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Being so small and having a lot of feathers and bone, Simon reminds me of a Gypsy Vanner. Since they're drafts but rarely get over 15hh.
That’s really smart
I’ve worked hands on training gypsies and I definitely think it’s possible. People cross gypsies very often. We worked with a few 14 hh gypsies as well so had they crossed that with another pony breed you’d likely get something like Simon
That's what I think of when I see him as well.
There’s a purebred gypsy at my barn who’s like 13hh. He’s tiny. This would make a lot of sense
There are gypsy cobs too
I feel like Simon could be some sort of Gypsy Vanner (which is a cob breed). I really wish they showed cob breeds for the test you did for him since he has the feathers and coloring of a gypsy
C Horse that’s what I was thinking too!
I am personally not so sure, because I own a gypsy vanner and she has a very different head shape, but also the mane is quite a bit thinner. Not hating. Just my opinion.
Yes, and it could be that there is an Iceland pony in him too. He has the specific gait of this breed. I see it when she had trained him, he walks for a short time i ' dont know the english word but in my language it is called Tölt.
How tf is Simon part akhal-teke 💀😂
I know right? He's like the exact opposite of one...short and hairy 😂
He definitely isn't 😂 bad test
It could be that because the akhal -teke is such an ancient breed that many horses might carry a slight amount of DNA from that breed but for Simon it would be a much smaller percentage than the test showed.
Bridget Connor Totally agreed, just like the cream draft, both are ancient breed that could possibly be(somehow) Simon ancestors. Well knowing that the horses that came to America where morron x andalusian crossed horses, that morron where(are) actuall arab breeds( like Shagya, Arabian, Akhal-Teke) and the Andalusian breeds where(are) a mix of Iberic horses( From England, and Central Europe). So, at the end we can tell that those DNA tests where sort of right, somehow by historical facts.
omg I thought the sane
The test is wrong, Shelby! I think Simon is *pure* Akhal Teke 😂
Ash Fire Equestrian yes🤣
100%
"this is just me and my shih-tzu chilling" 😭
Glad to hear Rou is heading to a good home, it's amazing to see how far you've brought both of the ponies in the past months!
Obviously Rou is a Clydesdale X Arabian and Simon is TB X Shetland how could they be so wrong 😂 definitely not the most accurate but all that matters is that they’re healthy, sound and happy!
Oh, and what about Welsh Mountain Pony for Simon? There were tons of them about in your parts... easy to train, cold-hardy, and FEATHERS!
Oh dear, that WOULD explain the akhal-teke/draft cross(sorry-NOT SORRY, Texas A&M). If you look at recent revised(sorted out)histories of the British Isles the Welsh Mountain Pony could be a cross between the central Asian cavalry mounts(thanks Rome!) and the local drafts! I've seen that metalic sheen on some of them when they shedded out in the spring. wow.
Rebecca Ferguson oh! Now I know where to get a welsh mountain pony, but I'm still wondering about the chincoteague pony. I don't know if any have feathered legs and I've heard that wild horses and ponies have harder hooves, but I do know that they're built sturdy, do sometimes make good competition ponies, and if trained improperly, might just be left to grow wild after being bought as a foal. I had a small encounter with a mustang a while ago, and know that as much as the owner tried to train it, it was so shy that eventually they had to sell it again.
It's really too bad that horse DNA testing is inaccurate, cause I was really looking forward to seeing Simon's! My heart horse looked very like him and I had the same type guesses of part draft, maybe some cob. :P
congrats on selling Rue!! So glad she's going to a good home
Simon's results are hilarious, part akhal-teke! That might be my fave. I'd believe Rue was something like 3/4 quarter horse and 1/4 warmblood (or even half, honestly) only because I have a half Kaimanawa (which is a NZ wild/feral horse breed, like the mustang but smaller and with a pretty strong Clydesdale and British pony influence), half hanoverian, and the only way I'd believe he's half hanoverian is because I know the stallion and the situation that led to him being bred (accidentally, fences were jumped). He does have a touch of refinement from the warmblood but he'd pass for full Kaimanawa no problem, he (sadly) inherited very little of the warmblood athleticism! Dad was a nice show jumper, and Cruise struggles to coordinate all four legs enough to get off the ground sometimes! Some first generation crosses do throw very heavily to one breed, so mayyybeeee Rue has some fancy warmblood in there but it's way hidden under a whole lot of quarter horse :)
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For some reason, I enjoy guessing horse breeds so here are my best interpretations of what Simon and Roulette could be:
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As most of the other commenters have already mentioned, I’d agree that Simon has got to have some Traditional Cob DNA. In regards to determining which pony breed he’s mixed with, I thought it would be rather interesting if he was partial French Saddle Pony or Lewitzer Pony. Although since those two breeds aren’t fairly common, I was also considering Gotland Pony or New Forest Pony.
