Yea & idk if it’s just me but I never felt Cyclops was the leader in any of the X-Men cartoons either like they either focused on the Proffesor for leader ship or the team as a whole
This movie is rough, but Magneto's line, "Charles Xavier did more for mutant kind than you will ever know," makes it sort of worth watching. Glad it resonated with you guys too, it's my favorite Magneto line in all three of these.
Technically the post credits scene does go somewhere. In the end of The Wolverine, he goes home and gets stopped by a now alive Prof X and a repowered up Magneto. It does then lead to a time skip following X men Days of Future Past.
@@jeslan9773 the first class universe isn’t a direct prequel to the original trilogy , it’s more a soft reboot, lots of things don’t add up like that whole Xavier/Mystique ‘ brothers ‘ thing, they never mention that.
@@domingorubies656 exactly, that's not even what I'm saying. I'm saying X-Men 3 is continued in The Wolverine with Prof X and Magneto being in the ending leading to the dire future in X-Men Days of Future Past which is then changed by the Younger timeline which erases the events in the old movies completely. Hence "soft reboot" I never even mentioned first class.
It so went over her head.😂. He stood there and looked at her to see if she caught on but she never did. I’m sure he would have wanted the life sucked outta him.🤣
In regards to the post-credits scene, that isn't just "some guy in a coma" - that's the Professor's vegetative twin brother, and Moira McTaggart caring for him.
"Mystique is probably my favorite character" - words that have never been spoken about Rebecca Romijn's portrayal until now. It will be interesting to see what Jen thinks of Jennifer Lawrence. I thought she was pretty good in First Class and DOFP, but because she is JENNIFER LAWRENCE they gave her too much to do in Apocalypse (which wasn't really the problem with that movie).
I personally always thought Jennifer Lawrence is extremely overrated. I think she was an awful choice for Mystique and only got cast because she was huge in Hollywood at the time (the Hunger Games were in theaters at the same time) and also why her character was shoved down our throats throughout the whole First Class trilogy.
Jean's powers getting boosted is actually suggested and hinted at very subtlety in the first film. When Magneto uses Rogue to power the machine, the wave washes over everyone, and when they destroy the machine, Jean has a very clear reaction to it. It's one shot, no dialogue, but it's RIGHT there. The machine that unleashed the X-gene in regular humans did something to her, too. That's why the second movie opens with her talking about losing control of her abilities, no longer being able to filter the mental noise, etc. Bryan Singer (along with Tom DeSanto and David Hayter) knew exactly what they were doing with that one single shot.
I agree my man Scott got the short end of the stick. He's one of the founding members of the X-Men in the comics, and plays a pivotal role in their story...in these movies he's relegated mostly to the role of plot device romantic interest. Jean's death was also pretty lame, I think any of the ideas you folks presented would have been better
Its not like James Mardsen was spectacular either. Hes a prick in all 3 movies most of the time and a lot of that is writting but James to me did not do a very great job.
Yeah, and Scott gets the shaft in the first couple movies too because Bryan Singer infamously didn't care to read the comics and just crammed the 90's animated series. Great show but not the way to familiarize with the characters he chose to use. Bryan Singer didn't like Cyclops but chose to use him anyway while shifting any leadership qualities to Wolverine. Cyclops is basically X-Men's Captain America when it comes to maintaining a cool head in battle, brilliant tactical analysis, and leadership with team comps & strategy.
The one thing that this movie is incredible at is giving us that moral dilemma, bringing up thoughts and issues that rival the original X-Men animated show. The later films don't do that at all and without that gravity, stake and feel that the original trilogy had, certain modern X-Men films simply don't hit the mark.
If they haven't seen The Boys on Amazon prime I would really like to get their take on it. That would be Hilarious to see. That definitely needs to happen someday soon.
While I'd love to see Jen reacting to The Boys, tv shows take a lot of time, especially if they have multiple seasons. There are so many great TV shows people want them to see that nobody should get their hopes up. But yeah, The Boys would be one of my favorites for Jen to see, I'm convinced she'd love it. Jessica Jones season 1 is probably another show she'd love as well as the Punisher.
Yeah, that's one for the Patreons to vote for, but they're on a Daredevil trip right now, I'd say they'll get there eventually. I just hope they don't go down the entire rabbit hole of 'The Iron Fist' and 'Luke Cage', if they do it might be July by the time they finish. Jens reaction to the boys would be quality, or should i say juicy? The Boys has plenty of juice for her.
Love Jen’s reactions. Both to the films and to Holden. Anytime she throws out an HTH cracks me up. I think that usually comes after some of Holden’s best lines. And Holden is most of us watching these movies.
I think it's insinuated that Jean using Cerebro in the first movie undid some of the mental blocks Prof. Xavier had put in place to contain her powers which is why they seem to grow rapidly.
It's both for me. Scott himself is telling Jean to stop at the top of Lady Liberty. But it looks like she was enjoying what's happening. Also probably because of the wave that the phoenix woke up.
I'm sure you're right as far as the writers go, but it also gave me a head canon that Phoenix was originally just a mental projection, and that she then stole Scott's body and changed it to look like her.
With Jen wondering about why Logan didn't use the cure on Jean. She literally disintegrated a bunch of people and things, and she was going to kill everyone. How in the span of 5 seconds was Logan gonna find a random cure that wasn't used already?
@@MegaPrimme In this X-men movie, the phoenix force wasn't the phoenix force. Jean was just a really powerful mutant, so the cure may have worked on her. But, at the same time, I believe that in the comics, Jean sacrifices her life to save the world from the Phoenix, and maybe the movie wanted to pay homage to that because, let's face it, Wolverine is no match for phoenix Jean Grey. IF she truly wanted him dead, he would be most definitely dead, healing powers or not.
I think it was more the fact that the ONLY thing within 30 yards of Jean that wasn't being instantly disintegrated was Logan's adamantium skeleton, Logan himself regenerated as soon as he was being disintegrated, and his pants were immune for Deux Ex PG-13 reasons. Everything else, cure samples included was being disintegrated.
This is a case of the movie assuming that we understood that the cure darts were all destroyed or unavailable to Logan at that point, without having to spell it out.
One of the redeeming moments of this film for me. Terrible movie, but that was a lovely tribute to his Erik's fallen friend and something we rarely see in comic films with major rivals like that: the "villain" rival actually mourning the fallen hero.
From what I remember and someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the reason Prof X is in The Wolverine and Days of Future Past which take place after X3 is because of this end credit scene. The body he uses in those is the one he entered into here. I'm not sure they ever explain it but if you look close I think it's suppose to be a twin brother you never see elsewhere who is in a coma. Not sure why he would be bald too though.
They did do something with the post credit scene though...the wolverine/the wolverine post credit scene and x-men days of future past are all part of the same continuity as the original trilogy. That's why at the end of the wolverine Logan is surprised to see magneto using his powers again and that Charles is alive too. That coma patient at the end of the last stand is supposed to be X-aviers twin, which is canon from the comics except his twin is a female in the comics.
I think Wolverine(2013) movie is kind of a must in this marathon, between First Class and DOFP. With Logan having all those PTSD dreams(with Jean's actress Famke Jansen reprising the role) and that post credits scene setting up the plot of DOFP.
I wish this film had kept alot of the deleted scenes or planned sequences that were in the novel. The original scene with Phoenix turning the cure gun or a cup into some energy bomb and scaring the shit out of Magneto and the other Mutants in the forest was alot more powerful then what we got. Or Colossus trying to stop Juggernaut from entering the building and actually holding him back for a few seconds before being knocked aside or Colossus attacking Magneto and then turning his powers off to attack him normally so Magneto wouldn't be able to hold him but getting jumped by various enemies and having to power up to defend himself only for Magneto to hurl him away from him. Or Bobby picking up a knocked out Pyro and taking him back to the school at the end. And the supposed rumoured original end credits with one being a Red Beam coming out the Lake signifying that Cyclops wasn't dead and the Mansion shaking and a close up of Jean's grave being shown where there's now a giant crator signifying that she resurrected and is also alive. Im sure there's more character stuff that got cut but overall, I'd say The Last Stand is better than the Dark Phoenix movie we got. It generally has some decent scenes. The actor playing Beast is great. Ellen Page as Kitty is great. The final battle is fun and Magneto actually showcases alot more of how powerful he really is in this film. The House Battle between Xavier and Phoenix. Wolverine in the Forest. Alot of good stuff that's sadly bogged by rushed elements and underdeveloped characters like Rogue just being neglacted to a small role, Angel being forced into it, Mystic being utterly wasted and Cyclops getting killed off so early on. But honestly, it isn't as terrible as I remember. Just not that good when compared to what X-Men 2 did.
