Sieges and Siege-craft

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  • @egeerdem8272
    @egeerdem8272 5 років тому +841

    "The Lads in the Castle" would be a great title for a sitcom

    • @andrew12bravo21
      @andrew12bravo21 4 роки тому +11

      Luv it...or "the Children Chained in the Dungeon"

    • @craigmurphy1204
      @craigmurphy1204 4 роки тому +46

      This week, Gerald holds off a siege by the French, whilst Rupert encounters a messy problem in the latrine pits. What a kerfuffle.

    • @craigmurphy1204
      @craigmurphy1204 4 роки тому +24

      Pilot episode titled "Dost thou calleth me a lyre?" or something

    • @theonlybass8947
      @theonlybass8947 4 роки тому +11

      @@craigmurphy1204 come back next week to find out who stole Paul’s bodkin!

    • @mickey4125
      @mickey4125 3 роки тому +2

      @@craigmurphy1204 BOOM

  • @ThZuao
    @ThZuao 8 років тому +2010

    How to get rid of a castle:
    Beat it with a sword until it catches fire. Then it collapses.

    • @EyeOfEld
      @EyeOfEld 8 років тому +76

      But once you become imperialistic, it is just easier to use trebuchets and bombards.

    • @KorKhan89
      @KorKhan89 8 років тому +54

      +EyeOfEld Nah, nothing sets fire to a castle better than a cluster of good old fashioned siege rams, particularly if you're the Mongols.

    • @EyeOfEld
      @EyeOfEld 8 років тому +19

      Rams are pretty good in castle, but they are exposed to enemy infantry. I prefer to sit back at a distance and batter it down from relative
      safety.

    • @spartankongcountry6799
      @spartankongcountry6799 5 років тому +4

      @@EyeOfEld My petards would like to speak with you.

    • @AthenisOculi
      @AthenisOculi 4 роки тому +2

      I was about to like but it's on 666 so I won't break it

  • @euchale
    @euchale 8 років тому +3391

    Wait, are you telling me that Age of Empires lied to me and foot soldiers were not actually attacking walls with their swords?

    • @beaconrider
      @beaconrider 8 років тому +145

      Age of Empires has swords that can cut stone.

    • @frostboomba1462
      @frostboomba1462 8 років тому +322

      of course they didn't attack with their swords, they used their spears.

    • @maybeitsgone5081
      @maybeitsgone5081 8 років тому +140

      So they didn't just fire a crap lot of arrows at walls either :O

    • @SprayedToTheBone2
      @SprayedToTheBone2 8 років тому +56

      Maybe theres a lost piece of history and medieval nights made their longswords like katanas and AOE got it right.

    • @euchale
      @euchale 8 років тому +30

      iyke ewnaho Do you mean Spandaus using Katanas as their bayonet?

  • @danielbat9887
    @danielbat9887 8 років тому +2015

    God dammit jack, you had the chance to pick fire arrows!

    • @lindybeige
      @lindybeige  8 років тому +467

      Soon!

    • @hebl47
      @hebl47 8 років тому +250

      Do flaming thrown pommels instead!

    • @MrPulversson
      @MrPulversson 8 років тому +70

      +Hebl von Heblowitz or flaming spandaus!

    • @bashkillszombies
      @bashkillszombies 8 років тому +25

      Jack is going to a special level of hell where he will have fire arrows shot into his arse for eternity.

    • @bashkillszombies
      @bashkillszombies 8 років тому +14

      That's as silly as throwing a good spear at your enemy and calling it a pilum and using a short sword instead!

  • @stoutyyyy
    @stoutyyyy 8 років тому +3002

    A katana could easily cut through castle walls, and then you could mow down the men inside with a spandau.

    • @williamchurchill203
      @williamchurchill203 8 років тому +305

      A piece of Lindybeige just died

    • @elias549
      @elias549 8 років тому +87

      +William Churchill Why? Seems reasonable enough in my opinion.

    • @williamchurchill203
      @williamchurchill203 8 років тому +29

      I don't really know. I think he'd say something about japan being on the other side of the world and time periods but that stuff doesn't make sense to me

    • @willek1335
      @willek1335 8 років тому +47

      > ...with a spandau.
      Too soon.

    • @AvianSavara
      @AvianSavara 8 років тому +2

      Which piece, though? I'm rather curious.

  • @pepperspray7386
    @pepperspray7386 8 років тому +466

    Could listen to classic sieges all day.

    • @siffonzebra4981
      @siffonzebra4981 8 років тому +30

      I think i would even spend money for a audiobook by him on that topic. (as with multiple other topics :P)

    • @FridayBiology
      @FridayBiology 8 років тому

      Agreed though, maybe points about small and large regional sieges :3

    • @RollerMihke
      @RollerMihke 8 років тому

      I would gladly spend money for that.

    • @TurkishRepublicanX
      @TurkishRepublicanX 8 років тому +5

      siege of constantinople lol

  • @ColonyChap
    @ColonyChap 8 років тому +402

    Thanks Lloyd, now if I get thrown into the bowels of history and inexplicably put in command of a large army, I'll be ready for the task at hand.

    • @Divaad95
      @Divaad95 8 років тому +15

      or if anyone ever makes a competent medieval RTS/RPG

    • @ColonyChap
      @ColonyChap 8 років тому +18

      Now that's just illogical.

    • @klobiforpresident2254
      @klobiforpresident2254 7 років тому +4

      Divaad95
      That's easy.
      Just take Rome I and add Spandaus. Or make it the MG-34 for extra brownie points*.
      *Not exchangeable for brownies, no refunds.

    • @xTheRealKestrelx
      @xTheRealKestrelx 5 років тому +1

      Did you have a dream you were a "Time Commander" ?

    • @louiscyfer6944
      @louiscyfer6944 5 років тому

      not really. lindy is clueless about this stuff and he is just talking out of his ass. you might want to get your info from actual experts.

  • @fakjbf3129
    @fakjbf3129 8 років тому +315

    Siege of Tyre, that time Alexander the Great turned an island into a peninsula

    • @DetectiveMekova
      @DetectiveMekova 8 років тому +63

      YES! One of my favorite stories! He literally moved the Earth. Imagine the mythos and stories that must've spawned from that on the Persian side: "The Great Alexander conquered Tyre by commanding the Earth itself to form a bridge"

    • @Kinghassz
      @Kinghassz 5 років тому +6

      Im originally from a village right next to Tyre

    • @arte0021
      @arte0021 5 років тому +1

      How did he do it?

