mid switch up/ volume a tick above unity for a volume increase and gain set at about 10~11 o’clock). I use this for my straight ahead cranked Marshall tones. Does that ZZ Top thing well and is very versatile sound. I could go on all day about this.
You said John Mayer thrice, but he did not appear... I've been running a TS clone>Zeus>Dano Transparent OD (v1). Never really all 3 on, but that gives me a lot of options.
vintage mxr micro amp into a boss super overdrive Waza Craft and a Ceriatone Centura then a black Russian big muff. I did to use a ts808 for a while instead of the super overdrive but the Waza Craft won.
I run the protein into the gladio protein obviously sounds great the gladio is cool because it has that switch function so you can set it to switch back-and-forth with a foot tap! Pretty neat!
Mason your playing was very tasteful. Recently I've been messing with running a Black Box 2 into a Soul Food, then wet stuff and I have a EP at the end of the chain. Also I have a mini Wha then a Golden Fleece before the overdrives. Thanks for your videos.
He is getting better. He takes his time plays a few choice notes. And what I like. Is he goes for a bluest thing .. so many demos. Plug a klon in and bang chords. Punk rock style. Then say. This is crazy a 4K overdrive
How about two TS’s? Currently I’m using the emulated TS in the Katana Artist with an SD-1 in front of the amp. High gain on the TS, low gain on the SD-1 for low end attenuation and boost.
I go Klon clone into TS9. Rationale is that the Klon acts as my treble boost into the tube screamer. The TS9 cuts a lot of high end so this help keep the tone from getting too woofy.
What are you favorite "Dynamic Duos", stacking two overdrive, distortion, and/or boost pedals together?
Odr1 with any mid hump in front
@fastguitar Nice!
Tumnus deluxe and Origin Green Halcyon Overdrive. (With a Hudson Dual broadcast thrown in there too)👌🏻 🔥
@@bobbyterrito8011 TS and Klon strikes again!
Yup Yup Yup!!!! And the Broadcast is one of the most underrated clean boosts out there I think. I love how it pushes my clean signal into the other pedals and my amp!
This feels like cheating a little bit but a JHS 3 Series Fuzz and a Boss Angry Driver. You can get the classic fuzz face sounds (and in an easier to use way as the fuzz knob is really just the input volume as the “traditional” fuzz knob is basically fixed at the only place a fuzz knob should be set at). You get the lighter breakup of the Bluesbreaker. You can get that “Marshall in a box” sound from the Angry Charlie which is a JCM 800 in a box. They also go very well together when stacked
Nice! Bet it sounds cool!
Merci pour ces précisions !!
Love my Angry driver. Run it in parallel mode: BD all set to 11:00. Ac at V 10:30-11:00 T 1-2:00 G 9-10:00. ymmv for volume. Smack it with a Deeptrip BoG Fuzz. spend half my practice time slumped over drooling over thick drones lol
bluesbreaker into klon is also a killer combo
Nice!
Josh from JHS suggested this
To be fair,Josh has recommended pairing… everything. Except Wah into Wah.
You’re the man Mason, our whole community is thankful for your knowledge sharing and great pedals
I use the RC Booster into the Xotic BB Preamp into a Fender clean amp. Great overdrive sound.
The RC is also great into an ODR1.
Or as a solo boost after overdrive. Love the gain on the RC that can add just a hair of dirt. And to cut a little bass. Love the RC. Need at least one more.
Sounds great!
@@VertexEffectsInc I have the chrome Xotic RC Booster-V2 Pedal and the Nobel's mini. I haven’t read through all the comments yet but...in this video you had the Nobel's after the RC boost. In a buffer video you may have had it before the boost but I can’t remember. What are your thoughts on these two pedals with the before and after? Thanks,
5 Stars! 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
It's a HUGE feather in your cap for Buk to use your BOOST... Tom has forgotten more than most will ever know about tone and gear!
Yes indeed, he's been on board since day 1!
