Hey mate just watched your review. Now a truck towing 60T of fuel is not heavier than its load. I've had 200 series, ram, patrol etc towed large boats and caravans. Now I had a van it weighed 3.9T empty. Un modified 200 series towed it easily and stable. But wanted to be compliant, brought a Ram and fuck me I was on the wrong side of the road trying to tow with this van. I now have a Mercedes, and I find it to be the best tow vehicle I've ever experienced. (ML 63) It blows my mind that I wasted so much money on the Japan cars and a second hand cheap Merc blows them all away.
The new Nissan patrol Y63 isn't coming with a 140L tank its around 96L off memory with rewatching the launch and fuel consumption advertised was around 10L per hundred. Sometimes it pays to get all the facts before putting out content
The 70 with an interior upgrade, coil conversion and rear axle correction is pretty much unbeatable... But should come with all that stock for the price.
If I can have my choice of one vehicle to do it all, it would be the 300 series. The 2.8 is just too small for towing. My second choice would be the new Prado.
The AUS NB1 Quartermaster Cab Chassis (base trim) Petrol has a kerb weight of 2,446kg & the Diesel has a kerb weight of 2,527kg both including 90% fuel tank full & all other fluids at the correct level. The total gross weight of both versions is 3,550kg Higher trim levels do have a higher kerb weight. E.g. Trialmaster with dual battery, tow pack, additional wiring, RAI, KO2 tyres, diff locks, smooth pack, all adds approx. 100kg. So with load capacity is 1,104 kg & 1,023 kg respectively with 81 litres of fuel. Most manufacturers either don't include the fuel or don't state if it does or not when they quote a kerb weight. So if you add a Norweld canopy & tray at 289 kg and the extras for Trialmaster spec at 100 kg that still leaves 700 kg & 625 kg respectively. Logic says you would add an extended fuel tank at the same time.
A Toyota fortuner would be a budget option with a few small mods, they can tick all the box’s. But a great insight vid, in how to look at purchasing the next rig for exploring. Keep up the great work
ram 1500 is 110k. a ram 2500 doesn't even cost anywhere near that at 170k and ram 3500 at 194k you also didn't state the tare weight of the 78 series 2395kg
One important question, how many dogs will you be taking with you? When you are discussing towing capability, you should also check the GCM as well as GVM.
On the towing segment: Having towed a 3.5 ton trailer (loaded to that weight) multiple times now with a Grenadier, I feel comfortable in saying it tows like a dream. I have had one moment where my trailer was behaving a bit sketchy, but that was on account myself doing a bad job at loading it, and the weight was way too far back, but there were three 750kg prefab concrete slabs on my trailer so I couldnt just move them forward a few centimeters.
@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing It definitely has a lot of luxurious features. But if the brochure says it can tow 3.5 ton, you can be damn sure Im going to pull 3.5 ton with it. And on the topic of luxury, arguably, Im stepping down. Since my previous car for towing was a Disco 4, which also pulls 3.5 ton but is a lot less forgiving due to its lower tongue weight rating (350kg vs 150kg)
Given how many i see parked at my local bunnings, your Ram pricing has to be WAY off. You can get a Z71 Silverado for sub $150k No way the Ram is over $200k
Am looking at purchasing a 4WD for touring purposes. The majority of the time touring will be spent in northern WA and central Australia during the dry season. I have driven a number of the vehicles you have commented on for testing purposes. Travel will be limited to two people, probably living out of the vehicle. I consistently come back to the 76 GXL for range and practicality i.e. repair, and if confronted by challenging terrain. Tyres will probably be 33's or remain stock.
Ay Ronny A consideration regarding payload weights is whatever is being towed, at least 10% of that weight lands on the towball and therefore contributes to reducing the available payload. So, if towing a 3t van there’s an extra (at least) 300kgs added to the vehicle weight.
The reason the payload is so low on the RAM is Australian license laws. In the US, the GVM and GVCM is way higher. In Australia, you need a truck license to drive them loaded up. Some people convert them to truck rego and get way more use out of them, but not many people have that license.
The pay load is not marked down in Australia all the American 150 size trucks have a low pay load that is why there are gvm upgrades available. The 250 class is certainly marked down to fit to the Australian ADR and licensing.
I like this channel and content but must admit i really do miss the "out bush" stuff. Far too much of this type of content now.. the ratio should be the other way round like it used to be.. lots of camping/4wding with a sprinkle of comparisons/testing/reviews/whatever.
I have had a deposit on 250 Prado since February. Needed to buy something and found a 2.8L 76 Workmate, which I bought last month. I too am keen to see how the Prado stacks up, but I am very happy I’ve not got the payload issues as I have a ~2800kg caravan. Absolutely loving the 4cyl 76 series. Will we see a V6 diesel in the 70 series down the track? I reckon we will. One day. Keen to see more on kitting out the 76 as a tow rig with some day trip ability.
After extensive research for a grey nomad multiple big laps use case, the best solution was an LC300 GXL with a pre rego Lovells 3800 gvm upgrade, which also increased the CGM as a bonus.
The term “fit for purpose” is a term used in fleet management. That term covers a range of requirements and also includes “whole of life costs” and “oppertunity cost” ie forgoing one oppertunity for another. So fuel economy maybe higher on your list than towing capacity. Or say 2 fuel tanks at90 litres each for overlanding rather than 80litres and jerry cans…
There seems a couple of mitakes in this video. The fuel consumption and tank size for the Y63 seem to be taken from the Y62 spec. The Dodge Ram starts at approximately $100k and goes up to $240k.
Ronny, go easy on all the AI images mate. They've certainly got their place, but very overdone here, especially when you're inaccurately portraying all the vehicles.. It's coming across as a bit rushed, clickbaity content. Some of your older stuff seemed a bit more genuine and thoughtful. Things like introducing the six vehicles you want to talk about first would also be a good idea. I don't mean to be critical, but thought you might appreciate the feedback. Cheers for the content nonetheless!
