Why do FF14 Players hate the Manderville Relics?
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- Опубліковано 5 кві 2023
- Final Fantasy 14 players have been upset with the Manderville Relic Weapons and I wanted to talk about why that is and what we can do about it.
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Honestly, the true lesson here is that you can’t make everyone happy.
It doesn’t matter what the team does, there’s always going to be someone that’s going to complain because they just want to complain.
Yeah there are always two sides to each coin on that front. You can't have both a big grind and a little one XD but it might change up a lot in later steps of the relic at least
@@Sonicrida I expect it will. Every relic thus far has boiled down to "do FATEs or throw tomestones at Rowena" for the first step, often second too. Including Eureka, which boiled down to farming trash until slightly fatter trash showed up to yell at you for bullying its siblings.
People who complain just to complain are a very small minority. Most of the people who complain are entirely warranted to feel however they feel about the content without being condescending to them. This all turns into feedback that the devs will use to weigh decisions about whatever changes are to come in the future.
@@archael18 honestly meant it more in the “you can’t have it both ways” sense, in that there’s always going to be someone that’s upset with how something was implemented.
Generally, most hardcore players want long grinds, and most casuals want shorter quest steps. Unfortunately you can’t have it both ways.
Facts
SE: *Makes relic weapons a true grind to unlock and upgrade*
Community: “this shit is so tedious wtf, I hate Eureka and Bozja, why are these damn weapons so grindy”
SE: *Makes relic weapons easily obtainable with Tomes that you can quickly get by just doing dailies/weeklies or running endgame content*
Community: “This shit is too easy, this relic is so disappointing where is the grind? Worst relic of all time”
Gamers will always find something to bitch about
The never ending struggle of game design
Bozja is a good zone to me, the relic that I most liked to grind.
Bozja is perfect in my IMO.
ARR Relic is insane just doing 1st level already give me PTSD.
The thing you and many others fail to realize is that those are 2 different sections of the community, not the same ones. But one is much, much larger. Should we be removing all content to make things better for the very small section of the community who hates actually playing the game?
Being able to complete almost the entire grind step before logging in on patch day is too far in the other direction, seriously. If you make someone take a shower in boiling hot water and then change it to freezing cold, people are gonna be unhappy with both results, that's not the community's fault.
I’m perfectly happy with them so far. Running old raids/trials 20 to 30 times a piece or hoping for drops in Bozja (which were way too low drop rate) killed my desire to finish ShadowBringer Relics.
Yeah honestly I don't want to deal with the rng progression much myself either haha
I hated Bozja. I ended up giving up a few relic steps in.
@@continuallyblessed44 alot of em are best at there like second step anyways
Thank you, I AINT DOIN ALLA DAT
I will agree doing bozja got anoyimg at times but I will say getting the relic was WAY easier than getting that air cycle mount. But I did feel satisfied with it's completion.
I would also point out one thing, a thing that is massive:
People complained about every single version of relics, even Bozja and Eureka, despite people wishing for it to come back. So it can be a little hard to make consistent ways to doing relics.
Yeah this is the struggle for sure. It's going to be hard to please everyone!
I for one am glad i am not stuck in relic jail Bozja. Holy cow that stuff was (and still is) boring. I think people just want something to do, which is fair. But let's respect our own time, please. Let's not settle for bad content just for the sake of having something to do. Tomes>Bozja.
@@GoatOfWar meanwhile there's me who goes into bozja for fun XD
@@Sonicrida I'm glad you enjoy it, but i personally would rather just spend a bunch of tokens than do content i thoroughly dislike.
@@GoatOfWar oh absolutely! My dream relic gives people the option to progress that makes the most sense for them
Passively got all the HW animas over a span of a few months and it was like the thing that kept me going consistently cause i would always think "cool these leftover poetics/mats can go towards my next one" once i finished up my daily rotation of stuff. Once you got several down you might just say well imma just get the whole set.
I think the best option was on Shadowbringers: you can either run old/current content or go to the dedicated zone. Even if you don't like one, you may do the other or both a little bit. They lost the opportunity push the variant dungeons as a step, that wouldn't be overly hard and would encourage people to do Variants/Criterion after a while. Or even Orthos. That's really what bummed me out.
Agree these new contents (orthos, variant) are left out after a week, they should reuse them instead of reusing freaking low level dungeons and msq with roulette you already did thousands of time..
My biggest issue with the current relic weapons is how much it's inflated the cost of crafting mats and how it has made it so the only thing I can ever spend my tomes on is relics since I want all of them. I think they could have accomplished the same thing by introducing a new currency or item that drops from doing the same things as astronomy tomes, similar to moogle tomestone events.
I want to collect them all, too. But there is no work behind it. The stones for the relic-mats are a passive income since I get my weekly cap every week. And I even run roulettes just for the purpose to get those stones. But... well it's so monotonous.
I'm in the minority, but I Love the Manderville Relics! I flat out enjoy the Inspector Hildibrand side quests from ARR to the current Endwalker expansion. And it feels great to get such a nice reward as part of completing this long line of side questing. Granted I wish there was more to it than just collect 3,000 tomestones. But for those of us who love Hildibrand and played through all of his quests, being rewarded with these weapons makes the experience that much more special. You're free to disagree, this is just how I feel.
I do agree that it's great for people who love the quest line! It kinda makes me wonder if Tataru will get her own somewhere down the line or even the island
As someone who had to do the Hildebrand quest from beginning to end for the relics, I thought the story was pretty funny and got through part of the heavensward quest line. After that I got bored of the type of comedy and ended up skipping the rest of the cutscenes.
@Alberto I did the Hildebrand quest when they came out- but I will say- the most priceless thing was reading my sister (who hates the quest line) chat log during the HW part. It was absolutely priceless and totally worth her complaining to my mom later that I was mean for laughing...... I'm a horrible sister I know...
the story line seems nice, i just wish they were separate from the relic questline, i ended up just skipping all the cutscenes because i wanted to get the relic when it released
I love them too!
Yeah my biggest gripe at first is it didn't give me anything new to do, which, already just running roulettes every day had gotten stale for me ages ago. Since not only was it the same exact step as the first, and the first step was just tomes, it became kind of annoying. I personally am someone who tries to get all the relics just to have something to do, but with the 2nd step and the first step being just tomes, it made me have to choose between the first steps I don't have, and the 2nd steps I want to get, as well as continuing to prevent me from using my tomes for other things like crafting mats. Before the 2nd step came out, I was hoping that whatever it would make me do would help me get tomes so that I could get the first steps I still needed while working on the 2nd step, but that didn't happen, and then it boiled down once again into "just do your daily roulettes and catch every hunt train you can" which is already mind numbing unless you get some lively people in the train.