    • @moluccas3699
      @moluccas3699 5 років тому

      Yeah, how did he do it?

    • @saadalvi4320
      @saadalvi4320 4 роки тому +2

      A fellow Gondorian

  • @TN-xx4ih
    @TN-xx4ih 8 років тому +486

    The sad feeling you get when a Lindybeige video ends

    • @bashkillszombies
      @bashkillszombies 8 років тому +5

      I agree! Although this was a nice length for a change no more 3 minute bollocks! I could watch him for hours though! It's karmic - Stefan Molyneux and co release 3-4 2 hour videos a day, then Lloyd releases 30 minutes a week. :'(

    • @TN-xx4ih
      @TN-xx4ih 8 років тому

      Yh. Hes so brilliant! 😄👌

    • @sarahblack6118
      @sarahblack6118 6 років тому +3

      Don't remind me that it's inevitably coming.

    • @runertje550
      @runertje550 3 роки тому

      420th like, enjoy it.

    • @TN-xx4ih
      @TN-xx4ih 3 роки тому

      @@runertje550 thank you trooper

  • @Aegox
    @Aegox 8 років тому +657

    You should have a topic on medieval or ancient Naval warfare.

  • @alexanderleeart
    @alexanderleeart 8 років тому +57

    you made all of this sound so straightforward, now I want to go conquer a city

  • @stephencrompton4352
    @stephencrompton4352 8 років тому +786

    can you do a video on Monty pythons search for the holy grail?

    • @michaeldepaor6844
      @michaeldepaor6844 8 років тому +34

      Yes!!

    • @headrockbeats
      @headrockbeats 8 років тому +51

      I hope he does it in a helmet, because that makes him look exactly like Graham Chapman ^_^

    • @12345678900987659101
      @12345678900987659101 8 років тому +37

      Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

    • @stephencrompton4352
      @stephencrompton4352 8 років тому +4

      flyingkoopa45 haha

    • @jmalmsten
      @jmalmsten 8 років тому +12

      +flyingkoopa45 not at all... they could be carried.

  • @socialist-strong
    @socialist-strong 8 років тому +217

    I see people suggesting outrageous picks. Sure, these would have been hilarious, but by picking a subject that Lindy is enthralled by but hasn't talked about yet, you pave the way for further videos on this subject. Bravo!

  • @RolfHartmann
    @RolfHartmann 8 років тому +897

    Of course sieges never happened in Japan since they had katanas capable of cutting straight through stone walls ;-)

    • @Erectoralporicy
      @Erectoralporicy 5 років тому +14

      ***paper walls

    • @Milamberinx
      @Milamberinx 5 років тому +25

      The Japanese would simply have agreed that it would have been rude to overcome the walls.

    • @Leto_0
      @Leto_0 5 років тому +36

      The real battles were taking place deep in the forests between ninjas with superpowers

    • @Macto5
      @Macto5 5 років тому +5

      Or they just set the whole place on fire like Hirata Estate...

    • @yevheniishyshko7961
      @yevheniishyshko7961 4 роки тому +3

      Considering that very few of Japanese castles actually used stone as their primary ingridient, okay.

  • @akumabito2008
    @akumabito2008 8 років тому +182

    Dumb question perhaps, but what exactly was the point of a castle as a defensive structure? In pop culture, when an attacking army wants to take an area - they go straight for the castle. Conquer the castle, conquer the surrounding land. Now if the defenders are stuck inside a castle, would it not make more sense to leave behind a small army just to make sure they remain contained, and then ignore the castle completely and just take the land?

    • @miffification
      @miffification 8 років тому +86

      not dumb at all. always thought about it. perhaps its just a pain in the neck to keep an army there. and perhaps its better to take a castle rather than construct one. keep in mind that reinforcements can come and attack the siegers if they take too long. and then they will stand no chance.

    • @Smroadgi1
      @Smroadgi1 8 років тому +1

      .

    • @pincopallino6765
      @pincopallino6765 8 років тому +83

      And that's excatly what they did! Why should you spend time attacking a castle if you can easily pillage the sorrounding villages? Castle weren't usually sieged because: 1) most of the times they were strategically useless 2) hard to take if your army isn't that big 3) their garrison was too small to be a threat even if they sortie out 4) most of the things that you need (provisions, materials, animals ...) aren't in the castle.... they're in the sorrounding and unprotecded land!

    • @lasse5294
      @lasse5294 8 років тому +84

      That is on of the problems with a Castle. Sun Zu wrote in the Art of War that in order to gain land you just ignore the castles and go around them. If the army in the castle want to defend their country they have to come out.

    • @pincopallino6765
      @pincopallino6765 8 років тому +82

      So the role of the castle was to save the lifes of the people inside of it (usually only the lord and his soldiers) and it worked well because an enemy army usually doesn't want to waste time and would ignore you focusing on the land

  • @kster809
    @kster809 8 років тому +53

    I'm enjoying this trend of giving random advice at the end of your videos, Lloyd!

  • @morqwal
    @morqwal 8 років тому +30

    Thank you so much, Lindybeige. No one talks about sieges. Everyone talks about battles. If you and other UA-cam aficionados talked about sieges, we viewers interested in writing, drawing, and representing the ancient and middle ages could do a better job. :)

  • @christiannipales9937
    @christiannipales9937 8 років тому +8

    what stands out most is your passion for all of what you talk about! that's what I keep coming back for! keep it coming!

  • @jollygrapefruit786
    @jollygrapefruit786 3 роки тому +9

    Now im imagining a hilarious sitcom about two groups of people, one group building the ramp and the other building the wall, having a casual chat about it with each other while doing so.

  • @owenmckee4053
    @owenmckee4053 8 років тому +347

    Instead of a ramp, why didn't the attackers just build a spandau?

    • @highestqualitypigiron
      @highestqualitypigiron 8 років тому +22

      because the superior amazing craftsmanship is lost on them

    • @garedtuttle3649
      @garedtuttle3649 8 років тому +27

      sounds like the spandau is a meme for lloyd, like pommels for skallagrim xD

    • @howdoilogin
      @howdoilogin 8 років тому +2

      Not enough katanas to make one.

