A friendly bit of advice from someone who has tried making youtube videos (not very successfully). Your introductions are way too long. You talked for a full 5:00 before shooting the first pellet. You will lose a lot of viewers that way. I respect your effort and your success at this, but I think this might help your viewership minutes per video and maybe gain you some subscribers as well.
Thanks, I appreciate your advice. I am conscious of this and the length of some of my videos. I've mentioned this at times, but the feedback I receive is don't change anything. Further, my analytics are showing continual growth and improvement in all areas so I don't want to interfere with that at the moment. All the best. 🙂👍
Hi Jeff, It's nice to see you again and view your latest instalment. I was pleased to see the JSB Exacts do very well. Although, I like the Bisleys and BSA Goldstar. On the advice of a very good gunsmith, I've stuck to what he advised me to do with pellets. He advised me to use the lighter 8.4 gr pellets in my springers and the heavies 10.34/10.65 grains in my pcp air rifles. The principle is the release of air. In a pcp air rifle, when the trigger is pulled, all the air is released at once. In a springer, it is a gradual increase as the piston moves up the compression chamber, reaching the top and giving its full allocation of air. I thought the JSB groups were good. I lost faith in the Air Arms pellets as in my last tin most had damaged skirts and was disappointing to see. Anyway, Jeff, best wishes, from Ian
I shoot HFT and use barracuda FT everyone says 8.44gr are best for HFT but in my testing FT’s were best for my gun. I tested all the usual suspects most grouped well are 25yds but when i went out to 45yds they were clearly grouping the best. There is more of a drop obviously but a scope adjustment and Mero take care of that. In my opinion anecdotally they seam to take less wind than a 8.44gr pellet. I think you’re like me with the single shot loader I’m that accustomed to single shot in HFT I forget about the mag, if I go plinking for fun I’ll have been shooting a while the suddenly think why am I not using mag😂 BTW I shoot an AirMaks Krait off sticks in HFT, maybe a topic for a future video for you HFT off of sticks. I know others have done them but I like your style and take on the various topics you’ve covered
Thanks for sharing. I bought a sleeve of the FT's a while back with the intention of switching to them for HFT and haven't got around to it yet. I'll add the sticks idea to my list thanks. 🙂👍
Don’t see the point of pellet testing in the wind. It was obvious from the video that it was blowing harder when testing some pellets than others and funnily enough the pellets with the tighter groups were the ones shot when the wind was blowing less. And also in windy conditions be the nature of the pellet being heavier it will usually group better due to it having less effect on it from the wind. Perhaps try this again indoors as the results will be noticeably different. Also, as the ghost has variable power adjustment try turning the power wheel down or up a few numbers. Some pellets that don’t group as well on max power group brilliantly on one or two numbers lower. Pellet testing is as much about finding the right pellet for the barrel as it is finding the right speed to shoot the pellet at… try different pellet head sizes too. You may find that ur best pellet is one that shoots better on power setting lower than max with a head size you wouldn’t normally shoot.
Thanks for your comments. Tackling the wind is an important part of HFT so I need to know how the pellets I choose perform outside where I do 99.9% of my shooting. I really don't enjoy shooting inside! I'm already planning to test different power levels with the ghost as mentioned in a previous video. 🙂👍
Sorry, I think I was mostly talking to myself, old people like me do that a lot, lol. I think I was referring to the 3 shot clover-leaf group on the centre target. 👍
Are all these pellets the same skirt size, as this can affect the way the pellet travel’s down the rifling in the barrel. I find my AA410 carbine prefers small skirts of exactly 4.50 in 177 calibre, tested 11 different pellets and all the 4.51 and 4.52 skirt types performed less well.
I think you may be confused? The measurements that you mention; 4.50, 4.51, 4.52, are in fact the pellet head sizes not skirt sizes. In my experience, provided the pellets are from the same manufacturer, the skirt size doesn't factor as the air will expand them out into the rifling.
Hft is not so much about group size like benchrest is but predictablility. A pellet that is consistent in the amount of wind and drop it takes so it's poi can be accuratly predicted is what will put more points on your card and the 10.3's are certainly good in the wind. I have used the JSB heavies myself and find that going up about 5 or 6mm higher on the mounts compared to a 8.4 setup brings the aimpoints to very nearly the same.
