@@smilealwaysnatasha3423That part. She literally had a onstage alter ego to help her come out of her shyness. The whole I Am/Sasha Fierce album. I Am being the more vulnerable, sensitive, normal Beyoncé vs Sasha Fierce the fierce, sexy, beast on stage
You spoke about something we don't talk about enough in the black community, black girls being introverts. For some reason, when you're a black introvert, the community is so quick to call you stuck up, especially if you're a woman. I've been called everything from mean, to stuck up, by people who haven't even taken the time to know me. My mom, who is the same way as me, still calls me stuck up to this day. I can't stand it, and she won't stop. I'm not stuck up, I'm just introverted and have to know you on a personal level to really open up. It's annoying as hell and should be discussed more.
This. I got a lot of "I thought you were stuck up and mean but you're pretty cool" from people just meeting me😵💫 To the teachers I was "A pleasure to have in class". Add a lack of eye contact, taking longer to finish work, & social anxiety- this will automatically make some kids want to make fun of you or think you're stuck up.
Who cares what other people think? They're going to talk either way. I’ll be who I am unapologetically. Whoever has a problem, that's their problem, not mine.
When ppl say things like what they saying to you is because they are demonic monitoring spirits!!! They feel entitled and obligated to be let into your private life!! Do not change!!! Keep being introverted and reserved! Keep your exclusivity! Don't let nobody shame you!!! Deal with them accordingly!! Nobody should be guilting you to force their way into your life! This goes for family!!
It also means they have a problem with how you guard your privacy and your life. They hate your introvertedness because they not ALLOWED to just bombard your boundaries and be let in so easily!! They want easy access to abuse you!
Yeah it is, and sadly it’s still going on in different black households. At least for my family it’s a norm, “it’s a preference”, “you’re looking at it too deep”, honestly I just stopped talking about it.
And a lot of parents instead perpetuate those stereotypes. Calling their light skin, lighteye babies their pretty ones and expressing other such sentiments.
The thing with Mea Culpa, is that they did NOT focus enough on the issue lol. The blood and skull fragments? Was she paid off? That movie was too long for them to not be focusing on the crime lol.
Thank you!! Somehow law and order explains the entire plot of every crime in under an hour but tyler perry couldn’t tell us how they got enough of her blood to seep into the apartment below and skull fragments OR why she went along with it at all 😂😂😂 we deserve better
That was my issue with both Mea Culpa and A Fall From Grace. How are these people being charged with murder when there are no remains, Tyler? Some blood and skull fragments without other remains isnt enough to declare that woman dead. I wish he would at least try out a new plothole, don't use the same one as before lol.
9:18 Yup we are always the villain. Anytime a dark skin girl dislikes a light skin girl it’s perceived as “jealousy” or “hating” they never mention personality or character traits
They also fail to mention home life. Peep how her family is the ones making the claims of "jealousy" if at home they're bieng told that them lil black girls are going be jealous of you and mean....do you think the child is going to interact in a friendly reasonable way upon meeting... No. Also bieng told every time an disagreement of any kind happens... Oh that black girl is just jealous isn't productive in proper socialization for a child 🤔
Because that is usually the case. Y’all pretend there aren’t any other experiences outside of darkskinned girls experience. I’m not light or dark skinned. I’m dead in the middle and I have witnessed an endless amount. Of dark skinned girls and women hate mixed or light skinned girls just because. Even when they never speak a word, they find a reason to target them. Not all dark skinned girls and women do this but plenty do and it’s usually over their skin being criticized negatively by some family members or a guy so they take it out on every light skinned girl they know. I have no dog in this fight but I’m telling what 38 years of my life in multiple cities and a few states in middle class spaces from school to work. This is usually the case
And it’s always jealousy never anything else. Whenever it comes to the light skin boys and their experiences with dark skin guys they never say that the dark skin guys were jealous for whatever reason it’s always with the girls and I’ve noticed most of the time those girls grow up with the superiority complex when it comes to black women. In anytime somebody disagrees with them, or simply just doesn’t like them they think it’s jealousy smh 🤦🏾♂️
Exactly. I was similar to Beyoncé meaning I was an introvert and a LOT of kids didn’t like me right off the bat because I was quiet. But I knew one girl, not the same anymore but she was light skin, long hair and light eyes and I did not like her, but … she was annoying and stuck up and a bully. But my “friend” kept saying it was because I was dark skin and jealous. Girl ain’t nobody jealous of her ? Again this was middle school, thank god she not the same but like ?? Folks were mean to ME because I didn’t talk often. I got bullied all the time for being dark and THEN folks had the nerve to ask what I was mixed with because I had “good hair” so I couldn’t be black 🤡 so duh nobody wanted to talk. And idk why folks act like black people cant grow hair. I know everybody brings up the relaxer but when I was growing up that’s when the hair was the longest because parents actually cared to care for it 🤡
I agree, there is a difference. I am a light-skinned full black woman (both parents are black) but I always get put into the same category as bi-racial or mixed women and there is actually a difference.
@@t_harris2_489I have always known for us fully black ppl to say another fully black person is lightskin w/o them having to be considered mixed but a lot of times that’s the next question is “are you mixed” lol but you don’t have to be mixed in order to be considered lightskin
And maybe the little darksinned girls were dismissed as being less than the light skinned Beyoncé which naturally made them feel some type of way. Colorism is a terrible arbitrage in our community particularly for dark skinned girls, let’s not act like it’s not.
It’s possible that it wasn’t colorism. I know I was made fun of just for being awkward. Beyoncé is giving awkward black girl vibes but because she’s light skin folks forget how the quirky kid isn’t always popular. They can be ostracized for personality difference. It also seems like Beyoncé liked being alone but her parents and sister were more outgoing so they didn’t understand her. Solange is a similar skin tone and I have a feeling that she had no problem making friends because she’s more outgoing and assertive. Beyoncé has said she only turns into Sasha fierce on stage for work.
@@JamieBleuI agree with this. Beyoncé is quiet and introverted. I was the same way, and people said I thought I was better when in reality I was shy and never knew what to say. When I was around my maternal cousins I would come out of my shell, and now with friends I can be more extroverted, but as a kid I was definitely an awkward black girl.
Girl pls I was much darker as a kid than I am now, and I was NEVER treated as less than bc of the way I look. Not everything is abt colorism! Beyonce is very introverted like me so stop trying to make this a bigger issue than it is, she just doesn’t wanna be in ppl’s face all the time like most BW do
I deadass stopped dealing with a close cousin because she made a comment about a child "actually looked mixed" after telling me before kids looked Samoan abd their mixed🤨🤨🤨like my issue is..how much u have to look mixed to be mixed???I didn't choose to have mixed kids.im black and fell in love with a Caucasian man.Even had ppl ask who kids I kidnsp or who I'm babysitting
Yeah that's called projectibg your own insecurities onto others but at the end of the day bc didn't ask to be born in the skin she is. Nobody does whether you were born light or dark and everything in between
Jealousy is a basic human emotion. It can be experienced at any age. How jealousy is expressed can be conditional on what behaviors that have been demonstrated and the environment the child has been in.
Yeah that’s not entirely true. When parents are introducing a new sibling to the family, they’re told by doctors to ensure to keep the oldest (a toddler) sibling involved so they won’t get jealous of the newborn. Children don’t have to learn how to be jealous because it’s already there.
Some Africans don’t act as if we do. Anytime I wear any traditional African clothes I notice African women always got a strange look on their face. I’m also Muslim, had a Hindu look at me funny today and it’s jummah for wearing my abaya and hijab. I even did ancestry and when I told my African friend I was Nigerian. He responded with “are you sure” So I think there’s a game being played with us. Either, they KNOW we’re not African and are in on the joke with the Europeans because you must understand history. The Africans brought the Europeans over here to America and Africans were enslaved by native Americans so maybe that’s why they don’t want to say who we really are because basically we enslaved them. And I’m just speaking for those who say they’re Indian. That includes my deceased grandmother she told me I was Indian when I was 7. But my 85 year old loving grandmother confirmed were Nigerian and I never told her I took ancestry test. But she ALSO DID say her grandfather was Indian. So the elders would know and the elders are who passed it down to us so it’s weird that people try to get mad at us for claiming it as if we just found out today. In Louisiana mainly New Orleans they practice and dressed in traditional Indian clothes every year during madi gras the Trinidadians also during their festivals wear feathers 🪶 so some one is lying to us. And then most get mad at us when they’re not understanding that we have to FIND ourselves nobody else in the entire world have to find out who they are we are butt of everyone joke and it’s the first insult a foreigner of ANY kind gives us. That’s why our respect to them is little to none. According to GOOGLE only 30-100 Africans came to look it up. But when I was little in school they told us MILLIONS came what I did go and researched is Cargo ships didn’t exist during that trans Atlantic time. Only sail boats did so no sail boats were transporting millions of Africans it take months to get here by water in harsh conditions ready to slave on a plantation?! No one would of survived. Majority of the story is a lie. Millions of Europeans came but not millions of Africans. And Spaniards aren’t from America either so how could Spanish speaking people be from America ? Common sense not so common we can’t allow strangers to tell our story any longer. And lastly, they’re NO AFRICANS trying to help us find out and those who visit Africa are being TAXED heavily for their money just because they were born in America. So in conclusion if it WERE our mother land Africans DONT ACT LIKE IT. it’s so obvious we aren’t African by the way they treat us.
@@Cherokee004Spanish speaking people do not identify with being Spaniard at all and people in Latin American countries speak Spanish simply because of colonialism or however you say it (same way black Americans speak English because of colonialism) no person in Latin America views themselves as a Spaniard at all…claim being African, Spanish and Taino mix simple. It’s really not that complicated and there’s nothing wrong with being African or having African blood…it doesn’t change your history or something. Plus some Africans not wanting to claim African Americans is not going to magically mean you don’t have African roots just cause they don’t wanna accept it (and most likely it’s because most Africans, Caribbeans and Latinos in general view being tied to African Americans in a negative way…which is probably art of the reason they don’t want to accept or claim it)
I see NOTHING wrong with Chili not taking up space from dark skinned women. Any other time people are mad with lighter skinned women taking up dark women spaces, but all of a sudden people are mad she doesnt consider herself chocolate??
I was just going to say this. She's not chocolate, she is more caramel in complexion. Black people need to quit arguing about dumb shit. Whether she meant it in a way of saying "I'm not that dark" doesn't matter cause I don't want people taking up spaces from dark skinned women as a dark girl myself
she's not chocolate but she is not what we consider to be Carmel when speaking about skin tones. She is very dark with a different undertone. Indians can also be very dark and not chocolate because they have a different undertone. Chili is DARK. In India she would be considered dark skinned. She is Dark skinned in my opinion, just not chocolate.
There’s different shades of chocolate. Chilli is brown skinned. But the Hilarious thing about this whole thing is that I’m pretty sure the young lady was referring to chocolate as “black women” as in her white boyfriend got himself a black woman. Either way the entire debate is embarrassing.
Chilli tans very just like me she is caramel for sure but tans such a pretty brown sugar color. And light skin Keisha is delusional if anything she she is a lighter shade of brown light brown not light skin. Like at the end of the day who cares we are all black.
@latia7139 It may be regional bc I've also heard ppl refer to light skinned ppl in interracial relationships as chocolate. I think it's all encompassing bc we would have to break it down into all these variations of brown. That's over-complicating it.
