@@EMan-xj5cz I've heard so many people say "Oohooh sCrewDrIver BaD beCaUse iT cAnT Do ThE THiNgs the OTHeR raiLCannOns can OOoohh EleCtRIC RaILCanNON betTER!!1111!" Without realizing that the screwdriver is very useful in fighting hard bosses and the electric railcannon is a glorified piece of shit without coins, the screwdriver, meanwhile, doesn't even INTERACT with coins, meaning you can deal a shit-ton of damage AND get healed, plus even the piercer charged shot outdamages the electric railcannon, but otherwise all the weapons are good tbh, don't get why we need a tierlist for them, all the railcannons fill a niche really REALLY well, I honestly don't think any weapon in ULTRAKILL was designed poorly
@@thatguystar817 not to even mention the stuff you can do with it in cybergrind with it taking down pretty much every single high health enemy with one screw
@@thatguystar817 I agree that tierlists are kind of redundant for Ultrakill since there's not necessarily a "Meta" like its a multiplayer game, it's just moreso that some weapons can do things better than others, but you can still tailor your arsenal to your own liking. I think the reason that Screwdriver is dogged on more because with it being a railcannon it can sometimes fall flat compared to other weapons. The railcannons are all superweapons with incredibly high cooldowns, so what their effects do as a weapon has to make up for that wait time. For the most part, I think the other railcannons make up for this. The electric railcannon has a lot of versatility in its usage, as you can instantly kill most enemies either with just the single shot or with coin adding, as well as it comboing for shocks as well for some crowd control. The malicious railcannon also has a lot of useful parts to it, as it can combine with cores for insane AoE killing capabilities in an instant as well as its other explosive interactions being very useful. In contrast, the usage that the screwdriver has ends up being kind of niche to these ones. The main appeal of this weapon initially was that it has a higher radius for you to heal off of, which while it can be useful at times, its usually negligible of a use compared to everything else. The other main use of it is screw punching, which while in itself is pretty good for dealing high burst damage to multiple boss enemies put together, it usually takes some more time to use compared to the other ones which have their usages come out much faster in comparison. I don't think the screwdriver is bad, it definitely has its uses as a weapon (hell, I've seen it used quite a bit in some brutal cybergrind playthroughs that go up to wave 100), but when you compare its values to the other railcannons it ends up feeling lower down due to its contrast of niche uses from the versatile uses of the other two. I think maybe if they added some more buffs to the screwdriver (maybe something like it being able to go off magnets to implant itself in an enemy easier to incentivize screw punching more), it would definitely be seen in a better light, but I think it's fine as a weapon.
@@broccolite8297 i would say malicious cannon should be in irreplaceable because nuking does a lot of damage and has great crowd control (you can nuke a couple different stuff)
@@rasinroleroblox5600 Yeah, it's just that conduction can do the same thing. That's why they're neck and neck for me. One has greater residual damage but takes longer, the other costs a railcannon but is more instant.
@@Not_Nik0 I know, but original marksman is still better. Slab coins can't be divided into 2 ricochets, which is very convenient when you need to finish a few last enemies.
@@danielch-r1g I personally believe 5 damage is more impactful than 4 damage. If you’re using coins to kill fodder in the heat of battle (excluding when you’re picking off the last couple enemies in a cybergrind wave) I’d argue you’re using it wrong. Because the slab marksman is two hitscans (three if you splitcoin), the damage multiplier is applied to each individual hitscan, which is more damage to your single target. I value 5 over two 4s any day when my method for clearing fodder is conduction, sawblades and oil. Plus, it makes coin-punching better.
Also the main reason people use the conductor nailgun for extra damage, the quicker charge of the conductor sawlauncher can be kind of a bad thing if you're trying to get a really good +CONDUCTOR setup, which can easily clear half of an entire cyber grind wave, sometimes even the entire wave. The overheat nailgun fits well into this niche too, but it takes charges and a standard sawblade launch to charge it (using three weapons for a single combo is too much for my little brain, and the conductor nailgun does it all for me).
There's a trick you can do with the overheat nailgun. If you spend a heatsink and swap to the next weapon, no matter how much heatsink you dealt, firing with the attracter once again will replenish the first heatsink you spent. Then when you use the Overheat again, it'll automatically begin spilling the same heatsink you replenished. I pull it off a couple times in my NEURON ACTIVATOR video. You should see it!
You forgot the best part about the alt marksman! the primary fire is insane as a quick switch weapon to kill fodder or rack up damage on big enemies with pistol swapping, aside from that im happy your giving it more attention
@@Turkwithknife I'd rather get a sweet lineup with an electric railcannon two kill several virtues in one instance. Or use maurices as blood bags for parry healing until they're grouped up to kill all of them at once with a jackhammer strike.
I really wish Hakita would either nerf projectile-boosting the shotgun or buff the core eject, as it is just completely outclassed by projectile-boosting in every scenario. I think core ejects are just such an interesting way of dealing damage, with nothing else in the game really matching the appeal of a gravity-affected bomb. Pistoling the core-eject is cool, but even that is outclassed by whiplash + rocket in a lot of cases.
I'm glad you agree. A lot of people castrate me for having the opinions I do on the core eject shotgun. Honestly, I'd just increase the radius of the explosion and make it red. A 3.5 damage red explosion with a slightly bigger radius (somewhat close to the size of a cannonball's explosion after being shot) sounds like something I'd actually consider using. Who doesn't like bigger booms?
@@broccolite8297 Red explosions are already so common, I'd worry about having them be even more common (especially for the first explosion weapon the player ever encounters). I also fear that that change could remove a huge purpose of shooting the core with the pistol, which is really awesome tech. I personally would like a really high damage amount in a small area, because that's just something I think would be really interesting to interact with. A 6 damage explosion with it's current radius would keep it really nicely balanced I think.
@@FutureThrone795 But then you have to think how much damage you're doing when the core is shot. Malicious suddenly becomes insane and core sniping deals up to 12 damage (assuming we're carrying over the current math: 3.5 -> 7 damage). Maybe don't make it red, but a bigger radius and maybe 5 damage like a cannonball could be good. Gives New Blood a reason to change the SRS in a new a dynamic way as well.
@@broccolite8297 Well it's a big assumption that the current damage scaling of the game would transfer over proportionally to my suggestion, lol. Core nukes are already in a good place even with this suggested change, and core sniping could get a small buff of 8 total damage, red explosion, and a slightly larger explosion. I already think the SRS is pretty dynamic in a lot of ways, but how would you go about changing it? What does the cannonball *not* do that should be different?
@@FutureThrone795 The SRS can just be grabbed and hit into enemies, and can potentially be shot to blow up. It's not really dynamic aside from that. At least when compared to other weapons. Sharpshooter can shoot projectiles for 7 damage, blast away other projectiles, bounce down linear hallways for optimal damage against multiple targets, be comboed with coins to create an ultraricoshot chain. All with just one click of the secondary. I'd like to see the SRS have some synergy with a new weapon. Maybe it conducts electricity? It's able to last a long time in the arena. Could be worth it the same way freezeframe rockets are worth it. Maybe it can carry status effects like a tumbling snowball that gains burning, electric or explosive properties when launched through burning enemies/oil, conduction tricks/nails/sawblades, or a big explosion. Burning applies burning like normal, electricity always has a minimum of 2 aftershock damage and explosions are explosions. It would make using the cannonball twice feel a lot more potent as you stack each unique effect and dish it out two separate times.
