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  • Опубліковано 1 лис 2024

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  • @lordpeshwari8966
    @lordpeshwari8966 Рік тому +11603

    Charlie's smiles are so rare that it felt AI generated

    • @skellyballs
      @skellyballs Рік тому +83

      I’ve had to watch is 5 times just to process it

    • @rynsart
      @rynsart Рік тому

      ​@@redfrog1628come on man you could of done better than that

    • @derpstick5467
      @derpstick5467 Рік тому +73

      The op comment seems like such a bot comment, have you seen the past few UA-cam stream thumbnails of his? He’s smiling in a couple of them.

    • @lordpeshwari8966
      @lordpeshwari8966 Рік тому +54

      @@derpstick5467 still sends shivers down my spine

    • @MrYoshidaSoySauce
      @MrYoshidaSoySauce Рік тому +16

      ​@@ChrisShafferOfficialbro literally did the same thing to my comment 💀

  • @somerandomdude4560
    @somerandomdude4560 Рік тому +5312

    Don’t think I’ve seen Charlie smile at the camera like that before

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому +5

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂..

    • @smalism
      @smalism Рік тому +115

      Me neither, Charlie must be having the day of his life

    • @quartdude
      @quartdude Рік тому +11

      NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY UA-cam! 100% REAL!! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

    • @WrdtoMuva
      @WrdtoMuva Рік тому +10

      Then you don’t watch him enough

    • @Back_door_bandit_98
      @Back_door_bandit_98 Рік тому +4

      You could have at least added a time stamp…..

  • @fishblub5443
    @fishblub5443 Рік тому +1039

    He just has the most tame and polite chat, no one talks because they don’t wanna interrupt each other duh

    • @LacedKrabbyPatty99
      @LacedKrabbyPatty99 Рік тому +31

      nuh uh

    • @Acey4894
      @Acey4894 Рік тому +90

      ​@@LacedKrabbyPatty99your honor, my defendant claims nuh uh

    • @linkholder
      @linkholder Рік тому

      ​@@Acey4894nuh uh

    • @Monkeyman-qt1sm
      @Monkeyman-qt1sm Рік тому +1

      Lmao or they are actually watching the content?

    • @fishblub5443
      @fishblub5443 Рік тому +2

      @@Acey4894 “I rule in their favor, case dismissed”

  • @junetalon8796
    @junetalon8796 Рік тому +261

    I noticed that with Baldurs Gate, virtually every NPC is entry is: "This NPC can be found in _insert location_ . There are many NPC that you can interact with in BG3"

    • @caseybaker7935
      @caseybaker7935 Рік тому +19

      BG3 is the first game I've actually been to fextralife for, and yeah the copy-pasted empty templates are overwhelmingly common

    • @purvdragon-sensei
      @purvdragon-sensei Рік тому +22

      Lmfao, Elden Ring had it bad, they were straight up making shit up “it came to me in a dream” tier info until someone else corrects them

    • @jonaut5705
      @jonaut5705 3 місяці тому +1

      @@purvdragon-sensei fr, i hate so much how it's the only wiki for elden ring

    • @MD38060
      @MD38060 3 місяці тому

      ​@@jonaut5705it's not, there's a fandom wiki too. Fextralife is just easiest to find

  • @onechippyboi
    @onechippyboi Рік тому +1545

    I remember their wiki and walkthroughs being very useful and accurate for my first DS3 playthrough (this was a couple years after release), but when Elden Ring first came out their wiki was infuriatingly bad and difficult to avoid in search results.

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому +1

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.

    • @lollma0
      @lollma0 Рік тому +108

      You haven't seen shit. If you played the new Pathfinder game when it came out all their wikis were barren, the Lich page took a month post launch to get edited and they were nuking comments telling you how to do it. All their pages are just templates that get filled in sooner or later if the admins felt like it that day. Hell it took them a week or more to update that big meta INT sword that got nerfed in the first Elden Ring patch. So people were getting pissed that this god sword sucked ass.

    • @lodunost
      @lodunost Рік тому +21

      must have been all those comments they stole and threw into their guides. I stopped using it because they would strait steal content from others and reword whatever it was and claim it was their own in the guides.

    • @twitsik8966
      @twitsik8966 Рік тому +14

      If a game is fresh they’ll be conflicting information on things so it makes sense I don’t get why people are shitting their pants. They are helpful source of information

    • @andrewmartel916
      @andrewmartel916 Рік тому +6

      That’s some good SEO lol

  • @themaster22dude39
    @themaster22dude39 Рік тому +1279

    I love when Charlie gives us a smile it’s the most sweet and genuine thing

    • @jacobs1047
      @jacobs1047 Рік тому +23

      It actually scared me i sharted

    • @burgerbran
      @burgerbran Рік тому +9

      except for the fact that it was the most artificial smile known to man

    • @reecechadwick8504
      @reecechadwick8504 Рік тому

      Are you gay?

    • @KibatsuMusic
      @KibatsuMusic Рік тому

      @@burgerbran artificial like his interest in this video

    • @samuelbrown7466
      @samuelbrown7466 Рік тому +3

      I still don’t know what a fextralife or whatever the fuck is so

  • @hemmefatale1
    @hemmefatale1 Рік тому +596

    Fextralife builds are basically the modern equivalent to 90's guitar tab books

    • @Themostfluffiest
      @Themostfluffiest Рік тому +13

      Is that a bad thing? Sorry not from that time, just wondering if you don't mind clarifying what that means.

    • @sapedibeppo
      @sapedibeppo Рік тому +2

      LOL

    • @rezorus8832
      @rezorus8832 Рік тому +47

      @@Themostfluffiest Very basic and bare bones. For beginners but will not explain any mechanics to you.

    • @Thicc_Boyo
      @Thicc_Boyo Рік тому +5

      @@Themostfluffiest The builds are terrible.

    • @Bladezeromus
      @Bladezeromus Рік тому +33

      ​​@@Themostfluffiest
      People are definitely exaggerating. If you go to their builds, like for Divinity, it's probably a 15 minute video and it explains how the build works and the mechanics fairly well. What they don't do if go full on data miner and give you Google docs spreadsheets full of motion values, calcs, and formulas for scaling.
      But generally, you can take a build from them and run it through the highest difficulty in whatever game you're playing with no issue.

  • @Fresch_K
    @Fresch_K Рік тому +17

    Thank you for coverin this. I am an Editor on the BG3 community wiki and it was so hard watching how Fextralive is always the first search result on google with their half-assed content and stream promotions while the community wiki struggles to show up at all after all the SEO work we put into it.

  • @trueclownster
    @trueclownster Рік тому +2042

    seeing charlie smile in that wholesome way, made my day 5x better
    edit: the bots are from fextralife

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому +4

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.

    • @quartdude
      @quartdude Рік тому +7

      NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY UA-cam! 100% REAL!! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

    • @12SickOne34
      @12SickOne34 Рік тому +20

      =) me too

    • @cardboardbox4093
      @cardboardbox4093 Рік тому +22

      made me smile ngl

    • @AdamantineAxe
      @AdamantineAxe Рік тому +8

      wholesome crit

  • @bryguy8000
    @bryguy8000 Рік тому +926

    THANK YOU for talking about this situation! The Baldur's Gate 3 Wiki that they have is abysmal, while the community BG3 wiki is quite good. It's a damn shame they are hiding the work others put into a competitor.

    • @ChloeOHwowie
      @ChloeOHwowie Рік тому +25

      I agree, the pain has been real as an completionist 😭

    • @combatbenyamin
      @combatbenyamin Рік тому

      I feel like I'm getting an aneurism when I check stuff on the fextralife wiki. Like they're literally just copy and pasting shit from the 5e SRD. Meanwhile I later learned about the community bg3 wiki and holy shit it actually doesn't waste your time and just provides you with the info you wanted to look up.

    • @silbury2325
      @silbury2325 Рік тому +15

      All so that fextra can artificially inflate his twitch stats.

    • @alexandrosmarkopoulos7557
      @alexandrosmarkopoulos7557 Рік тому

      No😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊🎉🎉

    • @alexandrosmarkopoulos7557
      @alexandrosmarkopoulos7557 Рік тому

      ​@@ChloeOHwowie🎉

  • @basedury
    @basedury Рік тому +357

    i feel like it’s becoming increasingly common for companies and elements of our government to respond to accusations with “oh no. nope. that wasn’t us, we didn’t do that. issue solved, thank you!”