Yup, the photo with the braids reminds me of Blue Ivy at that NBA game when she rocked the exact same braid and had lost a tooth just like Bey in that picture lol
As a south African i am also confussed i mean she didnt win an African award,bet award,Mtv award like the basics and suddenly she gets a grammy it a little bit confusing
I hate this idea of she’s jealous because she’s LightSkin I’m the same complication as Beyoncé and them kids didn’t like me because I didn’t have Jordan’s 😂 they literally told me it was because I didn’t have gear 😂😂
As someone who’s in the middle b and consider myself very much brown I get the confusion. I’ve had dark skin people call me light skin and light skin people call me dark skin. When I started saying I’m brown skin I’ve seen dark skin girls say that were in denial and trying to distance ourselves. I’ve never got the “light skin treatment “ nor the “dark skin treatment “ the color spectrum wars are very exhausting and I’m just like f it call me what you want just know I’m black 😅
Honestly, it depends on the region you are from in America. I am from down south and Chilli is considered brown skinned in many areas In La and SC she would be called dark skinned. The thing is why stop and correct it. I have been called different colors depending on the season. I never felt the need to correct someone whatever color they called me. It screams insecurity.
Geez the projection and self hate is real in this comment and thread. I pray y'all surround yourself with positive black people and stop letting social media dictate your views of reality because what's on social media is not real lol. Seek help
I don’t like that they said ppl was jealous of Beyonce because of her skin and hair smh can’t believe they came out to say that like darkskin ppl jealous ugh smh 🤦🏾♀️
I mean it was confirmed by producer Bryan Michael Cox who went to the performing arts high school with Beyoncé and Letoya Luckett were in . He was doing songs with them at the time and he talked about her being hated on by other girls for simply existing and she was always a very gorgeous, reserved and talented girl. Some ppl feel threatned and projects their insecurities to others ALL the time.
@@AngeBiampandouI was just about to say this. I am from Texas as well and I grew up in the south as well. I’m from Dallas Texas. Beyoncé is from Houston Texas being a Creole little girl growing up in the south is especially in the 80s it wasn’t that many mixed children as it is today, so I don’t like it when dark skin girls try to deny that there were other dark skin, girls who picked on light skin girls, not saying dark skin girls didn’t have it worse not saying reverse colorism is a thing because it’s not a thing but I think a lot of dark skin women are afraid of being villainized or looking bad, but Beyoncé going through jealousy and a lot of other light skin or mixed girls going through jealousy from other black girls was definitely a thing growing up especially me growing up in early 2000 so I know it was worse growing up in the 80s and 90s I just don’t like how they try to deny that I think it’s being dishonest and I think it’s fair to say that dark skin women felt this way because of systematic issues due to colorism and being made to feel like they’re less than lighter skin people due to what they’ve been programmed to believe and it can cause jealousy. I think that’s OK to say I think we talk about lighter skin girls being picked on we kinda try to avoid accountability and we have to be completely honest
@lakacialloyd9027 I’m not sure about the adult stuff but Beyoncé wasn’t a bossy kid until she got into music and was serious about her craft. People were referring to Beyoncé when she was as young as in elementary school I was shy also an elementary school but I feel like it will be dishonest to say that her being Creole also played a big part and that as well. Being considered black as a creole child, and also shy reserved and quiet, yeah that’s not going to take too well at a predominantly black school with other black girls. As a black girl went through it and I’m not even creole so I can’t imagine what it was like in the 80s on top of being creole and shy.
@@AngeBiampandou did he specify that the girls “hating on” Beyoncé were dark ? Or did you automatically make that assumption? That’s the dam problem constantly vilifying little dark skinned girls.
@@aniiyarai But did you see the pic of Beyoncé as a child? Sure she was cute, but I’m from the 80s and southern. We saw plenty of mixed kids that looked like models. Most of them were praised and the girls wanted to look like them, and it wasn’t just the dark skinned girls either. Honestly, you could be pretty and awkward or just awkward and be teased mercilessly. Just my opinion, but I think it has to do with personality. If kids/adults see that teasing bothers you, they’ll continue doing it.
I love AFRICANS! How can I not love what’s in my blood!!! It’s so damn ridiculous to think otherwise. I love Black Americans if they didn’t pave a way I wouldn’t be here and have the rights I have as a Jamaican. Can we just stop 🛑
The acting was so BAD….so bad. Like I couldn’t take anything seriously. Then Mea (Kelly) acted “shocked” when she found out he does the art on the ceiling thingy for all his women 😂😂😂 Then what really made me mad is that she watched him sleep with another woman THEN went back like it was her turn!!!! I. COULD. NOT. 😂😂😂
Totally agree. I was honestly shocked that she responded that way. She could have just said thank you and let the comments argue about her complexion- like ppl are doing now 🤣🤣
Exactly! Black girls of all shades get targeted if they’re shy. Crazy, because when this happens to dark skin girls, it’s never viewed as “oh she was bullied because they were jealous of her skin tone”. I also hate that we act like dark skin ppl are never bullied when we talk about Lightskin people being bullied. It sounds like we all got effing bullied LMAO!
True. Her look is quite comment in LA and SC. If you are any percentage of black around black people and introverted and quiet - you need to learn how to fight. It is just simple as that. The world is not built for introverts period. However in our communities across the diaspora, loud and bold is always praised. I am AA from down South and my best friend from college is Jamaican American from Florida. We both were accused of being everything from stuck up to slow as kids because of our being reserved. 😂
Tyla winning a Grammy - y’all forget this award show is a popular/politics contest. Popularity because her song was everywhere. Politics because SZA should’ve won album of the year yet they give it to Taylor. The award means a lot to artists and their label but it’s all a joke and just for show.
The grammys are rigged and racist lol. Out of the 66 AOTY winners since 1958 only of them are black and only 3 of them were black women (Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston and Lauryn Hill). It's been 25 years since a black woman has won AOTY. If Beyoncé lost 4 times to Taylor Swift, Beck, Adele then Harry Styles with culturally impactull bodies of work. SZA despite all of her success in the past year with SOS (10 weeks qt number one) and Kill Bill and Snooze being huge hits. She stood no chance against Taylor Swift who won her 4th AOTY (2010, 2016, 2021, 2024)
I heard someone say they believe Jay Z probably bribed the recording academy so Sza couldn't get it. He was up there complaining that Bey hasn't won AOTY yet and Im pretty sure he wants her to be the first one to win it since the 90s. You know the Carters love to break records!
AOTY is a tough category overall. I don’t care for Taylor and never will but that category is the best of the best bodies of work in each genre. Now IMO SZA should have won for CTRL and Beyonce should have won’t it for Lemonade. There’s definitely a lot of anti blackness in that category because you can’t convince me that there has been no other body of work since then that is comparable if not better than the Miseducation of Lauren Hill. But generally the winner of that category deserves it and depending on where you sit, you wanted your fave to win.
@@mwright0428 “Tough category” but Taylor won it 4 times easy huh. Should be a once in a lifetime award if it’s a tough category. Again politics and popularity at play because for SZA and CTRL, she was the most nominated woman of that year. 2018 right. Didn’t go home with a single award not even best new artist. Alessia Cara who won that category deserves her Grammy just for her songwriting, but it was thanks to Zedd on why she won it, they had hit song at the time. Alessia even mentioned in her acceptance speech that the show is a sham. I do agree with your theory on some anti blackness being involved in the voting process. There’s no doubt about it, it’s so obvious at this point.
@@christinem8799 your not wrong. Like I said I don’t care for Taylor swift at all and how she cleans up every award season is extremely obvious and will always be a mystery to me. But that aside- lemonade lost to Adele’s album which was a really great body of work and just because I personally don’t listen to every genre, that doesn’t always mean their stuff isn’t worth the nomination or the win. Unfortunately for black artists the odds are double stacked against us with it being a popularity and political contest. Beyoncé doesn’t ever need AOTY and I wish she would realize that and stop playing the Grammys stupid games
Tyla won because they want to make biracial women the face of the new BW. That’s why I check Claudia and AL no matter how many times they say they are black 🤷🏾♀️
Yeah, also @Bianca and Time Square. Kinda weird that she implied Tyla only performed it on tik tok when she had so many performances of it. But we move.
I love Tyla’s song but I think Ayra Starr should’ve won. I don’t feel sorry for anybody that chases money without doing the necessary background checks. I really believe that Porsha knew about his scamming ways but fell in love with the lifestyle. However, I do believe that she had a boundary and if his scamming got to a level where he would be detected and it would affect her brand she was going to bail out. 😆
Yes, I think that Chili is caramel as well, but she didn't have to go out of her way to say that. If somebody called me chocolate I'd take that as a compliment and keep it pushing. I will check out the movie, since you said that you enjoyed it, cause like you I was scared to watch it with the horrible reviews.
Maybe she did need to go out of her way to say it. What’s wrong with acknowledging that you’re not chocolate? . She doesn’t have to take anything as a compliment if that’s not her truth… stop forcing it on people. People don’t have to fake it…
@@AhminaIsmaelPeople don't & shouldn't fake nothing including being lighter then you are because she is not Caramel! TBoz is Caramel! Left Eye was Lightskin! And Chilli is Chocalate!!! Not Dark Chocalate but Light Chocalate! There's different versions of Chocalate you know & she one of um.
Light chocolate can be the same color as caramel. Caramel is darker than peanut butter but lighter than most chocolates. Chili is in the sun all the time so people forget she is a medium tone most of the time because she tans so fast.
@@khoney6600 She’s always been dark to me, sometimes medium brown, but usually dark. Now her hair and features might be why they want to call her light, but they’re delusional, because if she had a wide nose and kinkier hair this wouldn’t even be up for discussion 😂
@@AhminaIsmaelgiven the racial climate inside and outside of the black community- it’s wasn’t worth addressing. Chili has been called worse and had way worse rumors spread about her that she doesn’t address. IMO she could have just let the comments have it. The color spectrum argument is silly to me because everyone sees different shades differently. It’s a battle that can’t be won so don’t feed it. The media does it enough. We don’t need to do it to each other.
I’ve never corrected someone when they say I’m darker. I’m black! Black people are dark. I don’t have self hate for real! And I love loved Mea Culpa. Soooo much.
I was rooting for tyla and I’m glad she won but i kinda agree with what you’re saying . Like if someone else won I wouldn’t have thought she got robbed of the award but it’s nice that’s she won
The category is supposed to "recognize recordings that utilize unique local expressions from across the African continent, highlighting regional melodic, harmonic and rhythmic musical traditions." Which is clear so I'm having trouble understanding where the confusion lies. Maybe the word performance is throwing you off, however Tyla very much deserved that award.
Black coffee once talked about how african Americans rejected beats from him because they weren’t african enough. If you dare have your own race or cultural definitions this specific demographic will suddenly get off the problack bandwagon and slight Tyla instead of uplifting darker artists.
Sure. Watching someone who JUST got on the scene surpass you with one song is INSANE. Meanwhile there are SEVERAL other artists with catalogues and great performances that didn’t win. It’s just very odd to me🤨
@@TckleBxx well that's too bad, just because she's a new artist why should her art be penalized for that fact? As per the category as well as sonically Tyla deserved that award. The award was not based on catalogue either is a better artist than all those artists? No, Did water have a bigger impact and is it overall the better song as per the category description, Yes. I would hear your argument had the category be defined as something along the lines of "Best African Act" but that's not what it is so my point still stands
I love Tyla , but she shouldn’t have gotten a Grammy so soon. Miley Cyrus won her first Grammy this year and her catalog spans over a decade and multiple different genres. Tyla hasn’t even released her debut album yet. This is why people have stopped taking the Grammy and other awards show seriously because they give awards to people who have been in the spotlight for relatively short periodsof time, whereas there are veterans in the industry that haven’t gotten those awards.
