I love the juxtaposition of the calm Tank Museum guy gently asking us to donate and buy things... versus Lindy screaming "bad tank!" and shouting "Bovington!" at the museum itself.
@@dudeguybro I am glad that you and many others enjoy his schtick. I just find it becomes tiresome. Only my opinion, which I likely should try harder to keep to myself!
I'm with Lindy here. "Bovington Tank Museum" is a way cooler name than "The Tank Museum" - the latter is boring and generic. The former has distinction and class.
I kinda understand the renaming, Bovington Tank Museum sounds very provincial and somewhat unimpressive. The Tank Museum on the otherhand is a pretty good description of its scale lol
I was at junior leaders regiment in the 80’s directly across the road and we always called it The Tank Museum. As far as I’m concerned there is only one Tank Museum….
@Anthony Gaughan @Robbson These are fair point. Similarly, the English F.A. Cup is simply called 'The F.A. Cup', it doesn't need to be distinguished with an adjective - everyone the world over (who is interested in football) knows exactly what that specifically means. But then again, that's how it's always been referred to, not after re-branding.... So, all-in-all, I side with Lindybeige on this one, but.... if officially calling it 'The Tank Museum' is essential to the museum's functional survival, then so be it.
This guy, together with James Holland, Chris Barrie and Guy Walters should get together to make a military version of Top Gear. It would be both informative and hilarious at the same time.
Yes, Lindy is right. For me, as a german, its "Bovington". I mean, Bovington is worldwide a synonym for " Tank Museum" So all others named themselfes " tank museum " like Munster in Germany and all the others round the planet. The only one , wich doesnt need that, is Bovington, because Bovington is THE TANK MUSEUM! Thanks for your incredible work and unique presentation....
Its really bad actually. Its entertainment for people who play "world of tanks" rather than serious information the subject. The Tiger I commentary is mostly wrong. He doesn't understand what the JagdTiger was or what it was for (Hint - its a self-propelled anti-tank gun not a tank). And someone should explain to him that they had these things called "trains" for moving things around. And you have to put things in the context of when they were built (like the Char-B) and what they were in opposition to. The Char-B was an early 1930s design.
The tortoice and T95 actually seem to make sense to me. They were designed as specialist instruments to smash extremely powerful defensive lines. Not to be used as traditional tanks. In that context the extremely poor reliability and heavy support demands they would have inveitably have had make sense as a reasonable trade off.
Loving this, he's bonkers, and that is exactly what is needed. Passion and knowledge in an eccentric way only the British can get away with ... love it .
Foreign tourists didn't recognize it, which (to an outside consultant who specializes in these things) means they were leaving fat wads of cash on the table by not scraping and bowing to every wallet that flies in from Heathrow and might be persuaded to buy a ticket to the museum simply on the novelty aspect. A ludicrous concept, but one I've heard made many, many times in my business. Bovington has delusions it is the Smithsonian just waiting for the right kind of branding to make it self-sustaining on tickets alone. It isn't, and it never will be. It's a specialized museum with a long, specialized tradition based on the tank establishment at Bovington, and will require donations from tank nerds until the day the planet is swallowed by the sun. Why not just be really good to the people who care about you?
Ive been in bovington for the summer festival, for 4 times, and its a Great show of a Great museum. But in my opinion, the Musée des Blindés at Saumur in the north of France, near the belgium border, its more complete. Afterall is got the biggest collection of tanks, armored cars, AG, Apc's, AFV's, etc in the world, abaut 800 vehicles, wich is Mad, and not all of them are in the exposition because There are no room available for so many veichles. And got the only mint condition and runnig KingTiger, wich by the way, my favorite tank of all times. And like in bovington you can see all of them running around. Brilliant, like bovington, But a little better to me.
@@jpmtlhead39 I've been to both and I prefer Bovington. Yes, Saumur has a better collection, but they don't put any care or attention into the presentation of the collection. If you've been to the back rooms/storage area in Bovington and seen all those tanks in a blank empty hangar, packed in like sardines, that's the entirety of Saumur but bigger. Saumur's vehicles are placed in rows like sardines in hangar after hangar, with very sparse areas of theming (the display of notable tank generals seemed interesting but I can't read French, and they don't give translations). Bovington on the other hand has large boards full of historical photos, videos, a recreation of a WW1 trench network with a landship cresting it over you, as well as a more interesting layout. Even the temporary exhibit on the Afghan/middle east wars with the most modern stuff they had, was fully kitted out to look like a military camp with tents, gear, and artifacts. Saumur had tanks, and if you wanted more than tanks, sorry buddy.
@@Spidehman sorry for what,buddy...??!!!! Its your opinion. Other people have diferent opinions. If you dont like it,its your problem,and if you cant read French,its your problem also,because between the 7 and 9 grade i had English and French as mandatory disciplines,with the option of having German has a third language,wich i did. So,dont Blame Saumur for your shortcomings,buddy.
Absolutely love the tank museum, I went there for tank fest and had to use a wheel chair cause my spine was causing me problems and everyone was so helpful and kind, one member of staff even opened one of my favourite tanks and showed me how the whole tank worked when he wasn't ment to but it was an amazing experience. Would love to work there one day. Thank you for making my year in one day tank museum!
I'll always remember reading Otto Carius' accounts of the war when he was given command of 4 Jagdtigers, he was just exasperated the whole time. Both with the vehicles themselves and the ineptitude of the commanders in his charge.
A heavy, expensive tank killer with a 2 round per minute rate of fire was the last thing the Germans needed at that juncture. Much like Zimmerit, it represented a fundamental misunderstanding of the actual enemy they were facing & the needs of an Army eating it's shoelaces while trying to fight a defensive battle against said numerically-overwhelming enemy. You don't use a 20lb sledgehammer when you've got one arm in a sling and you're being zerg rushed by 50 rats at a time. If they'd been playing with a full deck, they'd have made StuG IIIs with KwK40s until the end of the war.
I remember particularly his story about an engagement against a column of Shermans at long range with his platoon of Jagdtigers. They shot them, Shermans shot back, and he ordered his driver to reverse. The driver, who was an idiot, turned around. The Shermans got a clean penetration on the now exposed side.
Yup... If you need to kill something (anything, really) right in front of you, really, Really, REEEEEEEEEEEEALLY hard? The Jagdtiger is your vehicle. If you need anything even slightly resembling functional utility? LOL, nope.
@@builder396 There was another case when 2 Jagdtigers were facing a column of allied tanks but opted to withdraw rather than engage. 1 Jagdtiger promptly broke down, the second tried to tow it away and also broke down and both vehicles had to be blown up having achieved absolutely nothing!
Just to note: There is a fundemental difference between the Jagdtiger and Tortoise. The Jagdtiger was made to knock out the Russian heavies on the Eastern front, while the Tortoise was an Assault Tank, much like the American T95, intended to Assault heavily defended positions. Like the Siegfried Line of Western Germany.
While this is very true, Tortoise, T95 and Jagdtiger (and I have the KV-.2 on that same list) were all useless. No one in WW2 ever broke through a bunker line with heavy or super-heavy tanks. I think every country at some point just overdid it. The 8,8 cm L71 was perfect for killing every enemy tank uncludiing IS-2. Why mounting a gun which theoretically belongs on a destroyer on a platform that is notoriously unreliable ? They knew it from Tiger II and they could never sort it out (which would have meant melting the thing and rebuild from scratch).
@@Yourantsally yes and technology has come a long way since then. But at the time it was a solution to get a mixture of a ridiculously large done and armor into a usable package. A lot of the Soviet case-mates we're not actually designed to fight tanks but to assault fortification. By not having a turret it allowed them to fit a larger gun onto the vehicle and a little bit more armor. But yes they're definitely something of a bygone era.
@@ottovonbismarck2443 While I am inclined to agree with most points, the Jagdtiger would have had the only gun on the field which could have had any success taking out an IS-3 if the Soviets had completed them just a few months earlier. The Germans saw where Soviet armor was going and attempted to preemtively counter it. Although, it should have been mounted on a reliable, light and fast chassis. I wonder if the Panzer 4 could have accomodated the gun on an open mounting. The KV-2 was more or less a leftover (Pretty successful in theory) concept vehicle from the Winter War. Its incredibly specific and they dropped production of it as the game changed. The story of how 1 KV-2 kept Kampfgruppe Raus of the 6th Panzer Division at bay for a full day during the Battle of Raseiniai was a testament to its psychological effect and its ability to take hits. In that case, a mobile bunker with a bunker killing gun was just what the doctor ordered.
Jingles is more for the vibes, entertaining in his own way, but not that informative. Lindybeige is informative, and he is like that one teacher from your childhood that was actually passionate about his job, and extremely inspiring
@@miltoska9708 Eh he definitely can be, but the less opinionated he is on a topic im trying to be informed in, the better usually. Unless i'm just watching for the eccentric opinions for the lulz
My grandfather was in Italy and north Africa, he was in the 34th division which saw more combat time than any other division in the ETO. He saw quite a few tigers in his time, every single time abandoned on the side of a road.
Lloyd is a treasure. I believe he's the best all-around lecturer on UA-cam. His passion and joy for his subjects come through effortlessly and with even the smallest modicum of interest will sweep you along for an entertaining ride.
It's a good thing the Lloyd tankette did not had any legacy: I can't imagine someone like the Italians making an entire line of vehicles based on it and using them in the entire duration of the second world war as assault vehicles, maybe even giving them flamethrowers and anti tank cannons, that would have been a disaster for them. Good thing it didn't happen
And now for something completely different!! Nobody communicates military history like Lindy! He channels John Cleese so well. Very Pythonesque, and brilliantly done, sir.