Going to chime in here also; really miss the older Ronny style, not the "SMASH, BOOM" popup graphics and bouncy/shifting text everywhere, and some AI stuff in this one. The channel occasionally looks like a late night TV ad, and not in a good way
I ended up with Grenadier is a great Vehicle in the mountains running over pass over 3000 meters plus love the space over Jeep and the new Bronco. I though you like to know the LC250 has smaller Petrol tank here only 67.75 litters in it hybrid config. Grenadier is 89.7, extra 10 to 20 liters would have been welcome.
Hi Roni I recently changed my 3 year old Dual Cab 79 V8 for a Dual cab 79 2.8ltr. I tow a 29ft 3500Kg 5th wheeler full time around Aust. Maybe because of the goose neck tow ball connection point over the rear axles the thing tows like a DREAM even though the car is lighter than the van. can you do a segment on how much better 5th wheeler s are to tow etc.
Case in India, just got a 2.8 Fortuner 4x4, Manual Transmission. 204 BHP 420nm. I believe the 2.8L is a potent engine. We don’t have the LC 250 or the Prado here in India. Only available is LC 300 ZX (misses on Front Lockers and KDSS ) I wish we had LC250 or LC 300 Sport or any other SUV mentioned on the video 😅
From a European view, we all love the 70 series, but struggle with supply, but it seems you need to chuck 10's of thousands at it to make it work, axle correction, seats, soundproofing, suspension. My Stock IG two seat van is the dogs, just swapped out the Bfgs for Cooper stt pros for UK mud. I work in forestry and fencing, and come from an oil exploration background. Best completely stock vehicle was the 2007 2.4 tdci defender. Sadly missed. Or older solid axle hilux. Are you doing any longer trips, I'd like to see you and Torbs do the Canning.
Good lineup of vehicles that would be on most peoples starting list to narrow down. I've owned a V8 76 series, and they are not a family car. I think the new 4 cyl would be good with some comfort suspension, interior upgrades, and sound deadening but still have the axle correction issue. I think that if considering a 76, a 250 series prado base model GX with GVM upgrade would be a more comfortable and cheaper option to a 76 series GXL with additions to make it comfy(ish). Keen to see what Y63 is like also, they are very roomy and fuel prob not that bad compared to 200/300 series, cheers.
in the U.S SAME 80 /40 series , LEXUS GX470 V8 aka prado also we have the 4runner my most wanted , no patrol sold new in the U.S. since 1969 , we do have the Y62 sold as the lame named armada . but like most wagons sold in the U.S a 3 row luxury family school bus . loaded with all the power luxury car bits
It would be great to compare off-road dual-cabs expensive to cheap, like GWM Cannon XSR, to Ram 1500 TRX, ford raptor, SILVERADO ZR2, Toyota HiLux Rogue, Nissan Navara SL Warrior. Which one is not only the best for off road but in terms of mods to be able to do extreme off roading.
Great info. Been out of the loop for a while and this has been great as I’m looking to buy a new 4wd soon. Prob go with the 300 series and upgrade the GVM.
New Patrol very interesting. My understanding is fuel around 12l per 100, tank is 140l, vehicle is longer and wider. Great space. Major interior upgrade. I like.
Ronny, get your facts straight Ram 1500 Bighorn $114k drive away Curb weight - 2519 kg GVM - 3450 kg Payload - 931kg Fuel tank - 98 Litres Consumption. - 12.2 L / 100 Range approx 800 km
RAV4 awd hybrid is all I need 😂 , tows a small trailer for odd jobs, zippy and quiet for around town (let’s face it where most of the cars you listed will be driving), and I can actually park it in an underground car park, range is 800km and rated for cheap 91 Ron fuel. Former 200 series owner and these are fantastic for the open road and Offroad but huge compromises everywhere else. Great list, but missing from your list would be the Lexus GX, prado with a nicer engine and interior
we had the nothing like a V8 gas hog , U.S. spec LC200 and lexus GX460/470 or prado , one should just get a 4RUNNER trd off road non premium , do like the GX 550 overtail [ non + model } if one needs a true low range in their wagon / s.u.v.
Ok your details are a bit off … video seems unpolished but I get the drift. Got a mate who works in the mines, his missus works in a well paid job, combined they can afford a decked out 300 I’d like a 70 series but it’s hard enough to pay off my sr Hilux I think your prices likely way low, except for the ram which is just wrong
Thanks for your efforts, Ronny very informative as usual. Personally, I'm looking to upgrade the Hilux GR Sport to the Cruiser 250/Prado. The GRS is a rocket if only they had that tune for the 2.8 in all variants. I've still got an old 60 series wagon over 600K on the clock (love it) it's done some serious tracks in the day. But now with my business I need a more refined vehicle for weekdays and a camper toe vehicle for weekends... Love the shape of the new Prado GVM upgrade a must do!
From the US: I was surprised about the RAM payload, range and especially price. It see the RAM 1500 as the lower price option here....but the payload and range! I have a 24 GMC 2500HD with pop up camper and filled with gear. I get about 640KM range with a 136L tank. Rides like a buckboard at times.
Where is the F150,250 and the Silverado? I just checked and found that a F150 2023 XLT SWB for $118,783 drive away (LWB is $119,833). A Lariat LWB version comes in at $154,648 drive away. All have 4.5 ton towing and are 3.5L V6 10 speed Auto. I wish they were manuals.
Mention payload and towing. Didn't mention ball weight which is included in payload. 80kg up to 250kg + on big vans. Also a GVM upgrade, if car is then loaded to that GVM, cuts down your tow weight unless you get a GCM upgrade which is very difficult post rego. Two big factors in a tow vehicle you "forgot" to mention.