    • @thevoicestoldmetoagain4627
      @thevoicestoldmetoagain4627 Рік тому +64

      "We have investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing"
      "Source: Trust me bro"

    • @rolux4853
      @rolux4853 Рік тому

      Welcome to a society that uses the word woke.
      America is dead

    • @ege8240
      @ege8240 Рік тому +12

      well not recently tho, this has always been the case.

    • @marianoxxo
      @marianoxxo Рік тому +3

      Recently these actions are getting caught, before they were working and issues were really solved that way. Now we like to keep them accountable and they have hard time adjusting. Maybe they will develop something better soon.

    • @kingkeesietv
      @kingkeesietv Рік тому

      @@thevoicestoldmetoagain4627another meme killed by people who over use it

  • @Nyhilist_
    @Nyhilist_ Рік тому +160

    Fextralife got accused of cheating and defended themselves with "What's cheating? I didn't know you can cheat here"

    • @Cyromantik
      @Cyromantik Рік тому +13

      "Bot? You mean like ro-bot? Like Transformers? I don't know what you mean!" XD

    • @Noelle0113
      @Noelle0113 Рік тому

      Average brainless NPC with no sense of self-thought:

  • @Zanian19
    @Zanian19 Рік тому +971

    I like that Fextra is finally getting the recognition they deserve.

    • @maolcogi
      @maolcogi Рік тому +13

      Their Diablo 4 builds were pretty good at launch, I didn't know that much about them before that though.

    • @sunsszs
      @sunsszs Рік тому +29

      I always visit fextra on monster hunter world because there isnt much wiki on mhw back then

    • @maolcogi
      @maolcogi Рік тому +23

      @ratchet2002 yeah I get that now. Didn't really know who they were before. I play games, I don't typically care about wiki sites or streamers.

    • @concerninghobbits5536
      @concerninghobbits5536 Рік тому +26

      My problem with fextra and fandom and sometimes a few other sites that used to be bigger is when they stagnate with a bad wiki. Its okay if its bad and unfinished at launch but keep working on it until its accurate and complete. There's a bloodborne wiki made for free by fans and its BEAUTIFUL and incredibly well filled out with detailed accurate information. I always found with dark souls fextra is one of the only options and kinda sucks even years after the games releases. Elden Ring seems better so why not go back to the older games?

    • @avidmomokayoitsumareader
      @avidmomokayoitsumareader Рік тому

      ​@ratchet2002 really? I found their resident evil guides on the ps1 helpful

  • @futur3anth0ny
    @futur3anth0ny Рік тому +820

    Seeing Charlie's happy clone every once in a while is nice.

    • @sup.blud.
      @sup.blud. Рік тому +1

      Lol

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.

    • @lemon40277
      @lemon40277 Рік тому +15

      ​@@ChrisShafferOfficialbot

    • @Potatwa_chipzz
      @Potatwa_chipzz Рік тому

      Took a break from video games for a sec to watch this video, Intro warmed my soul

    • @private_noise
      @private_noise Рік тому +4

      ​@@ChrisShafferOfficialL

  • @akhannar9368
    @akhannar9368 Рік тому +104

    The first time I became aware of fextralife's practices was a few years ago, when I was researching some weapon upgrades for Code Vein. I arrived at the fextralife wiki, and it was embarassingly barren (the game was out for like a year or two at that point). It was empty to the point where I questioned why they even bothered in the first place. And then I noticed the embedded chat, and it immediately made sense...

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.

    • @MattSuguisAsFondAsEverrr
      @MattSuguisAsFondAsEverrr Рік тому +6

      @@ChrisShafferOfficial its interesting how youtube would rather shorten our attention spans than delete these bots

    • @smiwey
      @smiwey Рік тому

      @@ChrisShafferOfficial I am yet to see someone mention the fact that this person has the pedophile flag in their pfp

  • @YoYoWasg69420
    @YoYoWasg69420 Рік тому +273

    Charlie's smiles feel very wholesome. Tbf anyone who barely smiles is wholesome when they do.

  • @cracklysilver9180
    @cracklysilver9180 Рік тому +378

    The thing is, at some point fextralife had some good advice, good guides and the misguidance of their page was more often than not a misconception of the game community as a whole, but a little after dark souls 3 release, their guides started to take a turn for the worst to the point where they are now, and it became even worse when they were acquired/did an acquisition

    • @Rynjinivar
      @Rynjinivar Рік тому +37

      Yeah, it sucks. The Dark Souls 2 wiki was a valuable resource for me going through the game but somewhere around 2016 or so the quality of their wikis just nosedived.

    • @Misanthropolis
      @Misanthropolis Рік тому +6

      I used their guides and builds for Divinity Original Sin 2 so often but they really did get worse. Have you seen their Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous section? Absolute incomplete garbage with grammar errors galore. Feels like each section has their own people and the DOS2 one is the best arguably.

    • @Wolvahulk
      @Wolvahulk Рік тому

      ​@@Misanthropolis yeah I remember that too. I used the wiki for a bunch of stuff in Dks2 and even for Dks3.
      Their Elden Ring page was horrible on launch though... I mean really shitty. A whole bunch of info was just fake, I remember them later on changing like half of some pages and still posting incorrect info.
      Usually it was quests and where to find items, it was frustrating. I don't get why they couldn't just, you know test the info, see that it's incorrect and just leave a note on the page explaining that the guide is simply incomplete.
      I wasted a lot of time on their site while playing Elden Ring following that incorrect info.
      With Armored Core 6 (which I'm a complete newcomer to the series unlike Elden Ring which is a soulslike.) I'm not making the same mistake, if I need info I look it up on YT and then on Google and I avoid fextralife because I definitely don't need to waste 1h finding out that I didn't need to do X to get Y but something else.

    • @InakaGames
      @InakaGames Рік тому +1

      They straight up copied a bunch of content from other smaller wikis and killed them with this kind of SEO gaming strategy. It's super toxic.

  • @SkullM
    @SkullM Рік тому +545

    When I got into Monster Hunter World, their wiki (at the time at least, which was after the game had already been out for a while) actually felt pretty solid and was genuinely helpful. Now that I'm playing BG3 closer to its release and want to look up some mechanics, I'm seeing that they are NOT consistent at all and decided to start avoiding them as best I can. Especially glad I did with all this info.

    • @roostworks
      @roostworks Рік тому +20

      Some games are very solid while some are absolute shit, seems like the inconsistencies are on a game to game basis.
      They had almost all the items from remnant 2 on the wiki within DAYS of release, and i thought they surely would put more effort and manpower to bg3 pages since its much more hyped and almost guarenteed hit. But noooo, its been 3 weeks and the pages are like some high school wiki project.
      Pretty sure the quality of fextralife wikis are just based off how much they can datamine on day one and move on to other games right away.

    • @Wolvahulk
      @Wolvahulk Рік тому +9

      Same here, their wiki is actually pretty good for older releases. Using it for Monster Hunter helped me a ton.
      However on release of Elden Ring and around a month or so of it being a new game Fextralife was full of completely BS information.
      I wasted hours on their guides only to find out that they listed the wrong NPC, or wrong location etc.
      I don't understand why they can't just test the info and if it's incorrect simply say the guide is incomplete which would be totally understandable for a game like Elden Ring on/near release.
      Eventually I just looked things up on YT. Today the ER wiki is pretty decent but I still try to avoid it and mostly use it as a supplementary source.

    • @SpacedogD
      @SpacedogD Рік тому +1

      They have plenty of wrong information for MH world back when they started covering it.

    • @zeening
      @zeening Рік тому

      sorry ton say but like usual charlie is misinformed and then misinforms a million+ people, that's a fucking WIKI... aka EDITTED AND WRITTEN BY FUCKING RANDOS..... you can literally see the history of edits on every page and who did them... i'm about as rando and a nobody as much as you can get and yet you'll find my name in the edit history of a lot of pages from like a year ago or shortly after the game came out because i personally added a bunch of info and fixed a bunch of incorrect info/horrible english on A LOT of pages,
      if you goto the elden ring page and look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol
      "Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... so if you find shit that's incorrect or not there and you DO know the info... fill it in and be a bro lol

    • @zeening
      @zeening Рік тому

      @@roostworksthat's because it's a WIKI bro... aka written and fixed by RANDOM PEOPLE not one central "fextralife guy" like charlie seems to think, i know because i've personally editted and fixed the elden ring wiki extensively
      look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol
      "Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... ya know... if you find mistakes or missing info... you can fix it too lol

  • @lanceams483
    @lanceams483 Рік тому +493

    It's crazy that an embedded stream still gives the stream a viewer. Always thought you needed to have the stream's tab open and also thought I heard that the stream needs to not be muted to count as a viewer. I don't use twitch very often, but I'm surprised I hadn't heard about this free viewers strat earlier, I feel like it would be used by more companies and streamers than a shitty guides website.

