After the Fact: The Amazon Archetype
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Daredevil, coach, and champion. Rainbow Dash represents a lot of our best and also our worst. Let's have a look at her archetype!
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Can we all agree Slivers voice is like butter I could fall asleep to it ( note: I have )
So is Dr. Wolf's
Clare Nicke Dr. wolf has the dad voice the type of dad you can talk to about probably anything and everything silver to would be the type of person I could have a nice long conversation with on the bus both are enjoyable
Oh my gosh it is
Agreed. Just, so engaging, yet calm at the same time.
Naruko uzumaki yup
Thank you for the in-depth character study Silver. Gives me quite a bit more to think about in regards to motivations and personality.
DRWolf001 it's cool knowing that you watch silver's videos. Maybe you and Firebrand could do a reaction of it😊
DRWolf001 you and fire brand and key frame and voice of reason are my favorite youtubers
oh hi wolf! i like u :3
yeah what silver says in line with the archetypes is interesting. but something like this begs the question on that rainbow blaze isn't dash's father then you have to wonder what kind of personalities they have. I'm thinking along the lines of they are like rarity, all high class, rich and in with the elite.
DRWolf001 hey Dr wolf how about lightning dust
You know, Rainbow Dash has never been one of my favourite characters, but after knowing more about her archetype by watching this. really makes me "appreciate" her more :)
Yay!
She's one of the main reasons I was able to stick out the show through the rough early days.
The Amazon Archetype, so... does this mean I get free shipping?
Only if you pay for premium membership.
MLP-Silver-Quill XD
Rainbow Dash is the most shipped, so in a way, yes.
Amazon only gives Free Shipping to Friends
So u best know the Incan symbol of friendship
@Zangetsu, *Not in this fandom it seems....* (lulz)
- they'll ship anything and anyone no matter how baddly it fits, eh?
(or go to no end in wars against ships they don't like also)
At the end I was either expecting
1. rainbow dash to accidentally crash into you.
2. Sonicrainbom launch you to the nearest wall
3. Or all your feathers getting pulled off from the speed that your next to.
Surprised that you not hurt this episode... are you getting luckier?
To be fair, there was that rude gesture.
Would have been funny though. Still happy with this. Not to mention it wasn't as destructive or intrusive as Double Rainboom. seriously while the visuals were awsome? The story did nothing good for me.
You know the funny thing is when ever people talk about the original intentions for the elements of harmony I feel Rainbow Dash would've been more suited to the element of inspiration then to loyalty because that's what she's always been even as a Filly in cutiemark chronicles she unintentionally became a massive influence and inspiration on the ponies that would eventually become her friends, with her first sonic rainboom she helped her five friends find themselves that little extra push that allowed them to find their talents as we've seen this was pivotal.
She also inspires Scootaloo and she also tends to inspire the background characters as well both in FIM & EQG. Like in "Friendship games or "Hurricane fluttershy".
So Dashy is someone who likes to push themselves to surpass both personal and universal limits, eh?
... Rainbow Dash VS Goku for Death Battle?
She did beat a giant robot all ready their. But I think they need to do the rest of the main 6 first.
Well, they did Pinkie Pie vs Deadpool. So who's next?
And who would you pit Fluttershy against?
Mr. Pokirby That would probably destroy the world. They are too powerful 😁
Fluttershy would probably fight Squirrel Girl.
And she'd probably lose considering how much Squirrel Girl has accomplished, not least of which is "not dying in a comic series where EVERYONE was supposed to die"
Well, that would be cool to see. But as soon as Goku gets serious, Rainbow Dash would lose. Super Sayian God alone would be too much for her.
In Equestria would the Castrater be better known as the Gelder?
Greek mythology gives a wide variety of portrayals of the Amazons. In some stories they're fearsome savages who subjugated or killed all the men. In others they're beautiful, noble warriors. And some stories put them somewhere in between.
This ending gives me chills every time I watch it. Can we get the MLP staff to make that stunt happen in the show?
I do appreciate you acknowledging the outdated binary of yungs work and his sexism
More perspectives have come out since his work :) Look at all then draw a conclusion.
There is a foundation of psychology in his work though.