Great video and a very fair comparison. I was going towards buying an Ineos which I think is a really capable vehicle. However, when I added comfort, wife and kids.. end up buying Landcruiser especially since it’s been on my wish for quite some time.
My input, the 70 series may be rated to carry that payload but put that weight in it and the arse is on the ground & the front axle as light as. Handling would be atroustious, bad enough unladen. Towing 3.5 tonme is just lethal.
I live next door to ford dealership in Port Augusta and the amount of Rangers brought in by truck is astonishing Please do not have a go at me for living in Port
@@jomonaghan1954 yeah those new ones have issues. Another company on site has a fleet of them and they are not much better than the Colorados from a few years back we are trying to get rid of from our fleet
I'm in this mix atm. Need to replace my Pajero & finding it hard to come to a decision. 300 or 250? Y62 or ineos? Used 200? All in that price range. Differences in range and payload are important for tourers. Has me thinking more strongly for the ineos but then why not just go for the 300 for pretty much same $$$. Difficult AF. And at the end of the day if you spend 100k you want a few luxuries and tech in the car for that sprt of money. And then you gotta take it down the track and commit to what that might entail.
Ronny I’m no expert but i believe the price you quoted for RAM is not correct, the picture you showed was a DS model which sold for 110 to 115k and the new model DT sells for around 120 to 150k
I wonder how would you rate US spec Land Cruiser 250? Engine - 2.4L 4cyl petrol turbo hybrid Petrol tank - (17.9gal) 67.75 liter fuel tank Fuel+Hybrid range - (23 mpg combined) 10.22 liters per 100kms Loan - (GVWR 6725lbs Curb - 5037.5lbs = 1693.5lbs) 768.15kgs
I thought the new Prado 250 has a 110 litre fuel tank. If so it would significantly alter the range ranking (currently own a 2023 Prado with dual tanks)
@@Car-crazy I have specs issued by Toyota Australia to my dealer. It lists 110l between two tanks, just like the 300 series. It better be right since I am committed 🙂
@@petero1 seems like the tank size is different for different countries. Seems a bit strange that, but maybe due to Australia being so big, they put a bigger fuel tank I suppose.
Hi Ronny. Awesome video and info. Whats you take on the ford everest v6. ive done some reading up and its stats is up there with the vehicles and its been designed in Oz
in the U.S. most wagons /s.u.v. are more of a 3 row luxury family school bus ,than utilitarian wagon to camp out of, sample = sequoia trd pro cargo space fold down 3rd row takes up all the cargo space , we cant have LC 300 or 70 series wagon and troopy van here , as for payload defender 110 , chevy tahoe almost 2000 lbs if one buys low spec basic model with out power fold tilt this and that luxury car bits = more payload and towing
If we are only putting these 6 on the table for my own choices, then I would only pick two. The two I would choose is the Y63 Patrol and the Grenadier. Why those two? Well let's start with the Patrol. Here in the states we do not call it a Patrol, but instead the Armada. I can tell you that it is a straight out Luxury Vehicle that can haul a family around town and on long trips as needed. Also here in the States(who knows about Down Under) it is being equipped with the VR Series Engine which was introduced in the Nissan GTR. It is a powerhouse with great reliability based off the VQ Series Engine. Of course you still need to do the maintenance or it will fail(and that applies to any vehicle you have). That said I would not bother taking it OffRoad. It tells me that it doesn't belong there. As for the Ineos Grenadier, I would have fun with that as a Tourer. I'm pretty sure anyone here would enjoy that simply for the classic look and the way it was designed. The review you have given so far makes that pretty cool to understand, but I'm not going out and buying one as I do enjoy my 2012 D40 Frontier. Why not a Ram? Because I have seen how much they are truly not worth. They are absolute garbage. Why not a Toyota? I have way too many reasons here, but let's just go off of the good old Toyota Tax!! Way too many individuals think I should over pay for something that does not get that great of fuel range(at least in the states) and definitely doesn't have the power. Also let's face it...... You pay how much for a 70 Series and get how much? I can't justify the price. It just doesn't make sense.
None of these cars here in oz are value anymore. Too much tech and are marketed for the dream, most spend their life in the town. The American cars are insanely priced as well. They have replaced the family wagon. I don’t see how the average person can afford them.
@@billmccarthy5920 look at any modern vehicle today any you will find a bunch of tech, you are correct about that. Here in the States the only truck I would consider buying new is the D41 Frontier. It's the only Truck that is still pretty basic even with all the tech that is on there. Everything else is just too much. Should I also mention that it's easy to work on and still priced well?
@@chrisfanchier2318 true. I personally just bought a low mileage (175km) 1992 GXL 80 series manual turbo diesel for $35k AUD. drives beautifuly and very easy to self maintain with virtually no electrics. I just can’t justify a new car but still do remote camping trips with the missus. Has no airbags or antilock brakes though.
LC 70 series wagon in AUZ $ with on road is $83964 = $57974U.S per Toyota auz web site for price with al fees and convert to U.S $ . a new sequoia TRD PRO its more 3 row luxury family school bus than a utility wagon why do I need a standard moon roof ? , now a $85k sequoia 1794 TRD OFF ROAD when one converts auz $ to U.S. $ we are paying LC 300 money before on road fees or tax and license
For me I would like in about 5 years a 250 prado or 2.8 70 series. For now though with my wife's mobility issues it will be a v8 diesel range rover with acces mode.
Hi... I'm wondering how you can have 10 liter for the Grenadier consumption? In 26000 km here is what I have with the diesel engine (from list of fuel bills): - On road 11.5, - Highway (130 km/h) 15, - Offroad: 15-20
Ronny were the hell do you get your figures from once again you can't believe any thing you say i can get a ram 1500 for $90 k drive away free service for three years rego and sales tax PAID stock drive away from Rockingham RAM. Why didn't you include the Silverado $110 Drive away carries 1100 kgs?