Never heard of the credits scene you just said, interesting. And i was under the impression that Jean was tapping into that cups sub atomic level to transmute it to a dwarf star going supernova
Cyclops is one of my favorite characters of all-time so I'm glad Jen noticed how they wasted him in this trilogy, especially since I think James Marsden was perfectly casted.
Fun fact: the "I'm Juggernaut, bitch!!!" is a reference to a old video that was circulating internet before UA-cam of a redub of a 90s X-Men episode 😄🤗.
The golden gate bridge is around 900,000 tons with each anchorage being around 60,000 tons. I wasn't paying attention to how much of it that Magneto lifted (we'd also have to accound for things on the bridge too).
With the Golden Gate Bridge weighing about 894,500 tons, and the average car weighing about 3,300 pounds, plus the fact that the Bridge can hold about 24,000 in an hour and you divide that by two because it takes half an hour to cross, approximately 12,000 are on it at a time. So, 12,000 x the 3,300 average weight equals 19,800 tons. Add that to the weight of the Bridge, and you get 914,300 tons. That means, Magneto in that scene carried about one billion, eight hundred twenty eight million, six hundered thousand pounds. 1,828,600,000 Lbs. Wow, that was a lot of math.
Jean/The Phoenix was not about to let Wolverine find a needle in the chaos and destruction, let him walk up and "cure" her. One thing the film did well was highlight Jean's descent from being shaken up about killing to the wanton murder at the end. She wasn't going to stop or let anyone get close with the "cure."
0:56 Well Magneto is classified as a revolving door on TVTropes, and they're not wrong. He's the same in the comics too, he even replaced Charles as the headmaster of the mutant school for awhile in the early 80s comics
I know this movie gets a lot of hate, yall listed several issues with the movie which I mostly agree on but I still really enjoy this movie, I really like it. I would say X2, X3, then X1 is how i would rate the original trilogy. And Jen's reaction to Jean scratching Logan "Thats so hot" hahahaha priceless
40:32 Bobby [Iceman] was one of the senior students in the school, and had a responsibility like a resident advisor to check on his fellow students. Rogue became jealous that he was able to hold hands with the girl who walks through walls. In the comics, Bobby was the youngest of the original team : Cyclops, Iceman, Beast, Angel, and Marvel Girl [Jean Grey]. When Bobby opens up with his power, he is an Omega level mutant like Storm and Phoenix. An issue of the comics had Jean admit that she was jealous that Bobby was allowed to progress at his own pace while she was constantly forced to adapt to her powers. At his most uninhibited, he literally could freeze the Earth and no one could stop him. The only thing that can stop him is his humanity.
To Jen's point, I'm not certain whether it would've mattered if Logan tried to use the Cure on Jean... Even if he did so and was successful, then they'd still have to deal with the power of the Phoenix Force itself, which is a sentient cosmic entity, and not Mutant...
In the comics yes, in this trilogy they stayed away from that. And I appreciated it because these are cobbled to get at certain story points. Cosmic story lines would have been way out of scope.
In the scope of only this movie though, that isn’t true. The Phoenix force is played off as something much less - there is nothing *in the movie* to suggest that a cure wouldn’t work on Jean.
No way Wolverine could get a vile of the cure anywhere near the Dark Phoenix without it exploding nor did he have time to find one. He really had no choice but to take her out with the claws immediately as she was straight up murdering everyone on the island before his eyes.
One thing I love about this move is the change from Jean asking Logan to kill her when phoenix first emerges to her asking him to save her by killing her in the final fight
This story was an attempt to adapt three of the most popular X-Men storylines of the 80's. "The Phoenix Saga" which took place over a really long run, and the graphic novel "God Loves, Man Kills" (not 100% on the title, it's been awhile) from the 80's. The problem was, it was such a mishmash of the two, that it didn't do either justice. The hand to hand with Storm/Ororo was a comic reference with the character Calysto and the Morlocks...
The best way to think about the timelines is: X-men first class -> X-men origins: Wolverine (1980s) -> X1, X2, X3 (2000s) -> Wolverine (2010s) -> X-men Days of future past (2023) -> Then the past moments are set in 1973 and after the changes are done, everything after 1973 is changed -> X-men: Apocalypse (1983) -> Dark phoenix (1990s) -> Logan (2029).
Timelines. Yes, plural. No particular order. 1) Original Trilogy followed by The Wolverine then Logan 2) X-Men Origins: Wolverine 3) First Class - DOFP - Apocalypse - Dark Phoenix 4) Deadpool 1 and 2
Rogue could most likely hold her own child without issue. The trouble would be the conceiving part since she can't control her powers. In alternate universes/timelines she has successfully conceived children and raised them with no issues in that regard. In Age of Apocalypse for instance she had a son (named Charles) with Magneto. Also, it flip flops depending upon the writer but for the most part mutants can't harm mutants they're related to. For example Cyclops and Havok's powers don't affect each other. Similarly Banshee and Black Tom can't use their powers on each other and Emma Frost and her siblings have trouble affecting each other with their powers. But on the other side, Scarlet Witch can use her powers on Quicksilver and Emplate can use his powers on Monet so like I said, it depends on the writer.
Tbf, Scarlet Witch rewrites reality whenever she uses her powers, so her powers effecting Quicksilver could just be a result of her (consciously or subconsciously) essentially turning the sibling rule off for that moment.
meh, they simply needed to introduce a comic love interest and give them immunity or resistance to her power, if they wanted her to have a family they did that sometimes, didn't they, in the comics? for example, they could make Gambit generate so much kinetic energy to resist her Also, your "immunity talk" isn't completely correct. Cyclops and Havok have a scientific reason for being immune each other (actually, they charge each other), and the Frosts are telepaths, and telepaths are supposed to have psychic resistance thanks to their great psy-power the only one I can't debate over is Banshee/Black Tom, as I know nothing about them
Yea mutants can definitely harm each other if related. That was specific for the summers brothers and even then Vulcan powers work on cyclops and havoc.
@@leonardolonghi3472 @leonardo longhi Black Tom and Banshee are cousins and are immune to each others powers (their original powers, black Tom later got plant powers from some virus or something but that's different) so they end up having to punch each other to end fights. Banshees daughter Siryn is also immune to both their powers as they are to hers. Adrienne Frost isn't psychic though. Her power is psychometry. She can discern the past (and to some extent the future) of an object she touches. And Emma is entirely unable to read or manipulate her mind which, considering she can still crack other telepath's minds with varying degrees of effort, means it goes further than just difficulty because psychic. Emma's younger sister Cordelia is ALSO immune to her psychic abilities and I honestly can't remember what her powers are or if she even has any.
The Golden gate weighs 887,000 tons. That is including footings, approaches and the trash. Footings or Anchorage’s are said to be 60 ton a piece. So 767Ton then subtract 7% for approach being sheared off. So 713 metric tons conservatively. -Brought to you by the letter H, H….. it takes atleast 2 to spell Holden Hardman, and depending on his middle name it could be 3-4.
There's another cameo besides Stan's - the guy whose lawnmower floats away is Chris Claremont, who wrote the X-Men for 17 years, and is generally considered the definitive X-Men writer. Among many other things, he co-created Phoenix/Dark Phoenix.
That is something I do love about the X-Men and MCU films, they often find ways of including the comic writers responsible for the various storylines in the film adaptations. For example in Avengers Endgame, during Cap's group therapy session with the other Snap survivors, one of the attendees is Jimmy, played by Jim Starlin, one of the original writers and creators of Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet arc in the comics.
40:08 "They couldn't give her a stronger name?" Kitty Pryde. Sprite/Ariel/Shadowcat. Katya/Katherine/Kate. She went from the youngest of the second class of X-Men to Excalibur to headmistress of the Jean Grey School For Gifted Youngsters to Captain of the Marauders.
the "guy in the coma" was in Lore charles xaviers comatose twin brother. yes,they went to this stuzpid length to get charles xavier back as he is. The best part is that his twin brother also was in a wheelchair.
Magneto lifted the Total weight of each anchorage is 60,000 tons (54,400,000 kg). Original combined weight of Bridge, anchorages, and approaches is 894,500 tons (811,500,000 kg). Total weight of Bridge, anchorages, and approaches (1937) is 894,500 tons (811,500,000 kg).
Its not a diffrent timeline. The old actors that are in the new movies is still the same timeline. "The Wolverine" is still in this timeline, because in that end credit scene Xavier and Magneto are back and Logan is like "how are you alive?!". This leading into days of future past were Logan changes his timeline to the reboot timeline. It all comes together there
@@BlackHeartGames not in this interpretation of the character. In this version it was just a suppressed and dormant power inside Jean. Hence why a lot of us fans don’t like this film in the franchise
Wow Jen asked a question I never thought of in 15 years! "Why didn't he just stab her with the cure" I mean it probably wouldn't have worked since Magnito kept his powers but I seriously never thought of that!