When I hear chocolate I interpret it as a brown skinned girl, which Chilli is and in the context it was used it makes sense. So the need for chilli to clarify is giving a little piece of anti blackness. Cringy😬
As a Gen X black American, that comment was not from one of us re: braids. We know where it comes from, we may have out our own spin but yeah we wouldn’t try to claim that. Also, if you look at how much we paid homage and celebrated all of us throughout the diaspora in the 90s and earlier I really do believe it’s another group causing division. I wish it would stop.
I feel that skin tone is relative to where you live. I live in the Midwest and Chili would be considered dark caramel (brown skinned) here. However, I lived on the West Coast most of my life and Chili would have been considered chocolate (dark skinned) there. She's a beautiful woman either way!!!❤
I'm from the west coast (California to be specific) and Chili in no way shape or form would be considered dark skinned lol. She may be considered brown or caramel when she tans and then in the winter definitely would damn near be called a light skin. I'm dark skin myself and shes nowhere near my shade
@@jailynjackson7867 I'm from the midwest and consider her to be dark skinned. she's not chocolate but she is not what we consider to be Carmel when speaking about skin tones. She is very dark with a different undertone. Indians can also be very dark and not chocolate because they have a different undertone. Chili is DARK. In India she would be considered dark skinned. She is Dark skinned in my opinion, just not chocolate.
Tyla went on tour with Chris Brown and her performances were all over social media. The other artists are good but last year Tya did her big one. Hence the Grammy, check the numbers for her song too. It makes sense for that category. She has other music too that’s been doing good before water.
The Grammys isnt based off numbers or virality though. They judge the music based off the content alone: the lyrics, production, engineering, and originality. Thats why it weird that she won cuz its a very generic song and the lyrics are pretty basic.
@@jujubee6030 “A track and singles Category that recognizes recordings that utilize unique local expressions from across the African continent.” That’s the Grammy’s description of what’s needed to win that category. Tyla incorporated Amapiano and Barcardi into one song and it caught fire. If that isn’t originality then idk 🤷 Now Barcardi has an international audience. Thats worth a Grammy.
@@jujubee6030thank you. Folks forget this. The Grammys is supposed to be about the quality of the song. Not how well it did on the charts… we know how it goes…
I think Mnike should have won cause she mashed up the two songs to perform a lot of the time…I feel like it was more of a hit if we basing Tyla win on one hit
Tyla has a Grammy the same reason Blue Ivy has one; they know people! Chili is dark caramel &T Boz & Left Eye are light caramel. Just like they have light chocolate & dark chocolate. We come in all shades, flavors, & complexions. That’s why our melanin poppin! Yes, amen Culpa was good! There where a few Now, Tyler! Why did you put that in there 🫢. I take it as he became over excited& said let me just add this! lol!
I agree with the chilli and beyonce statments. Chilli caramel but she aint have to push the fact and ppl are so fake about beyonce. When she was in destiny child what was majority of ppl saying???? I dont like Beyonce. Every damn body said it. Now its dark skin girls? please. Now as far as my experience, light skin girls have been the bullies. Some think they automatically should be in the spotlight and will get extremely jealous if someone not as light gets attention. Just my experience 🤷🏾
That has been my experience too! It was often as a kid and even now as an adult. It's sooooo noticeable. In 4th grade I had my first black teacher, a lighskinned lady from up north. She was sooo mean to me. She even lied about a letter that was written by someone in a different class saying I wrote it. My mom looked at the letter and took me out of that school immediately. My bestie was lightskinned and the teacher hated that.
@@67y3j3fv2wg the mere fact that you responded it means you heart is paining. She doesnt need to prove anything to anyone, if you dont like her and her music honey thats fine......your just a drop in the ocean......now rest!!!
@@limpopoRiver I responded because in case you haven't noticed, this section is reserved for comments . The audacity of the weak attempt at gaslighting people not to respond to your comment bathong! Then don't leave a comment then if you don't want a response. Back to the topic.....she needs to prove herself, unless things have changed and the Grammys now just give away honorary Grammys lmao
there's a whole channel on UA-cam called exoticals where the women literally argue and say that Carmel is light skinned lmao. they use a foundation test to determine who is light according to them. Anybody who does not call them light skinned they say is jealous and trying to humble them. They also call unambiguous black women the undesirables 🤣
1. I agree...Reesa Teesa and the other woman are two sides of the same coin 2. I was today years old when I learned the Mea-Culpa existed and starred Kelly Rowland 3. Cornrows are American...that doesn't mean that style didn't exist in Africa before then. Smart people see the troll account for what it is. 4. Since when is best african performance a category at the grammy's? Who still watches the grammy's? NEXT 5. Don't care about the City Girls 6. LMAO...Chili is has always been dark skin to me.
She’s ok. The song was popular globally… more than others mentioned. I don’t see a MJ or Beyoncé. Just a good song that is catchy. Normani can sing this and that’s not saying a lot.
@@truthspeaker1508 you might not see a Michael or Beyoncé level but not all legends are that type of performer. Look at Rihanna….people doubted her and said she couldn’t sing but she has became an icon in her own right. Tyla gives me that vibe. A beautiful fashion forward foreign girl with the perfect combination of innocence and edge. Don’t doubt Normani neither. She can easily surprise us too.
Tyla deserved it, we can talk about colourism and pretty privilege and those are factors but so is work ethic charisma and popularity, this young lady can dance very well, has excellent stage presence, is very confident and has been working for years she’s brand new to the states but she’s not brand new to Africans, water isn’t her first song, Butterflies, On and On, truth or dare she’s an excellent singer & lastly she can’t control the fact that her looks add to her popularity, the people choose who they make popular & they chose to put her above artists in her genre, that might be unfair but it doesn’t mean she didn’t work just as hard
So what about darker skinned women that has the charisma, talent and vocals that will never get recognized like for example Bree runway, doechii, and Justine Skye.
@@kordeination6385 I don't think that means we should necessarily discredit a talented woman who just happens to be light skinned. Although, I do kinda agree with your point. Rewarding Tyla for the sake that she is pretty and has a lighter complexion is not only insulting to many talented dark skinned woman but, Tyla as well.
It is not lost on me that the first African female artist being given this level of exposure (I'm talking even now Korean artists know her by name) is one who has mixed ethnicity. I'm not denying her South African identity at all but for all the black successful artists that I've seen come out of the African continent, none has been more universally accepted and praised by the Western music industry. It really shouldn't be surprising and I'm tired of people getting defensive and saying that "Americans" are so focused on race. Just say bl k people since I know that's what y'all are itching to say. Since she is now also working in America, she is now operating in the racial and ethnic structures of America. I can't speak for South Africa or any other country. But yes, her race and ethnicity do matter here.
It burns me up when foreigners say “Americans are so obsessed with race” when they’re ignorant to our history or even more so when they’re not. Almost everything is racialized here, and that does not exclude music. Furthermore, unlike South Africa and Brazil we have a strict race binary that just now in a recent decade acknowledge multiracial and biracial identities.
@@suni3368 Speak on it!! Race is incredibly dependent on location and the one drop rule really has an effect on how America categorizes race, unlike other countries. You cannot say "America is obsessed with race" in one breath while simultaneously making fun of us for being "ignorant about other countries' histories" in another.
I was lokey shocked by Chilli But I remember the generation we come from there are tones of colorist/colorism behaviors But I tell you who will remind them no matter your tone You Black Muah💋 Whyte People 😂😂😂
I never saw her as Carmel, clearly she’s not the darkest but she’s never presented as light skin to me. So when she corrected that person I was a little shocked at how she sees herself. 😮💨
@@VirgosGroove3 ikr… That was weird, because growing up listening to TLC, I always saw her as being the chocolate girl. Lefteye was the lightest and Tboz was caramel/medium brown
I think people are missing the point, noone is saying that Chilli ISNT caramel we just mean that her having to correct when saying someone is chocolate is a blanket statement is dramatic to correct in my opinion. Its not about the color, its about the implications of the **correction** I completely agree with u!
I agree with what YOU said take it as a compliment and move on. But people were in fact saying she’s chocolate and she’s not caramel and that the other members of TLC were caramel
@@tiffyq7794Yup, she's very color struck like a lot of black GenXers ane she was the darker one in TLC too. Left Eye (R.I.P) and T-Boyz were/are light skinned
I think the Grammy’s is defining Performance by how the song performed in the masses and/or how well the artist performed on the record. Nonetheless, everyone nominated was rightly nominated and anybody could have won and it would have been valid. Amazing category.
@@kordeination6385 I think they mean how the song performed in comparison to their peers nominated in the same category, for best African performance Tyla’s song water went international in 2023 in comparison to the fellow nominees for that year, any time Normani has put out music even good music her songs haven’t outperformed the songs of her peers in the same category, there are less African artists in the mainstream which makes it easier for someone new to win when there isn’t as much competition
@@kordeination6385Wtf does it have to do with Normani. She doesn't have a hit bigger than Water yet. Tyla was performing everywhere. Normani released and then dipped after Motivation besides the Vma performance and same with Wilside. Water went top 10 and was pushed by a Tiktok challenge and the performances at the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, The Voice, BBC UK...
I think this conversation hits different if you're an African. We Africans rocked with afro beats and now amapiano. We've been supporting these folks before it was even cool. In her own genre of Amapiano, there are far better performers, Kamo Mphela, DJ Maphorisa, Tyler ICU, and others. Her one song holds no candle to these performers. If it's an Afro beat genre, they beat her hands down. Burna Boy and Davido sell out concerts here, so, she's hardly comparable to them. That's why I don't think she deserved that Grammy. There were far better performers
Hey dear just to correct you Tyla is south african and her song is amapiano Nigerians are the owners of afrobeat while south africa amapiano Hope you don't feel offended
When it comes to Chili, I don’t let myself get caught up in all of that. Let her believe what she wants to believe about herself. It doesn’t take away from my dark skinned beauty if someone doesn’t claim theirs. I’m also tired of the conversation that somehow darker skinned women are jealous of lighter skinned women. It’s literally just not factual. You can’t put all of us in the same group. Almost everyone of my family is lighter than me and we all get along, colorism wasn’t an issue, I literally felt like the favorite and I had a lot of love for myself because a lot of love was poured into me. I’m grateful for that. Let’s just start loving black children and pouring love into them because the world is already going to try to tear them down anyway. Sometimes kids aren’t even jealous and don’t even know what that feeling is. I don’t believe I ever grew up wanting to be lighter like my cousin. I might’ve noticed a difference in how I was treated by people outside of our family, but it never made me feel any sort of hate or jealousy towards my cousin. She’s my best friend. And that’s not on some pick me ish because I know there are people who deal with it and I feel really bad for young, dark skinned women who do deal with colorism who do deal with comparison who do deal with being torn down for something that they can’t control. It’s not right. I definitely sympathize with it even if it wasn’t necessarily my personal reality. I see it and I hate it and I also call it out with my Latino friends or Asian friends when they make comments about each other being dark or light. It’s just an insidious thing and literally from the pits of hell. Why is skin tone so important on either spectrum? It’s so annoying and just needs to stop.
yes she benefitted but her daughters have been on the receiving end of colorist and hate comments. I think her daughters gave her a rude rude awakening
Confused about the hair debate, Africans were shipped out of Africa to the U.S. and took their hairstyles with them, and all of a sudden the hairstyle originated in the U.S.