Love your work Rony. Particularly this episode. I’m purchasing a 2600 kg caravan. I’m ready to buy a 76 series - should I buy 2.8 or V8. I can’t decided between the unstressed V8 with good resale or the 2.8 that drives better. Thanks Andrew
I don’t know, but have friends that own a Ram and none of them did pay 140 to have it on the road. The big horn is 115k driveway. Now I will have to look for all the other cars price.
When such an “open ended” question gets asked , something exactly like this: the response , situation depending , should be and is usually the most unlikely one that a person would least expect. In this case , my answer would lean towards the Very Licensed and Very Legal Name .. with very Real make and model numbers if name doesn’t work. Toyota Hilux - Rugged . The collab with an Australian 4x4 riders company, offering customisation to 12 or 24v system, crawl modes , harness options if that’s a route you’d want to go. All factory warranted etc. couldn’t go wrong for price point , definitely shop around coz they do vary from shop to shop. But ultimately Ultra affordable.
where did you get 16.5lt/100 on the y63? seeing as they said was 100lt tank on launch. and y62 avg is 15.5lt/100 and y63 being 23% more economical? Just ofr some facts, 5 years of my latest y63 TiL my overall avg is 14.2lt/100. offroading, towing 3t boat, town driving and a few 5k km highway trips.
If you're actually going off road, the only option left these days is the 70 Series. Too much nonsense on the new trucks, you'll get stuck as soon as one of the sensors start to panic. The 70, and maybe the Jimny are the only proper off roaders left... the market knows it too, look at their used prices, even Jimny's are absurdly overpriced... at least in NZ.
I have yet to find any of my 4 friends who have the LC300 who get 8.9l per hundred the most reported is 12.5l per hundred which is not bad at all but certainly large compared to the figure you have used.
I spend 99.9% of the time on the road. I think if I was going to do something really challenging I would get something old that wouldn’t bother me if it broke.
I think I'll stick with my V8 for now, long term or next vehicle, unless my aspirations change dramatically or there are deficiencies surface with the 2.8 70's I'll probably go that away? Thank you for the well balanced and well researched video, informative as always
@BatmanRZ is correct. Like the 300 series, uses the same TNGA platform, that’s how they get the same tank size as the 300 series. Co op toyota confirms this tank amount.
I just took delivery of my first 300. It’s good but a bit underwhelmed. It’s a boring drive but the fuel consumption is around 10.3. Not bad for it. I’d have got a ram except it wouldn’t fit in the garage! Steve 🇦🇺
Hey mate just watched your review. Now a truck towing 60T of fuel is not heavier than its load. I've had 200 series, ram, patrol etc towed large boats and caravans. Now I had a van it weighed 3.9T empty. Un modified 200 series towed it easily and stable. But wanted to be compliant, brought a Ram and fuck me I was on the wrong side of the road trying to tow with this van. I now have a Mercedes, and I find it to be the best tow vehicle I've ever experienced. (ML 63) It blows my mind that I wasted so much money on the Japan cars and a second hand cheap Merc blows them all away.
The new Nissan patrol Y63 isn't coming with a 140L tank its around 96L off memory with rewatching the launch and fuel consumption advertised was around 10L per hundred. Sometimes it pays to get all the facts before putting out content
There’s no way the Y63 will use 16L. A Y62 doesn’t use that.
The 70 with an interior upgrade, coil conversion and rear axle correction is pretty much unbeatable... But should come with all that stock for the price.
If I can have my choice of one vehicle to do it all, it would be the 300 series. The 2.8 is just too small for towing. My second choice would be the new Prado.
The AUS NB1 Quartermaster Cab Chassis (base trim) Petrol has a kerb weight of 2,446kg & the Diesel has a kerb weight of 2,527kg both including 90% fuel tank full & all other fluids at the correct level.
The total gross weight of both versions is 3,550kg
Higher trim levels do have a higher kerb weight. E.g. Trialmaster with dual battery, tow pack, additional wiring, RAI, KO2 tyres, diff locks, smooth pack, all adds approx. 100kg.
So with load capacity is 1,104 kg & 1,023 kg respectively with 81 litres of fuel. Most manufacturers either don't include the fuel or don't state if it does or not when they quote a kerb weight.
So if you add a Norweld canopy & tray at 289 kg and the extras for Trialmaster spec at 100 kg that still leaves 700 kg & 625 kg respectively. Logic says you would add an extended fuel tank at the same time.
RAM 1500 Big Horn is $110k drive away. Where are you getting $230k from?
That’s the price of the discontinued TRX, which is in another league.
TRX RAM vs GXL Landcruiser. Talk about comparing apples and oranges.....
I assume he saw the RAM 3500, which is about that price. Also saw on carsales RAM 2500 brand new for 240k
Plucked it from thin air i think
the Big Horn has a high GVM and GCM
All new cars suck - ruined by emissions targets, too much tech and too many beeps
emission crap can removed by a mechanic, guessing the same with all the beeps
Terry, You nailed it.
@@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing Not legally
@maverick2242 nothing is legal, most cars with luggage, passangers and downball weight of a trailer is over its GVM
This is why the Jimmy is the only good new car
Ronny, I think you are quoting a Ram TRX. There are Ram Tradesman in the $90 K range and you left out Ram 2500 as an option.
A Toyota fortuner would be a budget option with a few small mods, they can tick all the box’s.
But a great insight vid, in how to look at purchasing the next rig for exploring.
Keep up the great work
At the end just buy what 4wd that makes you happy
If it doesn't meet your needs, you'll not going to be happy
@@hi9580 why would you buy one that doesn't meet your needs? Surely nobody is that dumb
ram 1500 is 110k. a ram 2500 doesn't even cost anywhere near that at 170k and ram 3500 at 194k
you also didn't state the tare weight of the 78 series 2395kg
Those prices on the RAM . Is that is U.S. dollars ?