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому +1

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂

    • @DavidJayIndie
      @DavidJayIndie Рік тому +33

      @@ChrisShafferOfficial That doesn't sound hilarious at all.

    • @Istarelle112
      @Istarelle112 Рік тому +1

      I'd scam twich too, Fuck em, and the advertisers fuck em all.

    • @LazarNaskov
      @LazarNaskov Рік тому

      It's absolutely a thing, if you're curious I highly recommend Devin Nash's vid on what he calls "Legal Viewbotting", and it's a phenomenon I've experienced first hand. Twitch is totally ok with it, and I can tell you that streamers are ok with it too since it just pushes you up in the category for no real cost.

    • @CircusFoxxo
      @CircusFoxxo Рік тому +13

      OperaGX did the same thing but Charlie will never call it out

  • @blakespicer9234
    @blakespicer9234 Рік тому +30

    The "It's like falling into the backrooms" made me laugh so hard

  • @superboydrew
    @superboydrew Рік тому +523

    Fextralife: "Our sponsors are aware of the embed, and it's a great deal for them to be able to promote their content on both twitch and to our site users at the same time, particularly in the prime location that the embed has on our website"
    also fextralife: "No advertisements are played on the embedded unit, generating zero revenue"

    • @TheIrishMugFug
      @TheIrishMugFug Рік тому +4

      what about click through rate? Plenty of people probably join the twitch stream through that embedded link. A big number of them probably dont even have twitch accounts so that could explain the lack of chatters.

    • @Felrohan
      @Felrohan Рік тому +57

      ​@TheIrishMugFug the chat is dead because people don't do that at all

    • @Dexrazor
      @Dexrazor Рік тому +29

      @@TheIrishMugFug That doesn’t explain the lack of chatters because you can see the usernames of the people who DO have accounts and are logged in on their browser yet the chat is still dead because none of them are actually in the stream.
      The upside to twitch fighting ad-blockers is that anyone with an adblocker automatically has the embedded stream stopped when they visit the website. That made me happy to see when I was looking up some Monster Hunter info and misclicked the fextralife site.

    • @FL-Kaiman
      @FL-Kaiman Рік тому

      Its as convoluted as their walkthroughs

    • @EpochIsEpic
      @EpochIsEpic Рік тому +11

      They were likely referring to twitch ads not playing on the embed

  • @bigdamij
    @bigdamij Рік тому +239

    I think the issue just needs to be presented to share holders. As “active viewers” is something discussed in their financial guidance which will mislead them to thinking the company is more active than it is. Similar to why Elon tried to back out of the purchase of twitter.

    • @the_furry_inside_your_walls639
      @the_furry_inside_your_walls639 Рік тому +15

      Just expose the truth to advertisers and sponsors and they'll be sure to throw a hissy fit about it at Twitch.

    • @ebpthiccpapayas8724
      @ebpthiccpapayas8724 Рік тому

      @@the_furry_inside_your_walls639why are you dick riding sponsors? So wild

    • @ashroskell
      @ashroskell Рік тому +6

      Fextra just says, “But, what is this word? ‘Crime?’ I think that’s what you called it? How do you pronounce the word, ‘crime,’ for future reference? What is this, ‘Reddit Bot,’ of which you speak?” 🫣🤣

    • @ItsReallyGeo
      @ItsReallyGeo Рік тому +2

      I wonder what percentage of youtube is even real people anymore?..
      Last I looked, real viewers were already under half.

    • @gulagamelee4804
      @gulagamelee4804 Рік тому +7

      ​@@ItsReallyGeobut how do you check that? Asking outta curiosity

  • @cymaratechoverdragon
    @cymaratechoverdragon Рік тому +328

    The fact Twitch doesn't even have basic protocols that detect multiple tabs from the same IP viewing the same stream and doesn't register that as 1 viewer instead of 2 is utterly ridiculous. I've seen small streamers who only get 40 views on a good day ask their viewers to open multiple tabs each to boost their count over 100 so it can push it up in the category then have other people latch on to inflate the viewers further. On YT that's against TOS.

    • @Hangten460
      @Hangten460 Рік тому +29

      The bots are most likely running cookie gens, proxy’s and other work arounds to not have the same ip be pinged

    • @oopsmehbad556
      @oopsmehbad556 Рік тому

      Maybe you stopped listening but i believe it was stated as merely a theory that multiple tabs of the same ip leads to multiple views. Where was this some proven truth besides in your mind? I truly would love to see some kind of tangible evidence this is true. That being said fextralife is a trash website with garbage info and should remain in the dark corner they came from.

    • @sunbleachedangel
      @sunbleachedangel Рік тому

      Twitch is a shit show, what else is new?

    • @SliceyMcHackHack
      @SliceyMcHackHack Рік тому +6

      UA-cam counts each refresh as a view so if you open a bunch of tabs with a stream then refresh a bunch itll count each tab refreshed as a view.. Not recommending it but that is how it works..

    • @tyco1649
      @tyco1649 Рік тому

      They do, you’re literally wrong and uneducated on the topic.
      Literally anything can be said and upvoted huh? Lmao

  • @whichDude
    @whichDude Рік тому +78

    I never used actual Walk-through guides from them, but I always liked them for Souls games to look at weapon stats and requirements. Same with Elden Ring for item location.

  • @pinkanimositygaming
    @pinkanimositygaming Рік тому +340

    I felt the same about Polygon when it came to Tears of the Kingdom. Their guide was so bare bones even months after the game’s release. I ended up completing the game 100% and wrote down a bunch of completion tips for people at work who were struggling with the game.

    • @zeening
      @zeening Рік тому

      except polygon is a published website, not A FUCKING WIKI... my god how are people this god damn stupid, charlie included...

    • @kaneobscurum6016
      @kaneobscurum6016 Рік тому

      God yes. what's worse is their "Guides" come with a 4 paragraph preamble. When pomemon SV released I wanted to look up how the Terrastal boosts worked. Clicked the Polygon Guide and got an explanation of pokemons history with this kind of gimmick between Megas and Dynamaxing, only for the article to say "It makes your STAB hit harder, click on our other pokemon guides for more info."

    • @JustineLoveEstoveza
      @JustineLoveEstoveza Рік тому +9

      that's what you deserve for going into polygon.

    • @redcherry8137
      @redcherry8137 Рік тому +5

      You wrote tips for your coworkers?? Truly you are a legend.

    • @Squeeble00
      @Squeeble00 Рік тому +1

      Fextralife's wikis for more niche games are complete garbage and usually stay that way long after release. I've played the pathfinder crpgs quite a lot and the wiki for the second still has listings for items that aren't even in it, they just carried over the entries from the first one.

  • @deaconoob
    @deaconoob Рік тому +340

    I had no idea fextralife was so hated although I've only ever used it for dark souls and elden ring. Looking up where to find certain weapons and what they scale off of. I don't like guides so I never checked that section. They were a good wiki for picking the things you want for your own builds.

    • @slam6802
      @slam6802 Рік тому +39

      Their guides for Divinity and Baldur’s Gate are pretty good imo. Never used them for any souls-likes so I can’t speak on that

    • @dthomas7931
      @dthomas7931 Рік тому +75

      ⁠@@slam6802 I’ve used their guides for DS 1-3, Elden Ring, and currently Remnant 2 with no problem other than a few vaguely worded sections here and there. The rest of this stuff is new to me, and while kinda suspect, I couldn’t really care less in all honesty.

    • @Valanway
      @Valanway Рік тому

      @@dthomas7931 Honestly with how infamously shit and wrong the Des and DkS wikis are it's a miracle that some people are able to get even a modicum of use out of it. Vague guides are good enough when you don't need wholly accurate info like real numbers, I guess.