As a kid this one was my favorite X-Mem movie. I still love it to this day because of all the cool looking powers Grown up now knowing a lot more about the X-Men stories i can see the flaws
It felt the most comic book-ish. Plus, Kelsey Grammer as Beast is perfect casting. But, yeah, the movie is flawed. Definitely better than Dark Phoenix though.
@@ramblinman07 “so did you fix the problems with Jean’s powers in Last Stand?” “Yes sir i did. So the problem i think people had was that her power was always inside her” “Oh really?” “Yeah” “But isn’t that what you set up in Apocalypse?” “Uuuuh i don’t remember that” “Ok, it’s not like i’m gonna re watch that movie so i’ll take your word for it”
Am I the only one who thought this was one of the better xmen movies? Specifically, because of what we see in the "reboot" movies, the relationship between Charles and Magneto becomes fully fleshed out, which makes Charles death in this movie that much more meaningful, especially when Magento watched it happen.
On Rogue having a baby. Usually in the comics, close relatives are immune to each other’s powers. She had a kid in the AoA storyline, but I think Magneto made a field around it while she was giving birth.
Wolverine couldn't use the cure on Jean because she disintegrated everything that got close to her. The only thing that could approach her is Wolverine due to his healing.
She said save me then it turned into "I don't want to fix it" at which point she slams him across the room and struts out into the hallway like a boss. His "been there done that" instincts kicked in and he had to stab her quickly. Also the scene right before he approached... she disintegrated all the "cure" needles shot at her, along with the soldiers who shot them... so there was no cures to inject her with. (that's how I interpreted it)
Killing Jean is like the only part of this movie that really holds up, he had to kill her because the phoenix was taking over and it was a character moment with him having to do what he needed to instead of giving in to what he wants which is really the character arc that Logan has across this whole series, the rest of the movie pretty much sucks and to say that the death of Jean was the worst part is just a lack of understanding the movie
Agreed, although I didn't think the movie sucked, I really liked it. But I agree they way Jean is killed by Logan was justified in my books, like you said Phoenix was taking over, she had already killed Prof X the only other mutant that could of controlled her, and then she was just killing everyone on the bridge and basically disintegrating everything, and most likely any of those cure shots so Logan really had no other choice, he had to stop her for her own good and for everyone else.
I would also like to say, that the sheer guilt and shame she is feeling when the phoenix isn't taking over would be so much. They never mentioned how she would feel in that situation. So she wanted to die because in her eyes she is guilty of murdering her loved ones all the same
This is why I advocated about watching these in plot chronological order. Charles moving into the body of the coma twin does play out in the Wolverine mid-credit scene, which leads directly into DOFP, so it's not true that they didn't do anything with it. Also the entire timeline is explainable by watching in this order: First Class-Origins-X1-X2-X3-The Wolverine-The Gifted-Days Of Future Past (First Timeline "Reset")-Apocalypse-Dark Phoenix-Legion (2nd Timeline "Reset")-Deadpool-Deadpool 2-New Mutants-Logan
The featuring all of these mutants was more about the fan service of just seeing how many they can fit into the movie. It was fun when I was younger, but I understand story and writing more to see how messy it was. Kinda like how Lil' Wayne and Tech N9ne got me into understanding lyricism in hip hop or how creatively dark metal lyrics can be.
I hope you'll like First Class. On its own I think it's one of the best flicks that has the X-men brand slapped on. I felt like it has the soul and charm that the comic book movies are missing nowadays even if the main plot has obvious, probably intentional flaws, similar to the sam raimi spiderman movies.
I agree, 100%. The only problem I had with First Class was the roster. I get that they wanted to avoid using the classic team, but I'd have preferred they did and then branch out
I’d be nice for Holden to explain to Jen what the phoenix actually is and why the professor tried to suppress it when it was inside Jean. It probably would clear a lot of things up.
@@domingorubies656 yea the movies tried to make it her mutant power hopefully the mcu gets this and the rest correct. Also they have juggernaut as a mutant here when he’s clearly not.
20:41 Physics my dude. When two objects try to occupy the same space, the one with less mass is moves away from the one with more mass. Since Kitty is less massive than the planet, she's "ejected" out of it when she turns her phasing off. This would also work with Nightcrawler if he were to teleport into a coffee table. The table would weigh less than him and so the table would be moved out of the way of him taking up that space.
They did something with Charles’ consciousness, they just don’t explain it in future movies. The coma guy (SPOILERS)… …was his twin brother. That’s how he’s there at the end of The Wolverine and during Days of Future Past.
Yes I agree with Jen, Scott deserved more. He is Captain America of X-Men while Wolverine is the Tony Stark that is their character dynamics. Sucks that Fox made the Trilogy "Wolverine and friends." Instead of it being a team movie like Avengers.
Imagine an Avengers movie with Captain America being completely useless, yeah that's what the original trilogy did to Scott. He was the leader of the X-Men and the movies did a huge disservice to his character.
For some reason they spent far more time on Logan’s story than anyone else’s - the public at large ended up seeing him as THE main mutant, never realizing how important Scott was / should have been. I knew who Wolverine was years before I finally saw the first film, and little to nothing about the others. I liked Cyclops from the beginning and always wished he’d had a bigger presence. Knowing he actually should have makes me feel cheated now.
@@glitterspray Logan's situation in these franchise is like the early incarnation of the Tony Stark treatment but executed horribly. Granted, in the MCU I personally think they did a disservice to Cap but very very minorly as at the end of his MCU run they gave him the respect of saying his iconic line. Whereas, in all the X-Men movies we didn't even get to see Scott lead his team to battle.
@@glitterspray I think a lot of it has to do with Hugh Jackman's rising star status as of the first film. He really started to blow up, and Fox really wanted to capitalize on that. The sad fact is that prior to the first film, Cyclops was actually the more popular character, often leading the X-Men and standing in as the poster-boy for Mutants. Hell, he was even the leading Mutant for the Capcom Street-Fighter crossover.
2 things. They did do something with the Prof X thing. Thats how he came back in the end on the wolverine and dofp. And also the phoenix force isn’t a mutant gene so the cure would not do anything
@@Merecir that’s just the lazy writing of the screenwriters not explaining it cuz the end of x2 clearly showed the phoenix force in the water which clearly isn’t a mutant thing. X3 was just lazily written
You know, you raised an interesting question. Could rogue ever have a child? And would she be able to touch that child? My guess is, the way marvel goes, if she got pregnant via…alternative means…her child would be born a mutant and the only superpower it would have is that it would be the only person she COULD touch. And then later on we’d find out that the superpower is actually immunity to everyone else’s powers, which would actually be super OP. Cool idea.
In the post credits scene of the Wolverine it shows prof x alive again The only explanation he gives wolverine is saying “you’re not the only one with gifts”
This movie is probably the weakest of the three, but in some ways it is my favorite. The stakes were incredible, with main characters being killed or completely upended early and often. Visually, it was stunning. And there’s a personal level I want to address-as you’ve pointed out before, the original X-men comics were written as an allegory for the Civil Rights movement, with Professor X and Magneto as ideological stand-ins for MLK and Malcom X, highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of civil disobedience vs militant resistance against mass oppression and discrimination. As you noted in X2, the films began to touch on more dimensions of oppression and discrimination, including that for the LGBT community. While I don’t think this movie exclusively was a metaphor for only that issue, the part about the cure hit me particularly hard. I am gay, but unlike Rogue or Hank with their difficult to conceal/handle differences, I can easily pass as straight, like how Storm says ‘no big deal just be proud of who you are..’ it is undeniably easier for some people. And yet still, even with the privilege of being unassumingly masculine, I have often found myself wishing for a magical cure to save me from the stigmas and shame that are still pushed in our “modern” era by so many backwards and fearful/hateful people. I really felt for Rogue (and Angel in that scene where he was a boy trying to hide his ‘difference’ from his father..) feeling that she was broken and had no place in the world as she was born to be. The way they captured the nuance of this dichotomy between pride and shame really knocked this one out of the park for me.
Couple of small corrections: in the post credits scene, Charles’ consciousness DOES get transferred to the coma patient like you said, but the patient themselves is supposed to be his twin brother, explaining why (SPOILERS) he’s alive in The Wolverine’s post credits and Days of Future Past. Also, the “timeline” that started with First Class isn’t really meant to be a new timeline, rather it was supposed to be a prequel to this trilogy up until the reset in Days of Future Past. THEN it’s pretty much a new timeline with Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix, only changed by Wolverine’s interference in the past.