Mephisto! I'm wearing it on a T-shirt as we speak. I don't know if the A7V was an effective vehicle, but as a kid growing up and visiting the Queensland museum it was pretty cool to see a 90-year-old tank and wonder how exactly it got all the way from Europe to Brisbane.
@Lindybeige is far and away my favorite UA-cam historian! As a former tanker I love this video and the way he gets into the real life aspects of these vehicles. Not just focusing on biggest gun, best armor, fastest etc but the maintenance and crew required. Tanks break themselves just existing.
"This tank is so big it has a palpable gravitational field!" I've laughed so hard, from now on I'm watching every Lindybeige video. This man is a master standup comedian!
What a great Christmas present, and one I didn't expect AT ALL! Lindeybeige's bottom five tanks! Side-splittingly funny! Thanks Tank Museum, and Merry Christmas to you all!
The A7V name is even worse if you know what it means: Abteilung 7, Verkehrswesen. (Department 7, Motor Vehicles) I kinda like it, though. The Germans were unimpressed by the performance early British designs, so it was built to completely different specifications. It wasn't meant to cross trenches and shell holes, it was supposed to be more of a mobile bunker to provide fire support. In the rare cases it was used as intended, it actually performed quite well; it's road speed was better, had thicker armour and a really advanced command system that allowed the commanders to give orders without kicking people. But the German high command didn't believe in it either, so almost none were built. After seeing the later Mk. IV and V, they changed their stance and started developing traditional tanks, like the A7V-U, a rhomboid tank re-using many of the A7V's components, or the LK-II, which was basically a German Whippet. But they weren't completed before the war ended and the prototypes were scrapped or sold. (The LK-II became the Swedish Stridswagn m/21) Further Listening: ua-cam.com/video/ESKxi4EEDUQ/v-deo.html (The curator of the Deutsches Panzermuseum on the A7V)
it was also built using pre-war notions for a tank, that it would be a way to bring a big gun up to the enemy with armor. Both britain and france built examples of this principle, though the brits rightly abandoned the concept and moved onto the romboid tanks
@JZ's Best Friend : Not really , this ,Stridsvagn' would be in current german , Kriegswagen'/ war waggon. Nowadays we germans call war Krieg. But: A battle axe is in german a ,Streitaxt' and a mace is a , Streitkolben'. Also in german funeral song ,Ich hatte einen Kameraden'/ the good comrade ( written 1809) , die Trommel schlug zum Streite'/ the drum called to war( battle) . Once ,Streit' meant war, not like nowadays tension/ quarrel.
_Cannot disagree with anything this gentleman has brought up_ Word of advice: don't take what Lindy says at face value. He has been wrong many times before. His hilariously partial take on Napoleon or the whole Spandau affair are two good examples.
Brilliant, Lloyd. I have a soft spot for the Char B myself - I made the Matchbox kit (which came with a delightfully teeny little Renault FT-17) years ago, and was taken by just how odd it looked.
@@OrlandoDibiskitt - A section of street with a ruined wall. It came with two nicely detailed French soldiers. I gave one of mine a bike from an old Airfix kit.
Well, I have to say that that is quite some Christmas present. Really high production values made for a much more interesting video -- hang on, what am I saying? Yes, that's right, a much more interesting video than usual Lindybeige videos, which are phenomenally interesting. Loved it. Oh, and by the way, I know you read the comments because you replied to me.
As a point of note: Being called "The Tank Museum" is really ambiguous, and frankly confusing. No matter how hard you try or how successful it ends up being, it is not going to be popular or ubiquitous enough to be recognised by that name alone because it's not the only tank museum of note, and is probably never going to be. If someone asks me "Have you been to The Tank Museum?" I am going to ask them which one. Being called "Bovington Tank Museum" or "The British Tank Museum", or something similar, on the other hand, is more than distinguished enough because that's a full proper title, and I much preferred the old name.
These are my favorite kind of videos among the various types of content you do. I’m sure it takes a lot of research but you explain it all so naturally and casually that it’s extremely watchable and understandable. Not necessarily about tanks but explaining objects of war and other interesting objects of historical note. Edit: I just realized this isn’t the Lindybeige channel. Anyway my point still stands, but the “you” in my comment is directed to Lloyd not the museum. But having Lloyd host your videos is a banger of an idea.
The Char B did have a very precise way of turning the tank the Naeder transmission could turn the tank in intervals of less than a degree however it was very complex and thus prone to maintenance issues especially as it required castor oil and during the war a lot of French formations were created from scratch lacked proper training and used pharmaceutical castor oil not industrial castor oil causing many a headache (S35 units also had issues were inexperienced crews would accidently only fill up the smaller of the two fuel tanks and thus the tank would run out of fuel and have to be abandoned) and the last batch if B1s made had a 75mm in a ball mount that could traverse sideways and these was going to be standard in the B1 ter. As for the so called weak spot on the side of the B1 that is a myth as the grill was specially designed to have the same effective thickness as the side. The myth comes from a single engagement at Stonne where in Gudarians diary he made the claim, however further examination of the historical records from both the French and the Germans including photographs of the tank clearly show the tank in question was not taken out by a Anti-Tank shell to the vent but was abandoned by it's own crew after the transmission broke down and that was almost certainly due to the inexperienced crew mishandling the tank in question.
it should also be noted that although in a mobile battle of 1940 the B1 performed badly in 1944 when fighting against entrenched German forces they performed exceptionally well where they were used to great effect against the German fortifications at Royan, Pontilliac, and La Rochelle proving to be much more effective than the Sherman's as the shell on the Char b1s 75mm Howitzer had a much bigger High Explosive charge than any other Allied tank except the Churchill AVRE.
It was the French Tiger in terms of cost vs effectiveness. Brilliant when it worked, a liability when it didn't and to be fair most of the tanks he considers bad fall into that category. I like the Char B, it has personality and it's armour and guns were effective for it's time.
I would also like to add that the side armor is the same thickness as the front, its just the lack of slope. It was still practically immune against all German guns of the time short of maybe 10.5cm howitzers, but I doubt Germans were that desperate at the time.
congrats Lindybeige on being chosen. 5.GLC - why didn't they use a 80/110mm recoil-less rifle? as mobile AA. 4. Tiger 1 - big scary, asthmatic 3. Tortiose - tank that looks like a naval Barbette 2. A7V - landed whale 1. escapee from warhammer 40k - Vanquisher, just as useless
I've just come across this channel and I have to say, this comment section is the most civilized and polite section I've ever come across. Hope you all had a wonderful Holiday weekend!
Point of note: The transmission of the Char B did allow the driver to precisely point the gun at any target within its intended range. It was probably involving a trick that used variable displacement of both the hydraulic pump and hydraulic motor to allow for very large ratios, very small ratios, and everything in between. As a cost saving measure, they later went with a simpler transmission and added a small amount of traverse to the main gun.
Even the bottom 5 are brought with a flair only he could bring. Love his videos and that of the Tank Museum. By the way, with measures tightened due to Covid I do hope we can see videos featuring David Wiley again doing in depth videos while his dog taking care of the light touch. Throough;y enjoyed those too. And I hope one day the BTM will do a series of interviews with veteran tankers worldwide some day. Tanks are great machines, but the crews operating them made them come alive.
Lloyd, Poles used the TK-3 and TKS tankettes based on the Carden Lloyd in the september campaign. The 20mm autocannon version proved to be somewhat succesfull.
@@lostalone9320 At least two of the claimed tanks were Pz 35(t)s and one was a Pz IV Ausf B and I'm too lazy to find exactly what was attributed to him at Sierakow...
*The World:* -Let's use some existing designs, maybe change these a bit, or maybe let's combine the strengths of all. Also, let's use only the things that are proven to work. Let's use common sense and keep it ergonomically as correct as possible. It could also look neat and tidy. Does not need to be beautiful! *Le French:* -Le German et Britanniques - ceux miserable designé... Not very the solution d'ingénierie révolutionnaire. Not weirdé enoughé! These Britishé... Le petits dessinateurs. What a hideux et terrible... le horrible dessigné! Ouffx.. Non! Le non originale conception. Extrêmement! We need the designê du exceptionnel L'remarquablê innovant et inhabituel designêux!
Hi. An American here. “Bovington” sounds like a place I should go to. “The Tank Museum” sounds like it’s a tourist trap on the side of the interstate. Still looks like a cool place though. Cheeys m8!
What a great, instructive and comic presentation Lindybeige your enthusiasm is contagious. Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a prosperous and above all healthy 2022. Greetings from Holland.
LA-LA-LA, nothing you can say will me stop loving the Tiger, no matter how right you are! I always love Lindybeige for his frantic and humourous delivery. Very enjoyable video, and happy Christmas everybody!
You guys want to go and watch Jonathan Parshall's talk on Tiger Production and why it was a really bad idea. You can supplement it with one of Chieftain's from last week about tank myths where he talks of the economic value of tank for money of the Panther. I like the Tiger too, but it was a really bad idea and gave very little value for the money. Merry Xmas.
@@PalleRasmussen Oh yeah, Lindy's spot on, but he's also right in that when I think of TANK! the first image that springs to mind for me is the Tiger followed closely by the King Tiger. They just look the part, you know? All big, blocky, loud and stupid.
@@iDEATH The massproduction tactic with lighter tanks would`nt work for germany why germany have less Population .The drivers needed more protection ,why the Germans didnt had many to sacrifice !