Yeah I feel that hard. One of my favorite things is when you get to work on multiple steps at once haha it feels so satisfying.
To me it's the lack of comunity feeling around the relick progression that is missing... Yea I do my thing but : it feel like a solo grind... and I allready see the non feeling of this relics in the futur when you will just have to farm poetics to get them...
Yeah Eureka was one of the most fun things I've ever done in the game because of the community aspect!
Do glamour work on weapon (exemple the manderville relic with the look of the shadowbringer sword) ?
You should be able to glam whatever you want onto them if you don't like how they look
@@Sonicrida Ok, thanks
I really wish there was more to do with the relics. The game needs more long-term content to work towards.
Could we make them worth that effort first? Look at a game like guild wars 2 the legendaries don't go out of use, and it takes almost equal effort.
My problem with the relic quest for this expansion is the fact that it's a huge tome dump. I'm already starved as it is with tomes as a crafter and constantly needing tome mats for food and pots. Being forced to only getting the relic through tomes is just making that problem worse
Well it’s either huge tome cost or heavy grinding like Bozja or Eureka. SE won’t give out relics weapon that free
currently got all 19 relics up to date, im fine with these current steps because their relaxing. i just hope the future steps aren't too annoying
That's a grand collection haha
I expect the last part of the weapon to be incredibly grindy. And it will be the fault of UA-cam influencers bitching about it being too easy.
After fully completing my ARR relic grind this is a breath of fresh air 🥲
Respects for that grind. Idk if I could ever do it haha
the fact that you had to run an equivalent of 100 dungeons for one relic for all steps burned me out I had to take a break entirely from relics after
I've done all the relics from all the expansions, plus armor, except for half the ARR ones which I'm working through now, and the tedium of the infamous books is truly mind-boggling. Anima was easy because you could pre-buy all the poetics items over time, and then just grind out the light farm steps for each pretty quickly. I passively completed the shadowbringers ones for the most part because I was going hard at the solo deep dungeons before endwalker, and also got a ton of mats while grinding to complete all the duels, and DR and DRS were really fun.
I've done all the relics from all the expansions, plus armor, except for half the ARR ones which I'm working through now, and the tedium of the infamous books is truly mind-boggling. Anima was easy because you could pre-buy all the poetics items over time, and then just grind out the light farm steps for each pretty quickly. I passively completed the shadowbringers ones for the most part because I was going hard at the solo deep dungeons before endwalker, and also got a ton of mats while grinding to complete all the duels, and DR and DRS were really fun.
I was perfectly happy with the step, just mildly disappointed it was the same step twice in a row. I really appreciated how I could work on doing all 12 Variant routes and it would gradually make progress towards my relics as well, but yes, I do hope the next step will be a bit more interesting even if it doesn't introduce any sort of new content
I don't get why a routine you can plan for is bad.
"Here is the next quest: it's exactly the same as the previous quest" is generally frowned upon in video games. Routines you can plan for are great in real life, or jobs!@@dlamont4471
At 2:00 what glamour outfit and how do you get it? Looks nice
Also what about the outfit at 4:50
Ala Mhigan Gown and the Fat Cat Attire! The gown is on the marketboard and craftable and the Fat Cat Hoodie is on the mogstation
Yo what is the OST at 1:06?! I’ve heard it before but can’t remember the name
It's the blitzball theme!
I am in a reallyyyyyy weird spot where I myself, do not enjoy the repeated tome dump steps. But it is not because I struggle to get them ontop of mats for crafting materials. I do hunts, a lot. Like 6800/10000 A and 3800/5000 S often in the past 3 years. I can cap like, TWICE a day depending on how free I am that day and if S Ranks are able to spawn. So having enough materials in a month without actively doing anything different, or able to get other fun extras while working on them. There is a balance that needs to be struck between having a specific goal, and not being forced to do one thing. Bozja near the end did that balance really well where some stuff WAS just Bozja based, but a lot of memories did not need you to get them just in Bozja areas outside of doing Castrum or DR the first time.
But there is loads of achievements, mounts, minions, and CONTENT made just surrounding the relic that has use outside of getting said relic for Eureka and Bozja. Especially the latter with a really good form of leveling up jobs. Not having an exploration zone this expansion just feels like there is nothing to actively do sadly.
What’s interesting to me was I restarted to play with the GF. I did some standard quests I would normally ignore to do MSQ and found a little quest chain I thoroughly enjoyed. A little story I didn’t know existed.
Have you seen the new tomestone gear compared to the manderville items?
I have! I'm definitely into some of the new weapons.
I just wish we had to do something specific. I was not a fan of some of the steps for Eureka or Bozja weapons that are extremely solo unfriendly, like timeworn relics from DR, and think they need an alternate grind method. That said, these relics do not feel special or earned at all, you literally do nothing for them, just do dailies and stuff you already do anyway so it's WAY too far the other way. It kills the whole point. My resistance weapons were a painful nightmare to get but that's why I love using them, you have no special attachment to a relic you just buy with tomestones. And the other issue is, a special grind doing something different is what helped get us through the content drought between patches, so you feel like there's nothing to do. There should have been a middle ground that still made you earn the relic without being so group or zone restrictive. It could have been as simple as tying it to the new deep dungeon, criterion and island sanctuary to earn quickest, while allowing people to run certain old content or dailies to earn them more slowly. As it is now, you literally just got the next relic step on patch day because you already have tomestones. I do not get how anyone likes just being handed a relic for nothing when the whole point is them being personal achievements.
Yeah I'm hoping if anything to see what the later steps look like. I'm sure that they'll take feedback and opinions on the Manderville Relic so far. They evolved well in some ways form Eureka to Bozja and I expect to see even better improvements in 7.0
The part i like isn't the relic itself but pot prices spiking because people using tomestone to make relic so less competition in selling pots, make more gil with the inflation.
Heh I feel this but also kinda on the other side since I've made some good gil selling tome mats XD
I'm a returning player after several years. You mentioned helping people get into raiding. I'm not necessarily interested in that but I am interested in blue. I'm currently 40ish and farming spells. I would love tips on how to meet up with other blue to do hunts or carnival for when I get there. I'm lost in how to find others to do that stuff with.
there's only 1-5% players actively engage with oncontent synced EXs and Savage and i think SE are trying to make an alternative to encourage more players go participate in that harder content also imo the further stages are going to be more of a grind those ppl that like the relic grinds
Yeah the later stages will be the real story depending on how they go about implementing them.