@@johncunningham4820 australian dollars
One important question, how many dogs will you be taking with you? When you are discussing towing capability, you should also check the GCM as well as GVM.
On the towing segment:
Having towed a 3.5 ton trailer (loaded to that weight) multiple times now with a Grenadier, I feel comfortable in saying it tows like a dream.
I have had one moment where my trailer was behaving a bit sketchy, but that was on account myself doing a bad job at loading it, and the weight was way too far back, but there were three 750kg prefab concrete slabs on my trailer so I couldnt just move them forward a few centimeters.
@casper6800 the grenadier looks like a luxury car in person
@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing It definitely has a lot of luxurious features. But if the brochure says it can tow 3.5 ton, you can be damn sure Im going to pull 3.5 ton with it.
And on the topic of luxury, arguably, Im stepping down.
Since my previous car for towing was a Disco 4, which also pulls 3.5 ton but is a lot less forgiving due to its lower tongue weight rating (350kg vs 150kg)
Given how many i see parked at my local bunnings, your Ram pricing has to be WAY off. You can get a Z71 Silverado for sub $150k
No way the Ram is over $200k
Wow, bargain
Am looking at purchasing a 4WD for touring purposes. The majority of the time touring will be spent in northern WA and central Australia during the dry season. I have driven a number of the vehicles you have commented on for testing purposes. Travel will be limited to two people, probably living out of the vehicle. I consistently come back to the 76 GXL for range and practicality i.e. repair, and if confronted by challenging terrain. Tyres will probably be 33's or remain stock.
Stick to a Toyota.
Parts are plentiful if needed.
You don’t see mining companies using a Dodge Ram for example
Ram 1500 isn’t $230k. Ram 2500’s brand new are $175k. They have a towing capacity of 4.5 tonne, gvm 4495 and kerb is 3600
The 1500 model referenced in the video retails in Australia for $249,950
The Ram 1500 model referenced is $249,950 aud
$95k-$130k driveaway
Not Ronnie’s best video. Loads of factual errors.
that's a derated 2500 for car license, ram 2500 can tow 8 tonne
Ay Ronny
A consideration regarding payload weights is whatever is being towed, at least 10% of that weight lands on the towball and therefore contributes to reducing the available payload. So, if towing a 3t van there’s an extra (at least) 300kgs added to the vehicle weight.
The reason the payload is so low on the RAM is Australian license laws. In the US, the GVM and GVCM is way higher. In Australia, you need a truck license to drive them loaded up. Some people convert them to truck rego and get way more use out of them, but not many people have that license.
The pay load is not marked down in Australia all the American 150 size trucks have a low pay load that is why there are gvm upgrades available.
The 250 class is certainly marked down to fit to the Australian ADR and licensing.
I like this channel and content but must admit i really do miss the "out bush" stuff.
Far too much of this type of content now.. the ratio should be the other way round like it used to be.. lots of camping/4wding with a sprinkle of comparisons/testing/reviews/whatever.
They sell new ram big horn for $110k driveaway here in Melbourne.
whats with all the AI generated images?!
They look very odd. Aren't there enough real pictures of these vehicles?
One of them showed a Nissan "Patroo" 😂😂😂
I have had a deposit on 250 Prado since February. Needed to buy something and found a 2.8L 76 Workmate, which I bought last month. I too am keen to see how the Prado stacks up, but I am very happy I’ve not got the payload issues as I have a ~2800kg caravan. Absolutely loving the 4cyl 76 series.
Will we see a V6 diesel in the 70 series down the track? I reckon we will. One day.
Keen to see more on kitting out the 76 as a tow rig with some day trip ability.
After extensive research for a grey nomad multiple big laps use case, the best solution was an LC300 GXL with a pre rego Lovells 3800 gvm upgrade, which also increased the CGM as a bonus.
I agree got my 250 a few weeks ago I love it so far
The term “fit for purpose” is a term used in fleet management. That term covers a range of requirements and also includes “whole of life costs” and “oppertunity cost” ie forgoing one oppertunity for another. So fuel economy maybe higher on your list than towing capacity. Or say 2 fuel tanks at90 litres each for overlanding rather than 80litres and jerry cans…
And i will continue to promote toyota for the duration of my contract
There seems a couple of mitakes in this video. The fuel consumption and tank size for the Y63 seem to be taken from the Y62 spec. The Dodge Ram starts at approximately $100k and goes up to $240k.
Ronny, go easy on all the AI images mate. They've certainly got their place, but very overdone here, especially when you're inaccurately portraying all the vehicles.. It's coming across as a bit rushed, clickbaity content. Some of your older stuff seemed a bit more genuine and thoughtful. Things like introducing the six vehicles you want to talk about first would also be a good idea. I don't mean to be critical, but thought you might appreciate the feedback. Cheers for the content nonetheless!
Going to chime in here also; really miss the older Ronny style, not the "SMASH, BOOM" popup graphics and bouncy/shifting text everywhere, and some AI stuff in this one. The channel occasionally looks like a late night TV ad, and not in a good way
Did I just see an 18 min Toyota add??
It's a Ronny Dahl video... There will never be another winner 😂 he's pushing hard on the 2.8 70 series, he's all in on it now
Just a touch bias
if he opens up his accounting for the financial year you'll see 60k from toyota
Toyota...... When only the best will do!
Toyotas sell themselves mate.
I ended up with Grenadier is a great Vehicle in the mountains running over pass over 3000 meters plus love the space over Jeep and the new Bronco. I though you like to know the LC250 has smaller Petrol tank here only 67.75 litters in it hybrid config. Grenadier is 89.7, extra 10 to 20 liters would have been welcome.
Just checked on car sales (03/11/2024) 2024 Ram 1500 drive away price $144,000 where do you get $230,000 from?????
Hi Roni
I recently changed my 3 year old Dual Cab 79 V8 for a Dual cab 79 2.8ltr.