This was a fun one. I really love all the gain combos going on. I always loved the sound of a Klon into a Vox AC30 with a boost pedal in front to saturate the drive. Similarly, a Blues Driver into a Plexi sounds great with a tube screamer slamming the BD-1 under the right circumstances. Thanks for all of your work here, these videos really rock.
Thanks so much!
Currently I am using the EQD Plumes into the Nobels mini. Getting great tones with my Les Paul. Rollback volume and can get great cleanish tones too. Great video!
Nice!
Which mode on your plumes? Also what is your settings for Nobles? I literally had the same setup all day today
@@grantdickey I would do middle switch position when I ran those 2 like that, with each set at light edge of breakup, and together made a nice distortion. Of course these 2 have a ton of tones that can be made together
You could honestly do an afternoon show on this subject, I run 6 different drive pedals on my board, the trick is the more you have one the board is finding an overall order so you can pick and choose your stacking. Absolutely love this topic!
That's a great idea!
@@VertexEffectsInc you can tell what I play by the units lol, Ibanez Nu-tube screamer, MXR zakk Wylde overdrive, an original Boss HM2, Boss SD1 and a MXR 5150 overdrive, the 6th is an adjustable clean boost on the Earthquaker Swissthings pedal, all drive pedals are through the Rexx G8 via the 4 cable method. They all go through 3 amps. My problem is depending on the day ,I like different drives and stacking lol.
light gain on Boss BD-2 into Fulltone OCD V2 for lead tones!
Nice!
Mason is the "Sound Doctor" without a doubt.
Thank you.
Wow, thanks!
The tone is inspiring and the combinations are absolutely killer.
Wow, thanks!
Timmy into anything is a match made in heaven. It's the supercharger/turbocharger or high lift camshaft + P&P heads of the pedal world. One of my go-to country setups is a Timmy or BB-style pedal into a Klon(e)(inspired by Josh from JHS, won't deny it). You get a nice, "chewy" and "tweedy" sounding tone that just works so well for country.
Timmy is a very nice pedal, no doubt!
@@VertexEffectsInc As is the Vertex Boost and Greer LS! I don't know if it's true or not, but rumor has it that Nick Greer got Paul Cochrane's blessing on the LS.
@@dannyllerenatv8635 yes, I didn't mean to imply an impropriety, just naming that they have some similarities.
@@VertexEffectsInc Oh no not at all, it is a fun fact more than anything else. The LS is very very special regardless of its roots.
I like the Timmy myself, it's brighter clearer cousin with a slightly clearer gain is the Wampler Belle
Thanks, Mason. Lots of great tones. Sounded really nice
You sound great on that PRS!
Thanks!
Fulltone Full-Drive 3 is my favorite pedal stack. It has an independent clean boost and a tube screamer style circuit. A simple toggle switch lets you decide which pedal is first in the chain.
I utilize an MXR Classic 108 or a Seymour Duncan Tweak Fuzz into a Tech 21 Liverpool and a SP Compressor. With my guitar volume rolled back to 6 or 7, and the tone down to 8 on my jazzmaster, I get an incredible tone into my fender rumble 100 bass amp!
Tube Screamer into Big Muff. Classic way to get it to cut through!!
With a silicon Muff, but not with germanium, surely.
I find that you usually want pedals to complete each others frequency response. And you also need to put your amp's frequency response into that equation.
For instance a mid boosted overdrive (like a Tube screamer) into a transparent drive (like the morning glory) into a scooped amp (like a Fender twin).
Or something very low and thumpy (like a big muff with the tone down) with a pedal that has a sparkly top-end (like a Blues Driver).
The other thing is stacking different types of saturation - making your harmonics more complex and interesting than just getting all of your distortion from one place. You get some even harmonics, some odd harmonics, some soft clipping, and some hard clipping all layered up.
