These Two Games are 9 Years Apart
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- Batman Arkham Knight released in 2015 compared to 'Suicide Squad' Game which released in 2024. Which one is better in your opinion?
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Game from passion VS game from money by investors.
The only difference.
money for investors
money for alien invaders.
Piracy still exists and hopefully will forever.
Nah rocksteady are just shit
All the original developers have left lol. Same with most previously loved company’s
So in 9 years they've achieved :
- Significant downgrade in lighting and weather effects
- No more extra time and effort towards animations and costume design
- That impactful weighted combat is now gone for mobile game tier combat
- The dark and heavy atmosphere is now a catoonish, goofy out of place feeling in characters and setting
That's just sad.
Edit: Ok so it's actually a fair point that both these games don't have to feel dark and heavy, my bad. However in terms of how much the atmosphere and settings are likeable and unique, I think the difference is more than obvious.
I think costume design is the one thing they did actually put effort into lol
The Suicide Squad was always cartoonish to be fair. Batman was supposed to be dark and heavy because it's inherent to the character. Also, this is set in Metropolis and not Gotham, two polar opposites in terms of looks. Other things are unforgivable but people forget this isn't a Batman game
Yeah, the atmosphere is meant to be different, but this doesn't even have an atmosphere, it's FLAT in terms of lighting, artstyle, everything. And the colours! It seems to be a trend they just make every special effect rain rainbow or something, but it looks dumb. There's not art in this, it has zero aesthetic value, or emotional value, or anything. It's just an overly expensive mess of a game. @@mrqeufeus
Not to mention that the characters suddenly started looking like the movie versions of the suicide squad… instead of, you know, the look and uniqueness this exact studio built for them throughout four games…
Also, they removed EVERY fanservice from Harley Quinn, and made her ugly.
Jesus the details on Harley's suit are so stark. She has creases in the old one, the little puffs of her collar look detailed, it has shine of leather. In the new one it's all flat.
As one should not call 911 to complain of spilled milk,
much more should one not say the Lord's name in vain.
To do either is braking the law.
Glory, Honor, blessings, thanks and praise to the Lord my God,
for healing my heart during a heart attack!
On March 26th 2022,
just past midnight,
I was laying restless in bed,
and I had a heart attack.
My arms and legs became tingly and numb,
then my chest got tighter,
and then my heart felt like it was being crushed.
So I sang out to God and Jesus,
about my pain, my feelings,
my faults and my inabilities.
As I sang, I began to feel like a river,
and a hand was on my back,
it's fingers where skimming the surface,
separating the waters,
causing ripples through my body.
Then the hand reached inside my chest,
lit my heart on fire,
and the heat moved like waves through my body.
When I was done singing,
all the pain was gone,
and I looked at the clock,
it was past 1am,
I had been singing near an hour.
Then the voice of my guardian angel called my name from above,
and there was a hymn of energy in the air,
the same hymn I hear in my dreams of God.
Hallelujah to the Lord my God for healing my heart!
Hallelujah for His son Jesus for saving my soul!
Hallelujah for every day!
Hallelujah for every breath!
The Lord is Faithful and true!
May the Lord Bless your hearts,
so that you have the will and strength to turn from selfish sins,
and flee from the slaveries of the flesh!
00:28 - Left one is the oldest? Im dead smfh
LEFT ON THE THE OLDER ONE?!
That's not the only thing that looks all flat on new Harley
@@U_C_G i checked replies to see this, can't believe it's not the first one lmao
I understand graphics isn't everything, but, clearly the older game has superior artistic expression. Is this the best that could be done with millions or billions of dollars? I want to see what talented and passionate indie developers could do with that budget.
theyd hire a team and make a studio and not be indie anymore, toby fox was very successful with undertale but is still making games in that style just better. money isnt gonna just produce a game
Most modern games that has been released in the past 3 years have this shitty art style where they make the graphics flat, facial expressions and details on clothes might be improved ut art style is just gone infact Arkham city looks better than this humiliating suicide squad game
@@grm9495 I may be wrong, but I think that could be attributed to the designers being chronically overworked in AAA studios, in a way that you don't see with independent studios; you can't make anything interesting if you're going through a nervous breakdown.
@@julientorres4459 most games these days are rushed because most gaming companies are getting greedy except for rockstar and naughty dog those are greedy asf but they make the most gorgeous graphics I’ve ever seen
Just proves how special the Batman games were. Reputations, years to build, seconds to pull down. Damn shame.
What are you talking about Arkham games are great nothing ruined it?
@@Kdoghalo Apparently It's supposed to be canon to the Arkham games, which is bullshit, although those games themselves are amazing, they fucked it up by trying to half ass it and tie it in to the Arkham story
@@kratosthegodofwar7961 exactly
@@Kdoghalo I guess he meant Rocksteady's
'Reputations, years to build, seconds to pull down. Damn shame.'
GoT Season 8 flashbacks
Suicide Squad kill the Rocksteady
Lol
lmao
From what i can tell, wb and sweetbaby inc killed rocksteady. The original arkham development team is gone and they've formed their own gaming studio.
LMAO, I better stop internet for today. YOU WIN MAN YOU WIN!
@@alecvip7562ah ok what is the new gaming studio called?
How did Joker get any villainy done with all that Harley cake.
Bc he is not a simp
@@abumansaray7 Reject crazy bitches. Embrace of claiming Arkham
@@abumansaray7he is, but for Batman.
He eat cake every morning and evening
I mean you have to have motivation, no?
0:31
A VERY noticeable difference.