    • @andreigelaga4120
      @andreigelaga4120 Рік тому

      Their BG3 wiki is full of datamined/removed content, if you check many weapons/armor a lot of it is "where can I find this?" with no answers because surprise, it's not in the game anymore/you have to use an item spawner for it. @@slam6802

    • @apensalesman
      @apensalesman Рік тому +2

      Tbh I didn't even know the web page counted as a view since I always thought being muted didn't count you as a viewer. I thought I needed at least 1% volume to count as one so I always saw muted boring streams on the pages for souls games and just shrugged

  • @Downsider24
    @Downsider24 Рік тому +257

    Don't think I've ever felt horrified by such a wholesome smile before

  • @cicisshoecloset
    @cicisshoecloset Рік тому +83

    man. I actually used their guides for code vein builds and I typically avoid internet drama so I had no idea this was going on, kinda sucks just now finding out they’re problematic

    • @mattimeikalainen6963
      @mattimeikalainen6963 Рік тому +22

      Well its not that they are problematic to their audience.
      The info is a bit shit, thats annoying. Its not problematic behavior though,just frustrating.
      They are problematic when it comes to advertisers, because they are falsifying their numbers in order to get inflated ad deals.
      But that doesnt matter to you or me.

    • @Monkeyman-qt1sm
      @Monkeyman-qt1sm Рік тому

      @@mattimeikalainen6963 exactly, they really arnt doing anything wrong, and if I had my own twitch and guide website I would be doing the same thing, and even on the side of advertising, people are only assuming that the numbers arnt real. At the end of the day everyone is just guessing and throwing around numbers so?

    • @growingoaks
      @growingoaks Рік тому +4

      It’s sad that people just say “problematic” when they really mean “i disagree” these days cuz the words really lost its meaning to me.

    • @cicisshoecloset
      @cicisshoecloset Рік тому +2

      @@mattimeikalainen6963 yeah, I just kinda meant on the more general side of things. I used “problematic” for lack of a better word at the time just cause I didn’t put any thought into writing a youtube comment

    • @hibarikyoya854
      @hibarikyoya854 Рік тому +6

      ​@@growingoaks imo manipulating your twitch viewes and or your site statistics to be on top and they recently tried to copyright claim someone using a screenshot of game that happened to have fextralife somewhere on the screen can be considered problematic behavior

  • @Webo250
    @Webo250 Рік тому +26

    I think it was this week during the Wayfinder launch or a BG3 stream that I saw them JUST go live. They had 63k viewers on a 7 minute old stream.
    Absolutely no chat activity whatsoever. This is insane.

  • @childofanu7215
    @childofanu7215 Рік тому +170

    Peeve really queued me into how shady Fextra is. He's been singing it from the mountaintops for years and he's absolutely right. How Twitch just stands by is beyond me.

    • @meodrac
      @meodrac Рік тому

      And their info is so bad, and the "wiki" layout sucks ass
      Other than the boss/fight guide(which is hit or miss), they suck at everything else

    • @donsly375
      @donsly375 Рік тому +1

      Àaww

    • @stickguy9109
      @stickguy9109 Рік тому +1

      Àaww

  • @Slaiox
    @Slaiox Рік тому +101

    Thank you for this... really nice to see someone talk about this. As someone who came to the same conclusion after looking into their site for 2 releasees of games and only finding straight up false and poorly written guides I am just mad as a gamer that others do this to communities.

  • @wowdude4377
    @wowdude4377 Рік тому +22

    Pro tip, use an addon that blocks embeds. I use Operas embed blocker but I believe Chrome has add-ons that do the same thing.

    • @34veljko
      @34veljko Рік тому

      I think it still counts the view it just blocks the thing from showing up on your screen.

    • @wowdude4377
      @wowdude4377 Рік тому +2

      @@34veljko nope, totally blocks it out of the browser.

    • @aronhegyes5059
      @aronhegyes5059 9 місяців тому

      ​@@wowdude4377but does that actually stop the view count from going up?

  • @justanaverageferret
    @justanaverageferret Рік тому +27

    Started trying to avoid using their site years ago because i didnt like the layout and navigation, plus i found some flat out wrong things so i figured it unreliable. I never noticed their stream embed though. This is wild.

    • @zeening
      @zeening Рік тому

      that's because it's a WIKI bro... aka written and fixed by RANDOM PEOPLE not one central "fextralife guy" like charlie seems to think, i know because i've personally editted and fixed the elden ring wiki extensively
      look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol
      "Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... ya know... if you find mistakes or missing info... you can fix it too lol

    • @bloorb0569
      @bloorb0569 Рік тому

      It's insane how Fextras site is so bad that it lags my laptop harder than Ultrakill.

  • @jurajpavlovic
    @jurajpavlovic Рік тому +45

    FextraLife now puts their offline chat into Subscriber Mode so you can't check how many embedded people there are, truly a masterclass in scuminess

    • @IcyBlaze616
      @IcyBlaze616 Рік тому +11

      I got banned from their chat for saying, word for word no added insults or anything, "Why is the chat so slow with almost 20k viewers?"

    • @N3r0ThlHeavyMetal
      @N3r0ThlHeavyMetal Рік тому +1

      Why do you care?

    • @jurajpavlovic
      @jurajpavlovic Рік тому

      Why do you care that I care?
      @@N3r0ThlHeavyMetal

  • @mythical_pizza
    @mythical_pizza Рік тому +26

    I found this super weird at first because I started playing all the souls games after elden ring, like a rabbit hole of a series i was far too late to, and the guides were all fextralife and all "ok". like enough time had passed that i never noticed any "first" stuff, it had all been fixed. So i had a really positive outlook on it

    • @zeening
      @zeening Рік тому +1

      incredible... someone who knows what an actual wiki is and isn't dumb as fucking stump, HURRAY YOU ARE THE FIRST PERSON IN LIKE 6 PAGES OF SCROLLING TO KNOW HOW A WIKI WORKS!!!

    • @Saadkhan-th4bz
      @Saadkhan-th4bz Рік тому +1

      Same. When I clicked into this video I was really confused because I've always regarded Fextralife as the go-to site for builds, guides, etc. after having used it as a bible for all From Software games and even a few others as well. And I've always played these games after some time has passed since their release, so the content had always been solid. Only now am I finding out that they've been a black sheep in the community lol.

  • @MVIVN
    @MVIVN Рік тому +14

    I remember the first time I saw a Fextralife Twitch stream with 30k+ viewers but a completely dead chat I was so confused. I was thinking woah, everyone watching this must be concentrating really hard on watching this boss fight and very few people are typing lol. After seeing a couple more streams of theirs like that I realised there were some shenanigans going on with their numbers

  • @varenoftatooine2393
    @varenoftatooine2393 Рік тому +50

    Charlie, your content is always the perfect length for my bus rides, so thanks for making my commute more interesting

  • @xXimakidXx
    @xXimakidXx Рік тому +86

    ive thought all this for years, cool to see someone actually talk about it finally

  • @1ManRandom
    @1ManRandom Рік тому +203

    I will admit that I have found Fextralife’s Divinity 2 Original Sin build guides to be helpful. They’re apparently not terribly meta, but they gave me some guidance and inspiration. I hadn’t realized how scummy their Twitch practices were, though.

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂

    • @R3TR0J4N
      @R3TR0J4N Рік тому +16

      same here, i was helping people in the comment section for debunking stuff in early ER

    • @sondocyan5072
      @sondocyan5072 Рік тому +2

      I've not checked out their builds, but they provide a lot of information that was useful for crafting my own builds.

    • @wolflance64
      @wolflance64 Рік тому

      they also force out more useful guide wikis and whatever info they have they stole, everyhing they do is scummy

    • @joelhodoborgas
      @joelhodoborgas Рік тому +5

      Yes because their wiki is the first one when you google, then the community start populating with info.

  • @Leolovesyoursillyahh
    @Leolovesyoursillyahh Рік тому +18

    This intro needs to become a meme.
    When I saw it, it was like being reborn a new gamer man!

  • @jamesonflori1834
    @jamesonflori1834 Рік тому +253

    I always had my gripe about Flextralife and glad SOMEBODY is talking about at it that someone is no other than Charlie. This made my day.

    • @Nicolas_Cage_Bees
      @Nicolas_Cage_Bees Рік тому +14

      I literally just saw a post on the Armored Core subreddit a week ago or so that was talking about getting the mods to blacklist Fextralife due to the bullshit that they've done on the Baldur's Gate 3 subreddit which resulted in the mods there blacklisting Fextralife. Their bullshit wiki has completely overshadowed the much superior Dark Souls wiki that is much harder to find now.