The Golden Gate Bridge weights 894,500 tons. I believe Film Theory calculated that to lift that weight through sheer magnetism, the magnet in question needed to output, every second, the energy the sun does over a year.
In the credits of NO WAY HOME, they gave a huge thank you for AVI ARAD He ruined THE LAST STAND, SPIDER-MAN 3 and TASM2 And they still gave him a thank you
Eh, he made them interesting. Not good, no, but interesting. With TASM being the exception, I can't say that about the other entries in the franchises he "ruined"
@@Zombiesnyder13 Eh, I liked them though. They were dumb, but that made them fun. The other ones are just boring and uninteresting with mostly unlikable characters.
They had Wolverine kill Jean here because the death of Jean Grey/Phoenix in the comics was a huge, major event so they were trying to recreate that experience/feeling in the movie but failed tremendously, in my opinion. The Dark Phoenix Saga was a 8, 9 issue storyline in the comics and they tried to cram it into one movie, which was ridiculous. That storyline alone could have been an entire cinematic universe. Unfortunately, doesn’t look like the MCU is going to revisit it for awhile if at all, which is a shame.
They actually do follow up that end credits scene with Chuck. They follow it up in the end credits of The Wolverine and X-Men: Days of Future Past, the sequel to both The Wolverine and X-Men: First Class. The Wolverine also shows Logan coping with the fact he killed her. I completely agree about Scott. Yet again, he got done really dirty. "Kitty" Pryde is what she's called in the comics, but that was more her nickname. She later goes by Kate Pryde, her real name being Katherine. As usual for these movies, she's a great character, but the movie doesn't fully do her justice, especially Rogue too. This is both a terrible adaptation of The Dark Phoenix Saga, and at the same time, I kinda enjoy this movie now. It's a big step down from X2, but it still has some interesting ideas and fun action in spite of the story's unevenness. For being one of the mediocre X-movies, it's still a pretty good time in spite of itself sometimes. Also, I wouldn't have said anything, but only because you simply had to mention it... i'm not comparing the current-year injections with this fictional "cure," and say whatever you want about the coof vaccines, for them, against them, whatever. One's opinions about it are kind of irrelevant, because the base issue isn't really "the science." What the movie does address and makes a valid point about for today is that coercing people into being given invasive medical procedures of any kind whatsoever is an insanely unethical violation of the human right to bodily autonomy (and may potentially skirt dangerously close to violating some Nuremberg codes). It's a personal/property rights issue more than anything. Consult a trusted physician who knows your medical history, do your own research, and make your own informed choises as far as I'm concerned, but politically weaponizing public health policy by mandating people surrender their right to bodily autonomy under threat of losing your means of engaging in society and providing for yourself is authoritarian and deeply immoral.
The issue with Scott is a bit complex. Bryan Singer left the X-Men franchise to make Superman, he then cast James Marsden. The studio then made the ultimatum that nobody from the series could join Singer’s film and killed off Scott as punishment. Iceman was initially going to play Jimmy Olsen in Superman Returns but had to drop out because of that stance by Fox.
In 2006, I was in middle school, and at my peak with my X-Men fandom, playing both X-Men Legends/Ultimate Alliance games, comics, official guide's, toys and merch, and saw the film three times in theaters... And I didn't like the film the first I saw it... (Had to see it with people who didn't see it). Like this film was received so poorly, it really threw a wrench in going forward, so PREQUELS and SPIN-OFFS, what could go wrong!? This film... It hurt me, because it butchered two completely different storylines, Astonishing X-Men's cure storyline, and The Dark Phoenix storyline, both rushed, and added on the part were no other characters, get room to breathe, like, all five original X-Men (Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Iceman, Angel) are in the movie, and did nothing with it, and Rogue, Kitty, and Colossus have no character development, in any of the main films. Also, Rogue as right now in the comics is doing great, married to Gambit, has full control of her powers, so she can touch whatever she wants now. Storytime, so, Brett Ratner is another sex pest like Bryan Singer, but way more gross. He told Elliott Page to calm his nerves and make out with a crew woman to finally admit what he likes... Basically outting Elliot. So I'm never gonna like this movie, even if wasn't a diehard X-Men fan.
Yup Rather sucks. Singer literally finished 2 parter finale script. He even promise to return after Supe Returns finish shooting. Fox refuse to wait and Rathner crammed 2 part movie into 1. Which shows.
Biggest disappointment in these movies was the way they handled Cyclops. Making the leader of the team a background character. Same with Storm
Well, considering this was the Wolverine franchise overall, what can you say?
Hmm this is dumbest iteration of phoenix and I hope one day they get phoenix accurately some day
@@haabat1342 I thought James Marsden was good…just nothing for him to do. Could have had an Iron Man/Capt America dynamic with Wolverine.
@@haabat1342 nah he mid
Yea & idk if it’s just me but I never felt Cyclops was the leader in any of the X-Men cartoons either like they either focused on the Proffesor for leader ship or the team as a whole
This movie is rough, but Magneto's line, "Charles Xavier did more for mutant kind than you will ever know," makes it sort of worth watching. Glad it resonated with you guys too, it's my favorite Magneto line in all three of these.
Technically the post credits scene does go somewhere. In the end of The Wolverine, he goes home and gets stopped by a now alive Prof X and a repowered up Magneto. It does then lead to a time skip following X men Days of Future Past.
Ya I was kind of confused when he said that since charles even says to logan "You're not the only one with gifts."
That was a bit of an alternate timeline though
@@domingorubies656 how? There's only 2 timelines. It only gets altered after days of future past..
@@jeslan9773 the first class universe isn’t a direct prequel to the original trilogy , it’s more a soft reboot, lots of things don’t add up like that whole Xavier/Mystique ‘ brothers ‘ thing, they never mention that.
@@domingorubies656 exactly, that's not even what I'm saying. I'm saying X-Men 3 is continued in The Wolverine with Prof X and Magneto being in the ending leading to the dire future in X-Men Days of Future Past which is then changed by the Younger timeline which erases the events in the old movies completely. Hence "soft reboot"
I never even mentioned first class.
Jenn: “He’s ok, right? It looks like parts of him are being disintegrated.”
Holden: 😁
So adorable
Seeing Holden struggle not to make unappropriate jokes will never not be funny
inappropriate*
Holden Thomas Hardman
@@yowiewowie8388 his last name is HardMan
I’m just glad he’s trying not to make the entire video a non stop Ralph Boner joke. 🤷🏻♂️
@@mbrady67 Ralph Bohner*
Freudian slip?
The pain in Holden’s face holding back after “Shes got to have sucked the life outta him by now” 8:26 has me crying 😂
It so went over her head.😂. He stood there and looked at her to see if she caught on but she never did. I’m sure he would have wanted the life sucked outta him.🤣
Lmao!!
😂😂😂😂
In regards to the post-credits scene, that isn't just "some guy in a coma" - that's the Professor's vegetative twin brother, and Moira McTaggart caring for him.
And we do see what came of it in the Wolverine and days of future past
@@nightwingjosh8491 Spoilers?
Wait does Proffessor X really have a twin ?
@@Narutoanime16g in the comics, yeah. But she’s female and evil
@@nightwingjosh8491 but somehow magneto has his powers back
4:20
I like how Jen isn’t even annoyed about the dirty joke, she’s just more like
*“that doesn’t even make sense…”*
Bobby to Rogue at the end: “You’re not one of us anymore”.
Lol
Bobby is such a dink. Logan has never been more of a dad than when he says: "I hope you're not doing this for some boy."
"Mystique is probably my favorite character" - words that have never been spoken about Rebecca Romijn's portrayal until now. It will be interesting to see what Jen thinks of Jennifer Lawrence. I thought she was pretty good in First Class and DOFP, but because she is JENNIFER LAWRENCE they gave her too much to do in Apocalypse (which wasn't really the problem with that movie).
I personally always thought Jennifer Lawrence is extremely overrated. I think she was an awful choice for Mystique and only got cast because she was huge in Hollywood at the time (the Hunger Games were in theaters at the same time) and also why her character was shoved down our throats throughout the whole First Class trilogy.
Jean's powers getting boosted is actually suggested and hinted at very subtlety in the first film. When Magneto uses Rogue to power the machine, the wave washes over everyone, and when they destroy the machine, Jean has a very clear reaction to it. It's one shot, no dialogue, but it's RIGHT there. The machine that unleashed the X-gene in regular humans did something to her, too. That's why the second movie opens with her talking about losing control of her abilities, no longer being able to filter the mental noise, etc.
Bryan Singer (along with Tom DeSanto and David Hayter) knew exactly what they were doing with that one single shot.
Damn if thats true then why the fuck didnt singer stick around for the 3rd movie???
@@andymontanez56 Bryan Singer dropped X3 with Fox to go do Superman Returns for WB. He couldn’t do both films.