BIG, HUGE, MASSIVE difference. Round and smooth difference, even. Very very very juicy difference.
Gyatt dyaum
Suicide Squad: Kill the Cake.
Right 😳
Without good shaders and reflections on the right pic, Harley's figure looks poor. As if she trading an expensive and stylish anti-hero costume for cheap circus props
so basically new game = no direct lighting, no ambient occlusion, 100% ADHD bait, +50% vaseline,
No Ass, generic walking, shitty story, disrespect Arkham by killing batman sidekick offscreen. Lame justice league death, virtue signaling, NO ASS!
@@derbyblade9572 how ASSenine!
@@derbyblade9572lol virtue signalling?
@derbyblade9572 actually Arkham knight has a shit ending
(I'm putting my explanation here since my other comment got deleted for slurs. How annoying, anyways the reason I consider Batman Arkham's ending shit. It's he loses in such a dogshit way, which would NEVER happen to Batman. He gives up his belt which has most of his gadgets in them, I say most because Batman SHOULD have other gadgets for lock picking in his suit just like in the animated series and the comics but no he doesn't then belt is the only thing makes Batman dangerous against gunmen then. Even though he doesn't NEED his bat suit to take down gunmen it just makes it easier, we see this in the Arkham origins cold heart Dlc. But he just willigly gives up on his life as Bruce Wayne all because scarecrow was holding a pistol...but scarecrow is ALONE WITH NOBODY HELPING HIM OUT, man! Batman is held at gun point! If only he could move so fast he could knock the gun outta scarecrows hand and knock him out at the same time!
(Referring to the Multi fear takedown which is Canon and I don't care if it's supposed to show the thugs too scared to shoot properly because he's still able to dodge bullets and rockets in game which both surpasses the speed of sound And he can't outspeed scarecrow? A Fodder who gets one tapped by Gordon? It's almost like he's forgotten like he's Batman similar to how Shepard forgets about his godly Charisma in mass effect 3 out of nowhere.)
@@vegetacultminorityhunteryou have a shit opinion. Ending was great
It would appear that Rocksteady have lost all their talented employees over the years.
Well the OG guys jumped ship during the game's development, now they just founded their new studio, something something star games i forgot
Ah yea, hundred star games i think
They did.
Rocksteady needed to fill those diversity quotas.
i would like to see their old group pic and new group pic lol. im sure you would see some patterns
the water in suicide squad looks like what my intestines feel like when i drink too much water.
I was bout to comment that it was pulsating
I think companies rely too much on dynamic lighting/raytracing nowadays when games had to be given lighting and shadows by the art directors, they had full control of how an environment looked. It doesn't help that every game made by devs eventually have new people, new engines to work with, new direction. I am not defending the game nor praising it, this is all pure conjecture as I do not know the hell the devs went through to even make these games in the first place, this is just my two cents.
Nvidia's newest tech is a blessing if AAA studios actually use it correctly. It's supposed to catapult already beautiful looking games, not make developers lazy to put garbage out for the average player.
In theory, raytracing should be perfectly realistic lighting. The problem is that the lighting needs good textures/assets to act properly. A lot of devs/studios that just want to spit out a game use raytracing as a crutch rather than a legitimate tool to enhance the look of the game.
@tyler1107 Even with everything else perfect, we're still not 100% there with raytracing. DLSS 3.5 has really promising results with Ray tracing, but there are still innovations being made in ray tracing technology.
@@VoidHxnter Oh definitely! Sorry, I wasn't very clear with what I meant. I was trying to say if we just assume ray tracing is perfect, it still won't be enough to make games look good by itself because good textures and models are needed for ray tracing to make them look good. You can't half-ass the art and hope ray tracing will save you.
@tyler1107 Ah, yeah, that makes a lot more sense. Yeah lighting can make make a game beautiful but it can't make it "realistic". Like Minecraft shaders, for example.
All the OG devs who worked on batman are long gone, it's a shadow of it's former self
Did they founded a new studio?
@@TP-yy3zx Heard they got "blacklisted" for some reason... Sweet Baby inc most likely is the cause.
Why does it feel like i could make a batman joke here but uhhh i am not creative enough for once so yeah lol
It’s understandable that having no project for a long time means no income forced them to leave the studio. I mean, 7 to 9 years is a long time
It’s a shadow of a shadow. I’ve never seen a studio literally destroy their own game franchise’s legacy like Rocksteady has. Honestly the way they did Batman was horrible.
The Harley combat comparison KILLED me
Right? The second one is so good as well, legit made me want to play the game, and I barely play single players except From Software games.
Batman games have melee combat as a core mechanic. Suicide squad is a looter shooter, where melee is just for debuffs, some abilities and finishers, there's no melee in this game as it is, something like melee in Destiny, mostly useless. So this comparison is bullshit. Also judjing by the interface , the footage is pretty old.
@@stasbelikov6326 batman melee is literally spamming two buttons and watching him fight lol
@@uberhuber7903that’s how u play? Man lol his combat is more than just that but okayyy buddy
@@uberhuber7903 still XOXO figgting game where batman mellevis main in battle as well as enemies. Beat em up. It a question of genre, not how many buttons there.
Even after almost 9 years, Arkham Knight still manages to amaze me by how well it's aged over time like a fine wine. Not even just graphically wise, everything about it screams passion project.