I'll be honest. I use the screwdriver sometimes despite where I put it. But with all of that in consideration, the weapons in the higher tiers are really good at avoiding taking damage and being in situations where you'd need to burn your railcannon. Not a bad weapon, just niche!
I used to sleep on jackhammer until I realized it can instakill a bunch of targets like maurice, virtue and sentry, saving ball and rail for something else.
Also ALSO I wish there was some kind of overpowered combo with the screwdriver railcannon. The electric and the malicious each have their own really good synergies and niches which they fit into, but the screwdriver railcannon is only good if you need blood or can repeatedly +CORKSCREW BLOW two or more tanky enemies (BTW this is a really fun way to fight the cerberi in 0-5 and the insurrectionists in 6-1). These two situations very rarely get used in the cybergrind, though perhaps the latter has some untapped potential on future enemies that are both tanky and slow. I'd like to see an interaction between the knuckleblaster and a screwed enemy, maybe giving a ton of knockback to heavy enemies that couldn't be traditionally given knockback (for example, instantly killing a guttertank by screwdriving it and hitting it off the stage).
These are very cool ideas. The way I've always seen it, each railcannon interacts directly with one other weapon in the game. Electric with coins, Malicious with cores, and the Screwdriver with the Feedbacker. All cool things, but the previous railcannons have secondary interactions as well. Electric with nails, Malicious with coins, and the Screwdriver with... what else? Lots can be done to make it better and I love your idea of the screwdriver destabilizing a heavy enemy's movement to the point where they can be knocked around with explosives or the knuckleblaster.
I am a sawed on enthusiast, I personally think the chainsaw is one of the best tools in the entire game if you can consistently parry and juggle it, it deals so much free damage and the healing is just insane. I personally prefer the shotgun variant cus I just love to shoot just after I finish healing and send the saw out along with it and just juggle my yoyo of death
@@broccolite8297 That is a valid point, but I end up dashing to delay or shorten how long the projectiles take to reach me so I can parry the projectiles and the saw at the same. Is it stupid, unnecessarily hard and an overall pointless skill to have? Yes, but my god it is satisfying to pull off
@@Symmetry_Obsessed_Freak You're right that chainsaw yoyos are very rewarding. It's definitely a different play-style than I'm used to. I prefer using knuckleblaster on chainsaws after getting the yoyo value before shooting a magnet at another enemy for chainsawblade value. One could argue that using a knuckleblaster is also a big arm commitment. Either way, I prefer the sawed-on Jackhammer to the shotgun. One reason is because if you flick your mouse straight down after a yellow/red gauge hit, you can launch yourself directly upwards to initiate the magnetic chainsawblade airstrike from anywhere to any place on the map. Fun stuff!
@@broccolite8297 Indeed, to each their own. The game is all about personality via your own unique play style. I’m glad I can have a discussion with someone who doesn’t 100% agree with me on this. I just might have to try your way of playing and see if I like it
@@Symmetry_Obsessed_Freak Every day I get the desire to give shotguns one last try. And every day I'm not convinced to use them. But you've given me that burst of motivation to try it out once more.
Havent finished but the Core Eject Shotgun can get free nukes for your jackhammer with the 1st Variation bind, since it has no cooldown on the alt fire That alongside core snipes and nukes from a safe distance is very valuable And i feel shotgun swapping and pro boosts are very valuable tools you may be underestimating a bit I just think overall both the shotguns and jackhammers are equally as good and viable Also, i think you're underestimating the Screwdriver, it does 15 damage with the parry and it can theoretically go up to the end of the wave, i'd argue its better than just the raw Mal rail which is completely reliant on nukes for being truly worth the charge since its not even a red, and does less damage than the overpump. Since the alt core came out i genuinely dont see the point in using it outside of nukes
Using the core eject shotgun for jackhammer hits just limits the jackhammer's potential. Check out my video where I demonstrate extremely efficient ways of dealing insane damage with the core eject jackhammer. Pro-boosting can hardly match consistent patterns of jackhammer swapping, which can deal a consistent 9.5 damage with pump charge jack, 13 damage with a core eject jack, and ~10.5 to each their own SINGLE enemy (not to mention your fist is available, so slap on melee parries and knuckleblast punches for extra damage). Each jackhammer is capable of dealing group damage, and unlike pro-boosting, allows you to heal in the heat of hit-and-run melee combat like bread on butter. Jackhammers, in their nature, play into all of your strengths: Moving fast -> taking less damage, as well as freeing up your feedbacker slot to allow for more consistent stamina and health refills via parries. I'm willing to accept that I may be underestimating the screwdriver, but my only condition for it staying where it is will be the fact that it gets the best value while you are at low health. In practice, you should be more focused on higher damage combos like railcoins, slarpcoins, slabcoins, jackhammer swapping, conduction chains, rocket riding, etc. All of these strategies either heal you and/or allow you to avoid significant damage. Meaning, in my opinion, the screwdriver is too specialized.
@@broccolite8297 I can understand that but i think its similar to coins in the way the core is where you get most of the value from the weapon. And i think that if you really do practice and get good at quickly swapping the CE shotgun with the 1st variant bind to hammer them and nuke (if you want a demo of that, its on DrFeelGood's advanced coin mechanics 2 video's outro) you could get potential huge pay off (also i did watch your vid its great lol. Been practicing the yellow hit + core. And i can see how the CE jackhammer might be a better option in a lot of scenarios, but i see it more as a sidegrade while both are very viable) Pro boosts are by far not the strongest option you have for explosive damage, but the sheer quick burst you get from it is very valuable to throw out while switching between your weapons. Its also very reliable against Guttermen since they can snipe your cores and rockets, and since they're very prominent on the cg, having a good way to surely hit them from a far as you approach them is appreciated. The jackhammer does do more dmg but you do have to commit way more to it compared to doing a quick round of p boosts + rockets at tankier enemies. And shooting a chainsaw then switching to your pump shotgun allows you to p boost and parry the chainsaw back due to the faster reload of the pump (alternatively you can switch between the shotguns), and thats some of the highest dps you can get. While it does tax your arm exhaustion, its a great alternative to railcoining at the ledge if your rail is on cooldown. And while pboosts cant heal you, shotgun swapping can, and even just 2 shots with the m1 can heal you by a lot when you need health, i believe more than the jackhammer's hits? But im unsure of that. I do agree the jackhammer's hit and running is amazing and it plays into movement very very well, but i dont believe the shotgun cant match its strenghts to at least a pretty good extent While the screwdriver is undeniably somewhat niche due to the healing focus, i think that theres still a lot of value on using it offensively. You can still do alot of those things while a screwdriver is on the field, you can put it on a maurice, a cerb, swordsmachine, even a mindflayer since it prevents them from teleporting, kill some other threats quickly, then go back to punch it into another target, and you can keep that cycle until your railcannon is already recharged. All that while you also get a lot of safety and letting you take more risks, due to the blood if you play around where your target is. Maybe its not as "optimal" as other options but its undeniable very fun and stylish.