@@cassieo ohhhhh yeah. Bummer
I agree my man Scott got the short end of the stick. He's one of the founding members of the X-Men in the comics, and plays a pivotal role in their story...in these movies he's relegated mostly to the role of plot device romantic interest. Jean's death was also pretty lame, I think any of the ideas you folks presented would have been better
Not only Scott, but James Mardsen too.
That's all these movies. A far cry from the actual comics. Like Dollar Store versions.
Its not like James Mardsen was spectacular either. Hes a prick in all 3 movies most of the time and a lot of that is writting but James to me did not do a very great job.
Yeah, and Scott gets the shaft in the first couple movies too because Bryan Singer infamously didn't care to read the comics and just crammed the 90's animated series. Great show but not the way to familiarize with the characters he chose to use. Bryan Singer didn't like Cyclops but chose to use him anyway while shifting any leadership qualities to Wolverine.
Cyclops is basically X-Men's Captain America when it comes to maintaining a cool head in battle, brilliant tactical analysis, and leadership with team comps & strategy.
@@chand911 except first class
The one thing that this movie is incredible at is giving us that moral dilemma, bringing up thoughts and issues that rival the original X-Men animated show. The later films don't do that at all and without that gravity, stake and feel that the original trilogy had, certain modern X-Men films simply don't hit the mark.
This movie sucked. Great action but that's it
If they haven't seen The Boys on Amazon prime I would really like to get their take on it. That would be Hilarious to see. That definitely needs to happen someday soon.
While I'd love to see Jen reacting to The Boys, tv shows take a lot of time, especially if they have multiple seasons. There are so many great TV shows people want them to see that nobody should get their hopes up. But yeah, The Boys would be one of my favorites for Jen to see, I'm convinced she'd love it. Jessica Jones season 1 is probably another show she'd love as well as the Punisher.
Yeah, that's one for the Patreons to vote for, but they're on a Daredevil trip right now, I'd say they'll get there eventually. I just hope they don't go down the entire rabbit hole of 'The Iron Fist' and 'Luke Cage', if they do it might be July by the time they finish.
Jens reaction to the boys would be quality, or should i say juicy? The Boys has plenty of juice for her.
I just hope they watch it when matt is here too!
Love Jen’s reactions. Both to the films and to Holden. Anytime she throws out an HTH cracks me up. I think that usually comes after some of Holden’s best lines.
And Holden is most of us watching these movies.
I think it's insinuated that Jean using Cerebro in the first movie undid some of the mental blocks Prof. Xavier had put in place to contain her powers which is why they seem to grow rapidly.
Close, I believe it was the event at liberty island that caused the Phoenix to awaken. Or perhaps maybe both in conjunction
It's both for me. Scott himself is telling Jean to stop at the top of Lady Liberty. But it looks like she was enjoying what's happening. Also probably because of the wave that the phoenix woke up.
I think the reason they did not show Scott Summers die, because they wanted to have the dramatic effect of seeing Xavier being disintegrated
I'm sure you're right as far as the writers go, but it also gave me a head canon that Phoenix was originally just a mental projection, and that she then stole Scott's body and changed it to look like her.
@@adamwarlock1 so Wolverine was really macking on Cyclops?!
@@domingorubies656 Just like Demi Moore in Ghost was macking on Whoopi Goldberg!
@@adamwarlock1 oh yeah 😏
With Jen wondering about why Logan didn't use the cure on Jean. She literally disintegrated a bunch of people and things, and she was going to kill everyone. How in the span of 5 seconds was Logan gonna find a random cure that wasn't used already?
That and it would have been useless. Magneto got 4 of them and still got his powers back.
Plus I don't think the cure would of removed the phoenix force
@@MegaPrimme In this X-men movie, the phoenix force wasn't the phoenix force. Jean was just a really powerful mutant, so the cure may have worked on her. But, at the same time, I believe that in the comics, Jean sacrifices her life to save the world from the Phoenix, and maybe the movie wanted to pay homage to that because, let's face it, Wolverine is no match for phoenix Jean Grey. IF she truly wanted him dead, he would be most definitely dead, healing powers or not.
I think it was more the fact that the ONLY thing within 30 yards of Jean that wasn't being instantly disintegrated was Logan's adamantium skeleton, Logan himself regenerated as soon as he was being disintegrated, and his pants were immune for Deux Ex PG-13 reasons. Everything else, cure samples included was being disintegrated.
This is a case of the movie assuming that we understood that the cure darts were all destroyed or unavailable to Logan at that point, without having to spell it out.
"Charles Xavier did more for mutants than you will ever know. My single greatest regret is that he had to die for our dream to live."
One of the redeeming moments of this film for me. Terrible movie, but that was a lovely tribute to his Erik's fallen friend and something we rarely see in comic films with major rivals like that: the "villain" rival actually mourning the fallen hero.
From what I remember and someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the reason Prof X is in The Wolverine and Days of Future Past which take place after X3 is because of this end credit scene. The body he uses in those is the one he entered into here. I'm not sure they ever explain it but if you look close I think it's suppose to be a twin brother you never see elsewhere who is in a coma. Not sure why he would be bald too though.
It’s not a twin. It’s a body that can house a consciousness. But spot on on everything else.
@@ramblinman07 It is a twin.
Holden just belittling Pyro the whole time is the best. "yeah. ok, pYrO."
Poor guy thought he was a fair match to an Omega Mutant😂
They did do something with the post credit scene though...the wolverine/the wolverine post credit scene and x-men days of future past are all part of the same continuity as the original trilogy. That's why at the end of the wolverine Logan is surprised to see magneto using his powers again and that Charles is alive too. That coma patient at the end of the last stand is supposed to be X-aviers twin, which is canon from the comics except his twin is a female in the comics.
I think Wolverine(2013) movie is kind of a must in this marathon, between First Class and DOFP. With Logan having all those PTSD dreams(with Jean's actress Famke Jansen reprising the role) and that post credits scene setting up the plot of DOFP.
They both already watched that movie as part of My Friend Watches
I wish this film had kept alot of the deleted scenes or planned sequences that were in the novel.
The original scene with Phoenix turning the cure gun or a cup into some energy bomb and scaring the shit out of Magneto and the other Mutants in the forest was alot more powerful then what we got.
Or Colossus trying to stop Juggernaut from entering the building and actually holding him back for a few seconds before being knocked aside or Colossus attacking Magneto and then turning his powers off to attack him normally so Magneto wouldn't be able to hold him but getting jumped by various enemies and having to power up to defend himself only for Magneto to hurl him away from him.
Or Bobby picking up a knocked out Pyro and taking him back to the school at the end.
And the supposed rumoured original end credits with one being a Red Beam coming out the Lake signifying that Cyclops wasn't dead and the Mansion shaking and a close up of Jean's grave being shown where there's now a giant crator signifying that she resurrected and is also alive.
Im sure there's more character stuff that got cut but overall, I'd say The Last Stand is better than the Dark Phoenix movie we got. It generally has some decent scenes. The actor playing Beast is great. Ellen Page as Kitty is great. The final battle is fun and Magneto actually showcases alot more of how powerful he really is in this film. The House Battle between Xavier and Phoenix. Wolverine in the Forest. Alot of good stuff that's sadly bogged by rushed elements and underdeveloped characters like Rogue just being neglacted to a small role, Angel being forced into it, Mystic being utterly wasted and Cyclops getting killed off so early on. But honestly, it isn't as terrible as I remember. Just not that good when compared to what X-Men 2 did.
Never heard of the credits scene you just said, interesting. And i was under the impression that Jean was tapping into that cups sub atomic level to transmute it to a dwarf star going supernova
This is my first time hearing about a lot of this. Some of this could have helped the movie.
Singer fucked the whole franchise over by making the hyena filth known as Superman Returns over X-Men 3
Cyclops is one of my favorite characters of all-time so I'm glad Jen noticed how they wasted him in this trilogy, especially since I think James Marsden was perfectly casted.
Fun fact: the "I'm Juggernaut, bitch!!!" is a reference to a old video that was circulating internet before UA-cam of a redub of a 90s X-Men episode 😄🤗.
The golden gate bridge is around 900,000 tons with each anchorage being around 60,000 tons. I wasn't paying attention to how much of it that Magneto lifted (we'd also have to accound for things on the bridge too).
Yep
With the Golden Gate Bridge weighing about 894,500 tons, and the average car weighing about 3,300 pounds, plus the fact that the Bridge can hold about 24,000 in an hour and you divide that by two because it takes half an hour to cross, approximately 12,000 are on it at a time. So, 12,000 x the 3,300 average weight equals 19,800 tons. Add that to the weight of the Bridge, and you get 914,300 tons. That means, Magneto in that scene carried about one billion, eight hundred twenty eight million, six hundered thousand pounds. 1,828,600,000 Lbs. Wow, that was a lot of math.
