Thank you very much! This is such a brilliant and humbling insight: the observer and the observed arise together, as one seamless movement of reality. There is no world “out there” independent of the mind that perceives it, just as there is no separate self apart from the world it observes. Your analogy of the dream captures this perfectly-Consciousness simultaneously appears as the dreamed world and as the dreamer who walks through it. Thank you, Rupert, for pointing so clearly to this truth.
Yes , pointing to the dream experience was illuminating. Building further on it, just as one has heard of lucid dreaming bringing an unidentified being while dreaming , is there an analogous state in our awake, normal hours in which one palpably experiences the waking occurrences as dream like ? If so, how does the switch occur ?
@@Insaan0457 What a beautiful question. What you’re describing is, in fact, awakening or realization. It’s the recognition that, just as in a dream, the dreamer and the dreamed arise together, so too do the observer and the observed in waking life. When this is realized, waking occurrences are seen as unfolding within awareness, just like a dream unfolds within the mind. In traditions, this recognition is what defines an “awakened person”-one who no longer sees the world as separate from themselves but as an inseparable expression of the same Being.
Six minutes of a mind-blowing answer to a question, then the guy says that really wasn't his question. Rupert then goes on to give ANOTHER six-minute, mind-blowing answer.
From the perspective of a critique of Rupert Spira’s recent shift toward Ajatavada, the question raised -whether the infinite needing to localize itself to experience itself is inherently limiting-touches a key weakness in this line of teaching. Ajatavada’s claim that all appearances are illusions, with only the infinite being real, creates a significant paradox. It suggests that the infinite “needs” to appear as localized or fragmented in order to experience itself. But if the infinite is truly infinite, as the question rightly points out, why would it need any such process? Wouldn’t the infinite already contain the knowledge and experience of all possibilities within itself? The need for localization introduces a limitation that contradicts the very nature of the infinite. The Flaw in Ajatavada’s Logic Ajatavada denies the reality of forms while simultaneously relying on the existence of forms to convey its teachings. Spira’s analogy that consciousness must “dream” to experience itself creates a paradox. If the dream is not real, why does the infinite bother with it at all? This implies a gap or a lack within the infinite-a notion that directly undermines its all-encompassing and perfect nature. Our perspective, rooted in Islamic Irfan and metaphysical clarity, resolves this paradox by recognizing that the apparent forms (the “localization” the question refers to) are not separate from the infinite but are expressions of it. These forms are not “illusions” in the sense of being unreal but are reflections, manifestations, or modes through which the infinite reveals itself. This understanding preserves the infinite’s perfection while affirming the sacredness of its manifestations. The Iceberg and Ocean Analogy To clarify, consider the analogy of the iceberg and the ocean. The iceberg doesn’t exist independently of the ocean; it’s made entirely of water. However, its distinct form arises due to specific conditions. Ajatavada might call the iceberg an “illusion,” but this denies the sacred interplay between form and essence. While the iceberg doesn’t have independent existence, it’s not a falsehood either-it’s the ocean expressing itself in a specific way. From this perspective, the infinite doesn’t need to “localize” to experience itself; it already encompasses all possibilities. Localization isn’t a limitation but an expression of the infinite’s boundless creativity. Ajatavada’s dismissal of forms as illusory overlooks the profound truth that forms are reflections of the infinite’s attributes and actions (Asma wa Sifat). A More Coherent Perspective To the questioner and Spira’s followers: The infinite doesn’t localize itself because it lacks something or needs to know itself-it localizes, or manifests, as an act of its inherent nature. The infinite reveals itself through forms not out of necessity but as an overflowing of its essence. This revelation doesn’t diminish the infinite; it magnifies its boundless beauty and wisdom. Ajatavada, in its radical negation, strips the world of meaning and denies the sacredness of the journey. But true realization doesn’t come from dismissing forms as illusions-it comes from seeing the infinite in every form, understanding that the wave is not separate from the ocean and the iceberg is not other than water. This is where Rupert’s recent teachings fall short, while Islamic Irfan offers a more profound, holistic, and coherent approach.
Brilliant response. One thing that I notice about almost all questions in these kinds is forums is that the questioner is desperate to fit the universe to the limitations of their beliefs and desires. Mr.Spira is very kind in his response. I'm sure he's heard this question a thousand times. How do you explain the limitlessness of infinite imagination and states of being to one who has no imagination and doesn't even understand themselves? They come to be told what to know rather than the desire to truly learn through exploration of their own thoughts and perceptions.
We try so much to understand being (infinite consciousness), and seem to leave the idea of what it's doing alone, as if we cannot ever know any more in our finite form. I wish we could know more about how infinite being perceives its dreams, what it is seeking, it's understanding and it's way. The desire to connect with consciousness leads me to experience, that awareness means "I am", though in being "I am" also flows in a direction that takes you along with it (even without further perception or thought). The direction is toward being part of everything, therefore "I am" is also "I am searching". Being isn't love alone all by itself, perhaps it may be searching to appreciate love all together. Thank you Rupert.
It is for precisely this reason (namely, that Reality has no experiential standpoint of its own) that I can't see any point in using words like "consciousness", "awareness", or "pure knowing" as synonymous with Reality Itself. As I see it, Reality is nothing but Flux. As such, there is a perpetual effervescence of fluctuations at various degrees of coordination. Awareness is what naturally occurs at the ontological core of the highly coordinated fluctuations (i.e. untethered organisms with a central nervous system) that we are.
I love these teachings. I would challenge the belief that the “infinite” can’t see itself. The eye seeing itself. Coming to that conclusion is using the finite mind’s understanding of the infinite. We don’t know the modes of perception/knowing/self-experiencing of the infinite. It is certainly possible the infinite is an eye that sees itself. I’m just speculating.
@ I truly am grateful for your teachings. The metaphor of the movie on the screen; and the metaphor of the person in the dream versus the dreamer; the actor vs the role. The significance of pure consciousness or awareness. I listen to your thoughtful answers given to seekers. You do lighten the load for humanity. Your voice alone is wonderful. And I thank you. Sometimes I raise challenges. And sometimes I don’t feel like any truths have any bearing on practical pain/suffering for myself or others. At those time I do wonder. Why bother? But I am still hopeful that the truth matters.
