😱Tearing Apart the Dashboard to Fix a Leaking Heater Core! Mitsubishi Magna Ralliart Dash Disaster!
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So it turns out all Mitsubishi Magnas built after 1996 have a fatal flaw when it comes to the design of the interior heater core... it absolutely sucks and it's common for them to leak steaming hot coolant into the interior of your car. So today we're having a crack at replacing it... which unfortunately means tearing the dashboard apart just so we're able to access it. #motoringbox
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I remember Malcom from the old AMC fourm days. Had a reputation for all the wrong reasons. Absolute one of a kind that one.
Ppp😊
A lot of people don't have any idea bow much effort it takes to keep a car in good shape, let alone getting one BACK in shape. Amazing stuff!
I believe Malcolm hates most people. He's just very difficult to deal with, even just in general conversation
he dont work on magnas no more , i think he does trailers now days
Malcolm sounds like most car wrecker owners i've ever dealt with LOL
He's a very difficult person. I don't understand why he's in business. I've had a couple of bad experiences. Also some good experiences. Nothing is ever his fault though. Even if it is. Pain in the arse, stubborn little man.
He's a stooge and nobody likes him. Starts fights with strangers but a coward in real life. Will just block you when challenged.
I've been waiting on parts from him for 7 months 💀💀
What a bugger seeing you getting a tough time with the parts suppliers. Almost worth taking the heater core to a metal shop and see if they could put metal connectors onto the core instead of those crappy plastic ones. Nice HubNut finish there ;)
Exactly what I was thinking - in before the 1980s these heater core pipes would of been brazed metal pipes, although likely destined to have rusted through by now.
The finish went well with the subtle "all the good times" thrown in there. 😅
Yep, you have the angles needed. Not like you are going in blind.
I was just looking at that thinking I could probably replicate that in alloy for a forever fix...
Mitsfix are notoriously bad at customer service, and kudos to you for calling them out. In regards to the plastic weld. I would have epoxy 2 pack around the plastic to reinforce it with some fibreglass as well. If metal wasn't an option. Plastic scares me , if your going to go to the effort, taking the time to never have to do it ever again is always worth it.
👍Horrible service. Arrogant person with no social skills. Great parts inventory though. Such a shame.
I completed this job on my Magna about a year ago and it wasn't half as daunting as I expected. Patience and a methodical approach required as you showed, the only challenge like you was getting the HVAC box out of the way enough to slide out the heater core - what I did was remove the top pipe and snap the bottom pipe off due to lack of access for a Torx - given I had new replacements. Bought the same replacement core and pipes from the same seller for what I thought was an exorbitant price for what it was but thankfully it was all intact and arrived quickly. What I noticed following replacement was how much quicker the heat came in after a cold start.
Thanks mate, I actually watched your video and it was awesome to get an overview of what needed to happen!
Most people don’t do a reverse flush on the cooling system, good to get the little stuff out.
With the plastic tubes most would just leave it for the next person.
@@wobblysauce any chance ya have the part number ?
@@MotoringBoxTV u can do it faster if u regas the ac
@@MotoringBoxTV wow, that means a lot, glad it helped, thanks Sean.
Good to see you getting some progress made despite problems. Awesome work mate
Mitsi-Bit's in SA are great blokes Sean if you are after part's.
Give them a try with nutting out your car.
Many rely on them for the IPRA build's too.
All the best with your dream car🌟
Sorry to hear about the trouble you've had with suppliers, in regards to Australian Online Car Parts, I've bought various Commodore parts from them over the years, and even living in Sydney have always had stuff in my hands from them pretty quickly. I don't believe that story about Auspost not picking up stuff for two weeks for a second, but given my experiences it certainly seems out of character for them. As for that Mitsifix guy, he reminds me of a lot of wrecking yard staff I've dealt with over the years. Lol.
I have a lot of respect for you as an avid car enthusiast I can’t imagine taking on the jobs you so easily do
Well done I truly wish I had your knowledge.
