Chemical dipping a Rare 1978 Porsche 930 / 911 Turbo #11 off the assembly line!
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- I had the pleasure of getting this 1978 Porsche 930/911 turbo down to bare metal prior to this high end restoration. This car was number 11 off the assembly line and the first ten were crash test cars. That means this was the first one available to the public for purchase.
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Are these re dipped in some sort of primer after being cleaned up? This isn't done in NZ due to not being able to reprime all the internal chassis rails etc. They start to rust immediately and within a short time the car has rotted from the inside out making any restoration useless.
Completely agree with you. I was visiting Hopper Racing Developments at Whenuapai, who restore cars, and asked if they acid dipped the bodies. I was really surprised when they told me they didn't, for the obvious reasons that you have stated. It makes a lot of sense to just stick with media blasting.
Maybe they could drill holes in the box section places on this Porsche and get the whole thing galvanized?
Daniel Jessop….I have had my cars dipped since the 1980’s. You have 2 choices. Spray epoxy sealer in and out OR the bodies are dipped into a tank of “E” coat at the same facility. The black finish is exactly the same as replacement factory panels.
Your absolutely correct.
Caustic can also sit between spot welded seems forever, having dissolved some of the original factory seam sealer.
Having said that, if the bare body is to go though a proper E coat process after, the caustic stage is not so much of an issue because the first stages of pre-treatment for E coating includes dipping in mild caustics and phosphates together with demineralised rinses and demin water bath stages before E'coat is applied.
ecoat = electrophoretic Paint
Think I'd probably take the long route. Media blasting and maybe some ice blasting where possible and lots of elbow grease. 👍
Thank you all, I have been curious about how these get protected post dip
Landscape format with a tripod would allow you to use both hands. Turbos had the rear flares welded on by the factory. Later, as they were imported to the US again in 1986 the rear 1/4 panels were one piece. That left side has been spliced to repair it, vertical seem is a repair. Right side is correct. Corrosion directly above the jack point is common as it is a dirt trap that hold moisture. This works it's way through to the rear door jamb area you noted. Messy job, but you got it looking nice. I'm curious as to how well you get it neutralized inside all the pockets, the tunnel, inside the rockers? Have you ever put a tub or chassis through upside down? Note how the factory rolls the new chassis through a primer in an end over end manner to get every surface wetted. Keep up the videos, great job.
I appreciate all that info! You know your stuff. We used to have a cage that we would rotate the cars. It soaked up a lot of time. Circulation of the chemical with pumps and air siphoning fixtures saves a little more time and does a good job. When neutralizing it’s completely submerged the same way as in the acid so it gets everywhere that the acid gets. I’m glad you enjoy the videos! Thank you!
Too bad the outcome was cgi
@@michaelsteel7397 🤣🤣🤣 you’re k!ll!ng me man
Your phone is fine but please hold it sideways. It's much easier to watch in landscape mode and you will probably get a lot more views.
May I asked how much the cost of this process
Just wondering what kind of a cleanup is left. It's great to see these older vehicles preserved. My 2 cents... horizontal is best.
In the years of full ground up restorations I have done, the first 5 or 6 units were media blasted, which is fine to do, but, until you experience the chemical strip system, you'll never go back to blasting processes, even with CO2/ice, the chemical stripping process really allows allot of the unknown pains to be seen clearly..
I may sound a bit mental on my next statement, but, starting out on a chemical stripped unit, even if there is 300 hours of sheet metal fabrication that needs done, from either collision damage or mother Earth trying to reclaim the atoms, chemical stripped units, always feels like you are working with brand new parts, even if there is damage on the unit. It is clean, you can see the nature of the sheet metal and what has been touched after the manufacturing process and how well it was done or not done. So worth it. The price if it is your first time can be a shock to the budget, but once you have it back at your shop and getting a game plan together, it is like opening up a brand new box of LEGO's as compared to the other 300 LEGO sets you already have, the new one just brings good energy and initiative to get started fresh out of the gate. So worth it!
That’s awesome to hear! I really enjoyed reading your comment.
I am a commercial media blaster and 90% of the articles I blast are vehicles . I believe I do a pretty good job and give my customers there moneys worth, but dipping though complicated is on another level, well done!