People do tend to forget about that ARR Relic grind. The Atma, the books... Sinking ungodly amounts of materia into the sphere scroll.
It was SO much that the developers allowed someone WITH a full Zenith weapon to completely skip the first part of the Heavensward relic quests by surrendering it for the starting components.
The relic weapons are MEANT to be a grind, though.
They are supposed to be the time equivalent of getting a static and defeating the current Savage raid tier for its weapon for people who cannot do the raiding or don't want to do the raiding.
Most people complain about the insane slog of getting through making them because they try to make ALL of them...
But in comparison, getting 1500 poetic tomestones to further the relic tier is kindof lackluster. It made it EASIER to do than to get a raid weapon... And that might need a bit of tweaking.
Nah, its fine like that, a lot of us had something called life outside a videogame.
@@oscarandreesAgreed, Sorry guys but I can't afford to spend all day sitting in my room all day to grind out relic like a loser.
So tomestone dump is much more preferable,you get those from doing daily roulette anyways.
I don't mind much the look of the weapons themselves(the RPR one looks great on both steps to me at least), it's really what you can do to acquire them that needs to be better imo.
What i'm talking abt isn't about making them more grindy or easily farmable, but to have more ways to get them than simply just one. IMO, you should have the choice to have a more involved grind that is somewhat faster(like Zodiac, Anima and Bozjan where you could be doing fates, running specific dungeons/trials/raids x amount of times, farming an field instance, hell even include hunts as another alternative), but will feel a bit more grindy, alongside the one we have right now with tomes, although more segmented so it's a longer (like needing overall a few more than 1 daily worth of tomes to get it done) but still easier grind, and one similar to the Final step of the Anima Relics where you can run higher-end content to get it the fastest(it could serve as an alternative to BIS raid weapons, but that's another can of worms about gearing in the game lol) like Savage or Extremes.
I would prefer this a lot more instead of just one of those options for a single step, you know? It at least would have an incentive for people to play the game their own way rather than being stuck to only one type of farm. It would even calm down a big portion of the playerbase since it covers more types of playstyles than with one single daily grind.
Really, I feel like it's better to do this instead of what happened with Eureka relics and now Manderville relics.
I rather like the MCH Magnificent Manderville weapon.
@@HenshinFanaticsame here! And I also love the PLD sword/board. After the awfulness of the ShB PLD sword -- shield was awesome, but omg, that sword (shudder) -- at least the Manderville PLD relics look damn cool.
If you look back at the forums, players complained about SHB relic weapon grind non stop and now they are saying they miss the grind can’t win 🤷♀️
That's your mistake assuming they are the same players. Different people have different opinions that are in fact different than yours. Go on and make blanket accusations to boost your own bruised ego, though.
@Providence Breaker As the people who wanted an easier time got what they wanted and quieted down, the guys who wanted grind content to be time-consuming and hard started complaining.
@@providencebreaker1558 I agree they might not be the same players, the conflict arises when you have players with very different play styles you’ll end up alienating one. Whatever choice FFXIV will make with relic weapons will always be contested.
Yeah that's why I like options. Bozja seemed like a good direction but hopefully they improve on it more in later relics if they do go back to that style.
Honestly I was kind of hoping that they would have implemented a special item to grind that would drop from the Hildibrand trials, the V/C Dungeons, or other select content. And hopefully when the next step drops in 6.45, we'll get a more varied step.
Yeah variant dungeon working with the relic would've been cool especially since it's just so approachable solo. Maybe the next variant in 6.4 will be included? Here's hoping anyway haha
I feel like a decent number of the people complaining about the relics this time around are only looking at it through a narrow perspective as well. Bozja and Eureka are neat zones, and cool in concept, and the people bitching about not having something similar to those this time around are likely the same people who were there when Stormblood and Shadowbringers were the newest expansions, and those zones were pretty populated. In Endwalker, Eureka is on life support at best, and Bozja is only populated more than Eureka because it's "the best" way of leveling jobs in that 70-90 range if you're trying to level a job fast. If there were more efficient methods, Bozja would also be on life support. But because the relics are tied to those zones, certain steps can be incredibly frustrating for players who joined in Endwalker (like my friends and I). For example, the Shadowbringers relics require an initial clear of Delubrum, and then 3 more clears per weapon (if you don't want to waste tons of time farming PotD that is) which finding enough people to do Delubrum is pretty hard today. Meaning the relics from those expansions with those zones are now much more frustrating and slow to complete than they used to be, purely because the content is no longer populated enough to sustain the zones in a healthy manner. And aside from the relics and some cosmetics, which the veterans from those expansions likely acquired while they were current content, there isn't a reason to go back to those zones at all, meaning they will never have a healthy enough population again.
As much as I like the idea of those zones, I'm glad we don't have a new one in Endwalker with relics tied to it (it would still be nice to have one *without* relics tied to it however, but I'm not bent out of shape over not getting one regardless) because while there would be a healthy population to complete the steps fairly easily at the moment, I wouldn't want new players to feel the frustration I do with Bozja and Eureka with a 3rd zone added on top of it. Having a grind associated with relics on its own isn't a bad thing, but in order to not make the grind frustrating for future players, it cannot be tied to things that will fall out of favor with a majority of players as time moves on. Meaning the only kind of grind that still works is something like the Anima Relic grind, where it's largely collecting a ton of tomes, and speed running some old content unsync'd. But at that point, it is just grind for the sake of having a grind, ensuring that you've simply wasted the proper amount of time before you can have your shiny new thing. In which case, why bother making it needlessly grindy? Which I imagine is the conclusion SE came to with the current relics. You can't give the relics unique grinds because it makes it needlessly harder if you weren't there when it was new, and there's no point in making it grindy for the sake of grind because that isn't respecting the player's time, so fuck it, 1500 tomes and you can have the weapon. Do your dailies and you get something cool looking for it.
The relics are never BiS until their final form anyways, and even then it isn't BiS for long, there are tons of other cosmetics with respectable achievements behind them in game, relics are not rare in the slightest, so being bothered by it being "too easy" is backwards to me. If you want a cosmetic you can flex, go do Savage raids, go do Ultimates, go do solo/flawless runs of PotD, HoH, or the new Eureka DD and get those titles, weapons, and mounts you can flex to everyone that says "look I did something difficult" rather than a relic that says "look I spent 56 hours in Bozja for this".