    • @Ankobi1
      @Ankobi1 8 років тому +7

      Is this going to become the equivalent of Pommel Throwing for Skallagrim?

    • @stefanb6539
      @stefanb6539 8 років тому

      They also could follow lindys example and just call everyone who disagrees with them fanboys. That would sure help a lot.

  • @isaweesaw
    @isaweesaw 8 років тому +220

    Spandau jokes on Lindybeige are like pommel jokes on Skallagrim

    • @MadBrainBox
      @MadBrainBox 8 років тому +6

      Yes.I wish people would be a little more creative with these things.

    • @BoarhideGaming
      @BoarhideGaming 8 років тому +9

      Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand it's become a meme. Great.

    • @piwiator
      @piwiator 8 років тому +23

      Just remove the barrel from your Spandau and throw it at your enemy to end him rightly

    • @minihjalte
      @minihjalte 8 років тому

      Ah but that would be easier with a bren, as he stated in his video on why the british gun was superior.

    • @BoarhideGaming
      @BoarhideGaming 8 років тому

      minihjalte Don't call me spandau fanboy, but that was just one of the many things Lindy got wrong yet preferred to call critics "fanboys".
      The MG-42 in fact had an extremely easy and quick way to change barrels, without ever touching the hot barrel. So no need for gloves, even

  • @davidredway5459
    @davidredway5459 8 років тому +36

    3,584 Spartans to change an oil lamp? Don't be ridiculous, Spartans will fight in the shade!

  • @Hobbyrepubliken
    @Hobbyrepubliken 8 років тому +318

    MOAR SIEGE TALK! (please)

  • @lomax343
    @lomax343 8 років тому +17

    I'm glad you emphasise the smallness of castle garrisons in the mediaeval period. As an example of this, there is a surviving record of the manpower strength of Criccieth Castle in Wales, circa 1285: the Constable had thirty men at his disposal - ten crossbowmen, an armourer, a carpenter, a mason, a smith, a chaplain and fifteen others. This appears to have been typical.

    • @FaenWszystkoZajete
      @FaenWszystkoZajete 8 років тому

      I'm not an expert but I think so. We have to remember that making chain or other armor is not so easy.

    • @arytisaari
      @arytisaari 8 років тому

      +Joshua normal smiths didn't make armour and weapons that was armourers job

    • @moukidelmar
      @moukidelmar 8 років тому +1

      +Joshua the armorer not only made the armor but also made sure it fight right and was sometimes the garrisons quartermaster as well, dispensing armor and gear as needed. He would also make repairs, if the damage was severe enough, though generally, men were responsible for their own kit.
      Smiths were metal workers and oversaw the construction of caltrops, chains, iron banding, horse shoes and showing of horses and so on. It was their job to manufacture and repair anything made of metal. During the medieval period this was a fairly cast field, so there were specialist smiths to make armor, weapons, guns and so on.
      Basically, an armorer might be an armor smith, but they were not a blacksmith

    • @lomax343
      @lomax343 8 років тому

      The above answers are broadly correct, though it is likely that the duties of such a small garrison were divided up according to what was practical and convenient, rather than by job title. It is also likely that one of the armourer's jobs was to function as a mediaeval fore-runner to a drill sergeant.

  • @notimportant4268
    @notimportant4268 8 років тому +96

    Some quick math...
    assume:
    wall is 100 foot long by 70 ft wide.
    Ramp is at a 30 degree angle, difficult to climb, but sufficient if you're a determined soldier with lots of other soldiers and a commanding officer behind you.
    The ramp's volume would be 424,000-ish cubic feet.
    10k dudes each carrying 12 baskets of earth (one at a time..) is 120k baskets...
    how big is a basket? I don't know... but, 1 cubic foot of earth can weigh 70 lbs in a dry arid climate to 110 lbs if it rains a lot and there's lots of stones in it (english countryside?)... That's not too difficult for a soldier to carry... 12 of these in a 12 hour day=1 an hour? sure, no problem! Finish early, and there's the local peasantry to aggressively "netflix and chill" with...
    424,000 cubic feet needed/120,000 cubic feet moved a day, is about 3.5 days till completion...
    make the ramp wider (because assume a dude with a shield and spear needs a 3 foot wide area in order to stagger up an incline... at 100 feet, you get 30ish dudes to a rank... wider ramp=longer ranks = more men fighting at once...)
    make the angle shallower, therefore longer to maintain a tighter, more impressive marching formation...
    and maybe the men don't want to carry quite so heavy baskets, so they don't fill them quite so full of dirt, or they "spill" some dirt carrying it over to dump it...
    add MORE dirt because a perfect wedge of dirt will collapse to the sides, and because walking all over the dirt during construction is going to compact it... and english rain might wash some away (that would be...exciting... to march on the next day?)
    you can probably see that it might take a week-ish to finish...
    unless they finish their load for the day, and then, the NEXT 10k dudes rotate onto dirt duty... maintain a continuous rotation and you've got yourself a battle-ready dirt ramp in a few days.
    Lloyd's estimates check out!

    • @zedex1226
      @zedex1226 7 років тому +11

      The more time you spend building your ramp the hungrier, sicklier, and weaker the opponents you have to fight when you go over the top. Might as well build a big plush ramp in that case.

    • @phinhager6509
      @phinhager6509 6 років тому +3

      They don't, because such a narrow earthen ramp won't be stable.

    • @Barbarous_Wretch
      @Barbarous_Wretch 5 років тому +5

      Carrying baskets is a little inefficient. Lots of ropes, wheels and a railing system.

    • @Luculencia
      @Luculencia 5 років тому +2

      @@Barbarous_Wretch also don't forget they had horses and mules to pull carts full of earth.

    • @karthanok6859
      @karthanok6859 4 роки тому +1

      yesss MATHS!

  • @adamlee2550
    @adamlee2550 5 років тому +2

    That signing off had me laughing so hard, love your channel and I appreciate everything you do to illuminate the past!

  • @Blue.Diesel
    @Blue.Diesel 8 років тому +25

    This is perfect, i really want to see more about Sieges!

  • @Rasgonras
    @Rasgonras 8 років тому +12

    Wow, so much lindybeige. I love it!