I tow a 29ft 3500Kg 5th wheeler full time around Aust.
Maybe because of the goose neck tow ball connection point over the rear axles the thing tows like a DREAM even though the car is lighter than the van. can you do a segment on how much better 5th wheeler s are to tow etc.
Case in India, just got a 2.8 Fortuner 4x4, Manual Transmission. 204 BHP 420nm. I believe the 2.8L is a potent engine. We don’t have the LC 250 or the Prado here in India. Only available is LC 300 ZX (misses on Front Lockers and KDSS )
I wish we had LC250 or LC 300 Sport or any other SUV mentioned on the video 😅
Recently ordered a GXL LC 76 85K drive away. It was the load carrying capacity that swayed me to the 70 series and not a Prado.
Most wanted 4WD and Wrangler or Defender is not even there ??
Also what is RAM doing there ? It's a truck, not SUV.
From a European view, we all love the 70 series, but struggle with supply, but it seems you need to chuck 10's of thousands at it to make it work, axle correction, seats, soundproofing, suspension. My Stock IG two seat van is the dogs, just swapped out the Bfgs for Cooper stt pros for UK mud. I work in forestry and fencing, and come from an oil exploration background. Best completely stock vehicle was the 2007 2.4 tdci defender. Sadly missed. Or older solid axle hilux. Are you doing any longer trips, I'd like to see you and Torbs do the Canning.
Good lineup of vehicles that would be on most peoples starting list to narrow down. I've owned a V8 76 series, and they are not a family car. I think the new 4 cyl would be good with some comfort suspension, interior upgrades, and sound deadening but still have the axle correction issue. I think that if considering a 76, a 250 series prado base model GX with GVM upgrade would be a more comfortable and cheaper option to a 76 series GXL with additions to make it comfy(ish). Keen to see what Y63 is like also, they are very roomy and fuel prob not that bad compared to 200/300 series, cheers.
I drive a 1992 Range Rover 4.6 gasoline V8 . Not your type of vehicle but I love it .
The most wanted are 80/105 series, 40 series, Prado, & GQ/GU
in the U.S SAME 80 /40 series , LEXUS GX470 V8 aka prado also we have the 4runner my most wanted , no patrol sold new in the U.S. since 1969 , we do have the Y62 sold as the lame named armada . but like most wagons sold in the U.S a 3 row luxury family school bus . loaded with all the power luxury car bits
It would be great to compare off-road dual-cabs expensive to cheap, like GWM Cannon XSR, to Ram 1500 TRX, ford raptor, SILVERADO ZR2, Toyota HiLux Rogue, Nissan Navara SL Warrior. Which one is not only the best for off road but in terms of mods to be able to do extreme off roading.
Great info. Been out of the loop for a while and this has been great as I’m looking to buy a new 4wd soon. Prob go with the 300 series and upgrade the GVM.
New Patrol very interesting. My understanding is fuel around 12l per 100, tank is 140l, vehicle is longer and wider. Great space. Major interior upgrade. I like.
Toyota south Africa lists the 250 prado as having a 110L fuel tank. Make sense as it runs the same chassis as the 300
It’s 110L here in Aus as well. The GX550 Lexus is only 80odd though.
Ronny, get your facts straight
Ram 1500 Bighorn
$114k drive away
Curb weight - 2519 kg
GVM - 3450 kg
Payload - 931kg
Fuel tank - 98 Litres
Consumption. - 12.2 L / 100
Range approx 800 km
RAV4 awd hybrid is all I need 😂 , tows a small trailer for odd jobs, zippy and quiet for around town (let’s face it where most of the cars you listed will be driving), and I can actually park it in an underground car park, range is 800km and rated for cheap 91 Ron fuel. Former 200 series owner and these are fantastic for the open road and Offroad but huge compromises everywhere else. Great list, but missing from your list would be the Lexus GX, prado with a nicer engine and interior
we had the nothing like a V8 gas hog , U.S. spec LC200 and lexus GX460/470 or prado , one should just get a 4RUNNER trd off road non premium , do like the GX 550 overtail [ non + model } if one needs a true low range in their wagon / s.u.v.
Ok your details are a bit off … video seems unpolished but I get the drift.
Got a mate who works in the mines, his missus works in a well paid job, combined they can afford a decked out 300
I’d like a 70 series but it’s hard enough to pay off my sr Hilux
I think your prices likely way low, except for the ram which is just wrong
Hey mate. I have the GX 300 and the load is 785 which puts it in 2nd place!!!!
Thanks for your efforts, Ronny very informative as usual. Personally, I'm looking to upgrade the Hilux GR Sport to the Cruiser 250/Prado. The GRS is a rocket if only they had that tune for the 2.8 in all variants. I've still got an old 60 series wagon over 600K on the clock (love it) it's done some serious tracks in the day. But now with my business I need a more refined vehicle for weekdays and a camper toe vehicle for weekends... Love the shape of the new Prado GVM upgrade a must do!
I think you might be pricing the RAM Trx Ronny. And the tow rate is more like 4.5t. Which changes its performance stats as well
I had a 2005 1hz toyota landcruiser 105 series and loved it. Looked at a 79 series, but for the money. I ordered a V6 Ford Ranger platinum.
I think Ronny has been using too much chat GPT
From the US: I was surprised about the RAM payload, range and especially price. It see the RAM 1500 as the lower price option here....but the payload and range! I have a 24 GMC 2500HD with pop up camper and filled with gear. I get about 640KM range with a 136L tank. Rides like a buckboard at times.
Where is the F150,250 and the Silverado? I just checked and found that a F150 2023 XLT SWB for $118,783 drive away (LWB is $119,833). A Lariat LWB version comes in at $154,648 drive away. All have 4.5 ton towing and are 3.5L V6 10 speed Auto. I wish they were manuals.