@@Net_15 I believe the shotgun is severely overshadowed by the nailguns and sawblades. Conduction is the supreme crowd controller at the end of the day, and it completely trivializes the need for explosions through p-boosting. 3.5 damage is only good in a context where you're hitting more than one enemy, preferably upwards of 3 or 4. All it takes is one volley of the overheat nailgun, a couple magnets and a jumpstart/electric railcannon to completely obliterate all of the fodder on a stage. Suddenly, you're left with the insurrectionists, mindflayers, gutterman, guttertanks, cerberi, swordsmachines, ferrymen, (assuming some of them don't already die to the initial conduction combo) and guess which weapon deals with those targets better than any other? In my mind, the jackhammer fills its role so much better than a shotgun. Slab pistols are two hitscan shots and each one heals you for 30, adding up to 60, which is a really efficient heal in my eyes. Jackhammers heal for 35 at most ranges, and the chainsaw heals to fill instantly regardless of which one you're using. Sacrificing a shotgun's strongest feat for the sake of healing is extremely underwhelming when you can just use a jackhammer for its intended purpose and reap all of the benefits that a shotgun is expected to alternate between on a whim. I'm a strong believer that rockets fill the explosive niche better than a shotgun. Despite the fact that it fires slower and can combo with pro-boosting, it deals 7 damage to airborne targets which is a really easy thing to pull off when you're upwards of wave 35 in the cyber grind. Also, if you just kill all the guttermen on the stage first, each of their explosive deaths deals 7 damage anyway. The jackhammer is the most effective at meeting the correct damage threshold of 25 health in two hits, which achieves exactly that sooner than any shotgun combo could dream.
@@Net_15 I really really wanna be convinced that the screwdriver is better than I think it is, but no matter how many times I try to use it I just find I could've been doing other things. Trust me, I wanna believe in the screwdriver-awesomeness brain.
Personally, I woulda' placed base sawed-on in the 'linear' tier. I can't say much about slab marksman, although, I think the criticism circling it is wildly unfair. S.R.S cannon's placement is reasonable; It's one of those guns where it really only fits the small area of expertise it resides. On a more fun > practicality note, it is pretty fun to dunk on a Cerberus, _now who's ballin'?_
22:20 As far as the saw vs nail jumpstart goes, I think you always want at least one nailgun in your loadout so you can take advantage of conducting multikills. Most of the time I just want to blast a single target, partly because the conduction mechanics feel inconsistent, so I usually go with jumpstart saw and overheat nails just in case. Also, jumpstart saws do 0.6 and only hit once. Four per second while hooked, so you get 2.4 DPS, which is honestly pretty bad unless you add the big shock where you're now doing about 13 DPS for as long as you have the launcher out. But with base damage only (it does *1.2* DPS unhooked) it's not adding anywhere near as much damage as an overheat saw launcher would. So again that's kind of the more important loadout choice. If you're a big sawcon stan you absolutely want overheat saw and with overheat saw you probably want jumpstart nails so you can do conductions. For people who don't make much use of conduction chains at all, triple saws.
I use Attracter Sawblade, Overheat Nailgun, Jumpstart Sawblade. Silver sawblades are incredibly strong even without conduction, so I prefer to use them as sole damage instead of swapping from the jumpstart to the attracter to perform my conductions. More damage is nice with the nailgun, but you never really wanna spray and pray in this game especially if you have nail traps set up. The overheat just does a better job of spreading nails really quickly in my opinion.
Its a bit hard to pull off, but the blue jackhammer when hitting the core turns the core from a projectile into a hitscan meaning it can combo with coins
Yup! It's not exactly practical either, but it's fun tech. People mainly use it because it fires a 5 damage explosion with 2 impact damage, meaning you're doing 7 damage to your target. It's like a mini red railcannon that synergizes with the actual red railcannon.
@@broccolite8297 it's not entirely impractical You can DEFINITELY Make it consistent (as long as your aim holds true) easiest way i found was the standard Coin punch + Sharpshooter but replace the sharpshooter with the core hammer it is a bit challenging for me sometimes (aim issue) but it works well.
@@MetalMustBleed Yeah, but the coin is only adding 0.5 damage to the hitscan (and whatever punch damage you added to the coin). I'd rather just hammer it at my target instead. Even if you can pull it off, it seems to me like you shouldn't.
But saws can accelerate the jumpstart. It's a balancing act of how much conduction you want versus how fast you want your jumpstart to pop. I like to believe that one nailgun and two sawblades should complete anyone's nailgun/sawblade loadout.
As someone who is currently within the top 6-700 in brutal CG (about 400 hours sunk into this fricken game), I have LONG agonized over the standard versus alt marksman. Personally, I loved the alt marksman even before its recent buff, as a three-shot alt-pistol volley against anything is a pretty quick 7.5 damage. Plus a 5 damage ricoshot that you can (now) chain one after another (with successful splitcoins) is absolutely insane against nearly any single target enemy (especially enemies without weak points for the standard marksman). However, there is one seemingly minor but nonetheless important distinction that currently has me in the standard marksman-camp, and that is the alt variation takes a bit longer to switch to. Sure, if you're planning on splitcoining then the delay is no big deal, but if you really just want to get a quick 2-4 damage burst in between everything else you are juggling (this is UK, after all) then it's hard to beat the standard variant. Against ferrymen in particular this aspect of the standard marksman has been a lifesaver, and it's for that reason I tend to default to it. Plus I have the option of split-coining, which I otherwise wouldn't get since I use the alt versions of the other two revolvers. So yeah, ultimately it comes down to personal preference. I like the alt marksman a lot and definitely think it's underrated, but at the same time I really enjoy the nearly instant damage boost I get with the standard variant.
As of a couple days ago, I'm currently top 100! I rode the Alt-Marksman train all the way through. It's actually my new video on my channel. Check it out when you get the chance.
@@broccolite8297 Yup, that's some pretty damn good gameplay lol. Seeing it also reaffirms my belief in "it isn't the wand, it's the wizard" for this game; namely, that your weapon setup is only as good as how you *use* it. For myself, I've really come to like my setup, some of which differs from yours (standard marksman and pump/core eject shotguns, and standard jumpstart). Made it to wave 62 with that recently; aiming for the 70's!
i hope that Hakita buff the slab marksman even more, the problem with this gun is its hammer, shooting a coin should instant reset the green slab marksman so it can make up dps to non-weak point enemy compare to normal marksman, i can quickly deal 10 damage and another 6 to 2 enemy with weak-point (punch a coin and shoot another) while in the same time i can only do 5 or less with slab and have to wait for the hammer or have to hit spilt coin which is not always success. All i want is the green slab should reset hammer when hit a coin and deal more damage in spilt coin instead of piercing to fulfill its role as more fire power than crowd control.
To me, 5 damage is so much more valuable than 4. So the slab just feels better to use. I'm currently in the top 100 of the Cybergrind leaderboard and I've been using the slab since my 10th hour in this game. I'm sitting on almost 600 hours now.
Am I the only one at a loss from so many weapon choices? I can't do anything with it, I understand that is a "skill issue", but before I unlocked saw blades etc. I passed most levels in first attempt , now I die all the time at the same levels... It's cool that they're adding more, but I will never learn how to use everything at the same time...
Practice, practice, and practice. Don't try to learn everything at once, stay with what you're used to and incorporate one new weapon at a time until you're satisfied with your efficiency.