Keith Richards once said the best distortion is usually achieved by combining distortion from more than one place. He used to run a Champ into a Tweed Twin to double up the distortion. Then on top of that, in the studio there would be subtle layers of tape saturation, console saturation, saturation on any outboard gear, master tape saturation, etc.
I think the Klon + Tube Screamer stack works best when going into a mid-scooped amp. I actually use that duo and I set my fender deluxe so that the bass is around 8 or 9 and the treble around 7. That makes the deluxe especially scooped when I'm playing clean. Then I kick on the Klon to get just a bit of dirt and crunch. It cuts a little bit of the low end and boosts a bit of the mids - which compensates for what my amp EQ is doing. Then if I want to play lead, I kick on the tube screamer and it boosts my volume a bit to further saturate the Klon, adds it's own gain, and really focuses the tone on the mids to cut through the mix for lead playing. It also is really nice because you combine the soft clipping on the Tube Screamer with the Hard Clipping on the Klon.
That's a good way to think about it in general terms but both those pedals - TS and Klon or TS and Blues Breaker all have a lot of mids, yet somehow work OK with their overlap through a scooped amp with scooped pickups (like a Strat).
@@VertexEffectsInc Yeah, to me, because of that double mid focus, the Tube Screamer + Klon combo works best for Lead. For rhythm usually you'd click one of them off.
For me usually the TS is added on for lead, but the Klon alone will work for rhythm. As long as you don't dime the gain on a klon, it's not quite as mid-focused as the tube screamer.
And both are definitely best with a scooped amp.
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Yeah i discovered by accident stacking a Way Huge Green Rhino and an EHX Soul Food how amazing that is... I usually have the gain all the way down on the Soul Food and level about noon... And then use the Green Rhino's gain to taste... Very pleasing sound.
Just subscribed, Love how you explain everything in detail. Thank You, God Bless 🙏
You are so welcome
My dynamic duo is a Boss SD1overdrive into a 1980's white label Rat distortion pedal into the front of my hand-wired Fender Princeton....Marvelous!!!!
Nice!
3:14 I am with this. I recently got the chase bills Automatone mk2 and I use that with my 808 on the Klon transistor and wow
I love to run an MXR Micro Amp into a JHS Charlie Brown. The CB does a beautiful low gain old school Marshall tone and the MXR is perfect for adding more gain for leads without losing the dynamic character of the sound.
Nice! Sounds cool!
Man, great playing. For the last couple years on our church's worship team(since my modeler died, actually a great event) it's been that klon/ts thing for me- EHX soul food after earthquaker plumes in position 3. Subbed!!
Great solo on the Pat Barrett tune! I’m gonna have to steal/learn those!
Really tasty playing on the intro!
Hey, thanks!
Im currently experimenting running the V3 Tim into a JHS Ruby Red and really enjoying it! Lots of options for different amounts of gain with the boost sides on both pedals.
You did a great job of showing just how dynamic the Timmy can be!
Thanks for watching!
Very informative, but also killer playing! Lots of ideas to try out!
Thanks for watching!
Believe it or not, I put my tubescremer before my rat pedal. I know you usually suggest high gain first, but I've noticed that the TS cuts some of the deep "woofy-ness" of the Rat I have, so it acts more like an EQ.
I did try it the other way around but the compression of the Rat going into the TS was too much for me, even after lowering the gain.
I do have a klon style pedal after both though, so I agree that the TS into Klon is such a good combo!
Interesting!
I do mine the same way to trim up the flubby low end of the rat
TS > Rat is an awesome combo bro 🤘🏻💯
Tube Screamer into Rat into a Deluxe or Twin Reverb was SUPER common in late 80's "college rock" (which would later be called alternative or indie), at least in the Boston scene. I think Pixies, Come and Blake Babies all used this combo. Reverb did an article some years back called "Perfectly Pleasing Pedal Pairs" that also highlighted this combo.
I really love using my tube screamer into a Fulltone FullDrive 2 on comp cut mode. It’s basically like putting a clean boost after the tube screamer but with just a bit more dirt. It makes the ts sound incredible.