Jean/The Phoenix was not about to let Wolverine find a needle in the chaos and destruction, let him walk up and "cure" her. One thing the film did well was highlight Jean's descent from being shaken up about killing to the wanton murder at the end. She wasn't going to stop or let anyone get close with the "cure."
0:56 Well Magneto is classified as a revolving door on TVTropes, and they're not wrong. He's the same in the comics too, he even replaced Charles as the headmaster of the mutant school for awhile in the early 80s comics
I know this movie gets a lot of hate, yall listed several issues with the movie which I mostly agree on but I still really enjoy this movie, I really like it. I would say X2, X3, then X1 is how i would rate the original trilogy.
And Jen's reaction to Jean scratching Logan "Thats so hot" hahahaha priceless
40:32 Bobby [Iceman] was one of the senior students in the school, and had a responsibility like a resident advisor to check on his fellow students. Rogue became jealous that he was able to hold hands with the girl who walks through walls.
In the comics, Bobby was the youngest of the original team : Cyclops, Iceman, Beast, Angel, and Marvel Girl [Jean Grey]. When Bobby opens up with his power, he is an Omega level mutant like Storm and Phoenix. An issue of the comics had Jean admit that she was jealous that Bobby was allowed to progress at his own pace while she was constantly forced to adapt to her powers. At his most uninhibited, he literally could freeze the Earth and no one could stop him. The only thing that can stop him is his humanity.
To Jen's point, I'm not certain whether it would've mattered if Logan tried to use the Cure on Jean... Even if he did so and was successful, then they'd still have to deal with the power of the Phoenix Force itself, which is a sentient cosmic entity, and not Mutant...
In the comics yes, in this trilogy they stayed away from that. And I appreciated it because these are cobbled to get at certain story points. Cosmic story lines would have been way out of scope.
In the scope of only this movie though, that isn’t true. The Phoenix force is played off as something much less - there is nothing *in the movie* to suggest that a cure wouldn’t work on Jean.
You have cars flying, people exploding, mutants demutating,
Meanwhile, Holden: "Look at that rock formation, the layers there."
“Please if she saw you choking she’d be having a party” I swear Holdens beef with his dogs is unmatched lmao
Her: "It looks like parts of him are being disintegrated."
Him: 😬
No way Wolverine could get a vile of the cure anywhere near the Dark Phoenix without it exploding nor did he have time to find one. He really had no choice but to take her out with the claws immediately as she was straight up murdering everyone on the island before his eyes.
Man this film grew on me, I did dislike it when I saw it in my teens because I watched the cartoons growing up. Now I respect it so much more
One thing I love about this move is the change from Jean asking Logan to kill her when phoenix first emerges to her asking him to save her by killing her in the final fight
This story was an attempt to adapt three of the most popular X-Men storylines of the 80's. "The Phoenix Saga" which took place over a really long run, and the graphic novel "God Loves, Man Kills" (not 100% on the title, it's been awhile) from the 80's. The problem was, it was such a mishmash of the two, that it didn't do either justice. The hand to hand with Storm/Ororo was a comic reference with the character Calysto and the Morlocks...
The best way to think about the timelines is:
X-men first class -> X-men origins: Wolverine (1980s) -> X1, X2, X3 (2000s) -> Wolverine (2010s) -> X-men Days of future past (2023) -> Then the past moments are set in 1973 and after the changes are done, everything after 1973 is changed -> X-men: Apocalypse (1983) -> Dark phoenix (1990s) -> Logan (2029).
And the Deadpool movies?
@@Merecir Yep.
Timelines. Yes, plural. No particular order.
1) Original Trilogy followed by The Wolverine then Logan
2) X-Men Origins: Wolverine
3) First Class - DOFP - Apocalypse - Dark Phoenix
4) Deadpool 1 and 2
I actually rlly enjoy this movie I think I’m just biased cause this was the first ever superhero movie I saw in the theaters.
Rogue could most likely hold her own child without issue. The trouble would be the conceiving part since she can't control her powers. In alternate universes/timelines she has successfully conceived children and raised them with no issues in that regard. In Age of Apocalypse for instance she had a son (named Charles) with Magneto.
Also, it flip flops depending upon the writer but for the most part mutants can't harm mutants they're related to. For example Cyclops and Havok's powers don't affect each other. Similarly Banshee and Black Tom can't use their powers on each other and Emma Frost and her siblings have trouble affecting each other with their powers. But on the other side, Scarlet Witch can use her powers on Quicksilver and Emplate can use his powers on Monet so like I said, it depends on the writer.
Tbf, Scarlet Witch rewrites reality whenever she uses her powers, so her powers effecting Quicksilver could just be a result of her (consciously or subconsciously) essentially turning the sibling rule off for that moment.
meh, they simply needed to introduce a comic love interest and give them immunity or resistance to her power, if they wanted her to have a family
they did that sometimes, didn't they, in the comics? for example, they could make Gambit generate so much kinetic energy to resist her
Also, your "immunity talk" isn't completely correct. Cyclops and Havok have a scientific reason for being immune each other (actually, they charge each other), and the Frosts are telepaths, and telepaths are supposed to have psychic resistance thanks to their great psy-power
the only one I can't debate over is Banshee/Black Tom, as I know nothing about them
Yea mutants can definitely harm each other if related. That was specific for the summers brothers and even then Vulcan powers work on cyclops and havoc.
@@Cream-2128 I'm pretty sure Wolverine and Sabretooth can harm each other, for example🤣
@@leonardolonghi3472 @leonardo longhi Black Tom and Banshee are cousins and are immune to each others powers (their original powers, black Tom later got plant powers from some virus or something but that's different) so they end up having to punch each other to end fights. Banshees daughter Siryn is also immune to both their powers as they are to hers.
Adrienne Frost isn't psychic though. Her power is psychometry. She can discern the past (and to some extent the future) of an object she touches. And Emma is entirely unable to read or manipulate her mind which, considering she can still crack other telepath's minds with varying degrees of effort, means it goes further than just difficulty because psychic.
Emma's younger sister Cordelia is ALSO immune to her psychic abilities and I honestly can't remember what her powers are or if she even has any.
The Golden gate weighs 887,000 tons. That is including footings, approaches and the trash. Footings or Anchorage’s are said to be 60 ton a piece. So 767Ton then subtract 7% for approach being sheared off. So 713 metric tons conservatively. -Brought to you by the letter H, H….. it takes atleast 2 to spell Holden Hardman, and depending on his middle name it could be 3-4.
There's another cameo besides Stan's - the guy whose lawnmower floats away is Chris Claremont, who wrote the X-Men for 17 years, and is generally considered the definitive X-Men writer. Among many other things, he co-created Phoenix/Dark Phoenix.
That is something I do love about the X-Men and MCU films, they often find ways of including the comic writers responsible for the various storylines in the film adaptations. For example in Avengers Endgame, during Cap's group therapy session with the other Snap survivors, one of the attendees is Jimmy, played by Jim Starlin, one of the original writers and creators of Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet arc in the comics.
40:08 "They couldn't give her a stronger name?" Kitty Pryde. Sprite/Ariel/Shadowcat. Katya/Katherine/Kate. She went from the youngest of the second class of X-Men to Excalibur to headmistress of the Jean Grey School For Gifted Youngsters to Captain of the Marauders.
The reaction was better than the movie. Lots of good ones in this one. Especially the one at the end. Best one yet.
It is my belief the visually storm's powers would blow up the SFX budget so they never showed us the full range of Storm's powers.
8:23 I love watching holden squirm because there's too many jokes available and he can't choose which one
the "guy in the coma" was in Lore charles xaviers comatose twin brother. yes,they went to this stuzpid length to get charles xavier back as he is. The best part is that his twin brother also was in a wheelchair.
I've always thought Angel was quite useless when it came to fighting but very useful in a fight when he became Archangel because he had more powers .
Magneto lifted the Total weight of each anchorage is 60,000 tons (54,400,000 kg). Original combined weight of Bridge, anchorages, and approaches is 894,500 tons (811,500,000 kg). Total weight of Bridge, anchorages, and approaches (1937) is 894,500 tons (811,500,000 kg).
The sex-doll de-ageing they did on Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen in this movie gets me every time.
Wasn't this literally the first movie that used the de-aging CGI technology? It's amazing how far we've come from this movie.
And it was set in the 80s , and they look nothing like McAvoy and Fassbender lol.
@@user-dz6fy6qv2l It was, and it's the same company that went on to do it in the MCU, iirc.