Also when you raise your kids believing that they’re the prettiest & everyone is jealous of them coz of their looks, imagine how they turn out as adults.
@@sagittariusbeautyCoi is light skinned bfr. And Puerto Rican is NOT a race. There is such thing as a black Puerto Rican cough cough Joseline Hernandez, Joan Smalls, Carmelo Anthony, Tego Calderon..... There are different shades of light skinned too. Beyoncé and Solange, Chloe and Halle, Left Eye and T-Boyz, Tischa Campbell Martin...
@@AngeBiampandouBFFR, we’re talking about Black American not biracial/mixed. Stop adding biracials/mixed people, like Coi, to the pile. Coi is a light skin biracial person, do not include her when we’re talking about people with 2 *BLACK* parents. Like I Said, Chloe and Halle are examples of light brown skin black women.
@@iameloho718 it's not a twerk though. It's a dance from South Africa called Bacardi. The others in the category were good but their songs didn't go as viral or global as Tyla's did. Kinda weird that you say that the way that you did.
Nah, people have valid reasons to dislike it. Its cool if you like it, but writing off other opinions as just hate is wack and makes it seem like you just like it because it IS TP.
@@elijahishereI agree! I love a little hoodlum movie - I enjoy dramas and thriller irrespective of the director- Mea Culpa was a cringey and the plot /character dev was poor - I was expecting more bc my girly Kelly R. was in it
The movie was aight lol if you watched every Tyler Perry movie you can see similarities in every plot, which makes every movie he makes predictable. It was giving Temptation, Fall From Grace and Acrimony all in one lmao
Ok so we see Beyoncé’s childhood school picture with 1988-1989 on it, so are we putting the “She’s lying about her age” rumors to rest or nah? Cuz if she’s the little woman from Orphan, let a sister know 😂
lol 😂 So Matthew being the average dad who forgets the age of his children is what caused this. Funny thing for me is that both my parents never forget my age and love to throw it in my face when they feel like I’m being immature or need to get married. 😭
@@VirgosGroove3How is Beyoncé caramel ? Bfr. Beyoncé is ONLY caramel when she tans. Was she caramel in the Halo music video ? Obssessed with Idris Elba ? No no no part I and II ? Not at all. She's a yellow lady and that is okay. Even Tyra was telling her how was her skin so close to her skin tone during one of their interviews bc she was usually much lighter and she talked about her make-up artist putting bronzer on her. There are pictures from the early 2000s showing that. She wore a pink top on it. Gorgeous woman regardless
@@AngeBiampandou no they definitely made Beyoncé x5 lighter in the halo video. They even made Michael Ealy lighter. She’s light skinned but that video she looked white and that was very much done on purpose
Yeah girl Tyla is beautiful and talented but she is a industry plant. This is a set up from the biggest black female ANR in music, Sylvia Rowen. Plan is to create a new Rihanna. Tyla was face front at the MET gala and other HUGE notable events etc. almost two years in a row before we even knew who she was or heard her first song. She's been set up to win so it's not surprise everything is coming automatic for her. It's a little strange and cheap. But she is such a cute little thing so I guess it's cool
I loved Kelly , hated the ending. Tyla didn’t need a Grammy, but it’s always a certain demographic selecting who wins- the song was basic and overplayed. JT was always the more talented one. Chili was weird asf for her caramel comment instead of saying thank you
Chili has always been strange about her looks. I remember when Jermaine Dupri’s daughter posted a pic and lot of people pointed out that she looks like Chili and miss thing went under the girls post and let her know “you cute and all but YOU DO NOT LOOK LIKE ME”…. Wtf is that? 😳 The girl does favor her… she’s just SLIGHTLY darker.
Maybe Beyonce is an introvert? People stay saying she is uppity and rude but it really seems like she just isnt an extrovert
she is. on the actual myers-briggs personality test site it says she’s an ISFJ personality type
People don’t know how to separate the entertainer from the person.
@@smilealwaysnatasha3423That part. She literally had a onstage alter ego to help her come out of her shyness. The whole I Am/Sasha Fierce album. I Am being the more vulnerable, sensitive, normal Beyoncé vs Sasha Fierce the fierce, sexy, beast on stage
There’s nothing people hate more than a pretty girl who is an introvert
@@BlendedBarbieDoll say this again!!! 😭
You spoke about something we don't talk about enough in the black community, black girls being introverts. For some reason, when you're a black introvert, the community is so quick to call you stuck up, especially if you're a woman. I've been called everything from mean, to stuck up, by people who haven't even taken the time to know me. My mom, who is the same way as me, still calls me stuck up to this day. I can't stand it, and she won't stop. I'm not stuck up, I'm just introverted and have to know you on a personal level to really open up. It's annoying as hell and should be discussed more.
Throw in being “attractive” and ppl think you’re sketch.
This. I got a lot of "I thought you were stuck up and mean but you're pretty cool" from people just meeting me😵💫 To the teachers I was "A pleasure to have in class". Add a lack of eye contact, taking longer to finish work, & social anxiety- this will automatically make some kids want to make fun of you or think you're stuck up.
Who cares what other people think? They're going to talk either way. I’ll be who I am unapologetically. Whoever has a problem, that's their problem, not mine.
When ppl say things like what they saying to you is because they are demonic monitoring spirits!!! They feel entitled and obligated to be let into your private life!! Do not change!!! Keep being introverted and reserved! Keep your exclusivity! Don't let nobody shame you!!! Deal with them accordingly!! Nobody should be guilting you to force their way into your life! This goes for family!!
It also means they have a problem with how you guard your privacy and your life. They hate your introvertedness because they not ALLOWED to just bombard your boundaries and be let in so easily!! They want easy access to abuse you!
It’s so wild growing up and realizing a lot of black parents didn’t have the colorism talk with their kids.
Yeah it is, and sadly it’s still going on in different black households. At least for my family it’s a norm, “it’s a preference”, “you’re looking at it too deep”, honestly I just stopped talking about it.
And a lot of parents instead perpetuate those stereotypes. Calling their light skin, lighteye babies their pretty ones and expressing other such sentiments.
Why would they when they themselves were colorist
I didn't rid of my colorist bias until I went to my hbcu
I’m interested in how that conversation goes? How dose that conversation go?
The thing with Mea Culpa, is that they did NOT focus enough on the issue lol. The blood and skull fragments? Was she paid off? That movie was too long for them to not be focusing on the crime lol.
Right! And not a single scene in court smh
It’s Tyler Perry, what did anyone expect lol
Frl like the “thriller” plot was not explored enough it feels like it was full of plot holes but I like the movie bcs of the “romance” aspect so😭
Thank you!! Somehow law and order explains the entire plot of every crime in under an hour but tyler perry couldn’t tell us how they got enough of her blood to seep into the apartment below and skull fragments OR why she went along with it at all 😂😂😂 we deserve better
That was my issue with both Mea Culpa and A Fall From Grace. How are these people being charged with murder when there are no remains, Tyler? Some blood and skull fragments without other remains isnt enough to declare that woman dead. I wish he would at least try out a new plothole, don't use the same one as before lol.
9:18 Yup we are always the villain. Anytime a dark skin girl dislikes a light skin girl it’s perceived as “jealousy” or “hating” they never mention personality or character traits
Facts
They also fail to mention home life. Peep how her family is the ones making the claims of "jealousy" if at home they're bieng told that them lil black girls are going be jealous of you and mean....do you think the child is going to interact in a friendly reasonable way upon meeting... No. Also bieng told every time an disagreement of any kind happens... Oh that black girl is just jealous isn't productive in proper socialization for a child 🤔
Because that is usually the case. Y’all pretend there aren’t any other experiences outside of darkskinned girls experience. I’m not light or dark skinned. I’m dead in the middle and I have witnessed an endless amount. Of dark skinned girls and women hate mixed or light skinned girls just because. Even when they never speak a word, they find a reason to target them. Not all dark skinned girls and women do this but plenty do and it’s usually over their skin being criticized negatively by some family members or a guy so they take it out on every light skinned girl they know. I have no dog in this fight but I’m telling what 38 years of my life in multiple cities and a few states in middle class spaces from school to work. This is usually the case
And it’s always jealousy never anything else. Whenever it comes to the light skin boys and their experiences with dark skin guys they never say that the dark skin guys were jealous for whatever reason it’s always with the girls and I’ve noticed most of the time those girls grow up with the superiority complex when it comes to black women. In anytime somebody disagrees with them, or simply just doesn’t like them they think it’s jealousy smh 🤦🏾♂️
Exactly. I was similar to Beyoncé meaning I was an introvert and a LOT of kids didn’t like me right off the bat because I was quiet. But I knew one girl, not the same anymore but she was light skin, long hair and light eyes and I did not like her, but … she was annoying and stuck up and a bully. But my “friend” kept saying it was because I was dark skin and jealous. Girl ain’t nobody jealous of her ? Again this was middle school, thank god she not the same but like ?? Folks were mean to ME because I didn’t talk often. I got bullied all the time for being dark and THEN folks had the nerve to ask what I was mixed with because I had “good hair” so I couldn’t be black 🤡 so duh nobody wanted to talk. And idk why folks act like black people cant grow hair. I know everybody brings up the relaxer but when I was growing up that’s when the hair was the longest because parents actually cared to care for it 🤡
I think when ppl say lighter skinned full black ppl aren’t light, they’re comparing fully black ppl to biracial ppl. There’s a difference.
I agree because atp who tf is considered lightskin 😂
I agree, there is a difference. I am a light-skinned full black woman (both parents are black) but I always get put into the same category as bi-racial or mixed women and there is actually a difference.
@@t_harris2_489I have always known for us fully black ppl to say another fully black person is lightskin w/o them having to be considered mixed but a lot of times that’s the next question is “are you mixed” lol but you don’t have to be mixed in order to be considered lightskin
@@iameloho718 Right, it get confusing sometimes.
I saw someone call a white Latina lightskin. I was confused 😭
This Tyla girl with 1 hit and no album getting a Grammy is a joke😂
Truth or Dare is becoming more popular and like you said HIT, which is why it won (aside from it being a genuinely good song🤷🏽♀️)
I can't even hate on her 🤷🏾♀️😂
@@Deenique16it not “hate. It just doesn’t make any sense!
EXACTLY
It's media influenced so we can't say much
Tyla winning over Davido and Burna is absolutely criminal.
Tyla can literally outperform them with her singing and dancing
I like her buy absolutely, Davido deserved it.
Agreed
And wiz kid! That whole album was fire Idek if he was in the category
INSANE
And maybe the little darksinned girls were dismissed as being less than the light skinned Beyoncé which naturally made them feel some type of way. Colorism is a terrible arbitrage in our community particularly for dark skinned girls, let’s not act like it’s not.