Nice Picking,Unc.Ive been seriously considering a Tim or Timmy,that and your Boost pedal was my favorite of the combos you demoed,I think my mind is a little more made up.Thanks for that,Brother.
Thanks for watching! That mini Timmy from MXR is also great!
Great work the Pat Barrett intro!
For a Marshell DSL which has a lot of mids to my ears, I stack 3 pedals, the combination depends on the guitar: Boss SD-1 into the OCD 1.7 at 18v (tone at 9) into the xotic SL compressor (acting as a boost, blend is about 9).
on the amp treble is 11 (o'clock :)), mids slightly less, bass at noon. on the drive channel with the drive at 9, volume at 12 o'clock
+ p&p attenuator with -15db.
Nice!
One of my favorite and under rated pairing is a silvertone twin twelve pedal and a super bolt by jhs, it’s a phenomenal lead tone.
Supro meets Silvertone :)
The twin twelve is a killer pedal! Great, unexpected high gain sounds. I regret selling mine
I run a Silvertone amp w RM and Klon
Bb preamp and tubescreamer.. I'm definitely gonna get a noble n klone clone for shure... sounded so good
Mi dynamic duo is the Rat mini into my tube screamer mini, kinda difficult to set but once i found that sweet spot... oh lord
Nice!
Great metal tone if set right too
Great playin 💫 sounds are solid as usual☺️
Thanks for listening
I appreciate your video! you are doing the work, and experimentation someone would do to find their tone.
Lightspeed into the EQD Special Cranker sounds pretty rad
Nice! Haven't tried it into a DOD 250 Preamp style pedal like that.
King of tone and ocd 😱
Nice!
RC Booster and Timmy, Blues Breaker and RC Booster, SD-1 and Timmy, Woodshed Compressor and Blues Breaker (this is really magic), Blues Breaker and BBMB+, SD-1 and TS808, TS808 and MXR Distortion +, TS808 and Overdrive Preamp 250.
All great pedals!!!
Timmy + Vertex Boost was my favorite combo! The low-mid range sounded so tight!
It's a great sound!
I loved how the Vertex boost with a tele hits a Vox ac 30 s1 amazing. I have the Deno Roebuck amazing also,
Still love your videos. Of course I’m a fan of the sounds you discuss so that helps, but still great videos and have been using many of your pedals for years. Thanks for putting the info out and best of luck with your new amp. It looks awesome.
I appreciate that!
I’ve loved the Bensen Preamp -> Steel String -> Morning Glory. Just added the SS back. Never letting it go again!
Wow! Great! Thanks for the support!
I like the Boss Super OverDrive into the Nobles ODR-1.
Great combo!
For me, it is the AIon FX Andromeda, and nobles, ODR clone, into the Aion cerulean, a blues, breaker circuit. My understanding is that it is fairly close to a morning glory. That is the order I prefer, although I may go ahead and trade places with them and see if I like the cerulean first.
Nice, so Bluesbreaker and ODR-1!
AION clones are great! So many options and "built-in-mods" plus the ribbon system makes them really straight forward to assemble!
@@strunkneb Oh yeah. A friend built the ODR and gave it to me, but I built the Cerulean myself a few weeks back. I may grab up the AION Zen Drive clone soon.
@@VertexEffectsInc Yep, and after trying the BB into the ODR, I prefer the ODR into the BB.
You play well, man. I like a Red Llama on a low-ish gain setting into a green Russian Muff at a low-ish gain setting. I put a Hot Cake in the middle and it also does some wonderful stuff.
I have learnt so much from you. Thanks Mason.
A combo that I love, is a Marshall in a box style with a fuzz face. I have a JHS Charlie Brown (an old one w 4 knobs) w the drive controls dimed and an Analogman Sunface. Both pedals clean up w the volume knob on the guitar, so I set it where with guitar volume at about 5 it's huge, roll the volume to 9 for massive, dime the volume and it is gated madness.