@@TheGodfather-bm3ow I still hate how they didn't age them up at all in later films. The last movie is in the 90s, for crying out lourd. Lol.
Look at that and then look at the de-aging they do on hugh Jackman in Logan 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Its not a diffrent timeline. The old actors that are in the new movies is still the same timeline. "The Wolverine" is still in this timeline, because in that end credit scene Xavier and Magneto are back and Logan is like "how are you alive?!". This leading into days of future past were Logan changes his timeline to the reboot timeline. It all comes together there
Exactly. Holden is usually on top of this stuff, not sure why he got it wrong? Maybe to throw Jen off?
@@MattRowland that or he doesnt know about the wolverine end credit scene
I’m pretty sure Jean disintegrated everything Logan would have been holding. That’s why he didn’t use the cure on her.
He could've put the cure in his pocket. She didn't disintegrate the pants
She can't be "cured", the Phoenix isn't a mutation, it's an alien creature inhabiting Jean's body.
@@BlackHeartGames not in this interpretation of the character. In this version it was just a suppressed and dormant power inside Jean.
Hence why a lot of us fans don’t like this film in the franchise
I think the point is she can't live with herself after all these happened, she's going to kill herself even if she lost her power
Need more "Holden Thomas Hardman ! " moments from jen
You guys should make a compilation
Along with all of "Stanleeeee !" Squeals
I love this one, I like how dark and evil Jean looked in this movie showing the true power of the dark Phoenix
Wow Jen asked a question I never thought of in 15 years! "Why didn't he just stab her with the cure"
I mean it probably wouldn't have worked since Magnito kept his powers but I seriously never thought of that!
As a kid this one was my favorite X-Mem movie. I still love it to this day because of all the cool looking powers
Grown up now knowing a lot more about the X-Men stories i can see the flaws
It felt the most comic book-ish. Plus, Kelsey Grammer as Beast is perfect casting. But, yeah, the movie is flawed. Definitely better than Dark Phoenix though.
@@ramblinman07 “so did you fix the problems with Jean’s powers in Last Stand?”
“Yes sir i did. So the problem i think people had was that her power was always inside her”
“Oh really?”
“Yeah”
“But isn’t that what you set up in Apocalypse?”
“Uuuuh i don’t remember that”
“Ok, it’s not like i’m gonna re watch that movie so i’ll take your word for it”
@@namecomingsoon9517 Whoopsie!
Am I the only one who thought this was one of the better xmen movies? Specifically, because of what we see in the "reboot" movies, the relationship between Charles and Magneto becomes fully fleshed out, which makes Charles death in this movie that much more meaningful, especially when Magento watched it happen.
8:26 I'm dead 🤣🤣🤣 Dude is struggling so badly not have another: "Holden Thomas Hardman!! " moment
in the hospital jean says "kill me"
at the end she says "save me", saying the same thing but differently
Yuuuup
IMO the lines were in the wrong places. They make more sense switched.
" So now he's just a normal 65 year old on medicare ? " lol
On Rogue having a baby. Usually in the comics, close relatives are immune to each other’s powers. She had a kid in the AoA storyline, but I think Magneto made a field around it while she was giving birth.
It’s only the summer brothers that are immune to each other. Hell before the retcon the twins and Polaris are never immune to magneto.
@@Cream-2128 I thought Black Tom and Banshee were immune to each other, also.
Wolverine couldn't use the cure on Jean because she disintegrated everything that got close to her. The only thing that could approach her is Wolverine due to his healing.
And his pants
She said save me then it turned into "I don't want to fix it" at which point she slams him across the room and struts out into the hallway like a boss. His "been there done that" instincts kicked in and he had to stab her quickly. Also the scene right before he approached... she disintegrated all the "cure" needles shot at her, along with the soldiers who shot them... so there was no cures to inject her with. (that's how I interpreted it)
Killing Jean is like the only part of this movie that really holds up, he had to kill her because the phoenix was taking over and it was a character moment with him having to do what he needed to instead of giving in to what he wants which is really the character arc that Logan has across this whole series, the rest of the movie pretty much sucks and to say that the death of Jean was the worst part is just a lack of understanding the movie
Agreed, although I didn't think the movie sucked, I really liked it. But I agree they way Jean is killed by Logan was justified in my books, like you said Phoenix was taking over, she had already killed Prof X the only other mutant that could of controlled her, and then she was just killing everyone on the bridge and basically disintegrating everything, and most likely any of those cure shots so Logan really had no other choice, he had to stop her for her own good and for everyone else.
Plus its gets us head-Jean in The Wolverine, which is my favorite Jean performance.
Yikes. Big yikes.
I would also like to say, that the sheer guilt and shame she is feeling when the phoenix isn't taking over would be so much. They never mentioned how she would feel in that situation. So she wanted to die because in her eyes she is guilty of murdering her loved ones all the same
This is why I advocated about watching these in plot chronological order. Charles moving into the body of the coma twin does play out in the Wolverine mid-credit scene, which leads directly into DOFP, so it's not true that they didn't do anything with it.
Also the entire timeline is explainable by watching in this order: First Class-Origins-X1-X2-X3-The Wolverine-The Gifted-Days Of Future Past (First Timeline "Reset")-Apocalypse-Dark Phoenix-Legion (2nd Timeline "Reset")-Deadpool-Deadpool 2-New Mutants-Logan
Technically Juggernant should've went thru that wall because he isn't a mutant.. his powers are mystical from the Crimson Gem
One of many problems with this movie
@@ramblinman07 that always bothered me… but it seems like a constant theme now even in Deadpool.
The featuring all of these mutants was more about the fan service of just seeing how many they can fit into the movie. It was fun when I was younger, but I understand story and writing more to see how messy it was. Kinda like how Lil' Wayne and Tech N9ne got me into understanding lyricism in hip hop or how creatively dark metal lyrics can be.
I hope you'll like First Class. On its own I think it's one of the best flicks that has the X-men brand slapped on. I felt like it has the soul and charm that the comic book movies are missing nowadays even if the main plot has obvious, probably intentional flaws, similar to the sam raimi spiderman movies.
I agree, 100%. The only problem I had with First Class was the roster. I get that they wanted to avoid using the classic team, but I'd have preferred they did and then branch out
@@bryanlozano1996 yeahh true, everyone was pretty forgettable except for the main cast ofc.
"Okay Pyro" is very Cinema Sins "Earn that pay check Tyrese" energy.
I’d be nice for Holden to explain to Jen what the phoenix actually is and why the professor tried to suppress it when it was inside Jean. It probably would clear a lot of things up.
But in this trilogy the Phoenix wasn’t that cosmic force or anything like that , just her full untapped power.
@@domingorubies656 yea the movies tried to make it her mutant power hopefully the mcu gets this and the rest correct. Also they have juggernaut as a mutant here when he’s clearly not.
20:41 Physics my dude. When two objects try to occupy the same space, the one with less mass is moves away from the one with more mass. Since Kitty is less massive than the planet, she's "ejected" out of it when she turns her phasing off.
This would also work with Nightcrawler if he were to teleport into a coffee table. The table would weigh less than him and so the table would be moved out of the way of him taking up that space.
The reaction at 45:22 - 46:00 had my LMFAO…😂😂👍
They did something with Charles’ consciousness, they just don’t explain it in future movies.
The coma guy (SPOILERS)…
…was his twin brother. That’s how he’s there at the end of The Wolverine and during Days of Future Past.
You don't know how much this x-men reaction actually means to me
Yes I agree with Jen, Scott deserved more. He is Captain America of X-Men while Wolverine is the Tony Stark that is their character dynamics. Sucks that Fox made the Trilogy "Wolverine and friends." Instead of it being a team movie like Avengers.
Imagine an Avengers movie with Captain America being completely useless, yeah that's what the original trilogy did to Scott. He was the leader of the X-Men and the movies did a huge disservice to his character.
Now it's just a matter of time, waiting to see how Marvel will approach the character (if even at all)
For some reason they spent far more time on Logan’s story than anyone else’s - the public at large ended up seeing him as THE main mutant, never realizing how important Scott was / should have been. I knew who Wolverine was years before I finally saw the first film, and little to nothing about the others.
I liked Cyclops from the beginning and always wished he’d had a bigger presence. Knowing he actually should have makes me feel cheated now.
@@glitterspray Logan's situation in these franchise is like the early incarnation of the Tony Stark treatment but executed horribly. Granted, in the MCU I personally think they did a disservice to Cap but very very minorly as at the end of his MCU run they gave him the respect of saying his iconic line. Whereas, in all the X-Men movies we didn't even get to see Scott lead his team to battle.