Lindybeige: - Living proof that if you have enough child like excitement and passion about a topic you never need to provide references. To his credit he did state these were the tanks he disliked, not the tanks that were actually rubbish.
@@lostalone9320 I started to reply to this and realised that (a) basically I was procrastinating and (b) no one was going to read over 750 words discussing how engineering works in the real world, the reasons they built Convenanters and how much I like the colour green the Tortoise is finished in. This is UA-cam. No one comes here to read anything longer than 150 words. So... basically - Lindybeige is a successful entertainer who has large amounts of passion and excitement which distracts from the fact that more often than not he is openly displaying a very poor understanding of the topic. That is my claim. The Tortoise does not need to be a valuable piece of equipment to disprove my claim. To be honest if Lindybeige did know what he was talking about he would more likely than not have never reached the success he has achieved. He is passionate. He gets excited. Watching one of his videos is like going on an adventure as we bounce around getting really excited about things. He himself openly admits in many of his videos that he is making a video because he has no idea why a Something is a Something and wants to work out why. A lot of people enjoy his personality and his style and he gets to go home each night and roll around on his massive piles of UA-cam Dollars. Probably. That's how UA-cam works once you get over 1000 subscribers, right? All of this make him a successful entertainer. None of that makes him a subject matter expert.
The Cardon Loyd would be one of my favourites. It's one of the few military vehicles that would fit in my small garage. And it would cost a lot less to run than a Tiger.
Lindy Beige while doing Top 5 Tanks : "Tiger.Tiger.Tiger.Tiger.Tiger.Tiger." Lindy Beige while doing Bottom 5 Tanks : "Do not pull a tiger with another tiger"
Im planning a trip for next summer to the U.K. and the Tank museum will be scheduled in for one of those days. Really awsome looking place and looking forward to seeing it in person.
The Carden Loyd was the first tankette. It was actually in service when the tankette "idea" was at its most valuable. It also provided a useful starting point for many mechanised armies across the world after tank development stalled post WWI.
You can see precisely where the tankette fitted in at the time of its conception. Last war, trenches, machineguns massively effective on defence, but not mobile enough to accompany the attack. Big tanks can break the deadlock. Why not put our machinegunners in a little tank so they can accompany the advance. Great idea until the "proper tank" Mobile, armoured and 3 man turret arrives.
@@thurin84 Excellent point. There was a crop of little tanks - designed to accompany the breakthrough. FT17, Whippet, and the German one that looked like the whippet (Maybe didn't enter service). Mostly machinegun armed, but designed for speed (relative to their big brothers and sisters). Likely conceived to do the job that the armoured cars of 1914 did, but with improved offroad ability. Guderian reckoned the Whippet was the most terrifying British weapon, nerfed because the British insist it operate alongside horsed cavalry. So something that could have rolled through a machinegun barrage (fingers crossed), had to halt every time the Germans started brassing up the horses.
I hope that Lindy had a good cuppa, a biscuit and a nice lie down after this extensive period of ranting. The poor fellow could do himself an injury otherwise! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to Tank Enthusiasts around the world. Mark from Melbourne Australia
While it might be tempting to say that building more Panzer 4s would have been better than building Tigers because of their high cost, the reality is that Germany was already struggling to find crews for the tanks that they had, so introducing thousands of more tanks would have only exacerbated that problem, not to mention the logistical needs that having more tanks would bring. Also, it's important to consider that Panzer 4s simply couldn't do everything that a Tiger could and that when you consider their performances and especially the moral effect that Tiger's had on both sides, Tiger's were the more efficient solution by far. Which of course, isn't meant to say that they couldn't have been more efficient, the Tiger's design was very complicated and the Germans should have done many things to simplify their design and production. I highly recommend both The Chieftain's video on the Tiger (Title: A controversial opinion of Tiger) and Millitary History Visualized video on the Tiger (Title: How effective was the Tiger really?) for a more detailed breakdown of the Tiger's performance and an explanation of why the Tiger performed the way it did.
Correct! From another comment of mine: It is easy to say "Oh, we can make two Panzer IVs for every one Tiger I. Easy choice!". Except tanks don't operate in a vacuum. Panzer IVs are organized into Panzer battalions, each with an authorized strength of around 75. They are part of a Panzer regiment. But a Panzer regiment doesn't fight alone, it is part of a Panzer division. First off, it needs infantry support. So in come the Panzergrenadier regiment (with the infantry being transporte in Sd.Kfz. 251 halftracks), and the adjacent Grenadier regiment, motorised, with everyone on trucks. You then need artillery support: enter the artillery regiment, with three batteries, mixed, heavy and light, all either self propelled or towed. That means Wespes, Hummels, leFH18, sFH18, prime movers... you know the drill. Moving on, the division then needs an anti tank battalion for defensive purposes, which would be equipped with Jagdpanzer IVs and towed PaK 40s (so more halftracks) All this concentration of men and material is sure to draw the attention of enemy aircrafts. So the Flak battalion forms part of the division, equipped with 2 cm, 3,7 cm and 8,8 cm AA guns. Everything that is not self propelled has to be towed and transported too, of course. Lorries and halftracks are required. You are also going to need some 600 mm searchlights. And finally you need engineers, to guarantee the safe crossing of obstacles and the construction of field defences. The Pioneer battalion assumed those duties and, of course, it was also self propelled, which meant even more vehicles. And I am leaving a lot of stuff uncovered: signal battalion, the motor pool, the sanitation services, clerks, medis, food services, postal services... and everything has to be motorised, of course. In the end, for each 160 new Panzer IVs, we need: * 14.500 men * 9.000 rifles * 3.000 pistols * 1.500 submachineguns * 1.300 machineguns * 70 mortars * 60 howitzers * 120 FlaK guns * 4 600 mm searchlights * 13 PaK 40s * 11 Pz Bef Wg Panzer IV * 4 Bergepanzer III * 86 Flakpanzers * 280 Sd.Kfz. 250/251 halftracks. * 16 recon vehicles * 21 Jagdpanzer IVs * 6 Hummels + 12 Wespe, and a similar number of munitions vehicles. * 5 Observation tanks * 300 Kettenkrads * 170 motorcycles * 650 cars * 1443 trucks (!) * 136 Maultier * 58 ambulances * 18 buses * 160 trailers * 125 prime movers. Having more tanks at onces is incredibly expensive. And I haven't even mentioned how much fuel this would require, or the strategic resources, nor the crews needed to operate them...
@@VRichardsn Oh wow geez that's quite extensive, I knew about all this in broad strokes but I didn't have the numbers, thank you! Honestly, the thing that seems the strangest to me is the presence of the 18 buses, I would have assumed trucks would have done their job and that buses would be somewhat unsuitable for operating in the field.
Another factor is that by the end of the war the Panzer 4 was also rather unreliable (to a similar extent as the Panther), so making more of them wasn’t going to help reliability either.
Producing more Panzer IVs is not a simple choice. Even if two tanks of a certain type cost as much as one tank of another type, we must remember that tanks do not fight in a vacuum. Panzer IVs are organized into Panzer battalions, each with an authorized strength of around 75. They are part of a Panzer regiment. But a Panzer regiment doesn't fight alone, it is part of a Panzer division. First off, it needs infantry support. So in come the Panzergrenadier regiment (with the infantry being transporte in Sd.Kfz. 251 halftracks), and the adjacent Grenadier regiment, motorised, with everyone on trucks. You then need artillery support: enter the artillery regiment, with three batteries, mixed, heavy and light, all either self propelled or towed. That means Wespes, Hummels, leFH18, sFH18, prime movers... you know the drill. Moving on, the division then needs an anti tank battalion for defensive purposes, which would be equipped with Jagdpanzer IVs and towed PaK 40s (so more halftracks) All this concentration of men and material is sure to draw the attention of enemy aircrafts. So the Flak battalion forms part of the division, equipped with 2 cm, 3,7 cm and 8,8 cm AA guns. Everything that is not self propelled has to be towed and transported too, of course. Lorries and halftracks are required. You are also going to need some 600 mm searchlights. And finally you need engineers, to guarantee the safe crossing of obstacles and the construction of field defences. The Pioneer battalion assumed those duties and, of course, it was also self propelled, which meant even more vehicles. And I am leaving a lot of stuff uncovered: signal battalion, the motor pool, the sanitation services, clerks, medis, food services, postal services... and everything has to be motorised, of course. In the end, for each 160 new Panzer IVs, we need: * 14.500 men * 9.000 rifles * 3.000 pistols * 1.500 submachineguns * 1.300 machineguns * 70 mortars * 60 howitzers * 120 FlaK guns * 4 600 mm searchlights * 13 PaK 40s * 11 Pz Bef Wg Panzer IV * 4 Bergepanzer III * 86 Flakpanzers * 280 Sd.Kfz. 250/251 halftracks. * 16 recon vehicles * 21 Jagdpanzer IVs * 6 Hummels + 12 Wespe, and a similar number of munitions vehicles. * 5 Observation tanks * 300 Kettenkrads * 170 motorcycles * 650 cars * 1443 trucks (!) * 136 Maultier * 58 ambulances * 18 buses * 160 trailers * 125 prime movers. As you can see... having more tanks at onces is incredibly expensive. And I haven't even mentioned how much fuel this would require, or the strategic resources, nor the crews needed to operate them...