We all know the real flex in FF14 is not being homeless anyways, cosmetics be damned. I don't care about your relic weapon, I have a roof over my head and you don't, therefore take the L.
My ideal is it's both. There is an exploration zone with other rewards like mounts and hair styles, but the relic can be done in the zone and with tomes to let you skip grinds/speed up steps.
my issue is I have changed main jobs since i started this quest chain and now im stuck having to complete it for a job i don't play as much and am not leveling so i have no way of starting this quest with my new main job.
Do you mean the hildebrand storyline in general or just the relics? Most relics I think let you abandon and restart and this one should too.....
@@Sonicrida yea hildy quest is for my monk but I’ve since moved on from him now I switch between Sam and dnc
@@Sonicrida not to sound stupid but are there more than 1 relic quest other than manderville? I'm only at lvl 64
Its weird cause so little has actually changed. You can still fate farm for tomes, you can still do old content in roulettes for tomes. Hell you can maps and pvp your way to that 1500 tomes. The only thing that "changed" is that the left the farm to you vs forcing you into content you dont want to do (Like the ARR books).
I think there was sort of an effect where people didn't miss bozja until they didn't have a new one no Mandeville zone or anything
I feel like the reason people complain about the relic being too short is because there is practically no casual content in post EW, the trial series got integrated to the story, so there isn't a trial series side story, the Variant and Criterion dungeons have no purpose after you get everything, or cleared it once in the case of Savage criterion(Which they could have given a purpose too with the relic weapon, it doesn't have to be much, but still, I want an excuse to play that cool dungeon) (I dunno if deep dungeons count as casual content, since EO looks pretty wild in the difficulty scale.)
You have island santuary and relic are casual freindly
Yeah I would like there to be more of a reason to repeat Variant!
I must be in the minority then because I'm enjoying the Manderville relic steps so far. I don't need to stress how much I need to do stuff, just take it slow and easy. Also, I have previous relic weapons unlocked so that when I get CT or any other stuff that involves relics and get a drop it's like "Oh, right I'm doing this on the side as well"
Also, honestly, let's be real here, there is going to be a Manderville step at some point which will definitelly make people go "Okay, maybe collecting tomestones wasn't so bad" Current one kinda is a good motivator to do hunt trains and other stuff for achievements. Not all of us have the "I MUST GRIND OTHERWISE I'M BORED" mentality, also irl stuff takes up too much time.
I would say at this point pople are complaining for the sake of complaining.
Also, also (xD) if you're really that bored, here's a challenge (and a crazy one too): do the "500k points from every single gatherer/crafter job" firmament mount challenge or try getting the tripple triad card mount. You will definitelly say "never again"
Achievement hunting is definitely one approach haha. And yeah this is why I like when the relics give you options so there isn't just one way to complete it like bozja
You not in the minority ppl bitching doesnt mean most ppl hate current relics
My only problem is that you need to do the entire manderville quest line to unlock them. There is no reason not to just make you do the current expansion part of the quest line to unlock the relics and if you want to know the story from before EW quest line that you can do it after or before if you desire.
Being forced to do a quest line spanning through almost every previous expansion is just a miserable experience especially since the whole manderville quest line was supposed to be an optional thing. With relics becoming BiS gear by the end of the expansion it makes no sense locking it behind an optional meme quest line.
What if my complaint is having to do the Manderville stuff? Because I'm not really a fan.
Certainly a fair one
@@Sonicrida Its right up there with forcing me to do Crystal Tower for ShB lol
@@mestupkid211986 hahahaha I def didn't enjoy that part
Hard to say what they'll do with the relic weapons next update since they're removing the red tomestone
I don’t mind the fact that they’re not grindy I miss the community experience that you have with eureka and bozja. People in the shout chat asking to be rezzed in the shout chat. That’s the interesting part of SB and ShB relics.
Perfect world = options for social interaction + variety of ways to complete + less grindy so more can do them while not so "Easy" that it doesn't feel like an accomplishment haha
while Eureka and Bozja aren't perfect, they are very much memorable, especially the way it encouraged people to be more social. I remember my experience in bozja and eureka much more than just grinding tomes, and more importantly I met so many people in eureka and bozja.
that! I farmed eureka entirely from start to finish in like a week and half, was super fun, the NM music, the /shout about what happens in the field, help others get rez, team up with rando you see everyday and team up again, with the same objective. it was just memorable... nothing is memorable about getting tomes from roulette, you already do that so much everyday.. Same with bozja, I felt good when being there, like a different world???? with different goal, a different vibe, trying to survive the punishing fates (i'm talking to you red chocobo).. aww was so nice, wish i could go back there with a goal, but I dont :(
I find the Bozja grind to be entirely forgettable, actually, outside of the raid instances. Even then I only remember the first and last boss of Castrum LL in detail. Even then, I still think that XIV should shoot for these types of side activities over stuff like criterion dungeons, which have resigned themselves to PF and static groups really quickly. While Bozja isn't my cup of tea, I can still appreciate the artistry that went into it.
@@Avengedtenfold while being forgettable for some, it surely create better memories than "farming tomes in roulette" I have so much great memory of bozja/eureka, compared to nothing from tomes. Eureka/Bozja might not always be the cup of tea of everyone and it's perfectly fine, it might not be always easy, sometimes it's hard even painfully hard, but it was just a good addition to the game, relics are not required, so ppl should not complain about content that they decided to do by themselve, if you don't like it, don't do it, ppl who enjoy it will do it. No one can tell me that the ARR relic grind was fun compared to bozja lol, it was the most painful thing I did in the game, but i understand why it was like that because these weapons were a REWARD. right now the manderville relic doesnt feel like a REWARD at all, it's just completely given to everybody.
im not angry at you lol I agree with everything you said, i'm just venting a bit more :D
Honestly after Grinding for Amaro twice in main and Alt character. I started doing the Shb grind late a week ago and I don’t find it so long or hard in comparison. Btw I enjoy challenging content and grind because it makes the reward feel much more enjoyable. But can’t please everyone and im not always going to get it my way and im fine with it.
I haven't actually done Eureka yet but Bozja was one of my favorite parts of Shadowbringers. I thought I was alone in wishing there was an exploration zone like that in Endwalker. I think I'll find some groups for Eureka and go farm one of the weapons in there. Good vid, btw! Have a like and a sub!