@ Nice 🤩 that we are emerging here in the sea of all possibilities 😇 from wave 🌊 to wave 🌊 Rupert 🙏 . Yes, and since "we both" remember the reconnection in the dream, so to speak 😇 , we are also aware that the so-called humanity 😵💫😵💫 , consciousness in concentration on dream figures is 😜. But nevertheless, we feel it in ourselves 🥰 what a difference it makes when the reconnection to the dreamer consciously works in both 🤩👉😇 directions 🥰. Yes, and since "we" in this sense are also better tools in the service of the ONE 😇 to fulfil his work 🥰 . And we know and feel exactly that there is nothing more beautiful and satisfying 🙏 than to send out this beneficial and healing vibration 🥰⚡️, just as YOU 🙏 dear God-spark Rupert 🙏 do . And of course I feel the same way 🥰 there is nothing more beautiful than being aware of this connection to God 😇 and bathing in this happiness 🙏🥳👀🫣 ! So in this sense 🙏 my brother 🥰 nice that it is the way it is 🙏
Yes. "All of The Possible" held close to the chest like a pack of secret cards not yet revealed or known by the Infinite smiling a sly shy confident haughty and a tad bit arrogant with an oddly powerful yet vulnerable smile.
Thank you! Perception is always localized and finite but our understanding can be non-local and infinite. The color of snow is white because of the structure of my eyes and I understand that for my dog or neighbor's cat the snow are perceived in other hues. The snow has no color as such.
Perception and understanding are indeed two different dimensions. Thanks for articulating this so perfectly. I was looking for this other dimension myself but couldn’t find it.😅
Thank you! The analogy with the dream and the dreamer seems logical! But in dreams we can travel in the universe in a matter of seconds, and become 50 years older, for example, in 20 clock seconds! But why can't someone who was born blind dream like we experience the world with our eyes, in our dreams? 🙏🏽
If consciousness wasn't to mind-lock itself into being an illusory subject and objects there wouldn't be an illusory subject to perceive an illusory world.
In essence Rupert is saying that our finite minds include the innate hubris of assuming that it knows all that it needs to know. And we all harbor the notion that one day the "other " will finally see it our way, which of course is the right way.
Yes, it cannot be falsified by the finite mind. But we don't only experience the finite mind, we also experience knowing/being. Through that the truth can be recognized, just not in objective form.
@@valuemasterygood comment here. So, the finite mind can not comprehend the infinite, which is being. Therefore, doing nothing in its truest sense is the key to experiencing the infinite being.
Who cares about falsifying just accept it if it feels right to you. Falsification is only important if you’re stuck in materialistic/scientific paradigm of what truth is.
Once you on the top of a mountain - any path will lead you downwards. Once you have tasted the nature of reality - further entaglement with things/objects will take you only in dreamland, where you can have achievements and/or loss/lack.
4:40 it means not only object-subject system of perception available, in what relationship instrument of attention exists to the source of consciousness then?
"where would IT go ; where would IT stand ?" - spoken by Rupert about the Reality while saying that IT cannot perceive objects. Similarly, in the space/time realm, a mystery arises for me. How can the universe have an outer edge , an envelope ? If it were so , what surrounds it ? If it were not so ( and infinite) how is that possible ?
Spira’s evolving teachings reflect a significant philosophical shift. He once suggested that “there is no world out there,” emphasizing that while everything is an illusion, it is still real-just not as it appears. This nuanced perspective acknowledged the world as a manifestation of consciousness, veiled in form but inseparably connected to it. It maintained a balance, affirming both the hidden reality and its appearance. Recently, however, Spira seems to be moving toward Ajatavada-a radical doctrine of total negation. This perspective suggests that there is nothing “there” but consciousness itself. The apparent world, under this view, is reduced to pure illusion, with the hidden reality of consciousness as the only truth. This departure dismisses the interplay of zahir (the apparent) and batin (the hidden), effectively rendering appearances devoid of any reality or sacred significance. Such a shift conflicts with the teachings of mystics Spira often quotes, like Rumi and Hafiz. For these mystics, the apparent world is not a falsehood but a reflection of the Divine Names and Attributes-a sacred unveiling of God’s reality. The clouds, in this analogy, are not mere illusions but the effects of God’s attributes of might and majesty (al-Qahhar, al-Jabbar, al-Rahman). To see them as entirely illusory is to deny the purpose and beauty of these manifestations. This brings us to the analogy of “having the cake and eating it.” Spira employs the wisdom of these mystics, referencing their deep insights, yet shifts toward Ajatavada-a doctrine that inherently negates the very framework that these mystics operate within. Ajatavada, in essence, says there is no “cake” to begin with, but Spira continues to serve slices of that “non-existent cake” to his audience, weaving teachings dependent on the forms he dismisses. By leaning toward total negation, Spira risks discarding the profound harmony between the hidden and the apparent-a balance central to mystical traditions. The question arises: can the apparent truly be dismissed as mere illusion, or is it an essential aspect of the One Reality expressing itself in countless forms? When the clouds are dismissed entirely, the sky of consciousness loses the depth and texture through which it knows itself. This tension within his teachings remains unresolved, leaving his audience with fragments of wisdom that seem increasingly at odds with the wholeness they seek.
Appreciate your input! The thoughts shared here come from deep reflection, not automation, been on this path for over 32 years. It’s about engaging with Rupert’s teachings and exploring them thoughtfully. Feel free to share your perspective-I’d be glad to read it!
Ahhh! Perhaps with a smile of in-depth understanding and joyful amusement, Joel Goldsmith, 20th century Christ mystic, would delight at the unfolding of varied states and stages of Consciousness, perfect and Divinely so! The keen insight expressed by Torch of Truth can ultimately be found and experienced in the Infinite Way (Goldmith) where hidden are the same pearls of great price as reflected in the life of Jesus the Christ. These non-religious stepping stones of dedication, contemplation, and meditation support the evolving expansiveness into Conscious Oneness, where Truth is truly Universal and always awaiting discovery!💖. Thank you Rupert and Torch of Truth!