  • @phantomjoker5
    @phantomjoker5 8 років тому +52

    I love videos on sieges

  • @cpob2013
    @cpob2013 8 років тому +412

    well, off to go play total war

    • @the_rover1
      @the_rover1 8 років тому +3

      Rome, medieval, japan or napoleon?

    • @MrAwesomemonster
      @MrAwesomemonster 8 років тому +5

      Warhammer

    • @cpob2013
      @cpob2013 8 років тому +25

      ZiSt1989 rome II actually

    • @TheAmbientWarrior
      @TheAmbientWarrior 8 років тому +95

      Mount & Blade for me. Agger? No, everybody run up the same ladder! That's clearly the best strategy to take this massively fortified castle.

    • @caelodevorago608
      @caelodevorago608 8 років тому +47

      Everyone! Stay down at the bottom of the ladder, shooting uselessly at the defenders while our leader runs up... Alone... With a spear

  • @necronsplayer
    @necronsplayer 8 років тому +46

    Plataean siege defense: Just troll 'em the whole time.

  • @7000_Skeletons
    @7000_Skeletons 8 років тому +11

    Noooo Jack what have you done!? That was our only chance to see the video on fire arrows and you blew it!

  • @joshuastarkloff9602
    @joshuastarkloff9602 8 років тому +73

    Could you do a video on sieges during the age of gunpowder?

    • @seanmadson8524
      @seanmadson8524 8 років тому +7

      Indeed, I imagine gunpowder changed the way sieges were performed even before the average soldier was armed with a gun, it would be interesting to hear about.
      In addition to that, it might also be interesting to hear about some unique siege engines that didn't see long or widespread use. Something along the lines of a crazy invention that didn't catch on, I assume there were just as many bizarre siege engines as there were bizarre personal weapons.

    • @joshuastarkloff9602
      @joshuastarkloff9602 8 років тому +2

      Sean Madson That could also work.

    • @spleen5527
      @spleen5527 8 років тому +4

      Cannons forced Armies to be bigger. No longer could you hold out in your castle/fortress. You had to meet the enemy on the field.

    • @seanmadson8524
      @seanmadson8524 8 років тому +3

      King Steve
      While I understand and agree that the invention of cannons greatly reduced the safety of the old styles of castles/fortresses, there still were fortresses and bunkers of sorts that people used as cover, and buildings serving such a purpose still exist today.
      It might be interesting to see the trial-and-error evolution of the castle/fort into what in modern times would most likely be a bomb shelter, or at least it might be interesting to me.

    • @jonathan-hz4cc
      @jonathan-hz4cc 8 років тому +3

      +King Steve
      Actually no, after cannons became common to use in sieges, forts were built differently, look up 'trace italienne'. It became harder for cannons to destroy the walls and forts themselves were armed with cannons.

  • @jordanjohnston1954
    @jordanjohnston1954 8 років тому

    The lack of editing in your videos is refreshing because that makes your videos more like improv and the knowledge you have on hand (and maybe a script). It works really well for you and your videos. I'm glad I found this channel.

  • @Kelberwitzi
    @Kelberwitzi 8 років тому +14

    Would love a Lindybeige podcast.

  • @6StacksOnFeastEUW
    @6StacksOnFeastEUW 8 років тому +52

    Jack you should have picked topic Spandau vs Katana

    • @Aegox
      @Aegox 8 років тому

      Goddamn it.

  • @WoWroguefan
    @WoWroguefan 8 років тому +57

    So what about the common depiction of a siege tower being rolled up to the wall, a drawbridge lowered and men stormed the wall? How common was this?

    • @lindybeige
      @lindybeige  8 років тому +26

      If the tower were on an agger, then it wouldn't have to be very tall, and could compensate for any heightening of the wall.

    • @WoWroguefan
      @WoWroguefan 8 років тому +6

      And how many siege towers were used without an agger, built as high as the wall?

  • @oceandark3044
    @oceandark3044 8 років тому +2

    This is what I love about history. All the epic sword clashes, arrows, ladders, et al, gets shown not just in films, but in songs dating back to the period. It seems so glorious. Then, you get to the history and what Lindy found to be most important about sieges was a competitive building exercise between a wall and an earthen ramp.
    The history of sieges is competitive infrastructure improvement! When you see construction along the highway, just thing... these men used to be warriors....

    • @oceandark3044
      @oceandark3044 8 років тому

      ***** Reign it back, man, I wasn't saying entertainment would be better if it was historically accurate. In fact, I said that even in the time it was current, entertainment didn't highlight historically accurate siege warfare.
      In fact, I think it's ironically hilarious how benign siege warfare must have been. "Bring your dirt, dump it on the hill, crack open a beer."
      Imagine the guy joining the army for fame, glory, and to see the world, and he ends up hauling dirt to a hill. I'm sure the "Thrilling, mate." comment is exactly what they were thinking.

  • @thetuna8099
    @thetuna8099 8 років тому +4

    I started watching this and just couldnt turn it off.. well done sir!

  • @Serjo777
    @Serjo777 8 років тому +5

    Lindy we need more siege videos! Much, much more! This was incredibly interesting to listen to. It would also be awesome if they were much longer ^^

  • @s.rolphsen174
    @s.rolphsen174 8 років тому +5

    I would love a series on this sort of topic. A weekly video on ancient warfare, or something similar, would be nice.

  • @theflyingfokker5249
    @theflyingfokker5249 4 роки тому +1

    Its genuinely fascinating how much effort goes into beseriging a city, it's hard to imagine tens of thousands of people in one place doing such a thing as building the equipment, let alone the incredible amount of time it all takes.

  • @ManDuderGuy
    @ManDuderGuy 8 років тому +5

    I love the little bits of practical advice at the end ;)

  • @KimCarmenWalsh
    @KimCarmenWalsh 5 років тому +1

    How have I not found your channel before? Perhaps it's because I'm not much interested in siege-crafty stuff, but somehow watching you talk, I am transfixed.......

  • @francisbarnett
    @francisbarnett 8 років тому +20

    Good effort on all the plentiful recent uploads.

    • @vitoc8454
      @vitoc8454 8 років тому +4

      And the channel is now undergoing "Spandau-Gate" or "BrenGate"
      I think we've declared his version of "throw pommel and end him rightly"

    • @JariB.
      @JariB. 8 років тому

      +Vito C Unscrew the pommel first willyou? Thén you can go ahead and end them rightly.