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it. And yeah, there are exploration zone lovers out there for sure!
I wanted to see the conclusion to the story they were going for with bozja.
But then the contract with what's his name yoshi-p's hero expired so they made a patch that included more information in the bozjan notes that was literally a "where are they now?" to retcon any future stuff. I hated it.
I started Eureka a few weeks ago after finishing the Bozja storyline, and I personally am not enjoying it. It's a beautiful area, but you can tell that they applied feedback from it when making Bozja.
I understand why a lot of people hate the constantly grinding of Bozja, but i honestly enjoyed doing Bozja story patches with new dungeon coming out.
I wish they’d add Delebrum Reginae and others to the roulette. I loved running those, but they’d been frustratingly empty every time I want to run it.
Yeah it's SO HARD to run DR specifically without help of any of the community discords. That and it's really easy to walk in without knowing how much the bozja actions really help.
I certainly would love if they threw it into a roulette even with something like the arsenal and made the bonus really juicy haha
Man doing those were so fun when they got released. Everyone constantly wipe lmao
@@Sonicrida Unlock the secret dragon kick rotation, lol
This video perfectly summarizes my issues with some of the recent content coming out for the game. There's just not a whole lot of incentive to run things more than the first time when the rewards aren't great. I think the actual content itself is good, you just might not want to do it after a few runs. It's tough because many people hated the old relic grind because of it being slow and rng dependent, but now people are complaning for the opposite reasons. Maybe they just need to do some sort of middle ground for people to be happy, who knows?
Yeah, if anything, *more* content needs to be looped in like being able to uniquely do variant dungeons or even Eureka orthos without it just being tomestones. Heck, give island farmers a unique way to progress while still making a more involved and collaborative method so that there is a social component to it.
Please dont lump up the people for one thing as the same for the other thing. I am one of the players who loves to run Eureka Bozja PotD HoH PvP Raids Trials Maps and the grind. The complainers for actually playing content only care about glamour and e/rping social events in houses and afking. We have coexisted for a long time but relics shouldnt by any means be easy to get as it called RELIC for a reason. I dont mean to gatekeep but relics hold a title for a reason. Same as other top raid tiers in which afkers rpers need to pay or lie about paying to get their glam weapons because these weapon hold again the title of being rare and difficult to get.
EW relics just kinda tossed that name of being relics to the trash, might as well have been a craftable weapon
I want to start doing harder content again I've just become super anxious about doing it recently and I don't know why.
Why did you stop?
@@Sonicrida I got burnt out and never continued once I got back
I'm making my next video about hard content anxiety so I hope that it can help you! Always down to talk about it and to help people approach that stuff in my discord too!
@@Sonicrida I'll be sure to watch it when it comes out.
I was surprised the second stage of the EW relics were basically a copy of the last stage but I don't mind the relative ease considering this is just now the second stage. I would expect later stages to require more time/effort, maybe involve multiple options to fulfilling requirements, that way the final version feels like a fairly significant accomplishment.
I usually hear more complaints about the looks and color schemes of some relics, i.e. the Red Mage weapon is blue. While I think some are pretty neat for not just going with the expected color choices (like I enjoy that WAR's axe has blue effects, don't see that color often with that job and I kinda dig it), I am meh on some and not a fan of a few as well but will defer back to my previous defense that these are the second stage, relics in previous expansions had a couple of stages that broke from the norm as well. The only thing I would say though is that with EW being the new expansion and with SE hopefully having better tech to pull this off, I would love it if like the final version allowed players to dye the particle effects.
I would absolutely LOVE to be able to dye the final particle effect if they don't do something like the Anima weapons where you get to color options.
I might be a minority but I love the exploration zones and any chance to do them was great. I farmed every shadow bringer relics and unfortunately people quit Eureka before I could get all of that. I know there’s discords but I don’t have the time for that anymore.
I was honestly annoyed how War's axe had a white and blue scheme. I was expecting it to be similar to the first with a fiery glow. But eh... I just hope it won't be like Resistance relic where the mid-stage looks best.
Yeah this is one of the big things for me. A lot of the latest weapons have been really cool so hopefully these are amazing by the end.
There's like 40 quests to complete before you can get your relic, it's not like you are not doing anything to get there
I’d say agree with your statements however I wish there were a trade system for low drop rates ie an say your a raider how many extra tomes do you have that crowd up your inventory in an ex a weapon is 10 totems and savage 8 books say instead of grinding tomes we could grind each of the ew dungeons for say 3 totems or we could use old totems/ savage books and/or current ones if they’re truely going a HW relic direction this expansion the biggest thing mentioned multiple times was community engagement. And experiencing old raids/ trials wether synced or unsynced is great way to do that. Here’s some advice for those wanting to do old relics HW and SHB can be extremely trivialized once you clear it once. HW you can passively get all the mats via poetics over time then once and only painful part is the fate grind first step. After that it’s in sync 13 dungeons and lastly 19-21 Runs of A9S and 14 trials honestly if have all the it’s a 4hr grind max. For SHB just keep a weapon at each stage so the 6 quests stay open and do your dailies. I idle grinded both for a year just buy hw materials keeping my poetics from capping out and just doing stuff with friends got me most of the stuff for shb relics exception being fate grind at the start and timeworn artifacts. But a good recommendation leveling alts in bojza and potd and hoh while keeping all the quests open nets a significant amount of materials. (Note: my intention is to collect them all. This is not an amazing idea if someone only wants one to say three.) Great video over all and another reason is that everyone is playing many more classes than in past expansions. Example myself included in shb I was simply a dragoon and white mage. And now I play like almost all of them in casual content
Suddenly next weapon tier grind would be inside the Eureka deep dungeon and savage criterion dungeon. 😂
Imagine having to do an annoying that side questline that started in ARR and got almost every expansion updates and take forever to complete so you can do relics
Much like everyone else, I like the Manderville relic quest(the color design for the various weapons is questionable though)and I am fine with a grind. I did enjoy Bozja since the fights there and in Zandor were challenging and fun. The one thing I don't want is an RNG grind(timeworn relic)it doesn't add to the overall relic or quest it's just annoying, lazy padding that only frustrates the player. If they keep the RNG out and running over 50 alliance raids then I'm goood.
So, I've done a lot of Bozja and Eureka. As someone who has played a lot of other MMO's that are far grindier than 14, I've been able to enjoy going in there and just... turning my brain off and farming casually to get what I want.