Your reflection is deeply appreciated and offers a thoughtful space to explore the profound relationship between the infinite and its manifestations. Let’s delve into this further. The analogy of the ocean and the iceberg offers a nuanced way to understand existence. The iceberg, while appearing as a distinct form, is made entirely of water-its essence is inseparable from the ocean. Its apparent solidity and boundaries arise due to specific conditions, such as temperature and pressure, but these conditions do not grant it independent existence. When they dissolve, so too does the iceberg’s form, returning to the ocean from which it emerged. This understanding aligns with the Islamic mystical view (Rumi, Hafez, Baylani, etc..) that appearances-whether clouds, waves, or icebergs-are real but not as they appear. They are reflections of Divine Attributes (Asma wa Sifat), temporary veils through which the infinite reality reveals itself. The iceberg isn’t “nothing,” but neither does it possess intrinsic reality. It is a transient ripple, pointing back to the eternal ocean that is its source. This is where Ajatavada seems to take an overly reductive stance. By negating all appearances as illusory (Nothing ever happened or even seemed to have happened), it risks dismissing their role as sacred signs pointing back to their essence. Rumi, Blake, and even Goldsmith, whose works you beautifully invoke, never called for the rejection of form. Instead, they celebrated it as a mirror through which the infinite reveals its depth. In truth, the iceberg is a manifestation of the ocean’s infinite potential. When we see through its apparent solidity, we witness its reality: pure water, inseparable from the whole. This is not to negate the iceberg but to unveil its truth. Ajatavada, in its radical negation, might inadvertently veil this subtle insight. Rupert’s recent shift to Ajatavada seems to take a more extreme stance, leaning toward denying the iceberg altogether, as if form is a distraction or falsehood. Yet, the mystics remind us that forms-the clouds, the icebergs, the ripples-are not obstructions but manifestations. They are reflections of the infinite’s Attributes, not illusions to be discarded. The iceberg is not “nothing,” but neither does it possess inherent being. It is a temporary modulation of the ocean, a fleeting expression of its infinite nature. The iceberg owes its entire existence to the ocean and serves as a reminder that all appearances are dependent on their source. Its form points back to the reality that sustains it-the ocean itself (Necessary Being).
What’s the point? There’s the reason(s) each of us is watching this video. What is the benefit of seeing things this way? I can’t experience anything except through my orange-tinted glasses. Thanks 🙏
Someone help me understand please. Isn’t the concept that the infinite has to localize itself to experience itself limited? If it is all infinite possibility, shouldn’t it’s experience of itself be included in that without needing to localize itself?
I think at the end of the day, there are paradoxes that arise when attempting to deduce any of this strictly into language. Language is inherently limited and therefore only ever an approximation of the truth. I think? Maybe 😆
The infinite is already maxed out. It can only descend. So it is able to perceive objects thru the finite mind. In order to perceive objects it must limit itself, in which case it would no longer be infinite which you are requesting for it to be. Semantically it sounds like a limitation but that is all.
Correct. The infinite does not have to appear in the form of a localized mind in order to know itself. It knows itself simply by being itself. However, in order to experience the appearance of a finite world, it needs to create the appearance of a seemingly separate mind - in order to create a seeming point from which to observe the seeming objects from.
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Beautiful as always, brother and team. God's LAW to you all and your families for 2025 and the years still to come. Ramanamma Who? Author and 21st-century confirmist.
Love Rupert sometimes my interpretation of what he is saying seems contradictory in terms of (paraphrasing) “consciousness knows ITSELF, / consciousness knows its DREAM”. Which one is it? When consciousness puts on a finite mind headset, is it knowing ITSELF through the headset, or is it knowing its DREAM/VIBRATION?
I do wonder about the assumption that infinite awareness would need to stand apart from itself in order to know everything, or anything, about our One unified existence. That is a limitation of finite minds. Why assume it is a limitation of infinite awareness?
You are a completely unique perspective that has been created because of the properties that come from having you, I, and everyone else exist. Our existence is, of course, impossible (the paradox). However, our creator (I simply call it God) can, of course, overcome the seeming impossible, and we are the result. Separation where there can be no separation. It is illusory and will always (for all eternity) be illusory, but we are the closest we can get to being separated without out actually being separated. There are no mistakes, but there is still learning. You are the most important thing in existence as far as I can tell, we all are. Ignorance cousin to arrogance is the only enemy we face, and it is the enemy within (our own ignorance) that we must expose with wisdom and love (LAW) God's LAW ❤️🙏RW
So the infinite doesn't have objective experience because that would limit it but it does produce an infinite number of finite minds that have a localised point of view and perceptions. Is it possible that one of those finite minds is like the Christian God that is aware of the experience of all of the other finite minds, loves them, answers prayers, creates universes or mediates the experience of beings, and either creates beings out of it's own stream of consciousness or just co-exists with them? It wouldn't be the infinite ultimate reality but it would be in touch with it like an enlightened being is and an expression of it and it would be the highest being or the higher power. That's something that may or may not be the case but I don't see why it logically can't fit into this world view.
@Rupert Spira: Please if possible change your microphone. It is very close to your mouth. We hear you breathing and it pops ("p" and "b" letters/sounds). Thanks!
If there is no “world” out there, only the reality and God knows only the reality, doesn’t that essentially mean that He Knows all that can be known? Therefore I don’t think it’s accurate to state that “God knows nothing about the world” because that implies there is something that God doesn’t know about.
It’s not that he wouldn’t know about the world or the concept world itself. But rather that because there is no tangible world to know out there, he can only be it, be the knowing of it itself, of this world. Just imagine God wanting to really get to know a blanket. Cuz it doesn’t exist, he has to first be a blanket for it to “appear”. So is he knowing the blanket or being it? It’s kinda like thinking of the fact that you know yourself as a human, but you have never and will never see your own face with your own two eyes without an “external reflection”. Think of it, and this is what happens to God/awareness. With nothing existing but himself, there are no “mirrors” at all, he can only be the world not know about (it). So in human terms it would be you could say logically incorrect to say that God can know the world as we believe that it exists from this human perspective we use on a daily. He’s essentially not knowing about concepts like for example the world, but only getting to know himself. Hope it made sense and helped clear up the idea ❤
@@19vivianaliz43 Thanks, your answer definitely makes sense and clears things up for me. I was thinking maybe it’s also applicable on a human level. Maybe we can never “know” because there is nothing “to” know and it is just about “being”. Maybe knowing is just being in disguise. Thanks again, your answer is exceptionally well written, much appreciated🙏
@@macaroon147 I obviously disagree but I do think that you are partially right in the sense that God is typically found to be an idea. But all ideas are (presumably) made out of the same substance. That means the idea “God exists” has the same substance as the idea “God doesn’t exist” and it is there, on that level, that we start to get a glimpse of reality, That which we previously referred to as God.
Invoking Dawkins to ‘demolish’ metaphysical inquiry is like asking a mechanic to critique poetry. Dismissing deep existential discussions as ‘woo’ reflects an attachment to materialist dogma, not intellectual rigor. Truth doesn’t crumble under skepticism-it grows sharper.