    • @JariB.
      @JariB. 8 років тому

      Hammel Gammel Shhhh, don't tell them that... ;P

    • @vitoc8454
      @vitoc8454 8 років тому

      Hammel Gammel A World War was nearly won due to the brutally effective strategies of Field Marshal Erwin Pommel

  • @FunpocalypseMetal
    @FunpocalypseMetal 8 років тому +8

    OMG! This guy is uploading daily now! It's great!

    • @lindybeige
      @lindybeige  8 років тому +3

      This week I'm doing four videos, to make up for the two weeks recently that had only one.

    • @ChemoshKamos
      @ChemoshKamos 8 років тому

      do a video on the siege of platea, please. it sounds interesting.

  • @edi9892
    @edi9892 8 років тому +7

    Many overlook the problem of logistics in Sieges: Imagine that you besiege a city in the middle of the desert with 10 000 men that need food and water for maybe 1 year and your supply lines are getting ambushed all the time...
    Thats why many tried to assault castles immediatly. Doing this they either made it in before the defense is ready, or they lose a lot of mouths to feed and possibly get a better picture of the weak-spots of the fortifications. A famous example would be Carcassonne, where they sent their mercenaries first so that they wouldn't need to pay them later.

  • @creepychris420
    @creepychris420 5 років тому +1

    hahahaha the seige huts - quote 'everyone would go hup hurrrrr hup chup and the whole thing would move along' ahahahahahah nice sound effects man

  • @Lionbug
    @Lionbug 8 років тому +39

    We here in Würzburg tell the tale of 30 knights holding Castle marienberg against 30.000 smallfolk

    • @keithlarsen7557
      @keithlarsen7557 8 років тому +4

      30,000 smallfolk? What's a smallfolk?

    • @AZ25231
      @AZ25231 8 років тому +9

      +Keith Larsen peasants

    • @Tairneanach
      @Tairneanach 8 років тому +49

      Hobbits. There were plenty in medieval Germany.

    • @khorps4756
      @khorps4756 8 років тому +1

      well yeah but so were there dwarves

    • @Lionbug
      @Lionbug 8 років тому +2

      I can´t help but feel like I´m being ridiculed for my english ;-;

  • @blackpancake5612
    @blackpancake5612 5 років тому

    11:50 I absolutely love these vocal effects and gestures. It makes the video come alive!

  • @zeroqp
    @zeroqp 8 років тому +9

    I looked up the story about the defense led by Lady Mary Bankes, and according to Wikipedia, her force did not hold on to the castle. Up to the point of the quote, it pretty much agreed with what you said:
    "In 1646 (the siege began in 1643), one of her officers, Colonel Pitman, betrayed her by leading a party of Parliamentarians into the castle via a sally gate. The Parliamentarians under the command of a Colonel Bingham reversed their jackets and were mistaken for Royalists. As a result she was forced to surrender the castle. However, because she showed such courage she was allowed to keep the keys of the castle, which are now held at Kingston Lacy near Wimborne Minster, Dorset. The castle was slighted the same year it was captured by the orders of the House of Commons."

    • @alexmetherell2277
      @alexmetherell2277 8 років тому +2

      Slighted?

    • @zeroqp
      @zeroqp 8 років тому +3

      Alex Metherell It means to raze or destroy a fort.

    • @chrisnorton4382
      @chrisnorton4382 5 років тому

      Slighted means partially destroy a castle, either a wall or a tower, so it is no longer viable defensibly, not necessarily destroying the whole building. Parts could still be left inhabitable.

  • @Abayas.
    @Abayas. 5 років тому

    I, as many before me, have always been fascinated by medieval warfare, though my interest has only been 'in passing' until a short while ago. I just wanted to say that your videos have more or less opened up a whole new avenue for me, and I appreciate it. You give us so much information in passing that can be relatively difficult to learn elsewhere- not always because it is obscure, but rather that the collective 'we' had no idea that that it was even a thing or an option. It is rather hard to search for something you don't know existed.
    (I have become interested in writing a book and have had the most difficult time thinking up reasonably realistic wartime scenarios, but just watching your videos is flooding me with ideas.)

  • @Djlawson1000
    @Djlawson1000 8 років тому +32

    Hey Lindy, Ive always noticed that medieval forces were never the size of ancient armies, but m question is why? Why did the raw size of armies get so much smaller than what they used to be?

    • @erebus7306
      @erebus7306 6 років тому +25

      Well the concept of empires faded after the Roman Empire for a long time. The Holy Roman Empire was more of a feudal system and thus the volunteering/conscription of large amounts of soldiers was now obsolete. Battles were fought with much smaller levies now from dukes. An important thing to note is that the idea of a standing army also was not present for a majority of feudal europe. Without a trained and experienced force you had a variety of poor to decent fighters as your main army, so large and long wars was nearly impossible to conduct. This use of feudal levies would continue for hundreds of years as battles did not need to be fought by so many men to win a war decisively.

    • @TomTomTomTom538
      @TomTomTomTom538 6 років тому +1

      Zoltan Gyongyossy great post, I was also going to comment saying the feudal system put a stop to large armies

    • @CraftQueenJr
      @CraftQueenJr 6 років тому

      Djlawson1000 aa

    • @scottdodge6979
      @scottdodge6979 4 роки тому +1

      When Rome fell the whole of Europe forgot how to do a ton of things. One of these things was quite possibly the art of drilling large armies. Getting tens of thousands of men to March and fight in unison is incredibly difficult. They're were some trained soldiers but they were generally mercenaries or a noble. Most fights were relatively small and generally took place in one spot.

  • @Farseer1995
    @Farseer1995 8 років тому

    I do love a new video from Lindybeige, especially when it's about seiges. Made my day.

  • @Scoob505
    @Scoob505 8 років тому +39

    I love you Lindy. Can you do something on Irish Gallowglasses and Kerns next? Or the Fianna? Or something on the ancient Gaelic Irish warrior class.

  • @jeffsmusics
    @jeffsmusics 8 років тому

    This was great, the way you present information is truly top notch.

  • @tiaandeswardt7741
    @tiaandeswardt7741 8 років тому +464

    MG 42 could've won a siege singlehandedly.