I agree with what TimHawk said. Invest in one weapon at a time until you have a basic understanding of how to use it in certain scenarios, and wait until you're comfortable switching to it.
for the most part, ill have to agree with most of the placings, especially with the screwdriver, as its best with actual bosses than the cybergrind where you have 20+ enemies coming after you, for the hammers i would have probably put them a teir above mostly because i use them almost as much as the alt revolvers (im a triple alt revolver and triple sawblade user as well), i tend to use whiplash the most, and i dont really parry as much nor use the knuckleblaster, but again, still useful and i need to learn utilizing them more, mostly because im using the Hammer most of the time, im not exactly sure why i dont use the nailguns as much, especially when i can just damage stack by using the heatsink, its probably because im addicted to making traps using sawblade attractor and overheat, and i underutilize the nailgun, for the whole blue Hammer, i often do turn it into a mini railcannon, usually at the beginning and end of the waves i use slam storage jump, throw coins below me (sometimes above and sometimes 3 around me and one above me,) i do this to quickly get away from enemies and dodge most of the projectiles, or to finish off an enemy that i dont see and rather not look around the arena for that enemy, the only thing i dont use often are rockets, but i keep that freeze frame just in case i almost fall off the stage and dont have enough hp to do a Overpump Hammer blast, overall, the rating you put it is right around the same as i would put it (though i usually go into the cybergrind with a limited arsenal, more particularly alt marksman and peircer, 3 Hammers, 3 Sawblades, red and blue railcannons, and freeze frame, sometimes the firestarter) and yes, burning everything in the arena is fun, i dont use the firestarter that much, its probably because i like to gain high style points (small edit: HOLY SHIT HOW MUCH DID I WRITE!?!?!) second edit: im just not really a fan of the default pistols much, this is mostly because i prefer outputing very high damage
I would normally like to place the jackhammer higher, but its weaknesses are a little sneaky. When you're charging a jackhammer and setting up to use it, you have to realize that you haven't spent your time very efficiently while you've wasted the 1 or 2 seconds for 6 or 10 damage (plus whatever secondary). Regardless, its strengths are being able to kill certain enemies very efficiently so that's why it's remarkable. I just don't think it matches up with coins or sawblades. As for nailguns, I highly recommend you at least give the Overheat Nailgun or the Jumpstart Nailgun a try. I don't know if you've heard of conduction, but conduction allows you to detonate all nails on enemies to release chain lightning that deals crazy amounts of damage. All it takes to set them off is some source of electric damage. Either the Jumpstart or the Electric Railcannon!
@@broccolite8297 I have actually used the conduction and the jumpstart nail gun for that conduction, and yeah, it does very high amounts of damage though I switched to the jumpstart saw because if you fire at the enemy your latched to, it shaves off a second of charge, it can also insta-kill a hideous mass or heavily damage an enemy, though i will say, I'm gonna go ahead and try out the overheat nail with jumpstart sawblade to see how much DMG I do
@@headpriestofthechurchofnoobert Try 2 coins and an Electric railcannon. Try one core and a Malicious railcannon. Both are instant value, guarantee at least 10 damage, and don't need to be managed anymore outside of the instant they're used. To me, railcannons are supposed to be instantaneous damage tools that require very little or easy set up for high-end value. The Screwdriver is really inconvenient to manage when you add things like rocket riding or whiplash canceled jackhammering into the mix. Also, what does the screwdriver do that a series of sawblades and nails can't do better in every way? It can keep a Mindflayer pinned. That's kind of it as far as efficacious use.
The weapons i think you ranked way too low: is the S.R.S cannon. That thing is so good for a few specific enemies like cerberus, mind flayer and insurrectionist and you can still get 10 damage from the ball without any parrying by shooting it after it hits the target which causes an explosion the screwdriver carried me through some hard levels because of the healing And the chainsaw shotgun's chainsaw is useful for healing, can be parried for so much damage AND can be detached using the knuckle blaster and even spin around magnets and do conduction damage
For the SRS: You can do a maximum of 12 damage to an enemy with the SRS. Cerberi take double damage, Insurrectionist can be stunned. All in all, you're mainly using it on those two enemies for those specific reasons. Otherwise you have way more efficient ways of dealing damage. It's not that the SRS cannon is slow, it's that there are better options. Screwdriver is good only on targets with high health, and even still when you get better at the game you just railcoin enemies because it's more efficient. Sawed-On Shotgun is good for healing. Sawed-On Jackhammer is just better. You can detach and yoyo it regardless of which version you use. I put they each a little low because no one's going out of their way to use the saw for conduction, and because it serves as a sidepiece to the other saws which are just more reliable.
nails alone arent that great however i think conducter should be used with nails as it greatly enhances damage conduction, if you have the time and skill to put nails in a big enemy you can wipe a whole level in one swift conduction, if you chose to use overheat saw its belongs in irreplicable teir, but if you use overheat nails conduction saws is better
Yeah. I mainly put the Jumpstart and the Overheat weapons in Remarkable tier because they can be interchanged depending on your strategy. I personally prefer using Sawblade Attracter, Nailgun Overheat, and Sawblade Jumpstart.
@@broccolite8297 i legit dont know if i should stick to green and red jack hammer cuz they're strong but im stuck in 2022 when we didnt have red weapons and im too used too pro boost spam lol
@@broccolite8297 low charge core knuckle blaster wait 5 seconds launch another core max charge swap to green jackhammer hit the first core launched by knucklebalster into the second core
Big disclaimer, I was wrong about the numbers on the sawblades. Regardless, my placements do not change.
Finally someone says it, “there are no bad weapons and at worst they’re niche”
Not calling the screwdriver "bad" but niche instead makes me happy
I thought you were gonna say that him calling it not bad was a bad thing
@@EMan-xj5cz I've heard so many people say "Oohooh sCrewDrIver BaD beCaUse iT cAnT Do ThE THiNgs the OTHeR raiLCannOns can OOoohh EleCtRIC RaILCanNON betTER!!1111!" Without realizing that the screwdriver is very useful in fighting hard bosses and the electric railcannon is a glorified piece of shit without coins, the screwdriver, meanwhile, doesn't even INTERACT with coins, meaning you can deal a shit-ton of damage AND get healed, plus even the piercer charged shot outdamages the electric railcannon, but otherwise all the weapons are good tbh, don't get why we need a tierlist for them, all the railcannons fill a niche really REALLY well, I honestly don't think any weapon in ULTRAKILL was designed poorly
@@thatguystar817 not to even mention the stuff you can do with it in cybergrind with it taking down pretty much every single high health enemy with one screw
@@EMan-xj5cz exactly bruh
@@thatguystar817 I agree that tierlists are kind of redundant for Ultrakill since there's not necessarily a "Meta" like its a multiplayer game, it's just moreso that some weapons can do things better than others, but you can still tailor your arsenal to your own liking.
I think the reason that Screwdriver is dogged on more because with it being a railcannon it can sometimes fall flat compared to other weapons. The railcannons are all superweapons with incredibly high cooldowns, so what their effects do as a weapon has to make up for that wait time. For the most part, I think the other railcannons make up for this.
The electric railcannon has a lot of versatility in its usage, as you can instantly kill most enemies either with just the single shot or with coin adding, as well as it comboing for shocks as well for some crowd control. The malicious railcannon also has a lot of useful parts to it, as it can combine with cores for insane AoE killing capabilities in an instant as well as its other explosive interactions being very useful.
In contrast, the usage that the screwdriver has ends up being kind of niche to these ones. The main appeal of this weapon initially was that it has a higher radius for you to heal off of, which while it can be useful at times, its usually negligible of a use compared to everything else. The other main use of it is screw punching, which while in itself is pretty good for dealing high burst damage to multiple boss enemies put together, it usually takes some more time to use compared to the other ones which have their usages come out much faster in comparison.