I feel like the biggest issue SE has is they dont really know how to balance the relic grind for different playstyles. If you dont like Eureka, there's no alternative in Stormblood. But if you dont like running old content, there's no good alternatives for the other relics at certain steps.
I feel like Bozja was probably the closest they came to finding that balance, with options for a lot of the stages having multiple ways to complete. The biggest mistake with it IMO is the fact that certain stages required progress in Bozja anyway, so if you were someone who elected not to do it earlier because you didnt need to, suddenly you were forced to make up all the progress before you could continue. I also found that a lot of critical engagements in Bozja were just a bit too rough for a lot of players to learn how to do properly, so many of the fights could become very, very tedious if people didn't know what they were doing. It also was not helped by the fact that Bozja gave a ton of xp as well, so there were also just a ton of people not in there at all for the relic, and it made grinds past the early content even worse in my experience as a lot of people never bothered going to Delubrum or Zadnor.
As a newbie who just started the whole relic thing:
-ARR is a fucking hellish ball ache.
-Haven’t tried HW relics yet because I’ve just been buying the materials but its nice knowing I can bang out a weapon in 3 to 4 hours.
-Eureka is fine with the challenge log helping you through it (except Pagos, fuck Pagos).
Past that though, I haven’t gotten through Shadowbringers yet so I can’t comment on the last two.
It’s simple: they are basically free… like, there is nothing special you have to do to get them other than doing the Manderville quest line. 1500 tomes per step and there are only 4 steps.
Only ones I REALLY hated were the zodiac weapons.
I abandoned them the moment I got my first book; just no.
For the rest, I made 1 relic for what I considered my signature job for the expansion...
I’m ok with the early steps being super easy and streamline, as long as the later steps get more involved
Probably will be more tome items or some dungeon runs, they just do the old style as they said, it will be f ing boring without anything new added to get them, to begin with these weapons are worthless, because they made them like that, so you only do it for the skins. They really need to rework the entire gearing experience and do something with the Tomes, they are the worst shit ever put in this game and the weakly limits on everything.
@@UmbraWeiss ok
This is what I'm thinking too
i am nearly done 8th relics on my EU character and done my NA character finshed 2nd stage of the DRK a couple of days ago
That's some big progress!
It defeats the value of being something special. Ultimate weapons are precious because they are a staple of the collective effort; the necromancer title is fantastic because it is proof of something grand. Relic weapons (at least for me) were something like that, not great like those examples, but they required effort and time and filled a content spot for me. I got several Manderville relics and mats for 3 more in my bag; it's just not valuable. Still, I'm not saying this is good or bad; it's just not for me, which is perfectly normal as it is a great MMO, and from time to time, not being in the target audience is fine.
This is such a balanced perspective. I think if anything, it's nice to have a linear grind curve on the relics. Make it easier at the start but make it harder as time goes on so everybody can get a taste of the weapon while the dedicated players can progress all the way to the end.
My only complaint about the relics is the fact you need to complete the Manderville questline to unlock them. I cannot stand Hildibrand as a character and every time I look at him I wish him nothing but eternal damnation in the Void.
Haha this is fair! It's certainly not for everybody
I'll be honest- I've played since 2013 and I still find stuff to do. I can understand people being disappointed by the 2nd step but I also understand that others liking it. Myself- I'm slowly grinding older relics- so this is giving me more time to finish those out.
That's super cool to hear! The game offers so much. I was bored with crafting the first time I tried but fell in love with it later when I learned more about how to do it!
@Sonicrida Me- fishing- I'm starting to get into fishing and catching them all- now that is a test of patience and RNG
@@kisavalkyrie oh yeah that's on my radar 😅 I actually leveled my fisher through daily turn ins only haha and some ocean fishing
i dont get why you have to grind 2k hrs to get a cool thing when u can do it with less time and effort. Im VERY HAPPY with manderville farm. Do player want hard to get cool weapon? Go play ultimate, dont ruin the average player expearence forcing him to grind 2k hours cose not every one can play a videogame 8+ hrs a day
I miss Boz and Eureka and NEVER complained. It was fun to have friends do drinking game if someone died you drink a shot. Now me not playing Endwalker until now and i have no friends online to enjoy the struggle we loved so much
well for us there started with end walker came out. i tried to get the level 80 relic weapon is now impossible, because there is a event there you need like 75 people to complete and that is just possible any more. sad in que for over 48 hours and have many times tried party finder. not a single player join or response to is.. that content is outdated and imposible to do NEED A FIX now.
they made this weapons set for people that like xiv but are also finally going regularly back to work after The Rona (tm) and like, that's good?
I don't understand why complain about it? You have 4 whole sets for which you have to GRIND A LOT so just one set once for people that have a life outside of the videogame is good in my opinion.
If anything, a part of the complain is probably from people who have the old stuff completed
People are quick to forget the first Bozja weapon step was literally just 1000 poetics, the second step was farming bland normal enemies or fates in 5 year old zones, and the third step was exceptionally short by doing 6 synced level 60 dungeons.
Or that Anima weapons were 95% throwing poetics at Rowena until she lets you dip your weapon in a new pop rocks flavour.
The simplification of relic weapons has been here since Heavensward. After your first weapon, every single one thereafter is immensely easier to complete. I do not understand why people are surprised.
But this is needed, I think. See, as more classes have weapons to be done, the more effort it takes. If every weapon was an excessive grind, there would be too much. And the grind is no longer needed. FF14 has gotten lots more content over the years to run, including repeatable stuff. Expanded palace of the dead, heaven on high, eureka orthos, island sanctuary, gold saucer content, etc. Back in the days of ARR there simply was not much to do. This is a fact of how these games progress. So the relic grind was put in place as a massive grind to keep players engaged.
Such a grind is no longer needed. Not to that extent. The scope is broadening.
So to the people upset that the relic stuff is too simple right now, please consider the first steps of pretty much every relic weapon that came before. As each and every one boiled down to "farm fates or spend tomestones." Nothing has changed.
This is a really balanced perspective and you're right that we have more ways to spend our time now compared to before. I'm very curious to see how the later steps are handled.
I much prefer this system over the old ones. But some sort hybrid between this way and the new way would work well.
I don't think you're seeing people switching sides between Eureka/Bozja exploration vs Manderville collection. I think what you're seeing is a whole new set of people complaining that it is (or is on longer) what they want.