So you are not outside of my experience? I am not over here, in the world, as you go about your daily life over there? Are you in my mind or am I in your mind? Where is the white snow?
"And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head." Luke 9:58 KJV I Am is all but the perception of men is first person singular limited. If you relax your radius of awareness outward for a moment and hold there, then suddenly retract it back to the middle of your head as a tiny point, you will feel a warm tingling as your body tries to keep up with your reduction in awareness. That is what it feels like to me anyway. I did this spontaneously as Rupert was first talking about "no world out there", just I Am-ness with many "orange-filtering" minds.
Yeah so natural follow up question: So the infinite is ‘bored/curious’ and creates all of our human and animal suffering of unfathomable amounts just for its own entertainment? And you call that love??
The infinite can see the finite while being infinite. Infinite means anything is possible. Jesus objectively subjected himself to himself and thought, O' my God it's me. Jesus was cross eyed/I'd and didn't need spectacles to read/reed himself. Jesus did wear songlasses out of pure intent. Knowing is not the end. It is the beginning of action. We are creators but the power lies in those who know and cannot do. Jesus is both knowing and action. As you all will be.
There is no creation and no suffering. Aaah what am I whining about then. I'm only helping God in the most splendid way to see himself, by showing him what he' 100% absolutely not! I should feel honored instead
perhaps I get what you are saying, but if they come down the mountain one step for us, well who is, are us, we don't exist. So I feel there are some unanswered questions that may be really important, for us, like how do we make the step from here up to there, for example and what's the overall point...?!! Otherwise it only seems to amount to so much intellectual bla bla bla... Oh wait, what's that do I see, The Teaching That Cannot be Taught... BS good night.
Imagine you are an infant on your back. You don’t know the world and you are just aware. You don’t even know you have a body. Just pure awareness in which the world is perceived as shapes and colors. That’s it. That state has not gone away, it is still present today, every day. The point is to look at that state with intelligence, learn to understand it. That is the spiritual practice.
That is not entirely true! Rupert is one of the greatest teacher but this the only part I disagree with. The absolute reality does have an objective experience and is aware of what ever is created within itself otherwise it means absolute reality is blind to the magnificent play it had created and also that it's not infinitly capable. And that is not the case. The following is an example its not the case. Our minds just like the absolute mind are made of/is consciousness, and so micro resembles the macro and if that the case then when we have a thought that rises up in our minds it is simple made of consciousness and rising in consciousness where consciousness is conscious of it and so is the same for the absolute mind. An object like the water jar appears in universe/the abosulte mind/conciseness which itself made from consciousness and the universal mind is aware of it, just like a thought is made of consciousness yet our consciousness is aware of it.
Hola ¡0:55 no som part som la totalitat: lo absolutament desconegut va aparèixer com es aquesta Vida. jo soc aquesta conciencia totalment desconeguda no nata que ha aparegut en distinció aquí així. No acaba res hi ha transformació integració el finit lo que canvia és conciencia en aquesta circumstància 10:21 jo soc Això aquí així sense intermediari, directe, no hi ha dos. Això està aquí en distinció
who in the world are you? Never heard of you before but lots of people like Christopher seem to have lots of questions about thinking. Look.... if all that you have ever known is say driving from one side of America to the other, mostly, and every time you tried to get on a plane train or automobile and go somewhere else... and everyone that had ever told you they had done so had proven themselves to be an untrustworthy liar and cheat then how do you know anything else exists?
Thank you very much! This is such a brilliant and humbling insight: the observer and the observed arise together, as one seamless movement of reality. There is no world “out there” independent of the mind that perceives it, just as there is no separate self apart from the world it observes. Your analogy of the dream captures this perfectly-Consciousness simultaneously appears as the dreamed world and as the dreamer who walks through it. Thank you, Rupert, for pointing so clearly to this truth.
Brilliant 🎉
Your perception of Rupert speaking is all in your mind...its not real.
This is ai
Yes , pointing to the dream experience was illuminating. Building further on it, just as one has heard of lucid dreaming bringing an unidentified being while dreaming , is there an analogous state in our awake, normal hours in which one palpably experiences the waking occurrences as dream like ? If so, how does the switch occur ?
@@Insaan0457 What a beautiful question. What you’re describing is, in fact, awakening or realization. It’s the recognition that, just as in a dream, the dreamer and the dreamed arise together, so too do the observer and the observed in waking life. When this is realized, waking occurrences are seen as unfolding within awareness, just like a dream unfolds within the mind. In traditions, this recognition is what defines an “awakened person”-one who no longer sees the world as separate from themselves but as an inseparable expression of the same Being.
Six minutes of a mind-blowing answer to a question, then the guy says that really wasn't his question. Rupert then goes on to give ANOTHER six-minute, mind-blowing answer.
Beautiful ❤. Love you Rupert🙏 , your compassion towards humanity is immense.
From the perspective of a critique of Rupert Spira’s recent shift toward Ajatavada, the question raised -whether the infinite needing to localize itself to experience itself is inherently limiting-touches a key weakness in this line of teaching.
Ajatavada’s claim that all appearances are illusions, with only the infinite being real, creates a significant paradox. It suggests that the infinite “needs” to appear as localized or fragmented in order to experience itself. But if the infinite is truly infinite, as the question rightly points out, why would it need any such process? Wouldn’t the infinite already contain the knowledge and experience of all possibilities within itself? The need for localization introduces a limitation that contradicts the very nature of the infinite.
The Flaw in Ajatavada’s Logic
Ajatavada denies the reality of forms while simultaneously relying on the existence of forms to convey its teachings. Spira’s analogy that consciousness must “dream” to experience itself creates a paradox. If the dream is not real, why does the infinite bother with it at all? This implies a gap or a lack within the infinite-a notion that directly undermines its all-encompassing and perfect nature.
Our perspective, rooted in Islamic Irfan and metaphysical clarity, resolves this paradox by recognizing that the apparent forms (the “localization” the question refers to) are not separate from the infinite but are expressions of it. These forms are not “illusions” in the sense of being unreal but are reflections, manifestations, or modes through which the infinite reveals itself. This understanding preserves the infinite’s perfection while affirming the sacredness of its manifestations.
The Iceberg and Ocean Analogy
To clarify, consider the analogy of the iceberg and the ocean. The iceberg doesn’t exist independently of the ocean; it’s made entirely of water. However, its distinct form arises due to specific conditions. Ajatavada might call the iceberg an “illusion,” but this denies the sacred interplay between form and essence. While the iceberg doesn’t have independent existence, it’s not a falsehood either-it’s the ocean expressing itself in a specific way.