It's the game they always wanted to make but couldn't because they were limited by Xbox 360 and PS3 for the first 2 Batman Arkham games.
proof that art direction will always matter more than graphics
Eh it's also technical effort. There are lots of technical tricks that have been available for decades... but your average shovelware game is not necessarily going to use them because it's your average shovelware game. As opposed to when they were new and people were pushing the envelope as a new thing. It's not really artistic design, just more effort. It's an interesting thing because while you can say global illumination in an engine is more "advanced", there are old games that use completely baked lighting and shadows that looks better in linear hub levels, because they put a lot of effort into manually getting that effect right by hand rather than simply having it all done automatically by the engine. A human using all the technological tricks available at hand intentionally with hours spent polishing it is always gonna look better than someone just taking an off-the-shelf more advanced engine and lazily shoving assets in.
100% correct!
Great comment.
Not really. I mean it's not really a proof for your claim, despite art direction always superior to just poly counts.
But this is a case with the graphics being really bad on top. The texture work is bad, everything looks like it went to 5 instances of ai "enhancement", because everything just looks that smooth and soft, which is kinda ironic considering that the new game is most likely using more high res textures and output resolution and much better AA, but in the end nothing looks sharp, everything is just way to soft, even the gameplay. ;-)
Rocksteady really killed themselves with this one.
You mean Sweetbaby inc?
@@blamcheese Sweetbaby Inc. is one of the biggest enemies in the gaming world. I'm very curious about who's behind them and what their ultimate goals are.
@@blamcheese Who's Sweetbaby Inc?
@@Sunderland.312 Ultimate goal right here: W. Male Bad, W. Male must be punished, Female Good, Female Mary Sue, Female Perfect, Female need to look like a goblin for extra ESG scores. Hate our product? You are the problem, you are an -ist, and you are harming this world with your hate.
@@Sunderland.312there's probably some comically evil mastermind behind them, like Dr. Evil or something lmao
the debake on Harley’s cake is absurd
Dead😂
Sweet Baby Inc at work here.
SweetBaby Inc (woke writing/game consultancy) worked on this project, to 'improve' Rocksteady's ESG score. You can tell even with details as simple as moving Harley's bat so it covers her butt as she walks, as opposed to AK where it was tilted to one side because she's walking in a confident, show-offy way.
In AK the devs gave her animations personality, that included her awareness of her own nice physique. She flaunts it. But that's objectifying, says SweetBaby, because the player can look at it! Tilt that weapon way down so it obscures her butt! Let's remove those parts of Harley's character, turn her into a generic wacky girl with a blunt weapon. Then have her look at her old costume from those prior games and call it a "phase she regrets". So progressive!
it’s so atrocious, i feel betrayed
@@Hugsloth Well said
It feels like it’s against the law for companies to release a well built product nowadays 💀💀
As a former game dev, I tend to be extremely defensive of studios against Hot Takes. I opened this video with the intent of saying “These aren’t THAT different”…
But Jesus fucking Christ, you delivered a damning argument of the massive drop in quality. What the hell happened? This is horrible.
I have heard people say that they hope this is the beginning of the end of Triple-A live service games. I really hope that’s the case.
Excellent video you made here. 💜
Somehow the 9 year old game looks better.
Next gen my ass.
Next gen was 10 years ago.
Current Next Gen means: Unfinished games with promises of a full complete game 3 years later or so with battle passes and pricey microtransactions and add-ons.
They have literally no passion these days😂
Because the new gen consoles are a con the technology really doesn't warrant this to be a next gen exclusive Arkham knight looks like it would be harder to run.
@@Cyber_Smoke I saw a vid about a guy running this at 60 fps with a 1060 with fsr low settings idk what CPU he had tho
@@blamcheeseand also lazy devs. They are adopting technologies rather than the implementation of their creativity and even worse, most of the developers now using upscaling for the graphics, so that there will be no optimizations needed. Imagine playing at 720p upscaled and calling it as "next gen".
Those are the days where we don't have fancy graphics options called ray tracing or anything and still producing better graphics than today!
Fun fact: Batman Arkham knight came out in 2015 and still looks great in terms of graphics without all the RTX and other fancy crap that is added to almost all AAA games.
100% but the level of detail management is terrible you can see large sections of the map pop from low quality lods to high all the time, using no clip the area where it transitions is very small, they should of have the PC version an option to increase it.
@@robmorris4056 Is there a mod to tweak these settings?
@@robmorris4056Arkham Knight could definitely benefit from a remastered version with DLSS/FSR, etc. The game was simply too much for the graphics cards released at the time
Am not trying to defend suicide squad, but it's a multiplayer game, the quality can't really be compared to a single player
@@SilverJoystix re-release for PC please cuz the current version of PC is still horribly optimized that people still using that game as challenge for their beefy PC if it can run at 120+ FPS ultra settings well still unbeatable to this day lol
1:06 flowless transition here, nice job.
you mean flawless. or
flowlot
@@nickpancakes2630☝️🤓
Gliding in Batman AA was so wholesome I was gliding just for fun for hs back then
When you make something out of passion vs. when you make something out of greed.
there was passion behind that harley model alr
A model made with one hand vs a model made with two hands
A little bit of that, but mostly the studio just losin most of the talented people and wrong hiring practises
Batman Arkham Knight was so terrible on release it literally got a full country wide refund in Australia because it was completely unplayable and broken. Suicide Squad sucks but it is funny how short peoples' memories are and how easily rose-tinted glasses come out for a game that was literally bricked day one from corporate greed.
@@Tabako-san The launching of the game was messy as shit, but AK's story and gameplay were genuinely some of the best in the entire Arkhamverse - assuming Suicide Squad actually does take place in the Arkhamverse, which it might not be since Shark and Waller are alive, and Deadshot isn't white.