Yeah agreed. Not sure I would take that on but if you had to pay someone to do it , it would cost an arm and a leg. Full credit to you Sean. Approached in a logical methodical way. It is good people are manufacturing those parts but what a pity the quality is not there. Not something you want to revisit too often. Car already so much better than the one you purchased.
its not too hard to learn. whats helped me was having a dad with a bit of knowledge but i also do a lot of reading, i have workshop manuals and i also just give jobs a go and they prove not to be too hard. its at the point where my dad asks me questions now.
Thought of letting EBay know?
I have read they're heavily in favour of the buyer. You payed a considerable amount for the items and he's not keeping up. He has no justification to be mad at you.
Your a gutsy man Sean pulling all that apart. I just know you'll be duly rewarded.
Agreed on it seeming more daunting than it is - the first time I tackled this job 4 or 5 years ago, I never thought i'd get it done, but the same methodical approach as you've shown here was all that's needed, and saved a fortune in labor if you could even find a mechanic willing to do this. Kudos mate, well done.
Always terrified when I pull a dash. Always feel like I'm going to forget a connector when it goes back together.
Love that paint. I'm going to need to get some of that for some work on the XR6.
Great video.
I think if I just go slow and double check everything as I go, hopefully it'll all go back together properly 😁
Great job Sean! Your confidence as a home mechanic has grown so much is so much fun watching you grow with each task you tackle.
Good work getting stuck into the dashboard job, so many are scared to. Just a shame who you purchased your parts from because, again, not many have had good experiences with them. There were some doing billet outlets but like you said time constraints. Good job man
Knowing my luck i would have snapped the heater core connectors when trying to get it back in the dash.
Looking forward to seeing how this turns out. Maybe a rally art colt in the future to keep the mighty magna company?
Mate did a VHT colour change on an XC Falcon half cloth interior years back. It made the fabric a tiny bit crusty but looked and lasted well. Worked magic on the vinyl 👍
Sean I would get a radiator pressure tester and pressurise the system and see if it can hold a pressure before installing the dash.
That was almost a ptchoo at the end, have you been watching HubNut?
Great video, I have experience with the JB weld plastic sealing kit and it does the job, so you should be fine. I accidentally broke one of the tabs on the red Outlander’s light while polishing it for a roady and it dried firm and held very strong when put back into the car. In terms of online parts, some are good, some are very ordinary. I had to wait weeks from parts in Australia (some were only 20km from me), whereas odd parts from Spain, UK or Estonia I had them within days.
JB Weld makes good stuff. There's an old Project Farm video where he JB welded the cylinder head of a Briggs & Stratton engine, and it actually worked. Sean might be in with a chance here.
Those heater pipes are an absolute nightmare, Had to do it on my old TJ Magna Wagon. But what I did is since it was unregistered when I bought it I pulled the dash and took the heater core and pipes to a local Metal fab shop, Then got them to make up the replacements out of Alloy which were then O ring and siliconed in place and everything reassembled cost me less then $100 for a permanent fix. I also put the TJ Magna VRX body kit and sports wagon wing on it and found a rare as hens teeth leather interior for it, So it was White externally with a black and tan leather interior in addition to having the manual conversion. It was a Mint unit got it on the road and unfortunately 11 months after putting it on the road it was Rear ended by a Camry and Written off, Ended up replacing it with a KJ Verada V6Xi which all the manual conversion etc went into and the VRX body kit on and started calling it the KJ Verada VR-Xi. Only sold it last year after 8 years of ownership with near 400,000km on it to another enthusiast, I now scoot around in a 2005 380 VRX in Sable Black and factory 5 speed manual. Given the choice between the Magna / Verada and 380 I prefer the Magna / Verada.
I remember doing this I was outside in the middle of summer with a magna guru(and all round good mate) helping me, I splurged and went genuine everything because lets face it if I'm taking the dash out I only want to do it once we got in there to find a near new heater core and elbows and the 2 dollar seals had failed but many swear words later I had a working heater... in the middle of summer. Was very grateful come winter though can't wait to see next video hope the plastic weld holds.