I love my Archer IKON, killer tones
Agreed!
I'm a busker so I'm using a Boss Street Cube ll. EHX Lizard Queen Fuzz, a Chinese Klon, a Boss DS-1w, a EHX Deluxe Electric Mistress, a Walrus Audio Fundamental Reverb. For power I use a Joyo rechargeable power supply. My guitar is a Fender Deluxe Player Stratocaster.
My secret weapon for stacking is a rare old HAO Rumble Mod (I have two of them), in boost mode. Basically a dirty boost or mild overdrive, with impedance buffering in and out. Always on. I will have a couple of other pedals in front of it - a Rat style, and a Fuzz Face style. Rat is probably a Woodcutter these days, fuzz is either a DBA Interstellar Overdriver or a “Rocktar” (a Mdou Moctar signature fuzz I got at one of his concerts). The fuzz is used for Hendrix-style glassy cleans as much as dirtier fuzz sounds. The Rumble Mod does a ridiculously good job at warming and shaping the fuzz tone.
Miss those HAO pedals!
@@VertexEffectsInc I wish someone would clone the Rumble Mod! Especially with a second footswitch instead of a toggle for the boost/drive, and maybe a separate color knob for each one. But it was never a big seller to begin with. Too expensive, and didn’t really sound like all the “Dumble” pedals of that era.
I got Ge fuzz face > treble booster > klone > spaceman polaris (LP filter, mid gain) then mercury IV Ge boost.
Klon and mercury iv are great together. Fuzz face/treble booster is great with the polaris. Also the fuzz face and mercury are good with the amp cranked and the guitar volume on 2.
Hey thanks for the videos. Currently I have a spark mini into a Wampler tumnus (12,unity,2) into a nobels mini (12,3,unity). I use all combinations of those 3 and my lead tone has been all 3 at these settings. Always considering g swithing the tumnus and nobles but gravitate back. Any thoughts or insights. I’m on a Nashville telecaster lately most of the time.
I run my xotic ac+ into my xotic bb+ for gloriously smooth overdrive. I even push them both with my wampler ego compressor at times too
Nice!
Been wanting to try the BB
You're a real good guitar player. Control and emotion Nice Thanks for the update.
I like the greer lightspeed in the strymon deco.
I couldn't get along with the Deco I guess I prefer analog
I bet that's great!
The ODR-1 imho is one of the best overdrive pedals for stacking. It's one of the best overdrives _period._ An expanded lineup that can cover almost all the stages of gain you would want is the RC Booster > ODR-1 > Ibanez Mostortion. It gets multiple stages of gain while still maintaining clarity, string-to-string definition and a robust frequency spectrum.
I also seriously cannot recommend enough that people in the market for an ODR-1 but who might he priced out by their current used market value (even for those who _willing_ to pay it) check out the Nordland ODR-C.
It's built by Kai, _the_ original designer of the ODR-1. I'm fortunate enough to own several original ODR-1's (each can differ slightly in their amounts of headroom and bass on tap). Buying them long before their aftermarket prices exploded. So I feel very confident in saying that the Nordland ODR-C is every bit as good tonally as my best ODR-1's but with added control over the "Q" position (area on the frequency spectrum) of the mids. It also has all the headroom and bass of the best ODR-1's. A "low cut" control to help attenuate low end response depending on your guitar and amp. Most interesting of all, a knob marked "O.D.C." which works to dial *OUT* compression when you use the pedal at higher gain settings when you want to retain some dynamics - and it _WORKS._ Anyway, I'm obviously quite the fan but I digress, lol.
My other favorite stacking combinations;
- Tone Bender mk1 > "Ram's Head" Big Muff (doesn't have to be originals, any good version of those circuits will work of course)
- Smallsound/Bigsound Mini > (or after!) Shin's Music Dumbloid ODS
- Nobels ODR-1/Nordland ODR-C > Ibanez Mostortion as well as ODR-1/ODR-C before _or_ after literally any overdrive or distortion pedal I've ever paired them with. Seriously.