Haven't got a ghost, but I've found that if I want a heavy hitter the H+N Barracuda match at 10.65gr produce great results..enjoyed the video as always 👍
No complaints so far. my neighbours' properties are quite well spaced and I tend to pick my moments to shoot. When I do shoot in the garden it's for an hour tops and I'm always 'moderated'. I wonder sometimes whether they actually know that I'm shooting?
I enjoyed watching this test with the heavies, but I think I've come across a pellet that you didn't try, yet could outdo the JSB's, they are the Webley AccuMAX at 10.65 grain. I was very surprised with those through both my BSA R10se and HW100kt. How about trying the JSB against the AccuMAX in another vid?
I have a backwards question. I use a Diana Chaser CO2 pistol to "convince" pigeons to stay off my roof. What are the slowest pellets? Specifically pellets that slow down the quickest? If I miss a pigeon on my roof (10-20 yds) the pellet continues an unknown distance. What I would like to find is a pellet formed like a badminton shuttle. Quick for a little bit, then slows dramatically. Is there such a thing?
That's the opposite of what pellets are designed to do. I don't know whether waddcutter pellets will behave that way? Pest controllers often use a lower power for short range pigeons, especially in barns.
@@hftshooter Agree, hence the question. I'm presently using wadcutters (Meisterkugeln .177 Professional Line in 7.0 gm) and they do fine for accuracy but in a suburb, I'd like to find a way to limit the travel. If I use the rifle barrel on the Diana Chaser, it's more accurate as it's faster but a miss means a pellet going quite a ways. No idea how far that is. There is no power control on the Diana so either I modify the CO2 valve or buy another gun. Anyway, thanks for the response.
ooooyou are such a tease 🤪🤪🤪🤪 new gun . out to longer distance for magazine or single shot tray that’s when you might notice a difference. heavy pellets work in my guns but there is a small difference in the curve not such a problem at target shooting one distance but if you going short and far the trajectory cuve is a little different to a lighter pellet although not a massive difference until you get out to 55 yards
Yes, definitely worth a test at longer distances. However, just watched that 'sniper elite' blokes video and his magazine shots were all over the place at 20 metres.
@@hftshooter to be fair i think a lot of it depends on the mag daystate ones are pretty good for me . air arms mags i have 3 one is s**t the other 2 are pretty good . i tend to use signal shot loaders stops me from blowing through 500 pellets a session 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You have to try Zan slugs 13g in your ghost my one shot clover leaf groups all day long at 45 yds .. if you use a good quality card targets you will get clean holes no tears almost like they were paper punched.
Hi Andy. I was thinking of doing a slug test video, but everyone else that I've seen using them in a sub12 rifles has found them useless. They're expensive to buy so don't want to be left with a load of useless lead.
Hi, I've tried 10g and 13g slugs and I'd say save your money that or get the small amount you can. Muzzle velocity is so slow making 8/9ft/lb and the accuracy in mine is only ok at best, not a patch on JSB Heavys.