Another glue product I'm very fond of is a 2 part ca system called rapid fix has like a ca glue and a powder it's good for adding a bit of structure where needed, doesn't work on some plastics though
The jazz music you've added is extremely nice. Keep it up, I'm so sick of hearing hard rock in car videos.
Hi Sean
It's really great to see how much your confidence has grown over the years.
Good luck with this new car and unique challenges it presents you with
Nick Australia
Great job Sean.....hope that delivery situation is sorted too
Coming along well Sean, that dash removal looks like a nightmare.
Fun trivia for you; I'm from Launceston and Moog (MCM) was born there too!
Merry Christmas to you and your family all the best for 2023. Love the background music.
You're a man of infinite patience Sean.
Just wait until the heater mixer breaks in the BA.😁 That's a dash out job too just for a plastic stick. lol
Mines busted in 'White' but I'm either going to cut the side out of the dash, (Unlikely) or make an aftermarket one work like it was done in 60's and 70's cars.
awesome videos! I have a magna as my first car and im loving it. This series has been great so far!
You’re a braver man than I! After dismantling a Volkswagen Golf interior I avoid any interior work whenever possible.
You’re a very brave man.
As a Magna person myself and mechanic I would never attempt this repair lol
Good luck and I hope it works out.
Merry Christmas
Ive done this twice now on a KJ and KL Verada, its not that hard, takes about a full day and a bit.
I can see now why mechanics charge so much for this job :O. You do make it look easy, hoping the plasticweld holds for you.
As a mechanic there are no jobs I hate more than pulling a dash and HVAC core box. Some vehicles it takes a whole fucking day to get it all out.
Most won't even do it anymore.
Great job as always Sean! I'm sorry you're having a bit of a ballache with the parts sellers but your perseverance really will pay off I'm sure. When watching the vid, I was keeping all the fingers and toes crossed that it would all go together and nothing would break on you haha, sending all of the positive vibes your way mate. Keep up the good work!
Dont worry about the hate Sean, its preserving Australian car history and refreshing to see some one so unbiased.
Not the most fun job in the world or the easiest. I admire your skills and perseverance, Sean.
Merry Christmas Sean, the effort you put into videos year round is a great gift to us all, happy new year too!
I would recommend Mitsi-Bits they are a shop in sth Australia. I've never even bought anything from them but they have been so helpful when I have been annoying with questions over the years haha...they have alot if not every Mitsubishi part ever made .
I did wonder if it was for a birth, if so they'd have just turned 13 years old!
@@MotoringBoxTV plus they have build magna race cars before and raced at Bathurst in the improved production class..if you type in" improved production racing magna" into UA-cam there is some great footage that was taken from channel 10 I think.
Great job Sean! Always a ton of fun doing a dash job on a Queensland summer's day!
The ralliart is coming more rare and your doing a awsome job to get it back to it best I used to have 3 of them awsome car big lover of the ralliart magna mine maunal as well keep going with it and cart wait to see the end result
Hi Sean, it is very unfortunate that you are not receiving adequate customer support with your purchased items. Australia Post is also a joke, going by my experience; delivery taking two weeks for an item 10 kms away. Regardless, it's great that you are repairing issues such as dash out/heater core jobs; IMO more than a back yard DIY'er would of done. Great work mate!
Mind you, two weeks for a delivery is lightning fast when you live in Perth. Post must be storing the stuff rather than deliver it.
I had to do this job twice a couple years ago on my lancer which is pretty much identical procedure. The "new" heater core I got also leaked so you can never be sure you won't have to do it again.
Sorry for your experience with certain suppliers. Have a safe and enjoyable holiday and look forward to 2023's content. Great work as always.
What are you sorry for... is Mitsfix your business?
What a weird and unique car. Its just right up my alley. I love watching resto projects of models we never got here in the states. Its going to be a common issue trying to find parts for niche cars from across the world, whether it be price or quality but just keep your head up and do what you can. Really enjoying your build series on this car, sir. Cheers.
The Australian built Magna was sold in the US as a Diamanté. The Magna Ralliart was not. So if you want a odd car, they are available in the US.
Nice video, good camera angles, staging. Nice to watch.