🍻 🤘🏻 💯
Thanks for the detailed note!
Thank you very much and kind regards from the Nobels Team
@@nobelsofficial5766 I have an ODR Mini and it is VERY microphonic! I have written to Nobles and have received no reply at all. Very disappointed.
i agree, i'm surprised to see so few recommendations for the odr-1/c and mostortion. so, so good.
You opened my eyes thank you
Fulltone OCD with gain very low into Wampler Tumnus with gain around 3 o’clock is a great combo.
Nice!
Great video!! Waiting for my Duke of Tone to arrive to see what pairings I can make with it.
Stay classy my friend!!
Bluesbreaker styles are great for stacking!
two stacks, both involving the Timmy- see, I use the Timmy as a tone shaper as much as an overdrive- so, Timmy into a soft clipper, like a Tube screamer, though I prefer the note clarity of the Cusack Screamer, in LED mode- but any soft clipper will do. Don't engage too much of the Timmy for clipping, but just to increase the signal into your Screamer, then use the EQ on the Timmy to shape the character. The other is a trick using the Timmy into a hard clipping Op Amp style- MXR Distortion +, DOD 250, or Rat- dial in a little bit of a mid scoop on the Timmy, not necessarily a V shaped EQ, but a bit scooped, and a medium gain, then, it'll feed into your hard clipper to create a fuzz-like distortion, but with enough distinct tones that you can still play complex chords, it's pretty wild, as you can use as much or as little gain as you want on the hard clipper, you still have some note definition.
Very nice! Those are some good stackers!
The best stacking drive I've ever tried/ heard is the Visual Sound Jekyll & Hyde, just perfect
Very underrated!
@@VertexEffectsInc let’s keep it that way, I’m sick of good cheaper pedals getting blown up!
Nice video. Wish we saw the settings.
David gilmour used a color sound Orange booster which was called a power boost at 18 volts that fed into his fuzz face he used that from 1969 until 1971 to get his trademark tone on before Pompeii. The guitarist of dinosaur Jr uses a fuzz tone pedal a vox fuzz bender that is fed into a big muff rams muff and that's how he stacks his overdrives he also uses a range master pedal whichs gets fed into a big muff but mostly his trademark sound is using a vox tone Bender fuzz tone straight in to a big muff that gets a stacked tone his trademark tone. Frank Zappa use a fan Armstrong Green ranger which is an octave Octavia that goes into a syntek harmonic Energizer which is a seventies pedal that is a parametric EQ it's a specialized parametric EQ that goes into a big muff and that gives his stacked trademark sound through his pig nose so he feeds all those pedals and and dials them up to get a very stacked honky horn like trumpet jazz tone that gets fed into his pig nose amp. The guitar artist Josh Holmes from Queen of the Stone age and kyuss has a very specialized setup of stacking distortions and over driving bass amplifiers and PV base amplifiers is there specialized amplifiers that he found in the '80s that gave a very unique sound to his distortion and it's considered desert Storm Rock that he invented to get that trademark sound but it's a very interesting way of how he would stack distortion overdrive pedals to drive Bass amplifiers to get that particular sound something to look into also if you're trying to go for that desert Stoner Rock tone
Yeah been wanting to try my FF into a Big Muff I think that's what Hendrix was using for his late 69-70 tones
@@paulcowart3174 no Hendrix used a pedal by guild called foxy lady which is different than a big muff it was made by guild and it was a most right fuzz tone pedal that was modified to get more sustain that's what the circuit is it's called a guild foxy lady
He got some great tones!
@@VertexEffectsInc Marcus King uses a MXR mini Booster BEFORE stacked with a Tube Screamer it makes the strat bridge pickup get that texas "SQUAWK" tone. Try it out and make a video lesson about it.