    • @Smelly192
      @Smelly192 8 років тому +165

      An African MG42 or a European one? And what if the attackers had katanas?

    • @Aegox
      @Aegox 8 років тому

      ...

    • @zuto96
      @zuto96 8 років тому +22

      maybe if u had enough ammo, but they would probably retreat anyway in fear of the MG-42's horrifying sound

    • @Altrantis
      @Altrantis 8 років тому +34

      While this is meant as a silly thing, yes, it actually could have, actually.

    • @PrivateSlacker
      @PrivateSlacker 8 років тому +36

      Have you ever actually used a spandau to break a medieval siege from men with stabby spears? Then you are not a sufficient expert to know.

  • @oyblech8671
    @oyblech8671 5 років тому

    I'm going through the channel watching videos I failed to watch in the past.
    this was informative, entertaining, just fucking impressive (I see what you do in every video, Lloyd, and I love my only youtuber who doesn't jumpcut!), topped off with great advise. this is why I came and never left!

  • @geordiewalker2102
    @geordiewalker2102 8 років тому +4

    11:30 incendiary devices eh? and what might they be? not fire arrows would they...

    • @gregmiller9710
      @gregmiller9710 8 років тому

      ...it could be fireballs from from a launcher...

    • @brucelee3388
      @brucelee3388 8 років тому

      You can heat the iron end of a bolt to red hot with a suitable fire (charcoal and bellows) before the wooden shaft begins to smoke. Shoot that into the enemy - if you hit someone it is rather unpleasant as some bloke runs around with smoke coming out of his body until he falls down, or you may hit a structure which will keep burning for some time regardless of water being poured on as the wood insulates the hot iron and keeps on smoldering.

    • @geordiewalker2102
      @geordiewalker2102 8 років тому

      Bruce Lee ah but he's talking about the Hellenistic period, and I'd be willing to bet that the arrow heads would have been made of bronze, which has a lower melting point than, low enough to make heating it fairly useless, though that is conjecture and I may be wrong.

  • @alcin53
    @alcin53 8 років тому +39

    Is the Spandau or the Bren gun most effective during a seige? (Sorry Lindybeige... I had too..)

    • @LordDarthHarry
      @LordDarthHarry 8 років тому +7

      Spandau more effective when defendign the wall bren when assaulting.......obviously!

    • @CraigHarrisMusic
      @CraigHarrisMusic 8 років тому +1

      During a siege I'd use a Spandau as a suppressor, but I'd also use a Bren for single target/multi target effectiveness

    • @bambam144
      @bambam144 8 років тому

      i would take the mg42.

    • @Rajayali
      @Rajayali 8 років тому

      Ah, so that is the reason why we are having such difficulties finding life there.

    • @ssj3gohan456
      @ssj3gohan456 8 років тому +2

      In ancient days, Spandaus used to shoot katana bullets.

  • @Lidrien
    @Lidrien 8 років тому +5

    I loved this video and I would like to request a part 2.

  • @UnixTehPwn
    @UnixTehPwn 8 років тому

    YES! A new Lindybeige video! Love it, looking forward for more siege talk!

  • @ImEvan
    @ImEvan 8 років тому +12

    Hey Lloyd, is there any chance you could do a video on the battle of Thermopylae? you know, the one that's famous for the 300 spartans? It's probably my favorite story of all time and yet the details I've found about it are kinda all over the place. Deadliest Warrior seems to have skewed some opinions about the spartans as a whole and especially the 300.

    • @lindybeige
      @lindybeige  8 років тому +6

      No immediate plans, but one day, I don't see why not. It could be combined with a review of 300.

    • @jiri4076
      @jiri4076 8 років тому +1

      I would really like to watch Lloyd talking about the true story of that battle, good topic

    • @jiri4076
      @jiri4076 8 років тому +1

      +Catch_Me_If_You_Can Cuz people don't know history

    • @arbhall7572
      @arbhall7572 8 років тому

      were they really?

    • @SonofSethoitae
      @SonofSethoitae 7 років тому +1

      +Priviledgy Shitlord (Rustler of Jimmies) I don't remember the Spartans doing much conquering. They were content to keep to their creepy militarized dystopia and oppress their slaves, not venturing beyond the Pelopenese

  • @petere7197
    @petere7197 7 років тому

    Very good content, and incredibly well presented for a 14 minute, uncut, monologue without AFAIK prompts. You could talk the hind legs off a donkey. God Bless You, Squire!

  • @breadman2983
    @breadman2983 5 років тому +17

    "people dropping rocks on us and this is just awful"
    Mordhau in a nutshell

  • @Szusty.
    @Szusty. 8 років тому

    The puzzle at the end of video made me laugh so hard I almost fell of my chair! I wrote a paper on the role of Helots in ancient Sparta when I was studying history and it brought all the memories back. Thank you, kind Sir!

  • @TheSecondVersion
    @TheSecondVersion 4 роки тому +6

    "One man on a wall is worth 10 beneath it." - Tywin Lannister

  • @dreadrath
    @dreadrath 8 років тому +2

    R.I.P LINDYBEIGE : Ended Rightly before his time.
    But that's okay, he knew the risks of facing the pommel and cloned himself before going. This channel will live on in his memory and in our hearts.

  • @conorbuckman340
    @conorbuckman340 8 років тому +25

    See what would be the greatest siege weapon would simply be a large force of men throwing their pommels over the walls the end their enemies rightly, of course the defenders would return fire with a spandau in which case the attackers would have to take cover until the enemy used up all their ammunition as they had kicked out most of the civilians that had the ammunition attached to their belts..

    • @cynkel7661
      @cynkel7661 8 років тому +1

      you are a tactical genius

    • @elperronimo
      @elperronimo 8 років тому +2

      they would bring in tactical bushes to hide behind in case the defenders start firing the spandaus

    • @Mantis47
      @Mantis47 8 років тому +1

      If only the attackers had a group of men armed with katanas they would've been able to parry every single bullet from the spandau with them.

    • @Lowco5
      @Lowco5 8 років тому +2

      Well if you have katanas just cut trough the fortifications with them.

  • @bernarddeboeck8405
    @bernarddeboeck8405 5 років тому +1

    I love the drawning you use of the castle from my home town in Belgium -Ghent : The Dukes Castle or in Flemish : Gravensteen

  • @Armadurapersonal
    @Armadurapersonal 8 років тому +118

    Bren or spandau, which one would be better for siege warfare?