Men and women ARE different, and ignoring those differences can and has caused problems in society, and for individuals.
Her tenacity is what made me fall in love with the show in the first place. I had been very resistant to the fandom for years until I started hearing some of the mlp remixes that were being made. Sunshine and Celery Stalks was the one that got me to final watch an episode for the source material, found in Winter Wrap-up. The show wasn't half bad so I watched it from the start and seeing Rainbow's justified ego, as well as how steadfast she was on her principle of loyalty is what finally sucked me in. Watching her grow over the seasons and become more comfortable with her feminine side has been both enjoyable and adorable. As a guy who has many diverse interests, many of which don't fit the "manly man" ideology of our current society, yet being too aggressive for many of my female acquaintances, I have struggled with fitting in and making friends. In fact, I'd say I only have about 5 good friends, only one of which I see regularly. Right from the start, I connected to Dash as someone sitting on the razors edge between multiple competing identities. I'd say I'm rather unapologetic, now and no longer tweaking who I am based on who I am around, with the exception of having to reign in my intellect so as not to insult anyone, unintentionally.
Since the 2nd EQG, however, I have found myself enjoying Sunset Shimmer much more. She already has the perfect balance of athleticism, charm and intellect, she just needs more confidence in her ability to share her experience and connect to others without the fear of rejection.
With that said, thank you for including her in the ending. I really hope she makes a trip through the mirror to visit Equestria in season 7, partially so we can finally confirm that she is, in fact, an alicorn.
This was a really good one. I had some reservations about the emphasis on archetypes and such, but you expressed why/how the characters avoid falling into cliches so that pretty much addressed my concerns.
The ending was truly spectacular! I'm amazed you weren't blown away, or just plain blown up, in the course of it.
Thank you Silver. While I do wish you caught up on some reviews, the analytical archtype videos are among my favorites. I am perfectly content with waiting for what ever thought provoking quality you give us.
All of this talk about the Amazon archetype and you never mentioned the most famous in pop culture of them all? Wonder woman.
That's the funny thing. Although Wonder Woman is an Amazon that might not be her archetype. She's more in line with the Queen archetype, which incorporates the virtues of the Amazon and other archetypes.
hmmmm, The obvious thing would be that Celestia would be the Queen archetype but the obvious answer is not always the correct one.
which arcutype are you doing next i love these viedios
lol she was a princess, being groomed to lead before the guy showed up..
In this case, I think Celestia is the Queen archetype. She cares for her subjects and nurtures their growth. The whole "princess" title is more for marketing.
Nice analysis of Rainbow Dash. It has me thinking of this one episode I had in mind for her in Season 7. It'd be kind of like the Kobayashi Maru Test from Star Trek. Essentially, Rainbow Dash would be leading a team of Wonder Bolts on an important and dangerous assignment that's actually a test that impossible to pass because it's designed to always have a means to counter anything attempted and see how long the testee is willing to go until they finally admit defeat.
That was amazing. It really made me think about who I was personally and face challenges in a new way. Thanks so much for inspiring me, and this is why I will always love your channel. Also, the Sonic Rainboom at the end was stunning.
silver is so darn inspirational in these videos
1:33 Even Dashie herself hates Newbie Dash. Thank you, logic.
Well, be honest, if you were in Rainbow's horseshoes, would you have considered that your proudest moment?
fictionfan0 Exactly.
blaa6 hey! I actually do like Newbie Dash!
Hey! That's not true! I actually do like Newbie Dash!
@@OneBrokenEgg Like Bo Burnham said, repeat stuff. repeat stuff.
I think an interesting take is to take down this notion that the masculine approach is the "wrong" approach to emotion. Rainbow is often blunt, straight forward and and tries to hide her emotions. Yes that can be bad, but is it really "better" to constantly express emotions, even when they aren't helpful in a situation or when you're really just dwelling on something and making it worse in your own head? Masculine and feminine approaches to emotion both have weaknesses and I think our culture's recent protectiveness of the feminine from criticism, is unhealthy. Yes, we were mistaken in discarding it so often in the past, but that doesn't mean we should act like female psychies are perfect now, or males are just defective females.