Basically Lindy is a Light Tank Doctrinist I must admit i found it very funny when he started yelling "bad tortoise" like trying to discipline the badly behaved pet and then we get the ads from the Tank Museum
My late Father-in-law was in the 50th Northumbrian Inf. Div. in North Africa, Italy and Northern Europe. In fact his Battalion of the Green Howards landed on Gold Beach on 6th of June. At one time he was attached to an anti-tank battery and he said the number of times they prepared to meet a Tiger 1 only to find out it was a Mk4 were far more numerous than the times they did meet a Mk6. Of those he did see, almost all had either broken down or been knocked out, usually by artillery or naval guns.
Yes, ww1. The Germans feared and coveted the British tanks so used their famed technical brilliance to make a badly armoured shoe box that couldn't go anywhere.
I have visited THE BOVINGTON TANK MUSEUM and it is was well worth the visit but next time I intend to visit over two or three days to get the chance to see and soak up everything. 👍👍👊😊.
@@osmacar5331I'm just saying Bovington Tank Museum implies just another tank museum to the newcomer but The Tank Museum tells them it is the number one tank museum. They (The Tank Museum) are looking to the future but to look back a bit I say "What's in a name? That which we call Bovington by any other name would smell as sweet" you shouldn't argue with Shakespeare (even in a baggy jumper and disintegrating boots).
You know it's going to be full of annoying British patriotism. Even when he picks a British tank he acts proud over it because it's worse than the Jagdtiger.
Carden lloyd tankette was a dangerous beast. I tripped over the one in Bovington and fell to the ground. When I got up it was stuck in the sole of my shoes until someone handed me a stick.
@@Surv1ve_Thrive 😱 OMG!! It is very important to wipe in one direction only. From inner corner to outer corner☝🏼. ....no, wait! From outer corner to inner.....🤔...... Just remember: It is VERY important, or the tracks might injure your cornea. And flush! Don't forget to flush your eyes!
Lindybeige was one of the guys I wanted to see Bottom 5 tanks from and oh was it a delight! A truly great early Christmas present! Or though I have to disagree with him on the Char B1, yes it has it's flaws but overall I think it's a very underrated tank and it was actually one of the tanks (Along with the Matilda II) that inspired the Germans to build heavier tanks like the Tiger.
@@lyndoncmp5751 I also disagree with Lindybeige's discussion to include Tiger I here, or though to be fair the flaws he pointed out about the Tiger are very valid but overall the Tiger did succeed in it's main purpose. I definitely agree with him on the A7V though.
Tigers in Italy. I had a translated German book on all the panzers. In the section on Tiger operations, they discussed a particular railroad embankment in Italy that over the course of a week destroyed an entire Tiger battalion, with no Allied intervention.
No Tiger battalion was destroyed in a week in Italy. Half a battalion was self sabotaged in summer 1944 when they ran out of fuel and the battalion commander was fired.
It is very easy to spot a lie like this, because... which of the very few battalions was "completely" destroyed? I assume you are talking about the 508:th heavy battalion
I love the juxtaposition of the calm Tank Museum guy gently asking us to donate and buy things... versus Lindy screaming "bad tank!" and shouting "Bovington!" at the museum itself.
Hahahaha! Down! Get back! Bad tank! Shame!
It's what makes him so much fun, such passion lol
Who knew the Tiger's paint scheme was modelled after Lloyd's wardrobe?
The main reason it's not the #1 on this list: it's beige!
To be fair judging by his shoes 8:45 the pay isn’t that great 😳
The Tiger of course famous for trimming its collar into a rounded point
@@BD-yl5mh eccentricity has to start somewhere 😀
He said his name was in the Carden Lloyd Carrier. So his name must be Lindy Carrier
Oddly, the B1 is top of my list as well, though I haven’t recorded it yet.
you need to do some ww1 tanks!
You can't spoil your own video that you haven't made yet! (Or is it a fake spoiler to throw us off the scent?)
As a French-American, this is one we just can't justify or defend. Somua s35!
Lloyd said all those things about the Char B, but I have seen his model kit of it. He took quite a while to make that thing very well made 😂
@Jjohnno 87 How about "least bad?"
ITS FRENCH.
Lindy's camouflage blends in with the Tiger.
72 Tons what were they thinking? Change of outfit for continuity!
Its French. Loved it.
Lindybeige has such a chaotic energy, I love it.
He does!! 😂 Absolute wildman!
It gets old really fast
@@DrLoverLover REALLY fast! Agreed!!
@@skeletonmakesgood Why? It's hilarious and also great he's so passionate about it.
@@dudeguybro I am glad that you and many others enjoy his schtick. I just find it becomes tiresome. Only my opinion, which I likely should try harder to keep to myself!
I'm with Lindy here. "Bovington Tank Museum" is a way cooler name than "The Tank Museum" - the latter is boring and generic. The former has distinction and class.
I kinda understand the renaming, Bovington Tank Museum sounds very provincial and somewhat unimpressive. The Tank Museum on the otherhand is a pretty good description of its scale lol
it has PRESENTATION!!!!
I was at junior leaders regiment in the 80’s directly across the road and we always called it The Tank Museum. As far as I’m concerned there is only one Tank Museum….
@Anthony Gaughan @Robbson These are fair point. Similarly, the English F.A. Cup is simply called 'The F.A. Cup', it doesn't need to be distinguished with an adjective - everyone the world over (who is interested in football) knows exactly what that specifically means. But then again, that's how it's always been referred to, not after re-branding....
So, all-in-all, I side with Lindybeige on this one, but.... if officially calling it 'The Tank Museum' is essential to the museum's functional survival, then so be it.
_Musée des blindés Saumur_ or _Panzermuseum Munster_ are nice names! Why not Bovington?
This guy, together with James Holland, Chris Barrie and Guy Walters should get together to make a military version of Top Gear. It would be both informative and hilarious at the same time.
YES
Need chieftain in there as well.... Possibly a few others for special things. 👀😅
Wow what a great call
@@dillonpierce7869The Chieftan would be playing the part of James May.
@@wbertie2604 I mean Nick Moran chieftain on that one not the tank itself. 😅
What a wonderful Present for the Holidays! Merry Christmas to all at the BOVINGTON TANK MUSEUM!😉
I can't wait until the day I get to go to bovington tank museum!
I’m going next week
I'm gonna be the geek that points out you all got the name wrong. It's: "the tank museum; bovington".
Lindy is wrong.
But only on this. 🤣
Merry Christmas all
Yes, Lindy is right. For me, as a german, its "Bovington". I mean, Bovington is worldwide a synonym for " Tank Museum" So all others named themselfes " tank museum " like Munster in Germany and all the others round the planet. The only one , wich doesnt need that, is Bovington, because Bovington is THE TANK MUSEUM! Thanks for your incredible work and unique presentation....
It´s like calling the German national team Die Mannschaft. Like, no. Don´t do that.
BOVINGTON FOREVER!
wonderfully well presented and some great info in the entertainment!
Unfortunately some of it is just historically incorrect, particularly the Tiger I spiel.
Hey man, just want to say that I love your videos!
Its really bad actually. Its entertainment for people who play "world of tanks" rather than serious information the subject. The Tiger I commentary is mostly wrong. He doesn't understand what the JagdTiger was or what it was for (Hint - its a self-propelled anti-tank gun not a tank). And someone should explain to him that they had these things called "trains" for moving things around. And you have to put things in the context of when they were built (like the Char-B) and what they were in opposition to. The Char-B was an early 1930s design.
Seemed pretty accurate to me.
@@Jim-Tuner Gosh Jim - I bet he didn't know *that* about the JagdTiger
much
"It has a palpable gravitational field!"
Henceforth that will be my description of the weight of the Jagdtiger.
"Satan's paperweight"
It will destroy your watch if you get too close.
It's also the basis of a bunch of yo-Mama jokes
@@Angrybogan Du jadtiger est so über das...
Your jadtiger is so big that it...
(sorry, we only spoke a spattering of German at home).
And the crazy part?
It was STILL not as bad as the Ferdinand.
Legend has it he's been wandering around the Bovington grounds since he made his Top 5 tanks video
At one point he was living in the WWI trench display.
Well, at the least he's still mad at the French, that's for sure!
By now he's dug his way out and he has a tunnel that lets him enter at will through the back of a supply closet.
Lindy Berg and Solfien should get together sometime. Would be interesting to see who out speed talked the other - ! 😁
@@simongee8928 given the weird sexual tension when she met Chieftain - it would be a...very strange video.
It's absolutely amazing how _mad_ you got at the Tortoise. Just _scolding_ it like a bad dog.
I think he is a little bit mad...
He hates the tiger too... 🙄
The tortoice and T95 actually seem to make sense to me. They were designed as specialist instruments to smash extremely powerful defensive lines. Not to be used as traditional tanks. In that context the extremely poor reliability and heavy support demands they would have inveitably have had make sense as a reasonable trade off.
@@CS-zn6pp well yes the tiger is kinda overrated dont get me wrong still a great tank
It's a Basil Fawlty reference. I was expecting him to start hitting it with a tree...
Thanks!
Loving this, he's bonkers, and that is exactly what is needed. Passion and knowledge in an eccentric way only the British can get away with ... love it .
Concerning the Tiger he presented made up babble as fact.
He’s like a missing Monty Python member 😂
I agree 100%. Bovington is just too awesome and British a name to abandon so callously. FOR BOVINGTON, LADS!
Foreign tourists didn't recognize it, which (to an outside consultant who specializes in these things) means they were leaving fat wads of cash on the table by not scraping and bowing to every wallet that flies in from Heathrow and might be persuaded to buy a ticket to the museum simply on the novelty aspect. A ludicrous concept, but one I've heard made many, many times in my business.