  • @MrDawnRise
    @MrDawnRise 8 років тому

    Lindybeige, appreciate all the content. Loving it!

  • @armvex
    @armvex 8 років тому +144

    can spandau stop an uprising?

    • @Beriorn
      @Beriorn 8 років тому +128

      No, but it can suppress it.

    • @TeaAndBullets
      @TeaAndBullets 8 років тому

      +Beriorn If a Spandau is good for suppressing is it quiet?

    • @Beriorn
      @Beriorn 8 років тому

      A Gebirgsjäger and his Sturmgewher
      A suppressor for a Spandau would likely be as big as the gun itself and would not do all that much. Also it'd be worn out quickly due to its rate of fire.

    • @TeaAndBullets
      @TeaAndBullets 8 років тому

      +Beriorn What about a quick-change integrated suppressor and a firerate lowered to 3/4 the normal rate? Still formidable but more concealable.

    • @hart-of-gold
      @hart-of-gold 8 років тому +18

      Such a suppressor on the suppressing weapon would suppress its ability to suppress. Being serious, the sound is the thing that was feared. If you can't hear the bullets, is someone firing at you?

  • @timroberts4635
    @timroberts4635 5 років тому

    Your videos & Your knowledge are amazing & quite frankly AWESOME....!! Thank you for making them... I'll keep watching & giving thumbs up....

  • @CarnalKid
    @CarnalKid 8 років тому +12

    If I could only use Bren guns or Spandaus to besiege a castle, which should I pick?

    • @keithlarsen7557
      @keithlarsen7557 8 років тому +4

      The Bren being more accurate could take out individual archers, but the spandau would make the whole wall of defenders put their heads down.

    • @lancerd4934
      @lancerd4934 8 років тому +2

      The bren. It's lighter and easier to carry into the eventual assault with your troops. Plus you'll go through less ammunition so you can field more guns.

    • @SkyClap
      @SkyClap 8 років тому +1

      I hope these meme catches on

    • @Peagaporto
      @Peagaporto 8 років тому +1

      +SkyClap pretty sure it already did, god i love the internet

    • @rhyzvanic3660
      @rhyzvanic3660 8 років тому +5

      Why would you want to take out individual archers, or eve suppress the wall, when you could simply end *the wall itself* rightly!

  • @HurFordMeat
    @HurFordMeat 8 років тому +1

    Great topic! I love videos that explain how medieval life really was.

  • @LordBloodpool
    @LordBloodpool 8 років тому +18

    Didn't the Romans build Siege towers out of Spandaus?

  • @jazeroth322
    @jazeroth322 6 років тому

    Found the channel a few nights ago and I’m loving the deep dive into each topic. Merry Xmas good sir

  • @crunchyeater
    @crunchyeater 8 років тому +92

    Please, Lloyd. A single Spandautana will take down any fortification.

    • @welshy4638
      @welshy4638 8 років тому +31

      only works if dual wielded by a VIKING!!!

    • @GrimFaceHunter
      @GrimFaceHunter 8 років тому +11

      But it has to be a berserker.

    • @SuperKittenator
      @SuperKittenator 8 років тому +4

      +Blitz Krieg or his studded leather

    • @Correctrix
      @Correctrix 8 років тому +4

      Quick quick... must add more dank memezzz...
      ...end that fortification rightly!

    • @Tengila
      @Tengila 8 років тому

      This is getting far too dank, people. Get out of the sewer!

  • @sheldonkeyes8258
    @sheldonkeyes8258 8 років тому

    I really enjoyed this topic. It really puts things in perspective. Thank you Lindy!

  • @ARandomUsernameForMe
    @ARandomUsernameForMe 8 років тому +18

    Spandau is excellent in sieges

  • @BlinEd1
    @BlinEd1 8 років тому

    Your videos are actually my favourite!

  • @therustler30
    @therustler30 8 років тому +24

    Oh poor Lindybeige, he is under siege of all these Spandauer comments x)

    • @JariB.
      @JariB. 8 років тому +1

      The fact that he adressed the people who were "fully pro-German Engineering" as 'fanboys' tells me he'll probably be alright. We could throw sarcastic comments back though...?

    • @therustler30
      @therustler30 8 років тому +1

      I didn't see that video before I commented, you're right, that video wasn't great. ._.

    • @JariB.
      @JariB. 8 років тому

      ***** I am not going to judge it. It's not the era/period I'm specialized in. Let alone that I ever actually studied the weapons. Therefor I suppose I am not qualified to judge it. (Though I'll gladly throw back some sarcastic comments to those "fanboys" when they do say something even I find untrue.)

    • @Plankensen
      @Plankensen 7 років тому

      TheRustler dont comment before watching. Makes for silly comments

  • @Soy_Uz
    @Soy_Uz 7 років тому

    i really appreciate your passion and attention to detail, great channel, thanks for the hours of clever entertainment

  • @nebojsagalic4246
    @nebojsagalic4246 8 років тому +14

    How could they built these ''aggers'' while being pelted by arrows?

    • @lindybeige
      @lindybeige  8 років тому +71

      Vineae.

    • @TKnumerodos
      @TKnumerodos 8 років тому +2

      +Lindybeige Sorry, I'm fairly new to the channel, I love your content, but have you done a video on Trebuchets?

    • @badgerbrowncoat5433
      @badgerbrowncoat5433 8 років тому +2

      @ Neb - "pioneers" and siege engineers !- RESPECT!

    • @GrrrIamMad
      @GrrrIamMad 8 років тому

      He briefly discussed trebuchets in one of his videos about the film "Ironclad".

    • @UncleJackOnline
      @UncleJackOnline 8 років тому +8

      sir, I wish to report a beach hut approaching.....yup....looks like seaweed

  • @Player_Review
    @Player_Review 8 років тому

    I'm excited about this vid. Thanks for the topic coverage.

  • @paununs8719
    @paununs8719 8 років тому +14

    Span span span span...
    Lovely Span! Wonderful Span...!