I don't think the screwdriver is bad, it definitely has its uses as a weapon (hell, I've seen it used quite a bit in some brutal cybergrind playthroughs that go up to wave 100), but when you compare its values to the other railcannons it ends up feeling lower down due to its contrast of niche uses from the versatile uses of the other two. I think maybe if they added some more buffs to the screwdriver (maybe something like it being able to go off magnets to implant itself in an enemy easier to incentivize screw punching more), it would definitely be seen in a better light, but I think it's fine as a weapon.
i love that everyone agree that the 4 quarters in V1 pocket is one of the BEST weapons in ULTRAKILL
I'd be a moron to argue anything else! Lest I take the chance at being brutally ultraricoshotted by all of the Ultrakill community at once.
@@broccolite8297 i would say malicious cannon should be in irreplaceable because nuking does a lot of damage and has great crowd control (you can nuke a couple different stuff)
@@rasinroleroblox5600 Yeah, it's just that conduction can do the same thing. That's why they're neck and neck for me. One has greater residual damage but takes longer, the other costs a railcannon but is more instant.
puutting slab marksman in S tier was the brawest thing I saw anybody do today
I think my logic is sound!
because of the slab update that makes it so you can shoot again almost instantly if you splitshot a coin
@@Not_Nik0 I know, but original marksman is still better. Slab coins can't be divided into 2 ricochets, which is very convenient when you need to finish a few last enemies.
@@Not_Nik0 ps chain slabbing (or something, I don't know how community called it) isn't that efficient overall
@@danielch-r1g I personally believe 5 damage is more impactful than 4 damage. If you’re using coins to kill fodder in the heat of battle (excluding when you’re picking off the last couple enemies in a cybergrind wave) I’d argue you’re using it wrong.
Because the slab marksman is two hitscans (three if you splitcoin), the damage multiplier is applied to each individual hitscan, which is more damage to your single target. I value 5 over two 4s any day when my method for clearing fodder is conduction, sawblades and oil. Plus, it makes coin-punching better.
I'm so glad to see the Slab Marksman respect, I see too many people forgetting that coins are coins!
Also the main reason people use the conductor nailgun for extra damage, the quicker charge of the conductor sawlauncher can be kind of a bad thing if you're trying to get a really good +CONDUCTOR setup, which can easily clear half of an entire cyber grind wave, sometimes even the entire wave. The overheat nailgun fits well into this niche too, but it takes charges and a standard sawblade launch to charge it (using three weapons for a single combo is too much for my little brain, and the conductor nailgun does it all for me).
There's a trick you can do with the overheat nailgun. If you spend a heatsink and swap to the next weapon, no matter how much heatsink you dealt, firing with the attracter once again will replenish the first heatsink you spent. Then when you use the Overheat again, it'll automatically begin spilling the same heatsink you replenished. I pull it off a couple times in my NEURON ACTIVATOR video. You should see it!
@@broccolite8297 That's cool, I didn't know about that tech. Also cool video, I just checked it out.
@@FutureThrone795 That's one of the few things that gives the edge over the Jumpstart Nailgun for me.
You forgot the best part about the alt marksman! the primary fire is insane as a quick switch weapon to kill fodder or rack up damage on big enemies with pistol swapping, aside from that im happy your giving it more attention
@@Azure_72 I’m happy to be the top 100 alt-marksman guy.
Screwdriver is really good at healing, that’s literally the only reason why I use it
@@matonk ?
Revving a chainsaw in an enemy's face heals you instantaneously and at no cost to your Railcannon charge. That's the way I see it.
@@broccolite8297 but you can punch your drill for damage, it instakills Maurice’s and virtues
@@Turkwithknife I'd rather get a sweet lineup with an electric railcannon two kill several virtues in one instance. Or use maurices as blood bags for parry healing until they're grouped up to kill all of them at once with a jackhammer strike.
I use screwdriver for healing and corkscrew blow
I really wish Hakita would either nerf projectile-boosting the shotgun or buff the core eject, as it is just completely outclassed by projectile-boosting in every scenario. I think core ejects are just such an interesting way of dealing damage, with nothing else in the game really matching the appeal of a gravity-affected bomb. Pistoling the core-eject is cool, but even that is outclassed by whiplash + rocket in a lot of cases.
I'm glad you agree. A lot of people castrate me for having the opinions I do on the core eject shotgun. Honestly, I'd just increase the radius of the explosion and make it red. A 3.5 damage red explosion with a slightly bigger radius (somewhat close to the size of a cannonball's explosion after being shot) sounds like something I'd actually consider using. Who doesn't like bigger booms?
@@broccolite8297 Red explosions are already so common, I'd worry about having them be even more common (especially for the first explosion weapon the player ever encounters). I also fear that that change could remove a huge purpose of shooting the core with the pistol, which is really awesome tech. I personally would like a really high damage amount in a small area, because that's just something I think would be really interesting to interact with. A 6 damage explosion with it's current radius would keep it really nicely balanced I think.
@@FutureThrone795 But then you have to think how much damage you're doing when the core is shot. Malicious suddenly becomes insane and core sniping deals up to 12 damage (assuming we're carrying over the current math: 3.5 -> 7 damage). Maybe don't make it red, but a bigger radius and maybe 5 damage like a cannonball could be good. Gives New Blood a reason to change the SRS in a new a dynamic way as well.
@@broccolite8297 Well it's a big assumption that the current damage scaling of the game would transfer over proportionally to my suggestion, lol. Core nukes are already in a good place even with this suggested change, and core sniping could get a small buff of 8 total damage, red explosion, and a slightly larger explosion.
I already think the SRS is pretty dynamic in a lot of ways, but how would you go about changing it? What does the cannonball *not* do that should be different?
@@FutureThrone795 The SRS can just be grabbed and hit into enemies, and can potentially be shot to blow up. It's not really dynamic aside from that. At least when compared to other weapons. Sharpshooter can shoot projectiles for 7 damage, blast away other projectiles, bounce down linear hallways for optimal damage against multiple targets, be comboed with coins to create an ultraricoshot chain. All with just one click of the secondary.
I'd like to see the SRS have some synergy with a new weapon. Maybe it conducts electricity? It's able to last a long time in the arena. Could be worth it the same way freezeframe rockets are worth it. Maybe it can carry status effects like a tumbling snowball that gains burning, electric or explosive properties when launched through burning enemies/oil, conduction tricks/nails/sawblades, or a big explosion. Burning applies burning like normal, electricity always has a minimum of 2 aftershock damage and explosions are explosions. It would make using the cannonball twice feel a lot more potent as you stack each unique effect and dish it out two separate times.
I consider the screwdriver to be an emergency safety net, for occasions on which I find myself with
I'll be honest. I use the screwdriver sometimes despite where I put it. But with all of that in consideration, the weapons in the higher tiers are really good at avoiding taking damage and being in situations where you'd need to burn your railcannon. Not a bad weapon, just niche!
I used to sleep on jackhammer until I realized it can instakill a bunch of targets like maurice, virtue and sentry, saving ball and rail for something else.
I personally use the slab sharpshooter to one-shot virtues due to the ricochet between walls.
@@V1_The_Machine In the Cybergrind?
@@broccolite8297 oh, sorry. Forgot to specify. Not in the Cybergrind, I usually don’t play that mode.
Finally, someone who agrees with me concerning the Slab Marksman.
Absofruitly.
Also ALSO I wish there was some kind of overpowered combo with the screwdriver railcannon. The electric and the malicious each have their own really good synergies and niches which they fit into, but the screwdriver railcannon is only good if you need blood or can repeatedly +CORKSCREW BLOW two or more tanky enemies (BTW this is a really fun way to fight the cerberi in 0-5 and the insurrectionists in 6-1). These two situations very rarely get used in the cybergrind, though perhaps the latter has some untapped potential on future enemies that are both tanky and slow.