Why would you want a manual transmission in a American truck? The 10 speed auto is great and leave a manual well behind.
Mention payload and towing. Didn't mention ball weight which is included in payload. 80kg up to 250kg + on big vans. Also a GVM upgrade, if car is then loaded to that GVM, cuts down your tow weight unless you get a GCM upgrade which is very difficult post rego. Two big factors in a tow vehicle you "forgot" to mention.
The 250 Prado has two fuel tanks , 110 litres , so its range is higher than in the video
Would have liked to have seen ford everest and mitsubishi pajero.
Thank you for the video. So what 4WD should I buy ?
Can you do a video on wagons vs utes for long distance off grid trips? Particularly smaller cargo space wagons like the Jeep JL vs a pickup
Great video and a very fair comparison. I was going towards buying an Ineos which I think is a really capable vehicle. However, when I added comfort, wife and kids.. end up buying Landcruiser especially since it’s been on my wish for quite some time.
My input, the 70 series may be rated to carry that payload but put that weight in it and the arse is on the ground & the front axle as light as.
Handling would be atroustious, bad enough unladen.
Towing 3.5 tonme is just lethal.
A tow truck driver was telling me he has had a lot of Rams broken down and I wouldn't say there are that many on the road...
I drive a tilt tray and have more landcruisers than rams on it.
@@craigpeacock5352 yeah when you have 18000 rams compared to 1 million LandCruisers statistically you should get a few more
I live next door to ford dealership in Port Augusta and the amount of Rangers brought in by truck is astonishing
Please do not have a go at me for living in Port
@@jomonaghan1954 yeah those new ones have issues. Another company on site has a fleet of them and they are not much better than the Colorados from a few years back we are trying to get rid of from our fleet
No pick ups! 1) Hilux. 2) Prado 250.
No brainer.
I'm in this mix atm. Need to replace my Pajero & finding it hard to come to a decision. 300 or 250? Y62 or ineos? Used 200? All in that price range. Differences in range and payload are important for tourers. Has me thinking more strongly for the ineos but then why not just go for the 300 for pretty much same $$$. Difficult AF. And at the end of the day if you spend 100k you want a few luxuries and tech in the car for that sprt of money. And then you gotta take it down the track and commit to what that might entail.
Keep the Pajero, save your money
@@trippingaround5675 V8 diesel Q7, 27k
New Patrol is 97L tank, making room for future hybrid drive train likely.
Ronny I’m no expert but i believe the price you quoted for RAM is not correct, the picture you showed was a DS model which sold for 110 to 115k and the new model DT sells for around 120 to 150k
You can get a ram certified as a light truck and up the gvm and gcm with a truck license
Genadier or Prado for me, but for now my 100 Series GXL (kitted for touring while towing a 1.1t camp trailer) remains bloody hard to beat IMO.
Every time I watch your channel I thank god for my 99 XJ.
I wonder how would you rate US spec Land Cruiser 250?
Engine - 2.4L 4cyl petrol turbo hybrid
Petrol tank - (17.9gal) 67.75 liter fuel tank
Fuel+Hybrid range - (23 mpg combined) 10.22 liters per 100kms
Loan - (GVWR 6725lbs Curb - 5037.5lbs = 1693.5lbs) 768.15kgs
I thought the new Prado 250 has a 110 litre fuel tank. If so it would significantly alter the range ranking (currently own a 2023 Prado with dual tanks)
it does. Ronny got this one wrong.
@petero1 Actually it doesn't it actually only has an 80L fuel tank. I checked on Toyota's website here in Japan.
@@Car-crazy I have specs issued by Toyota Australia to my dealer. It lists 110l between two tanks, just like the 300 series. It better be right since I am committed 🙂
@@petero1 seems like the tank size is different for different countries. Seems a bit strange that, but maybe due to Australia being so big, they put a bigger fuel tank I suppose.
Hi Ronny. Awesome video and info. Whats you take on the ford everest v6. ive done some reading up and its stats is up there with the vehicles and its been designed in Oz
in the U.S. most wagons /s.u.v. are more of a 3 row luxury family school bus ,than utilitarian wagon to camp out of, sample = sequoia trd pro cargo space fold down 3rd row takes up all the cargo space , we cant have LC 300 or 70 series wagon and troopy van here , as for payload defender 110 , chevy tahoe almost 2000 lbs if one buys low spec basic model with out power fold tilt this and that luxury car bits = more payload and towing
If we are only putting these 6 on the table for my own choices, then I would only pick two. The two I would choose is the Y63 Patrol and the Grenadier. Why those two? Well let's start with the Patrol. Here in the states we do not call it a Patrol, but instead the Armada. I can tell you that it is a straight out Luxury Vehicle that can haul a family around town and on long trips as needed. Also here in the States(who knows about Down Under) it is being equipped with the VR Series Engine which was introduced in the Nissan GTR. It is a powerhouse with great reliability based off the VQ Series Engine. Of course you still need to do the maintenance or it will fail(and that applies to any vehicle you have). That said I would not bother taking it OffRoad. It tells me that it doesn't belong there.
As for the Ineos Grenadier, I would have fun with that as a Tourer. I'm pretty sure anyone here would enjoy that simply for the classic look and the way it was designed. The review you have given so far makes that pretty cool to understand, but I'm not going out and buying one as I do enjoy my 2012 D40 Frontier.
Why not a Ram? Because I have seen how much they are truly not worth. They are absolute garbage.
Why not a Toyota? I have way too many reasons here, but let's just go off of the good old Toyota Tax!! Way too many individuals think I should over pay for something that does not get that great of fuel range(at least in the states) and definitely doesn't have the power. Also let's face it...... You pay how much for a 70 Series and get how much? I can't justify the price. It just doesn't make sense.
None of these cars here in oz are value anymore. Too much tech and are marketed for the dream, most spend their life in the town. The American cars are insanely priced as well.