TBH, I far prefer just shelling out the Tomestones for the pieces atm, because the real quest to get the relics is via the fun Manderville story line XD
haha I can agree there!
@@Sonicrida Here's the other thing too. IIRC, Yoshi-P once stated that Manderville quests are actually pretty costly to make, due to how... I guess physics breaking the cutscenes are and they fiddle with the facial expressions far beyond the norm, maybe? XD
So in a way, this is a means of justifying said cost of the Manderville storyline.
@@SilverNightbane I can see it. The Hildebrand cutscene really stand out on a technical level compared to almost everything else in the game
well tbh if it was tomestone of poetics it would be better considering the ones they use is needed for gear and NO NO MORE EUREKA OR BOZJA, its a waste of time.
I hated doing eureka, if only its armor was shadowbringers armor, it would be so much easier 4 me, now after I finished grinding both eureka tank and reaper rekic armor, have to do the same for healer, and still have t get a samurai relic from shadowbringers, maybe even a dark night one as well
I say in the future Dawntrail and forward make 2 different relic sets
One for the tomb grind like Manderville than the other for the Bozja or Eureka like grind.
Anima weapons
78 Crystals from fates with drop chance
195 dungeons
156 trials
273 a9s
208000 poetics.
Shb relic,
25500 poetics
60 fates x 17 weapons = 1020 fates.
85x delubrum + 28x dalriada
Once astronomy gone, and turned into poetics,
Step 1 And Step 2 Manderville already needs 57000 poetics.
Now you need to fight where to spend your poetics on.
-Poetics gear for your other jobs lvl 50, 60, 70, 80, and soon 90.
-Anima relics + manderville relics + other relics here and there, Orchestrian rolls.
I'm fine with the ease of farming for EW relics. Meanwhile I can do delubrum here and there. those who farmed bozja 60 fates per weapon was easy when it was the current content. but now, the number of people farming became far smaller.
Bozja is suicide on most datacenters as it was made for lots and lots of people.
Frankly square needs to decide on a reward system for people to revisit old content. 90% of the players only do it for the shinnies. and 9.5% do it for the story. Both leave once finished.
I'm sad about the "no grind" as a passive casual player, only because the relic doesn't feel special or earned at all. That's what makes relics special, even compared to savage raid weapons. Especially after going through the ARR Zodiac Hell to get Ragnarok. But I guess I'm generally not as up in arms or vocal about this distaste as I might be, because there's still a pretty nasty (in a good way) grind with the DoH and DoL relics, which only have three sets. ARR, ShB, and EW. And trust me, both Expert Crafting and Expert Gathering are no joke, even when going after the Lv.80 Skysteel tools on Lv.90 BiS gear.
My respect to anybody who has a Zodiac weapon for sure. The Manderville grind def doesn't hit the same or feel as rewarding. And yeah, I'm happy about the crafter/gather relics! Those are a great time. And yeah....expert crafting is scary
This relic chain just feels like a victory lap for us. I bet Dawntrail will go back to the old ways.
It sounds like they just didn't have time for something bigger but they've already talked about designing the next exploration zone so I'm confident that they will in Dawntrail!
They said the same stuff about the previous weapons at the first couple steps. Look at the first few steps of the Bozja weapons.
Yeah I'm certainly interested in seeing if things change up later.
I'm fine with getting the relics easy by accumulating tomes but I would've also been fine if the steps were similar to past relics but instead of getting 20x 3 different items to just get like 5x 3 or 5x 2 items would've been enough. I've gotten a few relics from other expansions and while I'm sure players had a blast back then, as I am a new player it's almost impossible for me to do those relics as I am limited in the times I can connect and there are very few players doing Bozhja or Eureka content.
This is all to say that I think a satisfactory resolution lies in the middle and that the devs should revise old relic steps to make them easier or create new content for the areas to draw players back into them as they have made the relics impossible to obtiain solo (of course) but also tied them to those very specific areas.
Anima fills a really nice spot where you it's almost all poetics and easy to get passively.
For Bozja and Eureka, you can actually get a ton done solo. I'd recommend checking primal since the instances are full of people running stuff. Discords also help a lot
@@Sonicrida I will follow your advice then. I'm playing on a EU server on Ragnarok so, after logging in and sometimes finding out that it was me and 4 other guys in Bozja, I had legit started to lose all hope.
@@Dieci-9 ohhhhh yeah hmm I wonder if it might be worth checking out other Data Centers there then. I know there are a few discords but I don't know how EU focused they are! I have to imagine there's still a scene though. Another factor is the time as well since people will play more before bedtime and whatnot. I wonder if I should make a guide on Modern Eureka and Bozja grinding haha maybe that'd be helpful!
@@Sonicrida I wouldn't want you to do a guide just out of this interaction but if there are others in similar situations, it'd help us a lot.
@@Dieci-9 heh I can certainly imagine that a lot of others would benefit too!
no old content? my dude you have to be caught up to the current manderville quest line to get the damn things. that is multiple hours of content just to unlock them
I love Eureka and Bozja and they were some of the best content this game has ever made. The community and combined grind was the best. I was NOT one of the people complaining back then, and love them still... The people who complained then, and are happy about these weak relics today, are the worst imo...
Why want relics if they are just tome giveaways? it doesnt feel like an accomplishment, you dont work together on it, its just do roulettes and get your achievement reward... it feels watered down, and is pathetic people like this...
I honestly enjoyed the Shadowbringers relic grind, though that's due in part to the fact that i came over from Destiny which used to be grindy. Making it easy isn't too bad in my eyes but it also takes away the satisfaction of finishing the relic weapon. Its like if they were to give players the Vex Mythoclast upon completing Vault of Glass in Destiny (which i enjoyed grinding for, though getting a god roll Fatebringer was the greatest feeling ever).
I hated Eureka years ago, but once I began to more thoroughly understand it, I grew to enjoy it, finished the Red Mage relic, and even got the Demi-Ozma mount (which is apparently one of the rare mounts).
TLDR: Destiny veteran=more enjoyment with a grind for the satisfaction of completing the grind. Its like serotonin for us
ok thats all fine and dandy but where is the RELIC ARMOR
Maybe because it's because i'm not a hardcore player but I'm glad that I can get a Relic weapon now
UA-cam glitched and won't give me a proper time code, but as far as "people used to not like exploration zones until Mandeville" seems like subjective confirmation bias to me. At least in Primal theyre still active as all get out and I'd seen several people hope or wish Mandeville would be the same long before it came out
Oh for sure I'm in them all the time myself! There's still certainly a dedicated player base but it's worth noting in the case of Bozja that it definitely benefits from being an amazing way to level jobs from 71-90.