I'd like to see an interaction between the knuckleblaster and a screwed enemy, maybe giving a ton of knockback to heavy enemies that couldn't be traditionally given knockback (for example, instantly killing a guttertank by screwdriving it and hitting it off the stage).
These are very cool ideas. The way I've always seen it, each railcannon interacts directly with one other weapon in the game. Electric with coins, Malicious with cores, and the Screwdriver with the Feedbacker. All cool things, but the previous railcannons have secondary interactions as well. Electric with nails, Malicious with coins, and the Screwdriver with... what else? Lots can be done to make it better and I love your idea of the screwdriver destabilizing a heavy enemy's movement to the point where they can be knocked around with explosives or the knuckleblaster.
I mean, you can chain it off maurices with it, when you punch it off it kills them and gives a bit of style. but that’s the only thing I use it for. 🤷
@@bloopblap-xn1oq There are so many more efficient ways to kill a Maurice. I just can't with the Screwdriver, man.
@@broccolite8297 true but I feel cooler when I do it
@@bloopblap-xn1oq Hey! That's all it takes to enjoy it!
I am a sawed on enthusiast, I personally think the chainsaw is one of the best tools in the entire game if you can consistently parry and juggle it, it deals so much free damage and the healing is just insane. I personally prefer the shotgun variant cus I just love to shoot just after I finish healing and send the saw out along with it and just juggle my yoyo of death
I'd say fair enough, but just like the main issue with pro boosting, using your feedbacker is a big sacrifice in the heat of the Cybergrind.
@@broccolite8297 That is a valid point, but I end up dashing to delay or shorten how long the projectiles take to reach me so I can parry the projectiles and the saw at the same. Is it stupid, unnecessarily hard and an overall pointless skill to have? Yes, but my god it is satisfying to pull off
@@Symmetry_Obsessed_Freak You're right that chainsaw yoyos are very rewarding. It's definitely a different play-style than I'm used to. I prefer using knuckleblaster on chainsaws after getting the yoyo value before shooting a magnet at another enemy for chainsawblade value. One could argue that using a knuckleblaster is also a big arm commitment.
Either way, I prefer the sawed-on Jackhammer to the shotgun. One reason is because if you flick your mouse straight down after a yellow/red gauge hit, you can launch yourself directly upwards to initiate the magnetic chainsawblade airstrike from anywhere to any place on the map. Fun stuff!
@@broccolite8297 Indeed, to each their own. The game is all about personality via your own unique play style. I’m glad I can have a discussion with someone who doesn’t 100% agree with me on this. I just might have to try your way of playing and see if I like it
@@Symmetry_Obsessed_Freak Every day I get the desire to give shotguns one last try. And every day I'm not convinced to use them. But you've given me that burst of motivation to try it out once more.
Havent finished but the Core Eject Shotgun can get free nukes for your jackhammer with the 1st Variation bind, since it has no cooldown on the alt fire
That alongside core snipes and nukes from a safe distance is very valuable
And i feel shotgun swapping and pro boosts are very valuable tools you may be underestimating a bit
I just think overall both the shotguns and jackhammers are equally as good and viable
Also, i think you're underestimating the Screwdriver, it does 15 damage with the parry and it can theoretically go up to the end of the wave, i'd argue its better than just the raw Mal rail which is completely reliant on nukes for being truly worth the charge since its not even a red, and does less damage than the overpump. Since the alt core came out i genuinely dont see the point in using it outside of nukes
Using the core eject shotgun for jackhammer hits just limits the jackhammer's potential. Check out my video where I demonstrate extremely efficient ways of dealing insane damage with the core eject jackhammer.
Pro-boosting can hardly match consistent patterns of jackhammer swapping, which can deal a consistent 9.5 damage with pump charge jack, 13 damage with a core eject jack, and ~10.5 to each their own SINGLE enemy (not to mention your fist is available, so slap on melee parries and knuckleblast punches for extra damage). Each jackhammer is capable of dealing group damage, and unlike pro-boosting, allows you to heal in the heat of hit-and-run melee combat like bread on butter. Jackhammers, in their nature, play into all of your strengths: Moving fast -> taking less damage, as well as freeing up your feedbacker slot to allow for more consistent stamina and health refills via parries.
I'm willing to accept that I may be underestimating the screwdriver, but my only condition for it staying where it is will be the fact that it gets the best value while you are at low health. In practice, you should be more focused on higher damage combos like railcoins, slarpcoins, slabcoins, jackhammer swapping, conduction chains, rocket riding, etc. All of these strategies either heal you and/or allow you to avoid significant damage. Meaning, in my opinion, the screwdriver is too specialized.
@@broccolite8297 I can understand that but i think its similar to coins in the way the core is where you get most of the value from the weapon. And i think that if you really do practice and get good at quickly swapping the CE shotgun with the 1st variant bind to hammer them and nuke (if you want a demo of that, its on DrFeelGood's advanced coin mechanics 2 video's outro) you could get potential huge pay off (also i did watch your vid its great lol. Been practicing the yellow hit + core. And i can see how the CE jackhammer might be a better option in a lot of scenarios, but i see it more as a sidegrade while both are very viable)
Pro boosts are by far not the strongest option you have for explosive damage, but the sheer quick burst you get from it is very valuable to throw out while switching between your weapons. Its also very reliable against Guttermen since they can snipe your cores and rockets, and since they're very prominent on the cg, having a good way to surely hit them from a far as you approach them is appreciated.
The jackhammer does do more dmg but you do have to commit way more to it compared to doing a quick round of p boosts + rockets at tankier enemies. And shooting a chainsaw then switching to your pump shotgun allows you to p boost and parry the chainsaw back due to the faster reload of the pump (alternatively you can switch between the shotguns), and thats some of the highest dps you can get. While it does tax your arm exhaustion, its a great alternative to railcoining at the ledge if your rail is on cooldown. And while pboosts cant heal you, shotgun swapping can, and even just 2 shots with the m1 can heal you by a lot when you need health, i believe more than the jackhammer's hits? But im unsure of that.
I do agree the jackhammer's hit and running is amazing and it plays into movement very very well, but i dont believe the shotgun cant match its strenghts to at least a pretty good extent
While the screwdriver is undeniably somewhat niche due to the healing focus, i think that theres still a lot of value on using it offensively. You can still do alot of those things while a screwdriver is on the field, you can put it on a maurice, a cerb, swordsmachine, even a mindflayer since it prevents them from teleporting, kill some other threats quickly, then go back to punch it into another target, and you can keep that cycle until your railcannon is already recharged. All that while you also get a lot of safety and letting you take more risks, due to the blood if you play around where your target is. Maybe its not as "optimal" as other options but its undeniable very fun and stylish.
@@Net_15 I believe the shotgun is severely overshadowed by the nailguns and sawblades. Conduction is the supreme crowd controller at the end of the day, and it completely trivializes the need for explosions through p-boosting. 3.5 damage is only good in a context where you're hitting more than one enemy, preferably upwards of 3 or 4. All it takes is one volley of the overheat nailgun, a couple magnets and a jumpstart/electric railcannon to completely obliterate all of the fodder on a stage. Suddenly, you're left with the insurrectionists, mindflayers, gutterman, guttertanks, cerberi, swordsmachines, ferrymen, (assuming some of them don't already die to the initial conduction combo) and guess which weapon deals with those targets better than any other? In my mind, the jackhammer fills its role so much better than a shotgun.