Brings back distant memories of having to replace a heater flap (a $10 part) right inside the HAVC box on a Lotus Excel. Lotus back then had all individual dials and switches and very few bulky connectors and of course mobile phone cameras didn't exist so everything had to be labelled as it came out. Remarkably it all went back together with no issues but took almost 2 sold days. Looking forward to if/when the heater balance shaft fails on by Falcon BF. Only problem is I'm 35 years older now...
You can come and do my BA air mix shaft for practice 😂 it broke the other day and it's stuck on full cold (lucky it's summer!).
I really Cbf doing it myself.
Sean, you wanna make a video about it? 😂
Enjoying the journey mate, even the painful bits. 😉
The Magna dash is far easier to pull apart than a than a Holden VY.
Another great video Sean & at least it'll help those who maybe in the same boat. You might have to hit up a couple of Mitsubishi wreckers in Brisvegas for other parts or just go see them to see if you can scrounge around.
I’ve done a couple of VYs and the dash removal wasn’t too bad, the V6 heater box removal was ok also but the V8 heater box is an absolute nightmare because there are bolts so close the the engine and trying to get your hands in there ended with many cuts and scratches and much much more swearing
@@knight2425 I always broke the centre console plastics which was always a pain. Thank god for decent Holden wreckers! I have a VY series I S V6 and a VY series I S with the optional LS1 which is now my new project. I'm lucky that the heater box in the LS1 is good but the best find I got was 2 of the optional smokers pack which the connector is there for straight connection. The smokers pack was a $360 option back in the day. The swearing continues on both utes lol.
@@1969Risky I had a VY Calais V6 and a VY LS1 project car, the project car got all the Calais goodies including the dual zone climate control unit hence the dashboards out and I didn’t break anything. Like I said the V6 was a dream to work on but the V8 was a nightmare, the dashboard removal isn’t a small job by any means but it’s all straight forward
@@knight2425 I restored the V6 in 2015 & now late 2022 I'm restoring the V8. The difference between the years tracking down panels/trim is so different now. years ago it was easy but now it's hard to find good condition parts/trim at a good price. I'm in the throes of doing an OTR & adding the SS sailplane endcap with the 3rd brake light. I'm tired of idiots sitting on my ass & when I brake they don't know until it's nearly too late.
Great video Sean!! With getting rare and neat non existent parts, have you ever thought of going down the 3D scan and print route? Maybe you could even borrow the parts that you can’t get and get them scanned and printed and then get the scan files saved onto a usb stick in case you need to replace any of them?
Brave stuff Sean. You’ve inspired me to pull the dash out of my 2008 SY Territory to fix a broken vent mixer rod 😢
I have to do a similar thing - something in my BA has come adrift and you can hear it rattling when you switch to windscreen demister!
@@MotoringBoxTV Yeah, my footwell vent is permanently shut and windscreen marginal at best. Apparently mixer shaft failure is common among the BA derivatives.
It's a real pain in the rear job. It took me 8 hours to do mine. Good luck.
lol, HubNut represent!
I had 2004 vrx 5 speed auto was a great car but they are crazy thirsty. I always thought it'd be huge fun with a 5mt. Great to see you saving such a unique car. 👍👍
The auto model tends to drink more fuel than the manual.
Manual's can get as low as 6.6L per 100km.
@@brantleyfoster021 I can believe manuals are better on gas, but 6.6 per hunday sounds like some kind of minor miracle too me
@@tonybolstad9514
Wikipedia has them at this.
It's just about paying attention to the instruction manual.
It specifically says that to get the best fuel economy, you need to keep rev's below 2000rpm.
Drive with a light foot too.
If you keep the car at 70km/h for say 500km in 5th gear, might be surprised at what it will show you.
Also Sports and VR-X better on fuel thanks to the more free flowing exhaust. The upgraded 6G74 engine became standard on all later TJ's, minus the free flowing exhaust.
@@pcorf
Earlier model's had the 3L 6G72 motor though.
They can fetch good economy in manual model's too.