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому +1

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂

    • @karmmaroo
      @karmmaroo Рік тому +3

      ​@@Nicolas_Cage_BeesThe issue is as well the Dark souls wiki doesnt have an appeal to players like me where the Dark Souls wiki appears more unorganized compared to fextralifes its shitty and shady and the Embedding/Viewbotting situation isnt their worst case. Fextralife is known in the ER community and Diablo community for stealing builds from other sources. As my comment pointed out their Sanguine Samurai Build is also on an Article from The Gamer. FextraLife utilizes a more Visually Appealing website, Buzzwords, Embedding, and Paying for slots above the offical Dark souls wiki

    • @kylekgh
      @kylekgh Рік тому

      I didnt know they where that bad, first time i heard about them was when elden ring came out, used a few of their builds and they worked and never really thought any deeper than that. Their site looked crap so only watched their youtube videos. Well the more you know i guess 🤷‍♀😅 t

    • @Felrohan
      @Felrohan Рік тому +6

      Asmon has been exposing fextralife for the past week. So much so that Fextralife has gone out of his way to curse at Asmon on stream

  • @owningchicken462
    @owningchicken462 Рік тому +103

    The only way it can change is if advertisers grow a brain and realize that they are being defrauded by this. It is like a bank saying they have x amount of money but really having significantly less. If advertisers realize that each view from this view botter is worth way less, they would give less money to twitch. But this will mostly likely hurt the whole platform because advertisers wouldnt know which view is real or fake and twitch aren’t exactly the most competent company.

    • @HerreraAlonso
      @HerreraAlonso Рік тому +1

      This can happen for lots of things and i realize this over the years, people and companies have been more inclined in saying this youtube channel has over a BILLION VIEWS , but whst that means i dont reslly what it means there people who just see a video for background noise, maybe the majority of people dont really pay attention towards the products that youtube channels are sponsored by, rhe demographic of the people watching, what numbers mean i think people really dont know how to read them, so things like this, bots have been going on for ever, youtubers have done it ,streamers, bussiness,its amazing how no many measures towards this have been done with the advancements of technology and peogramming in these years

    • @matlenaghan7488
      @matlenaghan7488 Рік тому +7

      Not being a dick but you're aware thats exactly how banks work right?

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂

    • @davidschmidt2081
      @davidschmidt2081 Рік тому +2

      That's exactly how banks work lol.

    • @owningchicken462
      @owningchicken462 Рік тому +2

      Yea probably not a great, example trying to pull something out of my ass. A much better example would be a company inflating their worth to investors

  • @pastaman2028
    @pastaman2028 Рік тому +159

    I feel both relieved and concerned when I saw Charlie smile

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂..

    • @quartdude
      @quartdude Рік тому

      NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY UA-cam! 100% REAL!! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

    • @dudeoninternetiguess
      @dudeoninternetiguess Рік тому +10

      God, the bots are out of control. First real comment though! 🏆

    • @zoppletee5400
      @zoppletee5400 Рік тому +4

      ​@@dudeoninternetiguesssecond human comment. We are on a roll.

    • @nascentKiller
      @nascentKiller Рік тому +4

      third human comment, the machines shall not win

  • @nilaier1430
    @nilaier1430 Рік тому +2

    10:50 And there I hoped he's going to talk about OperaGX controversy, but then I remembered who sponsor his watch parties

  • @MFobes
    @MFobes Рік тому +216

    Used to have mad respect for them as a casual gamer. Thanks for the enlightenment Charlie

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому +2

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.

    • @gurnwallace
      @gurnwallace Рік тому

      ​@@ChrisShafferOfficialbot detected im going into the mainframe to obliterate all evidence of your existence

    • @geccd_out_guntai
      @geccd_out_guntai Рік тому

      ​@tapp.on.my-pic78😊

    • @peteryeeterson5766
      @peteryeeterson5766 Рік тому +9

      You’ve been botted

    • @MFobes
      @MFobes Рік тому +1

      @@peteryeeterson5766 apparently lol

  • @kylegonewild
    @kylegonewild Рік тому +8

    For me the most annoying thing when I learned about this was seeing them in my "continue watching" or whatever section when I opened up Twitch one day after a long night of Elden Ring. Not only does it count as a view, it forces them into my recommended streams when I never had any intention of watching them.

  • @enderkatze6129
    @enderkatze6129 Рік тому +2

    I don't buy new games because my default assumption is i can't run them, so i'm immune to these idiots

  • @theantitroll
    @theantitroll Рік тому +31

    Charlie’s smiles so rare that he’s forgotten how to do it.

  • @Cringelord12
    @Cringelord12 Рік тому +127

    When Charlie said fextralife a chill went down my spine. Truly terrifying

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому +1

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.

    • @zoppletee5400
      @zoppletee5400 Рік тому +5

      You got hit by the bots, didn't ya?

    • @kamikazesopp
      @kamikazesopp Рік тому +2

      It gave me a chill as well, since now it's proven to be real, and not just a strange figment of my slimiest nightmares.

  • @CaStReEzY-
    @CaStReEzY- Рік тому +154

    The smile at the beginning brings joy to this world

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.

    • @quartdude
      @quartdude Рік тому

      NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY UA-cam! 100% REAL!! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

    • @anormalphantom130
      @anormalphantom130 Рік тому +5

      Bots when they don't get any interaction on their channels (they wasted 100's of dollars)

    • @F1N1T1
      @F1N1T1 Рік тому +2

      @CaStReEzY- My Goodness! The amount of bots in the reply section is remarkable! Flabbergasted I must say. But shall we not worry. Tea is on the way, shall we have some biscuits in the mean time?

    • @momerathsoutgabe-mt1gc
      @momerathsoutgabe-mt1gc Рік тому

      That smile is giving such Grinch vibes though lmao
      Jesus Christ these fucking bots.

  • @kadeskywalker8367
    @kadeskywalker8367 Рік тому +17

    I'm glad you're putting them on the spot too!!! ❤

  • @WikiED
    @WikiED Рік тому +8

    It's all nice and cool for Twitch until the ad companies realize and will start either lawsuits or use it as leverage for pricing.

  • @BatJoe12
    @BatJoe12 Рік тому +16

    I've never been hooked quicker on one of these videos than the first 5 seconds of this one

  • @forever0forever
    @forever0forever Рік тому +3

    “I didn’t know Reddit bots were a thing”
    “Wiped the servers? You mean like, with a rag?”
    Same energy

    • @aronhegyes5059
      @aronhegyes5059 9 місяців тому

      Man, this comment made me think about that Avatar way of the water bit where the guy makes a weird face and it has dad jokes like "Cargo space? No, car go road..."

  • @46PsychoFox64
    @46PsychoFox64 Рік тому +6

    The purity of that smile and the happy "Me too" lit up my entire day.

  • @Ryan-mech-muffin
    @Ryan-mech-muffin Рік тому +5

    That opening was so heartfelt.

  • @timmyreobed5043
    @timmyreobed5043 Рік тому +29

    I miss when most wikis were all individual fan sites instead of being absorbed into either Fandom or Fextralife.

    • @toxpov3612
      @toxpov3612 Рік тому +4

      generally the individual ones are always best too

    • @spheromancer_
      @spheromancer_ Рік тому +1

      Yeah, at least most bigger things have a seperate wiki nowadays.

    • @gameclips5734
      @gameclips5734 Рік тому

      @@toxpov3612 they aren't though, because usually they don't have the resources to populate them completely or correctly

  • @lordscrubbinton858
    @lordscrubbinton858 Рік тому +6

    For the longest time, I thought Fextralife was a community led wiki, where anyone could come in and edit the wiki to add or adjust information like Wikipedia, but I have been enlightened.

  • @manybonany
    @manybonany Рік тому +39

    A moment in history for Charlie to smile like that

  • @смрш
    @смрш Рік тому +18

    The only solution would be creating a separate category on twitch for such entities. Maybe pop them a notice saying "oh, it looks like your activity to viewer ratio is off balance, you've been removed from trending gor the time being". Obviously every stream can have it's downtimes so it would have to be persistent, say 2h straight of subpar activity or something and a more complex algorithm

    • @Dexrazor
      @Dexrazor Рік тому +7

      That would suck for streams with lots of lurkers.