I just remember a ton of complaints but I'd be curious to see what the perception would be like if we could have a giant poll taken!
Meanwhile I'm here doing the Lv90 Relic Tools grind and I'm in too deep but man does my tools look good
Ahh I still need to get on that too! I wonder if I'm going to do them all this time around
Oh that’s EASY. There’s two (maybe even three for some people) factors:
1) there is no special grind involved in these relics. Just doing your dailies and weeklies will get you enough currency to get the necessary currency to buy the new weapons. Compare this to Shadowbringers and Stormblood where the were entire areas dedicated to the relics.
2) The designs of the glows are very uninspired. Most of them have a very similar design with the swirly red energy on a white weapon.
3) They are as good or even better than Savage weapons and only marginally worse than the next to impossible to get TOP weapons.
I don’t HATE them, as this has been the first time I’ve experienced doing endgame gearing at the tail end of an expac and I still have TONS of content I still haven’t touched. But for the guys who have been here for years this appears to be a very lacklustre experience.
Yep you sure nailed it! I like some of the glows but that's par for the course with any early stage relic honestly
My hope for the EW relics is that that the final stage weapons look better than the SHB relics. Cause as much as I love Bozja I gonna be honest, I did not like the complete relics at all except for GNB and WHM.
Alot of the SHB weapons looked amazing in their mid-stages and just for the final stages to be down graded (looking at you NIN and BRD) made me stop completely on getting more because the grind was no longer worth getting more ugly, blocky relics.
But so far I like the EW relics with the glowing effects and especially the current step ones I have so far, though I do hope the 6.55 step is something different than just the same 'get these tomes again'.
EW isnt done yet, and neither is the relic questline. For all we know the big traditional farming of crystals, fates, duties.... will still happen for its final stage.
Because some of them think grinding FATES for RNG drops followed by yet more grinding for light is what gives a relic its value. As someone who only farms relics for glam, I no longer believe anyone who grinded out all the ShB hot garbage relics has any idea what they're talking about. I view the Manderville weapons being both easier to obtain and far better looking as an apology from SE and I accept it for now.
I love the actual weapon & the glow effect (the PLD relic sword in ShB looked...well...ugly). I love the easier way to get it, though I also loved the Bozhan and Eureka zones. My big problem with EW's relic is that I cannot stand Hildebrand, period. Having to go back and do the entire questline before we were allowed to get the weapon...GAH. It only reinforced why I've actively avoided Hildebrand's crap. There's so much else they could've done to tie the relic weapon in -- like the whole Garlemald situation?? -- that bringing in Hildebrand felt like the devs just gave up and said "whatever".
Yeah I get the frustration. Honestly am really hoping that we get a Garlemald restoration even if it is crafter/gatherer focused like the firmament.
Everyone abruptly forgot how stuffy the leveling of old relics was? Mmmm... ok. For me, so far the best relic of all. Fu*k Eureka, fu*k Bozja, fu*k knocking out energy points.
Recency bias will certainly play a factor I'd say
I think my only issue is that they keep dropping things.. like, they had Eureka, then they dropped it and made something different for the next expansion, then they dropped Bozja and went to this.
The team needs to work on refining their method instead of jumping around because someone didn't like every single bit of something.
I would love Eureka style content to come back; but refine it, capitalize on the good things and refine the bad.
For those who are looking for something to grind, get the Monster Hunter crossover mount. That will satisfy the grind itch for a while.
Oh my I am still slowly working on this one and I love Monster Hunter
The problem's that in the past the relic weapon and their exploration zones was content for players who DO have time to put into the questline. By making it glorified tome gear this expansion, that class of players has virtually no time sink this expansion besides the PvP malmstones, and PvP isn't for everyone.
But I think we can all agree that nobody was looking forward to grind 150 hours of ARR content for a step because there's no exploration zone.
Yeah it really is glorified tome gear XD
This shift really changed the demographic of the weapons
I'm in the camp of hating the grind it took for a relic, something that was more work than it was honestly worth for a now cosmetic piece of gear. I ignored the relics because it was just overwhelming with all the other things I still have left to do in the game. The complaints have the same air of folks that talk about how easy people have it nowadays; the complaint that it doesn't take that much work forgets that the team has made clear their goal to allow players a chance to take a break instead of dedicating, as you said, a month on an item that will be useless in a patch or two aside from taking up a glamour prism.
Also, I like to giggle at Island Sanctuary completionists too, because it reminds me of how people stockpiled and rushed through all of Animal Crossing, which I migrated to XIV from, during the pandemic to the point where no patch could come fast enough. If they make a XIV version of Nookazon, I'll high-five a cactus lol.
I will add that I deeply enjoy Eureka and the community aspect but the relic grind has been a toil that makes me feel sympathy for anyone that has a relic weapon, not amazement.
I’m going to be honest. I much prefer grinding a few dungeons and raids to get a cool weapon than the nightmare of a grind that bozja and eureka are. Even ARR and Heavensward are mainly tome farms and dungeon runs which aren’t that bad
I don’t miss the 60/60/60 each materials Bozja did, but I did enjoy the dungeon and raids. It was fun doing new dungeons with large player count getting slaughtered
on the flip side, it's going to make catching up on relic glamor EZ'effing'PZ come Dawntrail when it becomes a Poetic dump which i no longer have.
Hahahaha yeah thisnia very true. Easiest poetic dump ever
Every time they start off a new relic quest the first couple steps are pretty easy, the suffering will begin soon.
do we hate it?
im definitely on the side that wants the process to be more grindy lol. Relic weapons were always the grindy part of the game. If you hate grinding, you dont get your rewards, and you can choose to stay in your comfort zone.
But then again, it's the first few stages, it's not certain that it will stay that way for the next stages.
And i can see relics is not the focus of this patch. We have sanctuary island, variant dungeons, and two ultimates this patch. An easy trade off
if anything, I'm more mad that they change the color palette moving from stage 1 to stage 2 lol. I was so mad that they made PLD sword and shield glow red, MNK gauntlets glow blue, and RPR scythe becomes white and blue lol.
I'm just glad the Manderville relics aren't aneurysm inducing like ARR and SB
Yeah I don't know if I could handle an ARR relic but at the same time at least, doing one in steps seems a lot more approachable than doing the whole list of steps at once!