Thanks buddy! I appreciate that
Trouble about blasting classic vehicles is the collaterals. There's too much good sheet metal being blasted away. Having said that, I've not got anything as rare as this Slant nose, so I'd happily send my cars to you 👍
@@thefreedomguyuk acid removes metal. baking soda not really
@@Fredmullegun it doesn't remove metal, it removes oxidized carbon (rust and corrosion), depending on the metal, if left far too long and not neutralized it'll begin to etch good metal. Soda blasting is easiest of the blasting methods on all metals but left untreated will also destroy the materials
@@MadSceintist Acid definitely removes metal, you just sort of said that. "If left far too long" It's going to thin all the panels and remove all the oxidation.
I guess my only issue is panels that have suffered rust damage but are still solid might thin out enough to get pinholes then what do you do?
It seems to add complications that could be avoided. Seem filler, undercoat, etc is all just gone. To what end?
I HATE the vertical filming format. Everything we do in life is viewed in a horizontal format. I understand you’re probably doing it for insta but ugh….it sucks.
I know. It became a habit because of the other platforms and this was actually shot before I started UA-cam. I’ll start doing horizontal from now on
@@minute_of_dangle well don’t do it on my account, I’m gonna watch one way or another but…..I’m gonna sit on the couch and complain as long as it’s vertical. 😀
Porsche hot dipped these cars in zinc before paint process and gave them a 10 year rust warranty , hopefully the acid won't ruin the metal! Really no need to dip these just vapor blast.Yes the rear flares were hand welded on .
That's interesting, I noticed what looked like galvanizing when the car was being washed. I wondered how the galvanizing holds up to the chemicals.
I didn't want to be the downer but yes 911s were galvanized 76 on and you should never dip then in acid it removes the protection...
Hot dipped or electroplated?
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I can’t say that I’m enjoying the head mounted GoPro. The footage is quite jerky and I’ve not seen that type of thing before in your wonderful videos. My 💲.01 also what a beautiful Porsche. ❤😊
I personally don’t like it either. I’m going to try and figure out a better mounting solution and incorporate both so I can pick and choose
The rear quarters were added from factory on early 930
Porsche has always had great corrosion protection and it really shows here. Those wide fenders were factory additions for the wider 930. It's cool to see that these were imperfect, as you said. So much was done by hand. Nice job Trevor
Thanks buddy!
Not always. They were rust buckets until the late 1970s when Porsche finally addressed the problem with galvanized steel and better coatings.
@@ostrich67 True that. The ones I've worked on have all been 1990+
@@minute_of_dangle здравствуйте скажите что это за жидкость и сколько мне нужно денег спасибо 🖐️
Its going to be a cool 911 (930) 👍
How do they get primer into all those areas that get stripped from the chemical do u dip into a epoxy tank
Show a video how you clean all this mess up in your shop?
I had a Motorcycle Frame chemical dipped in 1985 to remove the paint.
I had the two swingarm bushings replaced, the old bushings had been left in when dipped & thus were hard to remove.
Also, the person that painted the frame said it is better to sand blast.
Sand blasting gives a better surface for the paint to grip/adhere too.
I guess if the sheet metal is thin dipping is the way to go?
Pretty cool but I’d hate to have to clean up all that excess paint. Ugh. What a mess.
Is that color 226 Lindgruen? I have a 78 911 SC Targa with that color.
ok saw the pricing for the full tub dip $3000 not bad not bad
Don't film in vertical. It's a pain to watch. Use a tripod and move if around with you.
How long is this process? A few days? hours? About how much $$?
Early 930 1/4 panels had welded on flares, later 930 1/4 panels were a single piece pressing. It seems strange that the torsion bar plates are still bolted on, hence I assume that the torsion bars are still inside the torsion bar tube, and one of the front bumper deformation tubes is also left bolted on. Always better to unbolt everything. I also assume that the acid dip removes all of the factory galvanizing? There is a heater tube that runs from the engine bay to the front on both sides of a 911/930 and runs through the inside of each sill cavity and where there is a fabric (I cannot recall the exact material) flexible heater pipe, all of these areas need 'special' attention and treatment on any 911/930 that is dipped. It would be interesting to see more of the rinsing process for the cavities and also the thought processes used to treat these after they have all been chemically strippped. I have had many cars dipped over the years, and it is a BIG task to properly treat the shell after dipping (I once paid the price for not doing so with a 911 bonnet). But I also believe that a quality dipping is MUCH better than some of the 'cringe worthy' stuff I see people doing with sand. RINSE - RINSE - RINSE and RINSE again - then dry and treat ALL those internal areas with epoxy and cavity wax is a good suggestion. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
Its amazing how american cars same age….when they go through this process….are basically rusted out….held by welds and shreds….but look at this European car….same age…and solid as a rock. Gotta love American quality. 😂
Do you charge by the hour or do you quote an all in number? Thank you, love seeing shiny exposed metal that clearly shows pinholes, brazing and patches. Keep up the great work!! Canadian viewer with no such shop like yours at my disposal. I’d ship to you but don’t know what state, town or city you’re located in. Thank you!