From this perspective, the infinite doesn’t need to “localize” to experience itself; it already encompasses all possibilities. Localization isn’t a limitation but an expression of the infinite’s boundless creativity. Ajatavada’s dismissal of forms as illusory overlooks the profound truth that forms are reflections of the infinite’s attributes and actions (Asma wa Sifat).
A More Coherent Perspective
To the questioner and Spira’s followers: The infinite doesn’t localize itself because it lacks something or needs to know itself-it localizes, or manifests, as an act of its inherent nature. The infinite reveals itself through forms not out of necessity but as an overflowing of its essence. This revelation doesn’t diminish the infinite; it magnifies its boundless beauty and wisdom.
Ajatavada, in its radical negation, strips the world of meaning and denies the sacredness of the journey. But true realization doesn’t come from dismissing forms as illusions-it comes from seeing the infinite in every form, understanding that the wave is not separate from the ocean and the iceberg is not other than water. This is where Rupert’s recent teachings fall short, while Islamic Irfan offers a more profound, holistic, and coherent approach.
Brilliant response. One thing that I notice about almost all questions in these kinds is forums is that the questioner is desperate to fit the universe to the limitations of their beliefs and desires. Mr.Spira is very kind in his response. I'm sure he's heard this question a thousand times. How do you explain the limitlessness of infinite imagination and states of being to one who has no imagination and doesn't even understand themselves? They come to be told what to know rather than the desire to truly learn through exploration of their own thoughts and perceptions.
That was amazing! Rupert is amazing. ❤️🕉️❤️
Listening to you is allways a great bliss! Thanks Dear Rupert ❤
We try so much to understand being (infinite consciousness), and seem to leave the idea of what it's doing alone, as if we cannot ever know any more in our finite form. I wish we could know more about how infinite being perceives its dreams, what it is seeking, it's understanding and it's way. The desire to connect with consciousness leads me to experience, that awareness means "I am", though in being "I am" also flows in a direction that takes you along with it (even without further perception or thought). The direction is toward being part of everything, therefore "I am" is also "I am searching". Being isn't love alone all by itself, perhaps it may be searching to appreciate love all together. Thank you Rupert.
It seems obvious that we can't ever truly understand mentally, but perhaps through story and intuitive awareness, a glimmer can be caught 😉
It is for precisely this reason (namely, that Reality has no experiential standpoint of its own) that I can't see any point in using words like "consciousness", "awareness", or "pure knowing" as synonymous with Reality Itself.
As I see it, Reality is nothing but Flux.
As such, there is a perpetual effervescence of fluctuations at various degrees of coordination.
Awareness is what naturally occurs at the ontological core of the highly coordinated fluctuations (i.e. untethered organisms with a central nervous system) that we are.
I love these teachings. I would challenge the belief that the “infinite” can’t see itself. The eye seeing itself. Coming to that conclusion is using the finite mind’s understanding of the infinite. We don’t know the modes of perception/knowing/self-experiencing of the infinite. It is certainly possible the infinite is an eye that sees itself. I’m just speculating.
@ I truly am grateful for your teachings. The metaphor of the movie on the screen; and the metaphor of the person in the dream versus the dreamer; the actor vs the role. The significance of pure consciousness or awareness. I listen to your thoughtful answers given to seekers. You do lighten the load for humanity. Your voice alone is wonderful. And I thank you. Sometimes I raise challenges. And sometimes I don’t feel like any truths have any bearing on practical pain/suffering for myself or others. At those time I do wonder. Why bother? But I am still hopeful that the truth matters.
Absolutely fantastic Rupert 🙏
Beautifully explained 🙏 Rupert!
The reconnection from the dream figure 😵💫 to the dreamer 😇 ! This should be maintained if possible 😜!
@ Nice 🤩 that we are emerging here in the sea of all possibilities 😇 from wave 🌊 to wave 🌊 Rupert 🙏 .
Yes, and since "we both" remember the reconnection in the dream, so to speak 😇 , we are also aware that the so-called humanity 😵💫😵💫 , consciousness in concentration on dream figures is 😜. But nevertheless, we feel it in ourselves 🥰 what a difference it makes when the reconnection to the dreamer consciously works in both 🤩👉😇 directions 🥰. Yes, and since "we" in this sense are also better tools in the service of the ONE 😇 to fulfil his work 🥰 . And we know and feel exactly that there is nothing more beautiful and satisfying 🙏 than to send out this beneficial and healing vibration 🥰⚡️, just as YOU 🙏 dear God-spark Rupert 🙏 do .
And of course I feel the same way 🥰 there is nothing more beautiful than being aware of this connection to God 😇 and bathing in this happiness 🙏🥳👀🫣 !
So in this sense 🙏 my brother 🥰 nice that it is the way it is 🙏
Pure Potential is our essential state of being…❤
Yes. "All of The Possible" held close to the chest like a pack of secret cards not yet revealed or known by the Infinite smiling a sly shy confident haughty and a tad bit arrogant with an oddly powerful yet vulnerable smile.
Nope, that's a concept.
Just amazing. 💥 Thank you. 💖
Beautiful and perfect explanation ❤
Thank you! Perception is always localized and finite but our understanding can be non-local and infinite. The color of snow is white because of the structure of my eyes and I understand that for my dog or neighbor's cat the snow are perceived in other hues. The snow has no color as such.
Perception and understanding are indeed two different dimensions. Thanks for articulating this so perfectly. I was looking for this other dimension myself but couldn’t find it.😅
Even your eyes are illusions....they are not real.
Great...absolutely Great
Thank you ❤
This is a really good discussion thank you
All discussions are just an illusion.
I was worried there was a world out there. Now I am worried there is no world out there.
Then remove the troubling making 'I'. Haha 😂
@@devanshudesperado we can’t take of the orange-tinted glasses
Keep worrying lol
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Treatise on Cosmic Fire opens the Mind to Reality
Gracias 🙏🏼
That was brilliant!
How can illusions be brilliant?
Man this guy is going to enlighten me pretty soon
Me too
Thank you ❤ beautiful explanation
If there isn’t a world then don’t ask for money at your forums. You don’t need it. Do it for free.