Bovington has delusions it is the Smithsonian just waiting for the right kind of branding to make it self-sustaining on tickets alone. It isn't, and it never will be. It's a specialized museum with a long, specialized tradition based on the tank establishment at Bovington, and will require donations from tank nerds until the day the planet is swallowed by the sun. Why not just be really good to the people who care about you?
It makes me want a nice mug of Bovril and I'm not even British
Ive been in bovington for the summer festival, for 4 times, and its a Great show of a Great museum.
But in my opinion, the Musée des Blindés at Saumur in the north of France, near the belgium border, its more complete. Afterall is got the biggest collection of tanks, armored cars, AG, Apc's, AFV's, etc in the world, abaut 800 vehicles, wich is Mad, and not all of them are in the exposition because There are no room available for so many veichles.
And got the only mint condition and runnig KingTiger, wich by the way, my favorite tank of all times.
And like in bovington you can see all of them running around. Brilliant, like bovington, But a little better to me.
@@jpmtlhead39 I've been to both and I prefer Bovington. Yes, Saumur has a better collection, but they don't put any care or attention into the presentation of the collection.
If you've been to the back rooms/storage area in Bovington and seen all those tanks in a blank empty hangar, packed in like sardines, that's the entirety of Saumur but bigger. Saumur's vehicles are placed in rows like sardines in hangar after hangar, with very sparse areas of theming (the display of notable tank generals seemed interesting but I can't read French, and they don't give translations).
Bovington on the other hand has large boards full of historical photos, videos, a recreation of a WW1 trench network with a landship cresting it over you, as well as a more interesting layout. Even the temporary exhibit on the Afghan/middle east wars with the most modern stuff they had, was fully kitted out to look like a military camp with tents, gear, and artifacts. Saumur had tanks, and if you wanted more than tanks, sorry buddy.
@@Spidehman sorry for what,buddy...??!!!!
Its your opinion. Other people have diferent opinions. If you dont like it,its your problem,and if you cant read French,its your problem also,because between the 7 and 9 grade i had English and French as mandatory disciplines,with the option of having German has a third language,wich i did.
So,dont Blame Saumur for your shortcomings,buddy.
I’d love to have seen that 75mm gun firing on the Carden-Lloyd Carrier. Lmao What a sight that would’ve been.
Carden Lloyd:💥 *scoots back 40 feet*
“You ever played Halo and laughed at the ragdoll physics?”
@@PanzerFalcon2232 I don’t think that can legally be classified as a scoot.
I just want to know how they made to put the gun in the carrier
I'm imagining a man holding a string well away from it when they test fired that.
Lindybeige and Tanks go together like Christmas and hot chocolate. Merry Christmas!
Athefumen 👌🔫
Two fish in a tank. One fish says to the other, "You know how to drive this thing?"
Merry Christmas 🇨🇦
This was a big treat to wake up to! Merry Christmas!!! 🎅🎁🎄
Yes indeed merry christmas
It´s not that hard to read the hoax book to learn that your lil magician was not born in winter. Even the pope said it.
Absolutely love the tank museum, I went there for tank fest and had to use a wheel chair cause my spine was causing me problems and everyone was so helpful and kind, one member of staff even opened one of my favourite tanks and showed me how the whole tank worked when he wasn't ment to but it was an amazing experience. Would love to work there one day.
Thank you for making my year in one day tank museum!
I'll always remember reading Otto Carius' accounts of the war when he was given command of 4 Jagdtigers, he was just exasperated the whole time. Both with the vehicles themselves and the ineptitude of the commanders in his charge.
I just read it a few weeks ago.
A heavy, expensive tank killer with a 2 round per minute rate of fire was the last thing the Germans needed at that juncture. Much like Zimmerit, it represented a fundamental misunderstanding of the actual enemy they were facing & the needs of an Army eating it's shoelaces while trying to fight a defensive battle against said numerically-overwhelming enemy. You don't use a 20lb sledgehammer when you've got one arm in a sling and you're being zerg rushed by 50 rats at a time.
If they'd been playing with a full deck, they'd have made StuG IIIs with KwK40s until the end of the war.
I remember particularly his story about an engagement against a column of Shermans at long range with his platoon of Jagdtigers. They shot them, Shermans shot back, and he ordered his driver to reverse.
The driver, who was an idiot, turned around.
The Shermans got a clean penetration on the now exposed side.
Yup...
If you need to kill something (anything, really) right in front of you, really, Really, REEEEEEEEEEEEALLY hard? The Jagdtiger is your vehicle.
If you need anything even slightly resembling functional utility? LOL, nope.
@@builder396 There was another case when 2 Jagdtigers were facing a column of allied tanks but opted to withdraw rather than engage. 1 Jagdtiger promptly broke down, the second tried to tow it away and also broke down and both vehicles had to be blown up having achieved absolutely nothing!
Just to note: There is a fundemental difference between the Jagdtiger and Tortoise. The Jagdtiger was made to knock out the Russian heavies on the Eastern front, while the Tortoise was an Assault Tank, much like the American T95, intended to Assault heavily defended positions. Like the Siegfried Line of Western Germany.
While this is very true, Tortoise, T95 and Jagdtiger (and I have the KV-.2 on that same list) were all useless. No one in WW2 ever broke through a bunker line with heavy or super-heavy tanks. I think every country at some point just overdid it. The 8,8 cm L71 was perfect for killing every enemy tank uncludiing IS-2. Why mounting a gun which theoretically belongs on a destroyer on a platform that is notoriously unreliable ? They knew it from Tiger II and they could never sort it out (which would have meant melting the thing and rebuild from scratch).
There's a reason basically no one makes this style of massively armored, casemate tanks anymore. It's a fundamentally flawed, inflexible design
@@Yourantsally yes and technology has come a long way since then. But at the time it was a solution to get a mixture of a ridiculously large done and armor into a usable package. A lot of the Soviet case-mates we're not actually designed to fight tanks but to assault fortification. By not having a turret it allowed them to fit a larger gun onto the vehicle and a little bit more armor.
But yes they're definitely something of a bygone era.
@@clonescope2433 as soon as subcaliber rounds and heat became the standard, it wasn't necessary
@@ottovonbismarck2443 While I am inclined to agree with most points, the Jagdtiger would have had the only gun on the field which could have had any success taking out an IS-3 if the Soviets had completed them just a few months earlier. The Germans saw where Soviet armor was going and attempted to preemtively counter it. Although, it should have been mounted on a reliable, light and fast chassis. I wonder if the Panzer 4 could have accomodated the gun on an open mounting.
The KV-2 was more or less a leftover (Pretty successful in theory) concept vehicle from the Winter War. Its incredibly specific and they dropped production of it as the game changed. The story of how 1 KV-2 kept Kampfgruppe Raus of the 6th Panzer Division at bay for a full day during the Battle of Raseiniai was a testament to its psychological effect and its ability to take hits. In that case, a mobile bunker with a bunker killing gun was just what the doctor ordered.
Good old Lindybeige. Always entertaining and I could listen to him for hours, just like Jingles.
Jingles is more for the vibes, entertaining in his own way, but not that informative.
Lindybeige is informative, and he is like that one teacher from your childhood that was actually passionate about his job, and extremely inspiring
@@miltoska9708 Eh he definitely can be, but the less opinionated he is on a topic im trying to be informed in, the better usually. Unless i'm just watching for the eccentric opinions for the lulz
@@miltoska9708 I wish Jingles would do more videos like what he did in his early career ua-cam.com/video/tTEBkzPlSrQ/v-deo.html
My grandfather was in Italy and north Africa, he was in the 34th division which saw more combat time than any other division in the ETO. He saw quite a few tigers in his time, every single time abandoned on the side of a road.
The WWII equivalent of anything with a Dodge/Jeep/Ram badge on it today. 4WD trails are littered with those things.
Lloyd is a treasure. I believe he's the best all-around lecturer on UA-cam. His passion and joy for his subjects come through effortlessly and with even the smallest modicum of interest will sweep you along for an entertaining ride.
But sadly he already told you in the video that he doesn't care what you ( or anyone else) thinks. 😮
It's a good thing the Lloyd tankette did not had any legacy: I can't imagine someone like the Italians making an entire line of vehicles based on it and using them in the entire duration of the second world war as assault vehicles, maybe even giving them flamethrowers and anti tank cannons, that would have been a disaster for them.
Good thing it didn't happen
I love L3's
The newest version of the Leopard 2 is also called A7V, which I think is a really cute nod to the first german tank.
And now for something completely different!! Nobody communicates military history like Lindy! He channels John Cleese so well. Very Pythonesque, and brilliantly done, sir.
Its more Rick Myall. Less smarm and more shouty.
That's who I was thinking, he sounds like.
Always think of Monty Python when I watch his videos 😂
The only surviving A7V can be seen at southbank museum in Brisbane Australia, it was captured by a bunch of Aussies in France
The Canberra war museum is also cool. It has a MkIV tank.
There are more A7Vs again. In the shape If Leopard 2s.
And the story surrounding its capture is violently, unapologetically Australian.
Mephisto! I'm wearing it on a T-shirt as we speak.
I don't know if the A7V was an effective vehicle, but as a kid growing up and visiting the Queensland museum it was pretty cool to see a 90-year-old tank and wonder how exactly it got all the way from Europe to Brisbane.
@@Ninjat126 playing on that thing was a core childhood memory for alot of Queensland kids!