@@glitterspray I think a lot of it has to do with Hugh Jackman's rising star status as of the first film. He really started to blow up, and Fox really wanted to capitalize on that. The sad fact is that prior to the first film, Cyclops was actually the more popular character, often leading the X-Men and standing in as the poster-boy for Mutants. Hell, he was even the leading Mutant for the Capcom Street-Fighter crossover.
3:30 "He could have been the Pigeon. Flies over and poops on cars."🤣
What an idea!🤣
The heart break in Jens eyes when you said I didn’t hit record 😂😂
for real🤣
I thought she was going to take back the marriage when he said that🤣
2 things. They did do something with the Prof X thing. Thats how he came back in the end on the wolverine and dofp. And also the phoenix force isn’t a mutant gene so the cure would not do anything
I do not think the Phoenix force is a thing by this point in the movie series. They clearly imply that its just her own mutant powers.
@@Merecir that’s just the lazy writing of the screenwriters not explaining it cuz the end of x2 clearly showed the phoenix force in the water which clearly isn’t a mutant thing. X3 was just lazily written
You know, you raised an interesting question. Could rogue ever have a child? And would she be able to touch that child? My guess is, the way marvel goes, if she got pregnant via…alternative means…her child would be born a mutant and the only superpower it would have is that it would be the only person she COULD touch. And then later on we’d find out that the superpower is actually immunity to everyone else’s powers, which would actually be super OP. Cool idea.
In the post credits scene of the Wolverine it shows prof x alive again
The only explanation he gives wolverine is saying “you’re not the only one with gifts”
This movie is probably the weakest of the three, but in some ways it is my favorite. The stakes were incredible, with main characters being killed or completely upended early and often. Visually, it was stunning. And there’s a personal level I want to address-as you’ve pointed out before, the original X-men comics were written as an allegory for the Civil Rights movement, with Professor X and Magneto as ideological stand-ins for MLK and Malcom X, highlighting the strengths and weaknesses of civil disobedience vs militant resistance against mass oppression and discrimination. As you noted in X2, the films began to touch on more dimensions of oppression and discrimination, including that for the LGBT community. While I don’t think this movie exclusively was a metaphor for only that issue, the part about the cure hit me particularly hard. I am gay, but unlike Rogue or Hank with their difficult to conceal/handle differences, I can easily pass as straight, like how Storm says ‘no big deal just be proud of who you are..’ it is undeniably easier for some people. And yet still, even with the privilege of being unassumingly masculine, I have often found myself wishing for a magical cure to save me from the stigmas and shame that are still pushed in our “modern” era by so many backwards and fearful/hateful people. I really felt for Rogue (and Angel in that scene where he was a boy trying to hide his ‘difference’ from his father..) feeling that she was broken and had no place in the world as she was born to be. The way they captured the nuance of this dichotomy between pride and shame really knocked this one out of the park for me.
Couple of small corrections: in the post credits scene, Charles’ consciousness DOES get transferred to the coma patient like you said, but the patient themselves is supposed to be his twin brother, explaining why (SPOILERS) he’s alive in The Wolverine’s post credits and Days of Future Past.
Also, the “timeline” that started with First Class isn’t really meant to be a new timeline, rather it was supposed to be a prequel to this trilogy up until the reset in Days of Future Past. THEN it’s pretty much a new timeline with Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix, only changed by Wolverine’s interference in the past.
The Golden Gate Bridge weights 894,500 tons. I believe Film Theory calculated that to lift that weight through sheer magnetism, the magnet in question needed to output, every second, the energy the sun does over a year.
Also Superman Returns was directed by Bryan Singer who chose to do Superman Returns instead of direct X3.
The end result, both movies aren't that good.
In the credits of NO WAY HOME, they gave a huge thank you for AVI ARAD
He ruined THE LAST STAND, SPIDER-MAN 3 and TASM2
And they still gave him a thank you
Spiderman 3 is godlike!
Eh, he made them interesting. Not good, no, but interesting. With TASM being the exception, I can't say that about the other entries in the franchises he "ruined"
@@levischorpioen he made those movies to sell toys
That's why they were so shallow
@@Zombiesnyder13 Eh, I liked them though. They were dumb, but that made them fun. The other ones are just boring and uninteresting with mostly unlikable characters.
@@levischorpioen they underestimate their audience
This is what ruins movies nowadays
The Wolverine pants comment really made me laugh !
“Sorry, I’m ruining it, I know, I’m sorry.” Continues to run it for the rest of the movie 🤦🏽♂️. Thank goodness for Jen and her commentary.
They had Wolverine kill Jean here because the death of Jean Grey/Phoenix in the comics was a huge, major event so they were trying to recreate that experience/feeling in the movie but failed tremendously, in my opinion. The Dark Phoenix Saga was a 8, 9 issue storyline in the comics and they tried to cram it into one movie, which was ridiculous. That storyline alone could have been an entire cinematic universe. Unfortunately, doesn’t look like the MCU is going to revisit it for awhile if at all, which is a shame.
They actually do follow up that end credits scene with Chuck. They follow it up in the end credits of The Wolverine and X-Men: Days of Future Past, the sequel to both The Wolverine and X-Men: First Class. The Wolverine also shows Logan coping with the fact he killed her. I completely agree about Scott. Yet again, he got done really dirty. "Kitty" Pryde is what she's called in the comics, but that was more her nickname. She later goes by Kate Pryde, her real name being Katherine. As usual for these movies, she's a great character, but the movie doesn't fully do her justice, especially Rogue too. This is both a terrible adaptation of The Dark Phoenix Saga, and at the same time, I kinda enjoy this movie now. It's a big step down from X2, but it still has some interesting ideas and fun action in spite of the story's unevenness. For being one of the mediocre X-movies, it's still a pretty good time in spite of itself sometimes.
Also, I wouldn't have said anything, but only because you simply had to mention it... i'm not comparing the current-year injections with this fictional "cure," and say whatever you want about the coof vaccines, for them, against them, whatever. One's opinions about it are kind of irrelevant, because the base issue isn't really "the science." What the movie does address and makes a valid point about for today is that coercing people into being given invasive medical procedures of any kind whatsoever is an insanely unethical violation of the human right to bodily autonomy (and may potentially skirt dangerously close to violating some Nuremberg codes). It's a personal/property rights issue more than anything. Consult a trusted physician who knows your medical history, do your own research, and make your own informed choises as far as I'm concerned, but politically weaponizing public health policy by mandating people surrender their right to bodily autonomy under threat of losing your means of engaging in society and providing for yourself is authoritarian and deeply immoral.
The issue with Scott is a bit complex. Bryan Singer left the X-Men franchise to make Superman, he then cast James Marsden. The studio then made the ultimatum that nobody from the series could join Singer’s film and killed off Scott as punishment. Iceman was initially going to play Jimmy Olsen in Superman Returns but had to drop out because of that stance by Fox.
In 2006, I was in middle school, and at my peak with my X-Men fandom, playing both X-Men Legends/Ultimate Alliance games, comics, official guide's, toys and merch, and saw the film three times in theaters... And I didn't like the film the first I saw it... (Had to see it with people who didn't see it).
Like this film was received so poorly, it really threw a wrench in going forward, so PREQUELS and SPIN-OFFS, what could go wrong!?
This film... It hurt me, because it butchered two completely different storylines, Astonishing X-Men's cure storyline, and The Dark Phoenix storyline, both rushed, and added on the part were no other characters, get room to breathe, like, all five original X-Men (Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Iceman, Angel) are in the movie, and did nothing with it, and Rogue, Kitty, and Colossus have no character development, in any of the main films.
Also, Rogue as right now in the comics is doing great, married to Gambit, has full control of her powers, so she can touch whatever she wants now.
Storytime, so, Brett Ratner is another sex pest like Bryan Singer, but way more gross. He told Elliott Page to calm his nerves and make out with a crew woman to finally admit what he likes... Basically outting Elliot. So I'm never gonna like this movie, even if wasn't a diehard X-Men fan.
Yup Rather sucks. Singer literally finished 2 parter finale script. He even promise to return after Supe Returns finish shooting. Fox refuse to wait and Rathner crammed 2 part movie into 1. Which shows.
Hopefully you were like 11 when you went thru that phase I hope you weren't a grown man doing all that 🤣🤣🤣
@@hugh-jasole 12 actually lol
That’s revolting about RATner. What an ahole.
R. Lee Ermey's voice is so unique I knew it was him just from the initial shout of "Let's go!" R.I.P you badass.
When the X-Men 3 plot is basically the state of the world right now…
“Make no mistake, they will force this cure upon us.”
You're giving heavy anti vax vibes
7:07 OMG Shohreh frickin Aghdashloo!!!!!♡♡♡
Not even supporting a side here but just leave politics off the channel please 🙏🏽
“She's got to have sucked the life outta him by now” and just like that, his mind went right down the gutter😂😂😂.