They have replaced the family wagon. I don’t see how the average person can afford them.
@@billmccarthy5920 look at any modern vehicle today any you will find a bunch of tech, you are correct about that. Here in the States the only truck I would consider buying new is the D41 Frontier. It's the only Truck that is still pretty basic even with all the tech that is on there. Everything else is just too much. Should I also mention that it's easy to work on and still priced well?
@@chrisfanchier2318 true. I personally just bought a low mileage (175km) 1992 GXL 80 series manual turbo diesel for $35k AUD. drives beautifuly and very easy to self maintain with virtually no electrics. I just can’t justify a new car but still do remote camping trips with the missus. Has no airbags or antilock brakes though.
LC 70 series wagon in AUZ $ with on road is $83964 = $57974U.S per Toyota auz web site for price with al fees and convert to U.S $ . a new sequoia TRD PRO its more 3 row luxury family school bus than a utility wagon why do I need a standard moon roof ? , now a $85k sequoia 1794 TRD OFF ROAD when one converts auz $ to U.S. $ we are paying LC 300 money before on road fees or tax and license
For me I would like in about 5 years a 250 prado or 2.8 70 series.
For now though with my wife's mobility issues it will be a v8 diesel range rover with acces mode.
Love my Grenadier! Fits all the requirements of modern family life, touring, and off-road 🤙
Stock FJ Cruiser tank was 159L from 2013 models onward.
My 2012 Prado ZR has 3 Tonne Towing Cap, but I dont know anyone who has a trailer that heavy to try out.
Hi... I'm wondering how you can have 10 liter for the Grenadier consumption?
In 26000 km here is what I have with the diesel engine (from list of fuel bills):
- On road 11.5,
- Highway (130 km/h) 15,
- Offroad: 15-20
Ronny were the hell do you get your figures from once again you can't believe any thing you say i can get a ram 1500 for $90 k drive away free service for three years rego and sales tax PAID stock drive away from Rockingham RAM. Why didn't you include the Silverado $110 Drive away carries 1100 kgs?
2 year waiting list for the Prado Altitude so had to buy GX 550. Toyota need to get their act together when servicing the Australian market
Spot-on-assessement-Ronny!
Love your work Rony. Particularly this episode. I’m purchasing a 2600 kg caravan. I’m ready to buy a 76 series - should I buy 2.8 or V8. I can’t decided between the unstressed V8 with good resale or the 2.8 that drives better. Thanks Andrew
@@andrewmcgavin5253 V6 diesel ranger/amarok
Do this for used cars and also include FJ cruser, 100 series and Y61 patrol
Good info thanks, price wise and as allrounder = would be the prado 250 for me
I don’t know, but have friends that own a Ram and none of them did pay 140 to have it on the road. The big horn is 115k driveway. Now I will have to look for all the other cars price.
When such an “open ended” question gets asked , something exactly like this: the response , situation depending , should be and is usually the most unlikely one that a person would least expect.
In this case , my answer would lean towards the Very Licensed and Very Legal Name .. with very Real make and model numbers if name doesn’t work.
Toyota Hilux - Rugged . The collab with an Australian 4x4 riders company, offering customisation to 12 or 24v system, crawl modes , harness options if that’s a route you’d want to go. All factory warranted etc. couldn’t go wrong for price point , definitely shop around coz they do vary from shop to shop. But ultimately Ultra affordable.
Old is the new new.
Ram is 230000 if it's the trx, it's price is 90-120
where did you get 16.5lt/100 on the y63? seeing as they said was 100lt tank on launch. and y62 avg is 15.5lt/100 and y63 being 23% more economical? Just ofr some facts, 5 years of my latest y63 TiL my overall avg is 14.2lt/100. offroading, towing 3t boat, town driving and a few 5k km highway trips.
What kind of tariffs and taxes do they have on the Ram. Even converting the Australian currency to US that’s a crazy price for a Ram.
I heard it's a lot but even the prices he listed for the other Japanese vehicles theirs is cheaper
95k to 150k drive away. Don't know where he gets his figures from.
Right hand drive cost?
They get converted to right hand drive and imported by a third party. That always drives prices way up.
If you're actually going off road, the only option left these days is the 70 Series. Too much nonsense on the new trucks, you'll get stuck as soon as one of the sensors start to panic. The 70, and maybe the Jimny are the only proper off roaders left... the market knows it too, look at their used prices, even Jimny's are absurdly overpriced... at least in NZ.
I have yet to find any of my 4 friends who have the LC300 who get 8.9l per hundred the most reported is 12.5l per hundred which is not bad at all but certainly large compared to the figure you have used.
I spend 99.9% of the time on the road. I think if I was going to do something really challenging I would get something old that wouldn’t bother me if it broke.
What was the yellow container on the Grenadire? Was it a fuel tank? If so, where did you get it from??? TIA.
I think I'll stick with my V8 for now, long term or next vehicle, unless my aspirations change dramatically or there are deficiencies surface with the 2.8 70's I'll probably go that away? Thank you for the well balanced and well researched video, informative as always
250 Prado has 110l tank dude
How do get the 110L fuel tank on a 2024 250 Prado? We only get the 67L?
@BatmanRZ is correct. Like the 300 series, uses the same TNGA platform, that’s how they get the same tank size as the 300 series. Co op toyota confirms this tank amount.
Thank-you for the video. Off-road performance would also be a useful metric... on a 4wd specialist channel 😉
Ram 1500 is $95k to $130k brand new drive away. I think you've priced a 2500
I just took delivery of my first 300. It’s good but a bit underwhelmed. It’s a boring drive but the fuel consumption is around 10.3. Not bad for it. I’d have got a ram except it wouldn’t fit in the garage! Steve 🇦🇺
Next time, test drive a new defender. I guarantee you will be impressed
Ineos. Seems to be best choice.