Slab pistols are two hitscan shots and each one heals you for 30, adding up to 60, which is a really efficient heal in my eyes.
Jackhammers heal for 35 at most ranges, and the chainsaw heals to fill instantly regardless of which one you're using.
Sacrificing a shotgun's strongest feat for the sake of healing is extremely underwhelming when you can just use a jackhammer for its intended purpose and reap all of the benefits that a shotgun is expected to alternate between on a whim.
I'm a strong believer that rockets fill the explosive niche better than a shotgun. Despite the fact that it fires slower and can combo with pro-boosting, it deals 7 damage to airborne targets which is a really easy thing to pull off when you're upwards of wave 35 in the cyber grind.
Also, if you just kill all the guttermen on the stage first, each of their explosive deaths deals 7 damage anyway. The jackhammer is the most effective at meeting the correct damage threshold of 25 health in two hits, which achieves exactly that sooner than any shotgun combo could dream.
@@Net_15 I really really wanna be convinced that the screwdriver is better than I think it is, but no matter how many times I try to use it I just find I could've been doing other things. Trust me, I wanna believe in the screwdriver-awesomeness brain.
im glad you think the alt marksman isnt bad. i wish it could split coins though
Personally, I woulda' placed base sawed-on in the 'linear' tier. I can't say much about slab marksman, although, I think the criticism circling it is wildly unfair. S.R.S cannon's placement is reasonable; It's one of those guns where it really only fits the small area of expertise it resides. On a more fun > practicality note, it is pretty fun to dunk on a Cerberus, _now who's ballin'?_
I'm a knuckleblaster excuser at this point man
i dont care what yall say the alt marksman is peak
22:20 As far as the saw vs nail jumpstart goes, I think you always want at least one nailgun in your loadout so you can take advantage of conducting multikills. Most of the time I just want to blast a single target, partly because the conduction mechanics feel inconsistent, so I usually go with jumpstart saw and overheat nails just in case.
Also, jumpstart saws do 0.6 and only hit once. Four per second while hooked, so you get 2.4 DPS, which is honestly pretty bad unless you add the big shock where you're now doing about 13 DPS for as long as you have the launcher out. But with base damage only (it does *1.2* DPS unhooked) it's not adding anywhere near as much damage as an overheat saw launcher would. So again that's kind of the more important loadout choice. If you're a big sawcon stan you absolutely want overheat saw and with overheat saw you probably want jumpstart nails so you can do conductions. For people who don't make much use of conduction chains at all, triple saws.
I use Attracter Sawblade, Overheat Nailgun, Jumpstart Sawblade. Silver sawblades are incredibly strong even without conduction, so I prefer to use them as sole damage instead of swapping from the jumpstart to the attracter to perform my conductions. More damage is nice with the nailgun, but you never really wanna spray and pray in this game especially if you have nail traps set up. The overheat just does a better job of spreading nails really quickly in my opinion.
Its a bit hard to pull off, but the blue jackhammer when hitting the core turns the core from a projectile into a hitscan meaning it can combo with coins
Yup! It's not exactly practical either, but it's fun tech. People mainly use it because it fires a 5 damage explosion with 2 impact damage, meaning you're doing 7 damage to your target. It's like a mini red railcannon that synergizes with the actual red railcannon.
@@broccolite8297 it's not entirely impractical You can DEFINITELY Make it consistent (as long as your aim holds true)
easiest way i found was the standard Coin punch + Sharpshooter but replace the sharpshooter with the core hammer
it is a bit challenging for me sometimes (aim issue) but it works well.
@@MetalMustBleed Yeah, but the coin is only adding 0.5 damage to the hitscan (and whatever punch damage you added to the coin). I'd rather just hammer it at my target instead. Even if you can pull it off, it seems to me like you shouldn't.
@@MetalMustBleed you could also just throw out the core during hitstop for more damage, the input buffers to one frame after hitstop ends
@@broccolite8297 I mean it is ULTRAKILL.
so i don't think it's something you aren't supposed to do.
though yeah wish they did more damage
i think we all know that the whiplash’s damage is superior to all other weapons in the game
Amen, brother.
I love sticking the driller on a lone Maurice when I need some healing
The only disadvantage with the core jackhammer(my favourite weapon), is that it is harder to nuke spam, shooting the core with a rocket
unrelated but slab marksman made me realize how bad i am at splitshots
screwdriver, my beloved, why is everyone mistreating you
Nails might be less damaging than saws but saws can't attach to enemies to make them +conductive.
But saws can accelerate the jumpstart. It's a balancing act of how much conduction you want versus how fast you want your jumpstart to pop. I like to believe that one nailgun and two sawblades should complete anyone's nailgun/sawblade loadout.
As someone who is currently within the top 6-700 in brutal CG (about 400 hours sunk into this fricken game), I have LONG agonized over the standard versus alt marksman. Personally, I loved the alt marksman even before its recent buff, as a three-shot alt-pistol volley against anything is a pretty quick 7.5 damage. Plus a 5 damage ricoshot that you can (now) chain one after another (with successful splitcoins) is absolutely insane against nearly any single target enemy (especially enemies without weak points for the standard marksman).
However, there is one seemingly minor but nonetheless important distinction that currently has me in the standard marksman-camp, and that is the alt variation takes a bit longer to switch to. Sure, if you're planning on splitcoining then the delay is no big deal, but if you really just want to get a quick 2-4 damage burst in between everything else you are juggling (this is UK, after all) then it's hard to beat the standard variant. Against ferrymen in particular this aspect of the standard marksman has been a lifesaver, and it's for that reason I tend to default to it. Plus I have the option of split-coining, which I otherwise wouldn't get since I use the alt versions of the other two revolvers.
So yeah, ultimately it comes down to personal preference. I like the alt marksman a lot and definitely think it's underrated, but at the same time I really enjoy the nearly instant damage boost I get with the standard variant.
As of a couple days ago, I'm currently top 100! I rode the Alt-Marksman train all the way through. It's actually my new video on my channel. Check it out when you get the chance.
@@broccolite8297 Yup, that's some pretty damn good gameplay lol. Seeing it also reaffirms my belief in "it isn't the wand, it's the wizard" for this game; namely, that your weapon setup is only as good as how you *use* it. For myself, I've really come to like my setup, some of which differs from yours (standard marksman and pump/core eject shotguns, and standard jumpstart). Made it to wave 62 with that recently; aiming for the 70's!
@@Cythros I wish you luck on that accord. Going from 64 to 79 was quite a jump I didn't expect to make.
idk but if you’re top 600 you’re allowed to tell people alt marksman is good
You can take my word as law when I get back into top 500 again! Then I've earned your trust.
@@broccolite8297 you gonna start again with your word as law?
@@AcceptableAsGenerallyDecent Next question...
i hope that Hakita buff the slab marksman even more, the problem with this gun is its hammer, shooting a coin should instant reset the green slab marksman so it can make up dps to non-weak point enemy compare to normal marksman, i can quickly deal 10 damage and another 6 to 2 enemy with weak-point (punch a coin and shoot another) while in the same time i can only do 5 or less with slab and have to wait for the hammer or have to hit spilt coin which is not always success. All i want is the green slab should reset hammer when hit a coin and deal more damage in spilt coin instead of piercing to fulfill its role as more fire power than crowd control.