Happy Friday Jeff, cool video.. to all the other viewers it's PARTY AT JEFFS HOUSE, HIS WIFE IS AWAY AND HE'S GOT AN EMPTY (in Scotland that means you've got an EMPTY house for partying),🤣🤣✌️🤟👍 I got some of the JSB 10.34 gr last week, I've still to try them but like you were saying a lot of guys swear by them for target and hunting.. and good to know your a fellow keyboardist.. you've probably spend a lot of time programming song ideas👍👍👍 I've used Pro Tools, Cubase,etc Ableton live is my favourite .. anyway Jeff have a great weekend.. it's party time 🤣🤣👍🤟✌️
Happy Friday Johnny. I've been playing in bands, writing and recording music since the 80s. Always been into synthpop! Started out on Cakewalk and moved to Reason when they added audio tracks. If you like a bit of synthpop check out my other channel @jeffmccallmusic. 🙂👍
I knew you were musical Jeff.. even your music for your channel I knew you did that👍👍 I like "boing" noise when the target goes down at the opening music of your channel.. 🤣🤣yeh Reason and Cakewalk.. I dabbled with them my guitarist still uses Reason, I took to Ableton Live more so than Pro tools or Cubase.. Yeh I'm gonna check out your other channel.. this is great stuff Jeff👍🤟🤔❤️ you'll remember the Moog and Roland Juno 6.. lynn drum machines.. TR808, SH 100 etc. All the old good stuff.. 🤟👍✌️I have so many amazing plugins.. to many to mention but you end up doing and recording a full orchestra until the sun comes up.. I know you've done that before 🤣🤣🤣 yeh I been in bands like you, signed and unsigned.. done a lot of pro backing vocals for artists.. anyway we would have a lot to chat about our days with music😂😂👍👍👍I got a covers band called Sonic Bullet there's a lot of songs on UA-cam, we did it live into a laptop when we were under lockdown.. the quality isn't great but we had to do something cause we were going mental with covid restrictions.. sorry im getting carried away Jeff.. 🤣🤣got a bit excited there.. 🤣🤣yeh guns and music go together me thinks.. 👍👍❤️ we all could be at yours right now having a shooting party 🤣🤣my bad.. check out Johnny Houston-Going Nowhere.. and Yellow and No time to lose on UA-cam when you get a minute or to.. have an awesome weekend Jeff.. ps Scotland are getting humped by the Germans.. 😂😂😂👍🤟✌️
@@johnnyhouston9913 Hi Johnny, I checked out your music and I thought it sounded great. The laptop recording wasn't bad at all. You have a very distinctive singing voice, by that I mean it's easy to tell it's you singing. Do you still have the long hair? My style was always the early Midge Ure look; even had the manicured moustache at one point! 🤣 All the best, Jeff.
Hi bro.. sorry I never got back sooner one of my pals sent my something and left a bug in my phone.. had to delete everything and start again.. it was a pain in the ass.. anyway I must have went through all your songs.. I makes it more enjoyable cause I kind of know you and your really talented so I enjoyed listening to your stuff Jeff.. you are definitely the most 80's guy I have ever heard off❤️❤️ but loved your stuff.. I had a party on my own and listened to your songs all night.. it was a good night Jeff. 👍👍😍😍 Yeh me still has long hair and 🤣🤣 going a bit grey now 🤣🤣🤣 but still rocking it out. I think there's about 16-17 songs with the duet ban called Sonic Bullet.. I'm not sure how many songs are on there to be honest Jeff.. but your a great musician and I did like your songs.. one song popped out...on my mind or something like that I could myself listening to that in my head walking. Down the street. And thinking of passing it on to Depeche mode.. what you think about that..👍👍👍😍😍❤️🤟✌️
@@jonathanreed2497 I just found time to run the heavies through the chrono and I'm getting an average 710fps which is 11.5 ft.lbs so all good thanks. 🙂👍
A friendly bit of advice from someone who has tried making youtube videos (not very successfully). Your introductions are way too long. You talked for a full 5:00 before shooting the first pellet. You will lose a lot of viewers that way. I respect your effort and your success at this, but I think this might help your viewership minutes per video and maybe gain you some subscribers as well.
Thanks, I appreciate your advice. I am conscious of this and the length of some of my videos. I've mentioned this at times, but the feedback I receive is don't change anything. Further, my analytics are showing continual growth and improvement in all areas so I don't want to interfere with that at the moment. All the best. 🙂👍
Hi Jeff,
It's nice to see you again and view your latest instalment.
I was pleased to see the JSB Exacts do very well. Although, I like the Bisleys and BSA Goldstar.
On the advice of a very good gunsmith, I've stuck to what he advised me to do with pellets. He advised me to use the lighter 8.4 gr pellets in my springers and the heavies 10.34/10.65 grains in my pcp air rifles. The principle is the release of air.
In a pcp air rifle, when the trigger is pulled, all the air is released at once. In a springer, it is a gradual increase as the piston moves up the compression chamber, reaching the top and giving its full allocation of air.
I thought the JSB groups were good. I lost faith in the Air Arms pellets as in my last tin most had damaged skirts and was disappointing to see.