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For Roulette, Quarter Horse would make sense as her primary breed, but I also believe she could be partial Irish Sport Horse. Then again with guessing warmbloods, it’s so hard to know for sure.
Shelby: uploads video
Me: clicks faster than the speed light
Heeler genes are pretty potent. I have a blue heeler mix who I'm sure is at least 50% and heeler people recognize her as working stock.
As I suspected Phoebe does have Blue heeler and Border Collie, that's what she looks like, both great herders. Every mutt has Pit Bull (or American Staffy here) here. Simon - well that was a bit odd! Percheron x Welsh pony x with a pinto pony mutt. At least they got Roulette reasonably correct, QH are my top horse and she looks like a QHx as you said.
Why wouldnt they include cobs?
I agree that Simon is probably 25ish% gypsy, short, drafty, black tobiano
I want to get my dogs tested. One came from my exs stud dog who was APBT lab cross with a "pitbull" shes the spitting image of a staffie
My other dog is labXboxer but look like a black ibizan hound
I think they just don't have the breed genotype in their system, they need to get more different types of DNA and increase the accuracy of the testing
Simon looks like maaayybe he might have some gypsy cob ?? There was an akele teke ....I think I spelled that wrong.. breeder in bc for a while ages ago , glad roulette found her home so quick ...they are both adorable 💕💕🐎
Your puppy is what we call a Heinz 57 (mutt). Lol shes cute and in an amazing home now and thats all that matters 🙂 this was pretty neat and interesting. I have 2 papered GSD and I've always been curious to see what their DNA tests would say about them. Congrats on the sponsor and thank you for the baby update! Have an amazing day, Shelby!
Amazing video xxx
I've always wanted to do this ❤️❤️
I’m gonna miss Roulette! She’s such a lovely pony ❤️
Simon looks like he could be a cob cross breed. He reminds me a lot of a cob, based on his colouring and the light feathering on his legs.
Roulette could be that...a lot of people are breeding their fav QH to the warmbloods(that are by definition SUPER mixed)and then dumping them if they aren't instantly fab. It's pretty sad sometimes as they often look like bad Frankenstein experiments. Imagine a WB sized head slapped on a stringy QH(it's owner thankfully just LOVED her)!
You might want to collaborate with a Spanish speaker...the Argentines should be waaaaay ahead of Texas A&M (which is hilariously famous for intellectual myopia to the point of paranoid schizophrenia with confabulation- I kid u not)(I am Texan)and the Koreans should also have quite the data base.
I genuinely love your intro💗💗
Yeah when I first saw Rue she reminded me a LOT of my QH/Morgan cross mare
Yeah I think that's probably what she is! It would make the most sense
omg squidge the akhal- Teke
Imo, rescued is the best breed.
My former horse was a Belgian x QH
By a Paint QH
Out of a Belgian x QH
He was a fantastic mixed beast
we all knew about phoebe being Australia cattle dog also the American pit bull as she looks like a twin to my dog. Same colours just in different places. He’s black on white.
Embark is amazing!
I call them « bonbons melangés » (mixed candies!). They’re a great breed 😂
"Cocktail de prairie" ;-) ^^
Ohhh ça aussi j’aime ça comme expression!
A&M is so wild with their tests😂
In Czech Republic, where I live, most of ponies, especially like school ponies or non show ponies have as breed 'pony' in their papers. And even when their owners know breed of one of parents, they usually don't write it, so those information get lost very quickly.
And I also knew horse, who was about Simons heigh, but was legit warmblood :D he just didn't grow enough :D
As always, thanks for great video :)
I have a 1/2 heeler, 1/4 lab, 1/4 pit puppy. She's a terror 😂
Yeah Heelers are little demons to train 😂
In my stable there once was a pony that was a cross between new forest, arabic and norweigan fjord-horse (vestlandshest). She had the fjord-horses striped black and white mane and their black stripe along the spine. She also hade the arabics elegant head but with slightly less extream feutures and her coat was like sunny golden yellow color. Beuty as she was called, was a truly special horse and she was incredibly beautiful (therefore the name...). Unfortunely Beuty is no longer with us because she had to be put down after a nasty knee injury she never recovered from.