Rainbow has different strengths than her friends. She's harder to intimidate, or at least, fear is something she uses to motivate herself instead of as a warning to back off. She tries to project an aura of toughness and despite all the eye rolls from her friends, it HAS paid off as her pride is not just empty boasting. Rainbow has an attitude that you really would need to be a competitor. Fluttershy, for instance, COULD get strong or fast, but because she doesn't actively seek physical challenges and just eat the pain that comes with them, it would take much longer and probably not pay off as well. Rainbow's personality has flaws, but they have flaws for HER personality, not for say, Twilight's. She a flawed Rainbow Dash, not a defective Twilight. She doesn't want to become a heavily expressive female, she pushes to the other side of the personality spectrum.
Man...so much is explained not only about Rainbow's character but helps me personally with people. A well done video Silver
Twilight Sparkle may be the Main Protagonist in this series and the Leader of the Mane 6 & all, but it seems to me that Rainbow Dash is actually the Most Important character in this series & member of the Mane 6, MLP:FiM just wouldn't be what it has become with RD.
Perfect analysis of archetypes.
I personally, like how the character grows and changes over themselves, passing through all the subtypes of the archetype. And yes, I am waiting for your video on the fifth and sixth season.
Gotta love Dashie
I love how Quill uses the "Jet flyby with ballistic missile strike" for those laps.
Thanks, now I have even more reason why Rainbowdash is my favorite.
I think this is a great archetype for Rainbow Dash, awesome video Silver ^^
RD was one of the reason i got into MLP, she truly is awesome.
awesome vid Quill
Same here
Whatever that music was at the end was GORGEOUS and completely fit the visuals. Well done, Silver.
I don't know, I'd really rather Lightning Dust not return. Not because she's a bad character; she happens to be my favorite pony, but because of her place in the story. The whole point was that she was a character whose dreams were trampled underfoot by the careless heroes of the main cast. As someone who has struggled with suicidal urges before, I often think back to Lightning's situation, and I feel I can relate to her assumed after-episode state of misery. She was the equivalent of a GT elementary school student who just couldn't stand having to go at a snail's pace for the dullards around her, which built up a bitterness and resentment at students for being stupid and the teachers for catering to idiocy. That in particular is a situation that defined my early life, so I can relate. Now that our dreams have both been crushed by the careless, I like to think she is in a similar state to me, and the show could not depict a scenario like that. I think it's best if I can keep finding comfort in this character; she might have saved my life.
How is Silver not, you know, deaf?
What?
From all the close-ranged booms.
MLP-Silver-Quill LOLS. *passes hearing aids* Try 'em on, brother.
Can you hear us now?
I know this is late, but if Silver Quill should be deaf from those booms, Rainbow Dash should be as well.
I said it a year ago and I'll say it again: #RainbowDashIsBestPony
You know it
I like to be like Dashie, a cute tomboyish gal. Though I don't wanna join the military like she does.
Meanwhile my younger sister is in the US Army and almost joined infantry...and her mushier brother is going to college.
Yet another great Character Archetype episode that shows how _FiM_ uses them to great advantage. Well done. I hope more are on their way?
Rainbow does her rainboom, all epileptic ponies across Equestria have seizures.
Awesome and amazing After the Fact tribute video for Rainbow Dash to celebrate her special day on Equestria Daily, Silver Quill!!! Can't wait for what you do next!!!
How do you do a lewd gesture with hooves?
Very carefully. ;)
MLP-Silver-Quill Have you considered when your next episode analysis will be? I kinda miss hearing your take on them.
Did you know a hoof is an alternative form of the third falange? (middle finger)
When a pony points to the sky with just one of her front hooves (without extending her whole leg upwards); then she is "flipping the bird" [it may depend of the context, just look at her eyes]. Example: Fluttershy on a taxi [S2E19]
It Doesn't have to be flipping bird. it could biting her hoof at him (also known as the Italian F-You) or putting out her front leg and hitting the inner elbow with her left hoof (a ride gesture in france) or perhaps she used her feathers which have been shown to be able to be used as fingers in some cases
Nicholas Flowright
Wings are over-extended "hands" without an attached arm (skeleton_wise).