Anyway, Jeff, best wishes, from Ian
Hi Ian, that sounds totally plausible. Might be why some say that springers will drift less in the wind than PCPs. Thanks for sharing. 😀👍
I shoot HFT and use barracuda FT everyone says 8.44gr are best for HFT but in my testing FT’s were best for my gun. I tested all the usual suspects most grouped well are 25yds but when i went out to 45yds they were clearly grouping the best. There is more of a drop obviously but a scope adjustment and Mero take care of that. In my opinion anecdotally they seam to take less wind than a 8.44gr pellet.
I think you’re like me with the single shot loader I’m that accustomed to single shot in HFT I forget about the mag, if I go plinking for fun I’ll have been shooting a while the suddenly think why am I not using mag😂
BTW I shoot an AirMaks Krait off sticks in HFT, maybe a topic for a future video for you HFT off of sticks. I know others have done them but I like your style and take on the various topics you’ve covered
Thanks for sharing. I bought a sleeve of the FT's a while back with the intention of switching to them for HFT and haven't got around to it yet. I'll add the sticks idea to my list thanks. 🙂👍
Try daystate rangemaster sovereign hunters 10.33grain you will be amazed 👌
Will do. Been meaning to try those and the lighter ones when I can get my hands on some. Am I right in thinking they're made by JSB?
Be interesting to see the drop at 45 yards with the jsb heavy pellets compared to the 8.4 grain.
I expect they'll definitely drop more but will they still group well? Another test to go on the list. 🙂👍
Don’t see the point of pellet testing in the wind. It was obvious from the video that it was blowing harder when testing some pellets than others and funnily enough the pellets with the tighter groups were the ones shot when the wind was blowing less. And also in windy conditions be the nature of the pellet being heavier it will usually group better due to it having less effect on it from the wind. Perhaps try this again indoors as the results will be noticeably different. Also, as the ghost has variable power adjustment try turning the power wheel down or up a few numbers. Some pellets that don’t group as well on max power group brilliantly on one or two numbers lower. Pellet testing is as much about finding the right pellet for the barrel as it is finding the right speed to shoot the pellet at… try different pellet head sizes too. You may find that ur best pellet is one that shoots better on power setting lower than max with a head size you wouldn’t normally shoot.
Thanks for your comments. Tackling the wind is an important part of HFT so I need to know how the pellets I choose perform outside where I do 99.9% of my shooting. I really don't enjoy shooting inside! I'm already planning to test different power levels with the ghost as mentioned in a previous video. 🙂👍
I was really surprised when I last used the Exact Heavies from 30 to 60m indoors and outdoors in the HW97, might have to get a few more tins
The heaviest I've been with my 97 is the H&N baracuda FT and they looked pretty good. I'll have to give the JSB heavies a try. 🙂👍
It was 4 shots and one flyer of the Bisley Magnum in the small group and not 3 pellets, as you has shot 6 pellets instead of 5.
Sorry, I think I was mostly talking to myself, old people like me do that a lot, lol. I think I was referring to the 3 shot clover-leaf group on the centre target. 👍
Does anyone shoot .22 anymore lol
Yes John. I have a .22 barrel kit for this rifle and have shot it in .22 on a previous video. 🙂👍
@@hftshooter cool I'll go and watch
Are all these pellets the same skirt size, as this can affect the way the pellet travel’s down the rifling in the barrel. I find my AA410 carbine prefers small skirts of exactly 4.50 in 177 calibre, tested 11 different pellets and all the 4.51 and 4.52 skirt types performed less well.
I think you may be confused? The measurements that you mention; 4.50, 4.51, 4.52, are in fact the pellet head sizes not skirt sizes. In my experience, provided the pellets are from the same manufacturer, the skirt size doesn't factor as the air will expand them out into the rifling.
Hft is not so much about group size like benchrest is but predictablility. A pellet that is consistent in the amount of wind and drop it takes so it's poi can be accuratly predicted is what will put more points on your card and the 10.3's are certainly good in the wind. I have used the JSB heavies myself and find that going up about 5 or 6mm higher on the mounts compared to a 8.4 setup brings the aimpoints to very nearly the same.
Great comment, thanks for sharing! 😀👍
Haven't got a ghost, but I've found that if I want a heavy hitter the H+N Barracuda match at 10.65gr produce great results..enjoyed the video as always 👍
Thanks for the info! 🙂👍
Always use Jsb heavies,the only rifle I've owned which didn't shoot them well was an FX Wildcat.