Thanks for doing this
Yay I’ve been waiting:)
I also did the same test through Texas A&M on my rescue. His seemed pretty accurate - 1st breed was a QH, 2nd was a Missouri Fox Trotter, 3rd was a Selle Francais (wild card, lol). Though I believe after doing a bit of research, Selle Francais and Missouri Fox Trotter derive from some of the same older/ancient breeds, so I guess that is why it shows up in the DNA.
Definitely a fun thing to do to find out what they *might* be :)
As a Aussie she does look like a healer cross and stray dog found on a farmers land can be shot on sight here in australia as well I have a feeling that border collies are a breed that was used to create the blue heeled or a australian heeler
It makes sense that horse breed tests wouldn't be super accurate because half of our current horse breeds are just registry based and most registry studbooks only closed within the last 100 years. So there just can't be as many distinct genetic markers as with dogs to really get an accurate read. The weird horse breeds could just be them hitting enough markers of the ancestors of more common breed. Like the Turkoman is thought to have been an influence in developing the Thoroughbred I think?
i loveee simon!!!!! ps I love your intro :D
yea i have one bush pony, one mongrel with definitley some clydestale in him and a voltaire ii x tb and thats all i need to know about them lol
Phoebe’s Breed is Heinz 57
I need to DNA test my dog. because as we can al agree, there is no such thing as a 50 pound Pomeranian.
Hahahahah 😂😂😂
Abigail Lyttle maybe a larger Spitz? :D
@@feigekatarina5745 yeah my mom thinks he is a Spitz. its just a joke in the family because when we got them we were told they were Pomeranian, so we were expecting like 10 pounds.
I have done DNA testing on both of my rescue mutts. I used Wisdom Panel both times and found them extremely accurate. They go back 3 generations and the test could not be easier. I have nothing but positive to say about them. They also go on sale on Black Friday.
@@laurendoerr thats a good idea. I also got a new pup yesterday. A however old catahoula. That would be good for my dog because before i got him he was used for breeding and i want to know what his "family" looks like.
I have had both of my rescue dogs DNA tested using Wisdom Panel. I found it to be very accurate both times. My 2.5 year old 25lb came back as 25% pit, 25% Chihuahua, 25% jack russel, 12.5% Rottweiler and 12.5% cocker spaniel. The other dog (1.5yrold 50lb) is 12.5% of each of the following- pit, chow, English springier spaniel, Australian cattle dog, Boston terrier, boxer. They also found 2 mix breeds 3 generations back. (She comes from a long line of street dogs). They are the best dogs ever and are complete opposites of each other.
I'd be so excited he has 2 extremely rare breeds in him.
He looks nothing like said breeds so it definitely isn’t accurate. Horse DNA tests need fine tuning and are not as accurate as canine.
Honestly, I could see Trakhener for Roulette. Having worked with a few types of Trakhener, they can be rather thick boned for an athletic horse. I can completely see a Quarter Horse/Trakhener looking like a pure Quarter Horse. The Morgan/QHs I've seen have a lot more bone definition in the face than Roulette has. This is just an opinion, and I suppose we'll never really know lol I'm glad she's going to a good home!
She just isn't upright enough or athletically built to really be a WB breed, I don't think anyone would be guessing part WB without the test and given her test and Simon's, I'm not inclined to believe it.
@@Milestone-Equestrian Yeah, that's fair to say. Simon's *was* completely off base, so I understand any skepticism with the accuracy of it. Have you considered doing colour testing with them? It's one of those things I just kinda formed an interest in, and I feel Texas A&M is more accurate with their colour testing than breed testing services
Ive been wanting to do the Texas A&M test with my girl, shes a fellow auction horse. She’s definitely a cob tho so i might wait for them to add more breeds.
I feel like Simon has to have The 3rd opinion in him at least, but he reminds me of a Gypsy Vanner cause of the Feathers and Spots
Hehe so funny, my heart horse was a Selle Français and I boarded him and worked in an Akhal Teke farm in Normandy. SF horses are definitely sporty warmblood types, often quite tall, and everything's pretty thick and strongly attached. AT are the opposite, personally NOT my thing. They're incredibly long and thin, about as wide as a saddle stand (seriously!) and hold their heads up very high which can be crazy annoying lol. And they have those amazing gold or bronze coats. Just stunning. Some of the world's best long distance runners. However, they are such an extreme physical specimen that I'm sure you'd be bound to know if ur pony were mixed AT!! Shame they're missing Cob he sure looks like a Cob X. He's lovely that's all that matters really! ;)
I would love to do one on my horses because we know for sure he is full thoroughbred being Kentucky bred
Awe! Yay! 😊 I love ❤️ this video! Congratulations on Roulette getting her forever home! That's so exciting for her new owners, you and especially for Roulette! 😂 Loved hearing the DNA results! (Shocked to hear that, obviously as you've made a point on commenting about the time it took.... people were complaining about not seeing a video about it. Ugh. People need to chill 😉💜) Also, congratulations on your new sponsorship! That's so awesome!!! 🎉🇨🇦 Keep up the good work! Can't wait to see updates for Scarlet's baby! I'll be watching for those in mid to late April and until then I'll keep watching your journey with Simon, George and of course Milo! 💖🐴 @shelbydennis
I found this video fascinating! No apologies!