@Lindybeige is far and away my favorite UA-cam historian! As a former tanker I love this video and the way he gets into the real life aspects of these vehicles. Not just focusing on biggest gun, best armor, fastest etc but the maintenance and crew required. Tanks break themselves just existing.
He clearly knows very little about the Tiger though. He's presented made up babble as fact.
Oh thats a great Christmas present, thank you very much 👍
I was barely able to see Lindy in front of the Tiger! Incredible camouflage, well done!
Us: Yay, Lindybeige!
Bovington: *sigh* have the tranquilizers on standby…
Edit: C’mon guys, there are better comments to like than this one…
@@luksweam They remembered to add air holes, right?
Lol
@@fuzzyhead878 Oh, air hole. I thought you said something else, sorry.
Slightly funnier if you had said tranquilizer darts on standby.
Two fish in a tank. One fish says to the other, "You know how to drive this thing?"
Merry Christmas 🇨🇦
"This tank is so big it has a palpable gravitational field!" I've laughed so hard, from now on I'm watching every Lindybeige video. This man is a master standup comedian!
What a great Christmas present, and one I didn't expect AT ALL!
Lindeybeige's bottom five tanks! Side-splittingly funny!
Thanks Tank Museum, and Merry Christmas to you all!
More Beigery! Excellent stuff.
The A7V name is even worse if you know what it means: Abteilung 7, Verkehrswesen. (Department 7, Motor Vehicles)
I kinda like it, though. The Germans were unimpressed by the performance early British designs, so it was built to completely different specifications.
It wasn't meant to cross trenches and shell holes, it was supposed to be more of a mobile bunker to provide fire support. In the rare cases it was used as intended, it actually performed quite well; it's road speed was better, had thicker armour and a really advanced command system that allowed the commanders to give orders without kicking people. But the German high command didn't believe in it either, so almost none were built.
After seeing the later Mk. IV and V, they changed their stance and started developing traditional tanks, like the A7V-U, a rhomboid tank re-using many of the A7V's components, or the LK-II, which was basically a German Whippet. But they weren't completed before the war ended and the prototypes were scrapped or sold. (The LK-II became the Swedish Stridswagn m/21)
Further Listening: ua-cam.com/video/ESKxi4EEDUQ/v-deo.html (The curator of the Deutsches Panzermuseum on the A7V)
it was also built using pre-war notions for a tank, that it would be a way to bring a big gun up to the enemy with armor. Both britain and france built examples of this principle, though the brits rightly abandoned the concept and moved onto the romboid tanks
@JZ's Best Friend Lolz :D
@JZ's Best Friend : In swedish language a ,stridsvagn' is a tank. In german language a ,Streitwagen' is a war chariot.
@JZ's Best Friend : Not really , this ,Stridsvagn' would be in current german , Kriegswagen'/ war waggon. Nowadays we germans call war Krieg. But: A battle axe is in german a ,Streitaxt' and a mace is a , Streitkolben'. Also in german funeral song ,Ich hatte einen Kameraden'/ the good comrade ( written 1809) , die Trommel schlug zum Streite'/ the drum called to war( battle) . Once ,Streit' meant war, not like nowadays tension/ quarrel.
Fun fact Leopard 2A7V is the newest and best tank of NATO.
Cannot disagree with anything this gentleman has brought up. Well done.
I’m just stunned that there are people who think the Tiger has a good turret traverse.
Bren gun is superior to the mg42
Ps France sucks 😅
@@samholdsworth420 oh boy I can hear the wheraboos screaming right now about how you’re wrong lmao. However I agree with you lol
_Cannot disagree with anything this gentleman has brought up_
Word of advice: don't take what Lindy says at face value. He has been wrong many times before. His hilariously partial take on Napoleon or the whole Spandau affair are two good examples.
I love his vocabulary whilst ripping the tanks a new one. I absolutely love it and would pay more to see more.
Lindybeige is always super entertaining and educational to listen to!
Bad tortoise, BAD !! We love you Lindy !
Brilliant, Lloyd. I have a soft spot for the Char B myself - I made the Matchbox kit (which came with a delightfully teeny little Renault FT-17) years ago, and was taken by just how odd it looked.
me too.. did it have a little diorama with a house?
That was the Airfix kit if I recall.
At least it was'nt a Citroen.
@@OrlandoDibiskitt Same here
@@OrlandoDibiskitt - A section of street with a ruined wall. It came with two nicely detailed French soldiers. I gave one of mine a bike from an old Airfix kit.
Well, I have to say that that is quite some Christmas present. Really high production values made for a much more interesting video -- hang on, what am I saying? Yes, that's right, a much more interesting video than usual Lindybeige videos, which are phenomenally interesting. Loved it. Oh, and by the way, I know you read the comments because you replied to me.
As a point of note: Being called "The Tank Museum" is really ambiguous, and frankly confusing. No matter how hard you try or how successful it ends up being, it is not going to be popular or ubiquitous enough to be recognised by that name alone because it's not the only tank museum of note, and is probably never going to be. If someone asks me "Have you been to The Tank Museum?" I am going to ask them which one. Being called "Bovington Tank Museum" or "The British Tank Museum", or something similar, on the other hand, is more than distinguished enough because that's a full proper title, and I much preferred the old name.
Better yet, name it "The Tank".
Also non English speaking countries "the" does not often mean anything, so it would be just a tank museum. Not very informatic. What, where...
Not to mention when places like the Kubinka tank museum exist.
The Tank Museum at Bovington would be my name of choice. Best of both worlds.
What maroons came up with this crap?
These are my favorite kind of videos among the various types of content you do. I’m sure it takes a lot of research but you explain it all so naturally and casually that it’s extremely watchable and understandable. Not necessarily about tanks but explaining objects of war and other interesting objects of historical note.
Edit: I just realized this isn’t the Lindybeige channel. Anyway my point still stands, but the “you” in my comment is directed to Lloyd not the museum. But having Lloyd host your videos is a banger of an idea.
That was great fun. Thanks
No... Tank you...
The Char B did have a very precise way of turning the tank the Naeder transmission could turn the tank in intervals of less than a degree however it was very complex and thus prone to maintenance issues especially as it required castor oil and during the war a lot of French formations were created from scratch lacked proper training and used pharmaceutical castor oil not industrial castor oil causing many a headache (S35 units also had issues were inexperienced crews would accidently only fill up the smaller of the two fuel tanks and thus the tank would run out of fuel and have to be abandoned) and the last batch if B1s made had a 75mm in a ball mount that could traverse sideways and these was going to be standard in the B1 ter. As for the so called weak spot on the side of the B1 that is a myth as the grill was specially designed to have the same effective thickness as the side. The myth comes from a single engagement at Stonne where in Gudarians diary he made the claim, however further examination of the historical records from both the French and the Germans including photographs of the tank clearly show the tank in question was not taken out by a Anti-Tank shell to the vent but was abandoned by it's own crew after the transmission broke down and that was almost certainly due to the inexperienced crew mishandling the tank in question.
it should also be noted that although in a mobile battle of 1940 the B1 performed badly in 1944 when fighting against entrenched German forces they performed exceptionally well where they were used to great effect against the German fortifications at Royan, Pontilliac, and La Rochelle proving to be much more effective than the Sherman's as the shell on the Char b1s 75mm Howitzer had a much bigger High Explosive charge than any other Allied tank except the Churchill AVRE.
Thank you.
It was the French Tiger in terms of cost vs effectiveness. Brilliant when it worked, a liability when it didn't and to be fair most of the tanks he considers bad fall into that category. I like the Char B, it has personality and it's armour and guns were effective for it's time.
I would also like to add that the side armor is the same thickness as the front, its just the lack of slope. It was still practically immune against all German guns of the time short of maybe 10.5cm howitzers, but I doubt Germans were that desperate at the time.
@@builder396 From what i understand, during the rush into France, the German tanks juts kind of ignored the B1's, they just went around them.
Also got to love his passion it’s really fantastic, passion and accuracy.
congrats Lindybeige on being chosen.
5.GLC - why didn't they use a 80/110mm recoil-less rifle? as mobile AA.
4. Tiger 1 - big scary, asthmatic
3. Tortiose - tank that looks like a naval Barbette
2. A7V - landed whale
1. escapee from warhammer 40k - Vanquisher, just as useless
I've just come across this channel and I have to say, this comment section is the most civilized and polite section I've ever come across.
Hope you all had a wonderful Holiday weekend!
I can't stop smiling. Bravo, Lindy Beige! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all at the Tank Museum!
Two fish in a tank. One fish says to the other, "You know how to drive this thing?"
Merry Christmas 🇨🇦
And the other tank says “Best job I ever had!”
Point of note: The transmission of the Char B did allow the driver to precisely point the gun at any target within its intended range. It was probably involving a trick that used variable displacement of both the hydraulic pump and hydraulic motor to allow for very large ratios, very small ratios, and everything in between. As a cost saving measure, they later went with a simpler transmission and added a small amount of traverse to the main gun.
Even the bottom 5 are brought with a flair only he could bring. Love his videos and that of the Tank Museum.
By the way, with measures tightened due to Covid I do hope we can see videos featuring David Wiley again doing in depth videos while his dog taking care of the light touch. Throough;y enjoyed those too.
And I hope one day the BTM will do a series of interviews with veteran tankers worldwide some day. Tanks are great machines, but the crews operating them made them come alive.
Listening to Lindy rip on anything is just awesome
Lloyd, Poles used the TK-3 and TKS tankettes based on the Carden Lloyd in the september campaign. The 20mm autocannon version proved to be somewhat succesfull.