If a pegasus wants to "flip" one of "their birds"; given the level of dexterity they have with them doing other manual things [lots of examples from both Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash]; they will be able to pull it without much problem.
A unicorn could cast some light and move it around their horn in an oscilation pattern (the more skilled, the better the representation of the "idea"), as even a "dumb unicorn colt" can cast the "Lumos" spell [S1E06].
-> Since the lighting happens close to the eyes, the facial expression should comunicate "more" than the actual magic.
the way your style has been changing over the last few years is interesting. While i do miss watching your drinking games and continuity screen cards its also amazing to see how you've turned towards these inspirational bits that are actually really moving. Kinda like doctor wolf without as much psychology mixed in most of the time, and more explanations on why the the feelings these characters invoke are valued and justified regardless of sex or gender. While ill miss the fun and games of the past this more serious turn in your content is definitely a good one. It may seem like i'm making this comment a little late but i sadly don't have much time to watch your videos let alone comment on them. I'm glad to be able to say this now that i'm sure that this is at least a semi-permanent move. good job and i hope this does you well.
Hey Silver, since this is an older video idk if you’ll see this comment but wanted to put this anyway. Back when I was a kid/early teens, I was going through my mlp special interest and your videos, along with other reviewers and analysts were a big part of my enjoyment of the series. You in particular taught me a lot with this series in particular and I found a major enjoyment in character and media analysis. And now that I’m older and at university, I’m actually pursuing a degree in media studies and English Literature so I can continue doing just that. Watching back this video about my favourite pony from when I was 8-14, and it’s still really funny and interesting and it made me remember why Rainbow Dash was my favourite. All in all I hope you’re doing well and thank you for everything❤️
Very well-done. It is not often that this kind of discussion is made among the community, and I heavily encourage similar discussions in the future. The more we understand others, the better we can get along and communicate well.
Really, I would love if you could analyze other archetypes like this. Understanding many perspectives and personalities is something I really enjoy, and I believe that you (and maybe Dr. Wolf as well) are really good at presenting these in an easily accessible way.
The only glass ceiling is the one made by yourself.
When you do these character analysis videos I start hearing Persona Series music.
>Talks about gender
>Uses the term gender role
Thank you, seriously thank you. Thank you for using actual terminology and not misusing it. It's so refreshing to hear someone talking properly about the subject for once.
11:19 Sunset why are you here?"
It's great to hear your voice again Silver 😊
as far as role models in the show goes, Rainbow is right up there with Rarity as a top tier character. ~
I've been loving the videos covering your panels and the archetypes. I enjoy your presentations and they always give me something to think about and reflect on. I'm looking forward to see future videos!
Amazing video quill :D also it was awesome to finally meet you at Ponycon!! I was the one who was talking about the card game XD
which card game?
i am LOVING these types of videos hat talk about character concepts etc
Thanks, Silver. Your videos are awesome and I love this one so much. You also helped remind me of some of my not so great qualities. In a good way. I identify with Dash a great deal. That's why this meant so much and why the end of this video has me in tears. It's so beautiful. Silver...thank you so much. From the bottom of my heart. I wish you lots of love, acceptance, happiness and kindness. You are so very worth it.
I wonder what is Maud Pie's Archetype
I'd say "The Stoic"
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheStoic
Natasel: Or Stone Faced. Also: tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheComicallySerious fits Maud quite well.
RAINBOW DASH IS MY ALL TIME FAVORITE CHARACTER SHE IS SO AWESOME!!!!!!!!!
make it 20% awesome!
Rainbow Dash is best pony, and this video sums up everything that she does and feels! :)
Rainbow is my favorite character.