I’ve been playing for 22 years, all styles and settings, I’m just a guitar player not a genre seeker. And my favorite voice for my guitar (‘99 Jap reissue ‘72 Fender Tele) is a Fairfield Circuitry Barbershop I bought ten years ago into a Walrus Audio Emissary boost. My ‘68 Bandmaster does the rest.
Nice!
hey, question - 9:40 why did you place the RC Booster before the Nobels ODR-1? Logic dictates that the RC booster would have more clean headroom? Wasn't your advice from another video to place gainier, crunchier pedals first and cleaner pedals with more headroom later in the chain to avoid clipping that which has already been clipped to death? My thinking is that the RC booster is more of an "always on" type effect, is my logic wrong here?
I've always put my RC boost in front for low gain "always on", followed by whatever higher gain box I'm in the mood for. I love the booster in front.
for favorite pedal combo, mark me down for BOSS Dimension C Waza (2nd SDD setting) into MXR 5150 OD (yes, chorus into distortion)
Wow, interesting!
I've just been copying JM for the past 2 years. Lately, Klon + Ts10. Nice video!!
Nice!
Such an interesting video to me. Recently I picked up a klon style pedal (Octonaut) and I have a Friedman OD. If you crank the Friedman "tight" knob all the way right, it takes on a tube screamer vibe. I have been running that into the Octonaut. Now I see this video and am realizing I came to the same conclusion as you, even in the order I am running the pedals in my chain i.e. friedman>octonaut.
oooh the J.Rockett Archer Ikon is one I never wanted to let go. Good choice. Love it in an amp with big lows
It's a great pedal!
I had an odr1 mini and hated it and happened into a good deal of the full sized version so gave it a try. It was amazing. Love to see a shootout of mini pedals vs the full sized versions. Mine were light years apart
You should check out Bukovac's blind taste test of four ODR-1 pedals (including the mini). By the end, they were all dialed in to sound identical. Homeskoolin’ Special Episode, “Uncle Larry's Hearing Test” ua-cam.com/video/97gYbyzkzGs/v-deo.htmlsi=5RTQnQ2CCIGgLqf2
Meatloaf! I thought you were dead! Lookin good man
Huh?
I've been stacking dirt boxes since the late 80s. Over the years I've tried numerous TS variants, a couple DS1s, a DOD overdrive plus, some tube works stuff, an MXR Custom Badass. After all this time, for the first time ever, I have no want or need for another dirt box. My perfect Trifecta is a TS mini, into a Nux Horsemam(klon), and then into an ibanez super metal. Depending on what's turned on, I get like 8 different blends of distorted waveforms. The Nux horseman is really the missing link I've been searching for. Running it solo or with either of the ibanez boxes, it's just right.
Nice!
Thanks for turning me on to Pat Barrett bro!😎
TS -> Rat -> amp
TS -> Bluesbreaker style circuit (Wampler Pantheon, JHS Morning Glory/Double Barrel, etc)
JHS Morning Glory -> Wampler Pantheon Deluxe (either side)
All great pedals!
One pedal I use just for a stacked sound is the Zendrive. For dual pedals like the TS-9 in front of a BD-2.
Lots of good ideas to try out! I’ve been stacking a KOT into the boost side of a Fulltone GT500 and IR really works for me. I play a G&L ASAT most of the time into a DrZ.
Sounds great!
OCD v2 18volt mode with Klon style
with ODR1 with bass cut (18volt mode too) that i constantly move arround
Lots of stacking!
@@VertexEffectsInc i forgot... fuzz first and a compressor at the end sometime to get infinite sustain 🤪(so going to trey Anastasio style of sound to John mayer to carlos Santana with just coil tap on/off and the volume knob on my guitar)
Lately I've been running an Earthquaker Plumes which is a tube screamer style drive into a ProCo Rat. The Plumes is set with a low gain setting and the Rat on a mid/low gain setting, the tube screamer style drive really helps tame the Rat's low end.
What covers a few different genres for me is the Protein into ODR-1, King of Tone into Tumnus and volume knob
Isn’t the Protein a ODR-1 and Bluesbreaker in one? You got duplicates a plenty!