IIRC at least one Polish tank commander achieved Ace with a TK tank using the 20mm.
@@lostalone9320 At least two of the claimed tanks were Pz 35(t)s and one was a Pz IV Ausf B and I'm too lazy to find exactly what was attributed to him at Sierakow...
@@lostalone9320 ...HOW?
THEY ARE TANKS for the love of god
My assertion that Mr. L Beige is in fact mad has not been diminished by this video. He remains as entertaining as all heck though, great work
"I really dont like this tank. ITS FRENCH"
*nuff said*
To be fair, the french do have some good or silly things
@@osmacar5331 as shown in the latest Grand Tour 😄
I hear that reverse worked quite well
*The World:*
-Let's use some existing designs, maybe change these a bit, or maybe let's combine the strengths of all. Also, let's use only the things that are proven to work. Let's use common sense and keep it ergonomically as correct as possible. It could also look neat and tidy. Does not need to be beautiful!
*Le French:*
-Le German et Britanniques - ceux miserable designé... Not very the solution d'ingénierie révolutionnaire.
Not weirdé enoughé! These Britishé... Le petits dessinateurs. What a hideux et terrible... le horrible dessigné! Ouffx.. Non!
Le non originale conception. Extrêmement!
We need the designê du exceptionnel L'remarquablê innovant et inhabituel designêux!
@@osmacar5331 What the French don't do, is mediocre. only the extremes!
Hi. An American here. “Bovington” sounds like a place I should go to. “The Tank Museum” sounds like it’s a tourist trap on the side of the interstate. Still looks like a cool place though. Cheeys m8!
Fantastic energy, charmingly hysteric.
Best UA-cam clip I have watched recently.
Top!!!
A Lindybeige video on TANKS! ? It's a Christmas miracle!
It's like getting an Official Red Ryder carbine action two-hundred shot range model air rifle on Christmas morning. 🇨🇦
🎁🎅🌟☃️🎄 ❄️🦌
What a great, instructive and comic presentation Lindybeige your enthusiasm is contagious.
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas and a prosperous and above all healthy 2022.
Greetings from Holland.
LA-LA-LA, nothing you can say will me stop loving the Tiger, no matter how right you are!
I always love Lindybeige for his frantic and humourous delivery. Very enjoyable video, and happy Christmas everybody!
i Am not Agree with Lindy totally !
You guys want to go and watch Jonathan Parshall's talk on Tiger Production and why it was a really bad idea. You can supplement it with one of Chieftain's from last week about tank myths where he talks of the economic value of tank for money of the Panther.
I like the Tiger too, but it was a really bad idea and gave very little value for the money.
Merry Xmas.
@@PalleRasmussen Oh yeah, Lindy's spot on, but he's also right in that when I think of TANK! the first image that springs to mind for me is the Tiger followed closely by the King Tiger. They just look the part, you know? All big, blocky, loud and stupid.
@@iDEATH The massproduction tactic with lighter tanks would`nt work for germany why germany have less Population .The drivers needed more protection ,why the Germans didnt had many to sacrifice !
The Lighter Tank tactic wouldnt had work for germany .
Why Germany didnt had the Population .
And didnt had many drivers to sacrifice .
Lindybeige: - Living proof that if you have enough child like excitement and passion about a topic you never need to provide references.
To his credit he did state these were the tanks he disliked, not the tanks that were actually rubbish.
@@lostalone9320 I started to reply to this and realised that (a) basically I was procrastinating and (b) no one was going to read over 750 words discussing how engineering works in the real world, the reasons they built Convenanters and how much I like the colour green the Tortoise is finished in. This is UA-cam. No one comes here to read anything longer than 150 words.
So... basically - Lindybeige is a successful entertainer who has large amounts of passion and excitement which distracts from the fact that more often than not he is openly displaying a very poor understanding of the topic. That is my claim. The Tortoise does not need to be a valuable piece of equipment to disprove my claim.
To be honest if Lindybeige did know what he was talking about he would more likely than not have never reached the success he has achieved. He is passionate. He gets excited. Watching one of his videos is like going on an adventure as we bounce around getting really excited about things. He himself openly admits in many of his videos that he is making a video because he has no idea why a Something is a Something and wants to work out why. A lot of people enjoy his personality and his style and he gets to go home each night and roll around on his massive piles of UA-cam Dollars. Probably. That's how UA-cam works once you get over 1000 subscribers, right?
All of this make him a successful entertainer.
None of that makes him a subject matter expert.
It takes backbone and integrity to add Tiger I to this list. Congratulations.
Or butt hurt.
The Cardon Loyd would be one of my favourites. It's one of the few military vehicles that would fit in my small garage. And it would cost a lot less to run than a Tiger.
I would dearly love one of the Australian Bren carriers that they put a 2lbr onto!
I wouldn't get much use out of it, having no Cardon Loyds to carry in it.
It's like a tank equivalent of the Austin Seven.
Love it
Lindybeige is a legend
Lindy Beige while doing Top 5 Tanks : "Tiger.Tiger.Tiger.Tiger.Tiger.Tiger."
Lindy Beige while doing Bottom 5 Tanks : "Do not pull a tiger with another tiger"
I thought the only German tank he used in his top 5 was the jagdpanther…
I believe that was Al Murray...
@@martinwebb3017 It was. Unless you didn't enjoy it, in which case it was Dan Snow.
There was no tiger in his top 5..?
@@sirspaceface See the two comments immediately above yours.
Im planning a trip for next summer to the U.K. and the Tank museum will be scheduled in for one of those days. Really awsome looking place and looking forward to seeing it in person.
Great video. I do not think I ever realized how entertaining such analysis could be..
The Carden Loyd was the first tankette. It was actually in service when the tankette "idea" was at its most valuable. It also provided a useful starting point for many mechanised armies across the world after tank development stalled post WWI.
You can see precisely where the tankette fitted in at the time of its conception.
Last war, trenches, machineguns massively effective on defence, but not mobile enough to accompany the attack.
Big tanks can break the deadlock.
Why not put our machinegunners in a little tank so they can accompany the advance.
Great idea until the "proper tank" Mobile, armoured and 3 man turret arrives.
ya germany and russia used tanklettes to train and develop tank doctrine and crews before they had proper tanks
It obviously could be an ammo carrier like a jeep. Transport stretchers. Maybe a tea brew station on the front.
id say the ft17 was the 1st tankette.
@@thurin84 Excellent point. There was a crop of little tanks - designed to accompany the breakthrough. FT17, Whippet, and the German one that looked like the whippet (Maybe didn't enter service).
Mostly machinegun armed, but designed for speed (relative to their big brothers and sisters).
Likely conceived to do the job that the armoured cars of 1914 did, but with improved offroad ability.
Guderian reckoned the Whippet was the most terrifying British weapon, nerfed because the British insist it operate alongside horsed cavalry.
So something that could have rolled through a machinegun barrage (fingers crossed), had to halt every time the Germans started brassing up the horses.
I hope that Lindy had a good cuppa, a biscuit and a nice lie down after this extensive period of ranting. The poor fellow could do himself an injury otherwise!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to Tank Enthusiasts around the world.
Mark from Melbourne Australia
While it might be tempting to say that building more Panzer 4s would have been better than building Tigers because of their high cost, the reality is that Germany was already struggling to find crews for the tanks that they had, so introducing thousands of more tanks would have only exacerbated that problem, not to mention the logistical needs that having more tanks would bring.
Also, it's important to consider that Panzer 4s simply couldn't do everything that a Tiger could and that when you consider their performances and especially the moral effect that Tiger's had on both sides, Tiger's were the more efficient solution by far. Which of course, isn't meant to say that they couldn't have been more efficient, the Tiger's design was very complicated and the Germans should have done many things to simplify their design and production.
I highly recommend both The Chieftain's video on the Tiger (Title: A controversial opinion of Tiger) and Millitary History Visualized video on the Tiger (Title: How effective was the Tiger really?) for a more detailed breakdown of the Tiger's performance and an explanation of why the Tiger performed the way it did.
So in other words, Hitler was insane.
Correct! From another comment of mine:
It is easy to say "Oh, we can make two Panzer IVs for every one Tiger I. Easy choice!". Except tanks don't operate in a vacuum.
Panzer IVs are organized into Panzer battalions, each with an authorized strength of around 75. They are part of a Panzer regiment. But a Panzer regiment doesn't fight alone, it is part of a Panzer division. First off, it needs infantry support. So in come the Panzergrenadier regiment (with the infantry being transporte in Sd.Kfz. 251 halftracks), and the adjacent Grenadier regiment, motorised, with everyone on trucks.
You then need artillery support: enter the artillery regiment, with three batteries, mixed, heavy and light, all either self propelled or towed. That means Wespes, Hummels, leFH18, sFH18, prime movers... you know the drill.
Moving on, the division then needs an anti tank battalion for defensive purposes, which would be equipped with Jagdpanzer IVs and towed PaK 40s (so more halftracks)
All this concentration of men and material is sure to draw the attention of enemy aircrafts. So the Flak battalion forms part of the division, equipped with 2 cm, 3,7 cm and 8,8 cm AA guns. Everything that is not self propelled has to be towed and transported too, of course. Lorries and halftracks are required. You are also going to need some 600 mm searchlights.
And finally you need engineers, to guarantee the safe crossing of obstacles and the construction of field defences. The Pioneer battalion assumed those duties and, of course, it was also self propelled, which meant even more vehicles.