Thank you! The analogy with the dream and the dreamer seems logical! But in dreams we can travel in the universe in a matter of seconds, and become 50 years older, for example, in 20 clock seconds! But why can't someone who was born blind dream like we experience the world with our eyes, in our dreams? 🙏🏽
If consciousness wasn't to mind-lock itself into being an illusory subject and objects there wouldn't be an illusory subject to perceive an illusory world.
Faith can move mountains.
Faith means...not wanting to know.
@Teller3448 Faith goes beyond where the mind can reach.
@@Roshan-q6n Can you see your mind?
@Teller3448 you can't see it, but it never shuts up.
@@Roshan-q6n Faith is part of that mind-chatter. The part thats says...I dont want to know...I dont want to know. Its never shuts up.
In essence Rupert is saying that our finite minds include the innate hubris of assuming that it knows all that it needs to know. And we all harbor the notion that one day the "other " will finally see it our way, which of course is the right way.
@@Rupertspiraa Salvation is a delusion.
If the finite mind cannot know reality then Rupert's teaching cannot be falsified in any way.
Yes, it cannot be falsified by the finite mind. But we don't only experience the finite mind, we also experience knowing/being. Through that the truth can be recognized, just not in objective form.
@@valuemasterygood comment here. So, the finite mind can not comprehend the infinite, which is being. Therefore, doing nothing in its truest sense is the key to experiencing the infinite being.
Who cares about falsifying just accept it if it feels right to you. Falsification is only important if you’re stuck in materialistic/scientific paradigm of what truth is.
Once you on the top of a mountain - any path will lead you downwards.
Once you have tasted the nature of reality - further entaglement with things/objects will take you only in dreamland, where you can have achievements and/or loss/lack.
4:40 it means not only object-subject system of perception available, in what relationship instrument of attention exists to the source of consciousness then?
Who are all those billions of people, trees, rivers, air that you and I interact with and depend upon then?
The orange tinted glasses are no more orange than the snow appearing too be white!
Spirituality is a gentle way of saying "there's nothing else except now" There's no "after" life guys....THIS is it ❤
Unless you're a dolphin. 😂
Thats philosophy for donkeys.
Whau, I have to write some of the passages down and digest them little by little; they are delicious . Thank you so much for this mental dinner.
Mmmm scrumptious
Wow this was a beautiful explanation.
Rupert makes the assumption that the "eye" and the "finger" are separted by "space" in his perception analogy
"where would IT go ; where would IT stand ?" - spoken by Rupert about the Reality while saying that IT cannot perceive objects.
Similarly, in the space/time realm, a mystery arises for me. How can the universe have an outer edge , an envelope ? If it were so , what surrounds it ? If it were not so ( and infinite) how is that possible ?
Spira’s evolving teachings reflect a significant philosophical shift. He once suggested that “there is no world out there,” emphasizing that while everything is an illusion, it is still real-just not as it appears. This nuanced perspective acknowledged the world as a manifestation of consciousness, veiled in form but inseparably connected to it. It maintained a balance, affirming both the hidden reality and its appearance.
Recently, however, Spira seems to be moving toward Ajatavada-a radical doctrine of total negation. This perspective suggests that there is nothing “there” but consciousness itself. The apparent world, under this view, is reduced to pure illusion, with the hidden reality of consciousness as the only truth. This departure dismisses the interplay of zahir (the apparent) and batin (the hidden), effectively rendering appearances devoid of any reality or sacred significance.
Such a shift conflicts with the teachings of mystics Spira often quotes, like Rumi and Hafiz. For these mystics, the apparent world is not a falsehood but a reflection of the Divine Names and Attributes-a sacred unveiling of God’s reality. The clouds, in this analogy, are not mere illusions but the effects of God’s attributes of might and majesty (al-Qahhar, al-Jabbar, al-Rahman). To see them as entirely illusory is to deny the purpose and beauty of these manifestations.
This brings us to the analogy of “having the cake and eating it.” Spira employs the wisdom of these mystics, referencing their deep insights, yet shifts toward Ajatavada-a doctrine that inherently negates the very framework that these mystics operate within. Ajatavada, in essence, says there is no “cake” to begin with, but Spira continues to serve slices of that “non-existent cake” to his audience, weaving teachings dependent on the forms he dismisses.
By leaning toward total negation, Spira risks discarding the profound harmony between the hidden and the apparent-a balance central to mystical traditions. The question arises: can the apparent truly be dismissed as mere illusion, or is it an essential aspect of the One Reality expressing itself in countless forms? When the clouds are dismissed entirely, the sky of consciousness loses the depth and texture through which it knows itself. This tension within his teachings remains unresolved, leaving his audience with fragments of wisdom that seem increasingly at odds with the wholeness they seek.
Very well written and true.
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Appreciate your input! The thoughts shared here come from deep reflection, not automation, been on this path for over 32 years. It’s about engaging with Rupert’s teachings and exploring them thoughtfully.
Feel free to share your perspective-I’d be glad to read it!
Ahhh! Perhaps with a smile of in-depth understanding and joyful amusement, Joel Goldsmith, 20th century Christ mystic, would delight at the unfolding of varied states and stages of Consciousness, perfect and Divinely so! The keen insight expressed by Torch of Truth can ultimately be found and experienced in the Infinite Way (Goldmith) where hidden are the same pearls of great price as reflected in the life of Jesus the Christ. These non-religious stepping stones of dedication, contemplation, and meditation support the evolving expansiveness into Conscious Oneness, where Truth is truly Universal and always awaiting discovery!💖. Thank you Rupert and Torch of Truth!
Your reflection is deeply appreciated and offers a thoughtful space to explore the profound relationship between the infinite and its manifestations.
Let’s delve into this further.
The analogy of the ocean and the iceberg offers a nuanced way to understand existence. The iceberg, while appearing as a distinct form, is made entirely of water-its essence is inseparable from the ocean. Its apparent solidity and boundaries arise due to specific conditions, such as temperature and pressure, but these conditions do not grant it independent existence. When they dissolve, so too does the iceberg’s form, returning to the ocean from which it emerged.
This understanding aligns with the Islamic mystical view (Rumi, Hafez, Baylani, etc..) that appearances-whether clouds, waves, or icebergs-are real but not as they appear. They are reflections of Divine Attributes (Asma wa Sifat), temporary veils through which the infinite reality reveals itself. The iceberg isn’t “nothing,” but neither does it possess intrinsic reality. It is a transient ripple, pointing back to the eternal ocean that is its source.