I think that Simon has some sort of cob in him or mini cob (yes that’s a thing I think) and I realise that cobs aren’t common in America or Canada but he really does look like one 😂😍
We bought a 13 hh mare from the auction. We thought she was a Cobb breed but we tested her for cussions because her hair would not shed. We started to trim her coat and desided that she was a Arab pony cross or something. We did not see it until all the hair was gone. Lol
I was riding a horse that looked almost the same as Simon. And he is a Gipsy Vanner mixed with some sort of Sport Pony breed. And I also think that this could maybe be accurate for Simon too.
Imagine if ru had trekehna in her, that would be insane, such amazing jumpers😩
14:02 I died laughing 😂
The wildest thing is that my dog is also the result of a stray dog problem in rural Australia, she’s also a hella mutt but her top two breeds are also Australian cattle dog and American pit bull terrier, they must be good as stray dogs I guess!
I called a few of them!!
How soon until you plan on potentially getting another project horse?? Theres a really lovely 6 yr old rescue mare named Mia that’s currently only halter broke that I bet would be a lovely summer project! :) shes a pretty unique pali pinto x from the 27 that were seized in December in CV.
I had what I called a Mortarhorse, as a kid, quarter morgan cross and a titch of pinto. He predated genetic testing by many many moons so who knows if I was remotely close.
hello :)
i think simon could have quite a big percentage of icelandic horse in him!
my family has two iclandics, and after having watched his tranformation video i saw a few similarities! :)
first of all - his appearance. his nose and eyes as well as the overall headshape look quite icelandic, as they are ponylike and the corners of this mouth are quite short. his whole build resembles the one of the breed.
secondly - his moves ;). in his transformation video his first transition to canter under saddle is shown - you can see that he kind of 'walks' into canter, and that the canter itself is not as 'jumped' and rather 'walked'. (english is not my native language, it's a bit hard to describe ^^) i guess he could be 3 gaited (like most other breeds) with a bit of tölt/tolt (one of the two 'special' gaites of icelandic horses, although other breeds like paso finos tolt too!) - he moves a bit like one of our horses, which is 4 gaited (but we have to work on his tolt - he's not a 'naturtölter' who shows tolt on his own)
last, but not least - character. icelandics are (mostly) friendly horses (and kind of sassy too ;)) after simon lost his fear of humans he seemed to behave similar to our horses in some way - nibbling on jackets and hats and looooving treats. our icelandics would do almost anything for food ;)
anyways, i think you've done a wonderful job with him and i hope he'll find a nice forever home!
my Oregon Indian Res adoption filly came out Morgan, MISS.Foxtrotter, and Percheron-she is 14hh -big bone in back not front, very beefy and feathery-who knows Debra
Hi Shelby! Have a nice rest of your day/night. ❤️
Dale, welsh mountain pony, and Caspian pony. It would be awesome if Simon was one of those breeds. I was surprised at how long his mane was, I don't think many breeds outside of Spanish or welsh can get their manes that long.
My guess for Phoebe would have been Border Colley x Jack Russel Terrier and for Simon Irish Cob x Welsh Poney ;-). Some Percheron ? I don't think it's possible for a small poney stallion to mount a huge Percheron mare ... Anyways this is interesting but frustrating as DNA tests are not quite reliable for the moment. I will have done one for myself one of these days, I hope it will be accurate !