Thanks for sharing. 🙂👍
Found bisley mags the worst quality of the "upper" brands. damaged skirts and big weight variations in a single tin
The tin I have isn't that bad as far as pellet quality, but then I didn't buy it recently.
I have found the JSB Exact Heavy pellets give the best results for my Ghost and FX Dreamline.
Thanks for sharing! 😀👍
Surprised the AAs didn’t drift more in that wind. Shame you couldn’t push the distance a bit, comparing different weights.
I could have shot them further but wanted to do a 25 yard comparison with the indoor test. Might be worth doing the whole lot again at 40-45? 🙂👍
Another informative vids,thanks. sorry if its been asked prior. do you have complaints/issues with neighbours regards using the garden to shoot?
No complaints so far. my neighbours' properties are quite well spaced and I tend to pick my moments to shoot. When I do shoot in the garden it's for an hour tops and I'm always 'moderated'. I wonder sometimes whether they actually know that I'm shooting?
I enjoyed watching this test with the heavies, but I think I've come across a pellet that you didn't try, yet could outdo the JSB's, they are the Webley AccuMAX at 10.65 grain. I was very surprised with those through both my BSA R10se and HW100kt. How about trying the JSB against the AccuMAX in another vid?
Great suggestion! I'll have to look out for some. 🙂👍
@@hftshooter If needed, I can send you some. 👍
I have a backwards question. I use a Diana Chaser CO2 pistol to "convince" pigeons to stay off my roof. What are the slowest pellets? Specifically pellets that slow down the quickest? If I miss a pigeon on my roof (10-20 yds) the pellet continues an unknown distance. What I would like to find is a pellet formed like a badminton shuttle. Quick for a little bit, then slows dramatically. Is there such a thing?
That's the opposite of what pellets are designed to do. I don't know whether waddcutter pellets will behave that way? Pest controllers often use a lower power for short range pigeons, especially in barns.
@@hftshooter Agree, hence the question. I'm presently using wadcutters (Meisterkugeln .177 Professional Line in 7.0 gm) and they do fine for accuracy but in a suburb, I'd like to find a way to limit the travel. If I use the rifle barrel on the Diana Chaser, it's more accurate as it's faster but a miss means a pellet going quite a ways. No idea how far that is. There is no power control on the Diana so either I modify the CO2 valve or buy another gun. Anyway, thanks for the response.
The weather looks as good in Cambs as it is here in Norfolk abysmal, suprisingly good results in that wind 👍
Yes, I expected a lot more drift than that. 😀👍
ooooyou are such a tease 🤪🤪🤪🤪 new gun . out to longer distance for magazine or single shot tray that’s when you might notice a difference. heavy pellets work in my guns but there is a small difference in the curve not such a problem at target shooting one distance but if you going short and far the trajectory cuve is a little different to a lighter pellet although not a massive difference until you get out to 55 yards
Yes, definitely worth a test at longer distances. However, just watched that 'sniper elite' blokes video and his magazine shots were all over the place at 20 metres.
@@hftshooter to be fair i think a lot of it depends on the mag daystate ones are pretty good for me . air arms mags i have 3 one is s**t the other 2 are pretty good . i tend to use signal shot loaders stops me from blowing through 500 pellets a session 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think the 'flyer' was because you double loaded.
I think you may be right. I just watched that section of the video again and only counted 9 pellet holes. 🙂👍
How many meters ..maybe i missed it .but very nice clip.
The range was 25 yards, so 22.86 metres. 👍
You have to try Zan slugs 13g in your ghost my one shot clover leaf groups all day long at 45 yds .. if you use a good quality card targets you will get clean holes no tears almost like they were paper punched.
Hi Andy. I was thinking of doing a slug test video, but everyone else that I've seen using them in a sub12 rifles has found them useless. They're expensive to buy so don't want to be left with a load of useless lead.
Hi, I've tried 10g and 13g slugs and I'd say save your money that or get the small amount you can. Muzzle velocity is so slow making 8/9ft/lb and the accuracy in mine is only ok at best, not a patch on JSB Heavys.