    • @parzival9983
      @parzival9983 Рік тому

      ​@@Dexrazora small price to pay

  • @trumpthelastwallbender8126
    @trumpthelastwallbender8126 Рік тому +200

    Denuvo is a company that REALLY needs to be talked about by Charlie. They are getting out of hand FAST. For the sake of the gaming community, as many people as possible need to know that it is certainly the worst thing to happen to gaming since it's invention.

    • @aPopcap
      @aPopcap Рік тому

      Denuvo has kind of been a known problem for many years, majority of people finding it affects performance an insane amount, I think its more that people are just tired and don't bother with it as a fight, either the companies will keep or won't, sometimes people make files to remove Denuvo or deactivate it for some games, but really i don't think there is much in the long run that will happen to it sadly. I am up for people trying to fight against it, but it kind of seems like a pointless effort in most cases

    • @A5tr0101
      @A5tr0101 Рік тому +3

      I feel like preventing piracy is a good thing to be honest

    • @veneskym4979
      @veneskym4979 Рік тому

      How tf is it good? The only thing it's good for is triple AAA companies profits@@A5tr0101

    • @trumpthelastwallbender8126
      @trumpthelastwallbender8126 Рік тому +72

      @@A5tr0101 I can only presume you are trolling, but just to be safe i implore you to do your own research as to just how much damage Denuvo has and will cause. It is not the pirates that are the only ones getting "hurt" by them, but paying customers as well, probably even more so. Charlie has, as far as i recall, briefly mentioned that exact fact in one of his videos, exactly which one i do not recall. If you ever wish to play a game offline again, i suggest you stop telling yourself that this does not concern you. As far as whether preventing piracy is "good" or not, i can easily dismantle the argument that it is. If you wish me to, just say the word.

    • @qusairafie
      @qusairafie Рік тому +5

      ​@@trumpthelastwallbender8126I believe it was the jedi survivor apology tweet video. Or the golem one.

  • @AOW222
    @AOW222 Рік тому +3

    UPDATE: Fextralife, is in fact, breaking rules.

  • @goodIkarma
    @goodIkarma Рік тому +5

    i remember putting ungodly amounts of time into elden ring when it came out and looking for guides and information on their wiki and was dumbfounded when i ran into so much false information and missing information on their wikis. Yes they had something about everything but it isnt helpful when its just plain wrong. Also the builds they post are oftentimes very much the same build with a slight change

  • @NoName-tr3vs
    @NoName-tr3vs Рік тому +5

    I really found their wikis quite helpful, especially for the early dark souls titles. Haven't been on their site for a long time now, so i can't comment about current state.
    As for the embedded streams: i have put these little boxes directly to my adblocker, i ain't seeing them. Why would i waste network traffic for something so useless.

  • @jacksonfortune4570
    @jacksonfortune4570 Рік тому +1

    We need the Prima Games guides back like the good ol days.

  • @lopsided4623
    @lopsided4623 Рік тому +84

    Actually had no idea this site was either always hated or went downhill. I would absolutely purposefully go to Fextra back when Dark Souls 2 was still getting DLC. Always thought it was specifically a Dark Souls wiki site and it seemed decent.

    • @karlackk
      @karlackk Рік тому +23

      I'll keep going to fextra because the wiki is good and the UA-cam channel is great for RPGs content. I appreciate how fast they put the information on the wiki, even if it's missing some information, because sometimes I need just fast information and I can't find it anywhere.

    • @mintparfait
      @mintparfait Рік тому +26

      Dark souls was good because there were official strategy guides for them to copy and a huge community to edit for them. Every other wiki they've done has been largely disliked compared to the fandom ones or even wikidot.

    • @joeyn177
      @joeyn177 Рік тому +19

      They started as a wiki for Souls games and then branched out to tons of other RPGs. But they put absolutely minimal effort in all those other games and never bother to change the information if it turns out to be false or the game gets updated.

    • @onlineidssuck
      @onlineidssuck Рік тому

      Bro I thought I was alone... I was thinking "For once me and Charlie disagree." I've used the site multiple times and I have ran into information cutting out halfway but they do seem to be there first and with pretty decent content.

    • @omensoffate
      @omensoffate Рік тому +2

      @@karlackktheir last review was garbage lol

  • @X3R0N.
    @X3R0N. Рік тому +16

    His goofy smile at the start has warmed my heart

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂..

  • @cmac3530
    @cmac3530 Рік тому +5

    This seems like a simple solution: Just make it so embedded streams don't count as an actual "Viewer". Force them to actually go to the Twitch domain.
    That should be what Twitch wants anyway. They don't gain much as much from someone viewing an embedded stream on a different site as they would from pushing people to their own domain.

    • @alyoshamikhaylov7651
      @alyoshamikhaylov7651 Рік тому

      Like Charlie said. why would Twitch ever do that? When Twitch did a deal with some sponsorship / advertising, they charged based on "how many views".
      Twitch give 0 shits how the fuck the number came up from the first place. As long as they can satisfy the ads, they are getting paid.
      Dont hate the player, hate the game.

    • @cmac3530
      @cmac3530 Рік тому

      @@alyoshamikhaylov7651 If I recall correctly, he was referring to the streamer, Fextralife, being able to advertise to sponsors that they have "X thousand viewers" because of all the embedded streams counting as "viewers", not Twitch itself being able to monetize that.
      Twitch itself gains nothing from embedded streams. See the screenshot of Fextralife's response at 17:28: "Embedding is an advertisement of the stream to real people on real browsers on an external website. Like any integration, the objective is to get people to click and go to twitch. No advertisements are played on the embedded unit, generating zero revenue."
      Twitch needs to convert those embedded streams to actual page visits to gain any ad revenue from all those "Viewers", so, as I said they would benefit from pushing people to their own domain as much as possible.

  • @Cyromantik
    @Cyromantik Рік тому +2

    This is one of the reasons why I got out of the SEO game, I realized even my meager efforts were actively making the internet worse.

  • @DuarrMMKhuhu
    @DuarrMMKhuhu Рік тому +37

    Are you a Gamer??........... 😊............Me too

  • @agent56100
    @agent56100 Рік тому +71

    Finally, these guys have been jokes in the ESO community for ages

    • @FauxReal.
      @FauxReal. Рік тому +7

      Nobody uses their eso builds because they genuinely suck, everyone in eso just makes their own builds

    • @zimeron1
      @zimeron1 Рік тому

      Or just uses SkinnyCheeks@@FauxReal.

    • @pissdog3956
      @pissdog3956 Рік тому

      I was waiting for someone to mention eso and fextralife, their guides and builds are fucking garbage

    • @N3r0ThlHeavyMetal
      @N3r0ThlHeavyMetal Рік тому

      eso is a joke in itself lol

  • @Yuberu
    @Yuberu Рік тому +5

    Just like Charlie said... just like the backrooms you run into their channel, and when I randomly found their channel on twitch I was shocked to see this channel with so many viewers for a channel I never heard of.

  • @kuroiuzu9754
    @kuroiuzu9754 Рік тому +2

    damn wish I never got baited into watching this

  • @kevinoconnell2297
    @kevinoconnell2297 Рік тому +23

    Fextralife created some amazing videos for Elden Ring Builds. Watched pretty much all of them on UA-cam.

    • @Fustangle
      @Fustangle Рік тому

      @@freedmfe8934 and ? their wiki is fine. 100% accurate ? no, of course not but it's fine. How they increase the number of Twitch views on the other hand, is not.
      I absolutely love retarded ( politely put, low IQ impressionable users) subscribers or even...dare we call them, FANS of streamers where they just gobble up every piece (or almost) of slime is being thrown to them.
      @Charlie, seeing this makes me remember why I unsubscribed, the level of arrogance is through the roof with middle-range stupidity coupled with hypocrisy.

    • @Hunter-zf7rt
      @Hunter-zf7rt Рік тому +1

      Was able to create a crucible knight build from them

  • @VerhoevenSimon
    @VerhoevenSimon Рік тому +5

    Nice to see this being talked about more.

  • @Alonsuke
    @Alonsuke Рік тому +14

    This is what shadman/shadbase used to do, they used to have an embeded stream on their website which a lot of people used to browse and I believe it was in every page, that's the reason why they are still currently the 4th channel with most views in total, even when they haven't streamed since 2019.