To me, 5 damage is so much more valuable than 4. So the slab just feels better to use. I'm currently in the top 100 of the Cybergrind leaderboard and I've been using the slab since my 10th hour in this game. I'm sitting on almost 600 hours now.
Am I the only one at a loss from so many weapon choices? I can't do anything with it, I understand that is a "skill issue", but before I unlocked saw blades etc. I passed most levels in first attempt , now I die all the time at the same levels... It's cool that they're adding more, but I will never learn how to use everything at the same time...
Practice, practice, and practice. Don't try to learn everything at once, stay with what you're used to and incorporate one new weapon at a time until you're satisfied with your efficiency.
I agree with what TimHawk said. Invest in one weapon at a time until you have a basic understanding of how to use it in certain scenarios, and wait until you're comfortable switching to it.
i personally like the normal marksman bc i like the faster firerate, thats it lol my opinion
for the most part, ill have to agree with most of the placings, especially with the screwdriver, as its best with actual bosses than the cybergrind where you have 20+ enemies coming after you, for the hammers i would have probably put them a teir above mostly because i use them almost as much as the alt revolvers (im a triple alt revolver and triple sawblade user as well), i tend to use whiplash the most, and i dont really parry as much nor use the knuckleblaster, but again, still useful and i need to learn utilizing them more, mostly because im using the Hammer most of the time, im not exactly sure why i dont use the nailguns as much, especially when i can just damage stack by using the heatsink, its probably because im addicted to making traps using sawblade attractor and overheat, and i underutilize the nailgun, for the whole blue Hammer, i often do turn it into a mini railcannon, usually at the beginning and end of the waves i use slam storage jump, throw coins below me (sometimes above and sometimes 3 around me and one above me,) i do this to quickly get away from enemies and dodge most of the projectiles, or to finish off an enemy that i dont see and rather not look around the arena for that enemy, the only thing i dont use often are rockets, but i keep that freeze frame just in case i almost fall off the stage and dont have enough hp to do a Overpump Hammer blast, overall, the rating you put it is right around the same as i would put it (though i usually go into the cybergrind with a limited arsenal, more particularly alt marksman and peircer, 3 Hammers, 3 Sawblades, red and blue railcannons, and freeze frame, sometimes the firestarter) and yes, burning everything in the arena is fun, i dont use the firestarter that much, its probably because i like to gain high style points
(small edit: HOLY SHIT HOW MUCH DID I WRITE!?!?!)
second edit: im just not really a fan of the default pistols much, this is mostly because i prefer outputing very high damage
I would normally like to place the jackhammer higher, but its weaknesses are a little sneaky. When you're charging a jackhammer and setting up to use it, you have to realize that you haven't spent your time very efficiently while you've wasted the 1 or 2 seconds for 6 or 10 damage (plus whatever secondary). Regardless, its strengths are being able to kill certain enemies very efficiently so that's why it's remarkable. I just don't think it matches up with coins or sawblades.
As for nailguns, I highly recommend you at least give the Overheat Nailgun or the Jumpstart Nailgun a try. I don't know if you've heard of conduction, but conduction allows you to detonate all nails on enemies to release chain lightning that deals crazy amounts of damage. All it takes to set them off is some source of electric damage. Either the Jumpstart or the Electric Railcannon!
@@broccolite8297 I have actually used the conduction and the jumpstart nail gun for that conduction, and yeah, it does very high amounts of damage though I switched to the jumpstart saw because if you fire at the enemy your latched to, it shaves off a second of charge, it can also insta-kill a hideous mass or heavily damage an enemy, though i will say, I'm gonna go ahead and try out the overheat nail with jumpstart sawblade to see how much DMG I do
@@THEYEETERDELETER You should see my NEURON ACTIVATOR video! I feature that loadout there!
@@broccolite8297 oh nice
screwdriver is actually good if no skill issue
Sell me on the Screwdriver.
@@broccolite8297 Higher net damage and conducts. Can also be juggled for amazing damage.
@@headpriestofthechurchofnoobert Try 2 coins and an Electric railcannon. Try one core and a Malicious railcannon. Both are instant value, guarantee at least 10 damage, and don't need to be managed anymore outside of the instant they're used.
To me, railcannons are supposed to be instantaneous damage tools that require very little or easy set up for high-end value. The Screwdriver is really inconvenient to manage when you add things like rocket riding or whiplash canceled jackhammering into the mix.
Also, what does the screwdriver do that a series of sawblades and nails can't do better in every way? It can keep a Mindflayer pinned. That's kind of it as far as efficacious use.
screwdriver tech goes hard ngl
The tech: Pounch.
@@broccolite8297 Aim and punch, then aim and punch, then aim and punch...
@@artife10 As a Jackhammer Enthusiast, I have other priorities.
The weapons i think you ranked way too low:
is the S.R.S cannon.
That thing is so good for a few specific enemies like cerberus, mind flayer and insurrectionist and
you can still get 10 damage from the ball without any parrying by shooting it after it hits the target which causes an explosion
the screwdriver carried me through some hard levels because of the healing
And the chainsaw shotgun's chainsaw is useful for healing, can be parried for so much damage AND can be detached using the knuckle blaster and even spin around magnets and do conduction damage
For the SRS: You can do a maximum of 12 damage to an enemy with the SRS. Cerberi take double damage, Insurrectionist can be stunned. All in all, you're mainly using it on those two enemies for those specific reasons. Otherwise you have way more efficient ways of dealing damage. It's not that the SRS cannon is slow, it's that there are better options.
Screwdriver is good only on targets with high health, and even still when you get better at the game you just railcoin enemies because it's more efficient.
Sawed-On Shotgun is good for healing. Sawed-On Jackhammer is just better. You can detach and yoyo it regardless of which version you use. I put they each a little low because no one's going out of their way to use the saw for conduction, and because it serves as a sidepiece to the other saws which are just more reliable.
@broccolite8297 you're right
But the cannon ball looks so cool XD
@@NojeDeh It does!
nails alone arent that great however i think conducter should be used with nails as it greatly enhances damage conduction, if you have the time and skill to put nails in a big enemy you can wipe a whole level in one swift conduction, if you chose to use overheat saw its belongs in irreplicable teir, but if you use overheat nails conduction saws is better
Yeah. I mainly put the Jumpstart and the Overheat weapons in Remarkable tier because they can be interchanged depending on your strategy. I personally prefer using Sawblade Attracter, Nailgun Overheat, and Sawblade Jumpstart.
i tried using the jack hammer and its so weird cuz im used to pro boosting constantly
You want to break free.
@@broccolite8297 i want to break free from being washed :sob:
@@mango_c00kie67 ALL of the above.
@@broccolite8297 i legit dont know if i should stick to green and red jack hammer cuz they're strong but im stuck in 2022 when we didnt have red weapons and im too used too pro boost spam lol
@@mango_c00kie67 All you need is one shotgun. You can swap to rockets to complete your proboosting combos with one shotgun in your first slot.
Cybergrind size 2?
Blue shotgun is top tier just because of nukes
agreed
Try using the blue jackhammer for core nukes in the manner that I suggested in the video. You might change your mind.
@@broccolite8297 yea I mean that's good but I don't need the blue jackhammer to nuke without the railgun
@@jamesThebulbmin What do you mean?
@@broccolite8297 low charge core knuckle blaster wait 5 seconds launch another core max charge swap to green jackhammer hit the first core launched by knucklebalster into the second core
What music did you use?
I used some Ultrakill music, some Cruelty Squad music, and some Hylics 2 music!
How many hours do you have?
Almost 600 hours.