Can't believe it has been 9 years since SSKTJL came out.
Rocksteady really improved upon everything in arkham knight
I know it’s crazy!
This game is complete garbage. What are you talking about?
@@manikenpachi2760 do you not get the joke?
@@manikenpachi2760 Someone missed comedy school. Time to take classes bud
@@manikenpachi2760you must be fun at parties
the cut from the very versatile batman battle to harley repetitively smashing a guy with a bat using the exact same animation is humorous to me
The game is intentionally played incorrectly at 2:41
nah bro that's an infinite
One looks like a proper AAA title, the other looks like a mobile app bootleg.
You know mobile game in 2020 can run better graphic if you have a gaming phone. 😑 I am having problem on comprehenting.
Even modern day mobile games look better then this lol
and yet budgets are exploding. games are looking worse and getting more expensive to make... some body is getting robbed.
Don't forget that Arkham Knight was released in such a mess on PC that they had to pull the game from sales until it was in a somewhat playable state.
@@Kpazzit was unplayable, true
But still, looks way better
It's crazy how a 2015 game can be more beauty than a 2024 game
My entire feeling when comparing Halo 3 to Halo Infinite.
The entirety of halo infinite had me bored compared to how H3 made every mission stand out
Halo is boring in general @@zahylon5993
Simply because the author lowered graphics to manipulate you
-it's crazy how 2015 was 9 years ago-
@@airouminami
Nope your lying out your ass. It does look that bad.
Harley had some cheeks in Arkham now she has a really long back
That Batman game looked great. It's amazing how much games have improved in 9 years.
i dont think you get it, the batman game (arkham knight) is the older game
@@a2tv615have you noticed the “improved in 9 years”? That means Batman Arkham Knight is ahead of its time
How the hell does Gotham City look more full of life than Metropolis
Cuz they actually tried back then
lol because in Metropolis most of the civilians are dead? It’s literally the plot
To be fair brainiac did invade
@@dad691 Scarecrow: *Am I a joke to you?*
Lighting
Also unrelated but when this guy runs suicide squad he's running on the worst possible graphic settings. Still though arkhams Lighting is PEAK
that harley suit was next level in Batman arkham knight
I prefer her outfit on city, but yeah Arkham knight s was great too
@@alandanger6285I think he meant the detail not the design but I liked all the Harley outfits in the Arkham era
@@alandanger6285it's not about which is more stylish it's about which one is more realistic, can u see?
@@What-kc4ki no, I can't I'm actually blind.
@@What-kc4kiwell damn the man just expressed his opinion? Literally didn’t even mention anything about one being more stylish than the other lmao can you read?
To me, the issue seems to be lighting. For whatever reason, suicide squad has no contrast at all making colors and textures look flat. Batman is always nighttime and wet, so everything has reflections and specularity so there's a lot more visual complexity in a scene. I'm sure the detail is there for the textures in Kill the Justice League, but they are doing a terrible job of showing them off.
they nerfed harleys cake... oh and also they nerfed the justice league too
Not only that. They put more work in the animation in Arkham Knight
they killed arkhamverse bascally
Also filled it to the brim with Phase 4 Marvel humor, just what we always wanted.
@@2bnator are you blind?
Niktek is Walking fast but if you look close the anatomy of the characters and animations are far superior in SS.
@@coffee7180which nobody fuckin wanted? Nobody except obese women want accurate body shit bro. Videogames aren't real life that everything needs to be a self insert to make a minority happy
2015: Baseball bat doesn't block ass from being seen.
2024: Baseball bat blocks ass from being seen.
The future is mistake.
I think the point was that her model in Knight had better lighting than in KTJL. Notice how her suit shins in light in Knight.
@@sibel9272 No visibility for ass? Game is ass.
@@sibel9272 And the ass :P
Thanks, Captain Obvious. Man, you are devoid of humor completely. @@sibel9272
What is this comparison lmaoo
I play games to se the graphics, not to see their asses
I get it's different dev teams, but how does a game that's practically a decade older look THAT much better? (Honestly, the graphics are still stunning by today's standards)
The switch from Batman combat to Harley Quinn sent me 💀
They did Harley dirty, in an Arkham Knight DLC you can play as her and she kicks ass
Oh, nvm this video shows it
@@cooliostarstache5474that’s crazy man, most games are evolving… but backwards 😢
@@DJ-Vixo Goodpoint! You could say they're devolving instead. It's a shame😑😒
Literally like why are the enemies bouncing 10 feet in the air when you hit them with a bat?? That’s just goofy.
@@DJ-Vixo Graphics: Worse. Story: Far worse. Gameplay: Far far far worse. Microtransactions: SO MANY MICROTRANSACTIONS
The industry deserves to burn
The Arkham games had this dark creepy atmosphere which really sold it for me they felt like proper batman games
yeah, imagine if we gotten a Arkham justice league game,
Agreed, especially the dark urban decay of Arkham City.
not creepy, gothic, because y know... "goth"am.
but the first one was a bit creepy tho, because of the Asylum.
@@snowdude8583 wouldn't work the justice league don't play or fight like batman
@@Hardracist what about characters like Harley in the Arkham game, they played different from batman
This is like watching Thundercats and Thundercats Roar.
That's rough when put side-to-side.
It's really bad when it got almost a decade of advancement in it's favor and the only good thing to say about it is that "at least it's not a repeat of Batmans launch performance on PC" scandal.
Art vs a product they just wanna sell. From what I see, no feeling, no soul. Just like most games these days.
what about palworld
50 50@@zhanny4865
No feeling and no soul. The perfect game for Gamer Whales and Shills.