Dude out of all those cars that I've seen so far I want to see this one completed. Hope the owner shares some pictures.
I wish he would put link s for the car projects
How many EPA compliance precautions do you have to take?
Heating bill for the hot tanks?
Whats your lead time??
What's average cost for a dip and location of your shop
I have the website linked in the description there’s a full price sheet on there. We are in nanty glo pa
I find these videos oddly satisfying.
One thing though, now that the paint is off and the car is as welded together, how do you get paint into all those closed off areas?
In the factory they submerge the body in primer.
The landscape works for me. I can tilt my phone horizontal and get a much bigger picture.
Not sure if you have done this before, but It would be a good video to show people how you filter and collect all the waste chemicals and residue from the stripping process before some hand-wringing, tree hugging environmentalist super glues himself to your front door.
I fixed your BS comment for you ......
"an environmental officer makes sure you are disposing of ALL THAT TOXIC CRAP in a safe manner so it doesn't impact on your fellow citizens in any shape or form"
Your welcome 👍
@@mickthefixer2010 It's "you're" not your. Your poor English aside, you probably are typing your comment on the 5th computer of your life, the prior 4 made with all that "toxic crap" having been sent to the landfill. Let me guess, you also strap on a plastic helmet, some polyester outfit and ride a bicycle that was made by child labor in China and shipped to your shore in a 1000 foot container ship burning 50 tons of bunker fuel per day.
I’m certain they do everything by the book. Long gone are the days of dumping barrels on farms or in the car wash. I worked in the environment area at a manufacturer before I retired and we followed our permits
this came out amazing just shows how well these cars were made to look this good all of these years. this will be a killer restoration.
Too.bad the outcome was cgi
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@@michaelsteel7397 😂😂😂
@@lancewood6900 😉
Try filming horizontally . Should give you a better view of your job
Someone please explain, what is the composition of that alkaline bath? What kind of chemicals?
People´s eyes are next to each other and not one above the other. Please film in landscape format!
Subscribed! Great work and what a cool car. Acid dipping is almost as satisfying and dry ice detailing.
Looks like we're going to have to wait for them to send him pictures. All their website lists is the services they offer. There's a gallery section, but absolutely nothing in it.
If it’s a 78 it is not #11. Production started in 1975.
I think they're referring to the 1978 production year.
anyway, you can turn video 90 degrees on edit:)
Nice job as usual. I prefer the panoramic to portrait videos. I don't know about GoPro but I have a sports cam that can be linked to my phone or tablet. That way you can take a peek at what your shooting. Best Regards - Mike
Why vertical video. Two thirds of my TV screen is black bars. Shoot your video landscape ya heathen! ;)
Seriously this will be the last video I watch on your channel shot vertically.
Nice job. I wasn’t aware you had to dip 3 times to get it completely stripped.
Do you drill holes in the most upper parts of the body to get the air out when it dips.
We recommend customers do that but we install air siphoning fixtures in places that hold air. We also have pumps that circulate the chemical and that helps a lot
❤️👍
I could watch paint coming off all day.
How do you keep it from oxidizing immediately after the neutralizing rinse?
The neutralizing alkaline actually inhibits rust even after washing. But the last step we dip the car into a rust inhibitor
You say rare... but it looks well done to me.
Porsche's 911 car body design is so iconic. It's so fun when you get to watch it peeled to bare metal. It's like a brand new canvas and anything is possible. I love your videos because it's so exciting when you pull them up from the dip. It's like the cars are getting reborn. Spraying off the layers feels refreshing. I will not know what I'd do if it's my car being dipped. LoL
Интересно на такое бы посмотреть и поучаствовать в процессе😉👍
Not sure why strip this car. Galvanized with factory undercoating. I can see early cars with rust but unsure on this. Reproducing the factory shutz is expensive. And buyers will see it was done by a non factory I get the paint mil thickness so strip the top. Seems like they created more work for themselves ocd got the best of them Hope it gets recoated properly
There is normally lead in that area of the door sills which looked rotted out. Does the process strip lead filler? I'd very curious to see how they restore this beauty, particularly inside the rockers and kidney bowls... sensitive areas hidden from view.