    • @NeoGraena
      @NeoGraena Рік тому

      Clever Shadman.... that clever demon

  • @agent56100
    @agent56100 3 місяці тому +1

    I don’t think anyone noticed because they pulled it back so fast, but they tried to charge $5 for the Shadow of the Erdtree map for a while

  • @TheMetalfreak360
    @TheMetalfreak360 Рік тому +81

    I have a small fear that if this is not taken by the buds soon, it will cause another ad apocalypse where companies pull their ads because streamers in a vast majority viewbots.

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.

    • @aldoushuxley7087
      @aldoushuxley7087 Рік тому +2

      I’d like to assume the companies sponsoring the livestream are competent enough to know how this company’s streams and website work, and pay accordingly.

    • @handgun559
      @handgun559 Рік тому +8

      It's more shitty that ads are what makes our lives run. Advertising is so less prevalent in other countries, and it'd be better for us to do something about this hellish ad culture rather than care about numbers going up.

    • @smithynoir9980
      @smithynoir9980 Рік тому +4

      ​@@handgun559 Could not agree more!! Advertising is such a plague on humanity. I'd love to see a widespread adoption of banning outdoor ads (billboards, bus stops, side of buildings, buses etc) that is prevelant in many European cities.

    • @handgun559
      @handgun559 Рік тому

      @@smithynoir9980 I've heard it's genuinely depressing sometimes to leave the US, see far fewer ads, them having to come back. And in some places where they have no outdoor advertisement, it's really painful coming back.

  • @-JXYY5
    @-JXYY5 Рік тому +125

    charlie never fails to fill me up with information

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial Рік тому

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂..

    • @quartdude
      @quartdude Рік тому

      -🤖

    • @quartdude
      @quartdude Рік тому +2

      NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY UA-cam! 100% REAL!! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

    • @DaJodad
      @DaJodad Рік тому +8

      Ask him nicely and he might fill you up with something else too

    • @F1N1T1
      @F1N1T1 Рік тому +2

      @DaJodadIm Im not quite familiar with what you have posted my dear friend. This old timer is quite uninformed about the matter. Please fill me in perhaps? Oh my days.

  • @just-shaquille
    @just-shaquille Рік тому +4

    charlie smiled like those memes of dogs smiling, absolutely beautiful 10/10

  • @rol9408
    @rol9408 Рік тому +1

    Them saying they didn't know bots were a thing on Reddit is like when Prince Andrew said he doesn't sweat.

  • @Syphiriah
    @Syphiriah Рік тому +4

    As a small streamer myself, it's stuff like this that kind of put me off of streaming... One can only hope they get punished :/

  • @rastanamag59
    @rastanamag59 Рік тому +41

    The first time I heard about fextralife was during elden ring’s launch and their guides and wiki helped me a lot through my first Dark Souls-like game. I had no idea they committed all these controversies

    • @alyoshamikhaylov7651
      @alyoshamikhaylov7651 Рік тому +8

      They always the first one who make "min max build", early game build, any build guide for new games. For example, currently they do Baldur Gate and Armored Core.
      They do the cringe AI generated image of "Necromancer" and slap "Necro guide baldur gate"

    • @andreigelaga4120
      @andreigelaga4120 Рік тому

      Their builds are either dogshit or copied from their community too @@alyoshamikhaylov7651

    • @JM-Games
      @JM-Games Рік тому +8

      To be honest though, none of this is controversial, Embeds are a legitimate source of viewership just as legitimate as using the main Twitch page, Chat is merely an addon feature to keep viewers engaged and it doesn't need to be used, sounds like Charlies sipping on copium, if Charlie thinks that all of his viewers are sat at the desk chomping at the bit to watch his every move and hear his every word, he's wrong, a good majority wont even remember they have him open on a tab, it's literally the same thing.
      Most of chat is made up of children spamming "Notice me senpai" which doesn't add anything to the stream itself.

    • @dangerousfables
      @dangerousfables Рік тому +2

      It’s just drama for the drama channels. No one really cares.

    • @JM-Games
      @JM-Games Рік тому +6

      @@dangerousfables Hundred percent agree with you, it's just drama, I understand why Charlie does drama because it brings in the viewers but I much more prefer his gaming videos.

  • @Urapotato97
    @Urapotato97 Рік тому +13

    Charlie has the cutest smile a man could possibly have

  • @Kenosos
    @Kenosos Рік тому +1

    I've gotten so used to just mentally blocking out ads that I never even realised that was a twitch embed at the side

  • @myonwontstfu
    @myonwontstfu Рік тому +4

    Ds3 wiki was fine as far as I remember, but I only really looked up where to find/farm specific items for buulds I wanted to try out...before I learned to use CE

  • @bunny4205
    @bunny4205 Рік тому +13

    I'm trying to get into the gaming thing a bit as my twins start to get into the older games. Thank-you for this video. The first thing i do is google how to play the game.

    • @MemeL0rd13
      @MemeL0rd13 Рік тому +3

      Go in blind, google only when stuck. No tutorial either.

    • @zeening
      @zeening Рік тому

      then don't take his dog shit info as accurate because this is hands down the dumbest fuckin video i;ve ever seen from charlie, do you not know what a wiki is????
      that's because it's a WIKI bro... aka written and fixed by RANDOM PEOPLE not one central "fextralife guy" like charlie seems to think, i know because i've personally editted and fixed the elden ring wiki extensively
      look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol
      "Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... ya know... if you find mistakes or missing info... you can fix it too lol

  • @AZ3rgling
    @AZ3rgling Рік тому +20

    There is a downside for Twitch though. Advertisers will say 30000 viewer streams only paid x dollars, when it's really a view botted stream and it will eventually cause them to stop using Twitch and use ad dollars elsewhere

    • @someryebread
      @someryebread Рік тому +6

      Yep, this is the biggest concern with embedding. More folks need to realize this will eventually come back to hurt the entire platform.

    • @ebpthiccpapayas8724
      @ebpthiccpapayas8724 Рік тому +2

      Mega capitalists in the comments today. I get you don’t like the concept but twitch would be the first to cry if it was coming back to hurt the platform. Just say “I think this sucks” instead of gulping down the companies

    • @kristoffer3000
      @kristoffer3000 Рік тому

      @@ebpthiccpapayas8724 People are too stupid to realize that everything they hate in this world is caused by capitalism though, they'll happily spend hours listing things that are awful about it and then turn around and say it's the best thing ever.

    • @coolzoky
      @coolzoky Рік тому +1

      Advertisements work based on region and # of views from people in that region. 30k viewers spread across the globe is a drop in the bucket. Twitch has 26.5 million daily visitors. On average Twitch sees 15 million daily active users.
      The issue is more for personal sponsorships rather than for Twitch. More viewers being shown is better for Twitch as a whole, which is why they purposely enable embedded streams.

  • @PikaSaiyanZero
    @PikaSaiyanZero Рік тому +2

    I played Elden Ring a bit late to the party, and found the fextralife guide to be pretty precise and straightforward. That being said, I feel that ER is a game that is best enjoyed raw.

  • @xsision5513
    @xsision5513 Рік тому +79

    I wanna thank asmongold for being the most vocal person about this because he has never stopped hating on these people.

    • @Monkeyman-qt1sm
      @Monkeyman-qt1sm Рік тому +5

      Lmao asmongold is doing so much worse imo😂😂 these guys are advertising their own stream on their own website and someone that’s wrong, but asmongold has spent thousands in games like Diablo immortal just to “prove a point”.. yeah I think one’s doing a lot more harm then good here.

    • @Liferoxwow
      @Liferoxwow Рік тому +10

      @@Monkeyman-qt1sm you're comparing two different problems my man. You're comparing a viewbotting company, to a streamer with money and a community who decided to spend money on a cash grab game.
      A company using autoplaying streams embedded on their website to inflate viewer numbers is objectively worse than a rich streamer spending a ton of money on a trash game for entertainment and educational(showing us the game is bad) purposes.

    • @kalem1527
      @kalem1527 Рік тому

      His career is hating on people. He's fucking insufferable.

    • @jebalitabb8228
      @jebalitabb8228 Рік тому

      @@Monkeyman-qt1smyour opinion is both outdated and wrong

    • @Monkeyman-qt1sm
      @Monkeyman-qt1sm Рік тому

      @@jebalitabb8228 ehh saw him spend thousands in Diablo, nothings bribing him back from that in my eyes sorry

  • @FireLock49YT
    @FireLock49YT Рік тому +3

    Solution: I know you said Twitch has no incentive to do anything about this and I do agree with that but on the contrary, I do think they can do something about this without actually changing anything. It's simple: Twitch can make viewers who are watching an embedded stream not count as a "view." This still keeps Twitch's free advertising and shows off the stream on another website.