Palworld is not a game. It's a glorified asset flip currently filling the void in the gaming news cycle. As soon as Nintendo announces anything, it will be instantly forgotten@@zhanny4865
Despite Palworld being called a pokemon rip off, ultimately it does several things better and has a lot of heart in the little details.
For an early access game it runs better than both Ark and Pokemon, and prioritizes FUN over anything else w/ no microtransactions in sight@@zhanny4865
bro, they took the term "Suicide Squad" to another level
That grappling hook transition was sick
Seeing these modern games with their highly advanced graphics, there is one common thing they are always missing, and that's an understanding of lighting. Games coming out lack proper reflections, deep blacks etc. which gives off that matte colour look that we see nowadays.
Funfact: Arkham Knight is running on a modified version of unreal engine 3 due to budget contraints. That just tells you how commited the old Rocksteady team was to their craft
I think they also were more comfortable working on their in house modified Unreal 3 than switching to the brand new and untested Unreal 4. They had built Asylum and City on Unreal 3, and instead of throwing all that work out to start working on Unreal 4, they kept with what they already knew.
Maybe budget constraints is the wrong way to describe it. Unreal Engine 4 was very unproven at the time and also had a lot of issues until later in the engine's lifecycle.
It was actually unreal 3.5 so basically unreal 3 with some features from unreal 4’s beta at the time. But overall it was modified and probably better than current unreal 4
Never heard about this budget thing, what's the source?
@@Bugplanet8840 thats super intresting stuff, thats why it was always beyond me how was a "unreal 3 game", didnt make any sense, but the art design is probably the best aspect of it
For a long time people including myself criticised Arkham Knight for having a shallow story and too much Batmobile gameplay, as well as presenting a small Gotham City with short buildings. Now I realise we were blessed to have this game.
😢thx man.
Knight was good the pc port really ruined the game’s reputation and it wasn’t rocksteady fault to begin with it was WB fault. I really like the tank battles but that’s my own opinion. Story in knight was good but had many flaws and wasn’t all that big but it still was a pretty good story and is way more better than suicide squad story.
The story was perfect it’s just the boss fights for me
@@cantsuggestareasonablename9101 Newsflash, PCs are not made for games. Every other multiplatform game that comes out on PC spends a few months broken with poor performance. PC is for working, consoles are for gaming, console's architecture is made for games specifically. PCgamers will hate on a game not because it is a bad game but because their platform of choice is stupid.
Arkham Knight was the start of the end of Rocksteady
Man it’s amazing how much graphics got better from that suicide squad game to the Batman game, you can really see the 9 years of technological improvements…
YES, i came for the thumbnail and it didn't disappoint 😌
Ah the crisp sound of Batman's cape...
It is oddly satisfying listening to that thing flap around.
AK sounds so lively, SS always sound so empty and lifeless, the sound design is awful, like it's missing so many effects and environmental sounds to make the world feel alive. It sticks out like a sore thumb in the cutscenes, like watch the first handful of cutscenes for both games and notice the lack of sounds in SS.
Ayo 💀@@stuarteaston1629
@@blondfossyeah I thought this also, every single cutscene there’s no other audio than the people talking, no ambient noise whatsoever
Techincally the sound is might not be crisp. I would expect crisp sound to be like a crispy potato chip sound.
Eh ignore my ramblings, I get your sentiment.
Not sure what is happening with modern games but seems like we have lost the technology to create shadows and the color "black"
How very true.. Just compare the batman games awesome lighting and contrast to suicides washed out dullness.
@@anthonyclayton8283 Yea, think about how many recent "AAA" games have this "look". Starfield, Forza Motorsport...It's like they took the progress in photorealism we made in the last 20 years and just said "screw it" and left an AI design the lighting, HDR, shaders...Games used to look like this when you disabled the shadows and HBAO back in the day...
@@Pupixario @Pupixario Dude don't disrespect the AI like this, it doess some insane lighting with the pictures it generates.
They hire people who don't care about games to do the lighting now. You know, the kinds of people who will whine and cry and act like they are being tortured if they work overtime.
@BlazingOwnager it's insane how you guys have turned against the workers now.
At first I thought what’s the matter with this video. Older games just didn’t look so good back then until I realized Batman is the older game. lol
old devs are dedicated to their job but now the devs are only seeking for the money
Something i learned a while ago is that is always important to see the staff behind the proyect rather than the studio name
seriously, the studios are good...but the staff are the actual talent
Which staff in particular are you talking about?
@@coreybertelsen7689 artists, technicians, and people that do the real work
@@coreybertelsen7689 You know.
@@coreybertelsen7689blue haired woman
I refuse to believe both were made by the same developer
😂😂😂
Technically yes as it’s Rocksteady, but also no do to half of the original team left because WB only wanted them to make Batman games when they wanted to expand the Arkham verse by making a Superman game. Then the rest of the OG team left during Knight because of studio meddling that lead to Bat-Tank combat and Jason Todd being the Arkham Knight. The Rocksteady that worked on Suicide Squid is the yes men WB hired to replace the Original Rocksteady.
@@Deviant-Strategic-Assassinsuntrue, when the credits roll you can literally see that almost the exact same team worked on this game and Arkham knight. The people you mention didn't leave before the game, they left after creating it therefore this game isn't the first game from "new rocksteady", it's the last game from "old rocksteady"
@@mncrft3386then what happened
@@MaticTheProto Their talents were wasted on live service and setting up currencies/store.