It’s possible that it wasn’t colorism. I know I was made fun of just for being awkward. Beyoncé is giving awkward black girl vibes but because she’s light skin folks forget how the quirky kid isn’t always popular. They can be ostracized for personality difference. It also seems like Beyoncé liked being alone but her parents and sister were more outgoing so they didn’t understand her. Solange is a similar skin tone and I have a feeling that she had no problem making friends because she’s more outgoing and assertive. Beyoncé has said she only turns into Sasha fierce on stage for work.
@@JamieBleuI agree with this. Beyoncé is quiet and introverted. I was the same way, and people said I thought I was better when in reality I was shy and never knew what to say. When I was around my maternal cousins I would come out of my shell, and now with friends I can be more extroverted, but as a kid I was definitely an awkward black girl.
Girl pls I was much darker as a kid than I am now, and I was NEVER treated as less than bc of the way I look. Not everything is abt colorism! Beyonce is very introverted like me so stop trying to make this a bigger issue than it is, she just doesn’t wanna be in ppl’s face all the time like most BW do
I deadass stopped dealing with a close cousin because she made a comment about a child "actually looked mixed" after telling me before kids looked Samoan abd their mixed🤨🤨🤨like my issue is..how much u have to look mixed to be mixed???I didn't choose to have mixed kids.im black and fell in love with a Caucasian man.Even had ppl ask who kids I kidnsp or who I'm babysitting
Yeah that's called projectibg your own insecurities onto others but at the end of the day bc didn't ask to be born in the skin she is. Nobody does whether you were born light or dark and everything in between
The only reason people think Chilli is caramel is because of her undertone and hair texture. She's not caramel, if anything T-Boz is caramel.
This. Thank you it’s ridiculous
Her undertone is still her skin tone and that skin tone is caramel 😂😂😂
@@JamieBleuYou clearly don’t understand what an undertone is.
@@JamieBleudefinitely not.. there’s darker ppl with yellow undertones does that make them a yellowbone?
@wonzjones6599 I agree with you 💯. Featurism and her undertone plays a big role in how people consider her as Carmel but she's a dark skinned woman.
Fighting over braids is really wild to me.
I agree
I didn't even know this was going on
If the kids are jealous, where they get that from? 👀 ADULTS 🤷🏿
Jealousy is a basic human emotion. It can be experienced at any age. How jealousy is expressed can be conditional on what behaviors that have been demonstrated and the environment the child has been in.
Yeah that’s not entirely true. When parents are introducing a new sibling to the family, they’re told by doctors to ensure to keep the oldest (a toddler) sibling involved so they won’t get jealous of the newborn. Children don’t have to learn how to be jealous because it’s already there.
Fighting over braids is crazy like we don’t have the same roots 😂 wth
ALL THISSSS!! I'm confused
Some Africans don’t act as if we do. Anytime I wear any traditional African clothes I notice African women always got a strange look on their face. I’m also Muslim, had a Hindu look at me funny today and it’s jummah for wearing my abaya and hijab. I even did ancestry and when I told my African friend I was Nigerian. He responded with “are you sure”
So I think there’s a game being played with us. Either, they KNOW we’re not African and are in on the joke with the Europeans because you must understand history. The Africans brought the Europeans over here to America and Africans were enslaved by native Americans so maybe that’s why they don’t want to say who we really are because basically we enslaved them. And I’m just speaking for those who say they’re Indian. That includes my deceased grandmother she told me I was Indian when I was 7. But my 85 year old loving grandmother confirmed were Nigerian and I never told her I took ancestry test. But she ALSO DID say her grandfather was Indian. So the elders would know and the elders are who passed it down to us so it’s weird that people try to get mad at us for claiming it as if we just found out today. In Louisiana mainly New Orleans they practice and dressed in traditional Indian clothes every year during madi gras the Trinidadians also during their festivals wear feathers 🪶 so some one is lying to us. And then most get mad at us when they’re not understanding that we have to FIND ourselves nobody else in the entire world have to find out who they are we are butt of everyone joke and it’s the first insult a foreigner of ANY kind gives us. That’s why our respect to them is little to none. According to GOOGLE only 30-100 Africans came to look it up. But when I was little in school they told us MILLIONS came what I did go and researched is Cargo ships didn’t exist during that trans Atlantic time. Only sail boats did so no sail boats were transporting millions of Africans it take months to get here by water in harsh conditions ready to slave on a plantation?! No one would of survived. Majority of the story is a lie. Millions of Europeans came but not millions of Africans.
And Spaniards aren’t from America either so how could Spanish speaking people be from America ?
Common sense not so common we can’t allow strangers to tell our story any longer. And lastly, they’re NO AFRICANS trying to help us find out and those who visit Africa are being TAXED heavily for their money just because they were born in America. So in conclusion if it WERE our mother land
Africans DONT ACT LIKE IT. it’s so obvious we aren’t African by the way they treat us.
@@Cherokee004may as well write a book bruh
@@Cherokee004 I don’t understand
@@Cherokee004Spanish speaking people do not identify with being Spaniard at all and people in Latin American countries speak Spanish simply because of colonialism or however you say it (same way black Americans speak English because of colonialism) no person in Latin America views themselves as a Spaniard at all…claim being African, Spanish and Taino mix simple. It’s really not that complicated and there’s nothing wrong with being African or having African blood…it doesn’t change your history or something. Plus some Africans not wanting to claim African Americans is not going to magically mean you don’t have African roots just cause they don’t wanna accept it (and most likely it’s because most Africans, Caribbeans and Latinos in general view being tied to African Americans in a negative way…which is probably art of the reason they don’t want to accept or claim it)
I see NOTHING wrong with Chili not taking up space from dark skinned women. Any other time people are mad with lighter skinned women taking up dark women spaces, but all of a sudden people are mad she doesnt consider herself chocolate??
I was just going to say this. She's not chocolate, she is more caramel in complexion. Black people need to quit arguing about dumb shit. Whether she meant it in a way of saying "I'm not that dark" doesn't matter cause I don't want people taking up spaces from dark skinned women as a dark girl myself
she's not chocolate but she is not what we consider to be Carmel when speaking about skin tones. She is very dark with a different undertone. Indians can also be very dark and not chocolate because they have a different undertone. Chili is DARK. In India she would be considered dark skinned. She is Dark skinned in my opinion, just not chocolate.
There’s different shades of chocolate. Chilli is brown skinned. But the Hilarious thing about this whole thing is that I’m pretty sure the young lady was referring to chocolate as “black women” as in her white boyfriend got himself a black woman. Either way the entire debate is embarrassing.
@TheSomethingnew1 Exactly. I'm not sure how everyone missed this. The woman wasn't speaking on skin tone, but her being a blk person.
@@TheSomethingnew1 caramel is a shade of brown, which is a shade of chocolate
LightSkinKeisha and Chilli are brown skin. Period. Chilli too old to be correcting people on the Internet about complexion
Light skinned Keisha is lighter than chilli , chilli is dark
Neither are light to me both are brownskinned
Light-skinned black women come in many shades. Have we not seen the color brown? There's nothing brown about her.
Chilli tans very just like me she is caramel for sure but tans such a pretty brown sugar color. And light skin Keisha is delusional if anything she she is a lighter shade of brown light brown not light skin. Like at the end of the day who cares we are all black.
Lol yeah I never understood light skin Keisha.
Chocolate meaning black ppl, not skin tone. Shit ain't that deep.
Still didn't apply to her, as she's a mixed woman
@@eryabolonha Visually, she presents as a black woman. I'm not aware of her racial makeup. But, it's still not that deep. 🤷🏾♀️
Sure but when you think of ppl referring to black ppl as chocolate, they’re usually talking about darkskin ppl
@@taunyb5429yeah I was surprised to learn she was mixed I thought she was like Tiffany Haddish with a black American parent and an East African parent
@latia7139 It may be regional bc I've also heard ppl refer to light skinned ppl in interracial relationships as chocolate. I think it's all encompassing bc we would have to break it down into all these variations of brown. That's over-complicating it.
I seriously thought that was Blue-Ivy 😂😂😂
I mean twin
I’m seeing more and more bey in her everyday . She’s so cute.
Yup, the photo with the braids reminds me of Blue Ivy at that NBA game when she rocked the exact same braid and had lost a tooth just like Bey in that picture lol
Omg!! That’s not Blue ivy?
She's a great mixture of her parents but she is looking more and more like her mom.
As a south African i am also confussed i mean she didnt win an African award,bet award,Mtv award like the basics and suddenly she gets a grammy it a little bit confusing
You are not a South African
@@MapEve4what
she's won a SAMA, what are you talking about? you clearly not South African if you don't know that
It’s because she is cute and pretty. There, problem solved ☺
I hate this idea of she’s jealous because she’s LightSkin I’m the same complication as Beyoncé and them kids didn’t like me because I didn’t have Jordan’s 😂 they literally told me it was because I didn’t have gear 😂😂
Well damn. Kids are mean AF lowkey
they are !@@AngeBiampandou
@@AngeBiampandouThey’re always mean bruh lmao
Lmaooo
Screaming 😂😂😂
Thank you! Kids have their own personalities! It's adults that make it about skin color and bring that topic to their attention.
As someone who’s in the middle b and consider myself very much brown I get the confusion. I’ve had dark skin people call me light skin and light skin people call me dark skin. When I started saying I’m brown skin I’ve seen dark skin girls say that were in denial and trying to distance ourselves. I’ve never got the “light skin treatment “ nor the “dark skin treatment “ the color spectrum wars are very exhausting and I’m just like f it call me what you want just know I’m black 😅
PERIOD 😂💅🏾
🤣😂🤣 that’s real
Story if my life, I don’t care I’m a brown skin girl, in the summer I get dark and winter I get light . Either way I’m African .
same, it's exhausting, lol. low-key being in between, though, feels like a safer spot when it comes to all the drama haha.
Honestly, it depends on the region you are from in America. I am from down south and Chilli is considered brown skinned in many areas In La and SC she would be called dark skinned. The thing is why stop and correct it. I have been called different colors depending on the season. I never felt the need to correct someone whatever color they called me. It screams insecurity.
Yea black folks been really embarrassing lately🤦🏽♀️
Lately ? ….Always
Every day of my life
Chileee
Geez the projection and self hate is real in this comment and thread. I pray y'all surround yourself with positive black people and stop letting social media dictate your views of reality because what's on social media is not real lol. Seek help
@@TheLovesnowangel race don’t effect you?
I don’t like that they said ppl was jealous of Beyonce because of her skin and hair smh can’t believe they came out to say that like darkskin ppl jealous ugh smh 🤦🏾♀️
I mean it was confirmed by producer Bryan Michael Cox who went to the performing arts high school with Beyoncé and Letoya Luckett were in . He was doing songs with them at the time and he talked about her being hated on by other girls for simply existing and she was always a very gorgeous, reserved and talented girl. Some ppl feel threatned and projects their insecurities to others ALL the time.