@@VertexEffectsInc Yep, But, I like the sound of the bluesbreaker going into the ODR-1 which i think version 3 let's you do that. But duplicates not so sure...I'll Stomp on the blue side of the Protein and hit the Left (boost) of the KOT. Amazing. Hit the Green side of the Protein, maybe hit the Tumnus for a boost. Stomp on the ODR-1 into the Boost of the KOT. I'm sure you get what I'm doing, you should try it.
Ultimate Dynamic Duo Tube Screamer and Boss Blues Driver, John Mayer approved Duo and an always on Combo on the more affordable side
Great pedals!
Thanks for schooling me!
Our pleasure!
It honestly depends on what I’m after for pairing drive pedals. I use drive pedals all different kinds of ways. I have drive pedals I use as base OD sounds and put TS, klon or boost in front for more saturation or klon or boost behind it to get more volume.
Some of my go to’s are Tumnus (set to boost)> EHX OD Glove(mid switch down gain set about 11 o’clock and volume at unity) and then I’ll run it into my Genesis Clean Drive set slightly above unity for volume boost.
Or
My Genesis Clean Drive> EHX OD Glove (mid switch up/ volume a tick above unity for a volume increase and gain set at about 10~11 o’clock). I use this for my straight ahead cranked Marshall tones. Does that ZZ Top thing well and is very versatile sound.
I could go on all day about this.
Thanks for sharing!
I LOVE the Earthquaker Plumes after the DOD Carcosa
You said John Mayer thrice, but he did not appear...
I've been running a TS clone>Zeus>Dano Transparent OD (v1). Never really all 3 on, but that gives me a lot of options.
I was missing my lamp!
I heard it only works if you say it into a mirror..
I'm stacking my OCD Germanium with a Nobles ODR-Mini, sounds magical! ALA, Jennifer Turner back in the Tigerlilly days ;)
love you... you are the best rig doctor!! ❤
Wow, thanks!
vintage mxr micro amp into a boss super overdrive Waza Craft and a Ceriatone Centura then a black Russian big muff. I did to use a ts808 for a while instead of the super overdrive but the Waza Craft won.
Wow, that's a lot of stacking!
@@VertexEffectsInc I don't run them all at once but the mxr, super overdrive and Centura pair well the muff is picky lol.
Amazing guitar and extremely tasty playing.
Thank you kindly!
Great breakdown as usual. Thanks!
Wow, thanks so much!
Currently running a Ryra Klon clone into a Timmy. Haven't tried it the other way around but I like it as is so much I haven't felt the need to.
Nice!
Excellent video! Thankyou
Glad you liked it!
I run the protein into the gladio protein obviously sounds great the gladio is cool because it has that switch function so you can set it to switch back-and-forth with a foot tap! Pretty neat!
Nice!
Just give me a blues breaker style pedal with a ODR1 and I’m good to go. I think that’s why I love the Protein so much.
Mason your playing was very tasteful. Recently I've been messing with running a Black Box 2 into a Soul Food, then wet stuff and I have a EP at the end of the chain. Also I have a mini Wha then a Golden Fleece before the overdrives. Thanks for your videos.
Very nice! Sounds like a nice set up! Thanks for watching!
He is getting better. He takes his time plays a few choice notes. And what I like. Is he goes for a bluest thing .. so many demos. Plug a klon in and bang chords. Punk rock style. Then say. This is crazy a 4K overdrive
awesome, thanks, great teacher and very humble! super thankful for this video!
How about two TS’s? Currently I’m using the emulated TS in the Katana Artist with an SD-1 in front of the amp. High gain on the TS, low gain on the SD-1 for low end attenuation and boost.
Sure, why not!?
I go Klon clone into TS9. Rationale is that the Klon acts as my treble boost into the tube screamer. The TS9 cuts a lot of high end so this help keep the tone from getting too woofy.
Nice!