Happy Friday Jeff, cool video.. to all the other viewers it's PARTY AT JEFFS HOUSE, HIS WIFE IS AWAY AND HE'S GOT AN EMPTY (in Scotland that means you've got an EMPTY house for partying),🤣🤣✌️🤟👍 I got some of the JSB 10.34 gr last week, I've still to try them but like you were saying a lot of guys swear by them for target and hunting.. and good to know your a fellow keyboardist.. you've probably spend a lot of time programming song ideas👍👍👍 I've used Pro Tools, Cubase,etc Ableton live is my favourite .. anyway Jeff have a great weekend.. it's party time 🤣🤣👍🤟✌️
Happy Friday Johnny. I've been playing in bands, writing and recording music since the 80s. Always been into synthpop! Started out on Cakewalk and moved to Reason when they added audio tracks. If you like a bit of synthpop check out my other channel @jeffmccallmusic. 🙂👍
I knew you were musical Jeff.. even your music for your channel I knew you did that👍👍 I like "boing" noise when the target goes down at the opening music of your channel.. 🤣🤣yeh Reason and Cakewalk.. I dabbled with them my guitarist still uses Reason, I took to Ableton Live more so than Pro tools or Cubase.. Yeh I'm gonna check out your other channel.. this is great stuff Jeff👍🤟🤔❤️ you'll remember the Moog and Roland Juno 6.. lynn drum machines.. TR808, SH 100 etc. All the old good stuff.. 🤟👍✌️I have so many amazing plugins.. to many to mention but you end up doing and recording a full orchestra until the sun comes up.. I know you've done that before 🤣🤣🤣 yeh I been in bands like you, signed and unsigned.. done a lot of pro backing vocals for artists.. anyway we would have a lot to chat about our days with music😂😂👍👍👍I got a covers band called Sonic Bullet there's a lot of songs on UA-cam, we did it live into a laptop when we were under lockdown.. the quality isn't great but we had to do something cause we were going mental with covid restrictions.. sorry im getting carried away Jeff.. 🤣🤣got a bit excited there.. 🤣🤣yeh guns and music go together me thinks.. 👍👍❤️ we all could be at yours right now having a shooting party 🤣🤣my bad.. check out Johnny Houston-Going Nowhere.. and Yellow and No time to lose on UA-cam when you get a minute or to.. have an awesome weekend Jeff.. ps Scotland are getting humped by the Germans.. 😂😂😂👍🤟✌️
@@johnnyhouston9913 Hi Johnny, I checked out your music and I thought it sounded great. The laptop recording wasn't bad at all. You have a very distinctive singing voice, by that I mean it's easy to tell it's you singing. Do you still have the long hair? My style was always the early Midge Ure look; even had the manicured moustache at one point! 🤣
All the best,
Jeff.
Hi bro.. sorry I never got back sooner one of my pals sent my something and left a bug in my phone.. had to delete everything and start again.. it was a pain in the ass.. anyway I must have went through all your songs.. I makes it more enjoyable cause I kind of know you and your really talented so I enjoyed listening to your stuff Jeff.. you are definitely the most 80's guy I have ever heard off❤️❤️ but loved your stuff.. I had a party on my own and listened to your songs all night.. it was a good night Jeff. 👍👍😍😍 Yeh me still has long hair and 🤣🤣 going a bit grey now 🤣🤣🤣 but still rocking it out. I think there's about 16-17 songs with the duet ban called Sonic Bullet.. I'm not sure how many songs are on there to be honest Jeff.. but your a great musician and I did like your songs.. one song popped out...on my mind or something like that I could myself listening to that in my head walking. Down the street. And thinking of passing it on to Depeche mode.. what you think about that..👍👍👍😍😍❤️🤟✌️
Is that form hand grip on your ghost
Yes, it's a unique green laminate one. 🙂
Bisley mags are Barracuda heavies .
Thanks for the info. I didn't know H&N make them. 🙂👍
did you check fps / power . Most pcp like heavy pellets and will give a higher power output despite the drop in fps
No I didn't specifically check the power in these tests, but I know that with the heaviest pellets my rifle is still legally below 12 ft.lb. 👍
Just tried heavies in my brand new Ghost, they do tend to run hot probably best to double check!
@@jonathanreed2497 I just found time to run the heavies through the chrono and I'm getting an average 710fps which is 11.5 ft.lbs so all good thanks. 🙂👍