@@AngeBiampandouI was just about to say this. I am from Texas as well and I grew up in the south as well. I’m from Dallas Texas. Beyoncé is from Houston Texas being a Creole little girl growing up in the south is especially in the 80s it wasn’t that many mixed children as it is today, so I don’t like it when dark skin girls try to deny that there were other dark skin, girls who picked on light skin girls, not saying dark skin girls didn’t have it worse not saying reverse colorism is a thing because it’s not a thing but I think a lot of dark skin women are afraid of being villainized or looking bad, but Beyoncé going through jealousy and a lot of other light skin or mixed girls going through jealousy from other black girls was definitely a thing growing up especially me growing up in early 2000 so I know it was worse growing up in the 80s and 90s I just don’t like how they try to deny that I think it’s being dishonest and I think it’s fair to say that dark skin women felt this way because of systematic issues due to colorism and being made to feel like they’re less than lighter skin people due to what they’ve been programmed to believe and it can cause jealousy. I think that’s OK to say I think we talk about lighter skin girls being picked on we kinda try to avoid accountability and we have to be completely honest
@lakacialloyd9027 I’m not sure about the adult stuff but Beyoncé wasn’t a bossy kid until she got into music and was serious about her craft. People were referring to Beyoncé when she was as young as in elementary school I was shy also an elementary school but I feel like it will be dishonest to say that her being Creole also played a big part and that as well. Being considered black as a creole child, and also shy reserved and quiet, yeah that’s not going to take too well at a predominantly black school with other black girls. As a black girl went through it and I’m not even creole so I can’t imagine what it was like in the 80s on top of being creole and shy.
@@AngeBiampandou did he specify that the girls “hating on” Beyoncé were dark ? Or did you automatically make that assumption? That’s the dam problem constantly vilifying little dark skinned girls.
@@aniiyarai But did you see the pic of Beyoncé as a child? Sure she was cute, but I’m from the 80s and southern. We saw plenty of mixed kids that looked like models. Most of them were praised and the girls wanted to look like them, and it wasn’t just the dark skinned girls either. Honestly, you could be pretty and awkward or just awkward and be teased mercilessly. Just my opinion, but I think it has to do with personality. If kids/adults see that teasing bothers you, they’ll continue doing it.
I love AFRICANS! How can I not love what’s in my blood!!! It’s so damn ridiculous to think otherwise. I love Black Americans if they didn’t pave a way I wouldn’t be here and have the rights I have as a Jamaican. Can we just stop 🛑
We love you guys, too!🥰
It's nice to see a Jamaican not blame us for slavery ❤
lol
The acting was so BAD….so bad. Like I couldn’t take anything seriously. Then Mea (Kelly) acted “shocked” when she found out he does the art on the ceiling thingy for all his women 😂😂😂 Then what really made me mad is that she watched him sleep with another woman THEN went back like it was her turn!!!! I. COULD. NOT. 😂😂😂
*Agreed, I don't even want to think if my man had anyone before me and she came back like she was next in que.*
Yes that was nasty 😂 uncalled for
I love Trevante Rhodes but I couldnt understand a word he said. Just sounded like a deep voice mumbling for an hour and some change lol
This was Tyler Perry’s fantasy playing out for us as he imagine being a woman. I was thoroughly disgusted
Yep
Chili should have taken it as a compliment and kept it pushing the fact that she saw a problem with being darker is the problem😒
Totally agree. I was honestly shocked that she responded that way. She could have just said thank you and let the comments argue about her complexion- like ppl are doing now 🤣🤣
I agree 🎯
This 💯‼️💯
Oooh GOD y’all are exhausting.
@@Leno323 so keep it moving
B’s look isn’t uncommon down south, so I think her being quiet & reserved made for an easy target, rather than what she looked like.
Exactly! Black girls of all shades get targeted if they’re shy. Crazy, because when this happens to dark skin girls, it’s never viewed as “oh she was bullied because they were jealous of her skin tone”. I also hate that we act like dark skin ppl are never bullied when we talk about Lightskin people being bullied. It sounds like we all got effing bullied LMAO!
True. Her look is quite comment in LA and SC.
If you are any percentage of black around black people and introverted and quiet - you need to learn how to fight. It is just simple as that. The world is not built for introverts period. However in our communities across the diaspora, loud and bold is always praised. I am AA from down South and my best friend from college is Jamaican American from Florida. We both were accused of being everything from stuck up to slow as kids because of our being reserved. 😂
This because no offense to Beyoncé but what would those little girls be jealous of ? She looked like a regular little girl
@@KNt820First of all it was not about "looking regular". You said no offence but it was clearly shady. Bfr
@@KNt820now Beyonce is "regular"?? See this is why yall are never beating the jealous and bitter stereotype.
Tyla winning a Grammy - y’all forget this award show is a popular/politics contest. Popularity because her song was everywhere. Politics because SZA should’ve won album of the year yet they give it to Taylor. The award means a lot to artists and their label but it’s all a joke and just for show.
The grammys are rigged and racist lol. Out of the 66 AOTY winners since 1958 only of them are black and only 3 of them were black women (Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston and Lauryn Hill). It's been 25 years since a black woman has won AOTY. If Beyoncé lost 4 times to Taylor Swift, Beck, Adele then Harry Styles with culturally impactull bodies of work. SZA despite all of her success in the past year with SOS (10 weeks qt number one) and Kill Bill and Snooze being huge hits. She stood no chance against Taylor Swift who won her 4th AOTY (2010, 2016, 2021, 2024)
I heard someone say they believe Jay Z probably bribed the recording academy so Sza couldn't get it. He was up there complaining that Bey hasn't won AOTY yet and Im pretty sure he wants her to be the first one to win it since the 90s. You know the Carters love to break records!
AOTY is a tough category overall. I don’t care for Taylor and never will but that category is the best of the best bodies of work in each genre. Now IMO SZA should have won for CTRL and Beyonce should have won’t it for Lemonade. There’s definitely a lot of anti blackness in that category because you can’t convince me that there has been no other body of work since then that is comparable if not better than the Miseducation of Lauren Hill. But generally the winner of that category deserves it and depending on where you sit, you wanted your fave to win.
@@mwright0428 “Tough category” but Taylor won it 4 times easy huh. Should be a once in a lifetime award if it’s a tough category. Again politics and popularity at play because for SZA and CTRL, she was the most nominated woman of that year. 2018 right. Didn’t go home with a single award not even best new artist. Alessia Cara who won that category deserves her Grammy just for her songwriting, but it was thanks to Zedd on why she won it, they had hit song at the time. Alessia even mentioned in her acceptance speech that the show is a sham. I do agree with your theory on some anti blackness being involved in the voting process. There’s no doubt about it, it’s so obvious at this point.
@@christinem8799 your not wrong. Like I said I don’t care for Taylor swift at all and how she cleans up every award season is extremely obvious and will always be a mystery to me. But that aside- lemonade lost to Adele’s album which was a really great body of work and just because I personally don’t listen to every genre, that doesn’t always mean their stuff isn’t worth the nomination or the win. Unfortunately for black artists the odds are double stacked against us with it being a popularity and political contest. Beyoncé doesn’t ever need AOTY and I wish she would realize that and stop playing the Grammys stupid games
Porsha and Rees were desperate. Tyla had a good song. But grammy worthy uhm no sounds like the skin privileg
Tyla won because they want to make biracial women the face of the new BW. That’s why I check Claudia and AL no matter how many times they say they are black 🤷🏾♀️
Good read
They wanted a diet coke African
Al Reynolds? 🤣 that high yellow 🧚 isn’t biracial.
But when tyla said she wasn’t black people were mad asf
She's not biracial. She is a South African Coloured woman.
Mea Culpa was terrible. Why we always displaying struggle love 😬
2:20 this part! It was TERRIBLE- the plot was trash and the climax was null - truly a waste of time
Tyla performed Water live on The Tonight Show, VEVO, and The Voice + the mic was always ON.
Ok! Still not the best performance imo 🤗
Yeah, also @Bianca and Time Square. Kinda weird that she implied Tyla only performed it on tik tok when she had so many performances of it. But we move.
@@iameloho718 tyla live performance were better than the others in the category for that category it definitely made sense
I'm sorry her voice and vocal range isn't that special enough to out do the other talent in her category
@@cygnetlake8017 agree
😂😂 lol not Eloho using Perry voice! You can't trick me!! Lol 😂 🇯🇲
She likes company of money and her family 🤣 - and you know what? Me too. 😆
Ish, me too, tooo.
I love Tyla’s song but I think Ayra Starr should’ve won. I don’t feel sorry for anybody that chases money without doing the necessary background checks. I really believe that Porsha knew about his scamming ways but fell in love with the lifestyle. However, I do believe that she had a boundary and if his scamming got to a level where he would be detected and it would affect her brand she was going to bail out. 😆
I like Ayrra,so beautiful and talented
Black is beautiful, how bout that
Yes, I think that Chili is caramel as well, but she didn't have to go out of her way to say that. If somebody called me chocolate I'd take that as a compliment and keep it pushing. I will check out the movie, since you said that you enjoyed it, cause like you I was scared to watch it with the horrible reviews.
Maybe she did need to go out of her way to say it. What’s wrong with acknowledging that you’re not chocolate? . She doesn’t have to take anything as a compliment if that’s not her truth… stop forcing it on people. People don’t have to fake it…
@@AhminaIsmaelPeople don't & shouldn't fake nothing including being lighter then you are because she is not Caramel! TBoz is Caramel! Left Eye was Lightskin! And Chilli is Chocalate!!! Not Dark Chocalate but Light Chocalate! There's different versions of Chocalate you know & she one of um.
Light chocolate can be the same color as caramel. Caramel is darker than peanut butter but lighter than most chocolates. Chili is in the sun all the time so people forget she is a medium tone most of the time because she tans so fast.
@@khoney6600 She’s always been dark to me, sometimes medium brown, but usually dark. Now her hair and features might be why they want to call her light, but they’re delusional, because if she had a wide nose and kinkier hair this wouldn’t even be up for discussion 😂
@@AhminaIsmaelgiven the racial climate inside and outside of the black community- it’s wasn’t worth addressing. Chili has been called worse and had way worse rumors spread about her that she doesn’t address. IMO she could have just let the comments have it. The color spectrum argument is silly to me because everyone sees different shades differently. It’s a battle that can’t be won so don’t feed it. The media does it enough. We don’t need to do it to each other.
I’ve never corrected someone when they say I’m darker. I’m black! Black people are dark. I don’t have self hate for real! And I love loved Mea Culpa. Soooo much.
Caresha will go down with that man because something tells me she may be too scared to leave.
I could listen to your opinions all day girl! So well spoken
I was rooting for tyla and I’m glad she won but i kinda agree with what you’re saying . Like if someone else won I wouldn’t have thought she got robbed of the award but it’s nice that’s she won
The diaspora war is idiotic like we all can EAT AND LOVE TOGTHER. Weird asf fr.
The fact that Chili calling herself caramel whether you agree or not is a topic let's me know that we are bored as fuck in the world 😅
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The category is supposed to "recognize recordings that utilize unique local expressions from across the African continent, highlighting regional melodic, harmonic and rhythmic musical traditions." Which is clear so I'm having trouble understanding where the confusion lies. Maybe the word performance is throwing you off, however Tyla very much deserved that award.
This!!
You are correct. People have a hard time swallowing it because she just came on the scene compared to others nominated in the category
Black coffee once talked about how african Americans rejected beats from him because they weren’t african enough. If you dare have your own race or cultural definitions this specific demographic will suddenly get off the problack bandwagon and slight Tyla instead of uplifting darker artists.
Sure. Watching someone who JUST got on the scene surpass you with one song is INSANE. Meanwhile there are SEVERAL other artists with catalogues and great performances that didn’t win. It’s just very odd to me🤨
@@TckleBxx well that's too bad, just because she's a new artist why should her art be penalized for that fact? As per the category as well as sonically Tyla deserved that award. The award was not based on catalogue either is a better artist than all those artists? No, Did water have a bigger impact and is it overall the better song as per the category description, Yes.