Horizontal
You realize it was Two Face that fell into the acid bath, not Joker
I thought it was joker (Jack Nicholson), the first Batman with Micheal Keaton
Long Island? 100% Seinfelds car. 😊
This is a real car. A car worth saving
Your drains must get blocked with so much shite you must have your own onsite drainage team.................................love the vids though.
i saw THE JOKER !
Use whatever device works best but LANDSCAPE please!
NO VERTICAL VIDEO. Jesus how many times over the past 20 years do we have to say it. No vertical video. This isn't Chinese TicTok.
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Why shoot in verticle? Just edit the video with a phone app and convert it for social media that way. People watching on youtube should get the normal widescreen version of these videos. It's one extra step in editing and you get the best of both.
That 930 will look killer when it’s done!👊
Nice, very messy with the water jet blasting. Maybe use some make shift walls to contain the mess.
I understand the reason for trying a head mount but these kind of videos rarely work for this type of content. The slightest head movement just becomes neauseating after a few minutes. Also, why spped up the footage? Users can increase playback speed if they want to blaze through it. Some of us like it slooooowwww, baby....
Is there any kind of coating or treatment one can out on the finished product to keep it from re-rusting if you can't get to the body work right away? I mean other than primer or paint, of course.
The bodywork of that car is galvanized. Porsche had an unpainted one on a plinth outside in front of their factory, so I'm not sure what rust you thought you were removing.
Hey thanks for the upload. I was wondering about the doors, do you dip them separately using the same procedure?
I don't like vertical camera. Horizontal is better,
why can't people use landscape... for goodness sakes this would have been very interesting.
Reminds me of a car I saw Frequently in Winnipeg around the 1980's
I like to watch all the videos on the channel, but this one was not on the list, and I had watched them all, but after watching this one, 11 old videos appeared that were not on the list before, UA-cam hides videos from the lists
Please, no vertical video. Please you landscape format. Thanks.
I don't think the quarters were replaced. I believe Porsche had the narrow and wide body versions, and just put the quarter on that was needed.
Turn the bloody camera the other side . You are on UA-cam not on Instagram. Btw i love you videos !!!
To be honest I dont know what is the solution in every tank you used.
I never see these technique in my country. Would you please to share with me. Thanks bro.
Like your work ! I have a 4th gen bronco and I'm considering having it dipped after seeing your videos. Where are you located ?
Nanty glo pa 3s chemicals llc
When something is rare or extreme or from us-america I seldom watch it to the end.
So the company took an original car with original paint and stripped it to discover that the body is in great condition.
You did a great job but I would have left it in original paint
Landscape will always be best, regardless of recording method.
This is really cool! But wondering what you do with all the water and paint runoff. Is it routed to a containment area where it can be disposed of.
Osky L……from what I understand the contaminated water and paint ( many times it contains heavy metal pigment) are collected and piped directly to ALGORE’s house.
Hi, i m khaliq from pakistan, is it possible to place dip tank here in Peshawar Pakistan,????
Please, please stop shooting in vertical. It wastes 2/3 of my screen and is tiny.
how do you protect yourself from steam and chemicals when using high pressure washers
I don't understand why dip,why not just media blast ??
Go pro ✨!!! Just record horizontal instead of vertical.
Now that the dip is finished. Find someone who can treat the body with the same rust provention as todays cars
man,,,,,, those style of iphone shots is just a waste of time try landscape mode next time
What’s the average cost to get this done? And do you do frame stripping/rust removal for the same price?
(Just looking for ballpark numbers nothing concrete.)
Go to 3schemicalsllc.com they have a price sheet up.
@@minute_of_dangle Thank You
Definitely had quarters widened, that isn't factory
I wish you had a location out west! I am in Reno, and I have three cars that are about to begin restoration.
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Лайк. Что за жидкости? Первая вода из Москва реки? , наверное? Вторая посудомой?
Why you dont use a protective mask, or goggles?
Is there a wide angle option fit either?
Can't really get a full effect with the smaller lense
Fascinating and satisfying video to watch. Just subscribed.
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A bit too busy. (Darting around with head pro)
Трудная работа. Очень вредно для легких. Берегите себя.
GoPro looks good to me
Thanks! I’ll definitely incorporate it more
Great job. I think I would like horizonal view instead of the verticle.