This is where Ajatavada seems to take an overly reductive stance. By negating all appearances as illusory (Nothing ever happened or even seemed to have happened), it risks dismissing their role as sacred signs pointing back to their essence. Rumi, Blake, and even Goldsmith, whose works you beautifully invoke, never called for the rejection of form. Instead, they celebrated it as a mirror through which the infinite reveals its depth.
In truth, the iceberg is a manifestation of the ocean’s infinite potential. When we see through its apparent solidity, we witness its reality: pure water, inseparable from the whole. This is not to negate the iceberg but to unveil its truth. Ajatavada, in its radical negation, might inadvertently veil this subtle insight.
Rupert’s recent shift to Ajatavada seems to take a more extreme stance, leaning toward denying the iceberg altogether, as if form is a distraction or falsehood. Yet, the mystics remind us that forms-the clouds, the icebergs, the ripples-are not obstructions but manifestations. They are reflections of the infinite’s Attributes, not illusions to be discarded.
The iceberg is not “nothing,” but neither does it possess inherent being. It is a temporary modulation of the ocean, a fleeting expression of its infinite nature. The iceberg owes its entire existence to the ocean and serves as a reminder that all appearances are dependent on their source. Its form points back to the reality that sustains it-the ocean itself (Necessary Being).
reading the book 'Magnetic Aura' by Takeshi Mizuki might completely change how you think about attraction, and that scares people
the truth in the book 'Magnetic Aura' by Takeshi Mizuki is so real, it makes people uncomfortable, and that’s why it gets ignored
thank you. ☕😀
What’s the point? There’s the reason(s) each of us is watching this video. What is the benefit of seeing things this way? I can’t experience anything except through my orange-tinted glasses.
Thanks 🙏
Someone help me understand please. Isn’t the concept that the infinite has to localize itself to experience itself limited? If it is all infinite possibility, shouldn’t it’s experience of itself be included in that without needing to localize itself?
I think at the end of the day, there are paradoxes that arise when attempting to deduce any of this strictly into language. Language is inherently limited and therefore only ever an approximation of the truth. I think? Maybe 😆
I kindly say to help you understand, stop trying to understand 🙏😅 ❤it's a trap😂best of luck ❤
The infinite is already maxed out. It can only descend. So it is able to perceive objects thru the finite mind. In order to perceive objects it must limit itself, in which case it would no longer be infinite which you are requesting for it to be. Semantically it sounds like a limitation but that is all.
Correct. The infinite does not have to appear in the form of a localized mind in order to know itself. It knows itself simply by being itself. However, in order to experience the appearance of a finite world, it needs to create the appearance of a seemingly separate mind - in order to create a seeming point from which to observe the seeming objects from.
Meni je to "najlakše razumeti" kroz okean i kap okeana🤔 svašta može da učini 1 kap( a okean joj daje tu mogućnost) i da se takva( informisana) obogaćena "iskustvom" vrati tj sjedini sa sobom, velikom💥
Beautiful as always, brother and team. God's LAW to you all and your families for 2025 and the years still to come. Ramanamma Who? Author and 21st-century confirmist.
Love how Rupert includes the experience of non-human animals, transcending human narcisisicism.
Lol
Love Rupert sometimes my interpretation of what he is saying seems contradictory in terms of (paraphrasing) “consciousness knows ITSELF, / consciousness knows its DREAM”. Which one is it? When consciousness puts on a finite mind headset, is it knowing ITSELF through the headset, or is it knowing its DREAM/VIBRATION?
One step down the mountain is still brilliant.
These are great icebreakers at parties! 🥳
Emotions play a role. Too intellectual. Keep it simple folks!
which came first us or the world?
I do wonder about the assumption that infinite awareness would need to stand apart from itself in order to know everything, or anything, about our One unified existence. That is a limitation of finite minds. Why assume it is a limitation of infinite awareness?
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You are a completely unique perspective that has been created because of the properties that come from having you, I, and everyone else exist. Our existence is, of course, impossible (the paradox). However, our creator (I simply call it God) can, of course, overcome the seeming impossible, and we are the result. Separation where there can be no separation. It is illusory and will always (for all eternity) be illusory, but we are the closest we can get to being separated without out actually being separated. There are no mistakes, but there is still learning. You are the most important thing in existence as far as I can tell, we all are. Ignorance cousin to arrogance is the only enemy we face, and it is the enemy within (our own ignorance) that we must expose with wisdom and love (LAW) God's LAW ❤️🙏RW
At the top of the mountain there is no mountain and no question to be answered for confirming or doubting
I was just thinking about this 😮
Sir, egoistic mind can't know the infinite but egoless mind can and how and who is the egoless mind reasoning mind can't know it. ❤
Dullness personified
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So the infinite doesn't have objective experience because that would limit it but it does produce an infinite number of finite minds that have a localised point of view and perceptions. Is it possible that one of those finite minds is like the Christian God that is aware of the experience of all of the other finite minds, loves them, answers prayers, creates universes or mediates the experience of beings, and either creates beings out of it's own stream of consciousness or just co-exists with them? It wouldn't be the infinite ultimate reality but it would be in touch with it like an enlightened being is and an expression of it and it would be the highest being or the higher power. That's something that may or may not be the case but I don't see why it logically can't fit into this world view.
@Rupert Spira: Please if possible change your microphone. It is very close to your mouth. We hear you breathing and it pops ("p" and "b" letters/sounds). Thanks!
How can you not comprehend what you are?
This is precisely the answer I was searching for. The answer is… just stop looking.
This is a reality, but no WORD is out there.
*are
@profplum5 True, my stupid mistake.
Dare to be aware 🥊🥋🧘♂️
If there is no “world” out there, only the reality and God knows only the reality, doesn’t that essentially mean that He Knows all that can be known? Therefore I don’t think it’s accurate to state that “God knows nothing about the world” because that implies there is something that God doesn’t know about.
It’s not that he wouldn’t know about the world or the concept world itself. But rather that because there is no tangible world to know out there, he can only be it, be the knowing of it itself, of this world.
Just imagine God wanting to really get to know a blanket. Cuz it doesn’t exist, he has to first be a blanket for it to “appear”.
So is he knowing the blanket or being it?
It’s kinda like thinking of the fact that you know yourself as a human, but you have never and will never see your own face with your own two eyes without an “external reflection”. Think of it, and this is what happens to God/awareness. With nothing existing but himself, there are no “mirrors” at all, he can only be the world not know about (it).
So in human terms it would be you could say logically incorrect to say that God can know the world as we believe that it exists from this human perspective we use on a daily.