Omg So Exeter to watch this video
Clicked so fast
When you showed the picture of your dog I instantly thought she had border collie in her 😂
You should do another dna test Simon
I should do one of those tests on my thoroughbred like she’s 100% thoroughbred and we can see the results
Chincoteague, it's very probable and it would explain how little socialization he's had. So many people buy the ponies there without realizing how difficult wild horses or ponies can be to train.
would have been lovely if you put pictures for the breed types up the screen, I mean except fo the ones you already put up
I think that most mixed horses in b.c at least have a little bit of quarter horse
I just got my rescue mares registry and results back from that same university last week and I felt like they were pretty accurate with her at least. The first result was thoroughbred which is what I assumed she was from the start, the second result was Trakehner which explains why she has such large withers so i could see that... The only one that I could just assume was way back down the line was Holsteiner being in her. Either way I have myself an english baby 100%
Yeah, she is probably less mixed than my two or has breed genotypes that are more researched. Milo's test seemed more legitimate but these two just simply couldn't have had accurate tests
@@Milestone-Equestrian That's unfortunately probably the case but, hopefully in the future they will have more information about the genetic makeup of other breeds since I believe they base the results off of 50 horse breeds or so (I could be wrong though). My mare probably just happen to fall in a couple of those genomes. But 50 breeds will not go a long way when you see how many breeds there are, most being mixtures of the older breeds which are most likely the ones that they've studied. We can only hope for more specific research in the future. 💙😊
wish you would have shown the percentages on the screen as well :)
Hahaa these tests be crazy!!
omg i want to dna test my auction yearling soooooo bad!
The turkomen shows up in so many mixes (they are now extinct) since they are in a lot do markers show up. Same with Arabian showing up in non Arab horses lol
I would call Simon a welsh a/b. He is strong built and looks like a normal welsh
wow i would never guess simons!
My horse is a selle francais and I can defo say he looks nothing like roulette!!
What's an Australian "Heeler" is it the same as an Australian Shepherd?
I think the horse DNA test would be fun just to see if you got any crazy results. Like I know what my mare is she's a quarter horse Arabian cross likely more Arab than quarter in her there is no denying it she moves like an Arab has vitiligo(which if you didn't know is ver common in arabs) has a build that's dead center between a quarter horse and a Arabian, but it would be fun to see if she comes back like warmblood or something. My mom and I would honestly get a kick out of it.
Cream drafts are basically a palomino gypsy lol... they are on the smaller side. I've worked with a few and I could actually see Simon being more cream than the other two breeds... in the states they are more rare but have a decent group of people that breed purebred and crosses because of their AWESOME minds and ease of training.
I'm sure there are breeders but I would find it unlikely that one of the select few breeders in the area would breed a cross to send to an auction. As far as I know, we have none near by and Simon was in Alberta.
@@Milestone-Equestrian I'm all the way down in Colorado, but the barn I worked for actually got one of the creams at draft auction in Kansas with papers. There are alot of BIG sales down through this part of the states though. They aren't like a kill auction... Either way, Simon is adorable and you have done a great job with him!
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Embark runs through Cornell
Love the new intro tho
What about chintoneage for Simon?
I could see Simon being a gypsy vanner x Welsh with maybe like some quarter horse?
Lol little simon gets draft and percheron
It's mainly pronounced Alkal teke Simon remins me of a gypsy vanner/Welsh pony he's quite boney so he could be part Percheron like you said
I think Simon looks like a Irish cob pony 😇
Thought I’d mention there’s a rather large Alke Teke barn in north western Washington state. So not saying Simon is part one (he really doesn’t look like one) it’s slightly more likely than it’d be normally considering y’all are in Vancouver
Yeah, he is from Alberta though. I would definitely say there's no way, he couldn't be a mix of those breeds and be 13hh
@@Milestone-Equestrian I agree. Hope they can improve the dna testing in the next couple years
What’s the name of the song for your intro?!💕💕
Roots by Alice Merton
I love your intro song! What is it?
No Roots
Ok thanks
The cream horse and Percheron seem quit similar other then colour I think xxx
they’re large horses and he is only 13hh
@@Milestone-Equestrian are ok thanks Shelby, I misunderstood, I thought you thought he was a Percheron. Thanks for doing these videos, it’s so interesting to watch 💙🇬🇧💙
I think that Roulette could actually be part trakehner. At my barn there are a lot of trakehner crosses and they too have short stubby legs and are really small 😊. Its just my opinion tho.
I can pretty much guarantee she isn't because it also showed up as her second breed type which means she would be more trakehner than quarter horse and it just simply isn't accurate it isn't the height that's throwing me off its the conformation, nothing about her build is indicative of any type of warmblood breed
Are you hoping that the foal is a specific gender? And if so, which one would you prefer?
I would love a colt but honestly any healthy foal is good for me.
yeah no way that first DNA test for Phoebe was right....... I have always assumed she was large part heeler , she looks like a blue heeler apart from her colour.
omg i was so confused with phoebe's results at first because i was thinking Australian shepard and not cattle dog