Great vid, great job on the repair👍really enjoying this. Only subscribed to your channel recently and loving it 👍
Well done mate, huge job and tackled well, another tip is to use zip lock bags and mark them, jas saved me countless times when looking for that screw that went somewhere 🤔
I hope it does hold. have you tried looking to find a metal equivalent of that part ?
Your doing awesome and putting out great vids merry Xmas 🎅 bro 👍
What patience you have great work
Whata afterthought 😳. Using plastic 'O' ringed heater pipes is a recipe for disaster!? I personally would of soldered alloy pipes to the existing core? 🤔
Lol I’m from Launceston 😂 so that car was probably originally from Tasmania 😮
Massive undertaking. 👍
That cubby hole to replace the ashtray is what my TL Magna has. To replace the lighter, it has a socket inside the console bin. There's also a second socket between the rear seat and the door which is not in the manual. Especially useful for my 12V compressor! I suspect Mitsubishi was loading the 'features' in to make up for the ugly looks.
Issues with Mits-Fix. You arn’t the first and won’t be the last! Oh and don’t worry about him hating you, he’s still pissy at me from close to a decade ago and still mentions it on facebook regularly…talk about personal issues 😂.
Good job on the dash! Another issue sorted and one step closer to having it back to normal!
Fk me - can’t believe Mal still hasn’t buried the hatchet from those days!! I’d be honoured if I was you - you’ve got free rent in his mind and he’s still angry!
@@kournikovac2625 HAHAHA Yep! I still have people PM'ing me with screenshots, bloody sad, but it does make me lol a bit...
Butthurt mucho.
@@dodgeviper89 I figured since he killed AMC he'd completely moved on from the dwindly magna community.
Where is he still carrying on like a cut snake?
@@kournikovac2625 Was on the good on facebook I've heard of it. Yeah he infiltrated the pajero scene too, pest.
@@dodgeviper89 hey mate, would love to have a chat sometime to get to the bottom of what actually happened. I think you might have an idea of who I am. I’ve heard one side of the story but would love to hear the other side of it sometime too. I’m not gonna force you to say anything, but if you wanted to I’d love to talk over Facebook or something
Hi Shaun, its good that you are getting in some practice on dash removal, as you like me own a BA/ BF Falcon. The heaters on these cars fail as well. I had to take the dash out of my BF only to find that the actuator rod wasn't broken, so i installed the new one anyway. I had to put the dash back in with no working heater as i was in a mates workshop. This excersize in futility took me 7 hrs. By the way the dash is bloody heavy and you will need a hand to lift it out. Also one of those heater hose clips is not a spring clip. Hope you have a happy Xmas mate, cheers from NZ. Phil
I always refresh the coolant in my old cars and always run the heater each time I take them out in the hope this will preserve the heater core. Fingers crossed. 🤞
I'd get in touch with 'Eastern Ranges Motors,' formally Magna's R Us. Speak to Aaron or Michael. Very knowledgeable and pleasant to deal with. They carry quite a few spare parts. Much better service than Mitsfix.
Ha! Mitsfux. I did warn you. 🤣
Also, he hates everyone so you're not alone. 😁
I call him Caption Charisma
Hi Shawn have you checked the wreckers they usually have quite a few Magnas
Look for the manual transmission, do you have it?
Cant wait to do this stuff with my jzx 100 mark 2
I know it is too late now, but I would have put a copper or ali sleeve in each pipe.
When that music started I feared the worst. But it seems to have gone very well. I hope never to do a full dash out job though.
Right now, I want to convert my ef xr6 to manual, it's really daunting because I'm not sure how long it's going to take me and if I'm missing anything
You know your magna mad when your installing the re trimmed verada door cards and putting tinsel on the bullbar of the verada but stop everything to watch this 🤣
hi
Use high temperature o rings . Seems like the factory did not . H/temp o rings will not go hard .
All plastic water fittings / manifolds all eventually fail .
Surely for those heater core barbs asking prices you could just ditch the plastic and get some metal barbs welded on the core for a permanent solution.
I thought that too... as long as the new ones are made as the same material as the heater core, it'd work a treat. Obvs you don't want steel heater core pipes if the heater core is aluminium...