Are these examples seriously the same resolution? SSKTJL looks like its 1080p while Arkham looks like its 4k.
Well I think Suicide Squad had to deal with the hardware limitation of the time so of course the enviroment is a little bare. Also the combat was a bit ruff, but I'm glad that Rocksteady in 9 years managed to find the right formula in Arkham Knight! Oh... Wait...
They even downgraded Harley's ass😭😭 is nothing sacred anymore???
I don't know about that 😂. I think they mainly just removed the latex shine.
That being said, censorship of "sexual" imagery has gone out of it's lane. Like yes, there is such a thing as sexualization where there shouldn't be sometimes, but the media nowadays is acting like big-booty women don't actually exist 🤣.
As if it's wrong to portray a female character with a big round behind, because it's "always sexualization". No the f*ck its not. Girls with big rear-ends DO EXIST, and that's just how they are structured. Nothing necessarily sexual about that.
@@mattdamsel2176 this whole talk of "sexualisation" is ridiculous when almost all women on earth have onlyfans and slut themselves for money while loving all the attention & simps they get then if a fictional woman is sexy then its problematic
I’m glad, pls less sexual shit in games, bc it never involves naked men ever? It’s always sexy women this and that, like it’s made for men only it’s gross
I know, right?
@@mattdamsel2176 That does count as a downgrade.
RIP Harley's cake
Furry
@@impulse_76yes. It appears that they are indeed a furry
@@impulse_76but rip Harley’s cake regardless😂
Of course. We went from 'Women should be allowed to wear whatever they want' to 'Women should never be looked at no matter what they wear'.
Reverse BBL
With Batman Arkham Knight, I could feel the seriousness of the game. With this new game, I can feel the seriousness of the problems in the gaming industry.
Harley Quinn from 9 years looks bloody fantastic.
That's always the one thing I'll give Arkham Knight: for all of its faults, it's still hands down one of the most gorgeous, carefully constructed environments in video game history. The fact that it still looks this good almost 10 years later is nothing short of remarkable
a bitch to run i had to wait till i upgraded my pc to play it, i had 750ti, at the time of launch i waited about a year till the 10xx series launched and bought a 1070 and even there i had to modify stuff to get it fluid
I dont know you man, but it work amazingly in xbox one wich tbh wasnt expensive at the time, 750ti is just low standards my friend@@enriquedossantos3283
Yeah, no, this isn't about Arkham Knight looking good. Suicide Squad is just bad.
@@XialohBut it looks good lol what's ur point
But both games look good?@@Xialoh
It’s crazy that both games were made by the same studio. Went from being a team full of passionate devs to a team that was taken over by greed from the executives. No wonder rocksteady’s founders decided to leave
Studios change management and staff members all the time, whomever was working on Arkham 9 years ago, probably isn't with the company now, unfortunately.
Not to mention goals of the execs/management changes, back when Arkham came out the focus was a high quality Batman game, now it's a live service cash grab using Suicide Squad to sell the game.
@@Naijiro I agree one hundred percent with you. The whole executives part was what I was referring to when saying the studio was taken over by greed
Yeah exactly right. They are sadly only Rocksteady in name only and that's it. They may as well just say it was made by "Warner Studios".
@@Naijiro Studio names are Just brands used to sell games. The people that works there are what makes the game good.
Just because then same studio made the games doesn’t mean it still have the talent 10 years is a long time a lot of the talent left or passed away. Some founders of rocksteady left in the middle of this “new” game development
Post processing and art direction go a long way in perceived graphical fidelity, as a 3d modeler, we've also not experienced all that much of a dramatic increase in raw graphics horsepower in 9 years compared to previous growths, higher polycounts and higher res textures aren't as noticeable as the jump from a few polygons to a thousand were back in the 2000s.
I dont know which one came out first so i was just kinda assumed that batman was the newest release.
Suicide squad's graphics isn't the worse but when compare it to batman it's like comparing gold to a gold shit.
Harley jumping if a 70ft buliding and just casually walking once landing is the most absurd looking gameplay ive seen in awhile
*It's a video game. Get over yourself clown*
Not even Batman in any of the Akham games could pull off something like that without relying on his cape.
That was disturbing for me too
Cat woman did that first though?
@sdsartor1942 did she?? tbh tbh, I don't remember that, though? tbh tbh,.
Modern AAA Gaming is a mistake that needs to be corrected.
Nah, let it burn as we need new cowboys in town instead of 2 decade year old studios. Their time to shine has long since passed. Nice username? Dutch or German?
That's exactly what people were saying in 2015 and before.
Is it possible that perhaps some of the AAA games and just games in general are actually good while others are terrible and that's how it always was and always will be?
@@MaoRatto Yeah, you got a point. We won't see any positive change coming from these veteran game-development studios that are basically just empty shells without meaning anymore at this point, belonging to some investor like embracer group. And thanks! I'm german :)
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 I can see words perfectly. xD
If these companies are empty shells, their days at the target range. No more shooting for success anymore.
To me I see no point in being upset at these studios, but laughing at them burn as I hate these companies and studios shlong[riding] their legacy titles. Seriously Naughty Dog? Republishing Last of Us "part 1" twice in a decade. Honestly the latest and greatest games are now made by the small man and not some big studios. Just remember that Minecraft was once a game developed by Notch and now look at it now. It's just clogged up with too much grease in its pipeline thanks to this corporate studio buying shlock.
To be blunt, I think that visuals have gotten worse since 2014. Developers used to squeeze their games like lemons to get every ounce of good presentation, good art direction, and just play nicely.