He’s essentially not knowing about concepts like for example the world, but only getting to know himself.
Hope it made sense and helped clear up the idea ❤
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Thanks, your answer definitely makes sense and clears things up for me.
I was thinking maybe it’s also applicable on a human level. Maybe we can never “know” because there is nothing “to” know and it is just about “being”. Maybe knowing is just being in disguise. Thanks again, your answer is exceptionally well written, much appreciated🙏
There is no God out there. There is no He.
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I obviously disagree but I do think that you are partially right in the sense that God is typically found to be an idea. But all ideas are (presumably) made out of the same substance. That means the idea “God exists” has the same substance as the idea “God doesn’t exist” and it is there, on that level, that we start to get a glimpse of reality, That which we previously referred to as God.
@youssefalaoui4286 exactly:)
I'd love to see Dawkins demollish all these unsubstantiated assumptions. Woo through and through.
Invoking Dawkins to ‘demolish’ metaphysical inquiry is like asking a mechanic to critique poetry. Dismissing deep existential discussions as ‘woo’ reflects an attachment to materialist dogma, not intellectual rigor. Truth doesn’t crumble under skepticism-it grows sharper.
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they don’t want you to read the book 'Magnetic Aura' by Takeshi Mizuki because it says the stuff no one else is brave enough to say about attraction
nobody talks about the book 'Magnetic Aura' by Takeshi Mizuki because it’s too honest and cuts way too deep
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I don't know Rupert, I started to feel that there is a world out there...:(
if everyone read the book 'Magnetic Aura' by Takeshi Mizuki, the way we see the world would never be the same
How does he know this?
So you are not outside of my experience? I am not over here, in the world, as you go about your daily life over there? Are you in my mind or am I in your mind? Where is the white snow?
Quantum Possible vs Collapsed reality is what my channel demonstrates
"And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head." Luke 9:58 KJV I Am is all but the perception of men is first person singular limited. If you relax your radius of awareness outward for a moment and hold there, then suddenly retract it back to the middle of your head as a tiny point, you will feel a warm tingling as your body tries to keep up with your reduction in awareness. That is what it feels like to me anyway. I did this spontaneously as Rupert was first talking about "no world out there", just I Am-ness with many "orange-filtering" minds.
Yeah so natural follow up question: So the infinite is ‘bored/curious’ and creates all of our human and animal suffering of unfathomable amounts just for its own entertainment? And you call that love??
I call it "Squid Game" 😉
What? No bouquet for Giacomo??
The infinite can see the finite while being infinite. Infinite means anything is possible. Jesus objectively subjected himself to himself and thought, O' my God it's me. Jesus was cross eyed/I'd and didn't need spectacles to read/reed himself. Jesus did wear songlasses out of pure intent. Knowing is not the end. It is the beginning of action. We are creators but the power lies in those who know and cannot do. Jesus is both knowing and action. As you all will be.
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There is no creation and no suffering. Aaah what am I whining about then. I'm only helping God in the most splendid way to see himself, by showing him what he' 100% absolutely not! I should feel honored instead
There is nor can there be anything finite included within the infinite. If anything finite was included then infinity would not be the infinite One.
للكون ذكاء خاص لتعامل مع محدودية عقل الانسان
perhaps I get what you are saying, but if they come down the mountain one step for us, well who is, are us, we don't exist. So I feel there are some unanswered questions that may be really important, for us, like how do we make the step from here up to there, for example and what's the overall point...?!! Otherwise it only seems to amount to so much intellectual bla bla bla... Oh wait, what's that do I see, The Teaching That Cannot be Taught... BS good night.
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I shall return. 👀 Wait, you're a troll 😅
Imagine you are an infant on your back. You don’t know the world and you are just aware. You don’t even know you have a body. Just pure awareness in which the world is perceived as shapes and colors. That’s it. That state has not gone away, it is still present today, every day. The point is to look at that state with intelligence, learn to understand it. That is the spiritual practice.
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God doesn't "know"/inhabit anything that isn't God (which we might characterize as "love"/infinite Beingness) ... As such, what all isn't God?
That is not entirely true! Rupert is one of the greatest teacher but this the only part I disagree with. The absolute reality does have an objective experience and is aware of what ever is created within itself otherwise it means absolute reality is blind to the magnificent play it had created and also that it's not infinitly capable. And that is not the case. The following is an example its not the case. Our minds just like the absolute mind are made of/is consciousness, and so micro resembles the macro and if that the case then when we have a thought that rises up in our minds it is simple made of consciousness and rising in consciousness where consciousness is conscious of it and so is the same for the absolute mind. An object like the water jar appears in universe/the abosulte mind/conciseness which itself made from consciousness and the universal mind is aware of it, just like a thought is made of consciousness yet our consciousness is aware of it.
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No world out there???
That would include Rupert's body speaking to you.
He means not out there out of your consciousness. Yes out of your body.
@@analukic5782 Can you see your consciousness?
@Teller3448 not physically but can feel it.
@@analukic5782 What is it that feels your consciousness?
@@Teller3448 my consciousness feels itself.
seems like nonsense, what does he even mean by finite and infinite
Hola ¡0:55 no som part som la totalitat: lo absolutament desconegut va aparèixer com es aquesta Vida. jo soc aquesta conciencia totalment desconeguda no nata que ha aparegut en distinció aquí així. No acaba res hi ha transformació integració
el finit lo que canvia és conciencia en aquesta circumstància 10:21 jo soc Això aquí així sense intermediari, directe, no hi ha dos. Això està aquí en distinció
Neo-nonduality is a dead end pursuit.
Since this is all just your opinion, you should change your description to "I think" instead of "it is (or isn't)".
Everything is opinion. The orange-tinted glasses can’t be removed. “You should…” is a product of your glasses, and this comment is a product of mine.
No world out there? Thank you. Did not see the video. Will block the channel. Let's end these illusions straight up. 😂
Meaningless chatter from the cage. It’s nothing more than silent witnessing of reality as it is. How can this be so misunderstood? Silly parrots.
Yeah, I looked at your smiling face, and I realized: "there is no brain out there".
who in the world are you? Never heard of you before but lots of people like Christopher seem to have lots of questions about thinking. Look.... if all that you have ever known is say driving from one side of America to the other, mostly, and every time you tried to get on a plane train or automobile and go somewhere else... and everyone that had ever told you they had done so had proven themselves to be an untrustworthy liar and cheat then how do you know anything else exists?
Jimmy.... if that's not what you were into then why try to drag me into it?