I'm defiantly not an Amazon character and more of whatever kind of character Flutershy or Twilight is. However, I am motivated to prove that girls are just as capable as boys. While there's no way I myself can prove tat girls are just as athletic as boys because of my own limitations, that doesn't mean that I'm weak. I've had to endure a lot frustration and pain growing up because I was born with conditions that made everyday tasks that most normal people are able to preform without a sweat. However, too many times I've seen perfectly capable people give up on something when they felt like it became too difficult. However, in those situations where I was somehow involved, I didn't give up like they did. I strived to do better and work even harder. For example, in middle when I signed up as a backstage hand for a school play, a lot kids had a hard trying to open a band new paint of can. When someone left to go find help, I decided to step in and managed to finally twist that stubborn lid open. Before you go thinking that someone had already loosened it before me, I actually noticed that the last person was twisting it the wrong way, making it tighter. I'll admit that I'm not the strongest person out there, but I managed to succeed where others failed simply because I was determined to finish something and stuck to it no matter how hard it was. I realize that opening a simple paint can doesn't exactly sound like a great accomplishment, but when you think about the hidden meaning behind it, there's quite a lot to say that actually aligns with what the Amazon Archetype represents: the determination and defiance to go beyond one's own imagine to civilization can prove oneself to be as capable or even more so that what others originally thought. In other words, don't let yourself be defined by what you are to others and show what you are truly capable of on your own terms. Opening that stubborn paint can was my way of proving just how strong I can be without stepping outside who I am and even a way to gain respect. Sounds silly? Most defiantly. Was this pointless? Not a chance. Even the littlest of things can show that there's a little bit of an Amazon in all of us, no mater how insignificant it may seem.
Honestly? It's pretty clear to me that the Archetypes are just as fluid and intermingling as the Myers-Briggs Personalities- they're meant to describe flat trends, stereotypes if you will, that some fill better than others and some not at all. That's why when you take the tests for how you fit into the latter set, it gives you your four letters based on *percentages.* Even the type given to you, no matter how accurate the test is, doesn't describe you as a whole. It's really just meant to compare you to others and describe patterns, not give you a full map of your very soul. You can be mostly A, but with a fair bit of B and a squidge of C and D, but people will still call you A because that's the majority, even if you're completely different to most other A's.
silver u are truly a inspiration to all and ur so calm about it that it is soothing to hear, thank you for always doing great
Very insightful, Silver! I really enjoyed this one :D
8:35 Either that Silver or they heard somepony say Frau Blucher
You're the best, silver, your videos always give me chills
Okay, I actually got chills seeing that rainbow.
"It's not the absence of fear, but rather it's defeat." Green Lantern Rainbow Dash anyone?
Always a pleasure to hear your thoughts on these characters. It's gotten me curious about Jungian Archetypes.
Though I admit I was hoping to see Rainbow Dash do something I've only seen in my headcanon: Light Boom - Rainboom, then go so fast the colors turn into white light. Prisms and stuff.
Here's hoping this is below the cut.
Silver Quill: *talks about The Castrator*
Me: *sees the most visible women in the Democratic Party*
I think the biggest thing about an Amazon is that they see in performance and want their friends to be the best that they can be. That drive can make them come across as quite insensitive to those without that same inner passion, or those that have a different view on what "advancement" means.
Always wished you'd make more of these now that it's over, you wouldn't be rushed or having to go in order with episodes.
RD is my favorite of the mane 6!
hurray, we get to celebrate Rainbow Dash's achievements, We're all so proud of hi-errr *clears my throat* _her_
What's the biggest change that would happen if Rainbow Dash were male?
2: She'd get shipped with MORE characters.
1: People would accuse her of being gay instead of being a lesbian.
I love the way you analize the show
That was masterful! I've been waiting for someone to get into the archetypes of this show and BOY HOWDY did I get the stuff I was looking for!
A.G.
The Third Doctor said something once that makes me think of the Amazon, and Rainbow Dash, "Courage isn't a matter of being afraid you know. It's being afraid and doing what you have to do anyway."
Everyone has many archetypes is very true. I do believe it is why many love this shows' characters. For the most part, we get to see that. :)
A good example of the Amazon as well? Sailor Jupiter. She’s almost 6 feet tall, is super strong and wears a delinquent esque attire. But she loves making clothes and is a great cook. She accepts her feminine side but is still a physical power house
I hope you can do more of these archetype videos!
I like these archetype videos. I hope we get more
Dashie remains best pony. And always will.
Hence the reason I want to do an itasha inspired by her out of a Mustang...why a Mustang? Because it was originally a "Secretary Car" but through racing, iconic design and just being a practical coupe, has become an American staple, much like MLP.
i think this is the first explosion since Silver's birth that didn't send him to a hospital
That ending tune was beautiful.