I would hear your argument had the category be defined as something along the lines of "Best African Act" but that's not what it is so my point still stands
I love Tyla , but she shouldn’t have gotten a Grammy so soon. Miley Cyrus won her first Grammy this year and her catalog spans over a decade and multiple different genres. Tyla hasn’t even released her debut album yet. This is why people have stopped taking the Grammy and other awards show seriously because they give awards to people who have been in the spotlight for relatively short periodsof time, whereas there are veterans in the industry that haven’t gotten those awards.
Mea Culpa: 4 out of 10
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😂LOL
No wife is gonna sit at the end of the table and leave her husband to sit beside a woman his mom is pushing on him, it’s not realistic.
When I hear chocolate I interpret it as a brown skinned girl, which Chilli is and in the context it was used it makes sense. So the need for chilli to clarify is giving a little piece of anti blackness. Cringy😬
As a Gen X black American, that comment was not from one of us re: braids. We know where it comes from, we may have out our own spin but yeah we wouldn’t try to claim that. Also, if you look at how much we paid homage and celebrated all of us throughout the diaspora in the 90s and earlier I really do believe it’s another group causing division. I wish it would stop.
I feel that skin tone is relative to where you live. I live in the Midwest and Chili would be considered dark caramel (brown skinned) here. However, I lived on the West Coast most of my life and Chili would have been considered chocolate (dark skinned) there. She's a beautiful woman either way!!!❤
I'm from the west coast (California to be specific) and Chili in no way shape or form would be considered dark skinned lol. She may be considered brown or caramel when she tans and then in the winter definitely would damn near be called a light skin. I'm dark skin myself and shes nowhere near my shade
@@jailynjackson7867 I'm from the midwest and consider her to be dark skinned. she's not chocolate but she is not what we consider to be Carmel when speaking about skin tones. She is very dark with a different undertone. Indians can also be very dark and not chocolate because they have a different undertone. Chili is DARK. In India she would be considered dark skinned. She is Dark skinned in my opinion, just not chocolate.
Exactly! I’d be considered dark skinned, chili is caramel to me
Chili is dark
yeah i’m from the west coast and i always seen her as dark skin
Tyla went on tour with Chris Brown and her performances were all over social media. The other artists are good but last year Tya did her big one. Hence the Grammy, check the numbers for her song too. It makes sense for that category. She has other music too that’s been doing good before water.
The Grammys isnt based off numbers or virality though. They judge the music based off the content alone: the lyrics, production, engineering, and originality. Thats why it weird that she won cuz its a very generic song and the lyrics are pretty basic.
@@jujubee6030that part!
@@jujubee6030 “A track and singles Category that recognizes recordings that utilize unique local expressions from across the African continent.” That’s the Grammy’s description of what’s needed to win that category. Tyla incorporated Amapiano and Barcardi into one song and it caught fire. If that isn’t originality then idk 🤷 Now Barcardi has an international audience. Thats worth a Grammy.
@@jujubee6030thank you. Folks forget this. The Grammys is supposed to be about the quality of the song. Not how well it did on the charts… we know how it goes…
I think Mnike should have won cause she mashed up the two songs to perform a lot of the time…I feel like it was more of a hit if we basing Tyla win on one hit
Tyla has a Grammy the same reason Blue Ivy has one; they know people! Chili is dark caramel &T Boz & Left Eye are light caramel. Just like they have light chocolate & dark chocolate. We come in all shades, flavors, & complexions. That’s why our melanin poppin! Yes, amen Culpa was good! There where a few Now, Tyler! Why did you put that in there 🫢. I take it as he became over excited& said let me just add this! lol!
I agree with the chilli and beyonce statments. Chilli caramel but she aint have to push the fact and ppl are so fake about beyonce. When she was in destiny child what was majority of ppl saying???? I dont like Beyonce. Every damn body said it. Now its dark skin girls? please. Now as far as my experience, light skin girls have been the bullies. Some think they automatically should be in the spotlight and will get extremely jealous if someone not as light gets attention. Just my experience 🤷🏾
That has been my experience too! It was often as a kid and even now as an adult. It's sooooo noticeable. In 4th grade I had my first black teacher, a lighskinned lady from up north. She was sooo mean to me. She even lied about a letter that was written by someone in a different class saying I wrote it. My mom looked at the letter and took me out of that school immediately. My bestie was lightskinned and the teacher hated that.
Tyla give them chest pains baby you're a star!!! South africa is proud of you!!! O ska ba hemisa!!!!! Di pelo dia baba!!!.......❤❤❤❤❤
Dia baba for what? She is overrated and is hyped only because she looks the way she does. The Grammy was premature. She still needs to prove herself.
@@67y3j3fv2wg the mere fact that you responded it means you heart is paining. She doesnt need to prove anything to anyone, if you dont like her and her music honey thats fine......your just a drop in the ocean......now rest!!!
@@limpopoRiver I responded because in case you haven't noticed, this section is reserved for comments . The audacity of the weak attempt at gaslighting people not to respond to your comment bathong! Then don't leave a comment then if you don't want a response. Back to the topic.....she needs to prove herself, unless things have changed and the Grammys now just give away honorary Grammys lmao
@@67y3j3fv2wg chest pains pelo ya baba
there's a whole channel on UA-cam called exoticals where the women literally argue and say that Carmel is light skinned lmao. they use a foundation test to determine who is light according to them. Anybody who does not call them light skinned they say is jealous and trying to humble them. They also call unambiguous black women the undesirables 🤣
I saw that page and blocked it because what?!
1. I agree...Reesa Teesa and the other woman are two sides of the same coin
2. I was today years old when I learned the Mea-Culpa existed and starred Kelly Rowland
3. Cornrows are American...that doesn't mean that style didn't exist in Africa before then. Smart people see the troll account for what it is.
4. Since when is best african performance a category at the grammy's? Who still watches the grammy's? NEXT
5. Don't care about the City Girls
6. LMAO...Chili is has always been dark skin to me.
“Don’t care about the City Girls.”
😂 I love that part.
Mea culpa was a hot a$$ mess lol
A hot stanky mess 😂😂 like frfr ppl who think it’s good be having me sooo confused like did I watch the same movie? Is there a prequel that I missed?
Thank you!! I'm like, when did Chilli stop being caramel!? She's a darker shade of caramel, but caramel nonetheless
Yes
She a lighter shade of Chocolate if anything! It's not the curse y'all act like it is
@@khoney6600na she definitely has an undertone that gives caramel
She’s not caramel at all …..
I am literally the exact same shade as caramel and people still have called me chocolate. If you're not light skin you are chocolate in their eyes 😂
chili is a light skin caramel woman and that's why they mad.
Tyla is a great performer tho. She be tearing the stage up. I think she deserved the Grammy personally.
She’s ok. The song was popular globally… more than others mentioned. I don’t see a MJ or Beyoncé. Just a good song that is catchy. Normani can sing this and that’s not saying a lot.
Her NYE performance was 🔥🔥🔥! I LOVE the SA dances that she incorporates into all of her performances!
I agree and if she wasn’t as pretty a lot ppl wouldn’t hate. It’s very weird.
@@truthspeaker1508 you might not see a Michael or Beyoncé level but not all legends are that type of performer. Look at Rihanna….people doubted her and said she couldn’t sing but she has became an icon in her own right. Tyla gives me that vibe. A beautiful fashion forward foreign girl with the perfect combination of innocence and edge. Don’t doubt Normani neither. She can easily surprise us too.
Tyla deserved it, we can talk about colourism and pretty privilege and those are factors but so is work ethic charisma and popularity, this young lady can dance very well, has excellent stage presence, is very confident and has been working for years she’s brand new to the states but she’s not brand new to Africans, water isn’t her first song, Butterflies, On and On, truth or dare she’s an excellent singer & lastly she can’t control the fact that her looks add to her popularity, the people choose who they make popular & they chose to put her above artists in her genre, that might be unfair but it doesn’t mean she didn’t work just as hard
I disagree and that’s ok!
@@iameloho718ofcourse it’s ok, just sharing my opinion ❤
So what about darker skinned women that has the charisma, talent and vocals that will never get recognized like for example Bree runway, doechii, and Justine Skye.
@@kordeination6385 I don't think that means we should necessarily discredit a talented woman who just happens to be light skinned. Although, I do kinda agree with your point. Rewarding Tyla for the sake that she is pretty and has a lighter complexion is not only insulting to many talented dark skinned woman but, Tyla as well.
@@iameloho718y’all be so jealous of mixed girls success it’s getting weird! Ofc you disagreed
Love the Chilli commentary. Makes lots of sense and yes, all brown shades are beautiful! 😄💖 And Chilli can DANCE! 💃🏽
It is not lost on me that the first African female artist being given this level of exposure (I'm talking even now Korean artists know her by name) is one who has mixed ethnicity. I'm not denying her South African identity at all but for all the black successful artists that I've seen come out of the African continent, none has been more universally accepted and praised by the Western music industry.
It really shouldn't be surprising and I'm tired of people getting defensive and saying that "Americans" are so focused on race. Just say bl k people since I know that's what y'all are itching to say. Since she is now also working in America, she is now operating in the racial and ethnic structures of America. I can't speak for South Africa or any other country. But yes, her race and ethnicity do matter here.
It burns me up when foreigners say “Americans are so obsessed with race” when they’re ignorant to our history or even more so when they’re not. Almost everything is racialized here, and that does not exclude music.
Furthermore, unlike South Africa and Brazil we have a strict race binary that just now in a recent decade acknowledge multiracial and biracial identities.
@@suni3368 Speak on it!! Race is incredibly dependent on location and the one drop rule really has an effect on how America categorizes race, unlike other countries. You cannot say "America is obsessed with race" in one breath while simultaneously making fun of us for being "ignorant about other countries' histories" in another.
Yes to all of this
Non black is the new black. We see the agenda.
Chili is in denial and it’s super cringe bc like it’s bad to be called chocolate.
exactly!
Exactly when she’s darker than me on her lightest day and I don’t mind being called chocolate or caramel. 🤦🏾♀️ It giving colorist
I am am introvert and being around certain people or a lot of people drains me.
I was lokey shocked by Chilli
But I remember the generation we come from there are tones of colorist/colorism behaviors
But I tell you who will remind them no matter your tone
You Black
Muah💋
Whyte People 😂😂😂
I never saw her as Carmel, clearly she’s not the darkest but she’s never presented as light skin to me. So when she corrected that person I was a little shocked at how she sees herself. 😮💨
@@VirgosGroove3 ikr… That was weird, because growing up listening to TLC, I always saw her as being the chocolate girl. Lefteye was the lightest and Tboz was caramel/medium brown
I said the same thing. She went out of her way to not associate with chocolate for what. She’s always been dark skinned and beautiful.
I think people are missing the point, noone is saying that Chilli ISNT caramel we just mean that her having to correct when saying someone is chocolate is a blanket statement is dramatic to correct in my opinion.
Its not about the color, its about the implications of the **correction**
I completely agree with u!
I agree with what YOU said take it as a compliment and move on. But people were in fact saying she’s chocolate and she’s not caramel and that the other members of TLC were caramel
@@iameloho718 true, also i love you boo 😘
@@cr0wbslove you too baby 🩷💕
If you go through her ig pics she always make a point to write she has a tan in her caption, I always thought it was weird.