  • @Morganottosson
    @Morganottosson 8 років тому

    10/10 clip, my ideas of sieges has now been crumbled and rebuilt but i enjoy learning new things thanks Lindybeige

  • @jonallegrand6525
    @jonallegrand6525 8 років тому +3

    Quick Stupid Question, What was the strategic benefit of taking a castle ? wouldn't a city be better ? more Supplies, food and loot

    • @Dorfjunge
      @Dorfjunge 8 років тому

      And that's what usually happened.

    • @purpleanex
      @purpleanex 8 років тому +2

      To answer that you could say why was the castle built in that position in the first place, usually to dominate an area where there isn't a large walled city but can control some strategic point or large area for resources.

    • @whothecaresagives
      @whothecaresagives 8 років тому

      Think of cities as ancient tanks without wheels.
      It's there, it's strong, and it can ruin your advance. The idea was to have a center of power over the region. Compared with cities, castles are full of military equipment, almost a whole region's trained military force, and feudal lords, and once you remove a feudal lord, you have all their land (including whatever cities the lord owns). It's safer, more economical, and less wasteful to just take a castle than to take down a city and potentially have to burn it down and kill its citizens to ensure security.

    • @purpleanex
      @purpleanex 8 років тому +1

      Rexel Harder Ancient cities and castles aren't the same subject, different time span.

    • @paununs8719
      @paununs8719 8 років тому

      If you take a city, you need a detachment of like 300 to 500 people at least to control the local population (weakening your amy), while as Lloyd says, you only need a few to defend a castle.

  • @GoneGamingNL
    @GoneGamingNL 8 років тому +1

    I love these videos, Keep it up!

  • @iseeyou1312
    @iseeyou1312 8 років тому +172

    When the Romans besieged Carthage in 149BC, the Carthaginians decided that their main line of defence would be to use spandaus on their walls, and spent the previous two summers stockpiling spandau ammunition. When the Romans attacked, they were pinned down for several hours, however, the city quickly used up all their ammunition due to the rapid rate of fire. Miraculously, when the Romans picked themselves up from the dirt, not a single soldier had been hit, allowing them to easily take the city.

  • @sagidasyed6314
    @sagidasyed6314 2 роки тому +1

    0:09 plz anyone tell me the name of the sound effect he used 🙏🙏🙏🙏🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

  • @sugarfrosted2005
    @sugarfrosted2005 8 років тому +23

    "As always, don't feed chocolate to dogs." What? I mean it's true, but What?

    • @rjfaber1991
      @rjfaber1991 8 років тому +7

      Haven't you noticed? The last couple of videos have all had a completely irrelevant piece of trivia at the end of it. I personally find them hilarious, but as humour is largely subjective, you're of course free to disagree.

    • @clarkliberty1110
      @clarkliberty1110 8 років тому

      Chocolate is toxic to dogs,like arsenic to people.

    • @rjfaber1991
      @rjfaber1991 8 років тому +1

      Clark Liberty To be honest, chocolate is toxic to humans as well. It's just that our livers have evolved to break it down very quickly, something dogs cannot do.

    • @skipfred
      @skipfred 3 роки тому

      @@rjfaber1991 Which means it's nontoxic. At least in the sense that most people use that word.

  • @C0m3TSw1tch
    @C0m3TSw1tch 8 років тому

    I've been thinking and searching for the words for those screens and 'sheds' in the Medieval period. Thanks for sharing.

  • @CybeargPlays
    @CybeargPlays 8 років тому +11

    Hah! There is a pair of glasses hanging in the wall as art, a jab at the recent prank where some glasses were laid on the floor and mistaken for an art piece.... Nicely done!

  • @Poki3
    @Poki3 8 років тому +2

    Question: What about ladders?
    If you have archery support from a siege tower and manage to clear a part of the wall from enemies you could put a few ladders you made with wood and rope and get some people inside to open the gates, right?
    Hell, why not board from a siege tower if you have superiority?

    • @lindybeige
      @lindybeige  8 років тому

      Would you fancy climbing a ladder? What stops the defenders pushing it away with you on it?

    • @Poki3
      @Poki3 8 років тому

      Under normal circumstances of course not, but when you mentioned a siege tower with archers overlooking the walls I was thinking that the archers could provide cover for someone to use a ladder.
      Another though I has was that if the defenders sometimes dug tunnels into the ramps to sabotage them, couldn't the attackers do something similar? The tunnel entrance could be hidden by the presence of cover for building the ramp, and so would be the presence of dirt. You would have digging noises that might tip the defenders off and they might setup an ambush but having bolts, arrows and other crap thrown at you when making the ramp also doesn't sound too pleasant.
      I guess that's what you mean by this being a bigger topic then you can cover in 1 video, but it really got me interested.

    • @paununs8719
      @paununs8719 8 років тому

      That must be difficult. Let's say we have 4 guys climbing: that weights a lot. Even in there's only 1 guy at the lower part of the ladder, you just cannot push it unless all the weight it's in the upper part. Maybe fire is an option here?

  • @rzq100
    @rzq100 8 років тому +5

    What are you on about. My dog loves chocolate. He just had a bar of it. Come here spike! Show them how much you love chocolate. Spike! Spike! Spike? OH GOD NO!

  • @Paal2005
    @Paal2005 8 років тому

    At 8:16, it says that the Siege of Plataea lasted from 429-427 BC. Just wanted to let you know!

  • @erikgranqvist3680
    @erikgranqvist3680 8 років тому +14

    Here in Sweden, we had massive armys in the medieval time. There were litterarly hundreds of thousand men in any one army. Albeit, they were very small and disguised themselves as big blokes, cramping in about ten thouseand men in one piece of shining armour.

    • @hazzmati
      @hazzmati 8 років тому +1

      wrong

    • @keithlarsen7557
      @keithlarsen7557 8 років тому +5

      Medieval man powered mech suites... FUND IT!

    • @RingxWorld
      @RingxWorld 8 років тому

      Completely wrong

    • @keithlarsen7557
      @keithlarsen7557 8 років тому +1

      People with no sense of humour...

    • @erikgranqvist3680
      @erikgranqvist3680 8 років тому +1

      hazzmati what do you mean wrong? You cant prove it! The men were about 1" high, and weighed in at 50 lbs per man. That made a suit of armour just about the heaviest thing in the universe, when they cramped in those ten of thousands of men in one suit!

  • @bavettesAstartes
    @bavettesAstartes 8 років тому

    I really enjoy these longer videos.