If I see signs of a developer being bought out, I just quit playing their game. I quit Skullgirls back in 2015 as I knew the developers would censor a DECADE later! XD
Preach it! 🙌🏽
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Everyone hating on SS like it was meant to be the next Arkham Knight. That was NEVER the case, the only thing is that its the same studio. The game is fun, and packed with shit to do. The movement, graphics and story all good. The shading in Arkham Knight fits the tone and the game itself, doesn't mean the graphics are better because they aren't. There's a SIGNIFICANT improvement. And if that isn't the case, SS is so much more graphically demanding. For an open world game with enemies EVERYWHERE, i honestly thought the graphics weren't going to be like they were. You can't sit there and say they're shit because they just aren't.
They are two completely different games, the details are fit to match each game. The small things are noticeable but they shouldn't be a factor since they are both different games. Arkham Knight is single player and less arcady, of course the details are "better", the game is meant for that, players have the time to notice the details because that game is made for that. SS isn't, it's a arcady movement game which is 4 player capable. No one is going to be sitting around looking at creases in a suit or the lighting differences when they are constantly shooting at shit and moving around everywhere. In Arkham Knight those chances are frequent.
As someone who had no knowledge of either of these games, I genuinely thought the second one shown was the newer version and the low graphics lookin one was the one from 9 years ago. Really shows the passion put into the first one…
It feels like SS has no shadows on any objects.
it has an over-saturated filter to compensate for this, but consequently very low contrast (resulted in lighter shadows and less light-to-dark differentiation). Contrast makes things pop and can make otherwise dull graphics look gritty and detailed. The second game was obviously going for a lighter, more playful look but in some areas it just doesn't look right. I also don't understand the unnecessary atmospheric fog affect, it makes things even harder to see in front of you.
To add to this, it looks fine during the day because the colors are a lot more visible under the light but during night time the low contrast makes things significantly harder to see.
Isn't SS mostly missing shiny reflections that pop out?
That's the price you pay for every game having "upscaling in mind" nowadays. How can you afford shadows and ambient occlusion when you cant even afford to run the game at native res anymore?
@@kristoffseisler2163 Even aside the shadows and ambient occlusion, at a base level, suicide squad is STILL visually inferior on so many levels. Stop trying to ignore the REAL issue, which is laziness and mass cost-cutting despite the industry being more profitable than it ever was before.
The long and short of it is, budgets balloon, they charge more, fill it with microtransactions, and what does the end user get? An inferior product.
Remember when we did this with Gotham Knights and Arkham Knight. Good times.
All they do is hate on everything. I don't understand them.
@@Batman-ps4omThis is a significant downgrade from the other games
@@Batman-ps4om Sorry that gamers expect games to look better as time passes, not worse. What unreasonably high expectations!
@@Batman-ps4omI know right, I don't understand how people bitch about a 2024 , $70 Game that looks worse than a $40 Game from 2012 , while it spits on it's long time fans, literally unthinkable
@@xLuis89x Batman Arkham Knight costs 7 to 8 dollars
Developers : “We need more powerful hardware to make games look worse.”
The Arkham games are timeless and on another level.
Every photographer/cinematographer knows - it`s all about the lighting.
It really shows the contrast between a game made with love and a game made for micros and daily logins.
What's funny is the SS lacks contrast in the visuals.
@@ResidentReveler so does every game released on every console since 1997. Learn to adjust the settings on your monitor / television
@@fredcasdensworld Nope. Nice try. But you failed.
@@ResidentReveler Lmfao. I don’t even know if he’s being fr but tf do you mean “you failed” 😭
he wasn’t trying to checkmate you, it was advice.
@@CenoriaWoah It was passive aggression. He meant "It's not the game. It's your fault"
i knew shit was bad when they nerfed harley's cake
Modern Gaming with feminism involved is great!!!! (no cake for you) - someone in rocksteady
@@arts7041 Sweet Baby Inc 🙄
Her jiggle physics were something else ngl
They nerf her whole posture, why does she walk slouching?
@@arts7041 cry some more
unironically comparing graphical fidelity through cherry picked examples is something I'd expect from eternally developmentally arrested gamerdom
0:54 - Harley leaps off the side of a 5-story tall building with the exaggerated swagger of a 2020s feminist girl-boss whose plot-armor prevents her entire skeleton from exploding upon impact with the pavement below.
Even the floating scrap of paper had more texture 9 years ago.
they had physics and interacted with the environment and characters back then
@@Obukhov_Artem That was one of the things that blew my mind when I played Arkham Asylum at release and I honestly don't think we've seen it done since then either.
*Friends, I did 11 one arm pull ups, please support me*
It’s unbelievable how good Arkham knight still looks. No wonder it was so busted on PC when it launched. Truly ahead of its time
And it was a early years PS4 game and still holds up to this day. Wild.
It was just poor optimization on their part. The game ran fine in weaker consoles vs PC. Same thing happened with The last of us.
I had Arkham Knight in PS4 and PC when it was fixed so i never really had a problem.
Arkham Knight looks barely better than a City and TPP and TW3 came out the year after and actually ran well on affordable hardware at the time.