Metal could work, they'd need to have those flange things welded on too which surely wouldn't be hard.
@@MotoringBoxTV I don't think the large flanges are critical just a couple of appropriate sized rubber grommets in the firewall should be fine. All that seems necessary are the 2x 90* bends that look to be about 20mm diameter.
Is this a common magna problem? My heater was leaking also so i blocked it off. Not sure if it's the core or the plastic elbow connectors . It's been like this for 8 years! One day i will look at it😢
Every car will have it happen!
What’s the story with Mitsfix?
Hey Sean, wasn't there Rubber seals in between the the heater core pipes and the firewall?
There were foam type ones which were falling apart, so I didn't bother refitting them. It seemed to fit up fairly snug so I don't imagine it being an issue without them.
It's a real pity that you had to deal with that shit funnel Malcolm.
Reminds me of the heater box servo rod replacement on a BA Falcon….horrible
6:28 no idea why I noticed this but I’ve got the same hose reel lol
Very nice progress mate, sounds like mitsfix has some internal issues lol
Can I suggest fitting a tube internal to each side of the broken bits and epoxy them both together, might be better and stronger than the plastic weld.
Gday. With that top “spring” clamp. It’s not exactly a spring clamp at all. It’s supposed to have a little plate and screw to tighten up the clamp 16:02
Yup a few others pointed that out, really appreciated it.
Someone hating you when they have never met you and that has presumably been done no wrong by you is somewhat illogical.
Those plastic elbows I would have been inclined to see if a radiator place could make new ones out of metal.
I'd love someone to make Falcon blend door shafts out of metal.
Looking forward to seeing this car finished.
Possibly a missed opportunity to make your own part. If you can model in 3d (Fusion360, Solidworks, etc), this could have been printed in ABS (printing can be outsourced)... send me the one if you'd like and I'll create a model for you.
7:52. This car was originally in Tasmania.
Hey MotoringBox I just had a question in regards to your AU Fairmont, do you have any experience with the gearbox going into Limp Home Mode and staying in 3rd gear, I recently got myself a AU Fairmont V8 and have put 3000 ks on it and just recently it's started getting stuck in 3rd in third gear which to my knowledge is Limp Home Mode indicating something is wrong, do you by any chance know of any of the possible causes for this happening?
I'm not sure sorry mate. I've heard of that happening but never had to investigate the causes. A fluid flush might be a good start, while you search up online to see what could be the cause. Good luck!
@@MotoringBoxTV all good, thanks for the tip
That top heater hose clamp isnt a spring clamp, its missing a screw
Did you clean the dust out? There was a lot. I’m not good with removing that stuff and leaving it dusty so tell me you did it and I will be fine.
Everything is getting cleaned, you'll like it.
@@MotoringBoxTV Oh my!
Mal can be a bit prickly unfortunately, I wouldn’t take it too personally though.
If those are light coats I don't want to see ya heavy coat 😅😅😅
That parking ticket is from the hospital I was born in, before moving to Victoria where I am now.
Very brave using a old fitting. It's a lot of pulling apart when it shits itself.
Hold up that second clamp going into the firewall isn't a spring clamp yo, it's missing the screw and the little rectangle piece with 2 holes that the 'wire' hooks through. same as 80's toyotas use
Yeah a few pointed that out luckily. I've never seen them before and obviously wasn't paying attention at the time😬
i sue the same paint on my plastics its amazing
One of the hose clamps you used needs a screw in it, it's not the spring clip type.
Come to think of it you're right! Good pick up!
Good video
I would get to fittings Brazed onto the new core that way it will never ever leak again plastic is just a bad bad idea.
Question: you're in Queensland, why do you need a heater core?
Can't get a safety certificate without one.
Rub back with a very fine scotch-brite and you should also use a plastic primer
With the VHT vinyl dye I don't believe primer is needed. Will see how it goes long term though!
@@MotoringBoxTV I used it only because a mate who owns a trim fix company recommended it, I also use the vht vinyl dye it's fantastic matches OEM well can't really tell
Remove the o ring and just epoxy them in, pressure check them before you install.