    • @Paputsza
      @Paputsza Рік тому

      no, twitch has an incentive, because a twitch stream on a random website is basically a free ad for twitch on that website. If a website really wants the extra clout by having a twitch ad showing what twitch does on every page of their website so people can click on it and make an account that’s fine. Even if the website gets paid for running ads to viewers twitch makes like 90% of that ad revenue.

    • @FireLock49YT
      @FireLock49YT Рік тому

      @@Paputsza That's so true, I didn't think about that but I still like the idea of viewers not counting as a "view" for an embedded stream. But I want to add something after reading your reply: how about Twitch counts those viewers who view an embedded stream as a "Ghost Viewer." It wouldn't add to the views that particular stream is getting, rather, it would still count to Twitch's Ad revenue. And as an optional addition, when a creator is looking at the statistics for their stream, they could see two separate view counts, one from inside Twitch and one from outside Twitch, but this would only be viewable by the streamer.

  • @madito5152
    @madito5152 Рік тому +4

    "Are you a gamer?" :)

  • @data66666
    @data66666 Рік тому

    PERECT TIMING i literally was ranting about this with my friends

  • @kcroz1104
    @kcroz1104 Рік тому +64

    charlies comment section never fails to make me go from smiling to frowning

    • @notimportant8643
      @notimportant8643 Рік тому

      Ikr it’s filled with lobotomites saying random dumb shit that has nothing to do with the video

    • @lordpeshwari8966
      @lordpeshwari8966 Рік тому +2

      too real

    • @LibraritheWizardOfficial
      @LibraritheWizardOfficial Рік тому +4

      Is it because of the bot hordes, the real people, or both?

    • @lordpeshwari8966
      @lordpeshwari8966 Рік тому +11

      @@LibraritheWizardOfficial both, mainly the unoriginal comments just my opinion tho

    • @SamsonIsBored07
      @SamsonIsBored07 Рік тому +2

      ​@@LibraritheWizardOfficialbots

  • @whittyd5122
    @whittyd5122 Рік тому +6

    We got Asmongold with their Embedding views and now Charlie on this. Good. World needs to know this company.

    • @gameclips5734
      @gameclips5734 Рік тому

      hopefully their wiki pages get more visitors

    • @whittyd5122
      @whittyd5122 Рік тому

      @@gameclips5734 Definitely

  • @stupidthoughts9635
    @stupidthoughts9635 Рік тому +5

    I used it when Divinity Original Sin 2 came out and their builds were great for that game. Havent really used it for many other games.

    • @BasedNate
      @BasedNate Рік тому +3

      They are my go-to for basically every game, I have not finished the video yet but the beginning has me highly confused. Thought everyone liked fextra...their guides are usually good. Unless there is some controvery that will be explained in this video that I am of yet aware of, i don't see the problem with them.

    • @ShaCaro
      @ShaCaro Рік тому

      ​@@BasedNatetheir wikis are horribly incomplete. The only full pages are either full of basic things like descriptions of cutscenes, or just straight up fake information.
      You ≠ everyone. The site is shit.

    • @Blackpapalink
      @Blackpapalink Рік тому +1

      Their builds really weren't all that great for DOS2. Mostly because DOS2 is very easily broken by just using Warfare.

    • @joeyn177
      @joeyn177 Рік тому +1

      Their youtube guides on builds are pretty decent but their actual wiki is filled with empty half-finished pages for most games. Example being the Pathfinder and BG3 pages having tons of placeholder info they just copy from the Pathfinder/DnD rulebooks that don't actually apply to the video game version. The state of wiki pages for WOTR has been ruined since they never bothered to update the wiki after its release and no one else could get a competing wiki popular enough to show up in search results. So now the only way to get good info on a lot of stuff for that game is reddit threads

    • @BasedNate
      @BasedNate Рік тому

      @@joeyn177 I mean, not to excuse them, but I kind of always understood the incomplete pages, especially on the less popular games. They deal with so many different games that it's hard to expect them to have complete in-depth information on every single aspect of every game. The more popular games like souls games and Elden Ring and such usually have complete wikis but I have come across the incomplete fextra pages a few times on less popular games. You have to remember too that it is a community effort, the more popular the game the more the community adds to the pages. If it were solely Fextra's crew who adds info then it would take an obscene amount of time to finish the games to find all the info possible and then update the pages.

  • @MrSchism
    @MrSchism Рік тому +6

    I've done extensive research on how twitch viewership works and it breaks down as such: you have a singe viewer agent. If you have 5 different streams open, you'll count as a single viewer for only one of them at a time. So, over an hour, you'll have been counted as watching each of those 5 streams 20% (ish) of the time.
    If you have 5 tabs open of one stream, each tab will only be counted ~20% of the time, but 5*.20=1.0. So yes, you'll count as a viewer in each tab, just not to any significant difference if they're all one stream.

  • @Zepher0987
    @Zepher0987 Рік тому +1

    I've never heard of this site in my life.

  • @daniellee4188
    @daniellee4188 Рік тому +130

    Man this was a culture shock for me. I used to read their stuff all the time; was always a fan of data tables and number crunching. I did not know of their shady reputation, and I'm disappointed that my searches were being skewed this whole time. Their wiki is very comfortable to navigate; it's a huge shame that the content I relied on wasn't accurate letalone ethical.... big L for me today :(

    • @Vapeurss
      @Vapeurss Рік тому +30

      It depends on the wiki. Some of Fextralife's wikis are pretty accurate, but usually newer ones for hype games aren't. They just grab whatever information they can, no matter how accurate, and present it as factual. Then when the game is no longer new or hype, they just stop updating the wiki and the misinformation never gets corrected. This wouldn't be a problem, but their wikis are often at the top of any search, so it's the first thing people see looking up a guide for a 2+ year old game. Older wikis for games that remain popular for a decade, like Dark Souls 3, tend to be pretty good. You are still counting as a viewbot for their Genshin or Armored Core or Warframe streams, etc, regardless if you care about their sponsorships or streams.

    • @Lezzyboy87
      @Lezzyboy87 Рік тому +25

      Whats unethical about stealing from Amazon?

    • @odobenus159
      @odobenus159 Рік тому +7

      @@Lezzyboy87 Incredibly based

    • @zeening
      @zeening Рік тому

      it is accurate, charlie is a fucking clown... that's because it's a WIKI bro... aka written and fixed by RANDOM PEOPLE not one central "fextralife guy" like charlie seems to think, i know because i've personally editted and fixed the elden ring wiki extensively
      look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol
      "Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... ya know... if you find mistakes or missing info... you can fix it too lol

    • @zeening
      @zeening Рік тому

      @@Vapeurss what the fuck is wrong with you??? are you that dense you don't know what a wiki is??? how is wikipedia written? just by 1 central guy?? NO BECAUSE ITS A FUCKING WIKI JESUS CHRIST... it's a WIKI bro... aka written and fixed by RANDOM PEOPLE not one central "fextralife guy" like charlie seems to think, i know because i've personally editted and fixed the elden ring wiki extensively
      look up redmane knight ohga... click the little ... in the top right corner, click history, you'll literally see edits from Zeeningg lol
      "Wednesday, April 6, 2022 zeeningg 14 added context to make him move or attack where/what you want." it's not 1 central guy writing the shit it's a bunch of people adding it as they find stuff and fixing stuff as they find mistakes... ya know... if you find mistakes or missing info... you can fix it too lol

  • @BraynDedd
    @BraynDedd Рік тому +30

    You know there's something really wrong happening when even Asmongold is right

    • @risknoodle9979
      @risknoodle9979 Рік тому +1

      I never really watched him before, why do people hate Asmongold so much?

    • @jebalitabb8228
      @jebalitabb8228 Рік тому +6

      @@risknoodle9979it’s usually people who don’t watch him that have a wrong opinion about what they think his content is lol

    • @reiroy
      @reiroy Рік тому +1

      @@jebalitabb8228 agreed. if you take him out of context he sounds very wrong but once you watch the whole thing you realise he makes some very good content with common sense

    • @Yattashi
      @Yattashi Рік тому

      @@risknoodle9979 he looks like a hobo so people think he's a goblin brained goblin, he actually has respectable and intellectual opinions