@@BlueLightningSky knight looks better now after all fixes
@@BlueLightningSky good bait
It's Evolving, Just Backwards
I still have that game under blister in perfect new conditions since I bought my ps4 in a batman arkham pack, this video made me realize I probably missed out on a very good game but now, I just don't have the time to start playing it
The Suicide Squad game has a really almost low budget spin off feel to it
Yet somehow the cutscenes seem very high production. Feels like the game was made in another studio meanwhile the cutscenes are made in a movie stuido😭
@@qadi796yeah the best thing about the game is the character face models and fidelity of the cutscenes. They look like real people. Incredibly expressive. But that should be expected in 2024 with how far motion capture has come. The actual GAME content is so bland it feels like a mobile game at times
That’s weird since they spent tons of money on ads for it. So I’m told anyway.
@@qadi796 a lot of games nowadays care more about putting effort in the cutscenes than in the gameplay
@@joaovitor10yearsagoand story
omg suicide squad looks like from a perfectly optimized switch port
As a switch user, I can confirm this
Just imagine they'll port it
They ported all the Arkham games to switch. And I can confirm that even the switch port of Arkham Knight looks better than this...
They nerfed Harley Quinn’s ass
The Batman game is really 9 years more advanced and better made.
The fortnitification of gaming is real. Cheap and easy to make. I always have doubts when they got pastel colors and "random dopamine loot pinatas" for the lack of a better word.
Exactly what I was thinking. Terrible direction.
I love the term “random dopamine loot Piñatas” I’m going to start using that lol.
fortnitification is exactly the word i was looking for
Shit got the disney infinity graphics
bro i thought you said fornication...
Game released 9 years ago looks by far superior to a game released today by the same company.
"Same company" is a bit of a stretch. After replacing people over the years it's hardly the same studio, let alone the talented passionate team that made the Batman trilogy.
If you replace every part of a ship over time, is it 'the same ship'! Yes figuratively, but the crew is what truly makes a ship have heart and meaning, the same in this case.
Yes, that's the point of the video
arkham knight was the endgame of batman made by awesome people, suicide squad is a bit stale
Arkham knight had 4 years to finish
@@coatrak1357 almost a decade later and you'd imagine the graphics would be better, cope stop riding bruh
comparing a cinematic single player games graphics to a online 3rd person shooters graphics is strange, i cant name one multiplayer game that has graphics that rival single player level graphics, suicide squads graphics are really good, its just a game built for multiplayer, its not going to be possible for the same level of graphics and still have it run smooth.
this is what the fans of superhero franchises deserve.
like, honestly, have you read any comments under debate videos regarding superheroes?
It's like a cesspool. A deranged cesspool that attacks anything entering.
You deserve this game.
it's so strange how all of the dynamic range/contrast is drained resulting in a grey mist
Post-2010s cultural revolution left everything feeling grey, joyless, Soviet. Who could have guessed it would happen?
@qoph1988 yeah the impact of Gamergate beyond just video games in addition to a rise of fascism and ecological collapse being ignored is truly disturbing. a shitty video game is much more important than any of this though.
Noticing that in a lot of games lately, RE comes to mind first
Alan wake 2, the last of us part 1 and 2...
@@qoph1988Soviet art had great vibrant aesthetics, Western propaganda always made a point that the Soviet Union was all about style and lacked substance.
More people must realise that it's not how many pixels a game has that makes it look good, but rather the art and lighting. Those two are FAR more important and end up making the product look sooo much better for years to come.
the game look like PUBG Mobile with Suicide Squad event skin
This is why the older games looked so good
@@Dipj01[some] older games looked this good. Many didnt. And this isnt a fair comparison.
@@Dipj01Arkham Knight is a smaller game made run at 1080p 30 frames. Suicide Squad is a multiplayer game attempting to run at 4K, 60 frames per second.
The Matrix unleashed runs at 1080p 30 frames so extra horsepower was available. This generation, 60 frames per second framerate is prioritized so there is less extra horse power available to make games look much better.
However gamers boldly voted that they rather a focus on 60 frames even if minimal graphics improvements were the result.
Men of culture we gather here again in 2024.........
Batman is the true knight of the Law. It will never get better than this. No, it's not just because we're getting old, there is actual truth to that.
*Crowbcat impatiently rubbing hands*
Dartigan secretly playing this game to sin it to hell
The funny thing is it probably also doesn’t take much hardware to max out the graphics of the older games, and it has become more apparent that older games have superior graphics to optimisation ratios then today’s games. To design and create is one talent, to optimise is another.
Modern game devs have no talents, they are bugs
Modern corporate games are made in the same way as modern corporate websites. Multiple devs cobbling together packages without really understanding what they do or how they will perform.
I mean it's great that you can go no-code in unreal (for instance) and make a game but all that abstraction comes at a price and the low bar to entry means that it's likely you won't know what that price will be.
crazy and now you cant play games unless you spend thousands of dollars/euros and games look like THAT should be illegal.
The new game will be laggy asf on max while Batman is butter smooth while looking better
thats technically not true arkham knight did have a terrible pc port. but i see what u mean
Even the ambience is so much better 9 years ago
I remember when most game cared abt the shit they released. Now most game designers just release shit 😞😓😭
Harley's bubble butt in AK was stuff of dreams.
That’s how joker was able to bake a baby in her bakery
@@JesterofMayhem98Nigga Joker was going crazy in that shit. Must’ve been fun
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Yeah, apparently losing Joker affect her cake as well
Faxxxx
1:04 - Bro dropped a clean transition and thought we wouldn't notice 🔥💪🏾
I was about to comment the same.
How would we not notice??? You only don't notice it if you're looking away and have the video muted.
You can compliment an amazing transition without sounding stupid.
@@TheFirstCurse1r/whoosh
@@TheFirstCurse1wow you’re a bundle of joy aren’t you?
@@SURGEONAA2 I'm just calling out a needlessly stupid comment.