So are we going to get a video on the archetypes of the whole Mane Six? Cause, that's all kinds of awesome!!
I thought the neighing was Silver's own jewels since his hind end is that of a horse.
Damn it why is everything you make so BEAUTIFUL
Dammit Rainbow, quit breakin the laws of thermodynamics!
I love this video, it shows that both girls an boys are on the same playground. Also, that rainbow
thank you for something interesting, informative and motivating
I can only comment on this video here and not in the Equestria Daily post, because I've had to ban myself from their comments section. They hurt me one too many times, and I won't give them the satisfaction of hurting me more. That said, good presentation, Silver.
It's one of those things where I want you to go back to talking about episodes, but at the same time these videos are super interesting... Stop playing with my emotions! I'm not your puppet!
Odd that in terms of appearance, many in the fandom flatout refuse to allow Rainbow's amazon aspects to express itself in art interpretations and go the other extreme: often giving her a body in complete contradiction to how Rainbow would live her life. Save for not having any fat, Rainbow is depeted as physically inferior compared to her rivals in physical competitions. Even the onlookers or Fluttershy look better in a bar fight. It's a little sad.
I don't like people calling Rainbow the tomboy of the group. I don't think she is. She's the athletic one, yes, but she's not a tomboy. She brash and headstrong, yes, but she's still clearly feminine. She can appreciate nice clothing, even if she doesn't have patience to model. She's still more feminine than AJ.
I think that Apple Jack is the tomboy. She's more hardworking in the classical sense, and has no time or care for feminine things, such as when Apple Bloom tried wearing a ribbon around her hat (I forgot the episode name).
I think that Rainbow is supposed to be the athlete while AJ is the tomboy.
I just don't like people thinking they're the same. I went to school with plenty of girls who were extremely feminine, but could easily fit into this description for the Amazon, while plenty of tomboy couldn't care less about sport or competition.
Just my thought, and might be an idea for you to talk about, Silver Quill.
I'd you've read this, bump it up to the top. I hope SQ sees it. I think it gives AJ a bit more purpose to the series. As the character I identify most with, I want to see her be recognised as a part of the group and a representation of a type of girl other than "cowboy" which seems to be all she gets.
Ummm, any advice for those of us who may have fallen into the passive archetype?
Questionair Umm what are you feeling
Awesome. ^_^ Hey, what was that song at the end?
Silverquill plays Mighty Magisword Footage.
Fangasms internally.
5:36 I never noticed Lyra hopping around like a jumping bean until I watched this video.
Awesome Silver! More Arcetypes please
Didn't expect the Mighty Magiswords clips, nice one, hypogriff
and thank you for such wonderful content over the years. Rainbow is kind of tied with applejack as my 3rd favortie of the main six. At firist, I wasn't the biggest fan of her but I never hated her or anything. I love how this show, even at its low points can created depth if you look for it. Sure the writers are just making a kids show and probably didn't take such complex factors into account but it there at least.
I love these episodes. Learning more about characters from this show is always so much fun. I can't wait for the next Archetype episode. I really hope it's Fluttershy.
Thank you. Good analysis but the super epic mega rainboom was the part of the perfect ending to my day. Thanks again /)
I find these examinations of the characters and their archetypes to be very interesting Silver Quill. Its a lot of fun to see how these characters connect to a much wider cultural mythos. I am interested in character archetypes myself and wonder were you found the information for this material. Was this information found in Jung's Collective Unconscious or were there other sources?
You: castrator
(All the stallions cry out)
All the mares: um, what are you doing
9:21 like Gilda for example, in the one episode:"The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone" if we see her having a change of heart, then I'm pretty sure that we'll see Lightning Dust do the same. if we see this in season 7 however, I hope.
That stuff about Rainbow Dash having a dad does make sense. I do know in that scene that this was her dad. People think that her parents were similar to her.
It wasn't her dad. They said it wasn't.
I absolutely love Archetype talk, especially when Shadows are involved.
okay, I am starting to miss the Silver abuse now