And I am leaving a lot of stuff uncovered: signal battalion, the motor pool, the sanitation services, clerks, medis, food services, postal services... and everything has to be motorised, of course.
In the end, for each 160 new Panzer IVs, we need:
* 14.500 men
* 9.000 rifles
* 3.000 pistols
* 1.500 submachineguns
* 1.300 machineguns
* 70 mortars
* 60 howitzers
* 120 FlaK guns
* 4 600 mm searchlights
* 13 PaK 40s
* 11 Pz Bef Wg Panzer IV
* 4 Bergepanzer III
* 86 Flakpanzers
* 280 Sd.Kfz. 250/251 halftracks.
* 16 recon vehicles
* 21 Jagdpanzer IVs
* 6 Hummels + 12 Wespe, and a similar number of munitions vehicles.
* 5 Observation tanks
* 300 Kettenkrads
* 170 motorcycles
* 650 cars
* 1443 trucks (!)
* 136 Maultier
* 58 ambulances
* 18 buses
* 160 trailers
* 125 prime movers.
Having more tanks at onces is incredibly expensive. And I haven't even mentioned how much fuel this would require, or the strategic resources, nor the crews needed to operate them...
@@VRichardsn Oh wow geez that's quite extensive, I knew about all this in broad strokes but I didn't have the numbers, thank you!
Honestly, the thing that seems the strangest to me is the presence of the 18 buses, I would have assumed trucks would have done their job and that buses would be somewhat unsuitable for operating in the field.
@@lowesmanager8193 My take is that they would be strictly rear area vehicles, for non combat personnel. Like moving clerks, medics, etc.
Another factor is that by the end of the war the Panzer 4 was also rather unreliable (to a similar extent as the Panther), so making more of them wasn’t going to help reliability either.
Really love his energy and passion, even when talking about tanks he doesn't like.
Producing more Panzer IVs is not a simple choice. Even if two tanks of a certain type cost as much as one tank of another type, we must remember that tanks do not fight in a vacuum. Panzer IVs are organized into Panzer battalions, each with an authorized strength of around 75. They are part of a Panzer regiment. But a Panzer regiment doesn't fight alone, it is part of a Panzer division. First off, it needs infantry support. So in come the Panzergrenadier regiment (with the infantry being transporte in Sd.Kfz. 251 halftracks), and the adjacent Grenadier regiment, motorised, with everyone on trucks.
You then need artillery support: enter the artillery regiment, with three batteries, mixed, heavy and light, all either self propelled or towed. That means Wespes, Hummels, leFH18, sFH18, prime movers... you know the drill.
Moving on, the division then needs an anti tank battalion for defensive purposes, which would be equipped with Jagdpanzer IVs and towed PaK 40s (so more halftracks)
All this concentration of men and material is sure to draw the attention of enemy aircrafts. So the Flak battalion forms part of the division, equipped with 2 cm, 3,7 cm and 8,8 cm AA guns. Everything that is not self propelled has to be towed and transported too, of course. Lorries and halftracks are required. You are also going to need some 600 mm searchlights.
And finally you need engineers, to guarantee the safe crossing of obstacles and the construction of field defences. The Pioneer battalion assumed those duties and, of course, it was also self propelled, which meant even more vehicles.
And I am leaving a lot of stuff uncovered: signal battalion, the motor pool, the sanitation services, clerks, medis, food services, postal services... and everything has to be motorised, of course.
In the end, for each 160 new Panzer IVs, we need:
* 14.500 men
* 9.000 rifles
* 3.000 pistols
* 1.500 submachineguns
* 1.300 machineguns
* 70 mortars
* 60 howitzers
* 120 FlaK guns
* 4 600 mm searchlights
* 13 PaK 40s
* 11 Pz Bef Wg Panzer IV
* 4 Bergepanzer III
* 86 Flakpanzers
* 280 Sd.Kfz. 250/251 halftracks.
* 16 recon vehicles
* 21 Jagdpanzer IVs
* 6 Hummels + 12 Wespe, and a similar number of munitions vehicles.
* 5 Observation tanks
* 300 Kettenkrads
* 170 motorcycles
* 650 cars
* 1443 trucks (!)
* 136 Maultier
* 58 ambulances
* 18 buses
* 160 trailers
* 125 prime movers.
As you can see... having more tanks at onces is incredibly expensive. And I haven't even mentioned how much fuel this would require, or the strategic resources, nor the crews needed to operate them...
Good point and well made
Wow! Love the many Zingers Lindy throws out.
Including "Leave a comment, or not. Frankly I don't care."
What a lovely gift
A rather dull grey Xmas eve has suddenly been livened up by an unexpected Lindybeige vid, oh joy 🤗👍💥
Love, how's he's standing on the tanks and demonstrating with such energy.
Love the energy he brings to this
I love watching Lloyd give measurements with his body, completely and oblivious to the fact that he’s a giant.
Basically Lindy is a Light Tank Doctrinist
I must admit i found it very funny when he started yelling "bad tortoise" like trying to discipline the badly behaved pet and then we get the ads from the Tank Museum
Pre-Christmas Lindybeige and tanks! Brilliant entertainment.
What a great Christmas surprise. Loved it.
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good-night.
My late Father-in-law was in the 50th Northumbrian Inf. Div. in North Africa, Italy and Northern Europe. In fact his Battalion of the Green Howards landed on Gold Beach on 6th of June. At one time he was attached to an anti-tank battery and he said the number of times they prepared to meet a Tiger 1 only to find out it was a Mk4 were far more numerous than the times they did meet a Mk6. Of those he did see, almost all had either broken down or been knocked out, usually by artillery or naval guns.
A7V: the only tank that was more feared after the crew disembarked.
Char-B: the best WWI tank ever! Unfortunately, it didn't appear until WWII.
Yes, ww1. The Germans feared and coveted the British tanks so used their famed technical brilliance to make a badly armoured shoe box that couldn't go anywhere.
Throw a two-foot rock in front of it and it has to stop!
@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 And the driver wouldn't know why because he can't see anything !
The first model. But do you english language ,betterknowers/ Besserwisser' laugh about german tanks of 1940 to now?
@@brittakriep2938 LOL - love that German "sense of humour".
😂😂
Great way to end the year!
I have visited THE BOVINGTON TANK MUSEUM and it is was well worth the visit but next time I intend to visit over two or three days to get the chance to see and soak up everything. 👍👍👊😊.
I fully concur with your reasoning. Excellent video, thank you.
Lindy has a point tbh you guys have a good name.
Yes true but it is the first so it has the right to be called The Tank Museum. I mean all the others should need qualification.
The tennis competition lol good comparison
@@fibber2u oh am by no means denying that, plus it's the birthplace of the tank, where do you think tank fest is held, on the proving grounds.
@@LankyAssMofka no sense at all...
@@osmacar5331I'm just saying Bovington Tank Museum implies just another tank museum to the newcomer but The Tank Museum tells them it is the number one tank museum. They (The Tank Museum) are looking to the future but to look back a bit I say "What's in a name? That which we call Bovington
by any other name would smell as sweet" you shouldn't argue with Shakespeare (even in a baggy jumper and disintegrating boots).
You know that bottom 5 tanks will be amusing when you see Lindy Beige
You know it's going to be full of annoying British patriotism. Even when he picks a British tank he acts proud over it because it's worse than the Jagdtiger.
Carden lloyd tankette was a dangerous beast. I tripped over the one in Bovington and fell to the ground. When I got up it was stuck in the sole of my shoes until someone handed me a stick.
Nasty. The airborne version of the Lloyd Carrier can get into an eye and must be removed with eye wash.
@@Surv1ve_Thrive 😱 OMG!! It is very important to wipe in one direction only. From inner corner to outer corner☝🏼. ....no, wait! From outer corner to inner.....🤔...... Just remember: It is VERY important, or the tracks might injure your cornea.
And flush! Don't forget to flush your eyes!
Talk about an amazing Christmas Present!
Incredible production values, well done.
Lindybeige is the only man brave enough to talk about a tank then say it's not on the list
Bonus content, included in the main video ... brilliant idea (unlike these tanks).
13:32 I saw the centurion and almost had heart palpitations thinking it was the second worst on the list.
Lindybeige was one of the guys I wanted to see Bottom 5 tanks from and oh was it a delight! A truly great early Christmas present! Or though I have to disagree with him on the Char B1, yes it has it's flaws but overall I think it's a very underrated tank and it was actually one of the tanks (Along with the Matilda II) that inspired the Germans to build heavier tanks like the Tiger.
Bit silly to put the Tiger 1 there though, considering it was overall successful with the highest kill ratio of any tank of WW2.
@@lyndoncmp5751 I also disagree with Lindybeige's discussion to include Tiger I here, or though to be fair the flaws he pointed out about the Tiger are very valid but overall the Tiger did succeed in it's main purpose. I definitely agree with him on the A7V though.
Tanks at Christmas‽ Brilliant! Thanks to Lloyd and Bovington Tank Museum for such a wonderful present.
I just love this guy's enthusiasm 😀
Informative and enjoyable 👍
Great delivery thanks
Tigers in Italy. I had a translated German book on all the panzers. In the section on Tiger operations, they discussed a particular railroad embankment in Italy that over the course of a week destroyed an entire Tiger battalion, with no Allied intervention.
No Tiger battalion was destroyed in a week in Italy. Half a battalion was self sabotaged in summer 1944 when they ran out of fuel and the battalion commander was fired.
It is very easy to spot a lie like this, because... which of the very few battalions was "completely" destroyed? I assume you are talking about the 508:th heavy battalion