@@tiffyq7794Yup, she's very color struck like a lot of black GenXers ane she was the darker one in TLC too. Left Eye (R.I.P) and T-Boyz were/are light skinned
I think the Grammy’s is defining Performance by how the song performed in the masses and/or how well the artist performed on the record. Nonetheless, everyone nominated was rightly nominated and anybody could have won and it would have been valid. Amazing category.
That’s not true because if that’s the case normani should’ve been nominated before and won one.
@@kordeination6385 I think they mean how the song performed in comparison to their peers nominated in the same category, for best African performance Tyla’s song water went international in 2023 in comparison to the fellow nominees for that year, any time Normani has put out music even good music her songs haven’t outperformed the songs of her peers in the same category, there are less African artists in the mainstream which makes it easier for someone new to win when there isn’t as much competition
I agree.
@@kordeination6385Wtf does it have to do with Normani. She doesn't have a hit bigger than Water yet. Tyla was performing everywhere. Normani released and then dipped after Motivation besides the Vma performance and same with Wilside. Water went top 10 and was pushed by a Tiktok challenge and the performances at the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, The Voice, BBC UK...
I think this conversation hits different if you're an African. We Africans rocked with afro beats and now amapiano. We've been supporting these folks before it was even cool.
In her own genre of Amapiano, there are far better performers, Kamo Mphela, DJ Maphorisa, Tyler ICU, and others. Her one song holds no candle to these performers.
If it's an Afro beat genre, they beat her hands down. Burna Boy and Davido sell out concerts here, so, she's hardly comparable to them. That's why I don't think she deserved that Grammy. There were far better performers
I know the Exoticals United tripped on the way to this video.
I think tyla or ayra or asake should have gotten that Grammy. But I’m happy tyla won for women artist in afrobeats
Hey dear just to correct you
Tyla is south african and her song is amapiano
Nigerians are the owners of afrobeat while south africa amapiano
Hope you don't feel offended
@@MaryjaneMalu Thanks for letting me know I'm Nigerian. I meant in the African music sphere.
I agree
My heart broke for Burna boy😭he deserved it
First of all, Beyoncé a virgo like myself. We don’t talk to ppl. Lmaoo 😅
LFMAOOOOOOOOO
Yea look at Michael Jackson.
I agree Mea Culpa isn’t as bad as people say. I’m currently watching it and I’m loving it
What did you love about it? The sex scenes and attraction baiting was unnatural and the plot /character development was sloppy
I really couldn’t find Beyoncé in that school photo. 😂😂😂 I had to search.
YOU CAN CRY ALL YOU WANT SHE WON THE GRAMMY AND 2 BET AWARDS
When it comes to Chili, I don’t let myself get caught up in all of that. Let her believe what she wants to believe about herself. It doesn’t take away from my dark skinned beauty if someone doesn’t claim theirs.
I’m also tired of the conversation that somehow darker skinned women are jealous of lighter skinned women. It’s literally just not factual. You can’t put all of us in the same group. Almost everyone of my family is lighter than me and we all get along, colorism wasn’t an issue, I literally felt like the favorite and I had a lot of love for myself because a lot of love was poured into me. I’m grateful for that. Let’s just start loving black children and pouring love into them because the world is already going to try to tear them down anyway. Sometimes kids aren’t even jealous and don’t even know what that feeling is. I don’t believe I ever grew up wanting to be lighter like my cousin. I might’ve noticed a difference in how I was treated by people outside of our family, but it never made me feel any sort of hate or jealousy towards my cousin. She’s my best friend. And that’s not on some pick me ish because I know there are people who deal with it and I feel really bad for young, dark skinned women who do deal with colorism who do deal with comparison who do deal with being torn down for something that they can’t control. It’s not right. I definitely sympathize with it even if it wasn’t necessarily my personal reality. I see it and I hate it and I also call it out with my Latino friends or Asian friends when they make comments about each other being dark or light. It’s just an insidious thing and literally from the pits of hell. Why is skin tone so important on either spectrum? It’s so annoying and just needs to stop.
Unpopular opinion Beyonce benefit from colorism. I truly believe that she has some colorist beliefs!!!
Definitely benefited but there’s no proof of her holding those beliefs. It would really suck if she did. Your opinion though.
You're PROJECTING beloved
FYI, a person can benefit from colorism, and NOT be a colorist themself, so let’s not be disingenuous or create false narratives.
yes she benefitted but her daughters have been on the receiving end of colorist and hate comments. I think her daughters gave her a rude rude awakening
Baby fever Eloho! Awww. A former coworker of mine had her 1st child yesterday. A new leap day baby boy. 😍😄
Now this is a TRUE Unpopular Opinions video 😂 I disagree with everything
Confused about the hair debate, Africans were shipped out of Africa to the U.S. and took their hairstyles with them, and all of a sudden the hairstyle originated in the U.S.
Also when you raise your kids believing that they’re the prettiest & everyone is jealous of them coz of their looks, imagine how they turn out as adults.
A global superstar? Ok. No problem there.
Thank you for sharing Eloho!!! 🫶🏽
I don't think Lighskin Keisha is Lightskin. When I think of them, I think Coi Leray lmao
Coi is of Puerto Rican and black American, meaning she’s mixed. A light skin black woman would be Chloe and Halle Bailey.
@@sagittariusbeautyCoi is light skinned bfr. And Puerto Rican is NOT a race. There is such thing as a black Puerto Rican cough cough Joseline Hernandez, Joan Smalls, Carmelo Anthony, Tego Calderon..... There are different shades of light skinned too. Beyoncé and Solange, Chloe and Halle, Left Eye and T-Boyz, Tischa Campbell Martin...
@@AngeBiampandouBFFR, we’re talking about Black American not biracial/mixed. Stop adding biracials/mixed people, like Coi, to the pile. Coi is a light skin biracial person, do not include her when we’re talking about people with 2 *BLACK* parents. Like I Said, Chloe and Halle are examples of light brown skin black women.
@@sagittariusbeauty Chloe and Halle are light skinned not light brown
@@sagittariusbeautysay it with ya chest girl. I can tell you’re from the hood the way you’re ready to buck at the truth.
I believe Tyla deserved it because the award was best African PERFORMANCE Award. Her performances is top tier
I’m sorry that water twerk was cute but doesn’t compare to others in the category
@@iameloho718 it's not a twerk though. It's a dance from South Africa called Bacardi. The others in the category were good but their songs didn't go as viral or global as Tyla's did. Kinda weird that you say that the way that you did.
@@iameloho718 not water twerk! 😅😅😅😅😅
@@thetom5522so it’s a viral song competition or performance? She didn’t out perform the other sorry
@@thetom5522you just don’t agree honey it’s ok she won!
*Finally somebody said it! I liked Mea Culpa! Lol*
People will be against anything Tyler Perry. People said Acrimony was terrible and I actually enjoyed it 😂
@cece5464 Literally for no other reason than because it's Tyler Perry. And Acrimony is still talked about to this day. I liked that one too!
Nah, people have valid reasons to dislike it. Its cool if you like it, but writing off other opinions as just hate is wack and makes it seem like you just like it because it IS TP.
@elijahishere Well clearly hate wouldn't be the reason everyone dislikes his movies. You sound offended lol.
@@elijahishereI agree! I love a little hoodlum movie - I enjoy dramas and thriller irrespective of the director- Mea Culpa was a cringey and the plot /character dev was poor - I was expecting more bc my girly Kelly R. was in it
The movie was aight lol if you watched every Tyler Perry movie you can see similarities in every plot, which makes every movie he makes predictable. It was giving Temptation, Fall From Grace and Acrimony all in one lmao
I got a lil Get Out in the end chile
The ending was giving a lil “Get Out” 😂
I love Tyla but I think there definitely is a color component happening with her career but what else is new.
Ok so we see Beyoncé’s childhood school picture with 1988-1989 on it, so are we putting the “She’s lying about her age” rumors to rest or nah? Cuz if she’s the little woman from Orphan, let a sister know 😂
The only reason people think she lied about her age is because Matthew did an interview saying she was the same age as Pink.
lol 😂 So Matthew being the average dad who forgets the age of his children is what caused this. Funny thing for me is that both my parents never forget my age and love to throw it in my face when they feel like I’m being immature or need to get married. 😭
@@jujubee6030 I mean Pink is 44, and Beyoncé is 42… Not really an age gap to distinguish the 2. Same generation so he wasn’t completely off.
@@JamieBleu 😂
@@IAMCHANNELLAcould it be that Maybe, just Maybe Matthew thought P!nk was in fact 2 years younger? 🤔. Just playing Devils Advocate here.
Love it! Mea Culpa review please. I liked the movie too
That video at 10:40, I’m just seeing Blue side profile
Baby if Chilli is caramel, then I'm a rich white lady.
To me Beyonce is caramel (before she got that platinum hair). I don’t see Chili as a golden light brown. She’s still beautiful either way
@@VirgosGroove3How is Beyoncé caramel ? Bfr. Beyoncé is ONLY caramel when she tans. Was she caramel in the Halo music video ? Obssessed with Idris Elba ? No no no part I and II ? Not at all. She's a yellow lady and that is okay. Even Tyra was telling her how was her skin so close to her skin tone during one of their interviews bc she was usually much lighter and she talked about her make-up artist putting bronzer on her. There are pictures from the early 2000s showing that. She wore a pink top on it. Gorgeous woman regardless
If you don’t look up a picture of CARAMEL. 😂😂 chili is the same tone be fr.
@@AngeBiampandou no they definitely made Beyoncé x5 lighter in the halo video. They even made Michael Ealy lighter. She’s light skinned but that video she looked white and that was very much done on purpose
@@Siennahillz she’s not at all
You low key been feeding us with the videos. Yes give us more! I’m here for it!
Tyla did not deserve that Grammy
One reason not to take this grammy thing seriously😂😂..all political with an agenda
Talk about pretty privilege 😢
I personally find tyla overrated and the WATER song is annoying and I hate it
Yeah girl Tyla is beautiful and talented but she is a industry plant. This is a set up from the biggest black female ANR in music, Sylvia Rowen. Plan is to create a new Rihanna. Tyla was face front at the MET gala and other HUGE notable events etc. almost two years in a row before we even knew who she was or heard her first song. She's been set up to win so it's not surprise everything is coming automatic for her. It's a little strange and cheap. But she is such a cute little thing so I guess it's cool
Facts
Tyla doesn't identify as BLACK. She's a coloured South African which most of us NON SA have struggle to grasp as a racial category
Was it good or was it not bad? 👀
Lml it wasn’t bad at alllll
I loved Kelly , hated the ending. Tyla didn’t need a Grammy, but it’s always a certain demographic selecting who wins- the song was basic and overplayed. JT was always the more talented one. Chili was weird asf for her caramel comment instead of saying thank you
Chili has always been strange about her looks. I remember when Jermaine Dupri’s daughter posted a pic and lot of people pointed out that she looks like Chili and miss thing went under the girls post and let her know “you cute and all but YOU DO NOT LOOK LIKE ME”…. Wtf is that? 😳 The girl does favor her… she’s just SLIGHTLY darker.
The only song I know from Tyla is literally water. I didn’t like mea culpa after I couldn’t follow the plot & it didn’t make much sense.